Thank you for supporting Ludicrous Feed! *NB The physical 'head up display' I refer to in the Atto 3 is called a 'binnacle'. There is no projected HUD in the Atto 3
Thanks Tom and Joy for your insights, I agree if you live in a major city and you have access to a wall charger then all three vehicles are fit for purpose. If you carry a lot of gear need roof racks or tow then Y and Atto are good choices, if you require better ground clearance then Y and Atto are great choices if you want best efficiency with sports car acceleration and handling then model 3 is king. Don’t get hung up on Tesla charging system once you travel regionally you’ll be lining up with everyone else for unreliable regional fast DC charging systems. No fast or super chargers north of Sunshine Coast here in Qld. However if you have to bail to AC charging your Tesla will charge quicker than any Atto for sure. For most of us who do the occasional road trip I guess it boils down to how much money do you really want to invest in driving the kids around and doing the shopping. I reckon service goes to Tesla and warranty goes to Atto. Resale probably Tesla 😁👍
My advise from America and a M3 owner. Buying a non-Tesla for home/city use is just fine. You will mostly charge from home and when your in the city you might out of convenience use a local charger. If that charger fails no worries because your close to home. Most people do one maybe two road trips a year. So buy the car that really fits your needs in your day to day life not so much for those one or two trips you might do in a year. If in your life you make trips out of town to a set location say like family, look to see what chargers are on route, how many per location and history of reliability for that network before buying a non-Tesla. Don't get sucked into buying a car just because it is electric. The market is maturing so buy a electric car that drives right for you and fits your needs. If it is not on the market yet then hold off instead of pushing a bad choice. My country's third party networks are really bad here in the States and I'm not even going into dealer price gouging. I bought my base M3 because of the LFP, direct sales (no stress) and Super Charger network. Even just doing a day trip to the next city/town up the motorway/highway for lunch or shopping it gives me piece of mind that nearby is a Super Charger to top up on the return trip. Can your Tesla's charge on third party networks with an adapter like we have in the States? If you do that is a game changer for Tesla and a buying point to have access to all networks.
Thanks Robert and I would reiterate that same advice. We’ve done a 890km Sydney to Melbourne road trip in the BYD and like it is in the US, Australia’s non-Tesla DC charger network leaves a lot to be desired currently. Hopefully things improve for all of us in this decade 🙏 PS yes, Model 3/Y can use (most) third party networks without an adaptor in Australia
@Andrew Palozzo When I bought my M3 it was just a tool for me and my family. I needed the super charger network. My fall back was resale value if I didn't like the car. I am happy to say that as just a car the driving dynamic is the best car I have ever own. The control I have over the car makes me feel safe at any speed and I just have the base model. Try and test drive a car and evaluate it as a car, ignore the software. I can guarantee you that she will sell you first on her dynamics. Good luck
Between 28th December and January 9th we took our Atto 3 all the way to Mackay stopping in Brisbane and Bundaberg on the way. On the way there and back found that the combination of QESH in QLD and Evie/Chargefox in NSW was more than enough to cover us for our trip 🎉
@@GuniBulls Space is huge in the MY and the almost 50% faster at home charging on the MY may be important. The extra speed, space and lower charging time plus Tesla supercharger network are why I'm very happy with our MY purchase... plus the potential for FSD in the hopefully not too distant future.
Very good review . You have never commented on panel fit and gaps and also paint quality. The BYD Atto 3 here is the clear winner on quality control but I suppose it is early days of production.
Interesting perception of the boot space of the M3 as its rated 425L front+back while Atto3 is rated 440L but it fits more? Upon my research into whether to get a MY or an Atto3 I've found the MY seems to be a tier higher than the Atto3 in build quality, size and performance. What i didn't like is the hard suspension. We usually use our car as a shopping cart not doing road trips the Atto3 fits our needs more than adequately, especially it's smaller and easier to fit in parking spaces for inner city living.
Our first EV is gonna be an ATTO. We were considering a KIA Sportage or Seltos but for the trim we wanted n the price we decided it was time to give it a go. Still waiting for it to be delivered. The Chinese EVs are essential to make it more affordable for the average person, not everyone can stump up $50-70k for a vehicle. Though more investment in EV infrastructure is definitely needed esp rural areas. Australia is such a big country. An Atto could also be a good choice as a 2nd EV as well.
Great points. Indeed the Kia Sportage is similar in size, I posted a photo with it parked next to the Atto 3 and the size is comparable. Agreed that EVs from China will make it affordable to many.
@@LudicrousFeed we have a long way to go for mainstream EV adoption. A lot of other things to to consider: - end of life - Battery recycling - how the grid will cope as EVs are adopted - the adherrant limitations of charging for those in say apartment blocks, on street parking only properties etc - proper legislation in place - things like that Vic EV road tax received a lot of backlash. - instead of a subsidy why not put that into more infrastructure. Would be good to see more EV chargers at major service stations. Reliability as well, how to improve that.
@@DannChewie good points. Hey Tom, there is a massive apartment development happening now at Eastgardens. Can you find out or do a video if Meriton is implementing EV charging for all property owners and if they’re providing enough off-street parking for residents and visitors? This is the time to ask as it’s being built. Cheers. 👍
Hey Tom & Joy I have Model 3 LR delivered 23 Dec 2022 & loving it. On delivery I noticed a chip in the front bumper, booked a service straight away & had the bumper respirated in 4 day. Very impressed. As I had a loan M3 RWD it was interesting to note the differences. Audio system has no bass compared to premium systems but still OK. Had the power reduced a couple of times due to wheel slip which I haven’t experienced in AWD LR. Acceleration is no where as fast but acceptable but regen is reduced I guess as there’s only 1 motor recharging the batteries & I noticed the front dips during regen not noticed in the AWD. Not a fan of white, mine is black but overall the RWD did feel a cheaper car.
How bad was the chip that they had to respray the whole bumper.?.. real nice of Tesla to do that as I had a miniscule chip in my 2019 white bumper .. but never pursued it
Great to see a comparison between the Atto 3 and the model 3/Y. The comparison is completely justified, but it’s a reflection of where we are at presently because the reason these are being compared is simply because they’re EVs. It’s unusual in the ICE market to see comparisons between cars with such a price variance.
Great comparison. Have been considering MY vs Atto 3 and test driven both. Some considerations not mentioned: - MY 40/20/40 split folding rear seats. This is quite important to me. Especially with baby seats in both rear seats and the desire to put something longer through the middle. - for people who care for audio, the sound system on the MY is way better - Atto 3 comes with portable granny charger for free Subjectively: - check seat comfort in both depending on body type - exterior aesthetic, I think the MY is not a nice looking car
The only time you will see a big difference is when you are in an accident. I personally am very interested in collision tests for the BYD. In real life Testa proved that they made very safe cars, strong, light but very expensive to repair after you get into an accident.
I was surprised the Atto 3 is a similar size to the model Y. I had a look at both and the model Y felt much bigger inside. Anyway, even though I do not like the blingish interior of the Atto 3 they have done a great job of producing a well priced product.
@@LudicrousFeed FYI. I checked the cargo space and it is a lot bigger. The Atto 3's electric tailgate opens up to a 440-litre boot that expands to 1340-litres when the rear row seats are folded down. The Tesla Y is 854 and 2041 litres respectively, plus the Y has a frunk.
I am currently shopping for my first EV. I decided the Model Y is just too long and wide as I will do almost exclusively city driving. This video is interesting to me because when looking at all the pros and cons, I also narrowed it down to the Model 3 and the Atto. I do feel the Model 3 is the better car overall, but it has several cons that keep the Atto in sight: - I have back problems and promised myself I wouldn't buy another car with a low entry. - the Tesla is much less comfortable (sporty, but do you need that when it's just a daily driver?) - the panoramic roof is nice but it's fixed and there's no screen either (hot in summer?). - more trunk space but accessibility is worse than the Atto. - still a bit longer than the Atto (worse for city driving). - minimalist is fine, but some ambience in the cabin would be appreciated. Now, considering these cons, if the price would be so much more in my country (Belgium) than you list here, I would just go with the Atto and be perfectly happy. But here the Atto costs 46740€, and the Model 3 is just 430€ more expensive, at 47170€. And when the price is the same, shouldn't I go for the better, more established car (with probably a better resale value)?
For your bad back the Tesla can automatically adjust the sear back and up for you to get in. Then press the memory button for your driving position. There is a shade available for the glass roof in summer. Enjoy your Tesla
Why not consider the BYD Han ,it’s more comfortable than atto3. And it’s fairly cheaper than model 3 in China,if you considered the higher version. And as a chinese who live in China now. I am officially recommending you the Li L7. Really amazing SUV, deserve the waiting.😊
@@kanghongouyang986 It blows my mind to hear the BYD Han is cheaper in China than the Tesla 3. Here in Europe the Tesla starts from 47970€, while the BYD Han starts from 72140€ !!!!!!!!!!!!, that's a massive 24170€ difference, and it's ALL profit for BYD, while the cost to import the cars must be practically the same (the Tesla comes from the Shanghai factory). As of this moment, BYD doesn't even have the cost of their own dealership, in my country they are distributed by Peugeot. Now I understand why BYD is making such massive profits, but as a customer this only convinces me the car is overpriced.
@@ivo4357 wow, I have no idea why it’s much expensive in Europe.The Han is start from 271.8k rmb. The model 3 is start from 223.5k rmb. but the model 3 long range version is 312.5k rmb.
Thanks Tom and Joy, for a truly excellent, comprehensive comparison between the BYD and Tesla vehicles. Just one point though regarding your comment on the “heads up display” (HUD) at 15:33 I know I may be accused of pedantry Tom, but when you refer to the “heads up display” in the BYD, you are actually talking about the PHYSICAL driver’s instrument binnacle in front of the driver and behind the steering wheel. However, it is universally accepted in the motor industry that the term “heads up display” specifically refers to the projection on the WINDSCREEN of driving data such as speed, etc. I think it is very important to note the distinction between the two, because they are quite different.
Thanks and has been noted in a previous comment - I have updated my pinned comment and video description for viewers to substitute the term binnacle in place of where I say HUD
Great review! I wouldn’t buy a Tesla because: 1. I hate not having data in front of the driver (why no HUD?) 2. I’m an Apple user and no CarPlay makes No sense!
Think important to mention the engineering in the Tesla is a big step above, and the software development. Also the fact the Model Y is literally the safest car in the world according to EURO NCAP. People survived driving over a cliff in one which is truly insane. The Atto is great value no question. But they realistically are in different leagues and there’s nothing wrong with that. More choice is good.
How safe are BYD ATTO 3 , Tesla Model 3 and Tesla Model Y according to EuroNCAP? 2022 BYD ATTO 3 (Au$48,011- $51,011) 5 stars Adult Occupantn 91% Child Occupant 89% Vulnerable Road Users 69% Safety Assist 74% 2019 Tesla Model 3 ( Au $63,900-$89,900) 5 stars Adult Occupant 96% Child Occupant 86% Vulnerable Road Users 74% Safety Assist 94% 2022 Tesla Model Y ( Au$72,300-$97,895) 5 stars Adult Occupant 97% Child Occupant 87% Vulnerable Road Users 82% Safety Assist 98%
Model3 is 25% more efficient than Atto3, so the price gap is considerably less if you drive a lot. For Tesla you dont need regular service, you bring it in only when there is a problem. For BYD you need to pay for the regular service, otherwise you might lose the warranty on the battery, among other things. I do not know why almost all youtubers leave out this important detail when comparing selling prices.
Doesn't Tesla need service the breaking system, aircon or the suspensions, etc? Traditional ICE car still need service on those other than the engine and transmission.
FWD EV, seems no point? The reason ICE cars are FWL is to simplify the gearbox & engine together to save cost and also avoid a transmission/tailshaft tunnel. Why make an EV FWD? No cost saving over making it RWD but you get the inferior handling and performance of FWD.
Tesla is light years ahead of any BYD product. If it’s the power , efficiency or the reliability and the OTA updates, and of course the supercharger network. In my country BYD‘s are falling apart and having numerous problems with steering wheel rattling or sunroof not closing and the company signing new clients purchasing new cars on a waiver, not to sue in the future. On top of that the list of maintenance needed every 20,000 km is just outrageous and doesn’t exist in the world of Tesla. Shouldn’t expected more from a country that’s notorious of spying and stealing patents and hacking into companies and downloading their research and development’s only to build an inferior model and sell it cheaper to the world. These Chinese cars are lowering safety standards across the field when a lot of brands are selling cars with zero crash testing and so on. Save your time and money and effort, and buy something else.
Hi Tom and Joy. Great to see what the missus has to say, a woman's perspective on any car is always different to a blokes. My wife just got the Atto3 and she loves everything about it. When she let's me drive I enjoy giving it a bit more 'stick'. I think it handles really well, that battery on a low centre of gravity gives it a feeling like she's on rails. All the range / charger anxiety isn't an issue with us, because we still have the ICE Pajero, which now seems so noisy and stinky, but good for longer, dirt roads when we go travelling. We use the Atto3 for everyday run arounds and typically no more than 40km/day. We've only recharged with the supplied 8 amp granny, whilst we're producing solar power from our 6kW PV array on the house. So, it's not cost us anything to recharge and we haven't used any coal. The price difference between BYD and Tesla is quite significant and that's why comparing the two makes is not really a good idea. Love all the reviews though, thanks.
Thanks for sharing your experience Grant! I agree, always great to have Joy’s perspective on the cars we review. Great that you’ve got solar at home, helps to offset charging costs for sure 👍 Enjoy the BYD!
We completed a 7,000km trip thru Vic, NSW and QLD a few months ago in our M3 LR. No issues with charging as this was mostly done thru destination chargers at motels, Hotels etc. Used the Tesla super charger network a few times but the charging cost is higher so preferred to use other options where possible. Overall our charging cost was $40 for the entire trip. The model-3 is a very comfortable vehicle and happy we purchased this vehicle.
Great Video Tom! The one thing that buyers forget in their purchasing decision is purely sticker price NOT TCO which is what fleet managers look at over say 5yrs or even 10yrs depending on how long they keep vehicles generally. Where lower price ICE vehicles become more costly when TCO is taken into consideration. There is a 3rd party Frunk for the Atto 3 available, there may be more options now than there was originally. I think it comes down to budget in the end, for myself that's a $20k difference which I would rather have the $20k for travel or other things than into car payments.
The issue is the BYD is terrible quality wise. Look up BYD quality and you'd be shocked. Teslas have a lot of cosmetic defects sure but BYD has serious structural issues.
I have both m3 and atto. 2 points the power consumption for the atto i find is more 15 to 16 kwh per 100 kms and then there is a great sunroof and sunshade that has multiple settings of ventillation opening. Value for money the atto is remarkable
Slightly off topic, but, having just owned one of the budget, I mean, most affordable, EV’s in Australia, I can say the experience is still a nightmare, with a dealer and manufacturer not wanting to admit to the many faults of the vehicle. Which leads me onto the point of, cheaper does not mean better. What is the BYD going to look like after 5 years of driving? Australia is short on EV’s at the price point the masses need them, until then, Tesla is the most halfway suitable.
Would be interesting if you can get a friend whose never driven, or considered an EV and get them to drive a few types and see what they think. The comparisons are interesting, but you’ll always have a biase and a range of personal experiences to fall back on, where that first time EV shopper may have nothing to fall back on and have to make a choice based on first impressions.
Recently had the free 3 month safety service BYD provides. Living 250 km away from the only Victorian service centre make it a pain, so glad I won't have another service for 10 months. Did an OTA on the Atto 3 yesterday...went smoothly, took about half an hour.
I am buying Atto 3 because I think it’s narrower than either Tesla (my parking space is narrow). Tom, I think you said Model 3 is narrower but I saw a wider measurement for Model 3 (including wing mirrors).
Yes you're right, I had quoted without mirrors. Tesla website states 2088mm including mirrors; 1933mm with folded mirrors and 1849mm excluding mirrors. Whereas Atto 3 is 1875mm with mirrors. Good spot
Thanks for the video Tom and Joy, was considering the atto but concerns over the product support and warranty, like 3 year warranty on suspension components. To me that’s sounds like they don’t believe it will handle Aussie roads or is it an EV direct thing, apparently the Kiwis have a much better deal. Bad enough we are constantly flogged by them in the rugby 😆 cheers
One year on since you made this as it’s still spot on. I am trying to determine what to buy between Model Y, Model 3 and Atto 3. I currently have the BYD in my garage as a hire car. I think this has confirmed Model 3 for me. Was very interested in the long distance space feedback on your trips. I assumed the Model 3 would have been the smaller than the Atto 3,but perhaps its boot is bigger than I thought. Thanks so much. 👍🏽
If you’re going to do long drives, save yourself the hassle and buy the Tesla. The current 2022/3 Atto 3 has incompatibility issues with V3/4 Tesla superchargers which are yet to be resolved by BYD
I agree with you that the BYD is better except for the future FSD, which I don't think we will ever have in Egypt. I hope that you get FSD soon in Australia. Best regards from Egypt.
A little more discussion about the battery systems would be good in this comparison, as they are quite different. My understanding is that there are substantial benefits to lithium iron phosphate in general, and in the blade battery in particular. It was a big factor for me in choosing the Atto3. Battery life may also be much better, although time will eventually tell.
I have a BYD I found the different lay out of the model Y made the test drive unpleasant. Also I am still driving an ICE car and the BYD means less difference changing back and forth. I just want comfortable transport from the car and the BYD is quite adequate. I would agree that the present charging network for non Teslas can be challenging
Really enjoy your channel. Been following Tesla since first seeing one in Florida while on holidays in 2013. At age 72, I ordered a Red MY Performance 2 hours after launch here in Oz. Am in Moruya and hope to catch up with you around delivery time in Sydney.
@@ptrsrrll Hi Peter. Interesting reading which MY you've bought. You're slightly more senior in age to me as I've just turned 65. I too have purchased a MY but only the RWD standard option in white. After reading about your purchase, I'm wondering if i should have gone for the same MY version. I feel as though I aspire to the car with all the bells and whistles but have ended up buying the version with all the plastic covers in place where the switches go on the top of the range model. A constant reminder that "I should have worked harder!"
@@LouDeVere I think it is always good to have a goal. In my case, I've always been around motorsport and still race Go Karts. So, once I saved up enough money, the Performance was the one. Also ordered FSD..🙂
this is by far the best review of the cars so far, you both have done a great job with all the info covered and without any bias. wished more reviews were as honest as this one is. WELL DONE
Tom. I was wondering if you had any experience using a Model 3 Long Range as a daily driver. What I’m trying to find out is the 10-80% driving range. If I’m only charging between these limits does it mean the daily range is around 360 kms ?
I still have a Model S 70D with a NMC chemistry. For many years I just charged to 80% for my daily use which was enough. If ever I needed more charge for the day, I would then slide it to a higher requirement as needed.
Test drove the Atto3 today and noticed a low humming noise from the motor at low speed! Tom, do you have an explanation for that? BYD tells me it's expected to stop at about 30k km? Does anyone have a similar experience?
You're calling the screen in front of the BYD's steering wheel a "head up display". It isn't that, it's a normal screen - a head-up-display is normally an image that is projected onto the windscreen using a reflection or similar. Please clarify this as viewers may think the BYD actually comes with a HUD.
I do not think the value proposition to buy a new electric car is there even for these cars . For 50k you can get a good Tucson for example. It will depreciate much less and you would not have to worry on longer trips. Maintenance and fuel cost saving on EV are greatly offset by the depreciation, cost of insurance, extra cost for tyres. The value proposition is there only with a novated lease and incentives. This is why I got a model y but other than that I would carefully consider to go EV for a new car
A very good review. I think you need to also take into account resale value. The true cost of the car is what you paid minus what you sell it for. I know the numbers are not available yet but I suspect the Tesla will have the better resale thus reducing the price difference. Tesla also has the big advantage of the supercharger network. I’m surprised they are opening it up as it’s their big advantage when purchasing.
I hear so much about the Supercharger network advantage, but in reality, most Tesla drivers now have an option and are choosing to not pay for Superchargers. Read the grumpy posts from EV drivers having to queue for public chargers full of Teslas while the Tesla superchargers down the road are empty. I have nothing against Tesla drivers using free or cheaper charging options, heck I would too if I were them, but I don’t think they are the selling point they were years ago. The only way to keep those tesla chargers serviceable and open is to unlock them so they can make money off everyone.
I think charge speed being much slower , front wheel drive only , acceleration , 3rd party servicing and the generic standard tyres of the ATTO 3 probably make a Tesla a better option . Not to much resale and the fact that Tesla continue to push out updates to older vehicles. BYD will be a player to what extent will be interesting.
@@johnnie5wreckingyard Is it with todays prize, didnt Tesla cut the prize in Aus like in rest of the world? Like 2 weeks ago in Chaina and one week ago now in Europe...and even US. And what about service...do BYD need to do that like allmost every other carmakers have? Tesla took that away yeasr ago and there you save a lot of cash
@@tonyalbertsson919 Tesla did cut prices but they had also put them up recently - by more than the price cut. When I bought ny M3 RWD it was $59,990 + on roads. It's now $63,990 + on roads after the price cut. I think they moved prices further in Europe and China. We don't have MY LR yet.
@@tonyalbertsson919 yes thats with todays “prize” and depending on what model and spec you are prob closer to $25k saving , in fact tesla can easily be 50% more Yes there is a price for service but with the money you save on the insurance you will still have some left over even after the service
There is an interesting article in today's Sun-Herald about driving a Polestar 2 from Sydney to Perth. It concurs with your comments about charging infrastructure. From what I can read, over the next 12 months or so there will be a reasonable choice of EVs for Australians to buy. All of which will be good - some even great. Personal preference will be the deciding factor. However, while it is improving, the availability and reliability of the DC charging infrastructure will be what determines the EV driving experience when not using just home charging. PS: was the cafe in St Ives Showground open?
Another great review video guys!! Loving this channel. One thing that seems to be missed though is towing capability on EVs. What does the BYD and Tesla offer here? Or at least the ability to fit a tow bar for carrying bicycles, etc. Plus ground clearance can be a deciding factor on what EV you would choose, especially for those with steep driveways or just the confidence you're not going to scrub your front bumper in shopping centre carparks, etc.
Yup great points. EV Stealth Solutions offer after market solutions for EV towing in Australia. Tesla offer in-house tow kits for Model Y. Yes EVs generally have a lower ground clearance when compared to their ICE equivalents given their skateboard battery design
I have owned a model Y for almost a year now, and we need a new car. So I went for a Atto 3 test drive today with the intent of buying one as a 2nd car. We ended up getting another Tesla, here are the pros and cons I came up with as I tried to push myself into getting the cheaper Atto 3. CONS: No phone key, have to use a physical key (and you only get 1, $400 for an extra) Terrible tires (borderline unsafe in the wet) (decent tires are about $1800) No seat/wheel position memory No automatic driver profiles No support for multiple spotify (or any media) accounts Less power/performance Front wheel drive (feels worse to drive, you get torque steering when accelerating, less controllable) Worse lane centering/cruise control Much less storage No one pedal driving No semi-automatic indicators No always on dash cam (sentry mode) Barely any functionality from the phone app Requires actual servicing (I asked what they did, basically nothing + some filters) 80 kw p/h max charge speeds (Teslas are over 200 kw p/h) Doesn't handle as well when driving, a bit touchy and jumpy both in braking and accelerating. Can't limit the height of the auto open boot by location Infotainment system is balls, software is terrible in comparison More reliabity issues (still not too bad compared to other cars) Built in navigation is meh, satilite connection is spotty. Stuck using third party chargers, not able to use the Tesla charger network Speakers are meh Less real world range than a similar Tesla Can't change the volume of the indicators, they are stupidly loud. PROS: 25% cheaper than a new Tesla Android auto support Built in 240v powerpoint Has an OEM heads up display.
You don't need to use a key with the Atto 3. Put it in your pocket and you can unlock it. It's a proximity key. Same goes with starting. If the key is close just press start with foot on the brake. Fob never needs to leave your pocket. I don't notice the power difference between the Y and Atto 3. Who is going to stamp it above 100 kW?
Joy nailed it with her her last comment about doing trips and unreliable charging networks. I think everyone that buys a non Tesla regrets their diction as soon as they go on a trip.
Ah yes my channel name’s origin story! Basically EVs were considered ludicrous back when I started the channel, they’d never work etc! But also it was an homage to the first launch mode for the Tesla Model S ie Ludicrous Speed, which in itself was an homage to the original reference from the movie, Space Balls
The warranty with the Atto3 in AU was a EV Direct thing. Look at the warranty in NZ - leaps & bounds better just like the Tesla. I think once you leave the heavily travelled east cost of AU the superchargers do not exist in the same quantity/distance. So the charging monopoly debate starts to wear thin. Plus with the recently announced government grant, Tesla will need to open up their chargers to all EVs even if not at all the stalls at a site. I think the Seal will compete very well with the Tesla M3 when it arrives. It looks leaps & bounds better too. The BYD comes with a free UMC. While Tesla wants $550 for one unless your delivery is in Q1 2023. The other option is a wall charger with both cars. People buy the Tesla for the tech rather than anything else where it does excel at.
Thanks for a great Clip. As a Holden Volt owner I really enjoyed your video . For me i will be keeping my Volt towards the end of the decade by then many more electric car choices thanks 😊
I drive an Atto 3 here in China. Can anyone confirm that when the car is plugged and charging at a fast charger and you are inside the car with the engine on and the AC on there is a loud running noise comming from the front hood like an engine or something. I got the same noise when I start the AC remotely from the BYD app to cool down the car before I reach to it in the parking lot during hot days. When I drive the car normally I don't hear that sound. Also I noticed that when I increase the AC fan speed the noise is louder. Is it the heat pump? Why I don’t hear this noise when I drive the car normally with the AC on? Is this normal? Thanks!
One of the best videos of many I've seen on these cars. Firstly, real user experience over a long time in a Tesla, secondly, road trip BYD driving in Aus and thirdly the compare and contest.
I drove a number of EV’s before buying our BYD Atto 3 , 3 months ago. I have been absolutely blown away by the value for money of the Atto. We have had no problems with the car and will seriously consider a BYD Seal when they arrive. Our other car is a Mercedes GLC 300 Coupe. The EV I was expecting to buy for our city run around was the Mercedes EQA 250. I was shocked at the price compared to the Atto and the compromises in the EQA. I wonder how the Atto and EQA would would rank in a test even though one is at the cheap end and one is supposedly premium. Maybe you could do a comparison. I also drove both Tesla 3 and Y and seriously had my finger poised over the buy button a few times. What held me back mostly (so far anyway) was the feeling that they were not premium feeling for the premium price and the ride quality I could not live with in the performance variants.
It all comes down to what you need your Ev for and the price. My Atto 3 is a city car it won't be going over any state borders on a long road trip If I need to cross state borders I fly and hire a car there if I need one, this is what I have done for the past 20 years, so there are some of us out there that don't do long road trips, so how fast its chargers is irrelevant and most smart people who do, would plan their charging times around rest breaks. It would be good Tom if you did some other Ev comparisons against the Tesla model 3 and Y with the MG ZS EV, Polestar and the MG 4 when it's available, so you just don't seem to be singling out the Atto 3. On a side note, my 2022 Atto 3 is $3,630 cheaper than the prices you quoted against the Tesla model 3 and Y as I could have ordered all 3 Evs in 2022.
I’m thankful to EV direct for loaning us the Atto 3 for an extended period of time hence I felt confident enough to be able to provide a fair comparison against the 3/Y. I’d be happy to do the same for the other brands should the same opportunity arise in the future
@Ludicrous Feed let's be honest Tom the Atto 3 is in a different vehicle category to both Tesla models. A more direct comparison would be between the BYD Seal sedan and the Tesla model 3 and the BYD Sealion if it gets sold here against the Tesla model Y.
Looking forward to my Atto 3 delivery, finding it tricky to maintain patience... Already upgraded the home solar PV from 3 to 10kw, and gearing up to install level 2 home charging. As an electrician was swayed to the Atto 3 from Tesla option due to V2L, but was disappointed to discover the Atto 3 's V2L output is only 220V AC. This is too low for some applications/appliances and I think a deliberate choice by BYD to disable using it to run an off grid weekend cabin or time shifting electricity use in a custom V2H set up. It will run resistive loads, camping fridges, computers etc, but might struggle with portable induction cooktops. Can anyone try to test run a portable induction cooktop please? That way I can ditch the camping gas stove. Thanks Tom and Joy!
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks Tom I just found a "Dune" branded single zone portable induction cooktop that will run off 220V-240V on the Anaconda website... Nevertheless, they shouldn't be selling the BYD here with the inverter output voltage set so low as this low voltage could damage some equipment. Australia is 230V nominal as the supply standard. Why isn't the inverter outputting a compliant voltage level?
@@sparkytas 220V is a compliant level. Our DNSP's, are legally obliged to keep our voltage between 230V -6%, +15%. 216.2V is our minimum compliant voltage. Nearly every electrical product you buy will have a voltage range between 220-240V.
@@LudicrousFeed as much i wanna know how much would it cost in Australia. Because if Atto 3 cost 51k and Model Y 69k will Nio EC6 be around 60K and which one is more hotter to take? And as for Xpeng P9 most probably close to Atto3 around 50K I would definately take P9 over Atto 3.
Thanks for this review. I have a Atto 3 and have just ordered a MY. It's funny how the two vehicles external dimensions are so similar and yet the MY seems to be so much bigger, especially inside. The available load space in the rear of the MY is cavernous! The Model Y drive I thought superior to the Atto 3 and felt more firm but I really do enjoy the Atto 3 too. Both are wonderful EVs.
I am a Regional Vic. Atto3 owner. I am now well overdue for 5k service. No regional service centres in Vic. Looks like back to Dandenong for car service .
I don’t think the Atto3 should be compared to the Tesla models, it competes more with the Kia Niro or Hyundai Kona. Maybe when the Atto4 is released you could compare to Tesla.
It's a risky task for taking a non Tesla for big road trips. Took a Model X Performance on a 2000km road trip recently with few stops and non range anxiety at all.
This is an exemplary reveal but it makes one aware of how fortunate our generation of consumers are when we're splitting hairs on remarkable vehicles. Subjective is the key word indeed.
Hi gentleman, I purchased ATTO 3 after watching your video in Sydney. One question please about charging cable connecting charging station (chargefox), "32A 7kW 1phase", "16A 11kW 1phase", or "32A 22kW 3phase"? Thanks a lot
For Atto 3, all you need is 32A 7kW 1 phase because that's the max the car can handle. However for future proofing it may be worth purchasing either the 11kW or 22kW cable if you ever change to a different car one day
5:25 can confirm the atto3 boot space is smaller Reminds me more of a Corolla boot size (maybe slightly larger) But compared to my outlander phev , the atto3 boot feels tiny
Hey Tom, I'm debating whether to get a Model Y or wait for the BYD Seal to launch. I like the seal, but BYD's software is a major concern for me. Having owned Tesla's and driven the BYD, do you think the software is a dealbreaker?
@@LudicrousFeed Hopefully , Currently own a Holden Volt, Mrs fell in love with EV and Ordered the Atto 3 around 6 Months ago, currently in build phase. I Ordered the Model 3 long range in Late November, already landed and transport has just been organised.
Thanks for the video. How can you say that TMY and Atto3nare simulator size.. the BYD is much smaller. After the price reduction from Tesla, the rwd 3/Y are basically the same price as Atto 3 in Denmark, so bye bye BYD. Ant the price gap to the LR models are relatively small.
The Tesla price drop in Australia was not as dramatic as it was in US and Europe so at present, the Atto 3 is significantly less expensive than Tesla 3/Y
@@LudicrousFeed too bad for you. I've had s TMY LR for little over a year and just sat in a Atto 3. I did not like the interior. BTW in Europe i can see 3rd party DC chargers on the navigation.
Tesla are reducing prices because of competition as they are overpriced for an ugly boring car. Not sure why you are saying bye bye BYD not everyone likes giving money to Musk, thats why sales of tesla are down in the US
@@craigk1328 BYD is simply not in the same league. Tesla is different from all legacy Auto brands. But it's on par with most i terms of quality. But when it comes to efficiently and the Electric parts, Tesla are at the very top. Style and looks are subjective.
@@hgh425 LOL tell me you are a fan boy without telling me you are a fan boy. the same quality as other car brands? I had a good laugh at that statement. its a blob and you are giving money to a Man child :(
Yup check out the details for our Sydney installer in this video: TESLA MODEL 3 POWER FRUNK HANSSHOW INSTALLATION & TEST AUSTRALIA 2022 ua-cam.com/video/Kqel_QB3A9I/v-deo.html
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*NB The physical 'head up display' I refer to in the Atto 3 is called a 'binnacle'. There is no projected HUD in the Atto 3
Thanks Tom and Joy for your insights, I agree if you live in a major city and you have access to a wall charger then all three vehicles are fit for purpose. If you carry a lot of gear need roof racks or tow then Y and Atto are good choices, if you require better ground clearance then Y and Atto are great choices if you want best efficiency with sports car acceleration and handling then model 3 is king. Don’t get hung up on Tesla charging system once you travel regionally you’ll be lining up with everyone else for unreliable regional fast DC charging systems. No fast or super chargers north of Sunshine Coast here in Qld. However if you have to bail to AC charging your Tesla will charge quicker than any Atto for sure.
For most of us who do the occasional road trip I guess it boils down to how much money do you really want to invest in driving the kids around and doing the shopping. I reckon service goes to Tesla and warranty goes to Atto. Resale probably Tesla 😁👍
does the atto 3 have a "wireless" phone charger? in the shelfs between the drive and the passanger?
@@eirikurarnorsson2454 There’s a wireless charging area below the front AC vent
If you’ve got the money Telsa is the one to get and for value BYD is tough to ignore
Good 1 line summary
My advise from America and a M3 owner. Buying a non-Tesla for home/city use is just fine. You will mostly charge from home and when your in the city you might out of convenience use a local charger. If that charger fails no worries because your close to home. Most people do one maybe two road trips a year. So buy the car that really fits your needs in your day to day life not so much for those one or two trips you might do in a year. If in your life you make trips out of town to a set location say like family, look to see what chargers are on route, how many per location and history of reliability for that network before buying a non-Tesla. Don't get sucked into buying a car just because it is electric. The market is maturing so buy a electric car that drives right for you and fits your needs. If it is not on the market yet then hold off instead of pushing a bad choice. My country's third party networks are really bad here in the States and I'm not even going into dealer price gouging. I bought my base M3 because of the LFP, direct sales (no stress) and Super Charger network. Even just doing a day trip to the next city/town up the motorway/highway for lunch or shopping it gives me piece of mind that nearby is a Super Charger to top up on the return trip. Can your Tesla's charge on third party networks with an adapter like we have in the States? If you do that is a game changer for Tesla and a buying point to have access to all networks.
Thanks Robert and I would reiterate that same advice. We’ve done a 890km Sydney to Melbourne road trip in the BYD and like it is in the US, Australia’s non-Tesla DC charger network leaves a lot to be desired currently. Hopefully things improve for all of us in this decade 🙏
PS yes, Model 3/Y can use (most) third party networks without an adaptor in Australia
We are in the market for a new car as our family is growing... But I'm leaning towards the model y, because there's so much more space.
@Andrew Palozzo When I bought my M3 it was just a tool for me and my family. I needed the super charger network. My fall back was resale value if I didn't like the car. I am happy to say that as just a car the driving dynamic is the best car I have ever own. The control I have over the car makes me feel safe at any speed and I just have the base model. Try and test drive a car and evaluate it as a car, ignore the software. I can guarantee you that she will sell you first on her dynamics. Good luck
Between 28th December and January 9th we took our Atto 3 all the way to Mackay stopping in Brisbane and Bundaberg on the way. On the way there and back found that the combination of QESH in QLD and Evie/Chargefox in NSW was more than enough to cover us for our trip 🎉
@@GuniBulls Space is huge in the MY and the almost 50% faster at home charging on the MY may be important. The extra speed, space and lower charging time plus Tesla supercharger network are why I'm very happy with our MY purchase... plus the potential for FSD in the hopefully not too distant future.
Very good review . You have never commented on panel fit and gaps and also paint quality. The BYD Atto 3 here is the clear winner on quality control but I suppose it is early days of production.
I’ve mentioned it in earlier reviews of the Atto 3 - I’m happy with the build quality 👍
Interesting perception of the boot space of the M3 as its rated 425L front+back while Atto3 is rated 440L but it fits more? Upon my research into whether to get a MY or an Atto3 I've found the MY seems to be a tier higher than the Atto3 in build quality, size and performance. What i didn't like is the hard suspension. We usually use our car as a shopping cart not doing road trips the Atto3 fits our needs more than adequately, especially it's smaller and easier to fit in parking spaces for inner city living.
Our first EV is gonna be an ATTO. We were considering a KIA Sportage or Seltos but for the trim we wanted n the price we decided it was time to give it a go. Still waiting for it to be delivered. The Chinese EVs are essential to make it more affordable for the average person, not everyone can stump up $50-70k for a vehicle.
Though more investment in EV infrastructure is definitely needed esp rural areas. Australia is such a big country. An Atto could also be a good choice as a 2nd EV as well.
Great points. Indeed the Kia Sportage is similar in size, I posted a photo with it parked next to the Atto 3 and the size is comparable. Agreed that EVs from China will make it affordable to many.
@@LudicrousFeed we have a long way to go for mainstream EV adoption.
A lot of other things to to consider:
- end of life - Battery recycling
- how the grid will cope as EVs are adopted
- the adherrant limitations of charging for those in say apartment blocks, on street parking only properties etc
- proper legislation in place - things like that Vic EV road tax received a lot of backlash.
- instead of a subsidy why not put that into more infrastructure. Would be good to see more EV chargers at major service stations. Reliability as well, how to improve that.
@@DannChewie good points. Hey Tom, there is a massive apartment development happening now at Eastgardens. Can you find out or do a video if Meriton is implementing EV charging for all property owners and if they’re providing enough off-street parking for residents and visitors? This is the time to ask as it’s being built. Cheers. 👍
How have you found the atto 3?
Hey Tom & Joy I have Model 3 LR delivered 23 Dec 2022 & loving it. On delivery I noticed a chip in the front bumper, booked a service straight away & had the bumper respirated in 4 day. Very impressed. As I had a loan M3 RWD it was interesting to note the differences. Audio system has no bass compared to premium systems but still OK. Had the power reduced a couple of times due to wheel slip which I haven’t experienced in AWD LR. Acceleration is no where as fast but acceptable but regen is reduced I guess as there’s only 1 motor recharging the batteries & I noticed the front dips during regen not noticed in the AWD. Not a fan of white, mine is black but overall the RWD did feel a cheaper car.
Thanks Peter, nice summary of the differences between LR and RWD
How bad was the chip that they had to respray the whole bumper.?.. real nice of Tesla to do that as I had a miniscule chip in my 2019 white bumper .. but never pursued it
Really good presentation, thanks very much. Straight up, detailed and thorough.
Pleasure
Great to see a comparison between the Atto 3 and the model 3/Y. The comparison is completely justified, but it’s a reflection of where we are at presently because the reason these are being compared is simply because they’re EVs. It’s unusual in the ICE market to see comparisons between cars with such a price variance.
Agreed. I guess it’s intended for those wanting to see if it’s worth paying the extra $ to jump into a Tesla! 🤔⚖️
Great comparison. Have been considering MY vs Atto 3 and test driven both. Some considerations not mentioned:
- MY 40/20/40 split folding rear seats. This is quite important to me. Especially with baby seats in both rear seats and the desire to put something longer through the middle.
- for people who care for audio, the sound system on the MY is way better
- Atto 3 comes with portable granny charger for free
Subjectively:
- check seat comfort in both depending on body type
- exterior aesthetic, I think the MY is not a nice looking car
Thanks! Good points 👍
The only time you will see a big difference is when you are in an accident. I personally am very interested in collision tests for the BYD. In real life Testa proved that they made very safe cars, strong, light but very expensive to repair after you get into an accident.
I believe there are collision tests videos released by BYD - it was recently featured on a Fully Charged review of the Seal
The first choice is BYD
Good review thanks Joy (and Tom)
Thanks Gary! Great to have Joy’s input from a different perspective ❤️
I was surprised the Atto 3 is a similar size to the model Y. I had a look at both and the model Y felt much bigger inside. Anyway, even though I do not like the blingish interior of the Atto 3 they have done a great job of producing a well priced product.
Model Y certainly feels bigger on the inside
@@LudicrousFeed FYI. I checked the cargo space and it is a lot bigger. The Atto 3's electric tailgate opens up to a 440-litre boot that expands to 1340-litres when the rear row seats are folded down. The Tesla Y is 854 and 2041 litres respectively, plus the Y has a frunk.
I am currently shopping for my first EV. I decided the Model Y is just too long and wide as I will do almost exclusively city driving. This video is interesting to me because when looking at all the pros and cons, I also narrowed it down to the Model 3 and the Atto. I do feel the Model 3 is the better car overall, but it has several cons that keep the Atto in sight:
- I have back problems and promised myself I wouldn't buy another car with a low entry.
- the Tesla is much less comfortable (sporty, but do you need that when it's just a daily driver?)
- the panoramic roof is nice but it's fixed and there's no screen either (hot in summer?).
- more trunk space but accessibility is worse than the Atto.
- still a bit longer than the Atto (worse for city driving).
- minimalist is fine, but some ambience in the cabin would be appreciated.
Now, considering these cons, if the price would be so much more in my country (Belgium) than you list here, I would just go with the Atto and be perfectly happy. But here the Atto costs 46740€, and the Model 3 is just 430€ more expensive, at 47170€. And when the price is the same, shouldn't I go for the better, more established car (with probably a better resale value)?
I agree, if they were priced the same or very similar, I’d have to favour the Tesla
For your bad back the Tesla can automatically adjust the sear back and up for you to get in. Then press the memory button for your driving position. There is a shade available for the glass roof in summer. Enjoy your Tesla
Why not consider the BYD Han ,it’s more comfortable than atto3. And it’s fairly cheaper than model 3 in China,if you considered the higher version. And as a chinese who live in China now. I am officially recommending you the Li L7. Really amazing SUV, deserve the waiting.😊
@@kanghongouyang986 It blows my mind to hear the BYD Han is cheaper in China than the Tesla 3. Here in Europe the Tesla starts from 47970€, while the BYD Han starts from 72140€ !!!!!!!!!!!!, that's a massive 24170€ difference, and it's ALL profit for BYD, while the cost to import the cars must be practically the same (the Tesla comes from the Shanghai factory). As of this moment, BYD doesn't even have the cost of their own dealership, in my country they are distributed by Peugeot. Now I understand why BYD is making such massive profits, but as a customer this only convinces me the car is overpriced.
@@ivo4357 wow, I have no idea why it’s much expensive in Europe.The Han is start from 271.8k rmb. The model 3 is start from 223.5k rmb. but the model 3 long range version is 312.5k rmb.
The base model Model 3 is $68k drive away, compared to 48k for a base model Atto 3. So it’s actually closer to 30% more.
Thanks Tom and Joy, for a truly excellent, comprehensive comparison between the BYD and Tesla vehicles.
Just one point though regarding your comment on the “heads up display” (HUD) at 15:33
I know I may be accused of pedantry Tom, but when you refer to the “heads up display” in the BYD, you are actually talking about the PHYSICAL driver’s instrument binnacle in front of the driver and behind the steering wheel.
However, it is universally accepted in the motor industry that the term “heads up display” specifically refers to the projection on the WINDSCREEN of driving data such as speed, etc. I think it is very important to note the distinction between the two, because they are quite different.
Thanks and has been noted in a previous comment - I have updated my pinned comment and video description for viewers to substitute the term binnacle in place of where I say HUD
Great review! I wouldn’t buy a Tesla because: 1. I hate not having data in front of the driver (why no HUD?) 2. I’m an Apple user and no CarPlay makes No sense!
Think important to mention the engineering in the Tesla is a big step above, and the software development. Also the fact the Model Y is literally the safest car in the world according to EURO NCAP. People survived driving over a cliff in one which is truly insane. The Atto is great value no question. But they realistically are in different leagues and there’s nothing wrong with that. More choice is good.
How safe are BYD ATTO 3 , Tesla Model 3 and Tesla Model Y according to EuroNCAP?
2022 BYD ATTO 3 (Au$48,011- $51,011)
5 stars
Adult Occupantn 91%
Child Occupant 89%
Vulnerable Road Users 69%
Safety Assist 74%
2019 Tesla Model 3 ( Au $63,900-$89,900)
5 stars
Adult Occupant 96%
Child Occupant 86%
Vulnerable Road Users 74%
Safety Assist 94%
2022 Tesla Model Y ( Au$72,300-$97,895)
5 stars
Adult Occupant 97%
Child Occupant 87%
Vulnerable Road Users 82%
Safety Assist 98%
@@directxxxx71 yep incredible stats on the Teslas. Not that the BYD scores are bad, still very good results.
on the BYD there is a guy that has driven Perth to Melbourne. I havent seen his report on how he went ...That would be an interesting trip.
Amazing!
Once you leave the melbourne-sydney-brisbane coast, you also leave behind tesla superchargers, so the charging infrastructure advantage wears off.
Model3 is 25% more efficient than Atto3, so the price gap is considerably less if you drive a lot. For Tesla you dont need regular service, you bring it in only when there is a problem. For BYD you need to pay for the regular service, otherwise you might lose the warranty on the battery, among other things. I do not know why almost all youtubers leave out this important detail when comparing selling prices.
I did mention toward the end of the video that the Tesla warranty and service did seem more straight forward cf BYD in Australia at least anyway
You won't lose the warranty on the battery unless something you neglected causes a battery issue.
@@mondotv4216 I hope your are correct but please read the fine print anyway.
Doesn't Tesla need service the breaking system, aircon or the suspensions, etc? Traditional ICE car still need service on those other than the engine and transmission.
@@vrealzhou NO regular service is required. Bring it in when you or the on-board computer detects a problem
Tesla can learn more from BYD than BYD can from Tesla.
Ultimately, competition is good for consumers
FWD EV, seems no point? The reason ICE cars are FWL is to simplify the gearbox & engine together to save cost and also avoid a transmission/tailshaft tunnel.
Why make an EV FWD? No cost saving over making it RWD but you get the inferior handling and performance of FWD.
Agreed. RWD is the way to go. Often EVs are FWD because they’re based on an existing ICE platform
Tesla is light years ahead of any BYD product. If it’s the power , efficiency or the reliability and the OTA updates, and of course the supercharger network. In my country BYD‘s are falling apart and having numerous problems with steering wheel rattling or sunroof not closing and the company signing new clients purchasing new cars on a waiver, not to sue in the future. On top of that the list of maintenance needed every 20,000 km is just outrageous and doesn’t exist in the world of Tesla. Shouldn’t expected more from a country that’s notorious of spying and stealing patents and hacking into companies and downloading their research and development’s only to build an inferior model and sell it cheaper to the world. These Chinese cars are lowering safety standards across the field when a lot of brands are selling cars with zero crash testing and so on. Save your time and money and effort, and buy something else.
Hi Tom and Joy.
Great to see what the missus has to say, a woman's perspective on any car is always different to a blokes. My wife just got the Atto3 and she loves everything about it. When she let's me drive I enjoy giving it a bit more 'stick'. I think it handles really well, that battery on a low centre of gravity gives it a feeling like she's on rails.
All the range / charger anxiety isn't an issue with us, because we still have the ICE Pajero, which now seems so noisy and stinky, but good for longer, dirt roads when we go travelling.
We use the Atto3 for everyday run arounds and typically no more than 40km/day. We've only recharged with the supplied 8 amp granny, whilst we're producing solar power from our 6kW PV array on the house. So, it's not cost us anything to recharge and we haven't used any coal.
The price difference between BYD and Tesla is quite significant and that's why comparing the two makes is not really a good idea.
Love all the reviews though, thanks.
Thanks for sharing your experience Grant! I agree, always great to have Joy’s perspective on the cars we review. Great that you’ve got solar at home, helps to offset charging costs for sure 👍
Enjoy the BYD!
We completed a 7,000km trip thru Vic, NSW and QLD a few months ago in our M3 LR. No issues with charging as this was mostly done thru destination chargers at motels, Hotels etc. Used the Tesla super charger network a few times but the charging cost is higher so preferred to use other options where possible. Overall our charging cost was $40 for the entire trip. The model-3 is a very comfortable vehicle and happy we purchased this vehicle.
$40 for 7000km is very impressive!
How did you manage to do the trip spending only just $40?
Assuming destination charging is included in the hotel price, in reality would only be a few $
@@Dan007LoveKhmerMusic because they used chargers at things like hotels. The are 'free' to use for people who stay there.
Great Video Tom! The one thing that buyers forget in their purchasing decision is purely sticker price NOT TCO which is what fleet managers look at over say 5yrs or even 10yrs depending on how long they keep vehicles generally. Where lower price ICE vehicles become more costly when TCO is taken into consideration. There is a 3rd party Frunk for the Atto 3 available, there may be more options now than there was originally. I think it comes down to budget in the end, for myself that's a $20k difference which I would rather have the $20k for travel or other things than into car payments.
Yup TCO is important when comparing EV with ICE
Hi TassieEV
Can you share info for aftermarket frunk please! Thank you
The BYD Blade battery should be mentioned as it is safer, longer lasting & able to charge to 100% with no problems
The model Y standard range uses the same BYD LFC batteries.
if atto3 drops price to below 40k aud, then it will rule the market. byd can do that if it sells directly without a middleman.
not only "middle man" but the government taxes as well.
The issue is the BYD is terrible quality wise. Look up BYD quality and you'd be shocked. Teslas have a lot of cosmetic defects sure but BYD has serious structural issues.
@@baphomathedude8057bullshit
I have both m3 and atto. 2 points the power consumption for the atto i find is more 15 to 16 kwh per 100 kms and then there is a great sunroof and sunshade that has multiple settings of ventillation opening. Value for money the atto is remarkable
Powered sunshade/roof opening is a nice inclusion in the BYD
Good review as always thanks!
Really the bottom line is the price difference - $20,000+ is a lot more to pay for just a few more features.
Thanks!
Slightly off topic, but, having just owned one of the budget, I mean, most affordable, EV’s in Australia, I can say the experience is still a nightmare, with a dealer and manufacturer not wanting to admit to the many faults of the vehicle. Which leads me onto the point of, cheaper does not mean better. What is the BYD going to look like after 5 years of driving? Australia is short on EV’s at the price point the masses need them, until then, Tesla is the most halfway suitable.
@@seanm4405half of Tesla uses cobalt batteries, whereas all Byd uses LFP.
Would be interesting if you can get a friend whose never driven, or considered an EV and get them to drive a few types and see what they think. The comparisons are interesting, but you’ll always have a biase and a range of personal experiences to fall back on, where that first time EV shopper may have nothing to fall back on and have to make a choice based on first impressions.
Good suggestion
Recently had the free 3 month safety service BYD provides. Living 250 km away from the only Victorian service centre make it a pain, so glad I won't have another service for 10 months. Did an OTA on the Atto 3 yesterday...went smoothly, took about half an hour.
Yes the OTA update was easy enough to implement for us too 👍
I am buying Atto 3 because I think it’s narrower than either Tesla (my parking space is narrow). Tom, I think you said Model 3 is narrower but I saw a wider measurement for Model 3 (including wing mirrors).
Yes you're right, I had quoted without mirrors. Tesla website states 2088mm including mirrors; 1933mm with folded mirrors and 1849mm excluding mirrors. Whereas Atto 3 is 1875mm with mirrors. Good spot
Thanks for the video Tom and Joy, was considering the atto but concerns over the product support and warranty, like 3 year warranty on suspension components. To me that’s sounds like they don’t believe it will handle Aussie roads or is it an EV direct thing, apparently the Kiwis have a much better deal. Bad enough we are constantly flogged by them in the rugby 😆 cheers
Pleasure and yes there are many hesitant over the warranty and servicing issues for the Atto 3
One year on since you made this as it’s still spot on.
I am trying to determine what to buy between Model Y, Model 3 and Atto 3.
I currently have the BYD in my garage as a hire car.
I think this has confirmed Model 3 for me. Was very interested in the long distance space feedback on your trips. I assumed the Model 3 would have been the smaller than the Atto 3,but perhaps its boot is bigger than I thought.
Thanks so much. 👍🏽
If you’re going to do long drives, save yourself the hassle and buy the Tesla. The current 2022/3 Atto 3 has incompatibility issues with V3/4 Tesla superchargers which are yet to be resolved by BYD
I agree with you that the BYD is better except for the future FSD, which I don't think we will ever have in Egypt. I hope that you get FSD soon in Australia. Best regards from Egypt.
Thanks! Let’s hope FSD rolls out for all
A little more discussion about the battery systems would be good in this comparison, as they are quite different. My understanding is that there are substantial benefits to lithium iron phosphate in general, and in the blade battery in particular. It was a big factor for me in choosing the Atto3. Battery life may also be much better, although time will eventually tell.
Good suggestion
Thanks Tom and Joy for the comparison.. one other key difference is towing capacity.. atto 3 being rated for 750kg braked and model y 1.6 tonnes
Yes great point
I have a BYD I found the different lay out of the model Y made the test drive unpleasant.
Also I am still driving an ICE car and the BYD means less difference changing back and forth.
I just want comfortable transport from the car and the BYD is quite adequate.
I would agree that the present charging network for non Teslas can be challenging
Good feedback Don. Agreed it takes some getting used to when driving a Tesla whereas with BYD, the transition from ICE is easier
Really enjoy your channel.
Been following Tesla since first seeing one in Florida while on holidays in 2013.
At age 72, I ordered a Red MY Performance 2 hours after launch here in Oz.
Am in Moruya and hope to catch up with you around delivery time in Sydney.
That’s exciting! I will be at Fully Charged Live in Sydney - if you’re around, come say G’day!
@@LudicrousFeed Will do..
@@ptrsrrll Hi Peter. Interesting reading which MY you've bought. You're slightly more senior in age to me as I've just turned 65. I too have purchased a MY but only the RWD standard option in white. After reading about your purchase, I'm wondering if i should have gone for the same MY version. I feel as though I aspire to the car with all the bells and whistles but have ended up buying the version with all the plastic covers in place where the switches go on the top of the range model. A constant reminder that "I should have worked harder!"
@@LouDeVere I think it is always good to have a goal.
In my case, I've always been around motorsport and still race Go Karts.
So, once I saved up enough money, the Performance was the one.
Also ordered FSD..🙂
this is by far the best review of the cars so far, you both have done a great job with all the info covered and without any bias. wished more reviews were as honest as this one is. WELL DONE
Thanks for the kind words and I’m glad you found it helpful 🙏
Tom. I was wondering if you had any experience using a Model 3 Long Range as a daily driver.
What I’m trying to find out is the 10-80% driving range.
If I’m only charging between these limits does it mean the daily range is around 360 kms ?
I still have a Model S 70D with a NMC chemistry. For many years I just charged to 80% for my daily use which was enough. If ever I needed more charge for the day, I would then slide it to a higher requirement as needed.
Test drove the Atto3 today and noticed a low humming noise from the motor at low speed! Tom, do you have an explanation for that? BYD tells me it's expected to stop at about 30k km? Does anyone have a similar experience?
Yes low speed pedestrian warning sound for safety. More obvious in an enclosed space like a basement carpark
Very good summary. I just hope the charging facilities can be greatly improved and well maintained.
Me too
You're calling the screen in front of the BYD's steering wheel a "head up display". It isn't that, it's a normal screen - a head-up-display is normally an image that is projected onto the windscreen using a reflection or similar. Please clarify this as viewers may think the BYD actually comes with a HUD.
Thanks Cam noted - I’ve altered the pinned comment and description accordingly. When I mention HUD, I’m really referring to a binnacle
I do not think the value proposition to buy a new electric car is there even for these cars . For 50k you can get a good Tucson for example. It will depreciate much less and you would not have to worry on longer trips. Maintenance and fuel cost saving on EV are greatly offset by the depreciation, cost of insurance, extra cost for tyres. The value proposition is there only with a novated lease and incentives. This is why I got a model y but other than that I would carefully consider to go EV for a new car
I’m just happy I don’t need to go to a petrol station 😁
A very good review. I think you need to also take into account resale value. The true cost of the car is what you paid minus what you sell it for. I know the numbers are not available yet but I suspect the Tesla will have the better resale thus reducing the price difference. Tesla also has the big advantage of the supercharger network. I’m surprised they are opening it up as it’s their big advantage when purchasing.
Yup definitely too early to tell for resale of BYD.
I hear so much about the Supercharger network advantage, but in reality, most Tesla drivers now have an option and are choosing to not pay for Superchargers. Read the grumpy posts from EV drivers having to queue for public chargers full of Teslas while the Tesla superchargers down the road are empty. I have nothing against Tesla drivers using free or cheaper charging options, heck I would too if I were them, but I don’t think they are the selling point they were years ago. The only way to keep those tesla chargers serviceable and open is to unlock them so they can make money off everyone.
Also when comparing cost of ownership, don't forget the 20k you save on a BYD over a Tesla earns 9.8% return on the stock market.
@@tilecreature buy Tesla shares
I don't think this is a fair comparison. The Atto 3 is not a competitor to Tesla. I would have compared the BYD Seal maybe.
Fair point. But clearly some people want to know whether it’s worth forking out the extra $ for a Tesla
I think charge speed being much slower , front wheel drive only , acceleration , 3rd party servicing and the generic standard tyres of the ATTO 3 probably make a Tesla a better option . Not to much resale and the fact that Tesla continue to push out updates to older vehicles. BYD will be a player to what extent will be interesting.
Agreed re: your points. BYD will definitely be a significant player in the Aus market
Lets not forget the byd is $20k cheaper to begin with and insurance is roughly half the price
@@johnnie5wreckingyard Is it with todays prize, didnt Tesla cut the prize in Aus like in rest of the world? Like 2 weeks ago in Chaina and one week ago now in Europe...and even US.
And what about service...do BYD need to do that like allmost every other carmakers have? Tesla took that away yeasr ago and there you save a lot of cash
@@tonyalbertsson919 Tesla did cut prices but they had also put them up recently - by more than the price cut. When I bought ny M3 RWD it was $59,990 + on roads. It's now $63,990 + on roads after the price cut. I think they moved prices further in Europe and China. We don't have MY LR yet.
@@tonyalbertsson919 yes thats with todays “prize” and depending on what model and spec you are prob closer to $25k saving , in fact tesla can easily be 50% more
Yes there is a price for service but with the money you save on the insurance you will still have some left over even after the service
特斯拉23年就要在中国推出10-12W人民币的车了。中国车企明年有一场硬仗要打。但是这个对全世界的电动汽车行业是大利好，这必将推动电动汽车行业大跨越。
The more competition the better for us consumers 👍
There is an interesting article in today's Sun-Herald about driving a Polestar 2 from Sydney to Perth. It concurs with your comments about charging infrastructure.
From what I can read, over the next 12 months or so there will be a reasonable choice of EVs for Australians to buy. All of which will be good - some even great. Personal preference will be the deciding factor. However, while it is improving, the availability and reliability of the DC charging infrastructure will be what determines the EV driving experience when not using just home charging.
PS: was the cafe in St Ives Showground open?
We didn’t stop to check sorry!
Nice comparison, Tom and Joy. I think a heads up display is projected onto the windscreen. I would call the screen in the BYD a binnacle.
Ah yes thanks Michael! I’ve altered the pinned comment and description accordingly 👍
Another great review video guys!! Loving this channel. One thing that seems to be missed though is towing capability on EVs. What does the BYD and Tesla offer here? Or at least the ability to fit a tow bar for carrying bicycles, etc. Plus ground clearance can be a deciding factor on what EV you would choose, especially for those with steep driveways or just the confidence you're not going to scrub your front bumper in shopping centre carparks, etc.
Yup great points. EV Stealth Solutions offer after market solutions for EV towing in Australia. Tesla offer in-house tow kits for Model Y.
Yes EVs generally have a lower ground clearance when compared to their ICE equivalents given their skateboard battery design
Just confirming what range did you get out of the BYD .480 km is stated on website ?
400km mixed urban use
Check out my vid:
BYD ATTO 3 ELECTRIC CAR REAL WORLD RANGE TEST Australia | January 2023
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I have owned a model Y for almost a year now, and we need a new car. So I went for a Atto 3 test drive today with the intent of buying one as a 2nd car. We ended up getting another Tesla, here are the pros and cons I came up with as I tried to push myself into getting the cheaper Atto 3.
CONS:
No phone key, have to use a physical key (and you only get 1, $400 for an extra)
Terrible tires (borderline unsafe in the wet) (decent tires are about $1800)
No seat/wheel position memory
No automatic driver profiles
No support for multiple spotify (or any media) accounts
Less power/performance
Front wheel drive (feels worse to drive, you get torque steering when accelerating, less controllable)
Worse lane centering/cruise control
Much less storage
No one pedal driving
No semi-automatic indicators
No always on dash cam (sentry mode)
Barely any functionality from the phone app
Requires actual servicing (I asked what they did, basically nothing + some filters)
80 kw p/h max charge speeds (Teslas are over 200 kw p/h)
Doesn't handle as well when driving, a bit touchy and jumpy both in braking and accelerating.
Can't limit the height of the auto open boot by location
Infotainment system is balls, software is terrible in comparison
More reliabity issues (still not too bad compared to other cars)
Built in navigation is meh, satilite connection is spotty.
Stuck using third party chargers, not able to use the Tesla charger network
Speakers are meh
Less real world range than a similar Tesla
Can't change the volume of the indicators, they are stupidly loud.
PROS:
25% cheaper than a new Tesla
Android auto support
Built in 240v powerpoint
Has an OEM heads up display.
All good points thanks for sharing
You don't need to use a key with the Atto 3. Put it in your pocket and you can unlock it. It's a proximity key. Same goes with starting. If the key is close just press start with foot on the brake. Fob never needs to leave your pocket.
I don't notice the power difference between the Y and Atto 3. Who is going to stamp it above 100 kW?
Atto 3s rigid servicing schedule and costs are a significant factor.
Joy nailed it with her her last comment about doing trips and unreliable charging networks. I think everyone that buys a non Tesla regrets their diction as soon as they go on a trip.
Certainly makes EV journeys within the Supercharger corridors easier in a Tesla!
I want to drive a car NOT to driven by the car,come on awd Seal (Atto4)
What’s with the ‘ludicrous’? Your video are very sensible/balanced/informative.
Ah yes my channel name’s origin story! Basically EVs were considered ludicrous back when I started the channel, they’d never work etc!
But also it was an homage to the first launch mode for the Tesla Model S ie Ludicrous Speed, which in itself was an homage to the original reference from the movie, Space Balls
Nice byd etc.
👍
The warranty with the Atto3 in AU was a EV Direct thing. Look at the warranty in NZ - leaps & bounds better just like the Tesla.
I think once you leave the heavily travelled east cost of AU the superchargers do not exist in the same quantity/distance. So the charging monopoly debate starts to wear thin. Plus with the recently announced government grant, Tesla will need to open up their chargers to all EVs even if not at all the stalls at a site.
I think the Seal will compete very well with the Tesla M3 when it arrives. It looks leaps & bounds better too.
The BYD comes with a free UMC. While Tesla wants $550 for one unless your delivery is in Q1 2023. The other option is a wall charger with both cars.
People buy the Tesla for the tech rather than anything else where it does excel at.
Good points
We’ll have to revisit this comparison once the SC network opens to all
Oh had to get my glasses out as the apple car play was super blurry at the start 😅
😁
@@LudicrousFeed 🤣🤣🤣🫣 🤫
if tesla supercharging open up to non tesla ev, even more compelling reason to get atto3.
It’s fine , u we’re driving through Mona vale
Close
3:36 I clocked my atto3 0-100 @ 6.8seconds using the stock Batman tyres …Maybe because they work better at nighttime 🤷♂️ 😂
Gee that’s not bad
Same here, exactly 6.8 seconds and in the day and dry.
Thanks for a great Clip. As a Holden Volt owner I really enjoyed your video . For me i will be keeping my Volt towards the end of the decade by then many more electric car choices thanks 😊
Definitely looking forward to more choice 😁
I drive an Atto 3 here in China. Can anyone
confirm that when the car is plugged and
charging at a fast charger and you are inside the car with the engine on and the AC on there is a loud running noise comming from the front hood like an engine or something. I got the same noise when I start the AC remotely from the BYD app to cool down the car before I reach to it in the parking lot during hot days. When I drive the car normally I don't hear that sound. Also I noticed that when I increase the AC fan speed the noise is louder. Is it the heat pump? Why I don’t hear this noise when I drive the car normally with the AC on? Is this normal?
Thanks!
One of the best videos of many I've seen on these cars. Firstly, real user experience over a long time in a Tesla, secondly, road trip BYD driving in Aus and thirdly the compare and contest.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it 😃
Atto3 is only $38000aud in China while $51000 in Australia
Maybe because that's where they are made 🙄.. Welcome to import costs/tax
Curious, as to why you blurred out the screen, looked like a map was displayed.
For some reason Waze glitched and froze on my house 🤣
I only noticed it during editing
@@LudicrousFeed lol you wouldnt want that shared around the world.🤣🤣
Good stuff. Would like more information on safety features and ratings for the compared cars.
I drove a number of EV’s before buying our BYD Atto 3 , 3 months ago. I have been absolutely blown away by the value for money of the Atto. We have had no problems with the car and will seriously consider a BYD Seal when they arrive. Our other car is a Mercedes GLC 300 Coupe.
The EV I was expecting to buy for our city run around was the Mercedes EQA 250. I was shocked at the price compared to the Atto and the compromises in the EQA. I wonder how the Atto and EQA would would rank in a test even though one is at the cheap end and one is supposedly premium. Maybe you could do a comparison.
I also drove both Tesla 3 and Y and seriously had my finger poised over the buy button a few times. What held me back mostly (so far anyway) was the feeling that they were not premium feeling for the premium price and the ride quality I could not live with in the performance variants.
Have been enjoying your channel.
I’m about to to have both models 3/ y next month. It will be great to catch up with you next month in Sydney.
Congrats and enjoy the delivery!
I will be at Fully Charged Live in Sydney March 2023 - for all who are attending, come say G’day 👋
It all comes down to what you need your Ev for and the price. My Atto 3 is a city car it won't be going over any state borders on a long road trip
If I need to cross state borders I fly and hire a car there if I need one, this is what I have done for the past 20 years, so there are some of us out there that don't do long road trips, so how fast its chargers is irrelevant and most smart people who do, would plan their charging times around rest breaks.
It would be good Tom if you did some other Ev comparisons against the Tesla model 3 and Y with the MG ZS EV, Polestar and the MG 4 when it's available, so you just don't seem to be singling out the Atto 3.
On a side note, my 2022 Atto 3 is $3,630 cheaper than the prices you quoted against the Tesla model 3 and Y as I could have ordered all 3 Evs in 2022.
I’m thankful to EV direct for loaning us the Atto 3 for an extended period of time hence I felt confident enough to be able to provide a fair comparison against the 3/Y. I’d be happy to do the same for the other brands should the same opportunity arise in the future
@Ludicrous Feed let's be honest Tom the Atto 3 is in a different vehicle category to both Tesla models. A more direct comparison would be between the BYD Seal sedan and the Tesla model 3 and the BYD Sealion if it gets sold here against the Tesla model Y.
@@Peter-vn8ue Good point and I’d be happy to compare both cars when they eventually launch in Aus 👍
Thanks Tom and Joy, love this comparison video. Perhaps an ANCAP comparison would be interesting here too. Cheers
Thanks Daniele! Consumers can be assured both have a 5-star ANCAP rating 👍
@@LudicrousFeed true, when digging down into the ANCAP assessment scores Tesla has a better safety rating. Once again great video thank you.
Great video Tom. MY towing capability us a big one over Atto 3.
Thanks! Yes towing capacity is certainly higher in the Y
Looking forward to my Atto 3 delivery, finding it tricky to maintain patience... Already upgraded the home solar PV from 3 to 10kw, and gearing up to install level 2 home charging. As an electrician was swayed to the Atto 3 from Tesla option due to V2L, but was disappointed to discover the Atto 3 's V2L output is only 220V AC. This is too low for some applications/appliances and I think a deliberate choice by BYD to disable using it to run an off grid weekend cabin or time shifting electricity use in a custom V2H set up. It will run resistive loads, camping fridges, computers etc, but might struggle with portable induction cooktops. Can anyone try to test run a portable induction cooktop please? That way I can ditch the camping gas stove.
Thanks Tom and Joy!
Hmm actually I have a portable induction stove so maybe I’ll try it when I next get the Atto 3 😃
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks Tom
I just found a "Dune" branded single zone portable induction cooktop that will run off 220V-240V on the Anaconda website... Nevertheless, they shouldn't be selling the BYD here with the inverter output voltage set so low as this low voltage could damage some equipment. Australia is 230V nominal as the supply standard. Why isn't the inverter outputting a compliant voltage level?
@@sparkytas 220V is a compliant level. Our DNSP's, are legally obliged to keep our voltage between 230V -6%, +15%. 216.2V is our minimum compliant voltage. Nearly every electrical product you buy will have a voltage range between 220-240V.
Good comparison talk. What do you think of Nio EC6 and Xpeng P9 if they are coming in next year?
No word as yet but I’d love to see them in Australia
@@LudicrousFeed as much i wanna know how much would it cost in Australia. Because if Atto 3 cost 51k and Model Y 69k will Nio EC6 be around 60K and which one is more hotter to take? And as for Xpeng P9 most probably close to Atto3 around 50K I would definately take P9 over Atto 3.
Thanks for this review. I have a Atto 3 and have just ordered a MY. It's funny how the two vehicles external dimensions are so similar and yet the MY seems to be so much bigger, especially inside. The available load space in the rear of the MY is cavernous! The Model Y drive I thought superior to the Atto 3 and felt more firm but I really do enjoy the Atto 3 too. Both are wonderful EVs.
Glad it was helpful!
I am a Regional Vic. Atto3 owner. I am now well overdue for 5k service. No regional service centres in Vic. Looks like back to Dandenong for car service .
I don’t think the Atto3 should be compared to the Tesla models, it competes more with the Kia Niro or Hyundai Kona. Maybe when the Atto4 is released you could compare to Tesla.
Atto 4/Seal vs Tesla Model 3 will be a good comparison
Good comparison Tom…but I agree it’s like comparing apples & oranges until the Atto 4 arrives.
Many people are wondering whether it’s worth the stretch hence we’re showing why it’s worth or not worth the extra dollars
So basically the model 3 is the best bang for buck out of all of them.
It's a risky task for taking a non Tesla for big road trips. Took a Model X Performance on a 2000km road trip recently with few stops and non range anxiety at all.
Agreed, having just driven from Sydney to Melbourne and back again in the Atto 3
sorry, why is it risky?
Best video comparison for those vehicles I've seen so far.
Thanks!
Waiting for a single year used one seems like a good option for a second car.
I don't think it will hold its value very well.
Buying a late model used car is usually good value 👍
With the new updates, Tesla do shows third party charging stations on the map as well.
Model Y on order
Nice!
This is an exemplary reveal but it makes one aware of how fortunate our generation of consumers are when we're splitting hairs on remarkable vehicles. Subjective is the key word indeed.
We’re fortunate indeed
Good review (happy owner Tesla M3)
👍😃
Also, Auto sensing wipers missing in Atto 3. It was available in a car I had in 2014. Also, how to keep that foamy muscle looking white thing clean.
Yes good point auto wipers not present currently in 2023. I find a wet wipe or equivalent sanitation cloth useful in keeping stains away
Thanks Tom and Joy. Bit like education over here if you have the extra money go for more expensive i.e. private/Tesla. Both will get you there.
Good analogy
Hi gentleman,
I purchased ATTO 3 after watching your video in Sydney.
One question please about charging cable connecting charging station (chargefox),
"32A 7kW 1phase", "16A 11kW 1phase", or "32A 22kW 3phase"?
Thanks a lot
For Atto 3, all you need is 32A 7kW 1 phase because that's the max the car can handle. However for future proofing it may be worth purchasing either the 11kW or 22kW cable if you ever change to a different car one day
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks a lot
5:25 can confirm the atto3 boot space is smaller
Reminds me more of a Corolla boot size (maybe slightly larger)
But compared to my outlander phev , the atto3 boot feels tiny
The Y boot space certainly feels larger compared to Atto 3
You really need to mention to non AussieS the massive numerical difference between Aussie dollars and US dollars.
Thanks - a quick Google search will tell you the current currency exchange
Hey Tom, I'm debating whether to get a Model Y or wait for the BYD Seal to launch. I like the seal, but BYD's software is a major concern for me. Having owned Tesla's and driven the BYD, do you think the software is a dealbreaker?
Tesla native software is better no doubt but BYD’s ability to use Apple CarPlay helps to overcome this difference
@@LudicrousFeed Amazing! Thanks Tom, you're a legend!
We Currently have a Model 3 LR & ATTO 3 LR on order ,
Nice! Best of both worlds 🤩
@@LudicrousFeed Hopefully , Currently own a Holden Volt, Mrs fell in love with EV and Ordered the Atto 3 around 6 Months ago, currently in build phase. I Ordered the Model 3 long range in Late November, already landed and transport has just been organised.
Thanks for the video.
How can you say that TMY and Atto3nare simulator size.. the BYD is much smaller.
After the price reduction from Tesla, the rwd 3/Y are basically the same price as Atto 3 in Denmark, so bye bye BYD. Ant the price gap to the LR models are relatively small.
The Tesla price drop in Australia was not as dramatic as it was in US and Europe so at present, the Atto 3 is significantly less expensive than Tesla 3/Y
@@LudicrousFeed too bad for you. I've had s TMY LR for little over a year and just sat in a Atto 3. I did not like the interior.
BTW in Europe i can see 3rd party DC chargers on the navigation.
Tesla are reducing prices because of competition as they are overpriced for an ugly boring car. Not sure why you are saying bye bye BYD not everyone likes giving money to Musk, thats why sales of tesla are down in the US
@@craigk1328 BYD is simply not in the same league.
Tesla is different from all legacy Auto brands. But it's on par with most i terms of quality.
But when it comes to efficiently and the Electric parts, Tesla are at the very top.
Style and looks are subjective.
@@hgh425 LOL tell me you are a fan boy without telling me you are a fan boy. the same quality as other car brands? I had a good laugh at that statement. its a blob and you are giving money to a Man child :(
Hi @ludicrous do you know of any after market installers such as for the driver dashboard?
Yup check out the details for our Sydney installer in this video:
TESLA MODEL 3 POWER FRUNK HANSSHOW INSTALLATION & TEST AUSTRALIA 2022
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No issues with first service- had to get new sim as was not getting the OTA update and they did updates 13:38
Great to hear
Good comparison, but no mention of towing capability, one of the reasons we ordered the model y.
Yes the Y has a greater towing capacity over the Atto 3 (1600kg v 750kg)