DON'T DO THIS: Teaching Myself How To Spin an Airplane!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF! (without proper instruction)!
If you try to teach yourself how to spin an airplane without any formal training, like I did here, you could kill yourself. Even my buddy Jim was telling me I shouldn't... but I did anyway ;)
I spent probably 20 hours over the last 6 months preparing for this. I read as much as I could find on spin recovery.
I watched youtube videos of instructors actually teaching students how to spin and recover.
I watched videos of this specific aircraft doing spins, to get used to what it will look like.
I read many news articles and stories of people who spun in their aircraft, mostly unintentionally, and died, and learned why.
I talked to the guys at my field whenever I had a chance about how to get out of a spin, and what to watch out for.
This is not something i just got up and tried one day. I basically did everything that a normal student would do to prepare for spin training on the ground, and probably more. The only things I did not do were:
1) I had never ever been inside an aircraft in a spin prior to this, and
2) I did not have an instructor with me onboard to recover for me if things went bad.
Those last two things would go a long way for you if you want to learn spin recovery.
I didn't follow my own advice, but I don't have any kids, either ;)
Enjoy the show!
This guy is so so far from being ready to do spins...His contact says “ Ahhh..I think that’s right?? “ My training was when I was 14 years old..In a Belanca....And I was with a very seasoned instructor.....AND, I had quite a decent amount of flying under my belt...AND, my instructor had been showing me stalls, spins, banking stall spins...Then when I started training for spins I went to a stronger more forgiving aircraft....WITH an Instructor...Not some sack of rags?? Hooked together with bailing wire??? Sorry, these things are on the absolute edge of safe...At best..He lands and never contacted the ground?? WTF kind of Base Operation is this??
So in the last 4 years since I first did spins in this aircraft, I am still doing spins and handling them no problem. However, people like you should definitely get tons of training before attempting such a daring death defying feat. You are not me. Do what I say, not what I do. And I say do not attempt this. Me? No problem. You? You would die. For sure. PS You don;t need to contact "ground" when landing at an uncontrolled airport, you nitwit. Da hell kind of uneducated pilot are you?
So in America, we don’t have to do spins unless you’re going for CFI, but honestly, like a lot of pilots say it’s probably a good idea to get spin training with an instructor after your private, because you never know when you’ll execute a go around and suddenly enter a power on stall without paying attention to right rudder. He’s in a single seat 103 plane, if he wanted to do spin training with an instructor he’d need to do it in an LSA, which won’t have the same feel, and probably be a bit more difficult. Also the airplane is spin rated(unless he is lying), which means it can handle the load factors of a spin. Personally though, I still think I’d rather just practice them in Cessnas than in an ultralight with no one around to help(unless I get into one unintentionally while solo).
If you're a "pilot" that doesn't know what an ultra-light or uncontrolled airspace/airport is than I have to question if you're even a pilot at all. Flight sim kiddies know this stuff. Ultra-lights are safe if properly cared for, just like regular airplanes.
your comment made me laugh... i was pleading for the guys life haha
This is a Phantom X1, which is tested to 9+ G/6- G and can handle full aerobatics with the right fuel system. They have won awards at Oshkosh. Look them up at phantom aeronautics on the web. As far as spin training goes, every student pilot should have to be able to perform spins before they get their certificate. I was doing spins in a 150 within the first few flights. This is what happens when you train with someone that taught combat maneuvers two World War II Pilots. Most students today don't know how to use the rudder after they finish their training, which is sad and dangerous.
"I know its right because I've been reading about it online" Love it.
"i know it's right cause ive been reading online about it"-famous last words
There are some people who believe everything they hear, whether it's from their mother, a tabloid, or the Internet. Then there are people like myself, who don't believe a damn thing anybody says until the information is checked, cross-checked, and verified from multiple reliable sources. I question EVERYTHING I hear. That said, the comment I made to Jim about learning it on the Internet was mostly dry humor (sarcasm). It's one of my most favorite quotes, and the reason it is humorous is because there is such a preponderance of mis-information out there on every subject imaginable. The nice thing about aviation is that this sector is made up mostly of intelligent individuals who have high regard for disseminating accurate information. Our lives depend on it. Every time I have encountered a major problem or question regarding aviation in general or my specific aircraft, it has been relatively easy to glean incredibly useful advice and facts from many online sources. I would not even be flying right now if the Internet never had developed into what it is today, and that is the truth. The trick is, can you separate the wheat from the chaff?
Green Cow Ah said ma momma alweys sed laf wuz laik a box of... ah fuck it. whatever.
I read somewhere on the internet that that was supposed to be a joke. ;)
"online"
In case a wing broke off do you have a parachute?
When I did spin recovery training the hardest part was to let the plane do a full rotation before implementing the recovery. It was difficult to do nothing but wait
same for me, fun times back then:)
Hell yeah! Spins are scary as hell lol
"There are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old bold pilots" I guess this is the crux of the discussion, but we should never forget that someone, somewhere, a long time ago, actually went out for the first time and learnt how to spin an aircraft before anyone else did. Nowadays, as you have done, we can learn from the knowledge and experience that has been passed down the years as a result. So I'm quite happy that you took the time to thoroughly research spinning before you committed to doing it, but I don't think I'd be brave enough to do it myself without proper instruction and someone skilled in the procedure to hold my hand (I don't fly single seat).
It was commonly believed in WW1 that if you got in a spin you were done for. I think the red baron was one of the first to recover from one.
No negative comment.
People have the right to choose their own way of dying.
Right
Apparently, 90 people who have watched this get sick on roller coasters, and always ask for airsickness bags when they board an airliner....either that or they are jealous AF.
Or are much more responsible pilots than you.
Yeah maybe they never leave the safety of their mom's house and they sit on their ass all day playing video games and uploading stupid shit Minecraft videos like you.
+glassdogangle tell em! great video man. I want to own an ultralight some day!
Looks like OR
Considering you clearly were not fully briefed on the maneuver, were not given demonstration by an instructor, admitted that it was not a wise idea in the video and proceeded anyhow I would be careful before you sling insults. Textbook definition hazardous attitudes are displayed here.
Great video. I think all pilots should train for spins. And maybe wear a diaper while doing it. Watching you spin made me nervy and I'm in a goddamn recliner. 2.5 turns = 250 ft.lbs of sphincter torque
Nice spin entry and perfect recovery. I've done thousands of spins in a Flightstar ultralight. This is how I learned as well.
I learned spin recovery before I ever solo'd in my Cub. I tell you what though. Forget spins.. Go for a snap roll baby!
Man your humour with yourself is exactly how I talk to myself when freefalling or just before the jump. well done. Your a hoot...
Great job on the spin training and recovery. My only concern would be if your ultralight could handle it. Apparently it did. Looks like it would fall apart during an extended spin.
It is. This is a semi-aerobatic aircraft
Luckily for us, the designers of this aircraft did not build it to "look" strong. They simply built it that way, regardless of the visual appearance. A diamond "looks" like it would shatter if you threw it on the ground, no?
The beauty of living in the USA… no license/training/experience required. You can take as little or as much risk as you like so long as you don’t place others at risk!
To teach yourself Spins and in that contraption.. Youve got huge balls.. PROPS for living through it.
Exactly what I think too
Sir, you clearly have the balls. Nice work. If I was in your shoes, I would hire an aerobatic instructor to teach me to do spin recovery...
+TheGray Aviator --- Don't need no aerobatic instructor. I have the Internet. No, honestly I would not recommend ever spinning an aircraft without getting some instruction first. Most people should not do this. However, I have jumped off of cliffs without an instructor. I learned to dive without an instructor. I started 3 businesses without an instructor (or any formal business education). I built my first R/C airplane without an instructor, and I flew it for the first time without an instructor. I taught myself how to program computers back in the mid 80's when I was in the 6th grade. All the other kids were struggling to learn fractions while I was writing my own software on my computer. I built a go kart when I was about 13 without any help, until I needed to buy wheels, when my dad finally helped me. One thing about an instructor: There is hardly anything an instructor can teach you that is not written down somewhere, and in the age of the Internet, the ability for self-learning is virtually unlimited. I watched every video on youtube about spinning an aircraft, the good ones with instructors and dialog, and also all of the crashes. However, you must be very wise when you teach yourself how to do things, or you could die. For example, many years ago I got an R/C aerobatic plane into an intentional flat spin for about the 20th time, and then during this final spin I could not recover, and I fought it all the way down and it crashed. I was thinking about that when I was up there on this flight. However, this ultralight is a completely different airframe compared to that little R/C aerobatic plane that went to heaven.
In Canada spin training is part of normal training. Having done many of them I have trouble understanding why the USA has such fear of them. I was going to get some currency training in the USA and the instructors nearly pissed themselves when I mentioned spins. After doing a few it becomes instinct to recognize the start and are easily prevented, in my opinion the training helps to stay out of Of trouble by recognizing them early. 152, spins easily, the 172 is hard to make spin. Before any aircraft is spun it must be approved for them. there are some that will not recover if you get into a fully developed spin.
I had a sit down with my CFI and I explained to him that even though I'd been checked out and gotten my ticket , even with a few 'mandatory' stall-spin encounters , I really did not feel that I knew where the envelope was for safety. He , having been a military pilot , understood and agreed to take me out in a fully acrobatic airframe and push the envelope. We did both slow and high speed flight 'failures' - stalls as if on-approach , stalls leading to spins both at high speed and slow. When we were done , I was sweatsoaked but I had a much better idea of how far away from exceeding the envelope we usually fly - and what it felt like to go beyond that boundry. Great lesson , great CFI ( now a CFII ).
Years ago, when I was young and stupid, I kept daydreaming about doing an aileron roll in my Quicksilver MXL2 Sport. I'd go over the procedure in my head at night before going to sleep. I had never done any aerobatics. I knew I would have to pick up some speed in a gentle dive, pull up slightly and roll. Sounded good until I tried it for real. Didn't work out so well. I picked up speed, pulled back up slightly, full aileron and coordinated rudder, got half way through the roll, now upside down, and ran out of speed. No more aileron control authority. It just stopped rolling. Thing was draggy and ran out of energy real quick. So I'm upside down, held in only with a lap belt, and I just pulled back on the elevator and came out in a dive and started flying again. Basically, I ended up doing a Split S maneuver, I just didn't know it at the time. Scared the shit out of myself--Stupid. I went and got some aerobatic training after that. Ended up owning a Pitts S1-S years later. Moral of the story, don't do aerobatics in non-aerobatic aircraft, get training. You have a cool ultralight though, a Hurricane I think. I've done aerobatics in one. It's no Pitts, but it's better than trying aerobatics in a Quicksilver.
If I ever try an aileron roll, well first off, I probably wouldn't. I would probably use a generous amount of rudder and try a snap roll instead. However, I already had this thought out, and I would plan a split s to begin with, that way I am not so surprised it I can't get it all the way over. Unlike the Quicksilver, I do have a semi-symmetrical airfoil (some Hurricanes are flat bottom, but mine is the semi-symmetrical version), so it's definitely more capable when upside down. Same thing with loops. I have not done a full loop yet, but I have done a quarter loop while performing a stall-turn or hammerhead. They are a breeze, and since I end up pointing straight down it gives me a good idea how fast this thing can approach Vne. Anyway, so once I get good at doing the split s, I can proceed to a snap roll with confidence. Honestly though, the first move I would make is to slap a BRS chute on it...just in case.
If you have to ask yourself, "should I perform this maneuver?" you probably should not do it. That is not wise at all.
Questions of control authority and the ability to perform and recover from a spin should be answered before leaving the ground. This is how people end up in smoking holes in the ground.
Yeah well I did it and these days the only holes I burn is through the skies while you fly your tin can without ever banking much more than 20 degrees. To each his own. You know when I was about 7 years old I used to jump my first BMX bike by placing two ramps in opposition and my fucking mother used to rag at me from the kitchen window as I moved the jumps farther and farther apart. God I can still hear her fucking voice now... "YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN THE HOSPITAL ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!" Shut up ma. Love ya, but shut the fuck up. (Edit: Whenever I see plane crashes where people die in about 1/10th of a second I feel nothing but envy. I swear to gawd I better not spend my last 6 months on my back, wheezing and safe and hurting and alive and wheezing some more and oh if only I could see the kiddies one more time and oh FUCK I would strangle my fucking nurse if I had to go through that shit. Maybe I will get lucky and end up on the same flight as a box-cutter arab and go out a hero trying to save everyone's ass. Dying simply doesn't scare me much anymore. Been at the gates too damn many times. So if I do a bunch of spins over a bunch of damn fields with nobody but the cows to hear as I buy the farm, it's really my business, ya know. I just got out of the hospital last week with yet another medical condition with a fucking catheter strapped to me for about 4 days, so please don't talk to me about being careful. Sorry if I sound off. It's probably the meds. They have me on Flowmax right now.)
@@glassdogangle if you want to do risky shit then more power to you, but it would be better to figure out things like what altitude you should start at before you leave the ground. Evil kenevil jumped crazy distances on his bike, but at least he did the math before he jumped.
The angle from the starboard camera that shows opposite rudder and neutral ailerons to recover is awesome.
Your spins certainly sent tingles down my spine! Scary stuff... i think more so because the Craft actually looks like it could just snap at any second...... but as you say below, its capable of handling many more Gs!
Could you go into a forward spin, where the craft rolls forward right over, resulting in the top wing surface facing the ground?
As that i could imagine would be quite deadly!! Watching the video i was thinking that might happen!
Just looked it up, into an "inverted spin" attitude ??
Yes this aircraft has semi-symmetrical airfoil and could easily enter into an inverted spin with the right control deflection sequence. However, there is no way I am going to intentionally enter an inverted spin. Not until I become a fully trained aerobatic pilot in my next life.
Here's my piece of advice. If you're about to do something but you got that feeling in your stomach, don't do it. I was about to do a solo flight one day, had the plane started up and everything. But my instructor said not to fly in 10 knots of wind or more. Sure enough I listened to ASOS and it was over 10. I really wanted to fly especially since I had it started but I decided not to because of that feeling. It may be nothing sometimes, but better safe then sorry.
Well done. I admire your adventurous spirit. I did my first solo flight in my MiniMax which was freshly built & never flown...against advice from many, but I knew the plane was sound, and that I could fly it. I checked on lessons on unusual attitude recovery, and prices were outrageous and planes too big and heavy, so I learned on my own. Great video!
I entered an intentional spin over a training area at around 5000ft in a clipped wing Tri Pacer to demo the recovery technique to my mate who owned the aircraft and I felt everything go wrong from the entry - before that I have never felt what it feels like to have an aircraft seemingly intent on violently hurtling itself to a spot on the ground whilst completely ignoring anything and everything I did to recover and the 'no control; and violence got worse to where I actually felt an overwhelming temptation to just give up and accept what was to come, as it turned out less input was what recovered us, with the idiot behind the controls panicking less the machine started to calm down and then just the gentlest recovery inputs (PARE) had us wings level and stable - my mate wasn't even aware that I had lost the machine and we were going to die. Later discussions suggested that a bad entry (when I felt it wasn't going well and should have aborted) followed by over controlling and panic exacerbated by some nasty tendencies of the type is what nearly did us in. Im glad you could add your experience to the "I learned about flying from that" chapter as I did, in the end it makes us better aviators. Blue skies
Back when I was an instructor, I used to do about 4 or 5 spins per flight with each student pilot, 6 flights per day. That was well over 20 spins per day, every day of the year, spanning a few years. I must have done several thousand spins. But you can bet the cellphone that's strapped to your leg on the video that I wouldn't intentionally spin an ultralight, without prior instruction. I'd just be too scared to do that. Kudos for your courage.
I have seen people do some pretty crazy stuff before, and this project was really pretty tame in comparison. I am actually more safety conscious than you might realize. I don't speed on the road, I don't jump off cliffs or bridges into water, dirt bikes and motorcycles seem too dangerous to me, and I will probably never jump out of an airplane with a parachute on. But this spin practice was born mostly out of necessity. I probably would have had to fly to another state to find anyone with a two-seater ultralight to get some practice in. Also, I felt it was imperative to train myself soon. I believe that NOT getting spin training, and continuing to fly, would be far more dangerous. The last thing I need is to be turning onto final at 700ft agl and having a gust of wind put me into an unintentional spin and then not know what to do to get back out of it. I believe in practicing that head-first slide into home plate long before a situation arises that I am forced to. Otherwise you tumble in and roll like a potato and everyone laughs at you and you get tagged and the umpire calls you out and your team loses... all because you didn't practice for that rare event under safer circumstances.
It drills beautifully, but was in danger of falling into a flat corkscrew. Great corkscrews were with the L 13 Blaník 🙂
Yup, that was me almost 30 years ago in my pre-Hi-Tek Hurricane. None of my CFI's would even show me a spin. I had probably 500 hours in various Ultralights and decided it was time. Like in the video, spins in the Hurricane are pretty benign. If you're going to screw up in an Ultralight, this is the UL to do it in. Super strong and super capable. What a great plane it is. Sure miss mine.
I have a 1/5 scale cub... Balsa and fabric with too much electric power. That plane will spin easy upright or inverted. Once spinning I feed in full throttle (in the upright) and this thing will spin hover and sometimes ascend in the flat spin. That's impressive but hearing the prop noise gets everyone's attention
Makes me nervous watching a tube and wire ultralight do this. Now, I am considering trying it in my wood and fabric 1650 Eros, and I am a trained Aerobat pilot! Also, it spins faster to the right, because that is the direction that engine torque wants to go anyway.
Underneath all the fancy, she's still a MiniMax. Back in the day, I spoke with Wayne Ison on the phone and told him I enjoyed doing incipient spins and accelerated stalls in my MiniMax 1500R. Hahaha...he gave me a minor tongue lashing, and I sought out a rated plane to go for full spins. Beautiful plane BTW.
The designer-builder of that airplane (Jack Britton) died doing spins in that very design . (equipped with floats)
Is that the Lebanon in Oregon? The valley between Eugene and Portland looks like some excellent flying country: flat, low and not too populated. And your speed won't pick up too much while you're in the spin - it starts to pick up when you move the stick forward (break the stall), so don't delay too long pulling out of the subsequent dive. But also don't do too aggressive a pullout, or you risk an accelerated stall.
Yup. Lebanon.
I did a lot of training in a tomahawk out of Lebanon, that was 1982, my instructor was Bob Wolf, just part of the last name, but if you were around there in the 80s you would know him.. have fun..
i heard jim earlier and didnt know which jim it was until you landed. also didnt realize it was the same channel. just realized that is the one that passed away recently. he seemed so young and happy! his energy was really something.
Great that you did it! Flying gliders i did spin training several times, and while some say doing spin training is potentially dangerous. What's even more dangerous is when you don't have it, and you can't make out the difference of a spin and a spiral dive. Some pilots who hadn't done spin training came for a test in our glider, and they all said they knew the difference between spin and spiral dive, but when they tested them some tought they were in a spin when the aircraft was still flying (spiral dive). A spin is pretty easy not notice, your body feels no different than on ground, and the plane around you is autorotaing. there is no increase of airspeed and the g's stay the same. In a spiral dive the speed increases, the g's increase with the speed and you don't get the same "feel" of rotation as you do in a spin.
I agree 100%. I felt it was time to try it. I am glad I did, too. Now I am not so scared of banking really tight when I am up a couple thousand feet, because I know if I accidentally tip stall it and enter a spin I will be able to recover without freaking out. Also, I never knew about the centering aileron thing until I researched spins and recovery in preparation for this. If I had not decided to research the subject and then practice it, to this day I probably would have mistakenly believed one had to use ailerons to stop a spin rather than rudder. I talked the matter over with several of my flying friends in the weeks leading up to my decision to try a spin, and it was actually one of my flying friends that told me to never try using ailerons to stop a spin. That's what piqued my curiosity and motivated me to find out all I could about this #1 killer of pilots. The unexpected stall/spin can be deadly. So it is a good thing to train for this maneuver before it happens accidentally.
I have about 2500 in gliders and single engine complex AC. Stalls are piece of cake. I’ve even inadvertently stalled gliders while circling in a thermal. No big deal but I wouldn’t try a spin without an instructor on board. All my spin training has been in gliders.
I recognise the emotional ride.... spinning a paraglider was way more mundane than my fears would have me believe it would be... stalling it was another story though, it was quite a handful to get it back under control once it had bunched up and started whipping around... two goes at that was enough to last me a lifetime.
Really enjoyed listening to your jibber jabber :)
In the 90s I was very interested in the Hy-Tek Hurricane and obtained a promotional VHS tape. It had some great flying on it. I'll have to see if I can dig it up and post it.
+Todd L --- That would be SWEET! If you can't or are otherwise unable to do this, would you consider letting me tackle the project? I would love to!
you didn't enter into a spin. you only made it to the incipient stage. in a spin airspeed should not increase as your airfoil is in a stalled condition.
Yeah that's probably mostly correct. It may be impossible to enter a fully developed spin with this thing. Well the point was I was doing this so that I could have some practice and know what to expect if it ever tip stalls on me when I turn to final. I like knowing I have to force it do spin. Hey what about the spin at 12:50? I did 2.5 rotations, only dropped 250-300ft altitude, and you can see the airspeed at close to zero the whole time. Was that 2.5 turn one a full spin? Keep in mind there is no stall warning device on this thing, so you aren't going to hear anything.
Watch the spins to the right Ryan, airspeed was static until he broke out of it.
@@glassdogangle Where is your CG? I suspect it is a bit forwards. Not saying it is wrong, in fact it is safer forwards than rearwards. But the plane will perform better with a more aft CG.
i did spin training in a tomahawk - which seemed more aggressive than the spins i see here. I think if you are going to teach yourself spins - your ultralight is the ideal aircraft to do it in.
pgpete pa38 represeeeeennt
This brought back some memories, I used to fly my S-14 into Daniels years ago. I thought things had pretty much died out down there. I hope a chute is on your short list. The Hurricane is a lot of fun. It doesn't really start to get wrapped up until about rotation #3 and it recovers so easily. If you keep your eyes on the instruments it will help keep you from getting dizzy. You said elevator before rudder in your recovery plan, not sure if that's what you actually did or not. If you forward the elevator before stopping the rotation you could possibly put yourself into a high speed spiral. For the recovery just remember PARE:
P-Power idle
A-Ailerons neutral
R-Rudder opposite direction of spin
E-Elevator forward, in the Hurricane just to neutral, some planes you have to go forward of neutral
Can you post something if you know of a day that there will be a lot of activity at Daniels, I'd love to come down and watch the fun.
+No name --- When the weather gets nice, we meet every Monday at the field for a BBQ at 5:30pm. Stop by anytime!
+No name --- I never forward the elevator before neutralizing with rudder, I said it wrong but I did it right. I didn't know that about the high speed spin, though, thanks for the info!
+glassdogangle -Thanks for the info, I'll have to try and make it down. By the way, nice job with the videos.
Spins are really no big deal and they enter a lot slower than you would think. Now if you apply full forward elevator while in the spin, before neutral aileron you can go into an accelerated spin which is aggressive.
Loved your commentary and it was damn funny when you started psyching yourself out, loved the humor! laughed out loud to that one. You did really good with the whole venture. I had the chance to fly a 503 powered hurricane the other day and it is a fine little aircraft. Very well designed and has a really safe and strong feel to it. Not too shabby on the short field stuff either.
Yes it is extremely easy to fly, with excellent stall characteristics. You have to force it to drop a wing.
i beat you in spins but i am on my pc chair, i had to close my eyes .
so this is why the camouflage knickers were invented
lol
Any pilot should have spin recover training before flying solo. There is nothing scary about it if you know what to do and what to expect.
A spin in a microlight. Madness, and it will invalidate his insurance if he kills himself.
Good job.
Two thoughts.
1. Fear is information. Do not ignore it.
2. A good pilot is always learning.
Glad to watch, I'm learning to fly a Quicksilver MX Sprint, this is nice to watch and learn from - THANKS!!! Happy safe flying to you!
--ballistic chute--
My CFI has me doing scary stalls day 1 and I’m glad I did! It’s something one can’t explain to someone who hasn’t experienced it!
Dude u got balls, I just hope u have ballistic chute! I’ve seen those ultralights wings snap off and of course chute deployed luckily for them!
👍🏼
I wasn’t able to fix the microwave, stove or doorbell using online instructions. And that was at sea level.
i'd be more worried about not pulling out soon enough and over-speeding it. I don't think your rig would fair well.. breaking the spin isn't your only risk. What is that things Vne?
The right turn seemed more abrupt. Pretty ballsy.
If you don’t know what you are doing get some proper instruction before doing this. You could over stress the airframe at least, worst meet your maker.
What is the stall speed?
What is the VNE ?
What height are you?
Where are you?
Is it clear ?
How do you go into a spin ?
HOW DO YOU RECOVER ?
Please get some instruction
I think the haters are just trolls looking to be youtube comment professional pilots. Practicing getting out of this situation at a safe altitude is actually the most responsible thing you can do, if and when this does happen to you when you least expect it you already have "muscle memory" to pull yourself out of the spin and live to fly another day. Now with that said I must add that you have some serious balls because I was nervous watching this so cant imagine how hard it was to initiate that very first one but once you did it you felt much more confident about your flying skills which is the whole point, great job bro, love the channel and hope to see many more vids of this airplane in action.
I am a professional pilot and instructor with an aerobatics rating and what he did was really irresponsible.
You are not a professional pilot, instructor, and you have never done a single split S in your life. What is your last name and in what state are you located? I will find out right now if you are lying.
I see the kite strings keeping the wings from folding under normal flight and positive G what happens when he gets inverted with Negative G.... does it fold up like a duck full of shot.
Excellent footage, particularly with the voice description. When I started flying many, years ago, spin training was a requirement here in Canada. Your advice to people, not teaching themselves this manoeuver, is sound.
Yup same in the US. You have to agree though that a lot more folks got killed back then than later when they went to only avoidance and unusual attitude recovery. The basic maneuver is easy but if you screw it up you can overstress an airframe in an instant.
When was spin training for PPL deleted from Canadian regulations???..I bet USA had to do with that..
Training for spins is really something important, I hate how you can even go off with a CPL now without having done any spins.. Although I would have recommended training spins in a 2+ seater aircraft before this, it's always good to be prepared!
Awesome man! I was getting nervous for you! lol My son did those in a T-6 II a few months ago in the Navy. 4 rotations, he said it was insane!
+TheAdkFlyer10 --- T-6 spins would be crazy!
Either you got big balls and you don't care if you die or you just don't fully realize how potentially dangerous executing this aerobatics maneuvers are (even though you mentioned it) without the proper recovery training with an instructor or without knowing if the aircraft is spin approved (which i hope it was not a joke when you said you knew). Even test pilots who have the biggest balls on earth need to be better informed and prepared for the worst, and in the event of an unsuccessful recovery they still have a chance to save themselves by getting out of their aircraft and parachute (if they're not unlucky enough of course) Either your ultra light entered into a spin or not i'm glad nothing turned out bad for you but i'd definitely wouldn't attempt that unless i have a damn parachute and at least 5000 ft below me if i had been you at that moment. Maybe i just love my life so much and i often remember this saying "Airplanes are nearly perfect, the only thing they lack is the ability to forgive" Cheers and fly safe mate!
I did ask an instructor to go along with me, but he balked at the idea of being strapped under the pod.
That instructor is not brave enough, shame:p
nice one, its good to train, so if any emergency occur you know the recovery plan
I escaped a crash landing recently
When I went gliding, 2000 ft to 2500 was enough height to do spins. Your descent rate is very slow. I takes a some time to come down in a spin if you back off the power.
That power in the microlight of course! Not a glider. :)
don’t let anyone give you crap you need this i learned to spin a 152 it scared the hell out of me even with training
Cool video, and in my opinion a responsible thing to do providing the research it done properly! Speaking from a glider/sailplanes perspective (in the UK) we get taught stall and spin recovery thoroughly before solo. The idea is to avoid them of course unless doing them in aerobatics but I make a point of spinning and stalling everything I fly from a high launch providing it's rated for it - I wouldn't want to find out how it behaves for the first time when it's a more critical situation. Good Job!
Didn't hear if pilot had full knowledge if his bird was approved or designed for intentional spins. Ultralights are three axis craft. Didn't hear if there is a rocket parachute , didn't see a manual throw ' shute so, each to his own, but I would have done different on the other end of the radio.
Sit back down in your seat please, sir. Emergency exits are two to the front two to the sides, and two to the rear. Can I get you another pillow?
Spin training in GA is a great idea, you want to recover by 3,000 AGL. Did spins in many GA aircraft from Cessna'a 150/2's to Bellanca Decathlon. They're fun
You're not going to shock cool an engine, if you could and it was really an issue don't you think the manufacturer would put it in the POH or on a placard somewhere on the aircraft?
Good spinning video. Could you describe, in the caption perhaps, how you induced the spin, what the signs of an incipient spin felt like, and how you recovered?
I'm safe behind the goggles, that shit had my stomach turning. A badass you are sir!!! Sweet flight bro.
+SuperBell82 --- Ya FPV is much safer!
+glassdogangle not according to the FAA. LOL
You got lucky.
In an aircraft that really spins well (say, a Pitts), the "recovery" sequence that you outline at 2:45 - push the nose forward and then use opposite rudder will put you into an accelerated spin - not a recovery. Once in an accelerated spin, you can spin all the way into the ground unless you pull the stick back to convert back to a normal, recoverable, spin.
Recall: P A R E. Power off, Ailerons neutral, Rudder, and last of all Elevator. In that order.
Some aircraft are forgiving enough that you can get away with being sloppy. Other - no.
I actually did it correctly, even though it came out wrong when I was explaining it to my friend on the COM. If you actually watch the video, you will see the rudder moves first followed by the elevator during recovery. Also, I did not really mean to say "push the nose forward" because that is definitely misleading and could potentially cause a transition to an inverted spin. In a debrief, I would have used the term "relaxed the back pressure on the elevator" or something similar. Also, I was not using power or ailerons in this maneuver. Thank you for the PARE reminder, though. I thought about putting all this in the above video, but it would have turned an already complicated scene into a convoluted one with a bunch of distracting text all over the place. However, it is important enough to correct this mis-communication, so I am adding an annotation. For the audience, doing this kind of maneuver in any kind of aircraft without instruction is highly dangerous, and I do not recommend it. No way in hell I would spin a Pitts without some intense training over several months with an instructor.
I didn't catch the actual sequence in the video - Thanks for the clarification.
I will start off saying i would love to get a ultralight. Next, first spin i did in a 152 i lost almost 2000 feet......... next thing i would say is dont trust seeing what you see online man! you had it right but get a flight manual for your aircraft or at least something close to it. Either way good flying and have fun!
A flight manual for my aircraft. I will look into that. I do already have the original paper build manual. The Internet is full of misinformation, but if you have good judgement, there is an incredible wealth of information available. Without the Internet, I would not even be flying right now. Everything from finding my airplane via craigslist to troubleshooting engine issues to discovering how to test Dacron. The information I have discovered online has actually made flying so much safer for people like myself. I was about ready to put some duct tape on this hole I found in my wing until I read NTSB reports online about how failing Dacron can cause a fatal crash. In fact, every time I have any kind of question about ultralight flying, I don't go knock on my neighbor's door. I get online and get stuff done! Furthermore, there is not a single thing an instructor can possibly open his or her mouth to tell me, that I cannot also read online through responsible experienced uploaders. Incidentally, after researching where to get my new sails made, I came across a trustworthy outfit in Hemet, CA and talked to a gentleman named Ron, who is going to make new wing covers for me. It's all he does. I asked him if he knew where to find an original construction video for my Hurricane (the original one which normally used to ship with these kits), and he said he had one of the original Hurricane VHS tapes stashed away! He is going to send it to me and let me rip it to DVD, and then I am going to post it online... on UA-cam (the Internet). That way anyone in the world can have help with seeing how their Hurricane was originally constructed for maintenance purposes, etc. I love the Internet... probably as much as flying!
Mmm...i watched this with my parachute on...trust issues...nice one...
Extremely risky. Potentially over stressing the wing and lose half a panel. Rad up on Parks Dive. WW1 RFC pilot who was one of the first to successfully recover from a spin and wrote the first technique
Nice spins. How much cost you to build it? How it works well on grass?
That was awesome. Especially for first time. You had me on pins and needles until I saw how you handled it. That looked freaking fun!!! Nice job!!!!
I wonder how many G's this puts on each wing. They say its pretty light. All you really are doing is falling straight down and rotating while you are doing it, so the only loading on the wings is to move you around in a circle. Its the negative Gs on the wing I would be worried about. And then the positive Gs when recovering.
Thing is, I want to do aileron rolls (basically a victory roll), which are pretty much the same thing as a spin... only you're nose is not pointing straight down, as you rotate, but is point toward the horizon... you dip your nose down, to gain a little more speed, then up, then roll in a full 360 and straigthen out. The thing is, my glider wings are rated for only 2Gs negative, if even that... so yeah, it could get really hairy if it doesn't work, or things go wrong.
Oooh I wouldn't do that. 2 neg Gs is pretty easy to come up with really really quick... for instance if you happen to run out of airspeed as you are inverted, and then inadvertently stall while inverted, and then, god forbid, you try to recover inverted (which could happen). Just so you know, this Hurricane is rated at 9g positive and 6g negative. If my numbers were anywhere near yours I would never have done it. Disclaimer: I am not a glider pilot and know nothing about your aircraft, so it's up to you!
glassdogangle
I haven't tried it, long way off before my plane is finished. dorothy.air-war.org
I am going flying tomorrow in a Mooney Ranger though. I'm so excited!
glassdogangle ...looked like a phantom..?
i want one where and how much? i fly recreational but that sure beats the hell out of straight and level
Awesome videos! I have a Phantom X-1 and love seeing the videos with the Hurricanes, etc.
Nice Phantom! Subbed!
Want some spins?----Try "Dreadlocks In A Flat Spin."
So, normally when going through the training, the maneuver is demonstrated with full or simulated full power in order to allow P-factor to aggravate the spin, then power is pulled to idle to recover. I noticed you appear to pull power idle prior to entry. Intentional?
Are those high mounds that dot the flat fields glacial deposits or something ? Also Lebanon is in New York State right ?
Besides the comments from almost everybody else, nice video and I saw you did it with caution. The aircraft flies so well that it is forgiving. If you were in a Pitts I would suggest getting an instructor.
Nicely done. Keep up with the good work.
You have a very draggy plane so it is unlikely to exceed VNE very quickly and you have plenty of control authority. Some aircraft need you to push with your hand on top of your thigh to help get enough rudder force.
I'd have put some time in with a flight simulator first (nothing fancy - just a joystick & rudder pedals) to build up some muscle memory. I'm going to be taking lessons hopefully next year, but software is a good way to start learning & practicing.
I have been flying desktop simulators since 1984 when all I had was a solid block of blue for the sky and a solid block of green for the ground. Simulators are great teaching tools, especially for learning to watch and interpret the instruments and for flying IFR. But NOT for spins. Even NASA computers cannot accurately predict the random variables that happen in a spin, not to mention the sheer raw energy and power involved.
@@glassdogangle The idea wouldn't be to learn the physics, but to just get a primitive sense of hand-eye coordination. But if you've put lots of time in sims as it is, then you probably have already gotten as much out of it as it has to offer :)
Cheers.
Had me on the edge of my chair here watching, reckon I might need a change of underpants!! :P
+rotormasher --- Ha ha I hear ya man. It's crazy how worried I was before I spun it. Have you ever jumped off a cliff into a river? Did you ever stand there for like 30 minutes watching everyone else doing it, but being to scared, and then finally you just said "f-it" and jumped? Those were my feelings, if not worse, mainly because 5000ft is much higher than a 20ft cliff. I kept looking down, and being certain that if something went wrong (i.e. wing cable snap), I would die.
Oh man, I must be honest I just prayed that the wings didn't fold or anything! You make sure you play safe... Great footage and the radio chat is great, thanks for sharing this love for the clouds! :)
I did a half spin with my instructor during my PPL training. Terrible feeling that I'll never forget!
How do you put your pants on in the morning? Over your giant balls and all?
+Zachary Moore --- Ha ha ha, oh I was worried, for sure. However, my mind was able to overrule my emotions and primal instincts in this situation. PPL training in, say, a Cessna, is a different story. I would never have tried this stunt in a Cessna alone. However, i will also say that the very first time I ever flew was in a 152, and the instructor asked if I wanted him to do a stall. I said "Heck yes!" He did one, and I loved the feeling of my stomach ending up in my throat. I love roller coasters, too, though, so maybe some are just wired that way.
Never take on gliding then... we constantly fly only a few knots above stall and we do spin training and recovery every year.
Mark Bolton Indeed, I don't really care what he does, but I wouldn't spin an experimental (especially something as flimsy as this) full stop, let alone not having spun before.
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Hey man, I really enjoyed your video!. I fly hang gliders and a spin is my next thing!. I'm planning on doing it from 1000 feet which is way high enough with a hang glider. Hang gliders don't seem to go so vertical in spins so should loose less altitude. Hope you are still having fun!!
Yeah I was thinking more altitude when he said 2500. I watched a guy do it the other day and he lost 500 feet in three turns.
What engine are you running? Scary to do spins when you have not done them before. I have not done any in my Firestar but have practiced full stalls both power on/off and feel very confident. Have done spin training in a 172. Not bad after the initial shock during the first one. You fly very well. Would like to see a video of your cockpit arrangement/audio system configuration. I would like to get Audio into my recordings too, Are you using an intercom for the audio input to video? Also what cam are you using in the cockpit?
+KJ4CTZ --- Engine is a Hirth 3202. Thanks! I use LYNX which is a modular headset/helmet/intercom system which works rather well. All I did was add a cord and Digital Voice Recorder to record audio. It's plug and play. The POV camera in the cockpit is an older Sony ActionCam. There are much better ones available now. Just Google it and you will see them all over. The cameras are white now.
Nothing frightening about intentional spins.......power off, buffet, buffet, full rudder, stick all the way back. Spin, spin. "Full opposite rudder. Pause. Stick forward. Pull back, as nose above horizon, full power".......add slow speeds AVOID rudder. Should do spins at Transition level plus 2,000ft. Usu about 5,500ft. CAVU skies!
Awesome flying! Had me a little nervous for you at the beginning. :) Keep it up!
+Oregon FPV -- I plan on it!!!
Just found this vid. Dont know much about ultralights, but is your A/C a Phantom X1? Aren't they rated for +6G and -4G manouvering? Definitely basic aerobatic territory. Could i ask if you have any sort of formal spin recovery training? I learnt spin recovery/spiral dive ( an altogether different and dangerous manouver ) recognition and recovery, in Blanik gliders. We used to hold 4-5 full rotations before spin recovery, and obviously with plenty of height in hand. I think my instructor did this to ensure real disorientation of his student before recovery. With proper formal training, and the aircraft to handle the loads imposed by a spin ( doesnt matter if the A/C is rag and wire or metal or wood or glass ), the manouver shouldn't pose issues or doubt in your mind. If you have doubts about what you want to attempt, then dont, until you are better prepared. Great quality video and views, thanks.
It's a Hy-Tec Hurricane. No formal spin training. I searched my mind for doubts and I simply did not have any. There were some unkowns, but not any logical doubts that I could come up with. Aircraft is rated for +9 and -7 Gs. It is impossible to keep this ultralight in a spin. After about 1.5 rotations it comes out all on it's own, regardless of full deflection of all controls.
@@glassdogangle Cheers, well, the A/c will handle a spin without breaking a sweat. Jim was right ( RIP, he now flys in perfect CAVOK conditions, godspeed ), make sure you have plenty of height in hand to finish your spin 3,000' AGL. Its a skill worth having, and its also good to be flying an A/C with inherent stability. Stay safe in these unprecedented times we are all going through.
Its like listening to the guy that stole the Dash 8 and crashed it to the ground.
lol you're crazy dude. keep living the dream!
Agreed with you, managed spin and get used to it, you won't know when it happens if not doing so.
Those were good clean entries and exits. Spins are over rated and its not such a big deal if your a reasonably practiced pilot to go and practice spins without an instructor.
I felt confident I could handle it easily enough in this airframe. Probably not in a Pitts, for sure, but in this little ultralight? Spins are cake.
Do you have any formal aircraft training? Well done on the spins, you got a good feel after you started the torque spins. That is why the right stall spin was more traditional. You are using the engine torque to pull you around .....even though you are at idle your torque line still helps pull you around. Long explanation.....ha. Just not use to all those wires instead of struts....lol I can just see me up there and those started snapping like guitar strings.......
My aircraft is the standard Hurricane (there is the standard, the clipped wing, and the hauler) and mine is rated at +7 and -5 Gs. The most I have pulled in a spin ever is +2 Gs. The wing would bend long before a cable snaps. I have a few hours of "formal training". Not to discount some of the advantages of having an instructor, let's not forget the fact that there is not a single word or phrase that can ever come out of a "formal" instructor's mouth that cannot also simply be read in a book or listened to in video form. So yes I could have paid someone $40 an hour to tell me that "Relative wind is always opposite the direction of travel of the aircraft, so if an aircraft is descending in a level attitude, the AOA is greater than if the aircraft was in level flight." Or, I can just read it, reflect on it, and absorb it on my own time without paying someone to read it to me. Incidentally, whenever I do overhear something new that an instructor says, I always, without exception, research the new info in order to confirm it and comprehend the entire scope of the new information.That said, instructors are a valuable source of information and I love it every time I hear something that I didn't know before.
That is comforting to know.......I am glad though you are using a emergency chute system as a back up. In all the years of flying aerobatics I have always, of course, worn a chute(required). So far this has not proven to be a life saver. I have had many friends and acquaintances die and not one that was say 1000 or above feet were able to get out of the plane. The G forces in a snap wing, or rudder cable etc.... are to great to get out of the cockpit. I have been fortunate to date over the many years but staying on top of all maintenance is key, practice of maneuvers until they are automatic, and never ever very from a set of maneuvers you have decided on is a must. I have contemplated installing a ballistic chute to my aerobatic plane but the weight cost would be high so I reluctantly stay with the norm. I do not see one on your ship but if aerobatics is a thought over time do install one. Just a small unseen ding in a forward wing spar (which are exposed to everything you fly through) can quickly cause a wing failure. My aerobatic plane has gauges built in to monitor the inert gas enclosed in the frame for just that reason, to catch before a failure.
Nothing wrong with Spin practice. I'd like one of those rocket para chutes though.
weight of aircraft is the critical feature you pretend not to know - study U.S. military spin recovery G forces - terminal velocity studies too. Spins in a light vehicle give false confidence you surely don't need more of.
If you think my ultralight is going to enter into an unrecoverable spin and auger in, you, sir need to do some studying. I have zero use for spin studies conducted in Tomcats and Hornets. My aircraft was based on the Phantom, but not the F-4 kind, idiot. Also what about terminal velocity? Are you talking about Vne? You are babbling somewhat idiotically. Talk some sense, okay? When you make ad-hominem irrelevant generalized statements you insult people far worse than a stupid cuss word, which makes you a flaming hypocrite (Here, let me call you a piece of shit moron, but without using any cuss words...) What are you trying to say anyway? You sound like a flat-earth-tard, telling me to "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH" to prove the earth is flat.
What's the airframe design model? I wanna fly an ultralight some day, been stuck with the ol' boring 172s
Wow, that was such a gentle spin! So cool. Ignore the haters, I didn't see much danger there. You got out of perfectly and very quickly.
If some of u don't know this was done in Lebanon, Oregon.
Great video man! If only me and my parents move some where in the country, I'll definitely earn the money and try to but one. Aviation is awesome!
I encourage you to follow your dreams! Don't let anything hold you back!