Countdown: Top 5 Tools I Absolutely Regret Buying
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I've purchased a lot of tools over the last few years, and these 5 are the ones I regret the most! Let me know down in the comments what tools you regret buying. Each of those tools serve a purpose in a lot of situations, but for what I build at the moment, they haven't been much of a help.
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Pastrami, i greatly appreciate you saying "for you" and "for the type of work you do" in your video. I was doing allot of renos, and reframing rooms and found the miter saw indispensable, but yes I did have a proper stand so I could setup measure stops. I wish I had bought a Combination Miter saw as the extra cut width of the radial arm saw would have been very handy. for the wider moldings. good video. I enjoyed it.
The SLIDING miter saw is the bomb. Vastly more useful than a regular chop saw. I would have limited use for a chop saw, but the slider is my go-to for a vast array of work. The slider allows all sorts of functional possibilities that go beyond simple chops, plus a vastly extended range and control over depths and placement of cuts. The slider is a hole different animal.
One of my early saws was a Craftsman 8-1/4" slider that is still super useful cutting all sorts of lumber (even 4x4 and 4x6) despite it's small size - because it slides. Of course it shines on trim too with a good blade. The slider is the only way to go for that style of saw.
I agree. I started with a regular miter saw and found it limited due to it's limited range. The sliding miter saw I replaced it with is much more useful.
Pastrami makes a wonderful sandwich to enjoy while taking a break during wood working. I considered a sliding compound miter saw when I updated to a 12" ... however, since I already own a radial arm saw, I opted to save some money and forgo the sliding feature. Since I have both saws built into the same bench, I find I use my miter saw often enough not to regret buying it.
Pastrami :) I was like you, had a cheap used miter saw for about 5 seconds before I figured out it didn't do anything worth wasting that much space for. Then I found a deal on a nice sliding compound miter saw and it was life-changing. I use the heck out of it and I absolutely love what it does. I don't just use it for rough cuts, I have a sweet Diablo blade on it and use it for everything from melamine to fine trim work.
Air tools can also be a game changer, but only when you have space for a decent compressor. Air nailers, air sanders, so many great tools that are cheap because you're not buying a motor AND tool, but just the tool.
I totally agree about the battery operated sander, actually I'll extend that to say anything that I use for more than 5-10 minutes at a time is frustrating and near-useless as a battery-powered unit.
I also agree with your statement to not buy anything until you actually need it.
Seems like we are both on the same page 😀
Pastrami. I love having my miter saw. I use it it for all kinds of home projects and it really saved my bacon when I built my backyard storage building. BUT, I did get a compatible portable station, which made it easy to move, kept it at the right height and gave me level surface on which to work.
There are many similar projects in Woodglut's plans.
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Pastrami it is very true that the tools you use are guided by the work you do. Same goes for any set of tools in any profession, everyone told me I needed pipe wrenches as plumber, I think I used one once in five years, but I was also a med gas and hospital service plumber, so I used a whole different set of heavy tools.
Pastrami I absolutely love my cordless brad nailer and I spent $300 on my Dewalt. I own my home so I am constantly finding ways to use it. I think you’ll use it much more often when you buy a place so don’t get rid of it. I also LOVE my sliding miter saw.
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Pastrami:. I have to agree, I have four miter saws, only one on a dedicated table, which is the one I use the most, but almost always for rough lumber cut to length. I find that the table it's mounted to, is used way more often than the saw itself. It's really more of a convenience than a necessity. Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks so much daniel!
Pastrami- I had to get a belt sander for getting varnish and other grime off of pine furniture from 1996! The varnish was gumming up the sanding pad.
The one tool for me is the Krieg pocket hole jig. I tend not get my pockets hole to either grab or they go through my other piece. I’ve checked at nausea the correct setting to screw size but when I screw it in it sucks.
Extra pastrami. As a woodworking newbie, all of your "you don't need this tool" advice is incredibly helpful. Can't thank you enough.
I’m glad to hear it was helpful, Ken!
Just remember that every piece of advise you get is from that person's perspective. For example, I couldn't live without my miter saw but he has a different experience and has learned to work around it. There are also some tools that I needed ONCE and bought them to do the job and now wish I didn't have them but they were a necessity at the time but some of my friends have been grateful that I bit the bullet and they could borrow it. We all end up with drawers of tools that we don't need :)
I agree with the belt sander kind of...you can do very large surfaces with variable speed belt sander. I initially bought it for a hardwood floor I was sanding to get into places the floor sander couldn't. But now I prop it on its side and made a si.ple jig and I have a tool to remove alot of material intentionally.
Pastrami.. I am a carpenter and I love my 12" Dewalt compound miter saw with bench and just installed 8" crown using it, although I couldn't cut it upright on a 45° I had to lay it flat and cut it at 31.6° miter and 33.9° bevel .. not a problem... I use it for every thing.
Pastrami. I find your comments about the Brad nailer interesting. I used to clamp everything or use screws. Screws are a lot of work and difficult to hide and I always found clamping to be a mixed bag. I don't have a lot of clamps to do large pieces and I was finding my pieces tended to shift a little during drying due to the lubricating effect of the wet glue. I'd go out the next morning and my joint was permanently glued 1/16" crooked etc. Brad nails changed my life. You get the clamping force plus alignment in 1/4 second and so easy to conceal. That being said, I originally bought it for a ton of trim/finishing work I was doing. Using it for wood projects was an afterthought.
I also love my dual bevel miter saw. But I only really pull it out on large projects like building a deck or framing work. Occasionally trim work if I want my saw right in the work area. Otherwise I have a radial arm saw that I use for 99% of my small projects.
Pastrami. I have had a Hitachi radial arm saw (Not a drop saw ) with a 7 1/2 inch blade for 30 years. I bought this after a work colleague told me he built the timber frame and trim for a new home for himself. versatile for cross cutting wide timber either square or at an angle, rebates without a router or jigs. I have several nail guns including staple guns, all pneumatic. Renovating home's you can use a small pin t nail to fit architraves, requiring very small filling. Fixing or repairing fences or making timber frames for walls, the only substitute are self drill screws.
Pastrami! A sliding mitre saw from Wickes, was the first power tool I bought. I bought it because I was going to be cutting up old decking and turning it into a storage box. It cost me £120 and I chose it over some other models because it was cheap, but also had the longest cut length I could find (310mm at 90 degrees) and it's also a compound, so it bevels (so I figured it would be useful going forward). It's smashed through everything I've wanted to do and I've used it for lots of stuff since.
I've never built a mitre station as I don't have a shop, so I'm just working outside on the floor. I've since bought a circular saw, for cutting up plywood sheets, but with some clever clamps and scraps, it's easy enough to set up a stop block for the mitre saw, so it makes repeatable cuts, so I always use it for cutting multiple things to length.
I'm sure it's not perfect, but for £120 it was accessible to a beginner and it's been great for me.
I bought a Ryobi 18gage nail gun or Brad gun or trim gun, whatever you want to call it and I have loved it and used it a lot.
If I’m building furniture I, like you, probably would not use it.
But on all the small projects that I make I like that I can glue, tack it together with some nails and keep going.
I used to have to stop once I glued it and clamped part of a project together and wait for the glue to dry.
Not anymore.
Definitely helps with efficiency.
Did you buy the cordless sander when you were still doing your woodworking in the parking lot of your apartment? In that case I could see having a cordless sander. If where you work is in a parking lot or in your back yard or somewhere outdoors where it may not be convenient to have access to plug something in then having battery operated cordless tools can be very useful.
Pastrami - the tool I really regret buying is the Bora Saw Plate and 55" clamp guide. The two pieces of the guide don't fit together well causing the saw plate to bind in several places as you attempt to move it through the cut. Total waist of money. BTW I love my 18V cordless Bosch sander. It has plenty of power and with a 4AH battery I can get through most jobs with ease.
In regards to the small pastrami nail gun, and mitre saw, I get that it depends on your style of woodworking. Using nails means extra work for making a nice finish, but it will hold up better if you both nail and glue pieces together. Nice you say the part about the low cost saw when talking about the mitre saw tho. Must admit for most cuts I use a circular/jigsaw instead of mitre saw. But for very precise cuts, then the dewalt mitre saws are pretty damm good.
Pastrami, I have a corded Harbor Freight mitre saw. You're right, they're a pain to put away then drag back out for use without a stand. But i did use it a lot building decks, pergolas, trellis in the backyard.
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I inherited a miter saw, and used it a lot. I've even upgraded to a new one, but I have to agree, once I built some sleds for the table saw, the miter saw is losing it's effectiveness.
I still have need for mine, but I do all sorts of home projects and chopping down 2x4s sure is nice with one. For me. I wouldn't say anyone NEEDS any tool.
Pastrami - You are right about one thing, buy the tools you need not what people tell you you need. When I down sized my shop, I focused on what I did the most. Cabinetry. So I don't have a table saw, a miter saw, a big drill press, fancy dust collection, or an air compressor anymore. I do have a Festool TS55 & and MFT/3 table, A small cross cut box for my Ryobi 6.5" saw, this allows me to cut trim when needed, plus I use that Ryobi 18gag battery nailer for attaching trim, and for building shop jigs. Wonderful little gun BTW. I mounted a 6" sanding disk to my small lathe which has rounded down a lot of corners. The biggest investment I've made is in buying routers, mostly cheep ones that I can dedicate to a certain function. One is for round overs, another is for doing shelf holes and grooves in the back of a cabinet, and another for doing loose tenon Domino type joints. For just about all the other power tools I use Ryobi battery tools except for my Bosh 12v drill which I'll keep forever, and my PC 5" random orbital sander.
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If you decide to get a miter saw (when you build your first house) I love my Miata I have at work (I teach high school engineering), and my Bosh I have at home. Get the 12" not the 10" as sometimes you will need the larger blade, and be glad you have it. Rigid makes a nice stand I have at home. It is my second stand as my first cheap stand did not work at all. A great stand makes the saw so much more fun to use.
Pastrami My very first job out of high school in early 1960's was as a floor sander in New Castle Pa. My boss was not only a an employer but a great teacher and work ethicist/philosopher. He told me that he would teach me to be a master , with the condition that if I ever left his employment, to please never work within a 100 mile radius of him. I have never been afraid of any kind of sanding. Crafts trades are sometimes refereed to as being in the builders trade. Building is the last and pretty part, removal of materials is the main and dirty but fun part part. If a tool doesn't do what you need that tool to do. than retool the tool. Never force tools to do more than they are designed to do, like you would never use a good wood chisel as a screw driver or pry bar.
By the way, the Ryobi cheap miter saw, is my favorite saw for cutting aluminum but yes it is a poor choice if you are doing fine wood work. The fence distorts within a few hours of heavy use.
Pastrami! Regarding a miter saw. I also have a small shop. However I love my DeWalt miter saw! I have a folding DeWalt stand that allows for repeated cuts via the adjustable stops. To save room, the stand folds up and I use a Pulley system to raise it to the ceiling of my shop. Granted there is some set up and break down time involved, but with a bit of planning, I can make most of my cuts in one session, then move on to other steps in the process.
The tools you listed are mainly used for general construction: framing, molding, decks, etc. They aren't meant for the type of wood shop oriented projects you do. Nice to have if you ever do remodeling. I avoid using a battery powered tool that has to be continuously running: sanders, saws, etc.
Totally agree on the cordless sander, I've got one and need to change the batteries a lot. Would much prefer a corded one. I do use a mitre saw though, it's great for bevelled crosscuts on trims.
Some people use a table saw for everything. I use my dual bevel miter saw for almost everything. If i had the 4000 dollars for a cabinet table saw then I would have all the fancy jigs and pieces to make it the tool for most of my work. Instead I have a really nice 12 inch Bosch dual bevel sliding miter and I use it more than any other tool in my shop.
Pastrami - I tend to agree with you about the miter saw. When I was first starting out in this hobby, I didn't have a table saw and borrowed a friend's miter saw. I got the itch and went out and bought one, but I haven't used it all that often, especially since many of my crosscuts can be done on the table saw (and crosscut sled) that I now own.
I even accidentally knocked my miter saw off of it's makeshift table, landing on concrete and cracking it's aluminum bevel adjustment so that I can only cut at 90 degrees with any accuracy, so I use it even less now. I considered replacing it, but since It basically just sits in the corner, folded up and unused now I haven't missed it. Instead of putting more money into a saw I barely use, I'm saving up for a good planer and jointer.
As far as the nail gun, I've had an $18 Harbor Freight pneumatic nail gun that has served me well for a few years now, but I'm definitely not a fan of dragging an air hose around any more, so that Ryobi nail gun is looking pretty attractive.
As nail guns go. A pin nailer is amazing.
Love the video.
I'm surprised that Rigid sander has given you so many problems. I've had one for about 10 years and (knock on wood) haven't had many issues with it. Leveling the table is a pain in the butt, but I can get mine trued. Difference in years/models I guess.
I have TWO pneumatic nailers. One for trim in the house, and a brad nailer that I use for temporary or low-strength holding things together. Mostly, that latter is for the rear of drawer bottoms.
And yeah, I have a miter saw, but bought it for carpentry work v woodworking. Prior to that I used my table saw, but walking back and forth to the garage became a PITA. Once you own a house, and your wife starts watching all those dang shows about remodeling and such, you'll want that miter saw lol.
Oh, and a belt sander can be handy sometimes, but I mostly use wood planes and an orbital for the reasons mentioned. Never got suckered in by the cordless orbital sanders, but ALMOST did it. Not gonna happen after seeing this video. Keep up the great work!
Pastrami: I just got rid of my miter saw not because I didn’t think it was useful, but because it wasn’t a great saw and I couldn’t see myself upgrading when most of the cuts I made with it could be done on my table saw. I am now in a small garage shop and space is at a premium. I need to get rid of tools that are above and beyond what I really need to do the types of projects that I typically make. I have the ridged combo belt/spindle sander that you don’t like and i actually really like it. I recently made some wooden swords for friends of my sons and I did all the shaping with this sander. Hours of sanding and it held up great and gave me super results. Just my own experience with that tool.
Just my opinion, I think cordless palm sanders are really nice. The high school i go to has corded Dewalt ones, they suck are constantly having issues. My grandpa got me a 18v Makita and it is fantastic, I use it so much and love it. Only problem if I am doing a lot of sanding it gets heavier.
Ham/Roast Beef/Pastrami - they're all good. We'll all have different tools we don't need based on what you mentioned...projects. Unfortunately, I told my wife I knew all about construction and woodworking. So, I've got to have all the tools to remodel a house and do my woodworking (my passion) which is a huge problem. I'm with you on the tool not needed when it's the belt sander. Huge risk and any slip will destroy weeks of hard, meticulous work. Another great video.
Pastrami. Thanks for this. I very recently talked myself out of a nail gun... (I think I would have bought one if I'd found a corded version -- I don't have an air compressor and I have no need of stacks of batteries.)
Pastrami The tool I regret buying is the big delta tenon jig for a table saw. So much faster and easier to slip a tall fence over my rip fence. I’ve owned it about 35 years and have used it twice. Plus it weighs almost as much as my first table saw.
I love my miter saw have owned for a very long time.
Pastrami - one Tool i definitly think is worth having for any homeworker is a multitool (the Oscilating ones) esp when working on alot things where there is little room to move tools around in ^^ and regarding Miter saws, they are awesome to use, but as u say, only when u have a workshop where u have a fixed place for it. for mobile work i think its better to just use Jigsaw or smth other. very interesting list. keep up the good work ^^
Pastrami! Love you and your videos!! I get inspired watching you!!! Hope you keep ‘em coming!!❤
Pastrami. I agree with you on the Ryobi belt sander. My issue is that I can't adjust the tracking to keep the paper from coming off. I can almost get it, but it still moves laterally more than it should. I think the key to using a belt sander is to use a light touch. I understand your point on the miter saw. However, I have the highest end Ryobi compound bevel sliding miter saw. I built a dedicated rolling stand for it with a 4 foot extension to hold longer work. I use my miter saw on almost every project. I just wish dust collection was better. The only tool I REALLY regret buying was a Delta jobsite table saw. The table had a 0.013 dip in it right about the throat plate. It was impossible to get a really square cut. Delta would not do anything to rectify the problem. I no longer have it, and will likely never buy another Delta product. The final tool I sorta regret buying, although it was not expensive, is a round bottom spokeshave. I get by with no jointer and no bandsaw. It just takes me a little longer to mill lumber and resawing is a chore.
Pastrami - I have a Rigid miter saw with rigid rolling stand and I can’t imagine projects without it. I use it more for home projects than fine woodworking but it has been indispensable. I will say although the lateral degrees have been rock solid, I do struggle sometimes keeping it square vertically when I need it to be precise. If I could spend money on one really nice tool right now, it would probably be a band saw.
To be honest I do agree to the miter saw, i do have one but to be fair I didn't buy it for woodworking but for cutting wooden floor in my house, haven't used it in woodworking up to now since 35cm is usually not enough cut length anyway
Pastrami: i love woodworking and always have.for nearly 10 years i wanted to start and what i would like to start with is making boards out of wood that is still in tree or branch form. Any advice on the starter tools that i would need?
Pastrami. Love my miter saw. Dewault 12” double pivot. Nice pretty dang accurate.Had a cheap one was very frustrating .I have same oscillating sander 2 yrs old now no issues knock wood lol has never bogged down like yours. I would be pissed off if that happened . Not to many regrets on tools I research with in my budget. Mostly use belt sander for shaping wheel barrow handles and the like or massive knock down’s on ruff wood but not so much now after Laguna plainer purchased. I’m just a hobbyist ,do things for family and neighbors and myself of course. Enjoy your channel.
Pastrami!
In 2000 I regretted getting the battery drill because it just didn't last all that long. After not using it for years I ended up buying a corded one that I use almost all the time and it never leaves me hanging in the middle of a project.
As to a miter saw they are great for when you're doing picture frames or molding work so long as their degree gauge is accurate! Though I ended up just using my speed square to make sure it was where I wanted all the time.
Pastrami. I have a mitre saw that I have not used in six months because to use it I have to drag it out of my basement. Someday, I hope to have a forever shop with a mitre saw station but until then, it is just a boat anchor. Thanks for the video.
I have a lathe and a 4" jointer. both of witch I have never used how ever I have several air nailers that are air tools that I use on every project. I found the ones at harbor freight are cheep and work very well. however you do need an air compressor. i get around that with a co2 cylinder from the paint ball store. by the way thanks for your posts
Pastrami!, I use my Belt sander a lot... When I first started out the belt sander - it took some time to learn how to use it and when to use it. In fact I had one so long and had used it so much that I had to retire it (35 years or so). When using a belt sander you have to start it up before making contact with the wood and come in like you are landing an airplane making a smooth landing. Then let the weight of the sander do the work. you should seldom need to sand for very long to get a fairly quick clean up from the mill marks from the planer or mismatch surface of two boards glued together. I start out with an 80 grit and quickly sand the entire surface. Then I grab my seconder belt sander that is still a 4 inch wide belt sander but is a little lighter and has a 120 grit belt. at this point it takes even less sanding time and the surface is pretty well prepped and all you are doing is removing the 80 grit scratches. My Planer leaves a pretty smooth surface to begin with so all of this takes only a few minutes of belt sanding and I am on to the orbital sanding with 180 grit to finish up. Then raise the grain a bit and quickly and lightly sand with 240 just to remove the raised grain. You just never took the time and practice using the belt sander correctly. In this case the problem was either the operator or that model belt sander is terrible. I am pretty sure it was the operator myself.
Agree with everything except the miter saw. I good one on a long bench is a must have.
Pastrami. Generally, I have to agree with every choice you made, and also appreciate that you played both sides of the 'record'. A lot of what you buy in the way of tools should fit your personal needs, as opposed to what the cool tool of the week is. Example: I do have a mitre saw...a cheapo HFT version I bought for $85 about five years ago or so. I only use it for rough construction cuts, never for 'woodworking'.
I admit cordless nailers CAN be convenient for a quick pin or two when jigging up something, but ... for me, I like the instantaneous drive of a pneumatic nailer/stapler over that of the battery versions that have to 'spool up' to drive that brad. If the hose is your issue, try a swivel whip hose. You can find them at auto body speciality shops for about $15. The swivels are super flexible and almost never hang up. Cost is another issue with cordless nailers. When you can buy the big three (at least for what I do) 18ga brad, 23ga pin, and T50 stapler from a reputable vendor, say Metabo HPT, for the same price as a cordless 18ga from your battery platform, in my case Makita, the decision becomes really simple.
Pastrami - I have a question about the nailer you bought: was it for small gauge nails/brads, or larger nails I.e. framing? It looked like something closer to a small gauge, but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks. I love the channel.
I watched it again and noticed it is a broad nail gun.
Pastrami. Just saw the video. Liked everything and your approach. Recovering from rotator cuff surgery and not in my shop very much. Look forward to possibly hearing from you.
Thanks for watching Tim! Hope you have a speedy recovery
You're not supposed to put that much pressure on a sander, that's why it stops when you do. On pretty much any sander including expensive ones I've had they'll stop when you put pressure on them like that. Mostly because pressure isn't needed with the right sand paper
Pastrami,
Im 15 and my dad has a lot of woodworking tools but i miss a planer or jointer, s4s wood is pretty expensive in the netherlands and i want to know do you need both a jointer and a planer? Also I have a huge cnc that i can use but whats your opinion?
Pastrami…I have two big tools (and a bunch of little ones) that I regret getting. I “inherited” a low end band saw and small drill press (both Craftsman) a while ago. The reason I regret them is that the drill press is too sloppy for much of anything (I’m using it as a spindle sander now) and the band saw is a pain in the butt to set up and/or change out the blade. However, it works great for floor trim and other small projects around the house. My main regret is that since I have these, it is hard to justify spending money on something nicer 😊
I have that exact same miter saw with a dedicated stand and use all the time to make furniture and boxes in pair with the table saw. In truth you only need 4 power tools, miter saw, table saw, drill and sander. Which those you can make anything. Regret buying a router, used it twice to make cutting boards, also the square sander.
re mitre saws - I've just now lost saw propulsion on my old GMC. I think that something in the saw blade has let go. Mind you the machine would have to be getting close to 30yrs old. I know now what I want as a replacement depending on my money pocket. I am not a professional just a backyarder DIY. I require an Extendable reach by a slide with dual action and a facility affixed to gather dust.
Pastrami- totally agree, my Ryobi cordless sander sits on the shelf. The battery life isn’t enough for bigger jobs. And it’s heavy like you said.
Pastrami! I have a miter saw on the rolling stand you showed. It’s not a daily use tool so a dedicated work station isn’t necessary for me, but it’s nice to be able to set up in just a few seconds. It does end up getting moved around from spot to spot to keep getting it out of the way, so it still takes up room folded up, just not nearly as much. (I should add, the saw was a free demo unit so I only have money in the station…)
Pastrami - A miter saw was one of the first power tools I got outside of circular saws and drills, and when I started getting into furniture building, I built into my mobile workbench with a flip down mechanism with integrated dust hood and vacuum port, and I've realized I rarely ever use it in any kind of furniture build. As a homeowner though, it is a fantastic tool for any kind of framing or rough lumber projects. The only time it gets used in a furniture build is on cross-cuts that are too cumbersome for a cross-cut sled on the table saw.
I couldn’t agree more! Thanks for watching, Luke!
nail gun for home owner is a game changer (especially if you own an old home). Also... if you own a home, mitre saw is EASILY the most used tool, period.
Pastrami! Home remodeling and battery nail guns are a match in heaven. Keep up the content!
Pastrami - The miter saw depends. I have a rolling stand is good for a person who makes quick cuts like you say. It's mostly good in a shop, not for travel IMHO. I can roll it out of my shop if needed or keep in in shop when the cut can be done indoors. I don't think many are very accurate on angle cuts and if I'm using someone else's saw I measure the angle and use wedges as necessary. A good jigsaw can work - but it HAS to be good. I've had the same issues of inaccuracies occur because the "rail" won't stay put. Sometimes a circular saw is just best here. One saw that will do the necessary cutting.
Pastrami - Nice video but I have to dissagree for the nail gun. I have the same you do and yes I agree that it was a very expensive tool. When I got it I didn't even really know if I needed but it simplified things for me so much. It's game changing for making small (even big) stuff quickly like a jig I need. Also for any other non visible sides of a piece it's perfect. So I would actually recommend people to get it. Maybe not as their first tool but still.
Also regarding the mitre saw, well... yes not the most important tool out there but I find it handy for some quick (inaccurate) cuts. I break down pieces and remove material mainly. I have a very old cheap second hand mitre saw and I don't really count on it but it helps. I actually bought it before I bought my table saw and back then the advantage over the jig saw I only had was clear.
Pastrami. Save your money on the mitre saw if you are already coping without one. Make a crosscut sled for your table saw and whatever jigs you need to get compound mitres. I spent $1500 on a Makita mitre saw and jobsite stand years ago (that's AUD by the way, so before anyone says they never cost that much/ I was ripped off etc) and the prospect of dragging it out, setting it up, then having to put it away again just keeps it leaning against the wall gathering dust.
Yup! No miter saw for me 😀
Pastrami I want to get into woodworking so this video definitely helps. What would be the top 5 or 10 tools you think aslre essential to get into woodworking? Thank you
My Dewalt DWS780 sliding miter saw & stand was the first "expensive" tool I bought. From a pure woodshop POV yeah maybe not as useful, but building stuff for the garage or remodeling stuff around the house its been very useful & a lot easier to move around than the table saw. Cordless sanders are def a joke.. have a milwaukee & my corded craftsman from 10 years ago is a lot better.
Pastrami. Couldn’t agree more with the belt sander. Was shocked about the miter saw. But I understand ur point. I use a dewalt miter saw. It was dads. About 21 years old. Works like it’s new. I make rustic furniture so it has a good purpose in my shop. Was debating on getting the combo sander. Glad you showed it’s pitfalls. May just get the dedicated column one. Your assessments and reasonings were spot on. I’ve had my shop open a year now and the belt sander is the biggest disappointment. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching, chuck!
pastrami--I love my cordless orbital sander, but I'm where you began--the driveway!! I don't use my miter saw either!!
Great video! Keep em coming! Like the shirt!
Pastrami, love the honesty. Every story helps.
Thanks for watching
pastrami..... learned years ago in a cabinet shop to only use one hand with belt sander and let it float unless you want to grind off material.
I bought a small bandsaw, that disappointed me; too big for my small workshop and not accurate enough for making straight cuts. The band twisted easily, even with a lot of strain on it, and therefore choose it's own route through the wood. Luckily I could sell it for a descent price.
I used the miter saw in a construction project, to make lots of small pieces of wood; but that was not really a woodworking job, to be honest.
I use my Bosch Belt Sander upside down in a Vice for Sharpening Knives, grinding bits of Metal etc. I have an Air Nailgun and an Electric one and I hardly ever use them !!!! The one tool that I almost never use, but it isn't a Woodworking tool is a Mig Welder !!!! I have a Small Tig / Ark Welder which I use all the Time and it will weld almost anything !!!! I bought a large Air Compressor plus Air Tools, and then they invented Lithium Ion Tools !!!! So I don't use the Compressor very often now !!!!
Pastrami (delicious) I have the exact same brad nailer that you have barely used. I love it. When I built my shop I hung plywood for the walls and was able to tack up the sheets to hold them in place while I screwed them down. It also was great for trimming out my windows. I also love it for tacking jigs together so I can continue on instead of having to use clamps and waiting for the glue to dry. It really depends on what you do. Also, you're right about the cheap Ryobi miter saw possibly being the reason you don't like it. When I moved from Michigan to Texas I sold a lot of tools like my old Craftsman radial arm saw that I bought in 1975. I used that a ton but hated when I had to cut a miter. Raise the blade, turn the arm, lower the blade which was a crank handle and was stiff to turn from day one. For my new shop I bought the Delta Cruzer compound sliding miter saw. It was dead on square right out of the box, and after installing a premium miter saw blade, the cuts are smooth as glass, truly finish quality. I have the room for a dedicated miter saw bench so I have zero regrets purchasing it. It gets use every day. I added the Shop Nation dust chute for Delta and Rigid miter saws and the dust collection is a thousand times better. Now it only spews about 10% of the sawdust instead of 90%.
Pastrami! I love you channel. Very informational for someone looking to get started in a small shop area. Thanks!
Pastrami. Agree with every point you made in the video. My 1st tool was a miter saw but once I got a table saw I found myself using it less and less and eventually gave it away to a cousin that had limited space and just wanted to cut 2x4s in half mostly. However, I'm an odd duck and still have the infamous radial arm saw which I actually really like. It's mostly a workflow thing for me. Cross cuts on the radial arm saw, rip cuts on the table saw.
Thanks for watching Jason! Do they still sell radial arm saws?
@@SpencleyDesignCo They do but the everyday brands like craftsman, delta and such have gone away from them I think. They have basically become more of an industrial sized tool. With the price tag to match. I think the cheapest you can get one is like 5k.
Yikes!
I use both a miter saw and table saw in most projects. Ripping on the table then crosscut to length on the miter safes tonnes of time
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Miter saws are useful for a lot of things if you don't have a table saw.
Once you have a table saw, their useful is significantly diminished though.
I would agree with that
I'm new to your channel so I don't know if you wound up trying out a different miter saw but if your budget is $400-$600, I don't think you'll be any happier than you were with a budget saw. But a Festool would change your mind, I guarantee.
I had the most expensive DeWalt miter saw and if you're a contractor, great. But if you are doing woodworking I would agree with your assessment that it's a waste of money... Unless you go overboard and buy one that is really built with features a woodworker will love, and don't mind breaking the bank to do so.
I just do projects at home and have used my ryobi nail gun for 8 years,love it to bits.
Miter saws are great for doing trim carpentry or building decks and anything with long construction lumber. Or if you have the space and a very expensive saw, they're great for cutting segments for segmented turning. But for furniture building and most "maker" type projects, a table saw is much more useful. My miter saw is like an exercise bike... I used it a couple times and now it's covered with dust in the corner.
Agreed! I find a table saw much more useful. Any projects you’d like to see me do in the future?
Exercise bike! 🤣🤣So true.
Pastrami. Makes a good sandwich. Anyway, we all have different projects and work flows. My DWS780 saw is a workhorse in the shop. I have the foldup rolling stand for it. Same for my Dewalt table saw. I sometimes go onsite for customer projects. Saws on wheels is great. I have 3 nailers and a stapler. They are a must for doing trim work and glueing. I agree on corded sanders. Same for routers but i may try a battery trim router. I guess at my age it is but once cry once when i buy tooks now. It makes a difference. Enjoyed the vid
Pastrami: I'm with you on the miter saw. I think it's amazing for a shop that's framing and cutting down 2x4 to set lengths and miters. If you're mitering and beveling in one go over and over for trim or something. But for most folks that have limited shop space and doing a lot less repeatable cuts, you're either stuck with a circular saw and you should make a cross cut jig for it, or you're going to have enough space for a few larger tools, one of which is obviously going to be a table saw and at that point you've kind of covered a lot of your bases. Sure they are great and the best a cross cuts though.
I'm actually really curious to see your take on a cross cut jig for a circular saw and router. I've seen a few builds on youtube where folks have made them. Have you ever see these? They are fantastic for limited space shops. I'm about to build one myself but I'd love to see your take on one if you're looking for a video idea. I think versions that have a miter gauge track and T slot tracks for clamps are pretty amazing.
Got to disagree with 3 of these: the miter saw I use regularly that said I got a dust hood for it and a station but it’s just a base model metabo. The ryobi brad nail gun is great to use to temporarily hold while glue ups are drying. And I have the rigid belt sanders baby brother from Wen. It’s not as big and versatile as the rigid one but I have been able to a lot of shaping type projects with it.
That said it really depends on what you build.
If they work for you, keep using them 😀
@@SpencleyDesignCo I do admit though it’s refreshing to hear 5 tools you don’t need list rather than always 5 must have tools list. We don’t always need to be buying new tools we don’t need.
Haha that’s very true. Those videos do well though because people love buying crap
PASTROMI! I love my Mitre saw and use it when I have to cut 2020 aluminum extrusion for my laser enclosure and the custom pull out tray that I made. As for the other tools, I have battery Ryobi and powered Ryobi versions of the tools.
Great videos. Good community. Forgot the other wood. I agree with you on the spindle sander and battery sander.
I'm not sure what he has against a miter saw -- it has always been a real life-saver for me, making right-angle cuts a breeze. And I had bought just the lower-end model, too --- once I set it up and adjusted it, though, I never had much trouble with its being sloppy or inaccurate. Maybe I just got lucky with the models I bought; I dunno.
Pastrami! A miter saw was one of my first tools in my shop. It really comes down to how you use it. My saw is fixed to a bench, and it does every crosscut In my shop on stock over 30cm/12". Ensuring you have one that can be set square and stay there, and also lets you adjust to common angles accurately is obviously important. You don't necessarily have to get the most expensive one. Mine is a King Canada saw. Scores top 3 on many lists with Bosch and Dewalt. I have had mine 10 years - taken it to sites and cut all the molding and trim, have used it for picture frames, and most projects that require a square cross cut or an accurate miter. Only complaint pine gum sticking to the laser shield. I literally just built my first crosscut sled this year - for pieces that are too small to cut safely/quickly on the Miter saw, and for joinery, etc. You could argue a table saw is not needed if you have a circular saw and a track for it if you are never rip sawing, and only breaking down sheet materials. If you are making a picture frame - get a miter box, but if you are trimming out a house...Miter saw is it.
Pastrami-- I use a miter saw daily on different job sites but in my home work shop I use a radial arm saw. which does take up some space, but it does a lot of different features with it. Plus their is a ton of them on the market for cheap. I lucked up and only paid $20.00 for mine, and then a day to take it apart and clean it up, now it works great I use it as a miter saw and a table saw with a dado blade.
I use my rigid spindle sander all the time! The first one I bought had a perfectly aligned spindle and table. My new replacement however, isn't. I make guitars and other fine furniture, and while the osculating spindle isnt 100%, I make quick work out of it by hand sanding.
Nice!
Pastrami, so have a small shop I had a stand it was clunky, use a drop in on my bench for mine . I use it but like you have a basic cheap saw not the best one to base usefulness on.
pastrami, I think your final point is the most important. There's no right or wrong answer to what tools someone needs, it really depends on the type of projects you're wanting to make. Decide the projects you're trying to make and figure out the tools you will need for them and buy accordingly
You’re absolutely right!
Pastrami Tools are just that, they are useful but each person has their preferences. Some tools do work differently at different price points. I would say I have had a Makita miter saw with a basic Ryobi miter saw stand, and it has been an accurate time saver for me. I would say that some tools whether cheap or expensive can do the same job, but a tool like a miter saw has advantages when the pro model is used. Good video, and God bless you.
Pastrami I like my cordless drill because I use it on a lot of quick tasks, but batteries don't last and they are expensive to replace and harder to come by as time goes on. My good tools are electric. It's a one-time expense for the most part.
Pastrami 🍕🍕 great vid. makes me feel better for not having a few of the tools you mentioned. I have to say though, I love my mitre saw and would not get rid of it in a hurry....but i'm lucky with having enough room for it.
pastrami!
Dude, I appreciate what you said about the mitersaw. I guarantee there will come a day as you progress that a GOOD mitersaw will be seen very differently than at the moment. A cheaper one will ONLY bring frustration. Like any saw, or power tool, it needs to be dialed in. Just as your table saw. When this happens for you, you will become a fan and not know how you got along without it, ish. If you do decide to go in on one, a very good one is made by Bosch! This is definitely one tool you cannot skimp on. Every dollar spent will ring in excitement with the accuracy each one of those dollars just purchased!
Good luck, and good for you! david
Thanks David!
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My worst regret is a corded cheap drill. It broke in two days of use
Pawstrahme If or when you own a home your opinion of the miter saw may change. I don't regret buying a miter saw but wish I had chosen the sliding version. My biggest regret tool is a tie between the jig saw and the sawzall.
Pastrami, hadn't seen you use it in the videos I've watched and I guessed (after first 4) what number 1 would be. For me I don't have a table saw, (or any saw at the moment) and in my uncles shop he was hesitant to let the beginner use his. .mostly I had a finishing nailer (compressor), wired circular saw, random orbital, battery drill/impact, and a blow nozzle (good for dust)...in addition to the miter with stand (and all the unpowered stuff a metal/wood shop needs, scredrivers to squares of any size and all the clamps you could imagine) Couldn't do dado so he taught me the basics of making small ledges to glue/Brad to the sides of the book/DVD shelf, followed by brads into the shelves (dado not being an option) and all my shelves since have been done that way (last projects not shelves my uncle moved so home depot cuts it for me, and I screw....some flat easy benches, some side table/benches for my mother, and a bed frame durable enough to hold an elephant....but if I ever get the time money and space I'll plan on a sliding miter that can cut 2x12 boards to size. .but I will definitely also have a router to work with, dado is better in every way besides difficulty
I so agree on tool °1, I mean, I stll do have a miter saw, actually I use it more now than ever, bbut I actually had to build a miter station, but once you do, well, in my case I'd rather part with my table saw than the miter saw, yes, I'm that serious, now that I have a track saw I can bring that directly to the workpiece without any akward sheet management, but, as for the point of your video, that is MY personal case
Weird because the milwaukee orbital Sander is just as powerful as a corded Sander.