Excellent point to be made. Runners run the race, shoes are just equip. Awesome race, great coverage (through both videos). You’ve become my favorite reviewer, keep up the awesome job.
I can honestly say I’ve never had a problem with the grip on Pegasus trail shoes, I’ve used versions 2,3 and 4 and always found them brilliant. I live in the north of Scotland and run on some pretty gnarly trails. I think I’ll give the Ultrafly a miss. Brilliant video as always Loyd And Liga 👏👏👏👏
I’m impressed that you had another fresh pair of trainers in your hands at the drop point(something very comfy too) and you persevered in these so you did give them a really good test!! When you say 3mm lug it sounds like they are starting out half worn anyway! 😊
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve done 100km in mine as well and have also seen wear on the lugs on the heel. Very firm ride and not enough grip in the wet. Only really good for road to trail IMO
Really appreciate the review. I've only been for one run in my ultraflys and they were underwhelming too. There are a number of other trail shoes I'd shoe ahead of these.
I absolutely love my Kjerag and find them to be more or less "true to size". Normally I mainly use Salomon trail shoes and those I need to order 1/2 size bigger in UK sizing.@@JohnM-xr6ch (Man, Salomon is 10,5, Kjerag is 10 for me).
I used a pair of wildhorse 6 following your review a few years ago. A decent “training” shoe - I logged about 600 miles in them, perfect for the very tame trails around where I live. However I quickly realised I wouldn’t take them on any proper trails (I’m talking lakes and Scotland) - I’ll keep my inov8s and La sportivas for that! Seems like this would be a similar thing - which at that price is just not realistic 😅 cheers for the video!
Chapeu for yet an honest and very useful review 👍🏻 Bold move Loyd running the entire race in the shoe. It sounds like the wildhorse 8 is a much better shoe. I've run about the first 100 k in mine and I absolutely love them. Fit, midsole and grip is brilliant right out of the box. React foam is way better than ZoomX
Thanks for the honest and thoughtful review. I’ve also have been very underwhelmed by the Nike Ultrafly’s. In addition to your observations after a couple of long runs (30ish km) flexion of my feet became painful. Perhaps this is due to getting used to the carbon plates, but still… bought HOKA Mafate speed 4 instead.
No problem, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. It's a very stiff carbon plate in the midsole so it could be that causing the issues 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
“They could have won wearing the boxes the shoes came in” 😂😂😂 another great comprehensive review. I had been keeping my pair in the box sort of hoping “maybe they’re aren’t that sh1te” but clearly there are far better shoes out there for that money. Asics Fujispeed 2?
Not sure about FS², the v1 looked promising though narrow, wobbly and the heal cutting into my ankles . V2 seems to address these issues. Yet, the picture drawing from few reviews that a shoe stripped of any plate acts way better. Just to mention Endorphin Rift Pegasus Trail Mafate Speed
Pretty accurate review! I’ve got 45 km in mine for V2 I’d like to see them change colour drop weight & 5mm lugs and compared to my first run in the Tec X they were a bit underwhelming you did mention the best thing was the Vibram outsole & that’s nothing to do with Nike so the early wear on the sole isn’t really a Nike problem either more for Vibram to assess only thing I’d add is they look wide but are not any wider than other Nikes and had to do the runner knot was getting slight heel slippage but thanks for another honest review 👍
I definitely found them wider in the toe box than any of the other Nike Trail shoes I've used. I totally get what your saying about the wear issues with the Vibram rubber but if Nike had gone for a deeper 5mm lug, the wear wouldn't have been as bad. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
I watch all your videos. Love your reviews. I have very poor feet. I get blisters very easy on my big toe and baby toe. I have always liked the Exodus Ultras but even how cushioned they are my baby toe gets blisters still and I don’t love the grip on wet surfaces. So I started putting the insoles of the Exodus Ultras in other shoes like the Wildhorse 8 and the Hoka 4 and Wow!!!! Really if the shoe is deep enough that insole is amazing!!!!
In my opinion Nike's best trail running shoes are the Wildhorse 8. I love running in those but haven't yet gotten to run in some of the more extreme surfaces that would really allow me to put them to the test. I've only run on semi rough terrain and on wet surfaces and I felt secure and I love the Nike React Midsole. It seems a little more durable than the ZoomX.
I totally agree, the Wildhorse 8 is my favourite trail shoe from Nike. There’s a first impression video on the channel and a long run test video featuring the Wildhorse 👍
Totally agree. Thought the combination of zoomX and Vibram would create a great trail shoe. But highly disappointed with the shoe. As always with Nike Trail Shoes 😂😂
I love the classic colorway and hope every review is meh so I can pick these up as a casual shoe. Nikes that won't slip all over the place would be nice. I don't wear them in the wet or snow/ice at all.
I appreciate the full on testing. It’s a bit disappointing as I got a pair I’m saving for an ultra. I probably should’ve snagged another pair of Tecton X.
@@paulmulks I haven’t, I’m still running roads on the build up to Berlin. I’ve been looking forward to the Ultrafly for ages, my Tecton X are over 500M and I’ve got a 100K next year, so I picked them up early. I think for all the not-so-positive reviews I think I will probably love them, hopefully protect the legs as the miles rack up.
@@vincewarne228 All I'd say is remin open minded! I honestly think Nike always get more hate than other brands due to them always being at the top of the running game lol I'm no elite runner or anything like that so my opinion is worth very little, however all I will say is I personally find them extremely comfortable, and any run I've done in them has been brilliant 👌🏻 I'm only a UK 8 in size so mine also weigh very little compared to many UA-cam reviewers but that aside I really do think they are a good shoe! Good luck for Berlin though buddy having spoken to you a few times on UA-cam and seeing other comments you've made I'm sure you'll absolutely smash it 💪🏻
The secret of pillow-soft of this shoes is not a ZoomX but its insole : gel-like , water absorbed and very HEAVY!!! The plate just add a small pop just counteract that sinking and not enough power for a good speed run This insole is a big factor of weight and it will add much more weight in a bigger size (in my 8.5 = 270+g , not that light but not that heavy compare to others , but in bigger like 10+ I heard that the shoes is very heavy) I'm curious if we swap for other (very) good insole will it be better of worsen?. And swap to Vibram aftermarket outsole will add any good? (but +$$$) For me , this is my best (but not worth for money) for "very slow but leg-shuffleable" in non muddy-trail. INDEED NOT a super shoes. Must make sure for weather forecast and terrain profile.
Concrete is terrible for a lot of Vibram trail rubber. I have a pair of Speedgoats that the outsole is worthless for trails just after a week of wearing them as “everyday” shoes.
While I would like to try the Ultraflys I will for sure not pay the full price. They are way too expensive. I just bought the new Asics Fuji Speed 2 ( a carbon plated trail shoe ) for less than half the price of the Ultrafly and I really like them. And yes, you are absolutely right, trail shoes should not be white!
Disappointing Nike trail racers, after all the expectations. Guess it’s not as easy as slap on Vibram outsole onto a Alphafly and get a Super shoe! I’d very much prefer the Zegama and Trail 4….for training.
It's not great, but if Nike had decided to use a deeper lug depth it wouldn't have worn down so quickly. Vibram is a soft rubber and that's what makes it so grippy but if it has such a shallow lug it won't be great for durability 👍
That wear is shocking! You can obviously send them back to Nike though, which is something I suppose…. Sent my pair straight back as they started rubbing my heels just walking around the house - gutted!
Shoes definitely make a difference. Whether they make enough of a difference to DRASTICALLY change the podium in a trail ultra I don't know. We know on the road the shoe tech has made things possible that weren't before. But with it come super expensive shoes that are done after one or two races. My guess? Nike want to create this same wasteful (and one hundred percent avoidable and intentonal) culture to trail shoes too. They are normalising high wear and hiding behind the excuse of performance.
I feel the ultrafly is built for moving at speed. Carbon plated shoes are more suited to quick runs, not "fun runs" or relaxing on an ultra. I find them super quick and a brilliant quick shoe on the ground they are designed for. This isnt really a comfort shoe!
Nike are telling everyone it's a shoe designed for Ultras and in particular 100 mile races. I'm not sure who's going to run a 100 mile race at speed? 🤔 If it is a shoe built for quick shirt races, why us it so heavy James? Like i said in the video, it's a shoe of contradictions and it doesn't really work for anything 🤷♂️
@@Run4Adventure Thats where we differ. Dont take as critique just offering another view on the shoe. I ran a 18min 5k in it and a sub 8 50 mile, so i feel its a good swift shoe on the right tarmac (Western states, hard tarmac / path). Love the videos sorry if you are upset
they are probably designed for the American market. and trails in the usa are very different to trails in the uk . a gravel path in the usa is a trail run
Carbon Plates have no business being in a trail shoe as far as I'm concerned - but each to his own. I think these may have just been a money grab by Nike
@@Run4Adventure i worked in a local running shop and thats what we were taught plus thats what the science says. the carbon plate will still work but not as optimally
@@oliviakillen I worked in the running shoe industry for ten years and I've actually spoken to companies that make the plates that go in the shoes, you'd definitely get more than 100 miles out of a plate 👍
So, it's an ULTRA expensive TRAIL (production) LOT rather than valuable pair of shoes for ultra (long) trail races. Nah, a small error in advertisement... ...now i get that white - a preproduction batch! Nike must be laughing at us runners! They show an ugly, unprepared product - we still bring the 💰
Ridiculous those soles are a disgrace 😤 I'd be Fuming having just paid £230 for a pair of trainers that were done after 1 event.. NIKE have to be ashamed of those trainers.
A frank, open and honest review, this is one of the reasons why we all follow you. At least the puffins were ok. Stick with what you know and trust
“The wildhorse 8 are better”. Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for the honest and real review of these shoes. Very much appreciated.
Great test and review. Thank you.
Excellent point to be made. Runners run the race, shoes are just equip.
Awesome race, great coverage (through both videos). You’ve become my favorite reviewer, keep up the awesome job.
Great, honest review as always. Keep up the great work 👍
I can honestly say I’ve never had a problem with the grip on Pegasus trail shoes, I’ve used versions 2,3 and 4 and always found them brilliant. I live in the north of Scotland and run on some pretty gnarly trails. I think I’ll give the Ultrafly a miss. Brilliant video as always Loyd And Liga 👏👏👏👏
I’m impressed that you had another fresh pair of trainers in your hands at the drop point(something very comfy too) and you persevered in these so you did give them a really good test!! When you say 3mm lug it sounds like they are starting out half worn anyway! 😊
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve done 100km in mine as well and have also seen wear on the lugs on the heel. Very firm ride and not enough grip in the wet. Only really good for road to trail IMO
Really appreciate the review. I've only been for one run in my ultraflys and they were underwhelming too. There are a number of other trail shoes I'd shoe ahead of these.
More like Nike UltraFlop.
Prior watching your video, I've felt and tried them in store. I totally understand what you're saying.
Great Job!
Thank you for doing a proper test of the shoes in mud and on trails - compared to some other shoe reviewers.
Like this review. I have the same problem with the vibram in the back. Upper is great.
Great video as always!
Really glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏
I sold mine, absolutely killed my left foot for some reason. Got the Nnormal Kjerag instead. The wildhorse 8 is the best Nike trail shoe for me. 👍🏻
Did you get your normal size in the kjerag? We found the sizing in the men’s and women’s either way too big or too small.
@JohnM-xr6ch I ordered my normal size. Didn't want any rubbing at the front. I'm wide footed, so I need a bit more room. Fits great 👍🏻
I absolutely love my Kjerag and find them to be more or less "true to size". Normally I mainly use Salomon trail shoes and those I need to order 1/2 size bigger in UK sizing.@@JohnM-xr6ch (Man, Salomon is 10,5, Kjerag is 10 for me).
“ A shoe of contradictions “ 😂😂😂😂lol . This review is so spot on.
I used a pair of wildhorse 6 following your review a few years ago. A decent “training” shoe - I logged about 600 miles in them, perfect for the very tame trails around where I live. However I quickly realised I wouldn’t take them on any proper trails (I’m talking lakes and Scotland) - I’ll keep my inov8s and La sportivas for that! Seems like this would be a similar thing - which at that price is just not realistic 😅 cheers for the video!
Chapeu for yet an honest and very useful review 👍🏻
Bold move Loyd running the entire race in the shoe. It sounds like the wildhorse 8 is a much better shoe. I've run about the first 100 k in mine and I absolutely love them. Fit, midsole and grip is brilliant right out of the box. React foam is way better than ZoomX
Always got to be honest when reviewing a shoe or there's no point in doing it. Really glad you're found the video useful and thanks for watching 🙏😊
I've just ordered some Fuji Trail 2, I'd be interested to know your thoughts on those after your runs in Chamonix
Thanks for the honest and thoughtful review. I’ve also have been very underwhelmed by the Nike Ultrafly’s. In addition to your observations after a couple of long runs (30ish km) flexion of my feet became painful. Perhaps this is due to getting used to the carbon plates, but still… bought HOKA Mafate speed 4 instead.
No problem, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. It's a very stiff carbon plate in the midsole so it could be that causing the issues 🤔
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Sounds like they went down a storm!😝👍
Hey Loyd.
Thanks for saving me £230 😂
Never had any hope of these performing as a trail shoe 😮
“They could have won wearing the boxes the shoes came in” 😂😂😂 another great comprehensive review. I had been keeping my pair in the box sort of hoping “maybe they’re aren’t that sh1te” but clearly there are far better shoes out there for that money. Asics Fujispeed 2?
Not sure about FS², the v1 looked promising though narrow, wobbly and the heal cutting into my ankles .
V2 seems to address these issues.
Yet, the picture drawing from few reviews that a shoe stripped of any plate acts way better.
Just to mention
Endorphin Rift
Pegasus Trail
Mafate Speed
Pretty accurate review! I’ve got 45 km in mine for V2 I’d like to see them change colour drop weight & 5mm lugs and compared to my first run in the Tec X they were a bit underwhelming you did mention the best thing was the Vibram outsole & that’s nothing to do with Nike so the early wear on the sole isn’t really a Nike problem either more for Vibram to assess only thing I’d add is they look wide but are not any wider than other Nikes and had to do the runner knot was getting slight heel slippage but thanks for another honest review 👍
I definitely found them wider in the toe box than any of the other Nike Trail shoes I've used. I totally get what your saying about the wear issues with the Vibram rubber but if Nike had gone for a deeper 5mm lug, the wear wouldn't have been as bad. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure You’ve obviously not got hobbits feet then 😂 enjoy France look forward to seeing the videos!
do a review on nnormal kjerag and fuji trail speed 2!👍🏻
Have you tested the North Face Flight Vectiv Pro’s (the new, revised ones). I have a pair and feel like they could be a better version of these?
Nike wont be sending you anything to test anytime soon anyway 🤣 love the honesty
Thanks for the " true words" 🎉
No problem, thanks for watching 🙏😊
I also want this Jordon ❤
I watch all your videos. Love your reviews. I have very poor feet. I get blisters very easy on my big toe and baby toe. I have always liked the Exodus Ultras but even how cushioned they are my baby toe gets blisters still and I don’t love the grip on wet surfaces. So I started putting the insoles of the Exodus Ultras in other shoes like the Wildhorse 8 and the Hoka 4 and Wow!!!! Really if the shoe is deep enough that insole is amazing!!!!
You're right the Saucony PWRRUN+ Insoles are fantastic, they really do add a lot of comfort 👍
Thanks for watching the channel and taking the time to comment, it's appreciated 🙏😊
great review, im looking for new trail shoes, my Hoka Speedgoat 4 is starting to feel flat
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏
In my opinion Nike's best trail running shoes are the Wildhorse 8. I love running in those but haven't yet gotten to run in some of the more extreme surfaces that would really allow me to put them to the test. I've only run on semi rough terrain and on wet surfaces and I felt secure and I love the Nike React Midsole. It seems a little more durable than the ZoomX.
I totally agree, the Wildhorse 8 is my favourite trail shoe from Nike. There’s a first impression video on the channel and a long run test video featuring the Wildhorse 👍
Totally agree. Thought the combination of zoomX and Vibram would create a great trail shoe. But highly disappointed with the shoe. As always with Nike Trail Shoes 😂😂
I love the classic colorway and hope every review is meh so I can pick these up as a casual shoe. Nikes that won't slip all over the place would be nice. I don't wear them in the wet or snow/ice at all.
If the stand out feature is the outsole that has already started to wear away then that really is a bad sign.
I appreciate the full on testing. It’s a bit disappointing as I got a pair I’m saving for an ultra. I probably should’ve snagged another pair of Tecton X.
Have you used them yet? I honestly don't understand all the hate they get because I love mine! They are far better than most give credit for
@@paulmulks I haven’t, I’m still running roads on the build up to Berlin. I’ve been looking forward to the Ultrafly for ages, my Tecton X are over 500M and I’ve got a 100K next year, so I picked them up early.
I think for all the not-so-positive reviews I think I will probably love them, hopefully protect the legs as the miles rack up.
Not too late to return them
@@vincewarne228 All I'd say is remin open minded! I honestly think Nike always get more hate than other brands due to them always being at the top of the running game lol I'm no elite runner or anything like that so my opinion is worth very little, however all I will say is I personally find them extremely comfortable, and any run I've done in them has been brilliant 👌🏻 I'm only a UK 8 in size so mine also weigh very little compared to many UA-cam reviewers but that aside I really do think they are a good shoe! Good luck for Berlin though buddy having spoken to you a few times on UA-cam and seeing other comments you've made I'm sure you'll absolutely smash it 💪🏻
The secret of pillow-soft of this shoes is not a ZoomX but its insole : gel-like , water absorbed and very HEAVY!!!
The plate just add a small pop just counteract that sinking and not enough power for a good speed run
This insole is a big factor of weight and it will add much more weight in a bigger size (in my 8.5 = 270+g , not that light but not that heavy compare to others , but in bigger like 10+ I heard that the shoes is very heavy)
I'm curious if we swap for other (very) good insole will it be better of worsen?. And swap to Vibram aftermarket outsole will add any good? (but +$$$)
For me , this is my best (but not worth for money) for "very slow but leg-shuffleable" in non muddy-trail. INDEED NOT a super shoes. Must make sure for weather forecast and terrain profile.
Concrete is terrible for a lot of Vibram trail rubber. I have a pair of Speedgoats that the outsole is worthless for trails just after a week of wearing them as “everyday” shoes.
While I would like to try the Ultraflys I will for sure not pay the full price. They are way too expensive.
I just bought the new Asics Fuji Speed 2 ( a carbon plated trail shoe ) for less than half the price of the Ultrafly and I really like them.
And yes, you are absolutely right, trail shoes should not be white!
but.. but they are so hyped!
Just wash them on the “cold” setting. I wash mine every other week.
Did my first run in mine today felt quite stiff and slow felt good running downhill though for some reason very slippery on wet mud
The most disappointing shoe I’ve ever run in! You’re right, super stiff, unresponsive and terrible in the mud! 😕
Those lugs off after such little mileage? I wonder if it was because of the tar running? Wet tar surely should not be so abrasive on outsoles.
OUCH. 10:39. My wallet just cried out in agony after seeing this. GLAD YOU POINTED IT OUT. No sale for me.
It's a crazy price for this shoe or any running shoe come to think of it! 😲
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
I’m shocked at the wear. That’s crazy
have the Hoka Speedgoat 5 been reviewed by Run4Adventure?
Yeap it's on the channel 👍
ua-cam.com/video/LpQF990Hg-4/v-deo.html
The Terra Kiger 9 is a better shoe. I prefer it over the wild horse.
Pls
Test the nb sc trail
I'm hopefully testing them over UTMB week 👍
Don't you do double knots? I do and I'e never had any trouble with laces
I always do a double knot but it doesn't always stop the laces coming loose 👍
Disappointing Nike trail racers, after all the expectations. Guess it’s not as easy as slap on Vibram outsole onto a Alphafly and get a Super shoe! I’d very much prefer the Zegama and Trail 4….for training.
Loyd when are reviewing the S-lab Pulsar?🙏
Can we really give Vibram such a positive reaction if after a couple of training runs and a 100m trail race it would be "pretty much shredded"?
It's not great, but if Nike had decided to use a deeper lug depth it wouldn't have worn down so quickly. Vibram is a soft rubber and that's what makes it so grippy but if it has such a shallow lug it won't be great for durability 👍
I have about 100 miles on my New Balance FFMT V3 and the Vibram outsole is like new.
Maybe not all Vibram outsoles are of the same rubber quality?
I get the feeling you didn't like them Loyd. 😂😂
Good afternoon. Interesting description about the new ultrafly. Like to Loyd. A nice monday for everyone. ⛰️🏃🌍
Nike should have taken note of the issues the Saucony Trail had with the fabric wrapped midsole.
I totally agree Joel 👍
When Saucony wrapped PWRRUN PB it completely change its performance and the same has happened with ZoomX.
Was weight an issue? I hear they are quite heavy.
It was pretty heavy for a so called race shoe, 306g in a uk9.5! 🤷♂️
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
That wear is shocking! You can obviously send them back to Nike though, which is something I suppose…. Sent my pair straight back as they started rubbing my heels just walking around the house - gutted!
Shoes definitely make a difference. Whether they make enough of a difference to DRASTICALLY change the podium in a trail ultra I don't know.
We know on the road the shoe tech has made things possible that weren't before. But with it come super expensive shoes that are done after one or two races. My guess? Nike want to create this same wasteful (and one hundred percent avoidable and intentonal) culture to trail shoes too. They are normalising high wear and hiding behind the excuse of performance.
I feel the ultrafly is built for moving at speed. Carbon plated shoes are more suited to quick runs, not "fun runs" or relaxing on an ultra. I find them super quick and a brilliant quick shoe on the ground they are designed for. This isnt really a comfort shoe!
Nike are telling everyone it's a shoe designed for Ultras and in particular 100 mile races. I'm not sure who's going to run a 100 mile race at speed? 🤔
If it is a shoe built for quick shirt races, why us it so heavy James? Like i said in the video, it's a shoe of contradictions and it doesn't really work for anything 🤷♂️
@@Run4Adventure Thats where we differ. Dont take as critique just offering another view on the shoe. I ran a 18min 5k in it and a sub 8 50 mile, so i feel its a good swift shoe on the right tarmac (Western states, hard tarmac / path). Love the videos sorry if you are upset
they are probably designed for the American market. and trails in the usa are very different to trails in the uk . a gravel path in the usa is a trail run
Carbon Plates have no business being in a trail shoe as far as I'm concerned - but each to his own. I think these may have just been a money grab by Nike
no point having a long lasting sole as carbon plate only suitable for 100 miles max
A Carbon plate is only suitable for 100 miles? 🤔
@@Run4Adventure yes. carbon plate is at its optimal for 100 miles or less.
@@oliviakillen I'm not so sure about that!? 🤷♂️
@@Run4Adventure i worked in a local running shop and thats what we were taught plus thats what the science says. the carbon plate will still work but not as optimally
@@oliviakillen I worked in the running shoe industry for ten years and I've actually spoken to companies that make the plates that go in the shoes, you'd definitely get more than 100 miles out of a plate 👍
Simply put them on the hottest setting your washing machines has! They will come up like new.
So, it's an ULTRA expensive TRAIL (production) LOT rather than valuable pair of shoes for ultra (long) trail races.
Nah, a small error in advertisement...
...now i get that white - a preproduction batch!
Nike must be laughing at us runners!
They show an ugly, unprepared product - we still bring the 💰
Ridiculous those soles are a disgrace 😤 I'd be Fuming having just paid £230 for a pair of trainers that were done after 1 event.. NIKE have to be ashamed of those trainers.
Absolutely awful shoe and frankly looks absolutely pointless and at 230 quid wow... who buys these!