Gentle reminder. When Maori took the National Government under Bolger to the Privy Council in England after being offered $1B to settle all Treaty claims which wasn't accepted, it reached a stalemate when Maori counter offered $1B to the government to take their people and leave. During proceedings at Westminster Queen Elizabeth presented Queen Victoria's documents of Te Tiriti as it was understood at that time, aligned to Maori interpretation of Sovereignty and rights. So much has evolved since then and I hope it keeps progressing. I'm not saying to stay in the Commonwealth but I would like it acknowledged how it all went down before Waitangi Tribunal and associated hui were created. The culmination of many events. The Monarchy at days end kept to their bargain much to the fury and frustration of the descendants of colonists who were just greedy land grabbing opportunists. The failure of Monarchy was not monitoring their people in another land. Because Queen Elizabeth set the situation straight, Bolger and his government were 'forced' to comply. Pakeha were outraged. The older ones still remember the dead old days and get ugly on it still but today's youth have grown accustomed to their mixed culture. It's beautiful. My fear is it might revert to a time I don't want repeating for my grandchildren. Without those historical documents held outside Aotearoa we may not be who we celebrate today. How can we ensure trajectory will a forward motion. Maori were in Parliament during rough times but did nothing for the people because their hands were tied and voices weak. It was angry activists that got the ball rolling. The quiet rich Maori funding various groups. Sympathetic Pakeha that were embarrassed seeing their friends' culture being shit on. If we go Republic, we need history books in schools to tell an accurate story. Compulsory accurate history in schools before we become Republic.
This has been my argument for years, that the crown had in fact been a constraining factor, rather than supporting issues arround land confiscation etc. Not just in New Zealand., But especially in Australia and the americas.
We are all mirgrants from eden. Land is won or lost. Acts Interpretation Act of 1919 "Remove responsible ministers for the Crown for a period of ninety days and upon the expiration of ninety days the words are reinstated". NZ became seperate from the crown upon the siging of the treaty of Versailles. Maori sovereignty ks a fiat : we ate all sovereign or all slaves. As to Pa Keha It is time to stop the use of blatantly offensive terms.
República? No se trata de República o no se trata que le devuelvan sus tierras,mientras no se vayan ustedes no cambia nada si nueva Zelanda se convierte en República Y quien lo pide? Los colonizadores que se sienten colonizados? Es justo que las tierras vuelvan a los indígenas y nada de cultura mixta,ustedes les robaron sus tierras como paso en Australia y en todo el el continente americano
@Shayne Ball well it might not be perfect. But then again you might not have a modem democracy. Just a backwards tribal state. And if I remember rightly. Maoris were happy to slaughter each other. Long before any europeans arrived...
NZ is well-served having an external head of state whom everyone must respect but who has no political power. As soon as you appoint a local as head of state, that position is political and its occpant is well-placed to abuse the power of head of state. The USA and Russia are two examples where Presidents have in the very recent past sought to abuse their power as Head of State. Even the apointment of a Governor General requires that the process respect the Head of State and hence respect the rules decided by the NZ parliament. And the icing on the cake is that it is a very inexpensive system for NZ.
look here you cannot use usa in your argument because usa use the same similar systerm as nz if you dump the uk then look at russan,,china, nth korea, any of the muliam countrys to see what they have done in the last 14000 yrs
Seriously? If we end having a constitutional monarch as the Head of State, we will end up getting a politician or a celebrity and all that entails. Who is your least favourite politician? Now think of them as your president. President Trevor Mallard? President Winston Peters? President Ardern? President Mike Hoskin? No thanks!
Could say the same about having head of state 20,000 kilometers away .Costs us a Hellova lot of unnecessary money when he bothers to visits though . A New Zealand born Head of State for New Zealand for sure.
Its not this incorporation residing in wellington with no constitution only aboriginal natives of NZ aotearoa have the right to govern themselveswho are constituted thru te tiriti o waitangi .
no from me.. dont feel we need to.. would be good to go Independent, even though Aussie has hinted at joining them? either way, when nuclear war arrives no matter who pushes that red button first, be it China, NK, or Russia, we're screwed anyway.... hell, cant even bounce back fast enough from a natural disaster in Gabrielle, let alone think of a world war?!
So much unfounded paranoia about becoming a Republic. Not necessary to leave the Commonwealth. Not cutting any ties with old friends. Relatively easy process within Government to change to Republic .Not kowtowing to a foreign leader anymore and maybe, just maybe we've paid our dues to finally recognize that weve "grown up" as a mature nation .It sure doesnt mean we forget the past .On the contrary.
In South Africa we became a republic in 1961 by way of referendum and abolished the monarchy.Although we applied to rejoin the commonwealth of nations in 1994 as a republic.
To be honest I would love Aotearoa to be independent but if we do how will that affect us kiwis against the world if we go to war I know we are connected with USA n AUSTRALIA But what will happen with our Relationship with UK will they be there for us if shits hits the fan coz at this moment UK has sent a Nuclear Submarine to Australia to fight against China if it happens so for me I say NO coz Russia, North Korea n China are ready for war . What happened in the past with Maori n European is in the past it's time to look forward for the Next generation n the Next
@@DAF.SA.78SOUTH But NZ is a legal term and is internationally recognized, Aotearoa isnt. But its amazing how many people I've noticed now call and acknowledge nz as aotearoa. Politically and foreigners as well, youtubers, teachers etc. WOW
if we do split from the monarchy, we can prolly call our equivelant of the president either president, or something in the native language like "Aratohu Whenua"
He is the King of the United Kingdom, the country where New Zealand’s majority european population came from, keep the ties to the mother country and Australia 🇦🇺🇨🇦🇳🇿🇬🇧
There are a number of people in NZ who want to be the president - Jacinda Ardern, Helen Clark, Mike Hoskins, and Wayne Brown. Becoming a republic will be quite an expensive proposition.
No it wouldn’t don’t lie. Barbados became A republic they just made the governor general president. The Prime Minister continued to remain the nations leader. The president just continues the role of governor general but without involving the monarchy and the cost of the Governor General remain the same costs of the presidency. Same story in New Zealand if you became a republic, same set up as Ireland to give a western example if you would prefer. It doesn’t expand costs if anything it saves money because you’ll never have to host his majesty as the head of state.
I think empowerment for nz is fundamentally based on the god of the bible.If nz was to be released from its struggle it would be by the power of god but there must be debate about whether the monarchy are a block or a credible equatance to potentially positive uplift
What the MP said about a president either being partial to the right or to the left, not having a neutral figure to call elections, absolutely not true. Look up Mary Robinson. She is a perfect example of how this isn’t true, Ireland is a parliamentary republic. The Prime Minister runs the show completely, the presidency is just like the monarch except a lot cheaper and is there with consent of the people. Mary Robinson was the labor candidate for president and just like her predecessors she left her party upon winning And devoted herself completely to the job requirements as head of state and did an amazing job as Ireland’s first female president. Mary McAlees was Ireland’s second Woman president and successor to Mary Robinson. She ran with a different party, same story. If you look at presidents from other parliamentary republic’s in Europe it’s the same story, rarely (Italy being the sole example in recent years that I remember) do you ever have their presidents making scandal because they stay out of government business the same way her late Majesty did.
@Mike John good luck with getting the different iwi to agree on that one. Ngai Tahu would have a lot to say about that I think as it's not like the iwi get along..
Can't because there are over 100 separate iwi (tribes ) who would you choose, there's a lot of I'll will between some because of past invasion of each others land , so it won't be that easy.
You have made a fundamental assumption that the GG would become head of state. That is pure and simple misinformation. Just because it is the model you advocate for, does not mean that's what we're going to get, nor that that's what's on offer.
Long live the King!
Gentle reminder. When Maori took the National Government under Bolger to the Privy Council in England after being offered $1B to settle all Treaty claims which wasn't accepted, it reached a stalemate when Maori counter offered $1B to the government to take their people and leave.
During proceedings at Westminster Queen Elizabeth presented Queen Victoria's documents of Te Tiriti as it was understood at that time, aligned to Maori interpretation of Sovereignty and rights.
So much has evolved since then and I hope it keeps progressing.
I'm not saying to stay in the Commonwealth but I would like it acknowledged how it all went down before Waitangi Tribunal and associated hui were created. The culmination of many events. The Monarchy at days end kept to their bargain much to the fury and frustration of the descendants of colonists who were just greedy land grabbing opportunists. The failure of Monarchy was not monitoring their people in another land.
Because Queen Elizabeth set the situation straight, Bolger and his government were 'forced' to comply. Pakeha were outraged. The older ones still remember the dead old days and get ugly on it still but today's youth have grown accustomed to their mixed culture. It's beautiful.
My fear is it might revert to a time I don't want repeating for my grandchildren. Without those historical documents held outside Aotearoa we may not be who we celebrate today. How can we ensure trajectory will a forward motion.
Maori were in Parliament during rough times but did nothing for the people because their hands were tied and voices weak. It was angry activists that got the ball rolling. The quiet rich Maori funding various groups. Sympathetic Pakeha that were embarrassed seeing their friends' culture being shit on.
If we go Republic, we need history books in schools to tell an accurate story.
Compulsory accurate history in schools before we become Republic.
we go republic ,scrap the b/s ''treaty '',have a true democracy ....ie one man one vote..and stop the maori gravy train dead in it's tracks
This has been my argument for years, that the crown had in fact been a constraining factor, rather than supporting issues arround land confiscation etc. Not just in New Zealand., But especially in Australia and the americas.
We are all mirgrants from eden.
Land is won or lost.
Acts Interpretation Act of 1919
"Remove responsible ministers for the Crown for a period of ninety days and upon the expiration of ninety days the words are reinstated".
NZ became seperate from the crown upon the siging of the treaty of Versailles.
Maori sovereignty ks a fiat : we ate all sovereign or all slaves.
As to
Pa
Keha
It is time to stop the use of blatantly offensive terms.
República? No se trata de República o no se trata que le devuelvan sus tierras,mientras no se vayan ustedes no cambia nada si nueva Zelanda se convierte en República
Y quien lo pide? Los colonizadores que se sienten colonizados? Es justo que las tierras vuelvan a los indígenas y nada de cultura mixta,ustedes les robaron sus tierras como paso en Australia y en todo el el continente americano
The Commonwealth is not all about the monarchy. It's about the bonds that tie us together.
What bonds that pakeha flourished and Maori were demoralized
@Shayne Ball well it might not be perfect. But then again you might not have a modem democracy. Just a backwards tribal state. And if I remember rightly. Maoris were happy to slaughter each other. Long before any europeans arrived...
The commonwealth is about genocide and superiority
NZ is well-served having an external head of state whom everyone must respect but who has no political power.
As soon as you appoint a local as head of state, that position is political and its occpant is well-placed to abuse the power of head of state. The USA and Russia are two examples where Presidents have in the very recent past sought to abuse their power as Head of State. Even the apointment of a Governor General requires that the process respect the Head of State and hence respect the rules decided by the NZ parliament. And the icing on the cake is that it is a very inexpensive system for NZ.
look here you cannot use usa in your argument because usa use the same similar systerm as nz if you dump the uk then look at russan,,china, nth korea, any of the muliam countrys to see what they have done in the last 14000 yrs
@Andy if you want to o away with the king SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH EG COMMUISM?
Respect the tradition and heritage
Seriously? If we end having a constitutional monarch as the Head of State, we will end up getting a politician or a celebrity and all that entails. Who is your least favourite politician? Now think of them as your president.
President Trevor Mallard?
President Winston Peters?
President Ardern?
President Mike Hoskin?
No thanks!
AT LEAST THEY ARE ALL KIWIS ......
And NZ should keep its ties to its mother country
if a president is symbolic what is the point of wasting money to have one what do they DO
Could say the same about having head of state 20,000 kilometers away .Costs us a Hellova lot of unnecessary money when he bothers to visits though .
A New Zealand born Head of State for New Zealand for sure.
Never. Keep the family together and we can create a strong alliance 🇦🇺🇨🇦🇳🇿🇬🇧
Thanks for covering both sides of the monarchy and republic debate.
Its not this incorporation residing in wellington with no constitution only aboriginal natives of NZ aotearoa have the right to govern themselveswho are constituted thru te tiriti o waitangi .
New Zealand is stronger in the commonwealth than alone.
MOST COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES ARE REPUBLICS
Charles is the king of New Zealand
no from me.. dont feel we need to.. would be good to go Independent, even though Aussie has hinted at joining them? either way, when nuclear war arrives no matter who pushes that red button first, be it China, NK, or Russia, we're screwed anyway.... hell, cant even bounce back fast enough from a natural disaster in Gabrielle, let alone think of a world war?!
You are independent, and a monarch protects you from politicians abusing their power like in Turkey or Hungary
Best part is - you don’t pay for it
So much unfounded paranoia about becoming a Republic.
Not necessary to leave the Commonwealth. Not cutting any ties with old friends.
Relatively easy process within Government to change to Republic .Not kowtowing to a foreign leader anymore and maybe, just maybe we've paid our dues to finally recognize that weve "grown up" as a mature nation .It sure doesnt mean we forget the past .On the contrary.
Should have ditched the monarchy decades ago.
Seeing Rawiri's speech about this reminds me of what's happened and will continue to happen in South Africa, he's a dreamer this one.
In South Africa we became a republic in 1961 by way of referendum and abolished the monarchy.Although we applied to rejoin the commonwealth of nations in 1994 as a republic.
Yea, and look at the rotten mess South Africa is now
Rather be a British New Zealand than Maori Aotearoa. God Save the King!
New Zealand belongs to Maori people. It has always been !
To be honest I would love Aotearoa to be independent but if we do how will that affect us kiwis against the world if we go to war I know we are connected with USA n AUSTRALIA But what will happen with our Relationship with UK will they be there for us if shits hits the fan coz at this moment UK has sent a Nuclear Submarine to Australia to fight against China if it happens so for me I say NO coz Russia, North Korea n China are ready for war . What happened in the past with Maori n European is in the past it's time to look forward for the Next generation n the Next
In a side note just a query has New Zealand officially changed its name ? I see a lot of kiwis calling their country Aotearoa.
@@petey960 it's all ways be Aotearoa bro but to Europeans I think they call it NZ
Australia UK and NZ work together and they are the same people divided by sea, keep together and keep forming the strong alliance 🇦🇺🇨🇦🇳🇿🇬🇧
@@DAF.SA.78SOUTH But NZ is a legal term and is internationally recognized, Aotearoa isnt. But its amazing how many people I've noticed now call and acknowledge nz as aotearoa. Politically and foreigners as well, youtubers, teachers etc. WOW
if we do split from the monarchy, we can prolly call our equivelant of the president either president, or something in the native language like "Aratohu Whenua"
Cut ties we have a Maori king
He ain’t the King for ALL MAORI!
@@williambell3531 u must be white to not understand the values of the real true kiwis hmmmm
He's the King of ENGLAND! and that's it, as far as i'm concerned , And Stop calling NEW ZEALAND by a Made up name!!!!!!
@Andy Wouldn't be the first time! a nation was ruled by a Child!!!
He is the King of the United Kingdom, the country where New Zealand’s majority european population came from, keep the ties to the mother country and Australia 🇦🇺🇨🇦🇳🇿🇬🇧
Good to abolish the monarchy. I am an Irishman and the British monarchy has always been a stain on our history.
Support Ireland from India 🇮🇳
There are a number of people in NZ who want to be the president - Jacinda Ardern, Helen Clark, Mike Hoskins, and Wayne Brown. Becoming a republic will be quite an expensive proposition.
what about KingKey
No it wouldn’t don’t lie. Barbados became A republic they just made the governor general president. The Prime Minister continued to remain the nations leader. The president just continues the role of governor general but without involving the monarchy and the cost of the Governor General remain the same costs of the presidency. Same story in New Zealand if you became a republic, same set up as Ireland to give a western example if you would prefer. It doesn’t expand costs if anything it saves money because you’ll never have to host his majesty as the head of state.
ITS ALSO INEVITABLE
I hate NZ to be republic it will a political system politics where a president control by a politician or control by political party😢
@@tikeipere8725 the Barbados government cheated the people
Te pati msori can't even exstinguis the aboriginal native tittle .
I think empowerment for nz is fundamentally based on the god of the bible.If nz was to be released from its struggle it would be by the power of god but there must be debate about whether the monarchy are a block or a credible equatance to potentially positive uplift
What the MP said about a president either being partial to the right or to the left, not having a neutral figure to call elections, absolutely not true. Look up Mary Robinson. She is a perfect example of how this isn’t true, Ireland is a parliamentary republic. The Prime Minister runs the show completely, the presidency is just like the monarch except a lot cheaper and is there with consent of the people. Mary Robinson was the labor candidate for president and just like her predecessors she left her party upon winning And devoted herself completely to the job requirements as head of state and did an amazing job as Ireland’s first female president. Mary McAlees was Ireland’s second Woman president and successor to Mary Robinson. She ran with a different party, same story. If you look at presidents from other parliamentary republic’s in Europe it’s the same story, rarely (Italy being the sole example in recent years that I remember) do you ever have their presidents making scandal because they stay out of government business the same way her late Majesty did.
No, never ever
God save our king
Aotearoa can do what it wants as it doesn't involve the south island which has its own name.
Its time all New Zealander's recognised this.
@Mike John good luck with getting the different iwi to agree on that one. Ngai Tahu would have a lot to say about that I think as it's not like the iwi get along..
@@stephendickson9000 iwi get along fine there is no tribal war or any animosity, maori are all in the same waka
Treaty centric not in the te tiriti o waitangi
anybody who watches this is magical :D
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NOT MY KING !!!!
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A Muslim King 😅
If you want to keep a depoliticized Head of State… isn’t there some Māori royalty NZ could use instead?
are byou kidding...why a maori ????less than 13% of the population ..that is what the commy labour govt want
Can't because there are over 100 separate iwi (tribes ) who would you choose, there's a lot of I'll will between some because of past invasion of each others land , so it won't be that easy.
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You have made a fundamental assumption that the GG would become head of state. That is pure and simple misinformation.
Just because it is the model you advocate for, does not mean that's what we're going to get, nor that that's what's on offer.
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Better get rid of them now before one of them decides to exercise their true powers.
That won’t happen, they only do that if there’s a REALLY corrupt politician like in Turkey, Russia, they protect the country
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