If you liked the content leave a like, comment and share. I am always looking to improve so any feedback is appreciated. I once again have to apologies for this being so late, I would like to say I could get a consistent schedule going atm but I would be lying if I did and trust me its currently paining me not being able to make as much content as I want. There is so much to talk about. Regardless I hope you enjoy the content and props to those who have already figured what the next bit of contents going to be about.
Criminally underrated channel. Bro do some interview etc. with some streamer in order to promote the channel. When the word spreads it will be extremely popular.
The Lordaeron circle thing is something along the lines you knew it was wrong, but you just didn't pay enough attention to figure it out. I hate that feeling. But anyway, if it truly is true, could the Gassing of Lordaeron at the start of BfA have another role other than to blow the Alliance? Alleria got a weird chill there, sure, it's associated with that little rock falling/ticking sound, but what if it was the Void calling to her a warning about that?
I agree I think the gassing did serve another purpose. I mean its always bothered me that Syl decided to leave the throne intact (or at least by in game standards). If this theory is accurate I'd assume the purpose was to clear out the city for something later. As for Alleria I also agree, if this theory is correct the void sensed something. I mean whats rather ironic is that if this is true, the light and the shadow basically had the same reaction to whatever power Syl is playing with. As in Anduin/Shalamayne to the threat in-front for them and the Shadow to the hidden threat around them.
I always thought Alleria being super alert when she heard the rocks was due to her training, she was a Farstrider after all. And Ranger General of Silvermoon at one point.
I wanted to add to your theory; Edit - I messed up, was still drinking my coffee. Mixed soul with will. ICC was a titan-forged facility not yet in operation awaiting the birth of a new Titan, the Death Titan, Argus. He was supposed to facilitate balance when souls passed from that plain to the next, since he was taken over and his energy harvested to fuel the burning legion, that never happened. ICC fell into disuse, but the dark energies there prompted others to pick up the "work" without any guidance. You couple that with the fact that Yogg-Saron is trapped below, and you can guess how the facility of death became a twisted version of what it's intended purpose was (even though the name seems fitting even now). Twisted by Void 100%. ICC was intended to be a third facility meant to empower the body of of Azeroth. You had the forge of wills, the forge or origination, and the forge of ______ (one would assume "spirit", since the LK can stretch his own will out vastly outwards and enforce it on others under influence). Since that forge is corrupted, it's likely that no one on Azeroth has ever had true freedom over their souls, and instead their overall destiny is controlled by un-sean forces. Just a pipe-theory that one. However, the loa's existence gives credence to it, the shadowlands has always had influence, seeing as the trolls where essentially the first race on Azeroth. They where not titan-forged affected with the curse of flesh like all the other races ;)....and...who infected them with the curse of flesh? It's not far of a venture to assume the curse of flesh is far more devious than just making them squishy. Silvanas; "I will set us all free" Also Silvanas; almost remorsefully "How can I convince you...." I believe because of this the shadowlands has never really been working correctly in it's relationship with Azeroth. The power released in the helm was a tipping point, like if you where to inject air into two soap bubbles close to each-other. Shadowlands being one soap bubble, and Azeroth being another, the air being souls. What happens when they get too big? I'd love to hear your thoughts, if you have a discord add me, Dr.Cosmar#3461.
I don't know if you ever saw that but in the Altar of Storms in Blasted Lands that symbol in the inferior part of the Throne Room and the magnifying glass thingy are present in the rocks. That portal was used by Razelikh (a nathrezim).
lordaeron's throne has the Ouroboros, a symbol of the cycle and is heavily used in shadowlands, being seen multiple times as the main symbol in oribos. the main city.
Don't know if you've already mentioned it and I've missed it somehow but while doing research into Wildhammer dwarves for the new customization options of a dwarf shammy I've got for RP, I came across a bit of lore relating to the Twilight Highlands I hadn't discovered before known as Northeron (wow.gamepedia.com/Northeron, which is quite interesting because its literally North + Lordaeron. Furthermore, it's interesting to note the following details: "It was known for its mysterious ironwood tree forests,[3] the torrential storms from its frozen mountains,[4] ominous and foreboding peaks,[5] and jagged ice cliffs.[6]" If the lands were connected at some point to Northrend, I say the connection comes from the Twilight Highland side of the Eastern Kingdoms and the remnants of such a connection lingered after the Shattering. So, to both your speculations on the titan structures connecting both areas and this video, I actually believe you have a strong argument to make.
Nice find. I completely forgot about that part of the twilight highlands. This piece of info adds to an idea I tired to prove ages ago. (Something being off the north eastern coast of the eastern kingdoms).Still can't but this does add a bit more info to work with . Thank you.
I noticed there is another lordaeron "plate" outside the throne room, it is located on the roof of the tomb of Terenas. There, the runes are turned towards the throne (the sun side points towards the throne). In the meantime, I wonder what is the meaning of the two skulls we see in the Halls of Reflection that are not in the Lordaeron plate. Also, I have been triggerd by the seat of Terenas, I'm sure the style of this seat has something to do with, eather the style of the transmog from the heroic shadowlands preorder, or symbols from Halls of valor, I cannot figure it out, maybe I'm 100% wrong ahah
Don't worry your not the only one asking these questions and if were wrong meh, it was fun while it lasted. I didn't know about tomb. Thank you for the info. I'll probably go have a look when I get the time.
I would assume the ether represent key or locks. Most likely keys that are need to unlock something though trying to narrow down what they are connected to specifically is difficult at this point.
i liked the part about the menethil line being bound to the shadowlands, it gave me king of the north game of thrones vibes. But the rest of your theory i think you are looking too much into it.
This is unrelated, but I've been having a theory relating to Azeroth itself.I believe the Keepers in Halls of Origination each represent a key elements of Azeroth and/or it's magics; Magic, Life, Astral(Arcane) and Chaos(Destruction). I found it a bit supported by 4 of the Pillars in Sholazar Basin being similarly names. What are your thoughts on this?
@@thedreadexpanse3817 I found it a cool idea since it gives more power/value to the Sun, prayers/uses surrounding it and giving some magic explanations.
Have you played the ptr for shadowlands? theres a quest where the lich king uses the pieces of the helm around the runes on the ground on top of the frozen throne to summon a portal.. similar runes found on the throne in undercity
I haven't. I never got an alpha invite. Have seen the intro though and I was pleasantly surprised the helm was used to enter the Shadowlands. I don't think it proves theory but if the theory is accurate it leaves an interesting question about weather this possible key is the reason why Bolvar can track Sylvanas.
There is a contradiction in your halls of reflection idea tho. Back in W3: Frozen Throne, the hallways of ICC wasnt adorned yet like what we saw in WOTLK. Remember ICC in W3: FT was just a a glacier with a long stairwell and chains. Not only did it not have halls, heck it didnt even have a roof. So I think, Arthas prolly had the Halls of Reflections designed that way out of an ego trip Also Nerzhul's spirit is gone, the one inside the artifact item was merely an echo
My general response is, its not a contradiction, its just we only saw the Frozen Throne in Warcraft 3. We didn't see anything else. So in one way, yes, you can assume ICC was only a glacier, the long stair case and chains. On the other hand its possible we didn't see everything and there were other parts of ICC that existed before Arthas created the ICC of today. This theory goes along with the latter assuming there may have been something else but I do see you point and its a very likely possibility.
I don't think it is possible imho. In the ending of the cinematic of Arthas's ascension and the main menu of W3: FT, it shows that there wasn't a citadel yet constructed around the glacier, it was literally just a naked glacier with stairs and chains exposed to the environment. The Halls of Reflection is literally the room before the throne room iirc, thus at the top floor of the citadel. Considering that the citadel itself didn't exist at that time, that would go the same for that very same hall. I believe the Lordaeron throne room and the HoR floor logo was just a coincidence
@@aputoy9627 OK. Though to be clear the Halls of Reflection and the Shadow Throne are not Frozen Throne at the top of ICC. The Shadow throne is a lot closer to ground level, so I am unsure why you think its on the top floor of the citadel.
Honestly it depends if the heir is real or a lie. I am currently of the camp the scarlet's are lying, though I guess if this theory turns out to be true we may have a way to verify whose who.
I've been missing these "tinfoil hat" type theories ever since wow insider changed. The only downside in watching these, is the disappointment when blizzards writing won't be anywhere near clever and interesting.
1) Why isn't it acceptable to just agree that King T connected the dots and realized a Lich King was always needed to keep the Scourge in check? 2) Why do you think Tyr's Hand disappeared when it shows up as a Holy Paladin Legion Legendary?
@@Floaty98 I am aware of the difference. But the artifact weapon wasn't what I was referring to. There is a literal legendary glove that holy paladins can get that states it's Tyr's literal hand.
Well... the ones in legion are a pair of gloves not, a glove. Now minus my own snark, good questions. To why I think Teranis shouldn't have known. I assume you've played the Blades of the Fallen Prince quest line in legion. When the Frostmounre was shattered it was made quite apparent that the souls inside the shards can have their preconceptions alter. The Arthas and Ner'zhul situation. (Unless you think I completely misunderstood the scenario) If this is what can occur while the blade is broken, I figure its reasonable to assume that when it was together, altering the prescription of those within would have been incredibly easy. With this in mind it would be a rather ugly show of incompetence on the Lk's part if he let Uther and Terenis figure out everything related to the blade, the Lich king and how to defeat him, if they were imprisoned souls and were basically at the beck and call of the blade. (To me that situation literally comes across as the cliche bad guy revealing his plan in front of the heroes, just so he can be defeated later.) It seems reasonable to assume Tearnis (and in part Uther) had some form of prior knowledge of what was going on with the LK before they went into the blade, and considering the confirmations during legion that the humans had connections to Druidsum and Shamanism a very long time ago. On top of all the other lore out there, the logical leap doesn't seem to be that far-fetched. As for why I think the hand disappeared. I guess the first question is do think the chronicle image is to size or exaggerated? I think its to size. Secondly and seriously this time, they are pair of gloves, so even if they came from the actual hand, the implication is that it was melted down, but then the follow up in this case is by who, how did the gloves get to the isle, as well as where is the rest of the hand. And that's just one possibility. Overall I guess something that big, immobile and most importantly revered, doesn't just disappear. I've thoroughly speculated on what might have happened to the hand within the context of another theory. It just happens while I was making this theory, I realized the simplest answer to what happened to hand is that the Amani trolls may have destroyed it in spite, plunder or another reason. I hope these answers are satisfactory.
@@thedreadexpanse3817 I'm just going to respond to the Tyr's hand part. The legendary clearly states it's his literal hand. It's only a game mechanic that it appears on both hands of the player. Not only does the title only state it's a singular "hand" but also the flavor text explains it's the glove crafted for Tyr. The reason it's so small is because Tyr had the ability to modify his size. It's states he has this ability in the Dawn of the Aspects novel.
@@SloidVoid I know he did. And where I would like to agree that is a game mechanic, there is no way Blizz can implement different style shoulder pads on each shoulder but not different style gloves on each hand. That said if there is evidence contradicting that statement you can shut me down right now. I'll admit now my knowledge of the technical side of wow is lacking. And lets say those gloves are the hand of Tyr. Still doesn't explain how they ended up one the isle and why it seemingly went missing considering its supposed to be Landmark in Tirisfal glade.
If you liked the content leave a like, comment and share. I am always looking to improve so any feedback is appreciated. I once again have to apologies for this being so late, I would like to say I could get a consistent schedule going atm but I would be lying if I did and trust me its currently paining me not being able to make as much content as I want. There is so much to talk about.
Regardless I hope you enjoy the content
and props to those who have already figured what the next bit of contents going to be about.
I thought this was actually permanent, you were gone for 3 months. Keep up the great theories dread!
This video has more interesting lore than all BFA combined
Criminally underrated channel. Bro do some interview etc. with some streamer in order to promote the channel. When the word spreads it will be extremely popular.
Thank you. And if I have the time I will look into it.
There must always be... a Lich King
I just thought due to the scourge.
*dramatic thunder crack*
The Lordaeron circle thing is something along the lines you knew it was wrong, but you just didn't pay enough attention to figure it out. I hate that feeling. But anyway, if it truly is true, could the Gassing of Lordaeron at the start of BfA have another role other than to blow the Alliance? Alleria got a weird chill there, sure, it's associated with that little rock falling/ticking sound, but what if it was the Void calling to her a warning about that?
I agree I think the gassing did serve another purpose. I mean its always bothered me that Syl decided to leave the throne intact (or at least by in game standards). If this theory is accurate I'd assume the purpose was to clear out the city for something later. As for Alleria I also agree, if this theory is correct the void sensed something. I mean whats rather ironic is that if this is true, the light and the shadow basically had the same reaction to whatever power Syl is playing with. As in Anduin/Shalamayne to the threat in-front for them and the Shadow to the hidden threat around them.
I always thought Alleria being super alert when she heard the rocks was due to her training, she was a Farstrider after all. And Ranger General of Silvermoon at one point.
I practically screamed when I saw a new video had been uploaded! I love this and I love this channel. Please keep uploading!
Thank you and I will try.
I wanted to add to your theory;
Edit - I messed up, was still drinking my coffee. Mixed soul with will.
ICC was a titan-forged facility not yet in operation awaiting the birth of a new Titan, the Death Titan, Argus. He was supposed to facilitate balance when souls passed from that plain to the next, since he was taken over and his energy harvested to fuel the burning legion, that never happened. ICC fell into disuse, but the dark energies there prompted others to pick up the "work" without any guidance. You couple that with the fact that Yogg-Saron is trapped below, and you can guess how the facility of death became a twisted version of what it's intended purpose was (even though the name seems fitting even now). Twisted by Void 100%. ICC was intended to be a third facility meant to empower the body of of Azeroth. You had the forge of wills, the forge or origination, and the forge of ______ (one would assume "spirit", since the LK can stretch his own will out vastly outwards and enforce it on others under influence).
Since that forge is corrupted, it's likely that no one on Azeroth has ever had true freedom over their souls, and instead their overall destiny is controlled by un-sean forces. Just a pipe-theory that one. However, the loa's existence gives credence to it, the shadowlands has always had influence, seeing as the trolls where essentially the first race on Azeroth. They where not titan-forged affected with the curse of flesh like all the other races ;)....and...who infected them with the curse of flesh? It's not far of a venture to assume the curse of flesh is far more devious than just making them squishy.
Silvanas; "I will set us all free"
Also Silvanas; almost remorsefully "How can I convince you...."
I believe because of this the shadowlands has never really been working correctly in it's relationship with Azeroth. The power released in the helm was a tipping point, like if you where to inject air into two soap bubbles close to each-other. Shadowlands being one soap bubble, and Azeroth being another, the air being souls. What happens when they get too big?
I'd love to hear your thoughts, if you have a discord add me, Dr.Cosmar#3461.
Im so happy because ppl like u exist! :D
Thankx for content!
Thank you.
Oh, damn I forgot about the Kil'rogg fight and it taking place in Undercity. Good catch man.
So glad to see another video from The Dread Expanse .
I don't know if you ever saw that but in the Altar of Storms in Blasted Lands that symbol in the inferior part of the Throne Room and the magnifying glass thingy are present in the rocks. That portal was used by Razelikh (a nathrezim).
have you noticed that Arthas dads crown resembles the gift of nzoth, the ugly transmog breaking crown we had until we cleased ourselves.
Yes. Mainly because of Lhok. And trust me the possible implication surrounding that crown are another can of worms in of its self.
lordaeron's throne has the Ouroboros, a symbol of the cycle and is heavily used in shadowlands, being seen multiple times as the main symbol in oribos. the main city.
Oooh its out!! :D Nice work Etch :D and thanks for the credit :) Can't wait to see the next ones.
I will always point out the fact that his crown has an octopus
love your channel and work. keep it up!
Don't know if you've already mentioned it and I've missed it somehow but while doing research into Wildhammer dwarves for the new customization options of a dwarf shammy I've got for RP, I came across a bit of lore relating to the Twilight Highlands I hadn't discovered before known as Northeron (wow.gamepedia.com/Northeron, which is quite interesting because its literally North + Lordaeron. Furthermore, it's interesting to note the following details:
"It was known for its mysterious ironwood tree forests,[3] the torrential storms from its frozen mountains,[4] ominous and foreboding peaks,[5] and jagged ice cliffs.[6]"
If the lands were connected at some point to Northrend, I say the connection comes from the Twilight Highland side of the Eastern Kingdoms and the remnants of such a connection lingered after the Shattering. So, to both your speculations on the titan structures connecting both areas and this video, I actually believe you have a strong argument to make.
Nice find. I completely forgot about that part of the twilight highlands. This piece of info adds to an idea I tired to prove ages ago. (Something being off the north eastern coast of the eastern kingdoms).Still can't but this does add a bit more info to work with . Thank you.
@@thedreadexpanse3817 Glad I could help! :D
I noticed there is another lordaeron "plate" outside the throne room, it is located on the roof of the tomb of Terenas. There, the runes are turned towards the throne (the sun side points towards the throne).
In the meantime, I wonder what is the meaning of the two skulls we see in the Halls of Reflection that are not in the Lordaeron plate.
Also, I have been triggerd by the seat of Terenas, I'm sure the style of this seat has something to do with, eather the style of the transmog from the heroic shadowlands preorder, or symbols from Halls of valor, I cannot figure it out, maybe I'm 100% wrong ahah
Don't worry your not the only one asking these questions and if were wrong meh, it was fun while it lasted. I didn't know about tomb. Thank you for the info. I'll probably go have a look when I get the time.
What do you think the two skulls in the halls of reflection floor represent? I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
I would assume the ether represent key or locks. Most likely keys that are need to unlock something though trying to narrow down what they are connected to specifically is difficult at this point.
Is the room from which Varimathras tried to summon Sargeras in Undercity directly below the Lordareon throne room?
To my knowledge no. Unfortunately.
Another well put together video ty quack, much to consider
i liked the part about the menethil line being bound to the shadowlands, it gave me king of the north game of thrones vibes. But the rest of your theory i think you are looking too much into it.
This is unrelated, but I've been having a theory relating to Azeroth itself.I believe the Keepers in Halls of Origination each represent a key elements of Azeroth and/or it's magics; Magic, Life, Astral(Arcane) and Chaos(Destruction). I found it a bit supported by 4 of the Pillars in Sholazar Basin being similarly names. What are your thoughts on this?
Definitely possible
@@thedreadexpanse3817 I found it a cool idea since it gives more power/value to the Sun, prayers/uses surrounding it and giving some magic explanations.
My undead guy has some bad ass dancing skills
Brilliant speculation.
Hell yes! Been waiting for you to post and you did on my birthday nice!
Do you have a twitter?
Yes I do. Link should be at the bottom of the description. I will be honest though I am rather quite on twitter.
Have you played the ptr for shadowlands? theres a quest where the lich king uses the pieces of the helm around the runes on the ground on top of the frozen throne to summon a portal.. similar runes found on the throne in undercity
I haven't. I never got an alpha invite. Have seen the intro though and I was pleasantly surprised the helm was used to enter the Shadowlands. I don't think it proves theory but if the theory is accurate it leaves an interesting question about weather this possible key is the reason why Bolvar can track Sylvanas.
Ah yes, the Lordaeron Illuminati.
lol!
Don't want to talk trash but these speculation vids are 10x better than pyros
Trash talk more. :D
You can even see the ouroboros symbols on the floor :P
There is a contradiction in your halls of reflection idea tho. Back in W3: Frozen Throne, the hallways of ICC wasnt adorned yet like what we saw in WOTLK. Remember ICC in W3: FT was just a a glacier with a long stairwell and chains. Not only did it not have halls, heck it didnt even have a roof. So I think, Arthas prolly had the Halls of Reflections designed that way out of an ego trip
Also Nerzhul's spirit is gone, the one inside the artifact item was merely an echo
My general response is, its not a contradiction, its just we only saw the Frozen Throne in Warcraft 3. We didn't see anything else. So in one way, yes, you can assume ICC was only a glacier, the long stair case and chains. On the other hand its possible we didn't see everything and there were other parts of ICC that existed before Arthas created the ICC of today. This theory goes along with the latter assuming there may have been something else but I do see you point and its a very likely possibility.
I don't think it is possible imho. In the ending of the cinematic of Arthas's ascension and the main menu of W3: FT, it shows that there wasn't a citadel yet constructed around the glacier, it was literally just a naked glacier with stairs and chains exposed to the environment. The Halls of Reflection is literally the room before the throne room iirc, thus at the top floor of the citadel. Considering that the citadel itself didn't exist at that time, that would go the same for that very same hall. I believe the Lordaeron throne room and the HoR floor logo was just a coincidence
@@aputoy9627 OK. Though to be clear the Halls of Reflection and the Shadow Throne are not Frozen Throne at the top of ICC. The Shadow throne is a lot closer to ground level, so I am unsure why you think its on the top floor of the citadel.
@@thedreadexpanse3817 Maybe the runes on the floor was the thing that Arthas found, but the halls were built later to mimic the lordareon throne room.
@@shadowgamer4306 Definitely a possibility.
after the bastion afterlives video this video hits hard
How does the rumor of the scarlet crusade holding a child of royal blood play into this?
Honestly it depends if the heir is real or a lie. I am currently of the camp the scarlet's are lying, though I guess if this theory turns out to be true we may have a way to verify whose who.
I've been missing these "tinfoil hat" type theories ever since wow insider changed. The only downside in watching these, is the disappointment when blizzards writing won't be anywhere near clever and interesting.
1) Why isn't it acceptable to just agree that King T connected the dots and realized a Lich King was always needed to keep the Scourge in check?
2) Why do you think Tyr's Hand disappeared when it shows up as a Holy Paladin Legion Legendary?
to 2.) i dont think that the tyrs hand u see in legion is the "hand of tyr". its his weapon. the original tyrs hand is a silver arm prothesis.
@@Floaty98 I am aware of the difference. But the artifact weapon wasn't what I was referring to. There is a literal legendary glove that holy paladins can get that states it's Tyr's literal hand.
Well... the ones in legion are a pair of gloves not, a glove. Now minus my own snark, good questions. To why I think Teranis shouldn't have known. I assume you've played the Blades of the Fallen Prince quest line in legion. When the Frostmounre was shattered it was made quite apparent that the souls inside the shards can have their preconceptions alter. The Arthas and Ner'zhul situation. (Unless you think I completely misunderstood the scenario) If this is what can occur while the blade is broken, I figure its reasonable to assume that when it was together, altering the prescription of those within would have been incredibly easy. With this in mind it would be a rather ugly show of incompetence on the Lk's part if he let Uther and Terenis figure out everything related to the blade, the Lich king and how to defeat him, if they were imprisoned souls and were basically at the beck and call of the blade. (To me that situation literally comes across as the cliche bad guy revealing his plan in front of the heroes, just so he can be defeated later.) It seems reasonable to assume Tearnis (and in part Uther) had some form of prior knowledge of what was going on with the LK before they went into the blade, and considering the confirmations during legion that the humans had connections to Druidsum and Shamanism a very long time ago. On top of all the other lore out there, the logical leap doesn't seem to be that far-fetched.
As for why I think the hand disappeared. I guess the first question is do think the chronicle image is to size or exaggerated? I think its to size. Secondly and seriously this time, they are pair of gloves, so even if they came from the actual hand, the implication is that it was melted down, but then the follow up in this case is by who, how did the gloves get to the isle, as well as where is the rest of the hand. And that's just one possibility. Overall I guess something that big, immobile and most importantly revered, doesn't just disappear. I've thoroughly speculated on what might have happened to the hand within the context of another theory. It just happens while I was making this theory, I realized the simplest answer to what happened to hand is that the Amani trolls may have destroyed it in spite, plunder or another reason.
I hope these answers are satisfactory.
@@thedreadexpanse3817 I'm just going to respond to the Tyr's hand part. The legendary clearly states it's his literal hand. It's only a game mechanic that it appears on both hands of the player. Not only does the title only state it's a singular "hand" but also the flavor text explains it's the glove crafted for Tyr. The reason it's so small is because Tyr had the ability to modify his size. It's states he has this ability in the Dawn of the Aspects novel.
@@SloidVoid I know he did. And where I would like to agree that is a game mechanic, there is no way Blizz can implement different style shoulder pads on each shoulder but not different style gloves on each hand.
That said if there is evidence contradicting that statement you can shut me down right now. I'll admit now my knowledge of the technical side of wow is lacking.
And lets say those gloves are the hand of Tyr. Still doesn't explain how they ended up one the isle and why it seemingly went missing considering its supposed to be Landmark in Tirisfal glade.