Such a good interview. Liv pays very close attention to the answers without interrupting and Anders has lots of interesting thigns to share. Thank you.
I love his outlook, which I call pessoptimism. After really looking at the realistically worst scenarios, there's room for a great deal of hope and excitement.
Awesome channel Liv! I enjoyed the interesting conversation with Anders. I'm a bit skeptical about wether the Kardashev civilization categorical system would be a useful tool though. I imagine that any civilization that would have those capabilities would be advanced enough to evolve a more sustainable and efficient way to survive. I would also be concerned that using so much energy in any category (planet, solar, galactic, etc.) could be detrimental to the system itself which is dependent on the energy to function. If a civilization harnessed all the energy on Earth what would happen to the natural energy cycles on the planet that we depend on for all biological life to exist. I suppose if life evolved to be non biological this may make sense but it would be a tragedy if the natural world was sacrificed in the process. All the more reason to have stringent regulations in place now on the development of any artificial general intelligence. Light speed communication with multiple nanobot avatars exploring the universe is an interesting prospect. It seems they would have a better chance of traveling close to the speed of light and there would be less risk if they're destroyed. Or perhaps our future civilization will discover ways to easily tap into a type of universal consciousness and be able to explore that frontier without physically traveling? Maybe looking inward into smaller scales instead of outward to larger ones could be a better way to explore?
I search all day long to get content like this. And all I can remember is taking your money with AK suited at bellagio. You still were the girl I wish I had. But when u said your boyfriend was at the 20/40 table I knew better. The ultimate compliment really.
Just discovered this gem of a channel via a tweet that Paul Graham liked! Will be sharing with my friends and colleagues. Thanks for putting this video together and looking forward to watching more in the future! Can you please tell me where you got that planet like red sphere that you are holding in the video? You should open a shop! People would buy them in droves! 🙂
Great interview, thanks for that! Do you plan on starting a podcast with hosts like Mr. Sandberg? Just uploading the audio file to platforms like Soundclound/Spotify etc. would be sufficient.
Building a self-sustaining colony on Mars is THE mission of Space X. Not accurate what Anders Sandberg stated on this. So far there is ONE company on Earth that is actually working to create a viable business case for space exploration: Space X, precisely - guess what the X is for. :) Nice content, good video!
I started doubting if Anders is really Swedish when at 43:37 he started saying cheap instead of sheep. Pretty sure that's a glitch in the matrix right there.
While I'd prefer to fix our planet than move to a new one, we need to keep our options open! If we move, we need a different type of 'new denizen' (I hesitate to call it 'citizen', as we should be deferential to the new planet vs conquering it and wiping everything out like an invading virus) test to educate people on rules of engagement and behavior that are acceptable else they are ejected back into outer space.
I think our understanding of 'sustainable' will come home to roost before we get even close to 10bn. If we can work a way of getting down to 4bn, and fast, we might just have a chance of surviving.
The question that vexes me slightly, is does a civilization need to harness the majority of the power from the sun? (And what and why is it using it for?) With nuclear fusion reactors, surely we could generate quite a bit; essentially lots of mini suns. Secondly wouldn't we want to use energy efficiently. Or at least be looking to maximize efficiency? Furthermore, do we need all of those people? When is enough enough? Surely with AI, we're due to bound together with it in some form. And lastly, another thing, which I think is missing from this conversation. Is that humans and ideas are naturally competitive (and co-cooperative, yes); but I could certainly imagine the human race fragmenting into various ways of living, especially at the point of becoming multi planetary. You do wonder whether planetary wars are possibilities.
like, reductive in situ sculpting of asteroids into spacecraft. sounds fun, but would probably be a lot of work, at least at first. maybe use engineered bacteria to eat the rock when possible. if we could figure out how to get cosmic rays to reliably create antimatter upon collision with outer planetary atmospheres/magnetospheres, it seems like...well it just seems like.
Speculating about human beings even existing in their current biological evolutionary state beyond the next 50-100 years seems like a pointless exercise. It’s irrelevant to talk about colonizing asteroid belts before the sun becomes a red giant when we will most likely have evolved into a new species of cyborgs or be replaced by robots or be completely extinct or witnesses to an event so catastrophic it will have sent us back to the Stone Age for centuries. The better question is about motivations. What will motivate a species who understand their own mortality, motivations and existence to a point where life is incredibly predictable and mathematical. And their level of introspection and calculations of probabilities have rendered any typical human motivations completely obsolete. No beings need jobs, as energy is essentially free and infinite. Dopamine like releases of chemical happiness are on tap. Happiness and motivations are understood to a degree of meta transparency where curiosity of any undiscovered information becomes the only motivation in a world where typical shallow human motivations like survival and status acquisition are rendered irrelevant. If you look at the speculations you are making as a probability equation using words, you are making a mistake with the givens in your equation.... your assumptions about the motivations of future generations. It’s the same questionable assumptions people make about visiting alien life forms being technologically capable a vast interstellar travel yet have the same base motivations of a gorilla on our planet. Seems like a bad assumption. Also, I’d love to have you on my Barely Conscious podcast in the future ! Www.barelyconscious.com
I like his plan. I'm surprised he didn't mention the great attractor just past Virgo. That would be the natural inner city hub for everyone within about two billion light years. Just enough mass to freeze expansion and give everyone within a billion light years of there an eternal future.
Probably not. We will most likely crack the aging thing within a century. That together with the technological singularity in ~10 years and the post scarcity society... we really have no idea how life will be in only a few decades.
Liv is great... this guy is... kind of a crock. He lost me when he started talking about turning the oceans into a giant biofuel source and having trillions of people on the planet. The greater the access to energy, the more opportunities for women and girls (and access to birth control). Population stabilizes with energy access. It's a well demonstrated fact of human progress. Watch a Hans Rosling video. Or, ya know... talk about "Steam punk dyson spheres"... lol
57 minutes of complete fantasy, unlikely ever to happen. It is easy to imagine a Utopian future where humanity conquers space and populates an entire galaxy, but I didn't hear either consider the possibility of encountering an alien civilisation with the same idea. (That could get quite nasty, especially if the little blue men had religious ideas and were intent on making the entire universe believe in Bog or face annihilation.) Economics is a factor; faced with the expense of interstellar expansion, how many people would vote for it? I don't buy these ideas.
I’m not a flat earthier. I’m not any label. But what I am is someone who looks at things objectively. As I’m sure you do too. With that said how can you spend so much time talking about a topic that blatantly has its roots based mainly off of CGI and composite “images” you’re smarter than that liv.
4:45 in.... Macrolife (Greg Bear) describes the fanciful use of asteroids as habitat. This is just nonsense. Manifest Destiny all over again. Give me a break. Please.
My new favorite channel, charisma, intelligence , space, technology, aliens, universe all that and more moderated by Liv. 👏
Thanks Michal!
@@LivBoereeCan we play Polytopia?
Such a good interview. Liv pays very close attention to the answers without interrupting and Anders has lots of interesting thigns to share. Thank you.
thanks!
she's so gorgeous too
I love his outlook, which I call pessoptimism. After really looking at the realistically worst scenarios, there's room for a great deal of hope and excitement.
That's just called a realistic optimist. They aren't mutually exclusive. Realism isn't pessimism
great content, this can easily become one of my favourite youtube channels! : )
Anders Sandberg is an absolutely fantastic guest. If this man hasn't been on every big podcast yet, get him on STAT!
Wow! Absolutely fantastic interview. Expertly done!
showing an accurate and deep understanding; great perceptive. Thank you for all the insightful information. 💡
Liv, you are great and you make very deep content. From Russia.
Awesome presenting Liv, keep up the good work!!! Great topics
Awesome channel Liv! I enjoyed the interesting conversation with Anders. I'm a bit skeptical about wether the Kardashev civilization categorical system would be a useful tool though. I imagine that any civilization that would have those capabilities would be advanced enough to evolve a more sustainable and efficient way to survive. I would also be concerned that using so much energy in any category (planet, solar, galactic, etc.) could be detrimental to the system itself which is dependent on the energy to function. If a civilization harnessed all the energy on Earth what would happen to the natural energy cycles on the planet that we depend on for all biological life to exist. I suppose if life evolved to be non biological this may make sense but it would be a tragedy if the natural world was sacrificed in the process. All the more reason to have stringent regulations in place now on the development of any artificial general intelligence. Light speed communication with multiple nanobot avatars exploring the universe is an interesting prospect. It seems they would have a better chance of traveling close to the speed of light and there would be less risk if they're destroyed. Or perhaps our future civilization will discover ways to easily tap into a type of universal consciousness and be able to explore that frontier without physically traveling?
Maybe looking inward into smaller scales instead of outward to larger ones could be a better way to explore?
I search all day long to get content like this. And all I can remember is taking your money with AK suited at bellagio. You still were the girl I wish I had. But when u said your boyfriend was at the 20/40 table I knew better. The ultimate compliment really.
He looks like the kind of professor that assigns really theoretical questions that appear to have nothing to do with the course material.
haha, astute observation!
great conversation Liv. Made me sub!!
Just discovered this gem of a channel via a tweet that Paul Graham liked! Will be sharing with my friends and colleagues. Thanks for putting this video together and looking forward to watching more in the future!
Can you please tell me where you got that planet like red sphere that you are holding in the video? You should open a shop! People would buy them in droves! 🙂
this was soo awesome. !
I'm really enjoying these
This was great!
This is like a whole series of Kurtzgesaght in one video. ;)
nice!!! thanks
Great interview, thanks for that! Do you plan on starting a podcast with hosts like Mr. Sandberg? Just uploading the audio file to platforms like Soundclound/Spotify etc. would be sufficient.
From 2020
Anders is a gem.
The lady is knowledgeable. Beauty and brain! Professor is engaging.
This is such a cool video
This conversation reminds me of Olaf Stapledon's book Starmaker.
Building a self-sustaining colony on Mars is THE mission of Space X.
Not accurate what Anders Sandberg stated on this.
So far there is ONE company on Earth that is actually working to create a viable business case for space exploration: Space X, precisely - guess what the X is for. :)
Nice content, good video!
I started doubting if Anders is really Swedish when at 43:37 he started saying cheap instead of sheep. Pretty sure that's a glitch in the matrix right there.
While I'd prefer to fix our planet than move to a new one, we need to keep our options open! If we move, we need a different type of 'new denizen' (I hesitate to call it 'citizen', as we should be deferential to the new planet vs conquering it and wiping everything out like an invading virus) test to educate people on rules of engagement and behavior that are acceptable else they are ejected back into outer space.
Anders: 27:39 That is a limit, we can see the galaxies on the other side, but we can never touch.
Me: look at Liv, sigh, nostalgically agree.
Sweden represent!
Isaac Arthur's entire channel, all hundreds of vids of it. :P
I think our understanding of 'sustainable' will come home to roost before we get even close to 10bn. If we can work a way of getting down to 4bn, and fast, we might just have a chance of surviving.
The question that vexes me slightly, is does a civilization need to harness the majority of the power from the sun? (And what and why is it using it for?) With nuclear fusion reactors, surely we could generate quite a bit; essentially lots of mini suns. Secondly wouldn't we want to use energy efficiently. Or at least be looking to maximize efficiency? Furthermore, do we need all of those people? When is enough enough? Surely with AI, we're due to bound together with it in some form. And lastly, another thing, which I think is missing from this conversation. Is that humans and ideas are naturally competitive (and co-cooperative, yes); but I could certainly imagine the human race fragmenting into various ways of living, especially at the point of becoming multi planetary. You do wonder whether planetary wars are possibilities.
Enjoyed the video though!
Inside the sheld of course is perfect
So did he publish his book in the meantime? I don't find anything :(
no it's still not out yet - last time I asked he was trying to edit it down from 1000 pages!
@@LivBoeree haha, no need for that If I had any say 😉
18:23 IOT(internet of things) fixes that problem as the rings needed can auto align.
This man is fascinatingly smart
I would love to see your witty version of Between Two Ferns lol!
Resume @50:00
As far as Travel until 'we' improve our knowledge, it'll b within our solar system for next few centuries.
The future of humanity, in a word, bleak.
the host is soo pretty
The Swedish Andy Samberg is quite different than the US one...
Love is that which enables choice.
like, reductive in situ sculpting of asteroids into spacecraft. sounds fun, but would probably be a lot of work, at least at first. maybe use engineered bacteria to eat the rock when possible. if we could figure out how to get cosmic rays to reliably create antimatter upon collision with outer planetary atmospheres/magnetospheres, it seems like...well it just seems like.
Speculating about human beings even existing in their current biological evolutionary state beyond the next 50-100 years seems like a pointless exercise. It’s irrelevant to talk about colonizing asteroid belts before the sun becomes a red giant when we will most likely have evolved into a new species of cyborgs or be replaced by robots or be completely extinct or witnesses to an event so catastrophic it will have sent us back to the Stone Age for centuries. The better question is about motivations. What will motivate a species who understand their own mortality, motivations and existence to a point where life is incredibly predictable and mathematical. And their level of introspection and calculations of probabilities have rendered any typical human motivations completely obsolete. No beings need jobs, as energy is essentially free and infinite. Dopamine like releases of chemical happiness are on tap. Happiness and motivations are understood to a degree of meta transparency where curiosity of any undiscovered information becomes the only motivation in a world where typical shallow human motivations like survival and status acquisition are rendered irrelevant. If you look at the speculations you are making as a probability equation using words, you are making a mistake with the givens in your equation.... your assumptions about the motivations of future generations. It’s the same questionable assumptions people make about visiting alien life forms being technologically capable a vast interstellar travel yet have the same base motivations of a gorilla on our planet. Seems like a bad assumption. Also, I’d love to have you on my Barely Conscious podcast in the future ! Www.barelyconscious.com
I wish I had a science background just so I could talk to her...oy!
Pervert. How dare you sexualize her delicious body and beautiful face for your own loathsome lustful fantasies?!!
36:00....... 37:00....37:30
I like his plan. I'm surprised he didn't mention the great attractor just past Virgo. That would be the natural inner city hub for everyone within about two billion light years. Just enough mass to freeze expansion and give everyone within a billion light years of there an eternal future.
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Why are they sitting so close. The room is massive LOL
Thats a swanky medallion..im gonna get me one of those, only bigger
I believe it contains his info for cryopreservation, should something bad happen!
It costs around $50,000, over his lifetime.
My educational guess is that humanity will destroy it self before we even get close to level 2.
My guess is that we don't make it to year 2100.
Why so low on views and likes?
i´m chalking it up to the girl looking like an actual girl and isn´t going on about how much she hates white men.
He knows what it takes to disassemble Mercury?!! 😑 And then thinks it might make more sense to get Venus into trouble!
Future of Humanity: We're All Gonna Die
Probably not. We will most likely crack the aging thing within a century. That together with the technological singularity in ~10 years and the post scarcity society... we really have no idea how life will be in only a few decades.
Why yall gotta be sitting that close 😬
That format of a narrative is not suited for youtube, is tolerated in tv at the times people don't have any more options, now we do.
Good content but is he trying to undress her with massive gravitational waves by he's hands.
These people sit disturbingly close
Liv is great... this guy is... kind of a crock. He lost me when he started talking about turning the oceans into a giant biofuel source and having trillions of people on the planet. The greater the access to energy, the more opportunities for women and girls (and access to birth control). Population stabilizes with energy access. It's a well demonstrated fact of human progress. Watch a Hans Rosling video. Or, ya know... talk about "Steam punk dyson spheres"... lol
57 minutes of complete fantasy, unlikely ever to happen. It is easy to imagine a Utopian
future where humanity conquers space and populates an entire galaxy, but I didn't hear
either consider the possibility of encountering an alien civilisation with the same idea.
(That could get quite nasty, especially if the little blue men had religious ideas and were
intent on making the entire universe believe in Bog or face annihilation.) Economics is
a factor; faced with the expense of interstellar expansion, how many people would vote
for it? I don't buy these ideas.
Are they going to talk about the upcoming climate crisis? Because, otherwise this intrerview is pointless...
I’m not a flat earthier. I’m not any label. But what I am is someone who looks at things objectively. As I’m sure you do too. With that said how can you spend so much time talking about a topic that blatantly has its roots based mainly off of CGI and composite “images” you’re smarter than that liv.
Lol you should read your question again and realize how idiotic it is.
She definitely is smarter than that. So is everyone else.
4:45 in....
Macrolife (Greg Bear) describes the fanciful use of asteroids as habitat.
This is just nonsense. Manifest Destiny all over again.
Give me a break. Please.