@@infamousElleI believe it varies greatly from bishop to bishop what they allow, but yes, I believe this is the reason among the Amish where I am, it isn't considered humble enough. However, in my area I think some mens' clothes have buttons for practical purposes when working, but the buttons must be black IIRC.
I have a skin sensitivity to metals. I had scabs where I used pins to secure my veiling to my hair. Sometimes they would ooze water and blood. VERY comfortable and attractive. The leader of the family that sponsored me told me I had to "die to the flesh." In other words, suck it up and suffer for the rest of your life... He said similar things whenever I got sick, but would get annoyed that I would disrupt service by running to the bathroom to sick up. That being said, not all of the families were like that. I just got stuck with a "stricter" family.
For a community based on humility, this seems really fussy and arrogant about how things - things that don't actually matter for faith - should look. 🙄
Do you wear dress clothes for a wedding or do you just show up in shorts and a T-shirt? If you went to a nice sushi restaurant would you be upset if they haphazardly just threw a slice of fish, some rice, and a couple pieces of seaweed on your plate? Neither of those things ultimately matter to what's being done but they're expected, one as a show of respect for the importance of the ceremony to the people getting married, the other as a show of respect to the art of sushi.
@@Kandrallathat's a load of bs. The reason why people wear fancy clothes for weddings is 1. tradition, 2. the need to show off. Also the never ending "what will people think of me". I haven't heard about a single person who wore something fancy out of pure respect for the occasion lol And with sushi? Try throwing seaweed, fish and rice onto the plate and taste it. It won't taste the same. It won't be convenient to eat (and sushi is meant to be convenient, that's why they wrap it - so it's easy to take it somewhere and lift it to your mouth)
Okay, legit question here. How did you move around and not get poked to death/have the pins come out? Especially the wives and women who do chores around the house, they’re moving nearly all day long! Bending down, carrying things, and moving fast for laundry, cooking, not to mention running around after little ones to keep them from trouble! Would love to hear you answer this, or even make it its own video. Thanks for making your content, it’s really interesting :D
@@aileenhampton6911but even the other way of wearing it was full of pins all down the center of the chest. I think part of it is that the smaller head pins they actually used (that she showed) are also much shorter than the ball-head pins. Shorter would be less likely to prick.
At the time the Amish orders started, the women and girls would be wearing stays underneath the outer layer clothes so the pins wouldn't reach the skin.
In my 20s and 30s I made a bunch of dresses that I just slipped on over my head. Took about 4 seconds to put my dress on and head out the door. I can’t imagine spending so much time getting dressed - for any occasion - and stabbing sharp objects all over my clothes. But your dress does look sharp (excuse the unintentional pun).
I would be interested in learning about why this amount of minutiae in dress and conduct is important in the Amish community. Why are the clothes worn the styles chosen? Why so many requirements for how to dress? Things like that would be interesting to learn about.
She mentioned in passing, some of it was social differentiation between different groups of Amish. "We do it this way because (other group) does it (other way)." Things like where, exactly, the pleats go. This is a common thing historically for groups who want to maintain an isolated community, have a lot of very specific rules so you can easily tell who is part of the community and who isn't.
@@kray3883 And so you can stifle young people's instinct to express their individual style, thus encouraging the erasure of individuality in the community as a whole. I mean, wearing the same style of clothes is one thing, wearing the same _outfit_ is another, and wearing the same outfit pinned and pleated in exactly the same places and at exactly the same length is another.
Maybe they had different dresses for breastfeeding moms. I know there is a design where it unbuttons in a straight lime down the front and one side folds down in a triangle so one breast is exposed. I don't think it is amish though
What she showed you was their best formal Sunday church dress. A wife never gets to leave the house except special occasions and like the men, the women have work dresses and baby dresses. @@t.n.1116
Church is on a Sunday, but I would have to start getting ready on Saturday night! Not to mention, the Preachers would be so angry at me... pins, pleats, capes, oy vey, I could never get this on correctly, let alone without losing a lot of blood after sticking myself with all those pins! But it is pretty when it is all pinned together.
So. Many. Pins. I know pins were often used in historical clothing (like the 1600s, etc) but this feels like wayyy more! And IMO, if Amish are so concerned about modesty and covering yourself, they should just go all the way and have women wear shapeless garments and burqas to not show their figure at all. 😅 glad you can have fun wearing this and not be forced into it anymore!
i mean, yes, pins were used.....but as you say, not like this. they were more used for smaller items that were not attached to the larger garment, accessory items that were meant to be changed out, or to keep loose fabric in a particular place. less often for structural closures.
@@vp.vii4 Yes! I tried wearing Arabic and Japanese dress. The Arabic dress was very simple, just tie the ribbon inside the dress and outside -- done. The Japanese dress had super long belt called obi. It needed to be wrapped around and tied in a specific way, but learning a simple one was quite easy.
Pins were used in a pretty major ways, such as closing the bodice, attaching sleeves and collars, etc. Check out eg the getting dressed series by Crows Eye Productions
@@aiko9393 I wore old types folkdresses from my country when I was dancing. And those also were without pins. Maybe because pins here were more for the elite. It still had a lot of pieces but without pins and buttons 😅
What happened if you were in the middle of church service and one of those pins started poking at you - were you allowed to excuse yourself to fix it? I can imagine all those pins in your lower back would cause problems.
@@jennifertiemann6403 little girl you obviously have no idea what a critical thought is nor have you read your cult books or paid attention to how women are treated in all of these cults! I've spent decades reading and dealing with your kind of nonsense and all the hypocrisy thst goes with it! So unless you can convince me your sky fairy does indeed exist take your nonsense elsewhere because it's all lies and scamming!
I am not sure if it is different if you are not yet baptized, which you don't do until you are an adult and it is a serious process. But they have banns and shunning, which involves being socially ignored or restricted. It is a bigger problem in a society that relies on each other than it would be for us.
Did you ever see any amish girls or women ever wear makeup in secret? Maybe something homemade that resembled makeup or makeup they got from english people?
My mom used to tell stories about the Amish girls coming to town on Saturday and disappearing into a store bathroom and never coming out . However about twenty minutes after the Amish girls went in , the name number of girls with makeup on and wearing " English " clothing would appear to go looking for boys . This was during the 1940s .
@bobbrinkerhoff3592 when my mom went back to college in the late 2000's, she'd say there were girls from a different conservative culture that came to campus in a family approved outfit, changed to a more typical American one, then back before they were picked back up
The Amish women here in PA wear quite a bit of makeup. Not the strictest sects of course, but the Lancaster county variety. They’re a fascinating blend of old and new with their 1500s hairstyles and dress but with makeup and Gucci bags 😂
I was wondering the same thing! And about how many people would typically get in trouble on any given Sunday for not meeting the dress code for church?
What were the rules about footwear? Did you make your own shoes and boots? Were there different rules for different occasions/seasons? I’m super curious.
Women, young ladies & small children very rarely wear shoes except for the winter time. They're allowed all black shoes with no logos. I live in a rural area surrounded by Amish. They have a store just down from my house that's basically like an Amish Tractor Supply. They also sell shoes there that have been approved by the bishops for the community. I see them walking up the road all the time & during the warmer months the only ones who wear shoes are the males (the younger boys are around 8-10 if I had to guess). There is 1 older lady who wears shoes year round but I'm guessing she's in her 80's or 90's. But literally everyone else is barefoot once the weather breaks.
I'm so glad I found your channel - the algorithm is doin its thang! 😆 Thank you for sharing with us. I find the Amish lifestyle fascinating. I'm sure you don't lol 🫣
I have so many questions! 1. breastfeeding looks super difficult in that outfit (this was asked in another comment but please answer how they did it or if they had specific clothes for breastfeeding) 2. photographs/ home videos : I’m guessing there are no baby pictures or other pictures of you?? Please correct me if I’m wrong. are you sad that you don’t have those mementos? And if you do have pictures, were those pictures taken using very old cameras - like from the early 1900s or on modern devices? 3. baby care in general: what kind of diapers were used? How are babies cared for?i know you aren’t a mom yourself so maybe you don’t know but did babies cosleep, we’re they sleep trained? We’re they only breastfeed? What happened if the mom couldn’t produce enough milk? did they get formula? Pacifiers? Did you use strollers or baby carriers? Etc.
It reminds me in many ways of a special folk dress from Norway, but we have embroideries on the skirt and top and we never used pins, but very special seams that was constructed to give the garment a special shape. We have the same strict rules as to how things are supposed to look or be tucked. The Amish dress is probably very inspired by how simple farm people dressed hundreds of years ago in Europe. It was very interesting to watch. The entire dress actually accentuates the breasts and waist so it is quite surprising.
Lol well your video brings back tons of memories for myself. I grew up in a cult of my own and while i have to say i was able to wear clothing of my own choosing....boy were there rules to go with. I got stuck with plenty of pins myself due to alterations or pins in my clothing to make it fit dress code. I still to this day as an adult have trouble wearing some things because i feel uncomfortable in it.
😮 Oh my! I'd sew clear buttons on one of those dresses And the clear buttons do come small😊 I do appreciate the Amish 😊 We happen to have Amish Families here in the North Country. And they're the nicest people you'd ever want to know. And they're hard working kind folks😊.
How would you do your hair? I assume women had to have it long under the caps, but also assume bobby pins might be too "fancy". Was there a specific "allowed" hairstyle, or was it basically whatever as long as it fit under the cap?
It could be anything from public humiliation in front of the whole community, extra chores that benefit the community, up to being shunned. It depends on the severity of the offense. Being shunned is like being excommunicated. You are kicked out if the community and never allowed to return. Your family has to cut ties with you... & you're left to figure it out on your own.
What did you wear for everyday clothes ?? I can't imagine a nursing momma having to wear that!!!🙄 As an ex- Hutterite I can relate to a bun ch of the ridiculous hangups with clothes , lengths of clothes or color of shoes
The blue dress is the everyday dress, she showed it once. How they wear it in a normal day, but still too much pin. Idk what they do when somebody is a nursing mother
With all the straight pins, the backing that belts around the waist, and the cape that looks like a historical fischu on top, this is very reminiscent of 1700's fashion. (Which makes sense, given that Señor Google just told me that the Amish began in the 1700's.) A dress with a Mantua as its base that pins in the front, so Robe à la française or a front-pinning Robe à l’anglaise (since the main difference between them is the back). It's very strange as a historical sewist to see similar construction, but VERY different aesthetics (no bows, no ruffles, no paniers).
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Wow, that's a lot of work. And that "ouch" proves the straight pins are dangerous. All those pins holding the material together is like pinning a pattern together before the pieces are sewn together. Buttons would make it so much easier. Do they not use button on clothing? Anyway, the dress 👗 does look pretty on you😊
Loving your videos. So interesting. As a Christian I've always been interested in the Amish way of life, and although I disagree with the legalism and rules and regulations that are man made, I do love how they grow their own food and everything's pure and clean in their diet. We can learn so much from them. I was watching snippets of Breaking Amish, have you seen it?
Thank you for sharing! I am one of those that loves the Amish, but from a screen 📺 😂❤ or a book 📚 😅❤ My mom has actually been terrified about me reading my Amish books and wanting to join 😂 We don’t even have the Amish here in Norway 🇳🇴 Anyway this was very informative and fascinating 😊 So much complexity for something so simple. I would never know how many pieces did go into this if you had not shown this and the other video. I have seen some others to but not from the Swartzentruber. I knew it was a lot of pinning since bottoms was to fancy, but still this was way more complex and I do sew but this is a skill to make the different pieces correctly. I saw my skirt skirt with a zipper when I was nine years old. I did use a sewing machine. How early do you learn to sew? May I also ask what was the undergarments in the wintertime? You said a slip/underdress in the other video, but do you also have wool? I am Apostolic Pentecostal so I use skirts all year round, but I do have some good “long johns” or what you call them in wool, and also a ski/thermo pants to wear under a long thermo skirt in the winter. I am outside all year long, and very active, and the Amish has the buggies and all the animals to care for so I am just wondering about how to keep warm. I have heard the buggies in your subgroup of the Amish has open buggies and are especially cold in the winter, and some uses hot stones to get some warmth in the wintertime. Thanks again, and I have even been on TikTok because of you and that is really not my jam 🤣🥰 Love from Johanne, Norway 🇳🇴
Nope couldn't do it . I would need a transfusion before the day was out lol. I respect the Amish lifestyle as in the way they live simply . I could do most of it and be happy except the clothes. Thank you for sharing .
Trying to imagine nursing a baby in that, during church or anywhere else especially when they get to the grabby stage. Where do you put all the pins until you put yourself together again? Or do women just not go anywhere until the baby is done nursing and how does that work when there are so many kids?
Maybe there are rules how much time the babies are feed. The same as some modern parenting style say you just gave formula your baby in every 3 hours. And than just leave the baby in her bed.
@@vp.vii4 babies should be fed when they are hungry which could be more often than every 3 hours and even every 3 hours might not align with when church happens. They also don't always want to go back to sleep after the first few months.
@@kickfroggy I totally know it, but if you read after it there were and there are a lot of crazy stuff about how to deal with a baby and parenting things. So I was thinking maybe Amish have a rule for it too. Like they only take bath once a week or she speak about they did not wash teeth until an age and do it only when they have that bath.
@@angelaclements1244 you are allow but if somebody say hey I leave they would start convince her to stay, it is like a mental thing. It is hard to leave the only place to know in the world. And sometimes just leave without telling anybody is the only way mentally. And we just say for it run away. But if it is better, okay, left without telling her people
This style of dress is very different than what most of the Kidron Amish wear. My parents live there and are Amish. My mom wears a simple pullover style dress usually. If she goes out she would pin on an apron and that’s it.
That is so much to do on your own, even once a week. I couldn't quit admiring how pretty your eyes are and you also. Glad you did what allows you to be who you want to be.
The Amish pin origin story; There was a Preacher's wife who had 9 girls under the age of 5. She was so busy during the week milking cows, tending crops, cooking, laundry, etc... She was 9mos pregnant w/triplets and didn't have time to finish sewing dresses that Sunday. Her husband said they were going to be late, it was the first time she ever raised her voice to him saying "PINS! EVERYONE IS GOING TO USE PINS FROM THIS DAY FORWARD"!!
That afternoon she had her triplets(again), milked the cows(again), made dinner, and right before she fell asleep her husband remembered to wish her a happy 23 birthday.
That sounds like a myth to me. Pins were the main mode of fastening dress throughout a huge portion of history, before buttons became popular around 1800. The Amish stuck with the pins because their religion is about rejecting change and modern ways of living.
@@CindersSpot it's also about being (or appearing to be) as humble as possible, even as a form of competition towards other groups, as you heard in the video. buttons have been common fastening for a very long time, like, since Roman times probably, so they're not anything modern. wearing cotton as a westerner, however, that's a pretty modern thing, and I bet that's what these dresses are made of. (and the fabric is almost certainly made industrially, I don't think they weave their own. so much for "rejecting modernity"😆)
@@AliciaB. I mean, fair enough. I never said that buttons were never used before 1800, just that they weren't the most common fastening method for fastening dresses in the period before 1800. From the 16th to 18th century, lacing and pins were much more common (speaking from a Western perspective here). I'm not super familiar with medieval styles, but I believe they mostly use lacing too? I'm not Amish, but I assume humility is also part of the reasons they don't use lacing or boning? Probably shows off your figure too much.
How in the world are Amish women supposed to breastfeed in something like that? So many pins! Such a complicated outfit! How do Amish women move around and take care of so many kids with pins just sticking out all over the outfits!😮
Thank you for sharing, it's really interesting to see how it all goes together. It has certain similarities to the head dresses worn by Presentation sisters (Catholic nuns) which were entirely held together by pins and how that was done has to be seen to be believed. The nuns put their veils together (consisting of 5 different pieces)every Sunday and, for the rest of the week took them off carefully each evening because it took too long to put them together from scratch each day. I believe that those particular habits and veils were designed by bishops for the nuns in 1800s. Presumably as a form of control. I would guess that this dress and scarf/bib were designed, more than likely by the men at the top, for the same reason. Google 'changing the habit nano nagle cork' to see what the nuns wore if you're interested.
This is a form of “slavery” and “bondage” to a man’s standard of legislating for women what is “righteousness “. If the preacher is that focused on how correctly a person has dressed herself, his focus is on the wrong things and needs to be focused on God. It is just ridiculous, especially deciding/requiring the number of pins and pleats a person must have. They should make the men use pins and see how they like it.
The men farm all day as if they were living in the 19th century, not using tractors or modern balers. Men in the amish community suffer a lot of inconveniences too
@@MONSTERKILL2013 depends on which sect they are from . Many have a horse drawn baler that is powered by a small gasoline or diesel engine . My neighbor drives a horse and buggy , yet has a skid steer for use on the farm . Many have tractors with steel wheels on them , for when they do have to go out on the road , they slip rubber tires over the steel wheels but do not put air in them .
You just gave me more motivation to keep practicing on closing buttons, even though its incredibly difficult for my autism and brain damage. I would destroy myself if I had to use pins...
Oh this is so interesting, that dress actually has a lot of similarities to some German and Swiss folk dresses. Especially the cape seems very familiar. Which of course makes sense considering the Amish originally come from Southern Germany and Switzerland. Obviously the folk dresses would be a lot more ornate and complex but still.
Honestly, some Military uniform standards aren't much different from all that: Rules on spacing, placement, order of precedence for awards, can't have more than.... , gig lines, etc. Makes jammies feel like heaven........
It depends on the individual community. I'm surrounded by old order Amish & I've never noticed if their women ever wear brown. Lol! But I have seen them wear darker colors like burgundy, dark purple, navy blue, & dark green. I can say that when they hang their laundry out some of them have floral sheets & brightly colored towels 🤣
Actually very helpful, to understand the book " John Adams" Abigale Adam's is constantly asking john to send her pins. She could keep what she needed and sell what she had left, thanks. Seems like a crazy way to fasten your clothes.
In South Africa there are some Afrikaans People who belong to a strict religious group who ate known as 'did blourokkies' (the little blue dresses) I wonder if they are related to the Amish. The Afrikaans People also call the likes of me English
I could not- my anxiety with so many pins and them all pricking me with every move. Especially up and down in the pews I’m assuming, and sitting and scooting getting comfortable, and going to the bathroom- the anxiety would be very high.
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today I learned not to take buttons for granted
Or zippers, or velcro.
I’ve never seen anything so complicated that is supposed to be the model of simplicity?! And for gods sakes what is wrong with buttons!!
I guess buttons would make the fabric less multipurpose. Just a guess
Buttons are considered fancy.
I could imagine since the dress is meant to be something you wear even as you grow, that the pins make it more adjustable.
At least hooks and eyes
@@infamousElleI believe it varies greatly from bishop to bishop what they allow, but yes, I believe this is the reason among the Amish where I am, it isn't considered humble enough. However, in my area I think some mens' clothes have buttons for practical purposes when working, but the buttons must be black IIRC.
"I was such a rebel. My cape went out past my shoulders." Imagine
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I have a skin sensitivity to metals. I had scabs where I used pins to secure my veiling to my hair. Sometimes they would ooze water and blood. VERY comfortable and attractive. The leader of the family that sponsored me told me I had to "die to the flesh." In other words, suck it up and suffer for the rest of your life...
He said similar things whenever I got sick, but would get annoyed that I would disrupt service by running to the bathroom to sick up.
That being said, not all of the families were like that. I just got stuck with a "stricter" family.
@@dihydrogenmonoxide7056 I'm really sorry, that sounds so awful:(( Sending hugs 🫂
@@dihydrogenmonoxide7056I’m so sorry
I think you’re very brave showing us as it must stir up memories good and bad. Thank you very much.
So true
For a community based on humility, this seems really fussy and arrogant about how things - things that don't actually matter for faith - should look. 🙄
Exactly...things that make no difference to salvation.
Do you wear dress clothes for a wedding or do you just show up in shorts and a T-shirt? If you went to a nice sushi restaurant would you be upset if they haphazardly just threw a slice of fish, some rice, and a couple pieces of seaweed on your plate? Neither of those things ultimately matter to what's being done but they're expected, one as a show of respect for the importance of the ceremony to the people getting married, the other as a show of respect to the art of sushi.
@@Kandrallathat's a load of bs. The reason why people wear fancy clothes for weddings is 1. tradition, 2. the need to show off. Also the never ending "what will people think of me". I haven't heard about a single person who wore something fancy out of pure respect for the occasion lol
And with sushi? Try throwing seaweed, fish and rice onto the plate and taste it. It won't taste the same. It won't be convenient to eat (and sushi is meant to be convenient, that's why they wrap it - so it's easy to take it somewhere and lift it to your mouth)
@@deliriouscheeto
"1. tradition"
Exactly.
"and sushi is meant to be convenient"
It's also meant to be beautiful. Go watch "Jiro Dreams of sushi".
@@Kandralla Maybe it's meant to be beautiful now, but not when it was invented. It was peasant food. Peasants didn't care if it was beautiful.
Okay, legit question here. How did you move around and not get poked to death/have the pins come out? Especially the wives and women who do chores around the house, they’re moving nearly all day long! Bending down, carrying things, and moving fast for laundry, cooking, not to mention running around after little ones to keep them from trouble! Would love to hear you answer this, or even make it its own video. Thanks for making your content, it’s really interesting :D
Same
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I assume that's why this is a church outfit, more formal with less movement.
@@aileenhampton6911but even the other way of wearing it was full of pins all down the center of the chest.
I think part of it is that the smaller head pins they actually used (that she showed) are also much shorter than the ball-head pins. Shorter would be less likely to prick.
At the time the Amish orders started, the women and girls would be wearing stays underneath the outer layer clothes so the pins wouldn't reach the skin.
So now I know why there was no hugging - PINS. You'd totally stab each other with all those.
Amish woman always have to look out for immoral men with powerful magnets.
Amish Magneto😂
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Lol!
In my 20s and 30s I made a bunch of dresses that I just slipped on over my head. Took about 4 seconds to put my dress on and head out the door. I can’t imagine spending so much time getting dressed - for any occasion - and stabbing sharp objects all over my clothes.
But your dress does look sharp (excuse the unintentional pun).
Imagine on little kids
I would be interested in learning about why this amount of minutiae in dress and conduct is important in the Amish community. Why are the clothes worn the styles chosen? Why so many requirements for how to dress? Things like that would be interesting to learn about.
She mentioned in passing, some of it was social differentiation between different groups of Amish. "We do it this way because (other group) does it (other way)." Things like where, exactly, the pleats go. This is a common thing historically for groups who want to maintain an isolated community, have a lot of very specific rules so you can easily tell who is part of the community and who isn't.
@@kray3883 And so you can stifle young people's instinct to express their individual style, thus encouraging the erasure of individuality in the community as a whole. I mean, wearing the same style of clothes is one thing, wearing the same _outfit_ is another, and wearing the same outfit pinned and pleated in exactly the same places and at exactly the same length is another.
@@AliciaB.How modern.
Control and suppression.
It's control and obedience.
You've got to admit, that dress construction is genius. Not so fun, though, if that is your identity everyday for life.
Thanks for showing us!
I’m curious if Amish mothers often breastfeed? I can’t imagine having to constantly pin and unpin to feed a hungry baby!
Especially because so many of Amish woman give birth 10-20 times in their life.
I can hardly imagine they didn’t breastfeed though!
Was wondering the same... there's no way they could unfasten all those pins every time the baby is hungry.
Maybe they had different dresses for breastfeeding moms. I know there is a design where it unbuttons in a straight lime down the front and one side folds down in a triangle so one breast is exposed. I don't think it is amish though
What she showed you was their best formal Sunday church dress. A wife never gets to leave the house except special occasions and like the men, the women have work dresses and baby dresses. @@t.n.1116
Church is on a Sunday, but I would have to start getting ready on Saturday night! Not to mention, the Preachers would be so angry at me... pins, pleats, capes, oy vey, I could never get this on correctly, let alone without losing a lot of blood after sticking myself with all those pins! But it is pretty when it is all pinned together.
It's so fascinating to see that the Amish ladies secured their dresses the same way the Colonials did.
Well they haven't changed since those days so not really surprising.
I found that interesting too, the difference being they weren't pinning on top of fully boned stays -- yikes.
So. Many. Pins. I know pins were often used in historical clothing (like the 1600s, etc) but this feels like wayyy more! And IMO, if Amish are so concerned about modesty and covering yourself, they should just go all the way and have women wear shapeless garments and burqas to not show their figure at all. 😅 glad you can have fun wearing this and not be forced into it anymore!
This pin thing is soo weird, like there are easier way to make clothes without buttons than pin yourself
i mean, yes, pins were used.....but as you say, not like this. they were more used for smaller items that were not attached to the larger garment, accessory items that were meant to be changed out, or to keep loose fabric in a particular place. less often for structural closures.
@@vp.vii4 Yes! I tried wearing Arabic and Japanese dress. The Arabic dress was very simple, just tie the ribbon inside the dress and outside -- done. The Japanese dress had super long belt called obi. It needed to be wrapped around and tied in a specific way, but learning a simple one was quite easy.
Pins were used in a pretty major ways, such as closing the bodice, attaching sleeves and collars, etc. Check out eg the getting dressed series by Crows Eye Productions
@@aiko9393 I wore old types folkdresses from my country when I was dancing. And those also were without pins. Maybe because pins here were more for the elite. It still had a lot of pieces but without pins and buttons 😅
And then you had to sit with all those pins!!?! I bet they would poke you.
If you arent spiritual beforehand, you'll start praying to not get poked 😅❤
😂
From a costuming and construction of clothing standpoint this is really cool
What happened if you were in the middle of church service and one of those pins started poking at you - were you allowed to excuse yourself to fix it? I can imagine all those pins in your lower back would cause problems.
I imagine like all religions if your just a woman it doesn't matter if you're in pain!
@sw7833 where did you get that nonsense from? "All" religions don't have an "I don't care about women" attitude. That's just silly.
@@jennifertiemann6403 little girl you obviously have no idea what a critical thought is nor have you read your cult books or paid attention to how women are treated in all of these cults! I've spent decades reading and dealing with your kind of nonsense and all the hypocrisy thst goes with it! So unless you can convince me your sky fairy does indeed exist take your nonsense elsewhere because it's all lies and scamming!
😂😂😂❤
@@sw7833as a pagan I disagree with “all religions”
I’m finding your videos extremely interesting. Just curious what happens when you get in trouble. Was it just a reprimand from the church leaders?
also curious about this
I am not sure if it is different if you are not yet baptized, which you don't do until you are an adult and it is a serious process. But they have banns and shunning, which involves being socially ignored or restricted. It is a bigger problem in a society that relies on each other than it would be for us.
Did you ever see any amish girls or women ever wear makeup in secret? Maybe something homemade that resembled makeup or makeup they got from english people?
My mom used to tell stories about the Amish girls coming to town on Saturday and disappearing into a store bathroom and never coming out . However about twenty minutes after the Amish girls went in , the name number of girls with makeup on and wearing " English " clothing would appear to go looking for boys . This was during the 1940s .
@bobbrinkerhoff3592 when my mom went back to college in the late 2000's, she'd say there were girls from a different conservative culture that came to campus in a family approved outfit, changed to a more typical American one, then back before they were picked back up
The Amish women here in PA wear quite a bit of makeup. Not the strictest sects of course, but the Lancaster county variety. They’re a fascinating blend of old and new with their 1500s hairstyles and dress but with makeup and Gucci bags 😂
@@margaretqueenofscots9450 They're probably Mennonite, which isn't the same.
Imagine... being fancy isn't allowed, but this is FAR more fancy than any pair of leggings or t-shirt I've ever worn 😅
What happened if you were in trouble? Please tell me if this is rude to ask
I was wondering the same thing! And about how many people would typically get in trouble on any given Sunday for not meeting the dress code for church?
What were the rules about footwear? Did you make your own shoes and boots? Were there different rules for different occasions/seasons? I’m super curious.
Women, young ladies & small children very rarely wear shoes except for the winter time. They're allowed all black shoes with no logos.
I live in a rural area surrounded by Amish. They have a store just down from my house that's basically like an Amish Tractor Supply. They also sell shoes there that have been approved by the bishops for the community.
I see them walking up the road all the time & during the warmer months the only ones who wear shoes are the males (the younger boys are around 8-10 if I had to guess). There is 1 older lady who wears shoes year round but I'm guessing she's in her 80's or 90's. But literally everyone else is barefoot once the weather breaks.
@@feliciam2953Wow, I didn't know they ran around barefoot. Thanks for sharing 😊
@@feliciam2953 also they wear shoes when they are on their period, regardless of season.
I'm so glad I found your channel - the algorithm is doin its thang! 😆 Thank you for sharing with us. I find the Amish lifestyle fascinating. I'm sure you don't lol 🫣
Lol I am glad you're here! It is fascinating. just not meant for me lol
I have so many questions!
1. breastfeeding looks super difficult in that outfit (this was asked in another comment but please answer how they did it or if they had specific clothes for breastfeeding)
2. photographs/ home videos : I’m guessing there are no baby pictures or other pictures of you?? Please correct me if I’m wrong. are you sad that you don’t have those mementos? And if you do have pictures, were those pictures taken using very old cameras - like from the early 1900s or on modern devices?
3. baby care in general: what kind of diapers were used? How are babies cared for?i know you aren’t a mom yourself so maybe you don’t know but did babies cosleep, we’re they sleep trained? We’re they only breastfeed? What happened if the mom couldn’t produce enough milk? did they get formula? Pacifiers? Did you use strollers or baby carriers? Etc.
There is one photo of her from her Amish days. It's been posted on her channel's community page, and also briefly appears in Drew Binsky's video.
Yes that blue and white look amazing on you!!
It reminds me in many ways of a special folk dress from Norway, but we have embroideries on the skirt and top and we never used pins, but very special seams that was constructed to give the garment a special shape. We have the same strict rules as to how things are supposed to look or be tucked.
The Amish dress is probably very inspired by how simple farm people dressed hundreds of years ago in Europe.
It was very interesting to watch. The entire dress actually accentuates the breasts and waist so it is quite surprising.
This was really interesting, thank you for sharing. I have to say, the outfit looks really pretty.
Lol well your video brings back tons of memories for myself. I grew up in a cult of my own and while i have to say i was able to wear clothing of my own choosing....boy were there rules to go with. I got stuck with plenty of pins myself due to alterations or pins in my clothing to make it fit dress code. I still to this day as an adult have trouble wearing some things because i feel uncomfortable in it.
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Oh my!
I'd sew clear buttons on one of those dresses
And the clear buttons do come small😊
I do appreciate the Amish 😊
We happen to have Amish Families here in the North Country.
And they're the nicest people you'd ever want to know.
And they're hard working kind folks😊.
Your feed popped up. I love learning about different cultures! That blue brought out the blue in your eyes! Now I'm subscribed.
Talk about controlling! Holy crap this is nuts! I'm so glad you escaped girl! ❤
I hope this is not too personal. What did amish women wear for undergarments? Like corsets / stays or underwear?
How would you do your hair? I assume women had to have it long under the caps, but also assume bobby pins might be too "fancy". Was there a specific "allowed" hairstyle, or was it basically whatever as long as it fit under the cap?
I'd love to see a "doing hair for church" as a sequel. ❤
When you always say, “or else you would get in trouble”
What were the punishments? What did it mean to you to “get in trouble.” ??
It could be anything from public humiliation in front of the whole community, extra chores that benefit the community, up to being shunned. It depends on the severity of the offense.
Being shunned is like being excommunicated. You are kicked out if the community and never allowed to return. Your family has to cut ties with you... & you're left to figure it out on your own.
You are allowed to return to the community if you publicly repent and ask forgiveness in front of the whole congregation.
What did you wear for everyday clothes ??
I can't imagine a nursing momma having to wear that!!!🙄
As an ex- Hutterite I can relate to a bun ch of the ridiculous hangups with clothes , lengths of clothes or color of shoes
The blue dress is the everyday dress, she showed it once. How they wear it in a normal day, but still too much pin. Idk what they do when somebody is a nursing mother
You crack me up! Love your spunk!
With all the straight pins, the backing that belts around the waist, and the cape that looks like a historical fischu on top, this is very reminiscent of 1700's fashion.
(Which makes sense, given that Señor Google just told me that the Amish began in the 1700's.)
A dress with a Mantua as its base that pins in the front, so Robe à la française or a front-pinning Robe à l’anglaise (since the main difference between them is the back).
It's very strange as a historical sewist to see similar construction, but VERY different aesthetics (no bows, no ruffles, no paniers).
Very interesting comment.
Yay top 18 comments and top 54 likes. Love this channel. Best to you and your family. Thanks for making this video. I especially love this Amish outfits content. Happy holidays!!!!!
Girl, you make that outfit look fly as hell! Love it on you - for fun, though, not for every Sunday. 😂❤
Wow, that's a lot of work. And that "ouch" proves the straight pins are dangerous. All those pins holding the material together is like pinning a pattern together before the pieces are sewn together. Buttons would make it so much easier. Do they not use button on clothing? Anyway, the dress 👗 does look pretty on you😊
Loving your videos. So interesting. As a Christian I've always been interested in the Amish way of life, and although I disagree with the legalism and rules and regulations that are man made, I do love how they grow their own food and everything's pure and clean in their diet. We can learn so much from them. I was watching snippets of Breaking Amish, have you seen it?
That blue, woah, that's def your color girl! You are so beautiful.
Heaven forbid you had to go pee…! Even just to sit down in church had to hurt with all those pins. Thank you for sharing! 9:24
Not enough pins 🤪 I’m glad you escaped. I hope your family supports you ❤️
Very interesting, Thank you for Sharing! And, you look lovely in this lovely dress! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thank you for sharing! I am one of those that loves the Amish, but from a screen 📺 😂❤ or a book 📚 😅❤ My mom has actually been terrified about me reading my Amish books and wanting to join 😂 We don’t even have the Amish here in Norway 🇳🇴 Anyway this was very informative and fascinating 😊 So much complexity for something so simple. I would never know how many pieces did go into this if you had not shown this and the other video. I have seen some others to but not from the Swartzentruber. I knew it was a lot of pinning since bottoms was to fancy, but still this was way more complex and I do sew but this is a skill to make the different pieces correctly. I saw my skirt skirt with a zipper when I was nine years old. I did use a sewing machine. How early do you learn to sew? May I also ask what was the undergarments in the wintertime? You said a slip/underdress in the other video, but do you also have wool?
I am Apostolic Pentecostal so I use skirts all year round, but I do have some good “long johns” or what you call them in wool, and also a ski/thermo pants to wear under a long thermo skirt in the winter. I am outside all year long, and very active, and the Amish has the buggies and all the animals to care for so I am just wondering about how to keep warm.
I have heard the buggies in your subgroup of the Amish has open buggies and are especially cold in the winter, and some uses hot stones to get some warmth in the wintertime.
Thanks again, and I have even been on TikTok because of you and that is really not my jam 🤣🥰
Love from Johanne, Norway 🇳🇴
Nope couldn't do it . I would need a transfusion before the day was out lol. I respect the Amish lifestyle as in the way they live simply . I could do most of it and be happy except the clothes. Thank you for sharing .
Christmas Wrap has so much more meaning now. TY!
Trying to imagine nursing a baby in that, during church or anywhere else especially when they get to the grabby stage. Where do you put all the pins until you put yourself together again? Or do women just not go anywhere until the baby is done nursing and how does that work when there are so many kids?
Maybe there are rules how much time the babies are feed. The same as some modern parenting style say you just gave formula your baby in every 3 hours. And than just leave the baby in her bed.
@@vp.vii4 babies should be fed when they are hungry which could be more often than every 3 hours and even every 3 hours might not align with when church happens. They also don't always want to go back to sleep after the first few months.
@@kickfroggy I totally know it, but if you read after it there were and there are a lot of crazy stuff about how to deal with a baby and parenting things. So I was thinking maybe Amish have a rule for it too. Like they only take bath once a week or she speak about they did not wash teeth until an age and do it only when they have that bath.
Idk how you survived this way of living
Just how the people back thank. And she born into it. But it is clear why she run away
@@vp.vii4you are allowed to leave so there's no reason to run away
@@angelaclements1244 you are allow but if somebody say hey I leave they would start convince her to stay, it is like a mental thing. It is hard to leave the only place to know in the world. And sometimes just leave without telling anybody is the only way mentally. And we just say for it run away. But if it is better, okay, left without telling her people
Having to wear all those pins, I'd run away too, lol
I’m surprised it wasn’t tie closures instead of pins.
I hear" this is not allowed" so many times...this is horrible...so restricted😢...
Were the regulations for men and children as strict?
We lived in Kidron Ohio for many years and had many Amish neighbors. I always wondered how long it took them to get dressed!!
This style of dress is very different than what most of the Kidron Amish wear. My parents live there and are Amish. My mom wears a simple pullover style dress usually. If she goes out she would pin on an apron and that’s it.
That is so much to do on your own, even once a week. I couldn't quit admiring how pretty your eyes are and you also. Glad you did what allows you to be who you want to be.
The Amish pin origin story; There was a Preacher's wife who had 9 girls under the age of 5. She was so busy during the week milking cows, tending crops, cooking, laundry, etc... She was 9mos pregnant w/triplets and didn't have time to finish sewing dresses that Sunday. Her husband said they were going to be late, it was the first time she ever raised her voice to him saying "PINS! EVERYONE IS GOING TO USE PINS FROM THIS DAY FORWARD"!!
That afternoon she had her triplets(again), milked the cows(again), made dinner, and right before she fell asleep her husband remembered to wish her a happy 23 birthday.
That sounds like a myth to me. Pins were the main mode of fastening dress throughout a huge portion of history, before buttons became popular around 1800. The Amish stuck with the pins because their religion is about rejecting change and modern ways of living.
@@CindersSpot it's also about being (or appearing to be) as humble as possible, even as a form of competition towards other groups, as you heard in the video.
buttons have been common fastening for a very long time, like, since Roman times probably, so they're not anything modern. wearing cotton as a westerner, however, that's a pretty modern thing, and I bet that's what these dresses are made of. (and the fabric is almost certainly made industrially, I don't think they weave their own. so much for "rejecting modernity"😆)
@@AliciaB. I mean, fair enough. I never said that buttons were never used before 1800, just that they weren't the most common fastening method for fastening dresses in the period before 1800. From the 16th to 18th century, lacing and pins were much more common (speaking from a Western perspective here). I'm not super familiar with medieval styles, but I believe they mostly use lacing too? I'm not Amish, but I assume humility is also part of the reasons they don't use lacing or boning? Probably shows off your figure too much.
Having multiples in the amish must of been tough. You wouldn't have time for chorus. Just looking after babies and.washing diapers.
Major Belle from Beauty and the Beast vibes
Yes, exactly😊
How in the world are Amish women supposed to breastfeed in something like that? So many pins! Such a complicated outfit! How do Amish women move around and take care of so many kids with pins just sticking out all over the outfits!😮
Thank you for sharing, it's really interesting to see how it all goes together. It has certain similarities to the head dresses worn by Presentation sisters (Catholic nuns) which were entirely held together by pins and how that was done has to be seen to be believed. The nuns put their veils together (consisting of 5 different pieces)every Sunday and, for the rest of the week took them off carefully each evening because it took too long to put them together from scratch each day. I believe that those particular habits and veils were designed by bishops for the nuns in 1800s. Presumably as a form of control. I would guess that this dress and scarf/bib were designed, more than likely by the men at the top, for the same reason.
Google 'changing the habit nano nagle cork' to see what the nuns wore if you're interested.
This is a form of “slavery” and “bondage” to a man’s standard of legislating for women what is “righteousness “. If the preacher is that focused on how correctly a person has dressed herself, his focus is on the wrong things and needs to be focused on God. It is just ridiculous, especially deciding/requiring the number of pins and pleats a person must have. They should make the men use pins and see how they like it.
I believe in the strictest orders, that the men do use pins.
The men farm all day as if they were living in the 19th century, not using tractors or modern balers. Men in the amish community suffer a lot of inconveniences too
They do wear pins 🤷
@@MONSTERKILL2013 depends on which sect they are from . Many have a horse drawn baler that is powered by a small gasoline or diesel engine . My neighbor drives a horse and buggy , yet has a skid steer for use on the farm . Many have tractors with steel wheels on them , for when they do have to go out on the road , they slip rubber tires over the steel wheels but do not put air in them .
It doesn't matter what sect, they still don't use modern balers or modern tractors@@bobbrinkerhoff3592
So how do you pick up toddlers and do your work, with all those pins everywhere?
Very carefully!
You just gave me more motivation to keep practicing on closing buttons, even though its incredibly difficult for my autism and brain damage. I would destroy myself if I had to use pins...
I cannot imagine wrangling kids with that many pins in my dress! I feel like that's a recipe for getting pricked by the 🤣
I hear you say 'you'd get in trouble' a lot. What did 'trouble' look like?
I'd love to see a video on how Amish women do their hair. I have hair down to my knees so I'm curious to know how they do their hair.
Did the pins come out when you were running around or playing, or picking up kids and poke you or the kid??
I can't help but wonder how you keep from getting poked from all the pins
It must have been difficult to do farm work in a dress with that many pins.
We did get really good at putting them on in a way that prevents pricking all the time
The Amish white cover of head is so beautiful, I would like to have a costume like that, the blue and white is wonderful 😍
That actually looks very pretty.
Oh this is so interesting, that dress actually has a lot of similarities to some German and Swiss folk dresses. Especially the cape seems very familiar. Which of course makes sense considering the Amish originally come from Southern Germany and Switzerland. Obviously the folk dresses would be a lot more ornate and complex but still.
I can't for the life of me figure out what the Amish have against buttons.
But why are they against living, that’s my question….
What age did you learn to do this by yourself? What did you wear to bed? I assume you took all the pins out and changed into something else to sleep?
If you could estimate, how many pins would you use to put that outfit together?
Gotta say, I kinda love the pins. They're convenient, and you don't have to worry about matching. I'm just not sure how comfortable they'd be.
You look beautiful. I never knew it would be so much fun to get dressed
That dress gives you a sophisticated look of purity , I have to say your a beauty...
What type of clothes fasteners did guys have? Did they also get dress coded at church or in daily life?
Super interesting! It would be cool to see one about Amish men’s outfits too, though maybe a bit harder for you to model!
I still cannot believe that Amish women are held together by pins.
What did actually mean "to get in trouble"? What were the consequences?
Why couldn't you use safety pins instead? They would be easier to use and safer.
That is too flashy, to decadent and too modern. They weren’t even allowed to have colored pin heads or pins that weren’t parallel. It’s nuts
Honestly, some Military uniform standards aren't much different from all that: Rules on spacing, placement, order of precedence for awards, can't have more than.... , gig lines, etc. Makes jammies feel like heaven........
This is the video that made me understand or realize the enormous control you have to live under to be a member of this type of religious society.
Does anyone know what is the reason for blue clothing? (It looks beautiful... just wonderful why not a more simpler color like brown?)
It depends on the individual community. I'm surrounded by old order Amish & I've never noticed if their women ever wear brown. Lol! But I have seen them wear darker colors like burgundy, dark purple, navy blue, & dark green.
I can say that when they hang their laundry out some of them have floral sheets & brightly colored towels 🤣
Crazy!! The amount of pins and such to get dressed. 😮 We have noth Old Order and another sect around these areas. Never knew how they got dressed.
Why not just create the look of the pinned dress on the outside permanently sewn and then do a side zipper? Done.
Zippers not allowed
The pins look so silly..like they left the house in the middle of sewing the dress. I’ve always thought that.😅
Actually very helpful, to understand the book " John Adams" Abigale Adam's is constantly asking john to send her pins. She could keep what she needed and sell what she had left, thanks. Seems like a crazy way to fasten your clothes.
How often were you stuck by the straight pins?
And after all that, she is still ready quicker than my wife when we are just running out to do errands.
😂😂
In South Africa there are some Afrikaans People who belong to a strict religious group who ate known as 'did blourokkies' (the little blue dresses) I wonder if they are related to the Amish. The Afrikaans People also call the likes of me English
I could not- my anxiety with so many pins and them all pricking me with every move. Especially up and down in the pews I’m assuming, and sitting and scooting getting comfortable, and going to the bathroom- the anxiety would be very high.
I love getting dressed for church. I usually wear dresses in pink, black with white polka dots, pink with flowers, and red.
Did you wear any sort of bra or corset under the dress? Is there a layer between the dress and the sling to prevent you from pricking yourself?
Can you do a video about the day you ran away?
Acupuncture in the worst way.😊