The overshooting is intended. The light spray that rains down under the main water stream is the useful part, it gets the roof wet, large areas, and even on the other side of the house.
So painful to watch, seeing water from deck gun glancing the top of the fire but not the source of the fire. I'm not a fireman but common sense tells me to train the hose at the burning material and not at the fire it creates.
If the first engine had stopped 80 feet sooner, it could have fired that deck gun directly into the burning unit instead of being blocked by the unit's end wall, or shooting over the building into the next parking lot over.
I hate being critical of brother firefighters but the first five minutes was a total waste of water. First due placement is critical to the outcome of every fire.
Well I'm not going to dress it up. That was tough to watch. I know apartment complex fires are difficult but there didn't seem to be any solid plan of attack at all from what I can see
I have noticed over many fires that firefighters get to the scene, and they are not ready to grab hose, poles, or ladders because they are busy still putting on Nomex, and SCBAs. That is a real problem. This is not the worst fire by any stretch, like some I have seen from the middle of the Country. Ladder Truck was a Day Late, And A Dollar Short. That wind was terrible to manage to avoid fire extension. Videography was spot on, Thank You.
+James Strange That second unit was burning before the first truck arrived, Strange. In the attic. And the roof did just what it is supposed to do. Kept the water out. That means you have to go inside and pull ceiling and kill it from underneath, Strange. And lightweight construction that has been burning for more than five minutes will collapse suddenly and without warning, and kill firefighters. Strange, isn't it?
It looks like the fire chief decided to wait for the news cameras to arrive before doing any kind of REAL firefighting. Way to go guys... you saved the foundation!
I really do have immense respect for the fire services (world wide)- but unless I am totally misunderstanding things this clip displays a complete lack of organisation, effort to attack the fire or effective use / placement of engines and hoses. Makes me wonder if these crews have any idea of basic principles, sufficient leadership or training in how to use their equipment ? This has to be an exception to an incredible job they normally do.
So what I've learned from binge-watching a bunch of these videos, is that once your dwelling starts on fire, you might as well write it off and just hope that it doesn't take the neighbors' dwellings with it. That's not a criticism of the fire departments as I have no experience or training it that, that's just my observations from all the videos I have seen.
Robert Watson Holy crap!!! Sounds more like the three stooges to me. I was a fireman in milwaukee. To have guys fighting over who gets the nozzle is just plain unprofessional, stupid and DANGEROUS. While they fight, people die and houses burn.
You can affect the movement of fire through the entrainment of air via hose streams, ventilation based fire movement. Water itself does not cause fire to move. I suggest you read again.
Plenty of things wrong with this response and "attack". First ladder company arrives over 11 minutes into the video, in reality it was probably more like 20-30 minutes. If they had that ladder set up an aerial attack on the fire building right off the bat, they would have been able to knock that down much faster. Also for that first due engine that rolled up, horrible rig placement. As someone in the comments said, if he would have backed up maybe 30-70 feet then he would have been able to hit the fire building dead on with master stream. Spraying a fire sharp narrow stream straight over the roof will not do anything in this sort of situation. Also the guys on the ground never made a good attack. They started off by hitting the side of the building with almost no fire. Hit the fire dead on! Defeat it at its source! Just a horrible job all together.
12 :30 into fire, FINALLY see some pipemen up close & doing it right . Briefly. Lady w/ no gear, on deck gun, looked more like trying to knock building down. Tampa is in Hillsborough County. Hoping they are separate & much better. "Million dollar apparatus, nickel & dime firefighters."
Horrible tactics. Pushing the fire through the structure with a deck gun. Get in there with a 2 1/2 and steam convert. Spraying 1000gpm over the seat of the fire, missing it. Just bad tactics.
artifactingreality Im sure she ran out of water runiing the deck gun without a supply at first. Never seen anything that odd, flowing a waste of water over the building, they could have blitzed it up under the deck roof and into the apartment. Would have knocked lots of that down in 2 minutes. But it looks to me as if she ran out of water prior to hooking up the 5" to the hydrant.
And then it took so long to hook up, unbelievably long. I don't know the details of what obstacles were there but how long does it take a couple of burly guys to run a hose? Does the tank need to charge first? What was going on?
Your being nice by JUST saying poor placement. They screwed up so bad that it would have been worth shutting down and repositioning to get that BETTER angle on the fire.
25mfd well I hate to be a backseat driver lol. I am trying to be nice but yea it was really bad, they would have been better off ;leaving that spot clear for the first due truck company, moving around to the other side and syretching a line or 2 to get started on the fire while waiting for the truck company.
Joe Petrick Well the bad part is that once you commit, your pretty much stuck right where you are. So if your on an engine and you layout and charge supply lines and handlines, you gotta play it out right where you stand. Same with a truck, if you get the outriggers out and down and the arieal up your there till the end. Placement is key. So if the engine and truck are coming from OPPOSITE directions, the engine stops short to leave room for the truck in front. If both are coming from the same direction and the engine is first in, the engine pulls past the building front, to leave room for the truck. But SOMETIMES folks forget or get caught up in the moment. It happens.
25mfd incident command needed. they should of stopped 20 ft earlier. deck gun would of been more effective if the operator would of pulled the pin that lets you lower the stream. COME ON TAMPA. Sorry brothers I hate seeing camera phones on our jobs too.IAFF
This is why i believe in water sprinkles it saves lives less damage to property and belongings fire sprinkles may cost a bit to install but they are life savers.
Very sad... So much damage could have been prevented if every building was equipped with proper fire hoses, and the occupants had some sort of fire fighting training. By the time the fire fighters arrive and make everything ready, the whole building is gone.
Too bad there were no Leaders/Real Chiefs in charge there. Size-up didn't happen, and it appeared the first on-scene didn't want to be responsible for making a decision. Hope they got some Experienced leadership since this video took place. You all know what this looks like to the rest of us. Denial won't work. Training works better.
the only thing that stopped this fire was the fire wall at the stairwells.Fires in common attics cannot be extinguished from above. Roofs are designed to shed water. Assignments go like this. first in engine attack apartment of origin transitional attack complete a primary search for trapped or dead residents, second engine pull ceilings wall to wall in exposure apartment on C side, Third engine pull ceilings in A side exposure wall to wall. First truck cut a trench to stop attic fire progression, second truck utilities salvage exposures. If you think that a direct attack on the apartment of origin is suicide you obviously have no experience. Ladder pipe operations are ineffective in this fire and cause extensive water damage to the apartments below. Deck gun operations in this case are inappropriate for the same reason. it is clear that exterior operations on a fire like this are ineffective. anybody who thinks that interior operations on this fire are dangerous is also inexperienced. This department is poor at best. hope their medics are better at medical calls than their suppression members are at firefighting.
It always amazes me how long American firefighters need to get water on a fire. Security, sure, but sheesh, this is people's stuff and lives burning there. Move your asses!
Are we seriously comparing other firefighters to American firefighters?? We all do the same job but use different tactics, just as the buildings involved vary from country to country..
***** Yea, you can be safe, but when you are the first in engine company and the only unit on scene, get your ass in there and put the fire out , you cant always think safety when you are a firefighter
***** If these guys would have pulled around the next corner or the officer did a half ass 360. They would have been able to put water on the fully involved apartment from the first shot.
My final comment. Why wasn’t a truck company dispatched on initial response on a two story apartment fire and I hope that that operator who was using deck gun gets promoted.......to your fire prevention bureau. Me, retired 34 year firefighter in California San Francisco Bay Area. Instructed in our Academies, started on engine companies then to truck company for 12 years. This apartment could’ve had less damage if the IC and first in Engine Captain had thought things through. I will use this video for my students on what not to do. I’m glad no one got hurt though.
Don't you just love the way they build so many apartment buildings in this country!!! And to think they're now building 5-7 story wooden apartment buildings all across the country, many going up in the L.A. area! Wait 'til one of these fire traps goes up in flames!!! Good business for the lumber companies as they know the majority of these will not be rebuilt with concrete, like so much of the rest of the world, but rebuilt with wood again! The American way! Home of the Brave!
These departments are very slow to establish fighting fires. It is pathetic. Hats off to New York and Chicago departments. They are two departments that take an aggressive approach to putting out fires and saving structures.
First on scene did not do a 360, most of the fire was on the back not the front. Very poor deployment of resources until ladder truck arrived and went to the back, way too late.
First due engine-hookup to closest hydrant/deck monitor should have variable tip,not str tip.If eng has foam tank,then a 1% foam w/ the water would have done a great deal to halt fire spread on the top floor.Alot of fire departments still use evolutions and tactics from the 50s/60s.They call it tradition/I call it afraid to the modern era.
Bad apparatus placement, master stream was a waste and was used before positive water was established. Crew had no sense of urgency, no plan and no clue. TAMPA needs to get it together.
Yes, what a circus this was....worse attack i've ever witnessed....person behind the camera did an OUTSTANDING job from start to finish....enjoyed your coverage.....
Nothing like setting up the deck gun to push the fire through the entire attic. FF 101, fight from the unburned area and push it back on itself. I know, Monday morning and all. That is why it is a "basic" tactic.
This self-vented fire would have been an easy knock down if they would have simply made an interior attack. The fact that they decided to initially use the deck gun puzzles me. This fire would have easily been out in minutes with an 1 3/4 line. They lost this fire and cost the entire complex.
Another odd thing is 7 minutes on scene, and not 1 truck company on scene yet? A tower ladder could have controled lots of that fire within 5 minutes if one had been on scene with the 1st engine, This is a very strange fire attack, no doubt about it.
In the beginning of the video, it appears this is simply an apartment fire that has extended to the eaves and then into the attic. My point is that if (give a clear shot and good access), a well directed stream into the apartment would've knocked down a tremendous amount of fire. So, using your lack of manpower argument, this would've been a great tactic with low manpower. After that, you go interior and begin addressing fire extension, etc. Nothing earth shattering my friend.
I couldn't help but notice that there were 2 firefighters standing at the stairs spraying water where it didn't need to be sprayed. That building should have been contained within 5 minutes of the first engine pulling up. the deck gun was useless. They have all those engines in front of the fire building, yet the last truck on scene should have been in front of the fire building instead it was on the other side of the tree line not able to get to the fire building. smh
@@jimdee6698 Exactely , they tried to prevent it from spread. Same with the deck gun firing at the roof behind the fire. But they had a bad day , the fire was agressive and already big.
I really think more of the structure could have been saved.... The deck gun was useless, and the building could clearly have been entered regarding residents still getting stuff from their homes.
Actually, the deck gun is the perfect thing to use in this situation, IF you have it in the right position. You often need a spotter because it's hard to see exactly where you're hitting from right behind it. And they should've used a larger tip with a lower pressure to lob it in with more of an arc, like a foul shot. Many times too much pressure is used and you overshoot the fire. Still not too bad of a stop, they just need to refine their technique with the deckgun.
I'm not a fire fighter, but from what I saw here from the beginning it just seemed they did very little to stop this fire. the whole damn place burnt down.
The first in unit should have stopped sooner. protect the fire from spreading. they assisted the spread by pushing the fire into the next apartment. WOW what a cluster F. I think I should point out this is the Hillsbough County FD not City of TampaFD.
Residential framing is only rated for 5-10 minutes of direct flame contact before it becomes a collapse hazard. In a heavy involved fire like that, there is not much you can do with 1 crew. Too risky to send a crew in if there are not trapped victims.
You are correct that the deck gun wasn't doing much, but if they had used better techinque it could've done a lot more. There was a lot of fire in the attic space, which is hard to hit with a handline. I've seen a lot of firefighters do the same thing with large handlines, they use it at a too low of an angle and completely miss the fire.
No, he was distributing water in a long line under the main water stream. Most water gets elsewhere, but the little water that rains down from the stream is good enough to make a roof wet, even on the other side that you can not even see.
In addition if that was the closest hydrant and that's where they wanted to set up shop then a ground monitor with a 3inch line placed at the patio with a good aggressive attack could have knocked the fire down with in minutes and freed up man power.The deck gun was useless because of the Engine placement.Also the second due engine had a 2 1/2 spraying at the exterior wall of the next door unit why i have no clue that did less then the deck gun.
With as much fire was showing when the first truck pulled up it was already spreading through the common roof line. It was older construction and not sprinklered
Bad position on engine for deck gun attack should have been 10 ft back then then water might have actually hit the fire and knocked a lot of it down faster
Great deck gun blitz. Sure kept the smoke column nice and cool for that fire to rage on. Smh
I don't typically respond to things like this because I wasn't here and everyone makes mistake but, WOW this was painful to watch
The biggest problem is that a large percentage of the water is overshooting the target.
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Jaw Tooth the biggest problem is you don’t have a fucking clue of what your talking about
Jaw Tooth the biggest problem is the houses are made of wood and cardboard
@@glennhuber4975 Apparently you were watching a different video than the rest of us.
The overshooting is intended. The light spray that rains down under the main water stream is the useful part, it gets the roof wet, large areas, and even on the other side of the house.
So painful to watch, seeing water from deck gun glancing the top of the fire but not the source of the fire. I'm not a fireman but common sense tells me to train the hose at the burning material and not at the fire it creates.
*YES ...WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THIS "FIRE VIDEOS" ....*
That was just to painful to watch how many chances they missed to a fast attack.
That deck gun was a waste of water. Didn't even hit the fire
If the first engine had stopped 80 feet sooner, it could have fired that deck gun directly into the burning unit instead of being blocked by the unit's end wall, or shooting over the building into the next parking lot over.
I hate being critical of brother firefighters but the first five minutes was a total waste of water. First due placement is critical to the outcome of every fire.
Looked like the neighbours garden got plenty of water
@@1961fireguy First 5 minutes at any fire is usually a clusterfuck anyway..
Or stretch the line and get in the attic.
Even in that final position, 6-12 seconds aiming at the attic will kill the fire!!!.
The main problem living in the apartment, you would not find many garden (water) hose?
Well I'm not going to dress it up. That was tough to watch. I know apartment complex fires are difficult but there didn't seem to be any solid plan of attack at all from what I can see
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No truck work: Trench the roof
@@24680jru ...a joke???, flames are THROUGH the roof!!!
I have noticed over many fires that firefighters get to the scene, and they are not ready to grab hose, poles, or ladders because they are busy still putting on Nomex, and SCBAs. That is a real problem. This is not the worst fire by any stretch, like some I have seen from the middle of the Country. Ladder Truck was a Day Late, And A Dollar Short. That wind was terrible to manage to avoid fire extension. Videography was spot on, Thank You.
Wow....slow water deployment. That second unit went up while waiting for the hoses to be deployed, charged, etc..
+James Strange That second unit was burning before the first truck arrived, Strange. In the attic. And the roof did just what it is supposed to do. Kept the water out. That means you have to go inside and pull ceiling and kill it from underneath, Strange. And lightweight construction that has been burning for more than five minutes will collapse suddenly and without warning, and kill firefighters. Strange, isn't it?
all they are missing is the benny hill music.
Ive never seen so many firetrucks doing so little.
artifactingreality until you put on turnouts keep your post to yourself if you look and listen everyone is in pump mode
Is this your first circus?
artifactingreality it’s Florida. Everyone down there moves slow.
artifactingreality never seen a comment before mean so little!! Sit back enjoy the armchair and let the big boys work
I guess putting the wet stuff on the red stuff is over rated. Amazing things happen when you do that...the fire goes out
It looks like the fire chief decided to wait for the news cameras to arrive before doing any kind of REAL firefighting. Way to go guys... you saved the foundation!
Dastardly "observation".
I live in an apartment. This really scares me.
Get renter's insurance.
@@MrShobar Smoke detectors first
@@tomp8871 Those are a requirement. The landlord must provide them.
I really do have immense respect for the fire services (world wide)- but unless I am totally misunderstanding things this clip displays a complete lack of organisation, effort to attack the fire or effective use / placement of engines and hoses. Makes me wonder if these crews have any idea of basic principles, sufficient leadership or training in how to use their equipment ? This has to be an exception to an incredible job they normally do.
Yeah this was not a good example. Like at all.
So what I've learned from binge-watching a bunch of these videos, is that once your dwelling starts on fire, you might as well write it off and just hope that it doesn't take the neighbors' dwellings with it. That's not a criticism of the fire departments as I have no experience or training it that, that's just my observations from all the videos I have seen.
That is painful to watch. I remember when my apartment in Dallas burned up in March of 1982. I lost everything.
Our family home burned up in 1992. We lost everything as well.
8:47 Somebody needs to take the deck gun away from that crew until they learn how to use it.
lol just spraying over the top of the flames for the first 5 mins...
Would you mind explaining that reason? I do know a few things about fire and putting water ON it not OVER it is what needs to be done.
lol people just standing there in the way..ALWAYS!
An aerial would have been better suited for this particular situation.
Tell me about it. Poor firefighting operations here.
Robert Watson
Holy crap!!!
Sounds more like the three stooges to me.
I was a fireman in milwaukee. To have guys fighting over who gets the nozzle is just plain unprofessional, stupid and DANGEROUS.
While they fight, people die and houses burn.
couldn't watch any more, more training needed
You can affect the movement of fire through the entrainment of air via hose streams, ventilation based fire movement. Water itself does not cause fire to move. I suggest you read again.
Plenty of things wrong with this response and "attack". First ladder company arrives over 11 minutes into the video, in reality it was probably more like 20-30 minutes. If they had that ladder set up an aerial attack on the fire building right off the bat, they would have been able to knock that down much faster. Also for that first due engine that rolled up, horrible rig placement. As someone in the comments said, if he would have backed up maybe 30-70 feet then he would have been able to hit the fire building dead on with master stream. Spraying a fire sharp narrow stream straight over the roof will not do anything in this sort of situation. Also the guys on the ground never made a good attack. They started off by hitting the side of the building with almost no fire. Hit the fire dead on! Defeat it at its source! Just a horrible job all together.
Liam Pattison Photography Make it better next time
12 :30 into fire, FINALLY see some pipemen up close & doing it right . Briefly.
Lady w/ no gear, on deck gun, looked more like trying to knock building down.
Tampa is in Hillsborough County. Hoping they are separate & much better. "Million dollar apparatus, nickel & dime firefighters."
Liam Pattison Photography how about you stick to photography and let them stick to firefighting
Wow perfect video on what not to do when fire fighting, response, deployment, setup etc....
Horrible tactics. Pushing the fire through the structure with a deck gun. Get in there with a 2 1/2 and steam convert. Spraying 1000gpm over the seat of the fire, missing it. Just bad tactics.
***** and they stopped spraying for like 5 minutes, to have a cigarette maybe?
***** check out NIST studies on "pushing fire with water" its worth the time to check it out. stay safe
artifactingreality Im sure she ran out of water runiing the deck gun without a supply at first. Never seen anything that odd, flowing a waste of water over the building, they could have blitzed it up under the deck roof and into the apartment. Would have knocked lots of that down in 2 minutes. But it looks to me as if she ran out of water prior to hooking up the 5" to the hydrant.
And then it took so long to hook up, unbelievably long. I don't know the details of what obstacles were there but how long does it take a couple of burly guys to run a hose?
Does the tank need to charge first? What was going on?
+Christopher Foley
I had the same thoughts. It appeared they let this fire walk away from them.
FD is having a Parade, and the deckgun is SALUTING the fire - what else is new?
NOW THATS FUNNY, the deckgun is saluting the fire.
Finally, someone videoing these fires stays until the very end, to show the the total loss after the fire trucks are gone.
I hope there wasn't another fire in the area.
The deck gun was great for watering the other apartments grass ?
wow, remind me not to go to Tampa, FL. this response was a joke. this should be a vid on what not to do.
poor placement of first due engine company, deck gun was useless.
Your being nice by JUST saying poor placement.
They screwed up so bad that it would have been worth shutting down and repositioning to get that BETTER angle on the fire.
25mfd
well I hate to be a backseat driver lol. I am trying to be nice but yea it was really bad, they would have been better off ;leaving that spot clear for the first due truck company, moving around to the other side and syretching a line or 2 to get started on the fire while waiting for the truck company.
Joe Petrick Well the bad part is that once you commit, your pretty much stuck right where you are.
So if your on an engine and you layout and charge supply lines and handlines, you gotta play it out right where you stand.
Same with a truck, if you get the outriggers out and down and the arieal up your there till the end.
Placement is key.
So if the engine and truck are coming from OPPOSITE directions, the engine stops short to leave room for the truck in front. If both are coming from the same direction and the engine is first in, the engine pulls past the building front, to leave room for the truck.
But SOMETIMES folks forget or get caught up in the moment. It happens.
25mfd
incident command needed. they should of stopped 20 ft earlier. deck gun would of been more effective if the operator would of pulled the pin that lets you lower the stream. COME ON TAMPA. Sorry brothers I hate seeing camera phones on our jobs too.IAFF
firedawg190 Just to make it clear that's the county not the city
This is why i believe in water sprinkles it saves lives less damage to property and belongings fire sprinkles may cost a bit to install but they are life savers.
Very sad... So much damage could have been prevented if every building was equipped with proper fire hoses, and the occupants had some sort of fire fighting training. By the time the fire fighters arrive and make everything ready, the whole building is gone.
Too bad there were no Leaders/Real Chiefs in charge there. Size-up didn't happen, and it appeared the first on-scene didn't want to be responsible for making a decision. Hope they got some Experienced leadership since this video took place. You all know what this looks like to the rest of us. Denial won't work. Training works better.
Everybody's a keyboard firefighter now a days huh
the only thing that stopped this fire was the fire wall at the stairwells.Fires in common attics cannot be extinguished from above. Roofs are designed to shed water. Assignments go like this. first in engine attack apartment of origin transitional attack complete a primary search for trapped or dead residents, second engine pull ceilings wall to wall in exposure apartment on C side, Third engine pull ceilings in A side exposure wall to wall. First truck cut a trench to stop attic fire progression, second truck utilities salvage exposures. If you think that a direct attack on the apartment of origin is suicide you obviously have no experience. Ladder pipe operations are ineffective in this fire and cause extensive water damage to the apartments below. Deck gun operations in this case are inappropriate for the same reason. it is clear that exterior operations on a fire like this are ineffective. anybody who thinks that interior operations on this fire are dangerous is also inexperienced. This department is poor at best. hope their medics are better at medical calls than their suppression members are at firefighting.
It always amazes me how long American firefighters need to get water on a fire. Security, sure, but sheesh, this is people's stuff and lives burning there. Move your asses!
Are we seriously comparing other firefighters to American firefighters?? We all do the same job but use different tactics, just as the buildings involved vary from country to country..
***** Yea, you can be safe, but when you are the first in engine company and the only unit on scene, get your ass in there and put the fire out , you cant always think safety when you are a firefighter
if they would have hit the door as soon as they got off the truck, there would'nt be that much of a risk.....
***** If these guys would have pulled around the next corner or the officer did a half ass 360. They would have been able to put water on the fully involved apartment from the first shot.
It always amazes me how people always gotta stand in the way!
My final comment. Why wasn’t a truck company dispatched on initial response on a two story apartment fire and I hope that that operator who was using deck gun gets promoted.......to your fire prevention bureau. Me, retired 34 year firefighter in California San Francisco Bay Area. Instructed in our Academies, started on engine companies then to truck company for 12 years. This apartment could’ve had less damage if the IC and first in Engine Captain had thought things through. I will use this video for my students on what not to do. I’m glad no one got hurt though.
When the chief stands a block away, talks to the news media and his portable never puts his running gear on. I could see they’re being led from above.
Why do apartment builds and complex’s not have a sprinkler system to spot wide spread damage like this.
Nice video, and i'm sorry for the peoples who lost their homes.
I love the colour on the fire engines :D
Agreed!
Don't you just love the way they build so many apartment buildings in this country!!! And to think they're now building 5-7 story wooden apartment buildings all across the country, many going up in the L.A. area! Wait 'til one of these fire traps goes up in flames!!! Good business for the lumber companies as they know the majority of these will not be rebuilt with concrete, like so much of the rest of the world, but rebuilt with wood again! The American way! Home of the Brave!
These departments are very slow to establish fighting fires. It is pathetic. Hats off to New York and Chicago departments. They are two departments that take an aggressive approach to putting out fires and saving structures.
Look at all the back seat drivers! Shame on you fellow firefighters.
County Fire Departments leave a lot to be desired. Thank God I worked the City
Engine 31, lets just fire over the flames shall we and clear on outta there!! SMDH!
First on scene did not do a 360, most of the fire was on the back not the front. Very poor deployment of resources until ladder truck arrived and went to the back, way too late.
Lots of Beautiful Fire Trucks Let down big time by the lack of Fire fighting skills in there training.
Andy Neal and your an ass
yes, there was a TON of overshoot. NO - you dont have to be an ass about it.
First due engine-hookup to closest hydrant/deck monitor should have variable tip,not str tip.If eng has foam tank,then a 1% foam w/ the water would have done a great deal to halt fire spread on the top floor.Alot of fire departments still use evolutions and tactics from the 50s/60s.They call it tradition/I call it afraid to the modern era.
Bad apparatus placement, master stream was a waste and was used before positive water was established. Crew had no sense of urgency, no plan and no clue. TAMPA needs to get it together.
Not Tampa
Bad response time. That was horrible
NOT TRUE. POLICE CAR BLOCKING ENTRANCE TO COMPLEX
common attic claims another apartment complex.
Yes, what a circus this was....worse attack i've ever witnessed....person behind the camera did an OUTSTANDING job from start to finish....enjoyed your coverage.....
I just love the armchair firefighters
What an embarrassment for the fire service.
that sounded like chief telling them to set up the deck gun.
did i hear the get out signal?
Nothing like setting up the deck gun to push the fire through the entire attic. FF 101, fight from the unburned area and push it back on itself. I know, Monday morning and all. That is why it is a "basic" tactic.
Video is very well done...because of the panning you did showing the surrounding area and apparatus that were there. Good job!
what took so long to get the hoses out and start putting water on the fire , they need to go back to fire school
And of course typical you don't think what careless crap started the fire!!
This self-vented fire would have been an easy knock down if they would have simply made an interior attack. The fact that they decided to initially use the deck gun puzzles me. This fire would have easily been out in minutes with an 1 3/4 line. They lost this fire and cost the entire complex.
Another odd thing is 7 minutes on scene, and not 1 truck company on scene yet? A tower ladder could have controled lots of that fire within 5 minutes if one had been on scene with the 1st engine, This is a very strange fire attack, no doubt about it.
Was a ladder Co. closer to the scaen than an engine co.?
In the beginning of the video, it appears this is simply an apartment fire that has extended to the eaves and then into the attic. My point is that if (give a clear shot and good access), a well directed stream into the apartment would've knocked down a tremendous amount of fire. So, using your lack of manpower argument, this would've been a great tactic with low manpower. After that, you go interior and begin addressing fire extension, etc. Nothing earth shattering my friend.
kms101 There was a hydrant 15' from the first arriving engine.
I’m glad my 1 bedroom apartment has 5 sprinklers in it.
Exactly what I thought before reading your comment.
I would have been pretty pissed if i owned the appartment that's on fire!
eng411 it was kept to the 2 units that were involved upon arrival. What are you not seeing?
Deck gun would of been 10 times more effective if the rig was parked 50 feet back. I mean come on, probably 80 percent of that water going right over.
f0rumrr enjoy that armchair do yea? Prolly not even a firefighter, so can’t justify your comment .
Glenn Huber water needs to be sprayed on the fire, not through the smoke. And before you make a snarky reply, I was a firefighter/emt for 15 years.
I couldn't help but notice that there were 2 firefighters standing at the stairs spraying water where it didn't need to be sprayed. That building should have been contained within 5 minutes of the first engine pulling up. the deck gun was useless. They have all those engines in front of the fire building, yet the last truck on scene should have been in front of the fire building instead it was on the other side of the tree line not able to get to the fire building. smh
George Raab you’re ridiculous
Well I see fire where they were you should open your eyes
They were preventing extension of the fire to the adjoining units.
@@jimdee6698 Exactely , they tried to prevent it from spread.
Same with the deck gun firing at the roof behind the fire.
But they had a bad day , the fire was agressive and already big.
Eerily similar to the one in my complex in Irving Texas last December. sent a video response.
one unit at first now like 4 or 5 units could have did more with a garden hose first 5 min
I really think more of the structure could have been saved.... The deck gun was useless, and the building could clearly have been entered regarding residents still getting stuff from their homes.
Actually, the deck gun is the perfect thing to use in this situation, IF you have it in the right position. You often need a spotter because it's hard to see exactly where you're hitting from right behind it. And they should've used a larger tip with a lower pressure to lob it in with more of an arc, like a foul shot. Many times too much pressure is used and you overshoot the fire. Still not too bad of a stop, they just need to refine their technique with the deckgun.
I'm not a fire fighter, but from what I saw here from the beginning it just seemed they did very little to stop this fire. the whole damn place burnt down.
The first in unit should have stopped sooner. protect the fire from spreading. they assisted the spread by pushing the fire into the next apartment. WOW what a cluster F. I think I should point out this is the Hillsbough County FD not City of TampaFD.
Go back to school or become an educated FF you cant push fire.
Residential framing is only rated for 5-10 minutes of direct flame contact before it becomes a collapse hazard. In a heavy involved fire like that, there is not much you can do with 1 crew. Too risky to send a crew in if there are not trapped victims.
Good video, pathetic firefighting.
Pluff Mudd good video, pathetic comment
Pluff Mudd good video, pathetic comment
@@glennhuber4975 you're a failure
Was this the Barney Fife Fire Department? I mean - Get the water on the fire!!!
I play games on my computer with more urgency.
You are correct that the deck gun wasn't doing much, but if they had used better techinque it could've done a lot more. There was a lot of fire in the attic space, which is hard to hit with a handline. I've seen a lot of firefighters do the same thing with large handlines, they use it at a too low of an angle and completely miss the fire.
An interior attack via the stairs between the units by the first engine would have stopped the fire.
How di you get a copyright on your video? Just write it somewhere in the video, or do you have to go to some authority to get proof?
The wind is up this will burn very fast. Andy England
very sad hope they get help form friend and famliy
Always a shame when a home goes on fire :(
Great video, not so much on fire operations!
Monte de Veículos modernos e centenas de Homens mas quando chegam sempre é tarde demais!!!!
All i have to say is wow.
This is why you never trust Fire Departments with yellow rigs. It just ain't natural
The deck gun operator should try aiming at the fire lol
No, he was distributing water in a long line under the main water stream. Most water gets elsewhere, but the little water that rains down from the stream is good enough to make a roof wet, even on the other side that you can not even see.
I hope everyone is ok
wow 11 min for a ladder truck. should have had 2 in 3-5 min. conf. fire, and apt building
In addition if that was the closest hydrant and that's where they wanted to set up shop then a ground monitor with a 3inch line placed at the patio with a good aggressive attack could have knocked the fire down with in minutes and freed up man power.The deck gun was useless because of the Engine placement.Also the second due engine had a 2 1/2 spraying at the exterior wall of the next door unit why i have no clue that did less then the deck gun.
With as much fire was showing when the first truck pulled up it was already spreading through the common roof line. It was older construction and not sprinklered
Bad position on engine for deck gun attack should have been 10 ft back then then water might have actually hit the fire and knocked a lot of it down faster
9 minutes in and it seems they're spraying everywhere the fire isnt....strange.
What Time Did This Happen Please Respond And I Noticed that The Trees Were on fire.