Like Louis Rossman said a while ago, companies just see people as a roadblock between them and THEIR money, that happens to be in YOUR pocket at the moment
That's Win11 in a nutshell. It doesn't provide anything that's better than Win10 and in many cases it's worse. Microsoft has decide to take the gloves off and tell people what they can do with their PC's whether they like it or not.
@@quademasters249😂 and they can go right ahead and smash (compress) their market share even harder. You'd think their Colossus belting from European governments might wake them up but.. nope 🤣
This makes me furious. I'm a psychologist. The idea of screenshots of clinical notes existing without my awareness or consent is completely unacceptable.
Microsoft could get you hit with a HIPPA voilation for screenshoting patient info as the claim that it was done with the intent to distribute could be made, especially if the files location gets hacked and leaked
I work in a hospital as a patient registar, and I just found copilot on our new computers last week. I look at patients' personally identifiable private health information all day -- full name and dob, mother's maiden name, ssn, insurance information, home and mailing address -- and when i called IT to ask wtf was going on, nobody had any answers or even any idea what this was or why it could be a problem. This has me really worried.
A month or two ago I discovered that Microsoft's AI installed itself onto my computer without my knowledge or consent. An AI installing itself onto computers is the thing of sci-fi horror novels/movies, I'm surprised Microsoft didn't consider that, or maybe they just don't care. Needless to say, I switched my computers over to Linux ASAP. I still have a very small windows partition for the few apps I have which don't work on Linux(yet) but now 98% of my home computer time is in Linux. I know that's not a viable option for everyone, especially at work, but hopefully it will become one soon.
@@unskeptable Strictly speaking you are correct, but you miss the point. Viruses and other malware don't technically install themselves either. But wether they do or not, I don't want them on my computer.
@@KeppyKangaroo Good thing there's always an alternative to game engines. As far as the OS goes most will be stuck in Windows. The only thing holding me back right now is the programs compatibility and games, I would have changed to Linux ages ago already.
@@nxmx6ixin a world where everything apple is 3x the price and everything Linux has a sub 30% chance if actually just working out the box, a lot of people do just have to use windows and it sucks.
I hate it that as a computer user today, you have to be aware of all these things going in the background. And I equally hate the argument: "Well, if you haven't got a anything to hide, you won't have a problem." Like, what?? Why can't we just have a simple OS that we can use without fear that someone is basically seeing all one does and is rubbing their hands together, wondering to whom they can sell that info? Hate it!
If you ever hear "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear," that person either has malicious intent or is very history illiterate. That argument is never valid under any circumstances.
@@rawman44 It's interesting to come back to this because just today I was reading a news article (and some of its comments). It was about a different thing but basically the same issue. Anywho, there were these comments about hiding stuff and being innocent etc. I'm just here shaking my head and being like, "come on, guys!" Luckily, there were other comments too that were calling this new proposed law into quesiton. We'll have to wait and see what shall happen with this matter.. I'm 100% with you on this though, mate. The tricky thing is that these new laws and all that are being proposed under the most well-intended ideas..So naturally people want to rally behind them. The tricky thing part 2 is that usually these laws spiral out of control at some point and they are used, well, for other purposes.
Also, that’s a stupid argument to start with, because we DO have things to hide. Literally everyone does. Speaking as someone who works in cybersecurity, I get to hear all about every data breach that happens. You DO NOT want Microsoft to have access to these screenshots - it’s a goldmine for criminals and it is a matter of time before they’re attacked.
110% - this. Microsoft has NO right to force this junk onto its users. This is why I finally switched to Linux. It comes with its own challenges here and there, but at least no corporation is pushing straight-up spyware and AI tools to my OS, that randomly get enabled after I turn them off. I'm surprised it took me as long as it did to switch.
The fact Microsoft actually advertised this and thought it would go down without everyone on earth giving them hell for it shows how detatched they are from reality at this point.
Yep, even inside Microsoft we were having a serious "WTF" moment as the rest of the company announced this. No one I know in the field who actually spends lots of time with customers thought this was a good idea.
How hard are people fighting biometrics? Apparently everyone other than me voluntarily goes up their fingerprints and face prints. If people are that dumb, why wouldn't they just accept anything? People have no critical thinking ability whatsoever.
@@snarkyboojumit almost feels like they haven't consulted with their legal department. There's already enough anti trust and privacy related action going on in Europe I would have thought. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
They know those things are very controversial and horrible. The problem is that they don't care, all that can be done is force them to back off or force governments to do stuff about it.
I realize we're all preaching to the choir in these comments, but here's a quick reminder that "this will allow us to improve your ad experience" is the same kind of statement as "this will allow us to hit you less forcefully with a stick". Ads are inherently negative. The only way to "improve my ad experience" would be to eliminate it.
I disagree with 'less forcefully', especially if you consider people who have a gambling\drinking\drug problem and they get 'targeted' ads as they are trying to quit.
@@Xenozillexthat's not companies helping people though, if someone is actively trying to quit those things then ads likely won't be effective. instead, you can replace those cigarette ads for ads about a calculator shaped like an amongus character. both things you really don't need.
I miss when windows was JUST an operating system. Nothing more, nothing less, it just stayed out of the way and let you set up and use your PC however you liked.
it's more proof that free and open source is the way to go with most applications. a company is always going to go morally bankrupt; it's a matter of *when*, not *if*. but it's a lot harder for companies to be shady if their product is free, open-source and run by the community. part of why i love godot and blender. ill switch to linux one day but the compatibility with a lot of apps that dont support linux is the main thing holding me back
@@123payattention Oh definitely. But at least it didn't have quite so much bloat and unnecessary stuff that I would never use. That and it didn't used to be required to have a Microsoft account.
The fact that they've said it will record every embarrassing thing you do and every bit of personal info you enter in, but will not store any "copyrighted" material you view is the absolute biggest tell of what they really care about.
Since recall was announced my business has announced the ditching of Microsoft. Our email has been moved internally and over $100k already cut from Microsoft.
Yeah surely Microsoft is losing 100k on DKILabs which doesn't even have a website or any record of existing and is probably just the company you run your freelance work in, i can't find any "announcement" either lol
Its also like... You're using my extra electricity to record my data every 5 seconds just so a hacker had a nicely packaged pile of data to exfiltrate? And yes, the costs do add up
But having seconds display in the watch as text is bad for the environment and you get less green good citizen points. Windows 11 as a whole is a joke.
Do Microsoft even remember that "PC" stands for "Personal Computer"? That SHOULD mean that the stuff that's on MY computer should STAY on MY computer. Instead, they seem to be reinterpreting the term as a way to identify, "This computer is where data on you is stored." On principle, giving a faceless corporation information about me that they will use specifically for marketing is something I don't agree with, but when it's THIS insecure, it makes me worry for my less computer-literate family members.
@@allenearl1514 "We value your privacy and your personal data, so we're going to keep it safely stored on our servers to ensure it's security😀" - Microsoft, probably
Forget the security issue, the memory and cpu it uses.... all that shit. WHO ASKED FOR THIS??? Nobody EVER wanted some big brother watching them at all times. And of ALL big brothers... the LAST one you want looking over your shoulder at all times is God damn Microsoft. I don't care what they say about who's able to decrypt it, don't care... This feature guarantees that I will NEVER buy a Windows machine again. My company will never buy one also. This "feature" is a Microsoft killer. Go ahead Microsoft... we all want you to do this so that you finally get replaced by a better OS.
Big Brother asked for it. Microsoft Amazon Apple Google Facebook and more and more every corporation in America believes itself to be entitled to invade your privacy and monitor your every move so that they can sell that information to each other at your expense. Any Libertarians reading this? This is what happens when you cut away the power of the central government. You return us to Feudalism. Only instead of Dukes and Counts and Barons, we have Majority Shareholders, CEOs, and Venture Capital Investors. Every slice of power taken from the Federal government is delivered directly into the hands of Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Satya Nadella, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, and a thousand other petty tyrants looking to carve a piece out of your hide for their profit.
we're inching closer to Linux's time to shine. my only problem with linux is the huge amount of programs and games that don't support linux, but once a majority of games and programs work fine on linux, i'm definitely making the switch. a future where a majority of computers run linux, its easy to use and is widely supported... sounds like heaven for the PC landscape :,)
It’s either a multi-billion dollar company suing the shit out of them, or a class action that’ll go nowhere til a decade later. They’ll have made far more than the fine by then.
So... class action suit for theft of copyrighted materials... that might be easier to prove than privacy concerns. Anything you create is copyrighted to you, the computer itself has the paper trail.
And soon the settings will reset every update, that occurs every week and thus will need to be opted out every time. Then soon after the spying features will be mandatory!
And soon the settings will reset every update, that occurs every week and thus will need to be opted out every time. Then soon after the spying features will be mandatory!
This morning I booted up my computer only to discover that Copilot mysteriously appeared on my task bar... Not only that but it was in the first slot. I didn't put it there. I don't appreciate Microsoft being able to change any of your personal settings without your consent.
Same! F'n thing suddenly just sitting there, without me asking for it to be there... I didn't download it. I didn't choose to install it in any way. Why do Microsoft think they can just do this to my computer??? 😡
Look up the debloat script from Chris Titus tech tips. You open the power shell as an administrator and run a command and you can remove copilot. What it does is make it a non system app and you right click and uninstall from the start menu. You can also disable all the other windows telemetry that tracks you.
Someone needs to make a "has this feature been sneakily enabled" checker program, that just sits there and checks for this sort of thing every few hours or whatever, and then warns if it is. I would definitely pay for that.
@@tuxedonoir7970 you shouldn't need it at all, much less have to pay for it. like those subscription services that go to all the data collectors and opt you out
Yes indeed. Linux USED to be very hard to use if you were migrating from Windoze, but Linux Mint is probably the easiest Linux to migrate to. I have already put a few people on Mint, rather then W11 or even W10. I don't mind W10 without all the guff, but there are lots of things about W11 I really hate and so far, don't have any machines running it - except for a test machine, where all the crap was removed by way of an auto-install script, and in that test machine, W11 was not bad, but as for the default MS install of W11 - no thank you.
@@VauxhallViva1975 For me Linux has not been hard. Even Xubuntu is fine for me.But for me the fact that Wine doesn't support like half of the games or programs I want to run and other half runs buggy is much bigger problem.
I feel like they must have a plan to en****ify Linux somehow. Perhaps somehow via SystemD, since that's one of (if not THE) biggest single point(s) of failure / vulnerable point(s) (outside of the kernel itself, which I feel is probably less likely to get trashed for a variety of reasons) for corporate hijacking, backdooring, and sabotage? Or IDK, maybe they'll figure out some kind of horrible legal loophole exploiting software patents, copyright, etc to get desktop Linux distros other than "approved variants" declared illegal and convince the authorities to start hunting down anyone mirroring / distributing "unauthorized" or "unlicensed" "infringing" copies. Or... worse still, perhaps they could be planning to target the hardware level itself, and have non-removable spying firmware (complete with fully functional shadow network stack, implemented at the hardware or firmware level) embedded in every single processor manufactured - so any time it's connected to the Internet it silently phones home in the background, sending back as much user data as possible. Then they bribe legislators to make the spying / data collection hardware and firmware a legal mandate for all consumer computing hardware produced by companies that want to do business with the US, and ensure they at Microsoft (as the US Government's most trusted IT vendor) get a perpetual contract to handle the data collection and to provide it on request to government agencies (while making entirely sure there's no stipulation that MS can't also use that data for whatever purposes they see fit). But perhaps that's just my red-team brain going a little [OK maybe a lot] too hard; that'd be some seriously evil stuff, although I certainly wouldn't put it past ANY of the megacorps these days... and with how corrupt the Gov is, I have no doubt that corporate dollars greasing a few hands could make it happen. I'd probably give up on technology entirely, unless I could build it myself from sufficiently simple components to evade the whole shebang (so... if I even could I'd probably be stuck with the equivalent of 1980s-era hardware AT BEST), and encourage others to do the same.
You realize Windows 10 has had a built in keylogger since release. When you install it (which I hope you did, and you didn't use the OEM install), it literally asks you up front if you want the keylogger turned on (improving keyboard recognition or whatever).
The peak of keylogger evolution.. so far. It can always get worse, probably in ways we can't imagine right now, just because we don't know how technology will grow in the future.
And since when is it legal to record the keystrokes of someone's computer? If I was to keystroke record my co-workers computer, I would arrested. Apparently it's legal for all major companies out there, just not the individual person.
You know, there's something else wrong with this that we aren't discussing. How long is it going to take my hard drive to fill up if a screenshot is being taken and stored every *_5 seconds?!_* I can't even imagine a way for this to work without cloud storage being involved.
@@1234567qwerification And keeping track of what app is active should result in much smaller files. That's a very simple database, unlike constant screenshots.
given the not recording copyrighted data bit, it sounds like the information would be leaving the machine and someone doesn't want a lawsuit from someone with money
As soon as this feature starts to collect data, it is becoming a target for hackers. It doesn't matter that in theory it is secure, security will always have flaws or ways to get around it. The most secure way to collect such data is to not collect it at all.
Literally the first thing that came to my mind. This is a huge liability for any company deals with secure data, and I get the feeling this is not GDPR compliant. I can't really see how someone at microsoft greenlit this, even if some companies asked MS for this feature for worker monitoring, the amount of shit you can get into sounds insane to me.
they also said ti was secure the 1st time around, till people found ways to easily get around said security without needing to know the actual decryption key. this will be more of the same, they think it's "safe" and then some hackers will just bypass the requirement and release the method, shitting on MS once again. the day I need to upgrade to the dreaded win11 (because i'm not paying close to 100 euro a year for extended service) i'll instantly install 3rd party tools to block 99% of the bullshit and revert it to win10 UI layout, i've gotten used to that over the past 10 orso years now if not more, why change.
@@DarkDyllon most everything you can do on windows you can do on linux and its free. I think there is a website that even tells you which program is the windows equivalent on linux.
@@DarkDyllonDebian 12 is ready. Instead of breaking down windows to fit your needs, try building up linux in your image. just 800mb ram idle with offical gpu drivers is pretty sweet. update happens when you say it should happen. all the basic software is free and open source. support for most windows applications is there. 0 build in ads, telemetry is 100%opt in (even if you spam click through the install process, the default is no). yes, easy anti cheat is a problem. not a linux problem imo, more an implementation issue. but i see that as a positive, fk kernel level anti cheat. build better cheat detection server sided or less privileged. why tf should valorant have more access to my computer than me? cracked versions work fine.
Important to make noise about this sort of thing! HATE how comfortable corpos have gotten with slurping up as much data as possible from as many people as possible.
security loopholes aside, imagine the amount of resources recall would take. considering how terrible windows manages memory, that would be a nightmare to low-end systems.
I feel like this is a great way to incriminate someone accidentally. Some scammer sends you an image and you look at it and suddenly the FBI is at your door.
Never thought about it that way but that’s genuinely the scariest thing about recall. Yeah getting your data used against you by hackers is scary but being set up for federal charges is wayyy worse
The fact that Microsoft even came up with this has made me decide never to buy another Microsoft O/S again in my life. This is just beyond the pale. There is zero trust left in me.
@@CnCDune The latter will likely not work. I am sure it will be required to log in to your Microsoft account, or for it to call home on startup, or something else.
I am getting more and more fed up with Microsoft (including other Big IT) with the way they are behaving and it is slowly turning into an authoritarian software. I value my freedom in every sense possible and Microsoft is stepping on it. I am starting to regret buying Windows 11 Pro for my main computer.
Remember the abomination that was Windows 8? Remember the little pop-up window Microsoft used to try to get people to "upgrade" to it? With the little "x" in the top right corner that you'd click on to dismiss it? Remember Microsoft getting sued for disabling people's computers by installing Windows 8 *without* consent after Microsoft disabled the "x" so it no longer closed the pop-up but instead triggered an upgrade? Remember Microsoft admitting that they'd done exactly that? I do. Microsoft has a history of deciding they know best and imposing their preferences on users who have knowingly and deliberately opted out. They've forfeited the right to any benefit of the doubt. IMO, this tendency of user settings to reset to Microsoft's preferences is deliberate. It happens too frequently and in too many programs for it to be accidental. Yes, opt-in is better than opt-out, but Windows 8 was supposed to be opt-in and Microsoft deliberately imposed it on people who were actively trying to opt out. I want Recall removed entirely from my computer, exactly as I'd do with any other spyware.
@MrRufus302 "It will be uncomfortable for a while" translates to "It will cost money that I don't have." Much of my software is composed of free programs, like Apache OpenOffice, GIMP, Calibre, MuseScore. But I do have a *few* programs that I've paid for. I don't pay for programs unless they're important to me and provide good value for the money; I *never* pay for rentware. And I'm not certain that even the free programs have good equivalents in Linux.
I work in health care IT, and this feature is a nightmare. We have both PHI and Credit Card data in our environment, and either could easily get swept into that AI snap shot. With hundreds of thousands of Windows endpoints, there is no way we risk it. Honestly an Enterprise install of Windows should not include this feature at all. Cant have it come on by mistake like other features, just never there.
Well hopefully your medical software partners understand your dilemma. I don't foresee that being an issue for them, since they'll leak data like every other 3rd party contractor does these days, so even if you do everything right the people you do business with will be your weak point. Glad we as a society determined in house software development as too cumbersome.
Honestly, having it disabled by policy feels like too much of a risk; this should, at best, be a package that can be optionally, voluntarily, installed.
@@simplehealthyliving4681 Because when something fucks up catastrophically as a result of the OS we can sue microsoft instead of having to run git blame to try and figure out who introduced the bug in the linux kernel that cost our company millions of dollars. etc etc etc.
It's a risk for everybody, since the standard password input widget has the little button you can click on to view what you typed, to make sure you input it correctly. This is good because you can check to see if anyone's behind you before exposing a password, but not if you now have a system process taking stealth screenshots at unknown times.
The security flaw is the word "Microsoft:" "Microsoft things" have an established track record of "accidentally" turning back on, perhaps with the next non-consensual update, even though the user has turned it off.
Microsoft: Do not worry that all your sensitive data is collected against your will and stored one place, we are experts at security Also Microsoft: IP V6
There is no sane world in which this is legal. Unfortunately we don't live in a sane world. If anyone in government had HALF a braincell, the shit Microsoft has been doing for years would have them bankrupt from fines. But alas, that's expecting politicians to have brains...
@@azazellonyou can definitely prevent your windows machine from updating with the registry. my shutdown button has said "update and shutdown?" for about 5 years now lol.
It isn't "On by default", it is "On whenever we decide to turn it on and we don't think you are looking" whenever a feature isn't optional to have on your system. I think that either Microsoft or other companies have pulled this before.
The fact that I have never had windows silently disable a feature but have many incidences of it silently re-enabling various Microsoft telemetry and other apps. Same way a recent Android update has a whole raft of apps I had disabled notifications for suddenly notifying me again. The simple fact that these "accidents" always favor the company causing the accident is enough to tell me they're not accidents.
2:00 Having personally ripped One Drive and it's registry keys out of my computer several times just to have it show back up, I can assure you it's not just "a happy little accident" these things just show back up every now and again.
@@tormaid42 They don't include gpedit.msc in windows 10/11 home. edit: technically there are other tools to modify group policy, they are simply harder to use
honestly, would love it to happen to some company, that is as big as Microsoft, so they would put this feature down with couples of tens of thousands lawsuits
MS in 2 years: "Recall is using significant memory and disk space so we will now require that processing is done and stored in the cloud for your convenience"
Nah, is cheaper to use the processing on the consumers PC. They'll just add a bunch of "anonymous telemetry for your convenience" and yoink the preprocessed data
How is the general public ok with this? I know that there arent any convenient options other than windows, but, like, at some point you have to ask yourself whether convenience is more important to you than your rights to privacy.
Another big one is they state that in-private browsing or DRM content wont be recorded, every banking website does not fit into this category. Now every place you are told is "secure" online is no longer thanks to microsoft
I wonder if what they mean by "in-private browsing" actually even extends to browsers other than Edge in the first place. I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't.
Huh, does sound like a nice loophole for banks though, turns out you had a malware recording your screen while doing banking, thus if your account gets hacked it’s not their fault. I mean they are not wrong, this software if installed by anyone else on a machine but the OS would clearly fit the criteria of malware.
Since the announcement of this feature, I switched to Linux because I believe it's a significant privacy breach that everyone should oppose, as it goes against the principles of humanity.
Just as I do not want a stranger going through my home, looking through all my cabinets, drawers, closets, looking at all my pictures -- cataloging everything then leaving without a trace. I do not want someone -- let alone AI -- going through my computer. Piss off.
@@kaanozk because companies can just pay fines and continue doing it anyways. And since the large majority of people are braindead and dont care about this so they ruin everything for everyone else everytime. The maximum fines per day are just not high enough. Im personally for increasing the fines. Idk, maybe ad 2 or 3 zeros behind the amount, lets see how they like that.
Yes, no other word than "SPYWARE". Should be illegal. If I was to install spyware on a person's computer, I would be arrested. Why is this ok for companies with $$$$?
Microsoft: - Charges you for a desktop OS (which, by itself, is just a commodity) - Data mines the user from top to bottom (many "telemetry" collections not even being opt-out) - Forces users to use online accounts - Still puts ads into the start menu - Wants to enable bitlocker encryption without user consent (going to be fun when they don't know their recovery pass phrase) - Introduces basically spyware with Recall I pity all the people who are stuck with Windows due to some applications they have to use. So glad I switched to Linux over a decade ago.
I ran into that Bitlocker thing after an update at 1am that was forced on me. I thought it was a BSOD, but it was so much worse. I never set up the encryption key. You can get it from your MS account. Just a few problems... -Plenty of people at least try to avoid setting up the MS account during installation. I did too. It didn't work, because they had already plugged all the common ways to do that. -To log into your MS account, you need... oh idk, A FUCKING WORKING PC? -You need your password too. You know your password, right? You use different passwords for every site but still somehow remember every single one out of the hundreds, right? You don't use a password manager to save, let alone randomly generate those for you, as security experts recommend, right? And surely, that password manager isn't just on your encrypted PC, right? You can reset the password. Assuming you can access your backup email account without the PC that MS encrypted... It was a very stressful and sleepless night. Thank God I do have backup plans for if I lose access to my PC, but not everybody does.
Can't swap cause of my core programs and some games..Tempted to ditch all that though tbh 😅 (Just gonna coast for now though and see how all the bs plays out)
yea sorry but the programs arent the main reason people dont switch to linux. people dont switch to linux because they just wanna use their computer, they don’t want to tinker with everything all the time and use a nerds OS. that’s why windows and mac will always be the better options
I have 2 PCs, one is still running Windows 7, apparently it’s not secure anymore, why do I feel like it’s more secure than what Microsoft are giving us now?
I don't know about "evil", but it certainly is bankrupt. It's evidence of people who are long out of ideas but are forced to come up with some big thing to make Number Go Up every quarter. And THAT is where the evil comes in.
No one truly wants this, do they? I can only think that MS are pushing it so hard, because it is good for _them_. They are heavily invested in AI. Current AI has a voracious data appetite. This will allow them to collect data where other companies can't. If Snapdragon CPUs are specifically needed for this, then I can even imagine the entire push towards that platform stems from MS' desire to dominate an AI-enabled future, whatever nebulous mirage that actually turns out to be.
My issue with "opt-in" things is that it only legalizes the collection of your data. If a company that controls the software wants your data, they're going to get your data and just not tell you.
Most of the time we don't have any other option. So we jusst agree things. Like using social media for business. Using corporate software. Even playing games requires that OS. It should be regulated like hell if it is a NATURAL MONOPOLY.
IMO the biggest advantage of this over something that is text based is finding stuff in videos. E.g. "What episode of did say ?" Excluding DRM content cripples this, while still recording banking details :D on what planet does this make sense.
6:03 Companies shouldn't be able to access the microphone in the background. When person A looks up topic X, and sends a message to person B in the middle of browsing topic X, then person B will also receive ads on topic B despite never relating to that topic before.
My boss in an un-named call Norwegian call centre: "Today we're calling the opt out list." "But... Didn't they opt out for a reason?" "Yeah, but most of them don't even remember opting out." "Ok, but... Isn't that illegal?" "Listen, kid. We've had our legal team already look at this, and it's legal." "Well, the wording is pretty straight forward, companies that call opt out lists can be fined." "Yes, and we're willing to take that chance. Now, do you want this job or not?"
Same mode of operation applies for Sillicon Valley companies. User privacy? Just let us focus on user base growth. When we are big enough, we can hire lawyers to sort it out, and if we go bankrupt before getting big enough, then who cares!
I did not want to upgrade to Win11, but it kept asking me to. There was no setting to turn off the reminders. The other day, I see the update icon on Start, thinking it's just the usual security update I installed. It was Win11. FFS, I keep saying no, but MS doesn't care. I had to revert back and edit the registry to stop the pc from updating to 11 again. This is annoying as all get out. It's invasive and predatory, and there needs to be a class action lawsuit.
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When I use windows, i feel like a boiling frog. Everything is opt-in until everyone is comfortable with it being on your PC and then they secretly change it to opt-out or they turn the feature on after you turn it off .... it is just sad that that people don't seem to get the trends and tactics and feel it is ok to add the feature as long as it is opt-in... they did the same with Telemetry, and they do the same with everything as long as they make you think it will always be opt-in
@ScottAshmead yup, typical bait and switch tactics. Car manufacturers are doing the same. But they install kill switches and GPS. They claim your car can't do x, y or z, but if you pay suddenly it becomes capable. Because they just add your vehicle ID to the list of paid IDs. They also, without your knowledge, or in extremely hard to read legalese fine print somewhere in the back 3/4 of your agreement with the dealership say you opt in to them being able to remotely disable your vehicle, track, share telemetry and GPS of everywhere you go, how fast, how hard you turn, break, accelerate, wear a seatbelt, have passengers, passenger count, travel habits and so so so much. In the name of 'Safety' lmfaoooo
@@norbert.kiszka Microsoft is, maybe you don't recall but there was a time that microsoft colluded with manufacturers to include windows by default as orm. so yeah, they did indeed force people to use windows.
@@norbert.kiszka Kind of. It is most well supported OS in the world. It is best for the average user, as it just works. What are alternatives? MacOS is expensive for the average user. And Linux is just a pain in the ass for an average user, unsupported programs, full of bugs, lacking quality control that a every day os needs.
Regardless of all arguments trying to sell "Recall", I still fail to see the real advantage of it. Recall is consuming CPU and storage space for what, exactly? Improve my searches that never worked well? To sell me advertisement through a product I have already legally paid? It is shady to say the least.
I still don't understand why users would even want this. Amazon has viewing history, browsers have history, word has recent docs. Literally this functionality already exists in a decentralized way. Software to centralize this functionality without AI would be much safer and trustworthy and likely better
Maybe it exists because Recent Items is limited, for reasons that I don't know, to 150 items? That only covers about two or three days' work which is not nearly enough. With unlimited storage, I could let Recall go back to whatever documents I was browsing a month or a year ago. It's very time-consuming to search everything. There are network shares, three local drives, SharePoint sites, Teams teams and chats. File Explorer's search often just doesn't work. It just says no results even though the file is there. It's also woefully slow for a full-text search.
The more of this stuff that gets out there, the less I want to be online. I already stopped using social media. As I get older, the more I seriously consider homesteading
What the heck? How is it not a step in the right direction? It’s grossly inadequate, but that’s not what’s in question here. So, please do explain how it is not a step in the right direction. p.s. If any of your upvoters can do so, please do!
@@JoeOvercoat Because they're still doing something wrong: recording you with your permission. Adding a notification of some kind indicating that they're recording, without going and asking for your consent to record, is not a step in the right direction. The step in the right direction would be to ask permission, and respect the answer given.
Unfiortuantely it is not as easy for me, since I also run a MS server. I will have to rewrite a _lot_ of code. And it's not that I haven't thought about it, but learning new languages takes time added to the time spent on rewriting.
I’d love to completely leave Windows at this point, but the engineering software I need is only on windows. The closest equivalents that could run on Linux either do not have the necessary features, is too clunky to use (what was two clicks on a taskbar is now ten to twenty clicks and three different menus), or isn’t “validated by the industry” and therefore anything I could do with it wouldn’t be accepted. And dual booting or using Wine aren’t great solutions because with one, I’m still using Windows, and the other doesn’t work with all softwares.
@@awkwardplatypus9083why isnt dual booting an option? You could have linux for personal use where all your private stuff is, and you could keep the windows purely for running the software you need?
It kind of reminds me of the Black Mirror episodes where every moment of someone's memory is recorded so they can scroll through it when they need to, but it also has people who steal other people's memory and sell it on the black market.
@@catcollision8371Did you read the article that came from? They tried to float the idea that by 2030 it will be considered normal for the people who own your house to identify when you go to work and schedule your living room to be rented out to strangers to do business meetings when you aren’t using it.
The more Microsoft is pushing this feature down my throat the more I question how private the content it records really is. You'd think that they'd take no for an answer if everything would stay on my computer forever, viewable just by me, and not analyzed by Microsoft at all.
It makes me insanely suspicious, because there has to be a reason why they're so deperately forcing it down our throats, as if they have some internal deadline. Yes, it looks like _desperation._ It's not a function I need, it's not a function I want. I will tear the OS apart to get fully rid of it.
Yeah, it's honestly a stupid feature, I don't even know why people would want it in the first place. It's not something people ask for. You just know it's nothing more than a scheme to generate a bunch of AI training data and personal info to target ads.
My computer on linux boots in like 10 seconds, on windows it is about 90 seconds before it finishes all of those junk processes that I can’t control on startup.
@@jayIG you can boot, type your password, login, and all of the startup processes finish in less than ten seconds? I guess if I am really trying to get my password out quickly on Linux it might be closer to five.
The fact that Microsoft is still pushing Recall after the overwhelmingly negative press it received makes it so obvious that it's not a product. It's MAKES a product that Microsoft can sell, and we are the resources.
I wonder if there’s a program you can get where you can put in your preferred settings and it periodically checks those preferred settings against your computer’s current settings, and if it finds anything different it informs you and asks if you would like it to change it back to your preferences? Similar to services that search the Internet for your information and submit takedown requests on your behalf, but for maintaining your settings, instead of stopping data brokers from selling your information
This should be illegal. You can't trust them to keep the feature disabled (it should also be illegal to secretly enable features advertised to be opt in). They should be liable for the resulting incidents that WILL happen b/c of this (but they probably will not, or will get a wrist slap).
@@MrMsedek "tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS" - Not everyone has a choice. A lot of software is available only for Windows. Try not to let your hate, contempt, and ignorance cloud your judgement in the future.
Just think how long it will take for police to use these records in their "investigations". Especially in countries that are not so friendly to their citizens. Microshit is literally endangering lives here, for the sake of profit.
@@MrMsedek I'd argue that people who actively decline to inform themselves before choosing an OS (or any product in general) are shirking their responsibility as a consumer, b/c dollars are meant to function like votes in capitalism (when it comes to who provides goods and services). Those uninformed consumers I think do deserve this, but as the other guy said many people are forced into using this OS for many reasons, and I'd argue you should push blame to the gov't for allowing this situation to develop into what it is today. Realistically though, the technology is so new and quick to change that these kinds of growing pains were almost inevitable even if our gov't was doing its job better.
@prw56 Not everyone is terminally online You want every 60 year old to do a pros and cons analysis on their OS when they just wanna use it for web browsing? Like come on
Everything about Windows 11 is so freaking shady. I'm glad my processor is too old for Windows to try and upgrade me to it. At the rate Microsoft is going, Windows 10 is the last Microsoft OS I'll ever use. Next computer I build, I'll probably just bite the bullet and switch over to something like Ubuntu or Mint.
I am running a multiple boot system and Linux usage has gone up by 5%. Where you can actually have a computer experience without spending most of the time trying to protect yourself.
Ten years since using at all, 13 since being part of the ms dev chain, 15 since relying on them in personal life. All I can say is tech life was just better from the moment I ditched them. I even use Apple stuff occasionally in preference.😂 Never looked back.
They might have said that these snapshots are stored locally, but that doesn't mean they said it WASN'T stored elsewhere, too. I believe "the images are stored locally" is misdirection.
I switched to Linux (Fedora). There have been some growing pains, but I cannot just ignore what Microsoft, Adobe and many other tech companies have been doing.
I switched to ubuntu 8 years ago. Its been good. Just toss windows in a VM if you need something. But then 2-3 years later I largely ran out of those use cases too.
2:13 Yes. Happens to us at work. I think its a Windows update doing it, it keeps resetting default apps back to Microosoft. If they continue down this path it will be another United States vs Microsoft again.
Microsoft re-enabling recall is literally the same thing as Windows resetting your default browser to edge every time there's a system update. This was a Windows 10 thing, no idea if it's on 11 but I'm not installing it to find out. Recall is a data privacy nightmare and i seriously dont know how microsoft are being allowed to get away with this
How are they getting away with it? Lack of competition in the OS Space. The programs I need for work only exist on Windows and there are no alternatives on Mac or Linux.
I know I’m taking this quote from a video game, but from the intro to WatchDogs 2, the narrator is quoted as saying, “You are now less valuable than the data you produce.” and the first time I heard this, it went over my head like leaves on a windy day. Now that we’ve reached this point, it’s not as easy to laugh this kind of stuff off like I used to.
LOLOL "Not shared" -- It's all there for anyone to pull everything about what you've used your computer for. I can't think of any time I've ever wished to go see "What did I do last Monday on may computer".. It's a forensics goldmine.
I agree with the mindset of thinking about if your grandmother were using the computer. However, the flaw here is that Grandma might actually enable it when she’s setting up her computer because she doesn’t understand what it is, but her computer is telling her it’s a good thing to have.
Honestly as European user,, I dont ask almost all of your questions. I just ask how to disable the crap. I know companies who test Linux Desktops now because of Windows recall. Even if disabled, they dont want that crap even on the machines.
Cool, just what i need, my computer storing massive amounts of very pointless, very redundant data, intertwined with all my most sensitive data and personal habits powered by very ineffecient high-energy mathematics, so that I can ask my computer riveting questions such as "when was i last looking at purses?" Genius.
The thing I don't understand is, why it's even a part of OS? Why not make it something you can install additionally, if you need it? Oh, yes, nobody would install it that way, that's why..
How does this affect two-party consent states? What if there’s a non-recorded business meeting or doctor appointment and your computer just continually takes screenshots throughout it? I feel like this breaks a million privacy laws.
@floobix1 He's right though. Of course MS would have the space if they need to, but they won't go through the trouble. It'd cost them money and it would be a PR nightmare if discovered. All they need is the ability to query whatever findings your local run AI makes. They get to spy on everything you do and they make you pay for the hardware and compute time to do so.
@floobix1 you need some buffer (in the order of days for 99.9999% reliability), do you think the machine would BSOD the moment it loses internet connection
I hate this dystopian shit. If you're just an average consumer, i.e. someone not very tech savvy, you are just constantly monitored, tracked, recorded and processed for whatever information can be gleamed, for whatever nefarious purpose the abuser desires. Government monitoring and control, theft of your identity or funds, to be sold a product, you name it.
I'm perplexed, Microsoft only listened to one small part av the criticism but ignore the part where the whole idea is just bad. I'm glad there are free alternatives to Windows.
I said it back then and I say it again: this is a nightmare. Even before all the IT security stuff: we work with customers’ data, it’s not ours and certainly not microsoft’s. An AI-powered keylogger that slurps them and _will without any shadow of a doubt_ send them over to the mothership violates more customer agreements than I can count. I think at microsoft they just rinsed their brains with bleach at this point. Secondly: no, I don’t need these data and having them is utterly dangerous. This program is evil and should not happen.
They can improve the "feature" however much they want. Our issue is not with HOW the feature works, but with WHAT is actually is. I don't care how well it does its job - I DON'T WANT IT, and I don't want to worry that it could get "auto-enabled for me" with an update. _I guess Linux will thank Microsoft for the influx of new users._
> I guess Linux will thank Microsoft for the influx of new users > almost all of them go back because linux is not alternative to windows that you can easily switch to :)
@@hardVatsuki Well, seems that with the 24H2 feature update, Windows 11 is getting Recall _regardless._ I feel there will be some that stay. But if you're living _inside a web browser_ - as many do nowadays? Your choice of operating system _doesn't really matter_ as long as it provides the browser of your choce.
I disabled Recall on my personal computer yesterday. At no stage did I approve it to be turned on, or enabled. It was on by default. Recall being opt-in is rubbish.
Questions for microsoft regarding every new feature they launch: 1. Is this a good feature, do people want it? 2. If yes, why don't you sell it? 3. If no, why are you forcing it on us?
I want it. But I expect this to be part of the operating system, not a product I should purchase, More and more phones are getting AI features, I expect the desktop OS to evolve as well.
Are electric cars a good feature? If yes, why are they so expensive? If not, why are we forced to used to buy electric cars? Send yor questions to MS and you will get no answer
Linux user here. 14 years now, 14 years of being happier and happier about my decision every year. I think the extra burden of maintenance and compatibility has been 1000% worth it.
I've been a linux user for over 20 years - I find the maintenance "burden" a lot LESS than dealing with windows. I left long before "windows updates", which if you ever install windows from scratch and have years of updates to catch up on is a complete nightmare. I never have that issue in linux
Copilot was annoying enough, but THIS? I cant imagine the meeting they must of had; "Hey everybody! I think we should forcefully install a program onto peoples PCs (PERSONAL computers) and have it take screenshots of everything they do, and make them have to jump hurdles just to uninstall it!" The manager claps his hands gives the guy a promotion and says "Great idea! Lets get started right away! Its not like people are going to hate this!"
I've been on Linux for over 15 years at this point, what concerns me is other users (such as my doctor) that may still be using windows and thus my data is compromised anyway
Thanks for breaking this down. It's pretty unsettling to think about a program that records your screen every 5 seconds, even if it’s opt-in now. The potential for misuse is huge, and I’m with you on being skeptical about these so-called ‘improvements.’ Microsoft really needs to rethink this approach.
learn to program at lowlevel.academy (20% off) or don't im not a cop
I have had my mouse moved without my consent and I also have no software unless my PC came with a RAT pre installed
We are talking I leave for more than 30 minutes my mouse will be ever so slightly moved. And then I find a windows feature turned on too
I'll be sure to recall that I've downloaded and am about to install Linux
You have a link to your store but it says it's closed. Is that correct?
Why don’t you use Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC?
Remember "personalized ads" is really just code for "exploit your vulnerabilities to convince you to give up your money." It's dirty and shady AF
Like Louis Rossman said a while ago, companies just see people as a roadblock between them and THEIR money, that happens to be in YOUR pocket at the moment
and people should patch their vulnerabilities, instead of blaming others for exploiting them
@@the_original_dudeWeird comment chief
@@the_original_dude yeah it's not like people have also other stuff to do, right?
win11 is the biggest creator of linux users... i like it
My problem with this is that it exists.
Right.
@@Iswimandrun couldn’t agree more!
Recalldumps incoming ...
Yeah, there is literally no reason for recall. It's not fixing any problem that exists.
I like how they prioritized this over, y'know, those kernel architectural issues that lead to crowdstrike...
I really, really DON'T need this. Microsoft needs this. That's the main problem with it.
I'd kinda wanna try this
Communist police/governments wants it so they have a backdoor and can see what you are doing on your computer.
Noone needs this
they are trying to brainwash masses.. like somehow you need it
That's Win11 in a nutshell. It doesn't provide anything that's better than Win10 and in many cases it's worse. Microsoft has decide to take the gloves off and tell people what they can do with their PC's whether they like it or not.
@@quademasters249😂 and they can go right ahead and smash (compress) their market share even harder. You'd think their Colossus belting from European governments might wake them up but.. nope 🤣
This makes me furious. I'm a psychologist. The idea of screenshots of clinical notes existing without my awareness or consent is completely unacceptable.
Fourth Amendment violations. Massive lawsuit needs to be filed.
They already can access and collect those data with other agreements. They are natural monopoly on software side so they should be regulated as hell.
Microsoft could get you hit with a HIPPA voilation for screenshoting patient info as the claim that it was done with the intent to distribute could be made, especially if the files location gets hacked and leaked
Just install Linux and you'll be fine.
@@thesun___ Some workplaces mandate certain programs for work use, and those aren't always available on Linux.
Microsoft's take on "opt-in" is, you'll have the ability to opt-in until the next update when they force these features on.
and the end user is informed of this through the small print on line 357 of an update manifest
You know how it goes...
Check the EULA you scrolled down fast
the orders came from on high - training data is everything "we promise" and let the lawyers handle it is the m.o. forever more
I'm still mad about the onedrive bs
I work in a hospital as a patient registar, and I just found copilot on our new computers last week. I look at patients' personally identifiable private health information all day -- full name and dob, mother's maiden name, ssn, insurance information, home and mailing address -- and when i called IT to ask wtf was going on, nobody had any answers or even any idea what this was or why it could be a problem. This has me really worried.
A month or two ago I discovered that Microsoft's AI installed itself onto my computer without my knowledge or consent.
An AI installing itself onto computers is the thing of sci-fi horror novels/movies, I'm surprised Microsoft didn't consider that, or maybe they just don't care.
Needless to say, I switched my computers over to Linux ASAP. I still have a very small windows partition for the few apps I have which don't work on Linux(yet) but now 98% of my home computer time is in Linux.
I know that's not a viable option for everyone, especially at work, but hopefully it will become one soon.
Ooof
When users are paying more attention than the IT department, that's when you know shit's fucked.
@@chimeforestNothing is installed by itself Chill
@@unskeptable Strictly speaking you are correct, but you miss the point.
Viruses and other malware don't technically install themselves either. But wether they do or not, I don't want them on my computer.
What a surprise guys, they "rolled it back" then doubled down 5 months later when everyone moved on. What a shocker!
Where have I seen this before...oh, that's right. Unity! And they basically killed their entire developer community over the shit they pulled
@@KeppyKangaroo Good thing there's always an alternative to game engines. As far as the OS goes most will be stuck in Windows. The only thing holding me back right now is the programs compatibility and games, I would have changed to Linux ages ago already.
@@nxmx6ix Yeah, same here. I'd be running Ubuntu or Kali if more games were properly supported
@@nxmx6ixsame. I can’t fully move on to Linux because of gaming and the software I need to gain a higher paying skill is all proprietary sim labs
@@nxmx6ixin a world where everything apple is 3x the price and everything Linux has a sub 30% chance if actually just working out the box, a lot of people do just have to use windows and it sucks.
I hate it that as a computer user today, you have to be aware of all these things going in the background. And I equally hate the argument: "Well, if you haven't got a
anything to hide, you won't have a problem." Like, what?? Why can't we just have a simple OS that we can use without fear that someone is basically seeing all one does and is rubbing their hands together, wondering to whom they can sell that info? Hate it!
To answer you, we do have things to hide, like ssid, phone number, name address, and banking info
If you ever hear "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear," that person either has malicious intent or is very history illiterate. That argument is never valid under any circumstances.
@@rawman44 It's interesting to come back to this because just today I was reading a news article (and some of its comments). It was about a different thing but basically the same issue. Anywho, there were these comments about hiding stuff and being innocent etc. I'm just here shaking my head and being like, "come on, guys!" Luckily, there were other comments too that were calling this new proposed law into quesiton. We'll have to wait and see what shall happen with this matter..
I'm 100% with you on this though, mate. The tricky thing is that these new laws and all that are being proposed under the most well-intended ideas..So naturally people want to rally behind them. The tricky thing part 2 is that usually these laws spiral out of control at some point and they are used, well, for other purposes.
Also, that’s a stupid argument to start with, because we DO have things to hide. Literally everyone does. Speaking as someone who works in cybersecurity, I get to hear all about every data breach that happens. You DO NOT want Microsoft to have access to these screenshots - it’s a goldmine for criminals and it is a matter of time before they’re attacked.
@@rawman44or they’re a cop, and you should immediately close your mouth unless you’re saying the word “lawyer”
Microsoft:
I don't want Cortana on Windows.
I don't want Copilot on Windows.
I don't want Recall on Windows.
Get it?
"that sign won't stop me because i can't read!" - Microsoft (probably)
@@parzival8108 😂😂😂😂😂
add edge there two
@@Rami-bi9xj yeah that too!
110% - this. Microsoft has NO right to force this junk onto its users. This is why I finally switched to Linux. It comes with its own challenges here and there, but at least no corporation is pushing straight-up spyware and AI tools to my OS, that randomly get enabled after I turn them off. I'm surprised it took me as long as it did to switch.
The fact Microsoft actually advertised this and thought it would go down without everyone on earth giving them hell for it shows how detatched they are from reality at this point.
Yep, even inside Microsoft we were having a serious "WTF" moment as the rest of the company announced this. No one I know in the field who actually spends lots of time with customers thought this was a good idea.
How hard are people fighting biometrics? Apparently everyone other than me voluntarily goes up their fingerprints and face prints. If people are that dumb, why wouldn't they just accept anything? People have no critical thinking ability whatsoever.
@@snarkyboojumit almost feels like they haven't consulted with their legal department. There's already enough anti trust and privacy related action going on in Europe I would have thought. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
remember, it's not Bill Gates's fault, it's his investors that force him to do this
They know those things are very controversial and horrible. The problem is that they don't care, all that can be done is force them to back off or force governments to do stuff about it.
I realize we're all preaching to the choir in these comments, but here's a quick reminder that "this will allow us to improve your ad experience" is the same kind of statement as "this will allow us to hit you less forcefully with a stick". Ads are inherently negative. The only way to "improve my ad experience" would be to eliminate it.
"This will allow us to improve your ad experience"
I don't want an ad experience
I disagree with 'less forcefully', especially if you consider people who have a gambling\drinking\drug problem and they get 'targeted' ads as they are trying to quit.
The only ads I ever want to see are puppy ads.
Slavery will be packaged as convenience in the last days
@@Xenozillexthat's not companies helping people though, if someone is actively trying to quit those things then ads likely won't be effective. instead, you can replace those cigarette ads for ads about a calculator shaped like an amongus character. both things you really don't need.
I miss when windows was JUST an operating system. Nothing more, nothing less, it just stayed out of the way and let you set up and use your PC however you liked.
it's more proof that free and open source is the way to go with most applications. a company is always going to go morally bankrupt; it's a matter of *when*, not *if*. but it's a lot harder for companies to be shady if their product is free, open-source and run by the community. part of why i love godot and blender. ill switch to linux one day but the compatibility with a lot of apps that dont support linux is the main thing holding me back
@@Great-GriffI mean, steamdeck shows how much already works on linux
I'm still living it-my 'daily drivers' are Win7 and Vista.
I'm sure they were spying on you back then as well. Obviously to a lesser degree but def still lurking in the background watching
@@123payattention Oh definitely. But at least it didn't have quite so much bloat and unnecessary stuff that I would never use. That and it didn't used to be required to have a Microsoft account.
The fact that they've said it will record every embarrassing thing you do and every bit of personal info you enter in, but will not store any "copyrighted" material you view is the absolute biggest tell of what they really care about.
To be fair, everything what you type is copyrighted material. But it's copyrighted by you, not by big corporations. So even that statement is false
Time to show copyright material 24/7 on windows 11 so I know that feature isn't on XD
@@YT-dr8qi One has to register the copyright.
plays Disney movie on repeat in miniplayer at corner of screen at all times
yeah, I agree with you, it's beyond pathetic.
Since recall was announced my business has announced the ditching of Microsoft. Our email has been moved internally and over $100k already cut from Microsoft.
Thank you. So, so much. Every company that ditches Microsoft and Adobe is another client I feel I can actually safely work with.
@@marenjones6665At least Apple theats their consumers better. Maybe even Google does it better than Microsoft.
This is the only correct approach, no matter how painful it is to pull off the bandaid.
Yeah surely Microsoft is losing 100k on DKILabs which doesn't even have a website or any record of existing and is probably just the company you run your freelance work in, i can't find any "announcement" either lol
@dahahaka yes, let's mock someone for doing something good, that will make you feel better.
Its also like... You're using my extra electricity to record my data every 5 seconds just so a hacker had a nicely packaged pile of data to exfiltrate? And yes, the costs do add up
Speeding up global warming just to spy on you.
Microsoft is the hacker!
@@oneconcept7032 Unequivocally.
My thoughts exactly!
But having seconds display in the watch as text is bad for the environment and you get less green good citizen points.
Windows 11 as a whole is a joke.
Do Microsoft even remember that "PC" stands for "Personal Computer"? That SHOULD mean that the stuff that's on MY computer should STAY on MY computer. Instead, they seem to be reinterpreting the term as a way to identify, "This computer is where data on you is stored." On principle, giving a faceless corporation information about me that they will use specifically for marketing is something I don't agree with, but when it's THIS insecure, it makes me worry for my less computer-literate family members.
@@allenearl1514 "We value your privacy and your personal data, so we're going to keep it safely stored on our servers to ensure it's security😀" - Microsoft, probably
Forget the security issue, the memory and cpu it uses.... all that shit. WHO ASKED FOR THIS??? Nobody EVER wanted some big brother watching them at all times. And of ALL big brothers... the LAST one you want looking over your shoulder at all times is God damn Microsoft. I don't care what they say about who's able to decrypt it, don't care... This feature guarantees that I will NEVER buy a Windows machine again. My company will never buy one also. This "feature" is a Microsoft killer. Go ahead Microsoft... we all want you to do this so that you finally get replaced by a better OS.
@@dj_koen1265guess we’re switching to mac
apple time
Microsoft Killer? I wish. Honestly, Microsoft is too big to fail. So they can make these kind of aggressively anti-consumer decisions without worry.
Big Brother asked for it.
Microsoft
Amazon
Apple
Google
Facebook
and more
and more
every corporation in America believes itself to be entitled to invade your privacy and monitor your every move so that they can sell that information to each other at your expense.
Any Libertarians reading this? This is what happens when you cut away the power of the central government. You return us to Feudalism. Only instead of Dukes and Counts and Barons, we have Majority Shareholders, CEOs, and Venture Capital Investors. Every slice of power taken from the Federal government is delivered directly into the hands of Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Satya Nadella, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, and a thousand other petty tyrants looking to carve a piece out of your hide for their profit.
we're inching closer to Linux's time to shine.
my only problem with linux is the huge amount of programs and games that don't support linux, but once a majority of games and programs work fine on linux, i'm definitely making the switch.
a future where a majority of computers run linux, its easy to use and is widely supported... sounds like heaven for the PC landscape :,)
I just love how Microsoft is considerate enough to not record DRM content, but has no problem to record your personal data.
It’s either a multi-billion dollar company suing the shit out of them, or a class action that’ll go nowhere til a decade later. They’ll have made far more than the fine by then.
Clearly the solution is to register all your personal data as DRM =/
This means that if you don’t want recall to take a screenshot every 5 seconds have a movie or a DRM e book on the top left of your screen 😂
So... class action suit for theft of copyrighted materials... that might be easier to prove than privacy concerns. Anything you create is copyrighted to you, the computer itself has the paper trail.
Just imagine car companies registering everything you do and say in your car...
Oh hey!
Microsoft lets you turn off the saving of the screenshots, but notice that they don't allow you to stop the taking of the screenshots!
@@Magas_sz why are you such a shill for Microsoft?
@@Magas_sz you are 12 stop talking
@@Magas_sz - Why so much yidttery with this comment?
And soon the settings will reset every update, that occurs every week and thus will need to be opted out every time. Then soon after the spying features will be mandatory!
And soon the settings will reset every update, that occurs every week and thus will need to be opted out every time. Then soon after the spying features will be mandatory!
This morning I booted up my computer only to discover that Copilot mysteriously appeared on my task bar... Not only that but it was in the first slot. I didn't put it there. I don't appreciate Microsoft being able to change any of your personal settings without your consent.
Same! F'n thing suddenly just sitting there, without me asking for it to be there...
I didn't download it. I didn't choose to install it in any way. Why do Microsoft think they can just do this to my computer??? 😡
I buy a personal computer.
I buy the software.
Somehow the PC and software is still theirs to configure.
Look up the debloat script from Chris Titus tech tips. You open the power shell as an administrator and run a command and you can remove copilot. What it does is make it a non system app and you right click and uninstall from the start menu. You can also disable all the other windows telemetry that tracks you.
Let it overtake your computer, shhhhhhhhh trust ussssssssss!
Someone needs to make a "has this feature been sneakily enabled" checker program, that just sits there and checks for this sort of thing every few hours or whatever, and then warns if it is. I would definitely pay for that.
The problem is someone will make a program that promises that but then you don't know if that's malware.
@@justachannel8600 the joys of open source software prevent this from happening
You shouldn't have to pay for that, that's the point.
What Microsoft is doing should just be illegal
@@tuxedonoir7970 you shouldn't need it at all, much less have to pay for it. like those subscription services that go to all the data collectors and opt you out
Alternative title: Microsoft doubles down our motivation to switch to linux.
Yes indeed. Linux USED to be very hard to use if you were migrating from Windoze, but Linux Mint is probably the easiest Linux to migrate to. I have already put a few people on Mint, rather then W11 or even W10. I don't mind W10 without all the guff, but there are lots of things about W11 I really hate and so far, don't have any machines running it - except for a test machine, where all the crap was removed by way of an auto-install script, and in that test machine, W11 was not bad, but as for the default MS install of W11 - no thank you.
@@VauxhallViva1975 For me Linux has not been hard. Even Xubuntu is fine for me.But for me the fact that Wine doesn't support like half of the games or programs I want to run and other half runs buggy is much bigger problem.
I can't, because I don't have a external drive to save my data before switching
I feel like they must have a plan to en****ify Linux somehow. Perhaps somehow via SystemD, since that's one of (if not THE) biggest single point(s) of failure / vulnerable point(s) (outside of the kernel itself, which I feel is probably less likely to get trashed for a variety of reasons) for corporate hijacking, backdooring, and sabotage?
Or IDK, maybe they'll figure out some kind of horrible legal loophole exploiting software patents, copyright, etc to get desktop Linux distros other than "approved variants" declared illegal and convince the authorities to start hunting down anyone mirroring / distributing "unauthorized" or "unlicensed" "infringing" copies.
Or... worse still, perhaps they could be planning to target the hardware level itself, and have non-removable spying firmware (complete with fully functional shadow network stack, implemented at the hardware or firmware level) embedded in every single processor manufactured - so any time it's connected to the Internet it silently phones home in the background, sending back as much user data as possible. Then they bribe legislators to make the spying / data collection hardware and firmware a legal mandate for all consumer computing hardware produced by companies that want to do business with the US, and ensure they at Microsoft (as the US Government's most trusted IT vendor) get a perpetual contract to handle the data collection and to provide it on request to government agencies (while making entirely sure there's no stipulation that MS can't also use that data for whatever purposes they see fit).
But perhaps that's just my red-team brain going a little [OK maybe a lot] too hard; that'd be some seriously evil stuff, although I certainly wouldn't put it past ANY of the megacorps these days... and with how corrupt the Gov is, I have no doubt that corporate dollars greasing a few hands could make it happen.
I'd probably give up on technology entirely, unless I could build it myself from sufficiently simple components to evade the whole shebang (so... if I even could I'd probably be stuck with the equivalent of 1980s-era hardware AT BEST), and encourage others to do the same.
@@VauxhallViva1975get arch, do archinstall at least
This is a peak of keylogger evolution.
Exactly. They're not telling the truth. And I do not like when people are not telling the truth.
You realize Windows 10 has had a built in keylogger since release.
When you install it (which I hope you did, and you didn't use the OEM install), it literally asks you up front if you want the keylogger turned on (improving keyboard recognition or whatever).
The peak of keylogger evolution.. so far.
It can always get worse, probably in ways we can't imagine right now, just because we don't know how technology will grow in the future.
@@MilitantAntiAtheismwait what? You’re here too?
And since when is it legal to record the keystrokes of someone's computer?
If I was to keystroke record my co-workers computer, I would arrested.
Apparently it's legal for all major companies out there, just not the individual person.
You know, there's something else wrong with this that we aren't discussing. How long is it going to take my hard drive to fill up if a screenshot is being taken and stored every *_5 seconds?!_* I can't even imagine a way for this to work without cloud storage being involved.
Also, with how much faster the hard drive will degrade reducing it's life!
And M$ always declares itself to protect the ecology, right?
Some time ago, I made a program for myself that did a logging what app was active, but it was 15-20 seconds between the records. 🤪
@@1234567qwerification And keeping track of what app is active should result in much smaller files. That's a very simple database, unlike constant screenshots.
given the not recording copyrighted data bit, it sounds like the information would be leaving the machine and someone doesn't want a lawsuit from someone with money
As soon as this feature starts to collect data, it is becoming a target for hackers. It doesn't matter that in theory it is secure, security will always have flaws or ways to get around it. The most secure way to collect such data is to not collect it at all.
hit the nail on its head 👍
Literally the first thing that came to my mind. This is a huge liability for any company deals with secure data, and I get the feeling this is not GDPR compliant.
I can't really see how someone at microsoft greenlit this, even if some companies asked MS for this feature for worker monitoring, the amount of shit you can get into sounds insane to me.
they also said ti was secure the 1st time around, till people found ways to easily get around said security without needing to know the actual decryption key.
this will be more of the same, they think it's "safe" and then some hackers will just bypass the requirement and release the method, shitting on MS once again.
the day I need to upgrade to the dreaded win11 (because i'm not paying close to 100 euro a year for extended service) i'll instantly install 3rd party tools to block 99% of the bullshit and revert it to win10 UI layout, i've gotten used to that over the past 10 orso years now if not more, why change.
@@DarkDyllon most everything you can do on windows you can do on linux and its free. I think there is a website that even tells you which program is the windows equivalent on linux.
@@DarkDyllonDebian 12 is ready. Instead of breaking down windows to fit your needs, try building up linux in your image.
just 800mb ram idle with offical gpu drivers is pretty sweet. update happens when you say it should happen. all the basic software is free and open source. support for most windows applications is there.
0 build in ads, telemetry is 100%opt in (even if you spam click through the install process, the default is no).
yes, easy anti cheat is a problem. not a linux problem imo, more an implementation issue.
but i see that as a positive, fk kernel level anti cheat. build better cheat detection server sided or less privileged. why tf should valorant have more access to my computer than me?
cracked versions work fine.
Hi Edthisislowlevellearning, opt in 'features' turning themselves back on is certainly part of the enshitification
@@oriwittmer worst feature about the google pixel, certain features turn themselves back on
Such as? @@soko45
@@soko45 best feature of google pixel, unlocked bootloader for installing a custom ROM 👌
The 2023-deprecated Cortana turning itself back on, now that we are supposedly able to uninstall it, is really interesting.
No no no. You just don't understand how much you'll like the feature! It's for your own good.
The idea of someone/something taking screenshots of my desktop every 5 seconds against my will regardless of what’s on it just feels creepy.
It is creepy! The Governments must make this peeping tomery illegal.
@@matthewhalo1799 yeah, they're hoping to catch some nudees, for sho.
Important to make noise about this sort of thing! HATE how comfortable corpos have gotten with slurping up as much data as possible from as many people as possible.
security loopholes aside, imagine the amount of resources recall would take. considering how terrible windows manages memory, that would be a nightmare to low-end systems.
Ikr, its not even that usefull. Id have a feeling most users would turn it off, but i doubt windows would make that easy
Hence why their hardware requirements are through the roof :')
@@hughjanes4883 When you do turn it off, Microsoft will just turn it back on next update. Glad I used Linux Mint now.
@@nanattechi My thoughts exactly
Windows clock didn't have seconds to save system resources and now they are collecting screenshots every 5 seconds lol
I feel like this is a great way to incriminate someone accidentally. Some scammer sends you an image and you look at it and suddenly the FBI is at your door.
"PeOpLe WoUlDnT Do ThAt"
Stream Swatters:
@@SuperGameFan77 in fact, i think that's the actual reason this recall shit was created.
Never thought about it that way but that’s genuinely the scariest thing about recall. Yeah getting your data used against you by hackers is scary but being set up for federal charges is wayyy worse
accidentally or deliberately
The only reason why data leeks happen:
The fact that Microsoft even came up with this has made me decide never to buy another Microsoft O/S again in my life. This is just beyond the pale. There is zero trust left in me.
I think I'll stick to W10 or WinXP for my machines - or W11+ w/o internet, ever.
@@CnCDune The latter will likely not work. I am sure it will be required to log in to your Microsoft account, or for it to call home on startup, or something else.
agree 100%
every company around with any sensible data or science should stay far far away from MS Software products. This is DONE!
Linux is ready for prime time... Vast majority of the time, you dont need windows any more.
I am getting more and more fed up with Microsoft (including other Big IT) with the way they are behaving and it is slowly turning into an authoritarian software. I value my freedom in every sense possible and Microsoft is stepping on it. I am starting to regret buying Windows 11 Pro for my main computer.
Remember the abomination that was Windows 8? Remember the little pop-up window Microsoft used to try to get people to "upgrade" to it? With the little "x" in the top right corner that you'd click on to dismiss it? Remember Microsoft getting sued for disabling people's computers by installing Windows 8 *without* consent after Microsoft disabled the "x" so it no longer closed the pop-up but instead triggered an upgrade? Remember Microsoft admitting that they'd done exactly that? I do.
Microsoft has a history of deciding they know best and imposing their preferences on users who have knowingly and deliberately opted out. They've forfeited the right to any benefit of the doubt. IMO, this tendency of user settings to reset to Microsoft's preferences is deliberate. It happens too frequently and in too many programs for it to be accidental.
Yes, opt-in is better than opt-out, but Windows 8 was supposed to be opt-in and Microsoft deliberately imposed it on people who were actively trying to opt out. I want Recall removed entirely from my computer, exactly as I'd do with any other spyware.
@MrRufus302 "It will be uncomfortable for a while" translates to "It will cost money that I don't have."
Much of my software is composed of free programs, like Apache OpenOffice, GIMP, Calibre, MuseScore. But I do have a *few* programs that I've paid for. I don't pay for programs unless they're important to me and provide good value for the money; I *never* pay for rentware. And I'm not certain that even the free programs have good equivalents in Linux.
I work in health care IT, and this feature is a nightmare. We have both PHI and Credit Card data in our environment, and either could easily get swept into that AI snap shot.
With hundreds of thousands of Windows endpoints, there is no way we risk it. Honestly an Enterprise install of Windows should not include this feature at all. Cant have it come on by mistake like other features, just never there.
Well hopefully your medical software partners understand your dilemma. I don't foresee that being an issue for them, since they'll leak data like every other 3rd party contractor does these days, so even if you do everything right the people you do business with will be your weak point. Glad we as a society determined in house software development as too cumbersome.
Honestly, having it disabled by policy feels like too much of a risk; this should, at best, be a package that can be optionally, voluntarily, installed.
Sincere question - why does commercial IT use Windows and not Linux?
@@simplehealthyliving4681 Because when something fucks up catastrophically as a result of the OS we can sue microsoft instead of having to run git blame to try and figure out who introduced the bug in the linux kernel that cost our company millions of dollars. etc etc etc.
It's a risk for everybody, since the standard password input widget has the little button you can click on to view what you typed, to make sure you input it correctly. This is good because you can check to see if anyone's behind you before exposing a password, but not if you now have a system process taking stealth screenshots at unknown times.
Taking screenshots every 5 seconds for 16 hours a day which means Microsoft will collect more than 70K screenshots per year of me watching the hub.
They'll have the biggest poxrn collection ever.
MAn the shit on my screen would make a war bet cringe
Well, not pics of "you", but from your content, unless you're showing your camera into the pc 😅, ( are you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)? )
Google has a storage problem, Microsoft wants the same problem it seems
And if you look at some REALLY bad stuff will Microsoft store that on their servers?
The security flaw is the word "Microsoft:" "Microsoft things" have an established track record of "accidentally" turning back on, perhaps with the next non-consensual update, even though the user has turned it off.
Microsoft: Do not worry that all your sensitive data is collected against your will and stored one place, we are experts at security
Also Microsoft: IP V6
There is no sane world in which this is legal. Unfortunately we don't live in a sane world. If anyone in government had HALF a braincell, the shit Microsoft has been doing for years would have them bankrupt from fines. But alas, that's expecting politicians to have brains...
Even editing the registry does nothing. It just reinstalls and turns back on.
@@azazellonyou can definitely prevent your windows machine from updating with the registry. my shutdown button has said "update and shutdown?" for about 5 years now lol.
It isn't "On by default", it is "On whenever we decide to turn it on and we don't think you are looking" whenever a feature isn't optional to have on your system. I think that either Microsoft or other companies have pulled this before.
The fact that I have never had windows silently disable a feature but have many incidences of it silently re-enabling various Microsoft telemetry and other apps. Same way a recent Android update has a whole raft of apps I had disabled notifications for suddenly notifying me again. The simple fact that these "accidents" always favor the company causing the accident is enough to tell me they're not accidents.
2:00 Having personally ripped One Drive and it's registry keys out of my computer several times just to have it show back up, I can assure you it's not just "a happy little accident" these things just show back up every now and again.
Amen to that.
I still can't get over how microsoft made a browser so mid they had to SOLDIER IT INTO THEIR OS to try to get people to use it
Disabling things in the group policy editor is easier and won’t reset after updates.
@@tormaid42 They don't include gpedit.msc in windows 10/11 home.
edit: technically there are other tools to modify group policy, they are simply harder to use
@@shovel_salesman It reminds me of IE and how they had a nightmare of a time getting rid of it.
“It’s Opt-In and we will opt you in at some point regardless of your preferences at some point in the future.”
Imagine doing some online banking and they screenshot all that info. Then there was a breach and everyones info got leaked.
honestly, would love it to happen to some company, that is as big as Microsoft, so they would put this feature down with couples of tens of thousands lawsuits
MS in 2 years: "Recall is using significant memory and disk space so we will now require that processing is done and stored in the cloud for your convenience"
2 years is optimistic, imo.
Nah, is cheaper to use the processing on the consumers PC. They'll just add a bunch of "anonymous telemetry for your convenience" and yoink the preprocessed data
How is the general public ok with this? I know that there arent any convenient options other than windows, but, like, at some point you have to ask yourself whether convenience is more important to you than your rights to privacy.
@@maxave7448 @maxave7448 The general public doesn't know what an operating system is. How are they supposed to make informed choices?
@@maxave7448 Bold of you to assume that the everyday man even knows the problem untill they or a person close that gets affected
Another big one is they state that in-private browsing or DRM content wont be recorded, every banking website does not fit into this category. Now every place you are told is "secure" online is no longer thanks to microsoft
Opens up a market for a DRM-powered browser for those who are going to stick with it for whatever reason.
Well, we have to take their word for it, don't we? With tech companies, they always ask forgiveness, not permission.
I wonder if what they mean by "in-private browsing" actually even extends to browsers other than Edge in the first place. I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't.
@@timmo001 you remind me of HDCP and it sure is a plague.
Huh, does sound like a nice loophole for banks though, turns out you had a malware recording your screen while doing banking, thus if your account gets hacked it’s not their fault. I mean they are not wrong, this software if installed by anyone else on a machine but the OS would clearly fit the criteria of malware.
Since the announcement of this feature, I switched to Linux because I believe it's a significant privacy breach that everyone should oppose, as it goes against the principles of humanity.
Exactly. Not only is it creepy and disturbing, but this is a hackers wet dream. Forget keyloggers, this thing records literally everyhing you do!
Linux is run by even dumber Marxists than run Microshaft.
Valve is making the decision to switch completely to Linux increasingly plausible. And Microsoft is helping.
Just as I do not want a stranger going through my home, looking through all my cabinets, drawers, closets, looking at all my pictures -- cataloging everything then leaving without a trace. I do not want someone -- let alone AI -- going through my computer. Piss off.
@@drgroove101 Antivirus already inspects everything, and sends anything suspicious to the fbi, etc. to be analyzed.
So glad I switched to linux last year. You shouls give it a go if you havent yet
@@drgroove101 agreed 💯
Yup, so my is legal for Microsoft, or corporations to do this!?
0:12 oh, so... Spyware? XD
*don't uhhhrrm actually me, it's a joke
Wtf how is that not a absolute scandal
It's not a bug, it's a feature...
@@kaanozk because companies can just pay fines and continue doing it anyways. And since the large majority of people are braindead and dont care about this so they ruin everything for everyone else everytime. The maximum fines per day are just not high enough. Im personally for increasing the fines. Idk, maybe ad 2 or 3 zeros behind the amount, lets see how they like that.
Yes, no other word than "SPYWARE". Should be illegal. If I was to install spyware on a person's computer, I would be arrested. Why is this ok for companies with $$$$?
Microsoft:
- Charges you for a desktop OS (which, by itself, is just a commodity)
- Data mines the user from top to bottom (many "telemetry" collections not even being opt-out)
- Forces users to use online accounts
- Still puts ads into the start menu
- Wants to enable bitlocker encryption without user consent (going to be fun when they don't know their recovery pass phrase)
- Introduces basically spyware with Recall
I pity all the people who are stuck with Windows due to some applications they have to use. So glad I switched to Linux over a decade ago.
I ran into that Bitlocker thing after an update at 1am that was forced on me. I thought it was a BSOD, but it was so much worse. I never set up the encryption key. You can get it from your MS account. Just a few problems...
-Plenty of people at least try to avoid setting up the MS account during installation. I did too. It didn't work, because they had already plugged all the common ways to do that.
-To log into your MS account, you need... oh idk, A FUCKING WORKING PC?
-You need your password too. You know your password, right? You use different passwords for every site but still somehow remember every single one out of the hundreds, right? You don't use a password manager to save, let alone randomly generate those for you, as security experts recommend, right? And surely, that password manager isn't just on your encrypted PC, right? You can reset the password. Assuming you can access your backup email account without the PC that MS encrypted...
It was a very stressful and sleepless night. Thank God I do have backup plans for if I lose access to my PC, but not everybody does.
second 10 goes eol im going debian full time
Can't swap cause of my core programs and some games..Tempted to ditch all that though tbh 😅 (Just gonna coast for now though and see how all the bs plays out)
None of them are problems.
yea sorry but the programs arent the main reason people dont switch to linux. people dont switch to linux because they just wanna use their computer, they don’t want to tinker with everything all the time and use a nerds OS. that’s why windows and mac will always be the better options
I have 2 PCs, one is still running Windows 7, apparently it’s not secure anymore, why do I feel like it’s more secure than what Microsoft are giving us now?
same... 12 years old W7 rig, first installation (still!)... runs faster than this here W11 Ford Edsel... gosh, do I hate W11
Recall Recall
@@Loki- A blue sky on Mars?
@@michael-------7058 A .exe we never needed.
No, it's back again. It's now a Recall Recall Recall.
Microsoft: “Sweetheart, be reasonable. After all, we’re married!”
User: *Wipes hard drive, installs Linux.*
@@Encolas Consider that a divorce!
I don't know about "evil", but it certainly is bankrupt. It's evidence of people who are long out of ideas but are forced to come up with some big thing to make Number Go Up every quarter. And THAT is where the evil comes in.
No one truly wants this, do they? I can only think that MS are pushing it so hard, because it is good for _them_. They are heavily invested in AI. Current AI has a voracious data appetite. This will allow them to collect data where other companies can't. If Snapdragon CPUs are specifically needed for this, then I can even imagine the entire push towards that platform stems from MS' desire to dominate an AI-enabled future, whatever nebulous mirage that actually turns out to be.
What was windows? Oh that was the OS I dumped before using Linux....
They described it as "the Banality of Evil" during the Nuremberg Trials. It's not the sort of thing we should ignore.
@@Oznz-m5c no one asked. Linux users are like vegans.
number go up, money go up, ceos go happy, me go sad
My issue with "opt-in" things is that it only legalizes the collection of your data. If a company that controls the software wants your data, they're going to get your data and just not tell you.
They can just throw you a thousand page long term of conditions book and argue that you, “consented” to it.
Yeah and they can pull legalese by saying that by even using the OS you consent to whatever they want.
@@Xiiki Imagine if pdf's used this excuse.
Most of the time we don't have any other option. So we jusst agree things. Like using social media for business. Using corporate software. Even playing games requires that OS. It should be regulated like hell if it is a NATURAL MONOPOLY.
@@Xiiki"did you agree to the play store terms of service too?!?"
Wait I just realized this might mean I can't use windows for work because it now violates our data policy
Of course, all privacy be damned, but anything that could threaten corporate interests - like DRM-protected media - is obviously exempt.
this is Claude Sonnet when asked to talk about song lyrics
IMO the biggest advantage of this over something that is text based is finding stuff in videos. E.g. "What episode of did say ?" Excluding DRM content cripples this, while still recording banking details :D on what planet does this make sense.
@@unclebob418 I thought the same thing. This is a use case, where Recall could be actually useful.
6:03 Companies shouldn't be able to access the microphone in the background. When person A looks up topic X, and sends a message to person B in the middle of browsing topic X, then person B will also receive ads on topic B despite never relating to that topic before.
Well yeah, companies shouldn't be able to do any of this
My boss in an un-named call Norwegian call centre:
"Today we're calling the opt out list."
"But... Didn't they opt out for a reason?"
"Yeah, but most of them don't even remember opting out."
"Ok, but... Isn't that illegal?"
"Listen, kid. We've had our legal team already look at this, and it's legal."
"Well, the wording is pretty straight forward, companies that call opt out lists can be fined."
"Yes, and we're willing to take that chance. Now, do you want this job or not?"
Same mode of operation applies for Sillicon Valley companies. User privacy? Just let us focus on user base growth. When we are big enough, we can hire lawyers to sort it out, and if we go bankrupt before getting big enough, then who cares!
@@kebman...so you gonna do something about it? Or do you expect us all to clap?
@@ShadowOfThePit You should clap, bcos I gave my boss the middle finger and quit after that.
@@kebman based. I wouldve done the same
I did not want to upgrade to Win11, but it kept asking me to. There was no setting to turn off the reminders. The other day, I see the update icon on Start, thinking it's just the usual security update I installed. It was Win11. FFS, I keep saying no, but MS doesn't care. I had to revert back and edit the registry to stop the pc from updating to 11 again. This is annoying as all get out. It's invasive and predatory, and there needs to be a class action lawsuit.
i did same thing on my 4 year old acer desktop has windows 10 pro i edit the registry
my pc straight up doesn't support win11
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
When I use windows, i feel like a boiling frog. Everything is opt-in until everyone is comfortable with it being on your PC and then they secretly change it to opt-out or they turn the feature on after you turn it off .... it is just sad that that people don't seem to get the trends and tactics and feel it is ok to add the feature as long as it is opt-in... they did the same with Telemetry, and they do the same with everything as long as they make you think it will always be opt-in
@ScottAshmead yup, typical bait and switch tactics. Car manufacturers are doing the same. But they install kill switches and GPS. They claim your car can't do x, y or z, but if you pay suddenly it becomes capable. Because they just add your vehicle ID to the list of paid IDs. They also, without your knowledge, or in extremely hard to read legalese fine print somewhere in the back 3/4 of your agreement with the dealership say you opt in to them being able to remotely disable your vehicle, track, share telemetry and GPS of everywhere you go, how fast, how hard you turn, break, accelerate, wear a seatbelt, have passengers, passenger count, travel habits and so so so much. In the name of 'Safety' lmfaoooo
Anybody is forcing You to use Windows?
@@norbert.kiszka Microsoft is, maybe you don't recall but there was a time that microsoft colluded with manufacturers to include windows by default as orm. so yeah, they did indeed force people to use windows.
@@norbert.kiszka Kind of. It is most well supported OS in the world. It is best for the average user, as it just works. What are alternatives? MacOS is expensive for the average user. And Linux is just a pain in the ass for an average user, unsupported programs, full of bugs, lacking quality control that a every day os needs.
@@mortvald Im not using Windows and nobody is forcing me to do so.
Regardless of all arguments trying to sell "Recall", I still fail to see the real advantage of it. Recall is consuming CPU and storage space for what, exactly? Improve my searches that never worked well? To sell me advertisement through a product I have already legally paid? It is shady to say the least.
There is no advantage to the "end user". It's just Microsoft trying to mine more date to sell!
I still don't understand why users would even want this. Amazon has viewing history, browsers have history, word has recent docs. Literally this functionality already exists in a decentralized way. Software to centralize this functionality without AI would be much safer and trustworthy and likely better
No users do. Microshaft is DEMANDING it.
Users don't want this. This is Microsoft forcing it onto users and pretending it's for the users' benefit.
exactly.. I can't imagine needing this and I literally have a working memory issue in my brain. this is only for Microsoft to make money.
Maybe it exists because Recent Items is limited, for reasons that I don't know, to 150 items? That only covers about two or three days' work which is not nearly enough. With unlimited storage, I could let Recall go back to whatever documents I was browsing a month or a year ago. It's very time-consuming to search everything. There are network shares, three local drives, SharePoint sites, Teams teams and chats. File Explorer's search often just doesn't work. It just says no results even though the file is there. It's also woefully slow for a full-text search.
It doesn't matter what a person want's, it's what the corporation "Microsoft" wants!
The more of this stuff that gets out there, the less I want to be online. I already stopped using social media.
As I get older, the more I seriously consider homesteading
6:50 Dude, stop saying "step in the right direction" for things that most absolutely are not, in fact, a step in the right direction.
What the heck? How is it not a step in the right direction? It’s grossly inadequate, but that’s not what’s in question here. So, please do explain how it is not a step in the right direction.
p.s. If any of your upvoters can do so, please do!
@@JoeOvercoat Because they're still doing something wrong: recording you with your permission. Adding a notification of some kind indicating that they're recording, without going and asking for your consent to record, is not a step in the right direction. The step in the right direction would be to ask permission, and respect the answer given.
Yes, yes, yes I agree with you! I was thinking the exact same thing! Please stop, my ears are hurting, it's not a step in the right direction. lol
I converted all my PCs to Linux Mint with small inconveniences but I got over it. Just in time. It was really good and straightforward decision.
Unfiortuantely it is not as easy for me, since I also run a MS server. I will have to rewrite a _lot_ of code. And it's not that I haven't thought about it, but learning new languages takes time added to the time spent on rewriting.
I’d love to completely leave Windows at this point, but the engineering software I need is only on windows. The closest equivalents that could run on Linux either do not have the necessary features, is too clunky to use (what was two clicks on a taskbar is now ten to twenty clicks and three different menus), or isn’t “validated by the industry” and therefore anything I could do with it wouldn’t be accepted.
And dual booting or using Wine aren’t great solutions because with one, I’m still using Windows, and the other doesn’t work with all softwares.
@@awkwardplatypus9083why isnt dual booting an option? You could have linux for personal use where all your private stuff is, and you could keep the windows purely for running the software you need?
@@awkwardplatypus9083 that is just an excuse, you could still dual boot and only use the windows partition only where you must.
I think Linux sucks assholes TBH.
It kind of reminds me of the Black Mirror episodes where every moment of someone's memory is recorded so they can scroll through it when they need to, but it also has people who steal other people's memory and sell it on the black market.
iZombie where Zombies go to a bar where they pick specific brains of people they want to experience their memories of.
It reminds me of WEF: "Welcome to 2030, I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better."
There is a very cool movie about something like that, can't remember the name
On the deep web's black market, they already sell access to people's hacked devices and accounts.
@@catcollision8371Did you read the article that came from? They tried to float the idea that by 2030 it will be considered normal for the people who own your house to identify when you go to work and schedule your living room to be rented out to strangers to do business meetings when you aren’t using it.
Remember, with all of these companies, MS, Meta, Google, etc., you are not the customer you are the product.
The more Microsoft is pushing this feature down my throat the more I question how private the content it records really is. You'd think that they'd take no for an answer if everything would stay on my computer forever, viewable just by me, and not analyzed by Microsoft at all.
They are lying and there's no way to prove it in the closed source software.
It makes me insanely suspicious, because there has to be a reason why they're so deperately forcing it down our throats, as if they have some internal deadline. Yes, it looks like _desperation._ It's not a function I need, it's not a function I want. I will tear the OS apart to get fully rid of it.
Yeah, it's honestly a stupid feature, I don't even know why people would want it in the first place. It's not something people ask for. You just know it's nothing more than a scheme to generate a bunch of AI training data and personal info to target ads.
You would think that Microsoft would be the bulwark of network security.
Apparently this is not so. So I moved to Linux.
Switching to Linux is the decision that keeps getting better and better.
My computer on linux boots in like 10 seconds, on windows it is about 90 seconds before it finishes all of those junk processes that I can’t control on startup.
Until you use Linux. Then you realize its made by even dumber Marxists that run Microshaft.
@@yewknightdamn at that point your computer might just be trash
@@jayIG you can boot, type your password, login, and all of the startup processes finish in less than ten seconds? I guess if I am really trying to get my password out quickly on Linux it might be closer to five.
@@yewknight around ten seconds yeah. i dont think ive ever had it take NINETY
The fact that Microsoft is still pushing Recall after the overwhelmingly negative press it received makes it so obvious that it's not a product. It's MAKES a product that Microsoft can sell, and we are the resources.
It's also a possibility that they are being blackmailed into pushing this feature by our friendly, privacy-concerned governments.
@@clray123 lol no.
@@clray123 they already have a hardware backdoor to every computer that is mandated by law
I wonder if there’s a program you can get where you can put in your preferred settings and it periodically checks those preferred settings against your computer’s current settings, and if it finds anything different it informs you and asks if you would like it to change it back to your preferences?
Similar to services that search the Internet for your information and submit takedown requests on your behalf, but for maintaining your settings, instead of stopping data brokers from selling your information
This should be illegal. You can't trust them to keep the feature disabled (it should also be illegal to secretly enable features advertised to be opt in). They should be liable for the resulting incidents that WILL happen b/c of this (but they probably will not, or will get a wrist slap).
tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS
@@MrMsedek "tbh everyone affected by any of these, deserves it for keep using that garbage OS" - Not everyone has a choice. A lot of software is available only for Windows. Try not to let your hate, contempt, and ignorance cloud your judgement in the future.
Just think how long it will take for police to use these records in their "investigations". Especially in countries that are not so friendly to their citizens. Microshit is literally endangering lives here, for the sake of profit.
@@MrMsedek I'd argue that people who actively decline to inform themselves before choosing an OS (or any product in general) are shirking their responsibility as a consumer, b/c dollars are meant to function like votes in capitalism (when it comes to who provides goods and services).
Those uninformed consumers I think do deserve this, but as the other guy said many people are forced into using this OS for many reasons, and I'd argue you should push blame to the gov't for allowing this situation to develop into what it is today.
Realistically though, the technology is so new and quick to change that these kinds of growing pains were almost inevitable even if our gov't was doing its job better.
@prw56 Not everyone is terminally online
You want every 60 year old to do a pros and cons analysis on their OS when they just wanna use it for web browsing? Like come on
The recall feature and Microsoft embedding ADs into my OS is the reason that I migrated off of Windows all together.
Indeed, ads in a paid product is what got me to switch to Fedora
Everything about Windows 11 is so freaking shady. I'm glad my processor is too old for Windows to try and upgrade me to it. At the rate Microsoft is going, Windows 10 is the last Microsoft OS I'll ever use. Next computer I build, I'll probably just bite the bullet and switch over to something like Ubuntu or Mint.
I am running a multiple boot system and Linux usage has gone up by 5%. Where you can actually have a computer experience without spending most of the time trying to protect yourself.
Ten years since using at all, 13 since being part of the ms dev chain, 15 since relying on them in personal life. All I can say is tech life was just better from the moment I ditched them. I even use Apple stuff occasionally in preference.😂 Never looked back.
0:06 No, I don't recall
I don't windows haha
You don't recall™
😂
*slams fist on conveniently placed table and wheezes laughing*
Get out 😂
They might have said that these snapshots are stored locally, but that doesn't mean they said it WASN'T stored elsewhere, too.
I believe "the images are stored locally" is misdirection.
I switched to Linux (Fedora). There have been some growing pains, but I cannot just ignore what Microsoft, Adobe and many other tech companies have been doing.
@@Simmoriah switched to Linux Mint today.
I switched to ubuntu 8 years ago. Its been good. Just toss windows in a VM if you need something. But then 2-3 years later I largely ran out of those use cases too.
How is fedora? Does it have wayland ? Also how do games run on that?
@@EpicBunty If you want games, Pop! OS probably works best for them. It’s just unstable as hell.
I am switching to Kubuntu
Update: I switched to Kubuntu.
2:13 Yes. Happens to us at work. I think its a Windows update doing it, it keeps resetting default apps back to Microosoft. If they continue down this path it will be another United States vs Microsoft again.
Happens all the time it seems that windows update messes up settings
Honestly, genuenly looking forward towards "United States v. Microsoft"
Microsoft re-enabling recall is literally the same thing as Windows resetting your default browser to edge every time there's a system update. This was a Windows 10 thing, no idea if it's on 11 but I'm not installing it to find out.
Recall is a data privacy nightmare and i seriously dont know how microsoft are being allowed to get away with this
@@bend7726 hahaha this is so true
I get a "let's make sure your settings are correct and your default browser is set to Edge, ok?" after every update on Windows 11 Pro.
They do this with OneDrive now, re-installing the software and trying to track you into backing up your files to their servers about once a month.
How are they getting away with it? Lack of competition in the OS Space. The programs I need for work only exist on Windows and there are no alternatives on Mac or Linux.
@@dragonmaster1500 how many of them work with the latest version of wine?
I know I’m taking this quote from a video game, but from the intro to WatchDogs 2, the narrator is quoted as saying, “You are now less valuable than the data you produce.” and the first time I heard this, it went over my head like leaves on a windy day.
Now that we’ve reached this point, it’s not as easy to laugh this kind of stuff off like I used to.
What a cool, efficient way to wear out my SSD.
LOLOL "Not shared" -- It's all there for anyone to pull everything about what you've used your computer for. I can't think of any time I've ever wished to go see "What did I do last Monday on may computer".. It's a forensics goldmine.
"let's take pictures from your screen for absolutely no purpose" 😂
I agree with the mindset of thinking about if your grandmother were using the computer.
However, the flaw here is that Grandma might actually enable it when she’s setting up her computer because she doesn’t understand what it is, but her computer is telling her it’s a good thing to have.
Microsoft WANTS grandma to enable this feature.
@@mrdan2898 That’s the point that I’m making.
@@StolenJoker84 I know. Don't worry, I wasn't trying to take your comment, just agreeing with it.
Nice video. I appreciate the conversational tone and your efforts to make it easy to understand.
Honestly as European user,, I dont ask almost all of your questions. I just ask how to disable the crap. I know companies who test Linux Desktops now because of Windows recall. Even if disabled, they dont want that crap even on the machines.
Cool, just what i need, my computer storing massive amounts of very pointless, very redundant data, intertwined with all my most sensitive data and personal habits powered by very ineffecient high-energy mathematics, so that I can ask my computer riveting questions such as "when was i last looking at purses?" Genius.
The thing I don't understand is, why it's even a part of OS? Why not make it something you can install additionally, if you need it?
Oh, yes, nobody would install it that way, that's why..
How does this affect two-party consent states? What if there’s a non-recorded business meeting or doctor appointment and your computer just continually takes screenshots throughout it?
I feel like this breaks a million privacy laws.
"We stopped pretending we don't spy on you and decided to tell it straight to your face we spy on you"
Snapshots are not shared... until a couple of years later when the EULA roofie comes.
Not enough space to store that many snapshots 😊
Textual description of them could be stored though
@@erkinalp Do you know what website you typed this comment on? Think on that for a bit
@floobix1 He's right though. Of course MS would have the space if they need to, but they won't go through the trouble. It'd cost them money and it would be a PR nightmare if discovered. All they need is the ability to query whatever findings your local run AI makes. They get to spy on everything you do and they make you pay for the hardware and compute time to do so.
@floobix1 you need some buffer (in the order of days for 99.9999% reliability), do you think the machine would BSOD the moment it loses internet connection
@@gairisiuil do you expect microsoft would create a youtube clone on azure just to store raw low fps video&keylogging footage
I hate this dystopian shit. If you're just an average consumer, i.e. someone not very tech savvy, you are just constantly monitored, tracked, recorded and processed for whatever information can be gleamed, for whatever nefarious purpose the abuser desires. Government monitoring and control, theft of your identity or funds, to be sold a product, you name it.
"It could tell you when the last time you looked at p-"
👀
"purses"
Oh yeah, ofc. That's what I was worried about too.
I'm perplexed, Microsoft only listened to one small part av the criticism but ignore the part where the whole idea is just bad.
I'm glad there are free alternatives to Windows.
I said it back then and I say it again: this is a nightmare.
Even before all the IT security stuff: we work with customers’ data, it’s not ours and certainly not microsoft’s. An AI-powered keylogger that slurps them and _will without any shadow of a doubt_ send them over to the mothership violates more customer agreements than I can count. I think at microsoft they just rinsed their brains with bleach at this point.
Secondly: no, I don’t need these data and having them is utterly dangerous. This program is evil and should not happen.
Microsoft can get away with it because the CIA helped the company get started in the first place.
@@thecheshirecat5564 truly awful
They can improve the "feature" however much they want. Our issue is not with HOW the feature works, but with WHAT is actually is. I don't care how well it does its job - I DON'T WANT IT, and I don't want to worry that it could get "auto-enabled for me" with an update. _I guess Linux will thank Microsoft for the influx of new users._
> I guess Linux will thank Microsoft for the influx of new users
> almost all of them go back because linux is not alternative to windows that you can easily switch to
:)
@@hardVatsuki Well, seems that with the 24H2 feature update, Windows 11 is getting Recall _regardless._ I feel there will be some that stay. But if you're living _inside a web browser_ - as many do nowadays? Your choice of operating system _doesn't really matter_ as long as it provides the browser of your choce.
I disabled Recall on my personal computer yesterday. At no stage did I approve it to be turned on, or enabled. It was on by default. Recall being opt-in is rubbish.
Questions for microsoft regarding every new feature they launch:
1. Is this a good feature, do people want it?
2. If yes, why don't you sell it?
3. If no, why are you forcing it on us?
I want it. But I expect this to be part of the operating system, not a product I should purchase, More and more phones are getting AI features, I expect the desktop OS to evolve as well.
@@todortodorov6056 found the Microsoft bot
@@todortodorov6056 You go for it, agent Smith. Be happy within the matrix while the rest of us take the red.
Are electric cars a good feature? If yes, why are they so expensive? If not, why are we forced to used to buy electric cars? Send yor questions to MS and you will get no answer
@@todortodorov6056 why the hell do you want this as part of the OS?? are you insane?
Just install yourself if you want privacy nightmare computer lol
Linux user here. 14 years now, 14 years of being happier and happier about my decision every year. I think the extra burden of maintenance and compatibility has been 1000% worth it.
i have had linux on at least 1 computer since about a year ago. i couldn't agree more with this comment
No confirmation bias here 😅 but yeah...
@@RottenMuLoT no straw-man here 😅 but yeah ...
@@RottenMuLoT not everything that can be confirmed is necessarily "biased". weird comment
I've been a linux user for over 20 years - I find the maintenance "burden" a lot LESS than dealing with windows. I left long before "windows updates", which if you ever install windows from scratch and have years of updates to catch up on is a complete nightmare. I never have that issue in linux
opt-in according to microsoft just means "enabled by someone". and MS is "someone".
Copilot was annoying enough, but THIS? I cant imagine the meeting they must of had;
"Hey everybody! I think we should forcefully install a program onto peoples PCs (PERSONAL computers) and have it take screenshots of everything they do, and make them have to jump hurdles just to uninstall it!" The manager claps his hands gives the guy a promotion and says "Great idea! Lets get started right away! Its not like people are going to hate this!"
If I hadn't used linux for the last decade + I would switch. A private company that already spys on its users now taking even more info is a no go.
I've used Linux and turned off the windoze switch years ago....👍
@@hr6160linux mint, thats it
I've been on Linux for over 15 years at this point, what concerns me is other users (such as my doctor) that may still be using windows and thus my data is compromised anyway
@@Kanbei11 True
You know a new feature is great when users reject it so many times that you have to force it on them right, Microsoft?
Since when did Microsoft users have any say about "features"?
This is a feature for microsoft and the government, not for the user. To sell their data and to spy on them.
Thanks for breaking this down. It's pretty unsettling to think about a program that records your screen every 5 seconds, even if it’s opt-in now. The potential for misuse is huge, and I’m with you on being skeptical about these so-called ‘improvements.’ Microsoft really needs to rethink this approach.