Incredible work Spoony! Love your team tactics. In PES, the game just feels totally different and great when you actually play the teams like their real life counterparts.
Iv been playing with 3-4-3 for 8 years when play PES. Thats very fun, and i know every single one, how to attack and defend. And what kind of the player should we place in best position. And u have to use fluid formation for the best. In pep formation in real u have to use 3 formation, deep, middle and high, the key is cancelo, and de bruyne
@@SpoonyPizzas I hope all is well, I was really interested in this form until you said it's wouldn't really work online, can you do a review of the best online formations to use... Thanks Keep it real, upthepes
With Manchester City and Pep Guardiola, there aren't fixed tactics. They play differently like instead of rodri dropping deep, one of the fullback joins to make a back 3 and the other fullback like Cancelo joins the DMF to form a double pivot which helps with keeping possession and also sometimes using strikers like Aguero or Jesus. Spoony has done an incredible job with this lineup formation and I suggest playing around with it and rotating players on the bench to get the most out of Spoony's tactics.
Yes thats the proof guardiola is master of 4-3-3 formation because he have many setplay using that formation and i remember when city play against psg he even play counter attack with that formation
Of course a comment from me is demanded... Well, like you, this formation is more interesting, as Guardiola likes very much to play with low for tactics rather than high for tactics. That's why he keeps benched many times Gabriel Jesus and Aguero and plays often with a meso-attacker in the front- plus that all his choices of CFs are players able with the ball down rather that good at headers. Though, it seems to me like a 4-3-2-1 or rather a 4-1-4-1 than a 4-2-3-1. It reminds me of the 4-4-2 tactics of Jorge Jesus, copying his tactics of the very successful Benfica of 2011 to 2014, when the Eagles of Lisbon had won two consecutive doubles. I believe that- this year at least- he prefers Sterling over Bernardo Silva in the SS position, to exploit his speed, invasion and acceleration, while the Portuguese has better passes. One or two times, I've seen Mahrez as SS and Bernardo Silva as right winger. Another thing I've also seen, but not as often, is that when in the attack, he keeps Rodri (or Fernandinho, who has exactly the same gamestyle) as DMF and sometimes he gives him an Anchorman role, while I'm sure that Gundogan is the dedicated Orchestrator and Kevin de Bruyne is the Creative Playmaker either as AMF just behind the SS or even besides the SS, in something like a 4-4-2 formation with 2 SSs. At the same time, though, I think that he keeps his wing backs in their positions, but he plays them as False Wingbacks rather that pushing them in the CMF role, thus leaving the Hug the Touchline strategy aside, so as to have a more compact center. And I also have the impression that he pushes his wingers in the RWF/ LWF and in the same line as the SS, so as to play with reverse foot tactics, which are his favourite. I had seen that in Bayern in Bundesliga, when he didn't start Lewandowski but with Muller as the SS. But you are right when you say that his sides are vulnerable in counters, as he hasn't developped a adequate answer to these situations, because he likes to keep his defence rather high in the field. Have a nice time.
Hey,when you try to recreate real life tactics is really important to take a look to player style of play (Prolific Winger ecc.) because they determine the movement a specific player does on the pitch! I'd say styles of play value 80% of the result.
Yes, but it's not something you can change. I'm not going to change a players position to take advantage of their playstyle at running the risk of ruining the tactics that are used IRL
@@SpoonyPizzas It could really ruin your tactic tho,let's say you want your full backs to cut inside,even if you use inverted fullbacks tactic,if they have the "attacking fullback" play style,they will not move smoothly inside as well as they had the inverted fullback playstyle; Let's consider a more extreme example,if you want a specific midfielder to go inside the box you need the box to box playstyle,because if you use the specific tactic not just one center midfield goes inside the box but every other player,resulting in an unbalanced tactic. Furthermore you can just have 2 red arrows (attacking tactics)so you don't have enough to dictate every player movement.
Hey I tried this formation and one thing I noticed the CDM keeps playing everyone onside, Fernandinho seems to run back behind the 2 CB's playing the attackers onside, Spoony have you noticed this?
Spoony quick question as I know you play on PS5 too. In the replays, do you also get a curved line down towards the bottom right ? very faint, it's like a shadow caused by something. But happens at any ground for me. Only during the replay.
Hi spoony what is your online PS+ id? Id like to try to play with you, just want to see how far my pes skill is. I learn alot from your video. Thank you spoony! Love from Indonesia
Hey m8, d'you know anyway we can get players to block basic passing lanes? Most teams in real life seem to do it, but in this game, the players just scramble about and let the opponent pass to whoever unless you just control the players one by one which isn't feasible most of the time.
@@SpoonyPizzas lol fair enough. I was thinking of getting 21 (on sale for ten dollarydoos atm but I ain't getting it, may as well plough on with DP7 on PES 2020)
Unreal manager but like to see what he can without all that money. Thats why Fergison and Lippi two greatest managers for me. Even Jose with Porto and Inter they should never of won them Champions leagues.
Pes 21 been disappointing to me lately. I cant seem to find a tactic that works for me. I really like how klopp and guardiola play. Mostly guardiola. But nowadays, i can't seem to find the balance between attack and defense. I can't defend and can't create enough. Lately, i've resorted to 4-2-4(knight MD's lfc tactics) but despite creating am alwaya outnumbered. Already watched your tutorials for best tactics. Any tactical help you can suggest bro.
I have a question, why sometimes when I play online , it seems that the opponent team players are on drugs , they are running like crazy all the time and much faster than my player , even if my team is better team like PSG and the other team is like West Ham Utd , is there a secret, plz help
@@SpoonyPizzas I do not think it is about strategy, the players running so fast and never get tired even towards the end of the game , Im thinking there is something to press in addition to dash button to make them run like that
I wonder why you use a fluid formation to get the full backs to Go central and the dmf to become a cb. Is the result much different of you use „false full backs“ and „defensive“ on rodri?
Yeah Rodri wouldn't move into a deep defensive position, he just stays back during attacks (ahead of defence instead of 3 man D) then false fallbacks often sit as a ACM inside RMF/LFM and other CMs/ACMs.... And they move inwards at a later phase in attack/possession of the ball. Hope this helps mate
@@SpoonyPizzas the explanation about rodri is quite logical when in think about it and to know how exacltly false full backs work is quite helping actually. I Need to try it out now in game and obeserve them a bit 🙃👍
@@SpoonyPizzas Hey Spoony! One thing I noticed with changing player positional areas using fluid formation isn't very good in PES. The players don't straight away go to their positions but take their time to go from wings to centre or from centre to wings (sometimes even waiting till play is reset by ball out of bounds) maybe because how PES moves other players to replace players you move from their position and they don't go back automatically until their position is free. I hope they fix this AI in future.
There are fluid formations mate and 65% play Master League (offline) only 30% play MyClub. If there's enough interest, I'd cover off the MyClub formations. I'll be bringing out a counter formations video soon.
didn't think anyone played it offline any more didn't realise, It does my head in online so might go back to master league myself but playing the comp is just a bit dull buddy yaa know,🤷🏼♂️ but it needs to be better online for sure.👍🏻 Heading down for team mates is like giving the ball awayand every 4th or 5th pass it's like it can't compute it online,very frustrating. Hope the new one is better.👍🏻
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Incredible work Spoony! Love your team tactics. In PES, the game just feels totally different and great when you actually play the teams like their real life counterparts.
Thanks dude, yeah I agree definitely adds a degree of realism
A shame this master class didn't happen against tuchel 🤫😉... up the biggest team I'm London
@@thealgerian3285 😄👍
City played their second team twice agaisnt Tuchel
@@lazarmanasijevic9179 Zato je Tuchel, pokazao master class u finalu lige sampiona gde je Siti sutnuo 1 u okvir gola za 90 minuta
Iv been playing with 3-4-3 for 8 years when play PES. Thats very fun, and i know every single one, how to attack and defend. And what kind of the player should we place in best position. And u have to use fluid formation for the best. In pep formation in real u have to use 3 formation, deep, middle and high, the key is cancelo, and de bruyne
Man I don't know how but every new video of yours is what I was waiting for. I have a City master league so I'll love this. Thank you a lot.
Cheers mate
@@SpoonyPizzas I hope all is well, I was really interested in this form until you said it's wouldn't really work online, can you do a review of the best online formations to use...
Thanks
Keep it real, upthepes
With Manchester City and Pep Guardiola, there aren't fixed tactics. They play differently like instead of rodri dropping deep, one of the fullback joins to make a back 3 and the other fullback like Cancelo joins the DMF to form a double pivot which helps with keeping possession and also sometimes using strikers like Aguero or Jesus.
Spoony has done an incredible job with this lineup formation and I suggest playing around with it and rotating players on the bench to get the most out of Spoony's tactics.
Yes thats the proof guardiola is master of 4-3-3 formation because he have many setplay using that formation and i remember when city play against psg he even play counter attack with that formation
Of course a comment from me is demanded... Well, like you, this formation is more interesting, as Guardiola likes very much to play with low for tactics rather than high for tactics. That's why he keeps benched many times Gabriel Jesus and Aguero and plays often with a meso-attacker in the front- plus that all his choices of CFs are players able with the ball down rather that good at headers. Though, it seems to me like a 4-3-2-1 or rather a 4-1-4-1 than a 4-2-3-1. It reminds me of the 4-4-2 tactics of Jorge Jesus, copying his tactics of the very successful Benfica of 2011 to 2014, when the Eagles of Lisbon had won two consecutive doubles. I believe that- this year at least- he prefers Sterling over Bernardo Silva in the SS position, to exploit his speed, invasion and acceleration, while the Portuguese has better passes. One or two times, I've seen Mahrez as SS and Bernardo Silva as right winger. Another thing I've also seen, but not as often, is that when in the attack, he keeps Rodri (or Fernandinho, who has exactly the same gamestyle) as DMF and sometimes he gives him an Anchorman role, while I'm sure that Gundogan is the dedicated Orchestrator and Kevin de Bruyne is the Creative Playmaker either as AMF just behind the SS or even besides the SS, in something like a 4-4-2 formation with 2 SSs. At the same time, though, I think that he keeps his wing backs in their positions, but he plays them as False Wingbacks rather that pushing them in the CMF role, thus leaving the Hug the Touchline strategy aside, so as to have a more compact center. And I also have the impression that he pushes his wingers in the RWF/ LWF and in the same line as the SS, so as to play with reverse foot tactics, which are his favourite. I had seen that in Bayern in Bundesliga, when he didn't start Lewandowski but with Muller as the SS. But you are right when you say that his sides are vulnerable in counters, as he hasn't developped a adequate answer to these situations, because he likes to keep his defence rather high in the field. Have a nice time.
Cheers Nikos and have a good day mate
Please do a Chelsea masterclasses video
Hey,when you try to recreate real life tactics is really important to take a look to player style of play (Prolific Winger ecc.) because they determine the movement a specific player does on the pitch!
I'd say styles of play value 80% of the result.
Very important point. It also helps you decide the players you want to build your team around, your formation etc...
Yes, but it's not something you can change. I'm not going to change a players position to take advantage of their playstyle at running the risk of ruining the tactics that are used IRL
@@SpoonyPizzas It could really ruin your tactic tho,let's say you want your full backs to cut inside,even if you use inverted fullbacks tactic,if they have the "attacking fullback" play style,they will not move smoothly inside as well as they had the inverted fullback playstyle;
Let's consider a more extreme example,if you want a specific midfielder to go inside the box you need the box to box playstyle,because if you use the specific tactic not just one center midfield goes inside the box but every other player,resulting in an unbalanced tactic.
Furthermore you can just have 2 red arrows (attacking tactics)so you don't have enough to dictate every player movement.
@@bestix8174 I can't even see an "inverted fullback playstyle. I see offensive, defensive and finisher
@@adammaidment9962 finisher is inverted
Only found ur channel yday really enjoy it
Amazing formation, really fluid in possession 👍🏽
Need this for all teams that won the treble✊✊
What about a hansi flick tactics......by the way your videos are awesome
Thanks mate and they're coming...I did make them in 2020
Thank you man you are the best
Your pc graphics look amazing Spoony, i take it every pc part you have specified,you use.
Yup! My pc is overkill though...it's cuz I video edit
Really work 👍
Cheers and yup
Nah bro when they went on a 20+ game winning streak they used 3223 with cancelo and rodri as double pivot
Please can you do Ole or Klopp tactics
Great video! However as a Villa fan I have to say that version of Villa Park looks super weird!
Haha, tbh I've only seen Villa Park on TV and something definitely looks off but can pin point it
Nice one.
Cheers matw
I like how you pitied Chelsea by scoring an own goal in the beginning and you scored 2 later.
Lol
What are differences between 433 nd this one??
How did u get these champions leage official presentations
When you upload the Option File Pes Universe V7 for the DP 5.0???
Hey I tried this formation and one thing I noticed the CDM keeps playing everyone onside, Fernandinho seems to run back behind the 2 CB's playing the attackers onside, Spoony have you noticed this?
Yes I had this too with Rodri. It's cuz we've made him a defender. Not sure why he plays /sits so deep tbh. That's not normal, must be a DP5 change.
@@SpoonyPizzas Think the only way round this is to make him a CDM in possession and use the 'defensive' strategy on him
great
Spoony quick question as I know you play on PS5 too. In the replays, do you also get a curved line down towards the bottom right ? very faint, it's like a shadow caused by something. But happens at any ground for me. Only during the replay.
Hmmm not noticed it mate
Please do formation with back 3 please
Coming soon :)
Hi spoony what is your online PS+ id? Id like to try to play with you, just want to see how far my pes skill is. I learn alot from your video. Thank you spoony! Love from Indonesia
where could i get the patch?
Hey m8, d'you know anyway we can get players to block basic passing lanes? Most teams in real life seem to do it, but in this game, the players just scramble about and let the opponent pass to whoever unless you just control the players one by one which isn't feasible most of the time.
See my defending tutorial. On the highest difficulty levels you'll find out that the best way is to keep shape
@@SpoonyPizzas Okay, thanks man.
Great video! This is what 1 billion pounds can do. 😅😂
Do u think these tactics could work on Pes mobile?
Have you changed your mind on the latest Data Pack after playing a bit more? Or is it still abysmal?
Abysmal, this is still DP4 :)
@@SpoonyPizzas lol fair enough. I was thinking of getting 21 (on sale for ten dollarydoos atm but I ain't getting it, may as well plough on with DP7 on PES 2020)
@@guyincognito566 haha it's probably still better than 2020...but yeah it's hard to recommend atm
Whats the camera angle? Its pretty realistic
Live broadcast mate, it's beautiful
Unreal manager but like to see what he can without all that money. Thats why Fergison and Lippi two greatest managers for me. Even Jose with Porto and Inter they should never of won them Champions leagues.
Pes 21 been disappointing to me lately. I cant seem to find a tactic that works for me. I really like how klopp and guardiola play. Mostly guardiola. But nowadays, i can't seem to find the balance between attack and defense. I can't defend and can't create enough. Lately, i've resorted to 4-2-4(knight MD's lfc tactics) but despite creating am alwaya outnumbered. Already watched your tutorials for best tactics. Any tactical help you can suggest bro.
Hmm the 361 is best but you need to be patient. Send me a full video to pesgoalz@gmail.com and ill see if there's some suggestions you can do
Im gna do master league with city
Also what mod are you using for the UCL?
VR2 mod (it's not really a final, just group game)
@@SpoonyPizzas Thanks
I have a question, why sometimes when I play online , it seems that the opponent team players are on drugs , they are running like crazy all the time and much faster than my player , even if my team is better team like PSG and the other team is like West Ham Utd , is there a secret, plz help
Probably an attack/defence strategy thing. Does it feel like you're being suffocated? If so, see my one tip you must know video
@@SpoonyPizzas I do not think it is about strategy, the players running so fast and never get tired even towards the end of the game , Im thinking there is something to press in addition to dash button to make them run like that
is this formation playable with a striker ?
Sure thing
I wonder why you use a fluid formation to get the full backs to Go central and the dmf to become a cb.
Is the result much different of you use „false full backs“ and „defensive“ on rodri?
Yeah Rodri wouldn't move into a deep defensive position, he just stays back during attacks (ahead of defence instead of 3 man D) then false fallbacks often sit as a ACM inside RMF/LFM and other CMs/ACMs.... And they move inwards at a later phase in attack/possession of the ball. Hope this helps mate
@@SpoonyPizzas the explanation about rodri is quite logical when in think about it and to know how exacltly false full backs work is quite helping actually.
I Need to try it out now in game and obeserve them a bit 🙃👍
@@SpoonyPizzas Hey Spoony!
One thing I noticed with changing player positional areas using fluid formation isn't very good in PES. The players don't straight away go to their positions but take their time to go from wings to centre or from centre to wings (sometimes even waiting till play is reset by ball out of bounds) maybe because how PES moves other players to replace players you move from their position and they don't go back automatically until their position is free. I hope they fix this AI in future.
Who Is the camera?
Live broadcast mate
@@SpoonyPizzas Thanks bro!! 👌🏻
I take it this is from the PC version of PES? coz if it’s the PS4 version I need the details on the patch 😂
Haha yeah it's PC mate
Is this ps4 spoony?
How do u get all thier real faces and the champios leauge how is that possible in ps4?????
Pc mate
How get the Champions League stuff?
VirtuaRed V2 mod
hi bro which is your fav club??
Manchester United mate :)
👍💯👍
Foden??
He came off the bench
Who's bernardo silver 🤣🤣
Lmao shhh
It's not a fluid formation in my club so this isn't a lot of help buddy.
People don't need local match settings help,they need my club settings help.
There are fluid formations mate and 65% play Master League (offline) only 30% play MyClub. If there's enough interest, I'd cover off the MyClub formations. I'll be bringing out a counter formations video soon.
didn't think anyone played it offline any more didn't realise,
It does my head in online so might go back to master league myself but playing the comp is just a bit dull buddy yaa know,🤷🏼♂️
but it needs to be better online for sure.👍🏻 Heading down for team mates is like giving the ball awayand every 4th or 5th pass it's like it can't compute it online,very frustrating. Hope the new one is better.👍🏻
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This game has become an absolute joke. Complete shit show.
Yuppppp