any ideas on writing a thesis that is not basically "the author uses allusion to xyz the audience", like, i dont wanna just state the choices and their purpose
If you have an idea-driven thesis, do you need to describe the rhetorical devices the writer uses for those strategies or just convey the impact the strategy has on the audience?
Ok, one of the main problem I usually have is to realize the choices the writer/speaker uses. Another problem I have is that I usually ran out of commentary after 1 sentence commentary. Do you have any tips for these problems?
Yes, see our full playlist for AP English Language. At the end of the list, we have several videos where we wrote essays live and talked through how to write commentary.
Do we have to include rhetorical devices in our intro if we focus more on rhetorical strategies in our thesis? I'm having a hard time understanding if we have to list the devices in the intro or if we could just mention devices in the body paragraphs under each strategy we write about. I would really appreciate your reply!
Honestly you really don't need to. Look at the ideas the author is trying to convey and the strategies used to convey them, and then you use rhetorical devices in your body paragrphas to support that thesis. You can put rhetorical devices in your thesis, but it's stronger to put ideas and strategies.
My teacher suggests to mention the rhetorical STRATEGIES in the thesis statement and topic sentences, and then mention rhetorical devices throughout the paragraphs that create these strategies. That way, you are not limiting yourself to using *certain* devices
You can, but be careful about missing important material in other paragraphs. One option is to read the whole passage quickly and then analyze a couple of paragraphs closely.
Do we have to put rhetorical devices such as anaphora in our thesis? Or can we say for example, “the author employs multiple rhetorical appeals to further his argument (which is whatever he’s arguing for). My teacher said there is no use for listing rhetorical appeals/ideas/strategies in the thesis paragraph, but to instead list them in your body paragraphs. Please answer soon Marco!
I know you’ve gotten a response already but my teacher recommended said to include a few rhetorical devices (appeal to their feelings of injustice...) to be on a better track to score 1-4-0+
@@haliliu2058 Yes, this is the way we've constructed sample thesis statements in videos on this channel and it's our preferred approach. There are successful essays that use other approaches as well.
Is it ok to have 2 body paragraphs instead of 3? I tend to have an idea/strategy based essay instead of a device essay, and I do that by chunking the passage and talking about the specific themes in each part. Sometimes it's hard for me to chunk the passage into 3 parts, but I'm afraid that 2 body paragraphs might not be enough variation in ideas. Any advice? Thanks for all the help
There is no fixed number of paragraphs that you need to earn a topic score. Write the best essay you can in the time that's given. Focus on specific evidence and explaining that evidence well.
There is no fixed number, but at least two or three. Very sophisticated essays sometimes talk about different dimensions of just one rhetorical choice, but most essays address multiple ones.
Since there’s no points awarded for contextualization, is there really any point in doing it at all in our essay so we can focus more on evidence/commentary?
How many pieces of evidence do you suggest for each rhetorical choice? If I only used one piece of evidence do you think it would hurt the quality of my writing?
No typically I usually stick to one piece of evidence for each choice but be careful not to say things in your thesis like “respectful tone throughout the passage” if your only gonna talk about one part. I typically use one piece of evidence since I do 3 body paragraphs but if you want two chunky bodies instead then it would be better to have multiple pieces of evidence.
If you can find more relevant examples to discuss in each body paragraph, then do that. The more evidence that you can relate back to the author (and/or to your thesis), the more points you can earn for evidence and commentary.
On the AP English Literature Exam this year, they removed the title of the author and the title of the novel. We haven’t heard that they will do the same for AP English Language. Either way, you will be provided with enough information about the rhetorical occasion to talk about the writer and the audience.
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any ideas on writing a thesis that is not basically "the author uses allusion to xyz the audience", like, i dont wanna just state the choices and their purpose
If you have an idea-driven thesis, do you need to describe the rhetorical devices the writer uses for those strategies or just convey the impact the strategy has on the audience?
You can approach the thesis either way.
Marco Learning Would the analysis have to include rhetorical devices if you choose a strategy based essay?
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Ok, one of the main problem I usually have is to realize the choices the writer/speaker uses. Another problem I have is that I usually ran out of commentary after 1 sentence commentary. Do you have any tips for these problems?
Yes, see our full playlist for AP English Language. At the end of the list, we have several videos where we wrote essays live and talked through how to write commentary.
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Do we have to include rhetorical devices in our intro if we focus more on rhetorical strategies in our thesis? I'm having a hard time understanding if we have to list the devices in the intro or if we could just mention devices in the body paragraphs under each strategy we write about. I would really appreciate your reply!
Yes, in the end of thesis u should include rhetorical devices, and then in body paragraphs u should describe how author used them
Honestly you really don't need to. Look at the ideas the author is trying to convey and the strategies used to convey them, and then you use rhetorical devices in your body paragrphas to support that thesis. You can put rhetorical devices in your thesis, but it's stronger to put ideas and strategies.
You can approach this either way. Do what is the clearest and most natural way for you on test day.
My teacher suggests to mention the rhetorical STRATEGIES in the thesis statement and topic sentences, and then mention rhetorical devices throughout the paragraphs that create these strategies. That way, you are not limiting yourself to using *certain* devices
Albert W Thank you! Your advice has cleared it up for me as well 😊
Can we simply just read paragraphs of the article instead of the whole thing?
You can, but be careful about missing important material in other paragraphs. One option is to read the whole passage quickly and then analyze a couple of paragraphs closely.
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Do we have to put rhetorical devices such as anaphora in our thesis? Or can we say for example, “the author employs multiple rhetorical appeals to further his argument (which is whatever he’s arguing for). My teacher said there is no use for listing rhetorical appeals/ideas/strategies in the thesis paragraph, but to instead list them in your body paragraphs. Please answer soon Marco!
Yes, you can do it either way.
I know you’ve gotten a response already but my teacher recommended said to include a few rhetorical devices (appeal to their feelings of injustice...) to be on a better track to score 1-4-0+
@@haliliu2058 Yes, this is the way we've constructed sample thesis statements in videos on this channel and it's our preferred approach. There are successful essays that use other approaches as well.
Is there a specific format that our essay should be in? (Like Times New Roman, 12pt, double spaced?)
If he doesn’t respond I would do that just in case, I did times new roman double space 11pt for APUSH
i just did used the default font and size for the apush dbq so i assume it would be the same for this exam
There is no specific format in terms of font or text size.
Is it ok to have 2 body paragraphs instead of 3? I tend to have an idea/strategy based essay instead of a device essay, and I do that by chunking the passage and talking about the specific themes in each part. Sometimes it's hard for me to chunk the passage into 3 parts, but I'm afraid that 2 body paragraphs might not be enough variation in ideas. Any advice? Thanks for all the help
There is no fixed number of paragraphs that you need to earn a topic score. Write the best essay you can in the time that's given. Focus on specific evidence and explaining that evidence well.
Is it possible to earn a sophistication point by utilizing a rhetorical device in your own writing and analysis of the passage?
That could contribute to a "vivid and persuasive" writing style, which is one way to earn the sophistication point.
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How many rhetorical devices do we need to have?
There is no fixed number, but at least two or three. Very sophisticated essays sometimes talk about different dimensions of just one rhetorical choice, but most essays address multiple ones.
Marco Learning thank you so much for that quick reply!
Sure thing! Good luck on your exam!
Should I write the thesis and everything the follows and then save the contextualization for last when writing my Rhetorical Analysis essay tomorrow?
Definitely prioritize the thesis and evidence/ commentary first, before worrying about context.
Since there’s no points awarded for contextualization, is there really any point in doing it at all in our essay so we can focus more on evidence/commentary?
I think it would help you get the unicorn point by demonstrating your awareness of the rhetorical situation
It could help you earn the sophistication point, as John says.
How many pieces of evidence do you suggest for each rhetorical choice? If I only used one piece of evidence do you think it would hurt the quality of my writing?
No typically I usually stick to one piece of evidence for each choice but be careful not to say things in your thesis like “respectful tone throughout the passage” if your only gonna talk about one part. I typically use one piece of evidence since I do 3 body paragraphs but if you want two chunky bodies instead then it would be better to have multiple pieces of evidence.
If you can find more relevant examples to discuss in each body paragraph, then do that. The more evidence that you can relate back to the author (and/or to your thesis), the more points you can earn for evidence and commentary.
do you know if they will provide the title of the passage, and the author because that’s how i usually start of my essays
On the AP English Literature Exam this year, they removed the title of the author and the title of the novel. We haven’t heard that they will do the same for AP English Language. Either way, you will be provided with enough information about the rhetorical occasion to talk about the writer and the audience.
thank you!!! also i’m really bad at introductions do you have any tips on that?
Yes, check out our full playlist of videos for AP Lang for study sessions where we write full essays live.
How many rhetorical choices do we need to have?
There is no set number, but most successful essays focus on at least 2 or 3.
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