Timeline matters Sep 2nd 2021: Slade teases the FEER for the first time in an sc.irregulars Instagram post. Sep 30th 2021: GBRS Group releases a UA-cam video entitled “GBRS GROUP- Knowledge Transfer Optic Mount Edition” in which DJ talks about the irrelevancy of cheek risers. Jul 16th 2022: GBRS group announces the release of their own cheek riser. We can’t let Garth Brooks R*** Survivors Group keep getting away with it.
he was already working on that design when he was at gbrs. thats how they already know about it,same with his optic laser high mount. they arent stealing ideas from his instagram. also in the video u mention he says they have been working on a cheek riser.
It’s also 3D printed which is IMHO LuLz; if you believe in it nut up like Magpul and make a hard tool for injection molding. Also you can’t charge your rifle past a certain point of the buttstock collapse. Not a GBRS specific thing but a bummer about those risers on anything that isn’t side charging.
I'll print for ppl for 20$ send me .stl or I'll make a .stl by scanning that's 2$ plastic they should be ashamed and don't tell me to you tons engineering make that. I could make it in hour on my pc
I think the people saying he is mad because they “ripped him off” really don’t understand. The guy with the blurry face basically said cheek risers are dumb and then GBRS ends up releasing their own after saying that lol
More or less. I have no problem with companies ripping each other off. GBRS does it. SC Irregulars does it. But it’s how we get better stuff. Someone makes a thing. Someone else makes the thing better. My issue is exactly what you said and what I outlined in the timeline in my pinned comment. I don’t think DJ ever felt one way or another about risers. I think he was just being petty to hurt Slade after he left and started SC Irregulars.
I mean he talking anecdotally right saying that he believes its a thing of the past, but other people might feel like they need it, why not take cover both options if people are gunna buy?
@@jenniturtleburger3708 I wouldn’t disagree with that. DJ was tier 1 so I trust completely the way he setup his carbines worked for him. That said it’s not really the point of this vid. It was the timing with which DJ made the statement that was suspect. Right after SC Irregulars released their riser DJ deemed them irrelevant. And then GBRS released their own riser. A charitable interpretation would be he saw a market for risers and it’s just capitalism. The uncharitable interpretation would be it was a petty jab at Slade’s product after he left GBRS on bad terms. I’ve personally shot without risers and 2.26” height optics quite a bit. A little while ago I started using a riser. That part comes down to personal preference. If you’re used to a chin weld it takes some getting used to but I’ve personally come to prefer the added touch point of a cheek weld even at CQB ranges.
Doesn’t mean he’s wrong… but the civilian client base wants it so obviously they’re going to make and sell it. Lol. When was the last time you gave a duck about a cheek riser when doing cqb? Seriously ask yourself that question.
Lol to be honest though I will give him credit for talking about that publicly on the Shawn Ryan Show. I’m clearly not a fan of GBRS but I respected that.
Pretty sure they did ask him about the missing lower. The shipping manager said he didnt know what happened to it. So I guess that's it huh lol the one guy seen on video says he doesn't know what happened to it so I guess just chalk it up to short term memory loss form thc and move on
Magpul been having them for years and then you got many other manufacturers that stopped making theirs like decades back but fr some of these mofos be acting like they stealing or sum thing like yo SC just dropped emissary 😂
@@Filmpilot I know what happened between them to a point but in all fairness nobody really knows cause it’s not our business and we weren’t there! All I’m saying is, there’s so many options and brands out there, everybody creates their own version so whichever one is best for you then buy that one!
They make these because they know there’s guys out there with more money than common sense who with their beer gut buy up any and every Gucci item they push 😂
to play devils advocate here... people should be allowed to change their opinions on things over time. Also as much as i love Slade and his content he didn't invent the concept of a cheek risers. That being said id 100% buy Slade's FEER over GBRS's riser simply cause i like the design more.
DJ didn't change his opinion, he's running a business and there's a consumer base for this product. Just bc his fans or customers might like/buy it doesn't mean he'll start running one. Besides, in the same video that this clip of DJ was taken from, DJ said they were already working on a cheek riser about a minute before this clip. This was just selecting editing by the uploader bc he's like all these other losers who become so obsessed with these guys he's trying to join their beefs
It's the fact they said cheek risers are a thing of the past then promoted cheek risers. It's not because they're selling something that are already available. Imagine telling a community a certain part is obsolete then a few months later try selling that "obsolete" product at an inflated price. It doesn't lend to credibility.
Exactly. Like without the outside opinions from social media literally non of us give a f*ck. Me personally I’ll take one of every riser I can get to be able to say that I have all of the options on the market. Like optics, I’m not going to start crying when holosun tries to make an Eotech… I’ll just get that one too then move on to the next piece of tech I want to add to my collection
@@revolutionmarine5693 my grandfather left me a rifle, 20 inch heavy barrel. 9lbs. It's got a red dot and nothing else on it He wanted a softer recoil impulse because of his bones
They didn’t invent cheek risers lol all they’re doing is making their own for their customers? Just like every other brand does… I love both these brand lmao why try and cause drama.
Imma be real with you, devil you can't throw shade at him for being cringe while your profile photo is a fucking boot Pic dawg. The only thing your missing is a nineline hat and grunt style shirt hanging on the wall behind you.
It's deeper than that bozo. The guy in the first clip got done dirty by the guy in the second clip. They parted ways, and the guy in the first clip went on to create his own business and designed his own cheek riser. Not even a month later, dirty dan in the second clip releases a video saying that cheek risers are useless, obviously trying to hurt the sales of the first guy. Then they release cheek risers eventually. You shouldn't be making comments or equivalencies on things you know nothing about.
The hate is not over companies making things it over the split of these guys and the fact that GBSR was saying they didn’t need something then make that exact item lol. This is the interweb of trolls right?
So do a bunch of companies make hydra mounts too??? Because that was slades design and they straight up stole it and charge damn near 600 a piece. Pathetic.
no theyre not because companies have made them for years. saying theyre ripping Slade off like that means u can say Slade ripped off larue and larue ripped off magpul. they did rip Slade off on his riser mount and god knows what else but the riser is already out there. buy what u want. i like Slades design better anyways. already have 4 and have another on its way as i write this.
Yep! This is like someone making a video saying CZ ripped Glock off, everyone ripped Glock off...Daniel Defense ripped of Colt....Kimber ripped off Colt 1911...see where this is going? haha!
I read a comment on yt where they called it Goobers Group. Hahaha. The yt video shows an employee called the cops on a colleague for stealing a package. It wasnt stolen as they found it a little while later. The cops then conspire with that arsehole employee, to try to charge him for anything they can. They can't so they release him. Goobers group still fires that innocent man. Goodbers Group. Yeah!
Let’s not forget that people found out the cop was a fan of gbrs, and they found his social media, and found a pic of the cop wearing a gbrs shirt. That’s why he was so quick to jump on gbrs dick and try to arrest that innocent man.
There is a method to the madness. GBRS just took it to the extreme (in more ways than one). Taller optic means you have a taller heads up display. The cheek riser is because w/out it, if you keep your stock in the right place you have a chin weld. With the cheek riser you have a cheek weld. All that said $349.99 (used to be $549) for a 2.91” cerakoted soda can metal mount is insane. Height and price. A case could be made the height is good for passive aiming with night vision but I don’t know many people doing that.
Have some respect, They just made what their customers are asking for. how many companies make similar products , from buttstock risers to gas blocks and muzzle devices, who gives a shit, its called evolving or growing your brand just buy the the brand you like
I hit the dont recommend after i heard one of the blurrie faces casually make a remark about mowing down 3pers in one of the knowledge transfers. I dont remember what video now but it was about cqb.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ funny thing is, in the clip you showed of DJ about a min before in that video he said that they were already working on a cheek riser. Odd you didn't show that part lmao. You and every loser with no life are so obsessed with these guys that you're trying to join their beef with each other 😂😂😂 DJ has done some questionable things but this is a helluva reach.
so nobody can do adaptable slings because Vicker made them before anybody else? Or tactical belts. After Ronin no one can make their belts right ? They change their minds about it, so fucking what ?
It’s not a matter of changing their minds it’s the fact that they are stealing someone’s hard work and that’s fucking bullshit.... do a little research bud....
@@gilbertsmith8520 I point you again to my argument about slings, belts and any other toy on the market. Everyone copy from someone else while trying to improve the product itself.
@@gilbertsmith8520 perhaps but anyone under the fucking sun use the very same belts (just as example). GBRS, Ronin, Vicker, Warrior Poet, everyone use the very same belt. only different is, where the loops and hooks are. The gear we use on us or out rifle aren't really unique man, we chose the one we like better but there are 100s of clones out there.
@@tusharin1984 The cops didn’t mirandize him and will likely argue they detained and questioned James. But they put him in cuffs and ankle bracelets, drove him to the police station and interrogated him. Sounds like more of an arrest than a detainment to me.
@@tusharin1984 If you’re not up to date on the arrest and firing of their employee my latest videos are about it. Also this: ua-cam.com/video/na00ri5z7X0/v-deo.htmlsi=39G1dc6ooBv_19yg The Civil Rights Lawyer did a way better job breaking it down than I could.
Just because they don't agree with cheek risers, doesn't mean it's not a valuable investment for a business. Take the personal aspect away from it, and there ya go. Stop being a troll
The AR platform has everything directly in line with the bore. Simply adding less riser to your sight would provide for a better cheek weld with an AR than some gimmicky product that catches your beard hairs anyway. The AR needs no cheek riser for a 50mm scopr mounted up on their rails. Cheek weld on a SOPMOD stock is great for basically every sight you can have on the gun.
Y’all take beef that nobody knows the real reason for, besides the people related to the situation, and act like it involves you. Nobody knows what actually happened between GBRS and Slade. Positions change on what people believe to be good and bad when it comes to shooting. Forever people talked shit on red dots. Now 90% of pistol videos I watch have red dots attached. Companies copy each other and make similar shit, for example like the ronin belt and the bison belt. It is what it is especially when it’s a competition to make the best product. Maybe they have a beef, maybe they don’t but who tf cares if it doesn’t involve you.
Hey hey now. Don’t bully gbrs group. If dj gets mad he just may go and cheat on his wife again 😂😂😂 dude I have a better chance at passing the bar exam without studying than this dude does at staying faithful
I get that Slade deserves the credit for his design but there’s gonna be a million out there and we’ve been rigging our own setups for a raised cheek weld when using an elevated optic for quite some time now. It’s nothing new it’s just a topic of contention because of the money involved now.
Anyone who's all caught up in this so called drama needs to check your priorities! Capitalism is great and when more than one company makes the same product It's called competition! Competition is also great and it only benefits us, the end users by giving us more options and hopefully lower prices! Can't decide... Buy both! I'm pretty sure everyone in this comment section all has more than one carbine/rifle whatever!
I mean theyre a business. I think 10 round pmags are dumb but people want 10 round pmags. If I were the CEO of magpul I want you to buy the product from me, not someone else, despite thinking theyre dumb. If GOOONers will pay 70 bucks for a piece of plastic, they deserve it.
It doesn't matter if they prefer them or not, they always preach its about the end user. They are simply offering a product that has a demand for some users. Smart business to offer a product that competes with a competitor As well
Possible. Alternatively possible is they said they’re irrelevant to hurt SC Irregulars and then started making their own when they realized there was a demand. You could be right but the timeline of events make me think the latter is more likely.
Is no one going to mention where blur man says he doesn’t take precision shots with a rifle? I get it that it’s not a bolt action, but when you have to use it for self defense or defense of others in the real world, and not on a flat range, you better be making precision shots with it.
Being a good operator doesn’t automatically make you a good teacher. When I was younger I was extremely lucky. I wrestled and did mma for a while and I trained at a gym where the top ten in both would regularly flow in and out. Some of the best fighters I trained with were horrible teachers and vice versa. Point being, people hear “DEVGRU” or “CAG” and assume everything that follows, no matter how ridiculous is gospel.
You can think something is stupid and still recognize there is a market for that stupid thing. Solgw recently released chf barrels simply for that reason, and they said as much in the podcast talking about it.
DJ is speaking from experience as a SEAL. 99% of us arent SEALs and dont "operate". For those that compete a riser just might be ideal. That's for each individual to determine. Just saying.
The price for the product is the real crime. Also, just because one person comes out with the product first doesn’t mean that they stole it. Who know who had the idea first. Is there a patent pending or secured. I like both GBRS and Slade, but who can say who had the idea first. Could have been a joint venture. Who knows.
The most significant piece of evidence in my opinion is Slade released his riser and then DJ released a vid talking about how he didn’t like risers. If it was DJ’s idea originally he wouldn’t have said that at the time. Either it wasn’t his idea OR…. he was just being super petty talking trash on risers to hurt Slade’s business.
It’s a business. They still need to make money. If people are willing to buy one cuz they think it works for them then they’ll make the product and sell it. Doesn’t mean they need to use it. Idk that’s how I look at it 🤷♂️
Using this logic we would all be driving Ford Model Ts. Sure glad others made their own versions of products. I like my iPhone, would sure hate to be using the first brick phone
@@Patrick_Bateman____ Yeah man! I guess everyone who commented on your video is completely unaware of the context here. Oh well, I thought it was hilarious.
They dont think you need them, but its what everyone wants so of course they are going to take advantage of the demand. At least they openly said they dont think you need it.
$75 for like a $0.20 piece of plastic... When you can get the same exact thing from an airsoft version for $20 and GBRS group's version is $50.. profit margins dont need to be 10000000% ffs. When are people going to wake up, im so tired of the BS prices in the firearm industry
Hey may agree with a cheek weld when running different optics for long range engagements… Regardless, he says “it is a thing of the past” in reference to “CQB” so… He admits he changed his mind which is not hypocrisy.
It’s the timing the makes it seem hypocritical. He said, “in our opinion they’re a thing of the past” less than a month after Slade teased his riser for the first time. Slade might’ve even been working on the riser while still at GBRS. Then GBRS releases their own riser. The charitable interpretation is yours. DJ changed his mind or he just realized there was a market for them when Slade’s started selling out. The uncharitable interpretation is it was a petty jab at Slade. After all DJ did call SWAT on Slade as he was packing up his things to leave GBRS so I wouldn’t put pettiness past him.
I always hear them say it's a personal preference. So why not sell them they are a company. Just because he doesn't like them doesn't mean somebody else feels the same way. You couldn't be them so why not hate on them right.
It’s not that they’re selling it. It was the timing. DJ made this video less than a month after Slade posted the FEER for the first time. The goober boys knew Slade was already working on it while he was still at GBRS.
I’m not a fan of the GBRS (extremely) elevated mounts or this cheek riser. That said in CQB as he’s speaking on here, cheek weld is not a big deal, also as he said.
If I'm not mistaken I think his name is Bill Wilson from Wilson Combat and I've seen a video of him saying that he doesn't like extended safety levers on 1911's and doesn't really recommend them but he'll gladly sell you one. Same thing.
Just business. Lots of people in business make shit they won’t use themselves because that’s what the market wants. I’m sure if they did use one they’d use their own. Pretty basic stuff.
I think people need to realize as well these guys are all about short action CQB which in reality if any of us Americans were going to get into a gun fight with our AR-15 it is not going to be CQB. Most gunfights are 200 to 600 yards
The majority of their consumers are civilians with much less training than them. They want their customers to buy their high risers. But their main customers have issues using them because of their lack of training with high risers. Therefore they introduce a product that will help their largest customer use their new product.
Tbh man it sucks there’s drama between them. I don’t know the reason and don’t care to know because at the end of the day there on the same team and I absorb knowledge from both of them. I hope they can put there differences aside one day and keep transferring knowledge to the American citizens. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
none of them run them… I don’t think a single member in GBRS runs then they do it because other and many many people like them so they can make money off of it and at the end of the day if people like that group more than any other group, they can support that group instead instead of having to support the other group or go by a company that already makes a crap ton of money.
GBRS selling a riser wasn’t the point. It was DJ saying, “in our opinion they’re a thing of the past” after Slade released his. And then GBRS released their own. It seemed more like a petty jab at Slade than capitalism. At the time DJ made that comment I don’t think he actually felt one way or another about risers.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ idrc🤷🏽 never watch the other dude, dont care for dj or them much but they do a lot wirh civs now. i was just saying none of them run it, so again GBRS as a buisness is going to sell them when there popular. its a business not a person. ik they have “beef” there operators lol.
Timeline matters
Sep 2nd 2021: Slade teases the FEER for the first time in an sc.irregulars Instagram post.
Sep 30th 2021: GBRS Group releases a UA-cam video entitled “GBRS GROUP- Knowledge Transfer Optic Mount Edition” in which DJ talks about the irrelevancy of cheek risers.
Jul 16th 2022: GBRS group announces the release of their own cheek riser.
We can’t let Garth Brooks R*** Survivors Group keep getting away with it.
he was already working on that design when he was at gbrs. thats how they already know about it,same with his optic laser high mount. they arent stealing ideas from his instagram. also in the video u mention he says they have been working on a cheek riser.
You want a real-time line I bought one of these under a different brand in like 2011..... Stock risers are nothing new. Get over yourself.
What the R*** stand for? Let me in i can handle it 😬
@@EL_Pivio
I’ll give you a hint. Bill Cosby did it a lot.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ ate puddin? 🤔
Ok but $75 dollars for that is psychotic, no engineering went into that lmfao
$1 foam pad + $3 double sided tape + $0.05 razor blade
@rootintootin5167 exactly what I did but with velcro so I can take it off or on
It’s also 3D printed which is IMHO LuLz; if you believe in it nut up like Magpul and make a hard tool for injection molding.
Also you can’t charge your rifle past a certain point of the buttstock collapse. Not a GBRS specific thing but a bummer about those risers on anything that isn’t side charging.
I'll print for ppl for 20$ send me .stl or I'll make a .stl by scanning that's 2$ plastic they should be ashamed and don't tell me to you tons engineering make that. I could make it in hour on my pc
The Larue riser is $35 and actually has some engineering in it 😂
75 bucks for a piece of plastic? Magpul see this and sell one just like it for 30 lol
Bought mine second hand Magpul for $15 shipped haha
@@guntypesnlifegripes stl file for….
@@n1c704 is about $3
$2 for the printed polymer $73 because you bought it from a former seal
I think the people saying he is mad because they “ripped him off” really don’t understand.
The guy with the blurry face basically said cheek risers are dumb and then GBRS ends up releasing their own after saying that lol
More or less. I have no problem with companies ripping each other off. GBRS does it. SC Irregulars does it. But it’s how we get better stuff. Someone makes a thing. Someone else makes the thing better.
My issue is exactly what you said and what I outlined in the timeline in my pinned comment. I don’t think DJ ever felt one way or another about risers. I think he was just being petty to hurt Slade after he left and started SC Irregulars.
I mean he talking anecdotally right saying that he believes its a thing of the past, but other people might feel like they need it, why not take cover both options if people are gunna buy?
He’s saying he doesn’t need it for CQB. Because he’s in (was in) a TEIR 1 unit that’s all he’s doing. If you are taking precision shots it helps.
@@jenniturtleburger3708
I wouldn’t disagree with that. DJ was tier 1 so I trust completely the way he setup his carbines worked for him. That said it’s not really the point of this vid. It was the timing with which DJ made the statement that was suspect. Right after SC Irregulars released their riser DJ deemed them irrelevant. And then GBRS released their own riser. A charitable interpretation would be he saw a market for risers and it’s just capitalism. The uncharitable interpretation would be it was a petty jab at Slade’s product after he left GBRS on bad terms.
I’ve personally shot without risers and 2.26” height optics quite a bit. A little while ago I started using a riser. That part comes down to personal preference. If you’re used to a chin weld it takes some getting used to but I’ve personally come to prefer the added touch point of a cheek weld even at CQB ranges.
Doesn’t mean he’s wrong… but the civilian client base wants it so obviously they’re going to make and sell it. Lol. When was the last time you gave a duck about a cheek riser when doing cqb? Seriously ask yourself that question.
dj shipley the adultery king
Lol to be honest though I will give him credit for talking about that publicly on the Shawn Ryan Show. I’m clearly not a fan of GBRS but I respected that.
Be a man! Cheat on your wife. “Loyalty over integrity” 😂
Y’all the people that get coworkers arrested rather than having a simple conversation? Can’t wait to see the lawsuit.
New GBRS motto:
“Call cops first. Ask questions later.” Or never…
Seems like the Same type of “Vets” that Helped the FBI Stage J6… …The “McC!an/Bush” type of “vet”…
Absolutely crazy. Do not support a company that would try and ruin a man life and career over nothing
Ghey
Pretty sure they did ask him about the missing lower. The shipping manager said he didnt know what happened to it. So I guess that's it huh lol the one guy seen on video says he doesn't know what happened to it so I guess just chalk it up to short term memory loss form thc and move on
You know multiple companies make these things right!? They’re just making their own one, up to you who you buy from! 😂
Magpul been having them for years and then you got many other manufacturers that stopped making theirs like decades back but fr some of these mofos be acting like they stealing or sum thing like yo SC just dropped emissary 😂
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ is that english?
You obviously don’t know the back story about slade and gbrs, Fryett
@@Filmpilot I know what happened between them to a point but in all fairness nobody really knows cause it’s not our business and we weren’t there! All I’m saying is, there’s so many options and brands out there, everybody creates their own version so whichever one is best for you then buy that one!
Well shit! What happened between the two? 🍿
They make them because people want them. Supply and demand.
*Demand and Supply*
Exactly. Lol it's almost like consumers don't understand how business works. 😂😂
They make these because they know there’s guys out there with more money than common sense who with their beer gut buy up any and every Gucci item they push 😂
they make them because **dumb** people want them,and **dumb** people like to buy **dumb** things
So does this mean everyone copied Magpul?
Even Magpul weren't the first to do it.
Larue has the best cheek riser. My opinion won’t change
to play devils advocate here... people should be allowed to change their opinions on things over time. Also as much as i love Slade and his content he didn't invent the concept of a cheek risers. That being said id 100% buy Slade's FEER over GBRS's riser simply cause i like the design more.
DJ didn't change his opinion, he's running a business and there's a consumer base for this product. Just bc his fans or customers might like/buy it doesn't mean he'll start running one. Besides, in the same video that this clip of DJ was taken from, DJ said they were already working on a cheek riser about a minute before this clip. This was just selecting editing by the uploader bc he's like all these other losers who become so obsessed with these guys he's trying to join their beefs
This
Dudes who admire Slade makes me wonder if they’re gay.
@@philweed1603 got a problem with that?
@@TehPh1L yes
"OMG SOMEONE ELSE THAN MCDONALDS IS SELLING FRIES????" - "THIIIEEEEFS" - cringe
Thieves*... your spelling is cringe, sir.
@@IAmNotFamousAnymore Go back to eating McDonald's, fat incel.
It's the fact they said cheek risers are a thing of the past then promoted cheek risers. It's not because they're selling something that are already available.
Imagine telling a community a certain part is obsolete then a few months later try selling that "obsolete" product at an inflated price. It doesn't lend to credibility.
Exactly. Like without the outside opinions from social media literally non of us give a f*ck. Me personally I’ll take one of every riser I can get to be able to say that I have all of the options on the market. Like optics, I’m not going to start crying when holosun tries to make an Eotech… I’ll just get that one too then move on to the next piece of tech I want to add to my collection
AERO
They’re running around with 20lb rifles with all that crap hanging off of them.
It’s more like 8 or 9pounds
@@Magilla_Gorilla7.62x39 I was being facetious.
Even my joke rifle only comes out to 11 pounds loaded
20 pound guns are long distance sniper guns with 26” heavy barrels 😂.
@@revolutionmarine5693 my grandfather left me a rifle, 20 inch heavy barrel. 9lbs. It's got a red dot and nothing else on it
He wanted a softer recoil impulse because of his bones
They didn’t invent cheek risers lol all they’re doing is making their own for their customers? Just like every other brand does… I love both these brand lmao why try and cause drama.
Blurring your face out when you're no longer in the military and are now a civilian is peak cringe
So is putting your service portrait as your profile pic but I agree with you so I won’t pick on ya
Imma be real with you, devil you can't throw shade at him for being cringe while your profile photo is a fucking boot Pic dawg.
The only thing your missing is a nineline hat and grunt style shirt hanging on the wall behind you.
@@mitchellbryars9338 Sounded like a grown man in my eyes and not a 12 yr old girl. But carry on boss man
@@mitchellbryars9338 The hell it isn’t 😂 boomer
@@mitchellbryars9338 Acting like my dead grandpa with those word choices. But with the Lego gun as a pfp I can’t tell if you’re him or the 12 year old
They tried to cover his face like we don't know who he is😂
That’s like saying Ford is stealing from Chevy because their cars also use gasoline. The products don’t even look alike 😂😂
you're an idiot. the point is he said they're useless and then he starts selling them later for a ridiculous price
This is the equivalent of magpul releasing a new foregrip and you compaining that they didn't invent foregrips
This is the equivalent of saying foregrips are useless then promoting a foregrip. Are you that dense?
@@DoughBoyDopeBoyYes he is that dense
I think you missed the point
It's deeper than that bozo. The guy in the first clip got done dirty by the guy in the second clip. They parted ways, and the guy in the first clip went on to create his own business and designed his own cheek riser. Not even a month later, dirty dan in the second clip releases a video saying that cheek risers are useless, obviously trying to hurt the sales of the first guy. Then they release cheek risers eventually. You shouldn't be making comments or equivalencies on things you know nothing about.
Slade has always seemed like a much more genuine guy over DJ.
I think there’s evidence to support that. For example, to the best of my knowledge Slade has never called SWAT on his coworkers.
@Patrick_Bateman____ and Slade seems like he actually has a relationship with his children.
Sounds like something a woman would say.
Write him a letter.
Tell him about your feelings 😂😂😂😂
How many companies make the same style of slings? How many companies make the same style of weapon lights? I don’t get the hate
The hate is not over companies making things it over the split of these guys and the fact that GBSR was saying they didn’t need something then make that exact item lol. This is the interweb of trolls right?
@@ryanburbridge then don’t buy the *GBRS version?
@@davidbowman3632 i am not buying anything. But yeah seems simple
These days, very obviously hate sells. Tribalism blows up some folks skirts.
So do a bunch of companies make hydra mounts too??? Because that was slades design and they straight up stole it and charge damn near 600 a piece. Pathetic.
no theyre not because companies have made them for years. saying theyre ripping Slade off like that means u can say Slade ripped off larue and larue ripped off magpul. they did rip Slade off on his riser mount and god knows what else but the riser is already out there. buy what u want. i like Slades design better anyways. already have 4 and have another on its way as i write this.
Yep! This is like someone making a video saying CZ ripped Glock off, everyone ripped Glock off...Daniel Defense ripped of Colt....Kimber ripped off Colt 1911...see where this is going? haha!
Difference is they were trashing Slade one minute, then ripping off his design another.
I read a comment on yt where they called it Goobers Group. Hahaha.
The yt video shows an employee called the cops on a colleague for stealing a package. It wasnt stolen as they found it a little while later.
The cops then conspire with that arsehole employee, to try to charge him for anything they can.
They can't so they release him. Goobers group still fires that innocent man. Goodbers Group. Yeah!
My four latest videos are documenting that incident. Goobers Group’s s**t baggery knows no bounds.
Let’s not forget that people found out the cop was a fan of gbrs, and they found his social media, and found a pic of the cop wearing a gbrs shirt. That’s why he was so quick to jump on gbrs dick and try to arrest that innocent man.
Oh mine,.. DJ is completely incognito with that pixilated face.
Or you could just move that optic down. But then losers wouldn’t need to buy a $400 optic mount.
There is a method to the madness. GBRS just took it to the extreme (in more ways than one). Taller optic means you have a taller heads up display. The cheek riser is because w/out it, if you keep your stock in the right place you have a chin weld. With the cheek riser you have a cheek weld.
All that said $349.99 (used to be $549) for a 2.91” cerakoted soda can metal mount is insane. Height and price. A case could be made the height is good for passive aiming with night vision but I don’t know many people doing that.
Or go back to the 90s and use a carry handle like delta did then. My only question is how does that high mount work in the prone position.
@@glennmassanova5671 it wasn’t just Delta… receivers didn’t have flat tops back then!
All this talk of butt-rising and cheek-welding from these handsome Navy boyzz has got me feeling funny like a bunny 🐇 🍑 💦
Magpul already makes them for CTR stock...
Have some respect, They just made what their customers are asking for. how many companies make similar products , from buttstock risers to gas blocks and muzzle devices, who gives a shit, its called evolving or growing your brand just buy the the brand you like
its still blatant copy
I’m glad I took the time to watch this video. Now I know that I can hit the ‘do not recommend’ button and not miss out on anything.
You’re welcome
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I hit the dont recommend after i heard one of the blurrie faces casually make a remark about mowing down 3pers in one of the knowledge transfers. I dont remember what video now but it was about cqb.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ funny thing is, in the clip you showed of DJ about a min before in that video he said that they were already working on a cheek riser. Odd you didn't show that part lmao. You and every loser with no life are so obsessed with these guys that you're trying to join their beef with each other 😂😂😂 DJ has done some questionable things but this is a helluva reach.
@@cole590 👌🤣🤣👍🤣🙌
so nobody can do adaptable slings because Vicker made them before anybody else? Or tactical belts. After Ronin no one can make their belts right ? They change their minds about it, so fucking what ?
It’s not a matter of changing their minds it’s the fact that they are stealing someone’s hard work and that’s fucking bullshit.... do a little research bud....
@@gilbertsmith8520 I point you again to my argument about slings, belts and any other toy on the market. Everyone copy from someone else while trying to improve the product itself.
I get that but improving and copy/paste are two totally different things.
I would like to say that I still think the vcas is still better than 99% or other adjustable two points on the market.
@@gilbertsmith8520 perhaps but anyone under the fucking sun use the very same belts (just as example). GBRS, Ronin, Vicker, Warrior Poet, everyone use the very same belt. only different is, where the loops and hooks are. The gear we use on us or out rifle aren't really unique man, we chose the one we like better but there are 100s of clones out there.
Don't criticize gbrs they'll get you arrested
True. I’ve been arrested and jail sucks.
What is the arrested comments about?
@@tusharin1984
The cops didn’t mirandize him and will likely argue they detained and questioned James. But they put him in cuffs and ankle bracelets, drove him to the police station and interrogated him. Sounds like more of an arrest than a detainment to me.
@@tusharin1984
If you’re not up to date on the arrest and firing of their employee my latest videos are about it. Also this:
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The Civil Rights Lawyer did a way better job breaking it down than I could.
Fire anyone lately ❌💀
Just because they don't agree with cheek risers, doesn't mean it's not a valuable investment for a business. Take the personal aspect away from it, and there ya go. Stop being a troll
Exactly
It’s all about the internet fame and money. Point blank.
My piece of plastic is the best piece of plastic your money can buy!
Maybe their community wanted some more great GBRS products🤷♂️
Of course. That’s how a gear company functions. It’s the comments made within a month of the FEER being released that make them seem hypocritical.
Who cares whether he runs it or not if a customer asked for it
It was the timing of the comment, not the comment itself.
Just because DJ don’t necessarily use a riser don’t mean they can’t sell them to others that may use them
Literally EVERY company on earth does this. Get over yourself.
You're their number one glazer my guy
What’s a “glazer”?
@@Patrick_Bateman____ your just obsessed with them and keep making videos on them, your kind of helping their business aswell
So just for instance how many companies are making Binary triggers these days?
Just cuz he personally doesn’t like it doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to sell them to people who don’t.. he’s talking abt shooters preference
The AR platform has everything directly in line with the bore. Simply adding less riser to your sight would provide for a better cheek weld with an AR than some gimmicky product that catches your beard hairs anyway.
The AR needs no cheek riser for a 50mm scopr mounted up on their rails. Cheek weld on a SOPMOD stock is great for basically every sight you can have on the gun.
75 bucks for a stock cheek riser 😂
I can 3d print that about 30 cents
Bro.. just becuz Shipley don’t use it doesn’t mean he ain’t gonna sell it to make money!
Y’all take beef that nobody knows the real reason for, besides the people related to the situation, and act like it involves you. Nobody knows what actually happened between GBRS and Slade. Positions change on what people believe to be good and bad when it comes to shooting. Forever people talked shit on red dots. Now 90% of pistol videos I watch have red dots attached. Companies copy each other and make similar shit, for example like the ronin belt and the bison belt. It is what it is especially when it’s a competition to make the best product. Maybe they have a beef, maybe they don’t but who tf cares if it doesn’t involve you.
Hey hey now. Don’t bully gbrs group. If dj gets mad he just may go and cheat on his wife again 😂😂😂 dude I have a better chance at passing the bar exam without studying than this dude does at staying faithful
Well if you pass the bar maybe you can assist on James’ civil rights trial against GBRS. Or divorce attorney for DJ 🤣
@@Patrick_Bateman____ lol! Shit I could make a killing joining the firm gbrs decides to keep on retainer 😂
I’m confused. Please TLDR for those that don’t keep up with the drama of this soap opera.
Slade released a riser after leaving GBRS on bad terms. DJ says they’re a thing of the past. Then DJ starts selling risers.
I get that Slade deserves the credit for his design but there’s gonna be a million out there and we’ve been rigging our own setups for a raised cheek weld when using an elevated optic for quite some time now. It’s nothing new it’s just a topic of contention because of the money involved now.
Agreed.
Gbrs was slades company. He left and help start SCI with another sof guy.
Anyone who's all caught up in this so called drama needs to check your priorities! Capitalism is great and when more than one company makes the same product It's called competition! Competition is also great and it only benefits us, the end users by giving us more options and hopefully lower prices! Can't decide... Buy both! I'm pretty sure everyone in this comment section all has more than one carbine/rifle whatever!
Preach
Idk bro Slade charges $75 for a cheek riser that’s bullshit tbh
Competition and products existed before capitalism
I mean theyre a business. I think 10 round pmags are dumb but people want 10 round pmags. If I were the CEO of magpul I want you to buy the product from me, not someone else, despite thinking theyre dumb. If GOOONers will pay 70 bucks for a piece of plastic, they deserve it.
The cheek weld is made for the hydra mount. He literally said he didn’t use them on “precision shots”. Quit spinning BS.
Let's see Paul Allen's riser
GBRS really has made a name for themselves. Not a good one, but a name none the less. 😂
It doesn't matter if they prefer them or not, they always preach its about the end user. They are simply offering a product that has a demand for some users. Smart business to offer a product that competes with a competitor As well
Possible. Alternatively possible is they said they’re irrelevant to hurt SC Irregulars and then started making their own when they realized there was a demand. You could be right but the timeline of events make me think the latter is more likely.
I mean he’s saying you don’t need it unless just doing CQB stuff. Not that you don’t need it at all.
Is no one going to mention where blur man says he doesn’t take precision shots with a rifle? I get it that it’s not a bolt action, but when you have to use it for self defense or defense of others in the real world, and not on a flat range, you better be making precision shots with it.
Being a good operator doesn’t automatically make you a good teacher. When I was younger I was extremely lucky. I wrestled and did mma for a while and I trained at a gym where the top ten in both would regularly flow in and out. Some of the best fighters I trained with were horrible teachers and vice versa. Point being, people hear “DEVGRU” or “CAG” and assume everything that follows, no matter how ridiculous is gospel.
Customers still want products even if the company might not want to go that route initially. Trolling on this one.
You can think something is stupid and still recognize there is a market for that stupid thing. Solgw recently released chf barrels simply for that reason, and they said as much in the podcast talking about it.
The guy with the blurred face is DJ Shipley
Jealousy at its finest
DJ is speaking from experience as a SEAL. 99% of us arent SEALs and dont "operate".
For those that compete a riser just might be ideal. That's for each individual to determine. Just saying.
Personally I think it's an interesting concept; one that does not need to cost 3/4 of a Benjamin...!
The price for the product is the real crime. Also, just because one person comes out with the product first doesn’t mean that they stole it. Who know who had the idea first. Is there a patent pending or secured. I like both GBRS and Slade, but who can say who had the idea first. Could have been a joint venture. Who knows.
The most significant piece of evidence in my opinion is Slade released his riser and then DJ released a vid talking about how he didn’t like risers. If it was DJ’s idea originally he wouldn’t have said that at the time. Either it wasn’t his idea OR…. he was just being super petty talking trash on risers to hurt Slade’s business.
It’s a business. They still need to make money. If people are willing to buy one cuz they think it works for them then they’ll make the product and sell it. Doesn’t mean they need to use it. Idk that’s how I look at it 🤷♂️
Definitely getting their cheek riser now maybe instead of being resentful make your product better
It's a free country.
That is true. You win this round.
"It's a free country" mf's when they have to pay to survive: 😲😳
Whatever ways they can think of take your money. Seals turned corporate leeches. Marketing marketing marketing!
Using this logic we would all be driving Ford Model Ts. Sure glad others made their own versions of products. I like my iPhone, would sure hate to be using the first brick phone
Maybe HE doesn't need one. Slade and Dj have very different dimensions. Dj's deltoid beef is its own riser 😂
There are dozens of other companies making the same shit bro. chill.
Why do half the people in the comments have no idea what the video is even about?
Thank you. GBRS selling a riser alone wasn’t the point. I’ve got nothing against capitalism.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ Yeah man! I guess everyone who commented on your video is completely unaware of the context here. Oh well, I thought it was hilarious.
One more gadget! All marketing, not needed
He said "that's not a huge concern" however if there's a huge demand for them you might as well make and extremely good one to please the customers
GBRS is the worst man
pretty sure he was giving his own opinion but from a business standpoint there is a market for them so obviously they’re gonna sell it
You mean they made a product in hopes of selling it for money? Regardless if they use it? That never happens..
They dont think you need them, but its what everyone wants so of course they are going to take advantage of the demand. At least they openly said they dont think you need it.
Missed the point. It’s not that they’re selling them, it was the timing of the comment.
$75 for like a $0.20 piece of plastic... When you can get the same exact thing from an airsoft version for $20 and GBRS group's version is $50.. profit margins dont need to be 10000000% ffs. When are people going to wake up, im so tired of the BS prices in the firearm industry
No disagreement there. With Irregular Defense or GBRS Group.
Hey may agree with a cheek weld when running different optics for long range engagements… Regardless, he says “it is a thing of the past” in reference to “CQB” so… He admits he changed his mind which is not hypocrisy.
It’s the timing the makes it seem hypocritical. He said, “in our opinion they’re a thing of the past” less than a month after Slade teased his riser for the first time. Slade might’ve even been working on the riser while still at GBRS. Then GBRS releases their own riser.
The charitable interpretation is yours. DJ changed his mind or he just realized there was a market for them when Slade’s started selling out. The uncharitable interpretation is it was a petty jab at Slade. After all DJ did call SWAT on Slade as he was packing up his things to leave GBRS so I wouldn’t put pettiness past him.
I always hear them say it's a personal preference. So why not sell them they are a company. Just because he doesn't like them doesn't mean somebody else feels the same way. You couldn't be them so why not hate on them right.
Listen closely “in our opinion” it doesn’t mean you stop selling shit people still want.
It’s not that they’re selling it. It was the timing. DJ made this video less than a month after Slade posted the FEER for the first time. The goober boys knew Slade was already working on it while he was still at GBRS.
I’m not a fan of the GBRS (extremely) elevated mounts or this cheek riser. That said in CQB as he’s speaking on here, cheek weld is not a big deal, also as he said.
It's disappointing how many leaving comments dont understand the clear point of this video.
Thank you. It’s got almost nothing to do with the riser.
If I'm not mistaken I think his name is Bill Wilson from Wilson Combat and I've seen a video of him saying that he doesn't like extended safety levers on 1911's and doesn't really recommend them but he'll gladly sell you one. Same thing.
Coke? Pepsi? Pick your Tribe
You’ve got it all wrong fren. It’s Conke or Bepis.
Just business. Lots of people in business make shit they won’t use themselves because that’s what the market wants. I’m sure if they did use one they’d use their own. Pretty basic stuff.
I think people need to realize as well these guys are all about short action CQB which in reality if any of us Americans were going to get into a gun fight with our AR-15 it is not going to be CQB. Most gunfights are 200 to 600 yards
What if you live in an urban environment? Where’d you get the 200 to 600 yards stat?
@@Patrick_Bateman____ look down the street see how far you can see every direction.
@@calvins4084
I live in an apartment complex. There’s a bunch of hallways and end to end isn’t more than 150 yards.
Thank goodness they blurred DJ's face out.
Can we talk about the modular hand stop that Slade stole from Sig?
You mean the hand stop he stole from emissary development? Cause agreed I think that’s also bad.
They need to make patents for these things, but that process is unnecessarily long. But that's how America works.
@@mattysee24
And you can make a product 1% different and get around a patent (probably I’m not a lawyer).
GBRS is the big ghey but literally everybody makes a cheek riser. There is, however, one and only one CORRECT choice and that's the Larue RISR.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s riser…
The majority of their consumers are civilians with much less training than them. They want their customers to buy their high risers. But their main customers have issues using them because of their lack of training with high risers. Therefore they introduce a product that will help their largest customer use their new product.
I felt this on a spiritual level. First time I used the FEER it was a flustercuck. Took a while to get used to but once I had I really liked it.
Head up display? Is this Halo? What is he displaying with his head up?
Tbh man it sucks there’s drama between them. I don’t know the reason and don’t care to know because at the end of the day there on the same team and I absorb knowledge from both of them. I hope they can put there differences aside one day and keep transferring knowledge to the American citizens. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Just cause they don’t like it doesn’t mean other people won’t buy it
Missed the point.
Why is shipleys face blurred?
Dammmm they stole you guys idea
none of them run them… I don’t think a single member in GBRS runs then they do it because other and many many people like them so they can make money off of it and at the end of the day if people like that group more than any other group, they can support that group instead instead of having to support the other group or go by a company that already makes a crap ton of money.
GBRS selling a riser wasn’t the point. It was DJ saying, “in our opinion they’re a thing of the past” after Slade released his. And then GBRS released their own. It seemed more like a petty jab at Slade than capitalism. At the time DJ made that comment I don’t think he actually felt one way or another about risers.
@@Patrick_Bateman____ idrc🤷🏽 never watch the other dude, dont care for dj or them much but they do a lot wirh civs now. i was just saying none of them run it, so again GBRS as a buisness is going to sell them when there popular. its a business not a person. ik they have “beef” there operators lol.
Does this riser help with the tactical chicken wing