Console wars were declared in my house growing up - I had the Nintendo systems (NES/SNES) and my younger brother had the Sega Genesis. We were always unplugging each others’ consoles from the TV in the lounge room! 😆
So many people fail to understand that speed is the reward for playing well. A good trick is to take your time to just learn a bit of the level's layout. After some practice you can do some crazy stuff because you know what's coming. Granted, I do think that Sonic games in general just naturally play so differently from other platformers so if you can't basically throw any preconceptions out the window then you're gonna have a bad time Lol This has been a wild week. Glad to see you two are enjoying the series for the most part. And congrats on 50 episodes!
I agree. It isn’t like Mario where you beat the level once and you’ve perfected it. Sonic encourages players to master the physics and replay levels so you get better and better
The entire "Sonic is all about speed" mentality definitely poisoned the outlook on the games. Ther are set pieces in the zones deaigned to allow Sonic to go fast for a bit (the big downward slope tube in Chemical Plant, for example), but the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY is based on momentum and platforming. You REALLY are meant to stop, look, think about the terrain, and explore, learn the maps and find secrets. (Secrets being more important in CD and S3&K, but still important for collecting rings, which are required for accessing the chaos emerald and bonus stages). Anyone who doesn't understand classic Sonic games needs to give them another try, but focus on trying to collect the emeralds and explore, and stop treating it like "speedrunning: the game". The main thing about the speed running aspect is that you have to KNOW THE MAPS first, you can't just start the game and expect to "less than 30 seconds" clear every act. Sonic games AFTER Adventure 2 are an entirely different mindeset. Those are basically "quick time events without prompts...most of the time." They're about chaining the right actions together in the slickest, most Sonic stylish way possible to earn high scores and take shortcuts. Speed is a factor, but you can't get them S ranks without practicing the right routes and the moves you need to do and when to take them. Classoc Sonic has high, middle and low routes, with a lot of criss crossing. High route is low enemy, precarious platforming (easy to fall from), high rewards (many item boxes and ring hoardes). Middle route is the "speed runners straight line", more enemies, less items, but still requires some platforming to keep momentum. Low route is the slow-you-down high enemy, more obstacles, some rewards, but those are more "stay alive" items like shields than they will be lives or rings in high numbers. Kit, I implore you to try hunkering down and do a 100% run (get all emeralds) of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Try playing as Tails specifically, or at least Sonic AND Tails (use controller 2 to control Tails, or rather, have him help you find secrets) and see how you feel by the end, after getting the true ending. I favor Sonic 2 and CD myself, and you could do Mania instead of 3&K, but I think 3&K has the best chance of showing you what Classic Sonic games are REALLY about.
My poor little heart can’t take it. As silly as it is, Kingdom Hearts makes me emotional. Not just for nostalgia but because there are some very deep themes beneath the tangled mess of story and plot. Also Hikaru Utadas music hits me in the feels
I had a nice ego boost when Katie said exactly what I've been thinking about Sonic level design: the thing about how the different paths are to let you play again to explore, rather than visit every spot on the level on the first try
the Master System was an impressive console. some versions came with a couple games built in to the system, and it was able to do stereoscopic 3D games that actually worked
Also Sonic for the Master System came out _after_ the 16bit Mega Drive version. So you can kinda count it like an "official demake" of the game (and also they're very different games, with different levels)! =P
It's amazing that throughout this Sonic journey, Kit realizes that his lasting feud with Sonic really just boiled down to being targeted by aggressive 90's advertising. Maybe someday they'll make up, just like how Nintendo and Sega became real chummy as soon as it became apparent Sonic sells best on Nintendo systems, and now Mario and Sonic themselves are pals. 14:25 The Master System is not another name for the Genesis (that would be Mega Drive), but rather Sega's 8-bit predecessor to the Genesis. A separate version of Sonic 1, and later Sonic 2, was made for the Master System and Game Gear (basically a portable Master System that was Sega's Game Boy competitor). Confusingly enough, these two games are totally distinct from the Genesis games you played. Fun Fact: 8-bit Sonic 2's slightly early release means Tails technically debuted there, with the plot of the game being to rescue him from Eggman. If you don't collect every Chaos Emerald, you fail to save him, with Tails's image in the stars leading to the meme that Tails dies in the bad ending. "Tails dies" also happens to be former PR guy Aaron Webber's go-to joke answer when people would ask for story details of an upcoming Sonic game. 16:06 Your pronunciations are correct: Chao is "chow", the _Chaos_ in _Chaos Emerald_ is just the English word. You're actually on the mark connecting the Chao to the Chaos Emeralds; the plot of Sonic Adventure demonstrates their ties to each other and Chaos, the water monster. 2:04:18 Uh oh, Kit just suggested adding a run button to a Sonic game, which for some reason is treated like a cardinal sin by diehard fans. Sonic Lost World has a run button and actually had some Nintendo devs on board, just like the hypothetical SNES Nintendo-made Sonic game. Sonic Frontiers might as well have a run button due to how the boost was reworked there. 2:05:23 Despite the loops and what older Western-made adaptations might tell you, the Sonic games have always taken place on Earth, albeit a more fantastical version of Earth with fictional countries. This was actually addressed in a "TailsTube" Q&A not that long ago, where it's stated that for the most part, humans like Eggman are from the mainland, while Sonic and other anthropomorphic animals hail from islands. Though there was an odd period where current Sonic head Takashi Iizuka would say in interviews that Earth and "Sonic's world" were separate and that each game takes place in one or the other (while offering no hints as to how Sonic or Eggman travels to the other's world), though none of this ever came up in the games and was discarded by the time the TailsTube vid came out. 2:20:29 "What happens when you get the Chaos Emeralds?" Whatever the plot needs to happen. The usual result of Sonic and friends getting all seven is going into a temporary super form that's fast, strong, and can fly. Eggman typically uses the Emeralds to power some crazy powerful machine. Then there's vague "chaos energy" from the Emeralds that is used to do things like handwave things like Shadow's abilities to teleport and shoot energy blasts.
3:15 Actually hedgehogs _can_ swim, just not Sonic. ^^ The designers back then assumed that hedgehogs couldn't swim, which led to Sonic not being able to! =P It's cool that you have a "hangout episode" with Katie! She's the coolest! =D
If you wanna hear some Sonic music more in your wheelhouse, you should look into the Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games remixes! The SEGA’s music team did a ton of remixes of old Mario themes, if you wanna hear their takes on music you recognize! Highly underrated soundtrack.
Props to Katie for appearing and getting you to spill the beans about your Sonic story and her brief appearance at the previous night's Sonic Frontiers stream as the Official Sonic account lol
Sonic the Hedgehog on the 8-bit Sega Master System is actually a completely different game from the Sega Genesis (or Mega Drive elsewhere) release! Sonic the Hedgehog on Sega Master System was developed by Ancient, which is a company founded by the famous composer Yuzo Koshiro. It's crazy to think that the guy who composed for the Streets of Rage games also created the 8-bit version of Sonic!
The reason why Sonic can't swim is because the creators mistakenly thought hedgehogs couldn't swim irl, but found out it wasn't true. They already had the trait established, so it just stuck and has led to the underwater mechanics you saw in Chemical Plant, though the first water level was Labyrinth Zone in Sonic 1. To survive under water Sonic has to inhale air bubbles that spawn in certain locations and appear in intervals. In Sonic 3&Knuckles and Sonic Mania you can get a bubble shield that allows you to breathe underwater indefinitely, or if you unlock Hyper Sonic by getting all 7 Chaos Emeralds and Super Emeralds (Hyper Sonic is not in Sonic Mania)
Regardless of how everyone seems to rag* on it, Super Mario Brothers with John Leguizamo is my favorite video game movie followed by the original Mortal Kombat.
So glad to hear the storybook games get some love in the interview! The motion controls make for a steep learning curve from what I’ve heard but they were a really fun take on the Sonic 3D style by making it fully in rails but still having the challenging multiple paths. Black Knight had a pretty awesome (sometimes cheesy) story too with its twists and turns. Merlina’s musical theme was amazing!
I feel like the key aspect Kit is missing is replay-ability. He seems to focus more on the classic, 2D styles games for his criticism, and a lot of those were Taylor made with replay ability in mind, especially considering that this was a day and age where you rented a game from a store for a week and you either had to face some nonsensical puzzle that would take days to solve or were done with it and there was nothing new you could do. The branching pathways of the 2D games added difficulty tiers and new ways to play, all the while encouraging faster times.
This Sonic Week was actually quite fun! This wasn't a deep dive into anything, but a fun little surface introductory look, and I'm glad you both found Sonic games that you've enjoyed and spent a bit more time on!
2:15:38 That was Sonic Lost World, and pretty much nobody liked it. There's not really much of a point to walking so pretty much everyone just holds down the run button.
Since you inquired about the Aladdin/Robin Williams controversy, what happened there was that Robin Williams (who for context was already at a massive level of stardom in his career) actually didn't want to be credited in the marketing for the movie! He had other projects he was more invested in that he wanted to not take away from, and as a favor to the production company after his success with Good Morning, Vietnam! he only was working for the union voice actor rate instead of his normal asking fee (75,000 via SAG rates at the time vs Williams's $8 million) and he wanted his characters to not have highest billing on things like the poster and other marketing materials. Disney walked back and violated what Williams had asked for, even going so far as to use Williams' Genie recordings in ads for the movie and fast-food tie-ins and such, causing a huge rift between Disney and Williams that would only be resolved half a decade later when the new Disney Studios chairman had a public formal apology to Williams, which got Williams back to voice the Genie in the 3rd Aladdin movie (after he refused to work on Aladdin 2 and got replaced with Dan Castellaneta of Homer Simpson fame) The Michael Jackson involvement with Sonic 3 was speculation for decades in the video game music community but actually got definitive closure in 2022. Brad Buxer (Jackson's tour director and also often compositional collaborator) confirmed that Jackson had contracted a team composed of Buxer and a few others to compose music for the game, and this was corroborated by Sonic's former father-now-felon Yuji Naka who confirmed this in early 2022 when the Sonic Origins remaster was announced to not use the Jackson tracks. This task was delegated to them to work on Jackson's behalf, and as such Jackson barely directly contributed to the resulting songs (with most speculation from Buxer and the rest of the team indicating he maybe worked on 1 of the 41 songs). A common citation of why Jackson didn't get more involved and hid his involvement with the soundtrack was that Jackson was "disappointed by how poorly the Genesis sound card captured Some of the songs that we know got used in the game are Ice Cap Zone's theme, which has its roots in a then-unreleased song from Buxer's own band, The Jetzons, which has since been released so you can really observe the similarities. You actually wouldn't hear any of these songs in the Sonic Origins rerelease of Sonic 3 as that version replaces the songs from the Jackson/Buxer collab with original demos that Sega had originally composed before the Jackson collab was finalized and had previously only existed on a PC port of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Despite the positive critical and fan reception of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, the game saw extremely few rereleases compared to other Sonic legacy titles, and the speculation seemed to be that it is this rights issue with the music was the cause (not all too dissimilar from the sparse rereleases of EarthBound)
I'm the same as Kit, I never really played or liked any Sonic games growing up (I've always been a huge Mario fan). But I think I'm going to give Sonic another shot! :) Also, Katie is super cool and nice. Great episode, Kit and Krysta!
Quick Clarification: The Sega Master System was SEGA's mid-to-late '80s 8-bit console, available alongside the NES. SEGA's Game Boy competitor, the Game Gear, was essentially a portable version of this. Outside of North America, the Genesis was called the Mega Drive.
On the Master System/Game Gear Sonic games: Due to the systems not quite being able to present the same kind of visual spectacle the Genesis games did, the Sonic games for those systems leaned more on the platforming. Especially in Europe where the Master System was bigger than the NES, you have a whole group of players who identify that as the Sonic style rather than the 16-bit Sonic 1/2/3&K's speed-focused gameplay. Since I know not getting to stop and smell the super-saturated flowers of Green Hill was a sticking point for Kit, he may want to look into those Master System games.
I think y'all might get a kick out of Sonic Lost World on the Wii U. It's very Nintendo inspired. The controls take some getting used to. But, Sonic does finally have a run button, which is nice! I personally love this game, even though hating it is a meme. #3 on my top 5 Sonic games.
I have listened 99% of all the podcasts and this one is easily the funniest. Between the Bunny and Seagull discourse, and the godfather date, there were some truly incredible moments. The best part of this is that I don’t even like sonic personally but still loved the video!
I think I can sorta understand Kit's hang-up on the gameplay of these original 2D Sonic games... even though I grew up with them and enjoyed them... Kit's understanding of platformers traditionally allows for a more methodical and exploratory type of gameplay. Not just racing from one end of the stage to the other to complete as fast as possible like a racing to the finish line kinda game. That's what made Sonic so unique... you have to adopt to this speed mechanic to finish a level fast, platform with multiple levels and paths to get to the end, avoid enemies and hazards... and replayability. If you base you entire understanding of how platformers work in the Mario vein, yes you may have trouble understanding the Sonic approach... the speed is not a gimmick, it adds a level of challenge and sensation intensity for people who want or don't mind the things moving quickly on screen... not everybody enjoys that style of gameplay but some do. THInk of it this way... Sega is known to be basically one of the Rulers of Arcade... Sonic in many ways is like taking the super craziness of arcade games combined with platforming... it's quite an innovative idea.
Going fast in the classic games isn't the main goal; it's the reward for mastery of the physics and level design! Sonic 1 was designed trying to capitalize on the sensation of playing through 1-1 in SMB over and over again, getting faster and faster at it. Your first couple of playthroughs of a classic Sonic game should be played like Mario games, carefully and precise. Later on, you'll fly by! Newer Sonic games have become more about going fast from the start (the boost button). A lot of this probably had to do with leaning into various marketing things, like blast processing, the "Gotta Go Fast" song from the anime, ect. Understandably, not everyone wants to replay a game over and over again to get the speed the marketing promised. Just my perspective!
Suggestion for the next video game series to examine - Mega Man. I was trying to think of something that’s been around for a while but doesn’t receive the same attention as a marquee series such as Mario. I think Mega Man could fit that role.
Wish you guys had found a way to include and play Sonic 3D Blast. I remember being _so_ incredibly impressed at how it was 3D, and I had a lot of fun with it.
It's strange watching them interact with someone who they know isn't allowed to express any negative opinions about their franchise. Especially given that they used to be in a similar position themselves.
Katie seems really cool. I remember how bummed I was when Aaron Webber announced that he was switching roles but Katie’s done great work with the socials. I’m so glad that you’ve both been enjoying Sonic music. Keep going down the Sonic music rabbit hole. I hope I’m your research, that you didn’t overlook Sonic Heroes. The soundtrack is phenomenal. I too was worried about Fire Emblem being too light in content but I’ve really appreciated how streamlined it is. The extra focus on the combat has been nice.
I say Mario keeping maximum popularity is heavily because the general simplicity and easy sell of the character and world. Sonic is extreme, convoluted, and generally boldly does out there concepts which can turn some people away and sometimes doesn't have general appeal. But honestly that's one of the reasons i like Sonic best. Sonic's exploits and adventures are easily some of the most varied and crazy in all of gaming. If not the most.
I can hardly believe I didn't think of this till now, but you two totally should have reacted to Archie Comics run of Sonic The Hedgehog Mega Man: Worlds Collide. It was an epic crossover that was a blast to read!
I've lived in Cinci for 25 years. Blue ash chilli is pretty good. What's weird is I've eaten goat curry and it tastes similar to skyline. Makes me wonder what the secret recipe really is..
So... Kit was a fanboy who just never grew out of it. I admit, that's a tad disappointing; was hoping for a dramatic, Dr. Doofenshmirtz style reveal, as opposed to "the ads turned me off as a kid". Oh well.
He also just doesn't click with the gameplay style of those 2D Sonic games... the emphasis on speed over exploration and platforming... noticed he was jiving a bit more with the 3D games because there is more dimensions to explore than just speeding to the right to complete a goal like a demented racing gaming
@@MedalionDS9 I call that taking the advertising too seriously; classic 2D Sonic slows down a lot more than you think, and while speedruns can make the game look crazy fast, you spend a lot of time jumping platforms, solving puzzles, or finding secrets. "The games are all about speed" was a marketing gimmick that didn't really become true until Rush (which suffered from it as a result since the small screens couldn't handle it).
@@MicaiahBaron You don't have to tell me, I played and enjoyed the 2D sonic games back in the day... you needed to convince young Kit back in the day. The difference was that although I was sorta a Nintendo fanboy back in the day as well is that I still was curious enough to buy a Genesis JUST so I could play this much hyped Sonic series, and glad I did... it was quite eye opening.
You know, while it was never enough to turn me off of Sonic, I do remember the competitiveness between Nintendo and Sega getting under my skin a bit as a kid. Really glad there were no ads of Mario breaking Sonic's legs and then teabagging him.
Huh. So Kit doesn't like the Olympic Games featuring Mario and Sonic. Funny; it was the London edition that played a part in helping my get into more Sonic games. I like to see Amy as a counterpart to Peach, Knuckles to Yoshi, Donkey Kong to Vector, and Shadow to Wario, but otherwise, I can understand a disappointment for the Mario and Sonic crossover to not be a proper adventure or RPG. Sonic's appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl came right before I made the Sonic series one of my favorites. I was sold on the Blue Blur joining the battle and enjoyed playing as him. Sure, he uses a lot of Spin Dashes, but I wasn't bothered. He's gotten stronger in following Smash games... It is interesting to hear you guys' thoughts on Sonic.
Probably going to repeat something that someone else said, but you guys seemed a bit held up on the 2D Sonic games having large levels. Which going to be honest aren't big for exploration per se, Sonic levels are typically large due to having multiple paths you can take to get to the end, usually with the top path being the fastest while also being the hardest to stay on. This suppose to promote replayability in finding new paths and improving on your time as you learn the level. But they are also large due to the nature of his speed, when you know how these levels from front to back, you can complete them in sometimes as little at 30 seconds or shorter. At least with a first time playing a typical stage will last your more to 3 to 4 minutes, but as I said the older 2D games promote replayability to learn the level and improve your time on these levels.
Finally, the episode I've been waiting for!! Surprised to hear Kit was traumatized by the marketing for Sonic and not Sonic itself lol. It was so cool to see Katie from the Sonic socials as a guest on the show! Also, I LOVE Krista's shirt with all the Sonic characters, where cna I get that shirt?!?
Happy belated 50th episode, YAhoo~ Most of the game advertising in the 90s was icky to me, although I'm just young enough that I wasn't aware of a lot of it and went to youtube when that became a thing to discover them. But the Nintendo vs Sega was so guns blazing that even I knew about it, and I was very firmly Team Nintendo lmao. Sonic himself didn't bother me-- I was the kind of kid who imagined fictional characters having thoughts and feelings without even thinking about it, so my brain was like "he doesn't seem mean enough to agree with this kind of thing" lmaoooo. nah, even at that age it was just the extreme dude-broish aggression and loudness that set my soon-to-be gamer girl teeth on edge more than anything. The talk with Katie was super interesting! Plus I'm always here for featuring more women in gaming whenever possible, reasons irrelevant, so kudos to y'all on that :D
I absolutely loved this interview with Katie, she was such a saint! Chao Garden was so fun, all my Chao went to heaven and when I tell you Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was my game, ugh I loved it soooo much! My favorite tracks were Aquatic Mine and Meteor Herd. Y'all those Sonic Memes are HILAR but Captian Alex shared that meme that almost made me gag, I NEVER want to see that Sonic Meme ever again. My named the hedgehog was pretty cool. Congrats on 50 K and 50 episodes! Soooo just to say, Sonic becomes Super Sonic which is similar to Saiyan hahaha but we call him Super Sonic. Also Amy is a hedgehog. The meme of spicy Sonic is disturbing. I have not watched TLOU on HBO but I knew it was good because NPR is talking about it. I planned on not watching it because I LOVE the game and I don't want to be disappointed. I believe the Switch has enough to continue until the end of 2024 but I hope by 2025 we get a new Nintendo console. I am today years old realizing that Brawl was before your employments at Nintendo hahaha because I was curious about the reaction as employees with Sonic joining Brawl too. I guess it came out in 2008 and you two started in 2009 and 2010? I remember the rumor that Brawl would be the final Smash game hahahaha. Krysta had me laughing when she said we don't need an equivalent to Waluigi in Sonic! I think the success of the console is what brought Mario so much success over Sonic didn't have a console home much like Krysta was saying and sonic shifted consoles too. Sometimes I was able to play Sonic and other times I wasn't because I didn't have an Xbox or Playstation to play, I think this inconsistency hindered Sonic from keeping life long fans.
Congratulations on making it to episode 50🎉, Kit and Krysta: I am glad you are finally opening up about your past with Sonic, Kit; talking is the first step to healing 🤗 Also I am glad you guys did Sonic week, and I hope it changed your opinion about my favorite franchise ☺️
OMG Kit you don't know DBZ??? You guys NEED to play DBZ Kakarot, like, it's not an amazing open-world game, but it is pretty good, but Kit you're gonna love the story and the characters. Is like a simple but badass story with no bullshit.
Master System and Genesis are two completely different consoles. The Master System and GameGear had a completely different 8bit Sonic the Hedgehog game from the Genesis 16bit version. #BridgeZoneSupremacy!
Kinda harsh on the bunny allocation there, Kit! There's a bunny character from the Fleetway Sonic comics that was actually pretty cool. Might be biased though, we didn't get the Archie comics over here in the UK until much later.
Sega was very competitive, I even saw an Interview with a dev or executive talking about the creation of the mega drive. The tought process was that it needed to be better than super nintendo, and what is better than super? Mega!
I've played Sonic game for the very beginning and have always felt there is an odd disconnect between focus on speed while the levels themselves are designed for exploration and even force players to stop and tread carefully multiple times. The two don't mesh well. In more recent years, the focus on speed has won out more than not. I have not yet played Frontiers, but judging from your stream it appears the balance between the two modes of gaming are the most in balance there ever been.
Sonic week has been so fun!! I do hope you guys go back and play more of Sonic Adventure 1&2, and Generations. I did laugh a little when Paper Mario was brought up, but because it's so true. Would you rather be forced to play Sonic 06 or Paper Mario Sticker Star in it's entirety.... Well, as someone who owned both, I would say Sonic 06, because as much of a glitchfest/loading screen fest game as that is, at least the core gameplay ideas were good. (They just sort of flopped the implementation) Meanwhile you can't really polish Sticker Star, it would require a complete overhaul of it's core gameplay mechanics. So far, from a gameplay perspective, I think Fire Emblem Engage has been so much better than Three Houses. The core of the series are the battles and the funny writing from intelligent systems, and both of those elements shine much better than Three Houses. It's sort of a return to something like fates as far as gameplay in battle goes which is absolutely my preferred style.
I dont usually agree with kit. But hes right about the sega adverts back in the 90s. Nintendo was all about those games but sega was all about saying they were better then Nintendo.
The game is definitely trying to be more humorous. It's like classic GBA FE. It's very cartoony and fairly linear, which this game feels like it's embracing.
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The mystery about Kit and Sonic has finally been revealed!… but now it’s time to start investigations into the great Krysta Enigma
Console wars were declared in my house growing up - I had the Nintendo systems (NES/SNES) and my younger brother had the Sega Genesis. We were always unplugging each others’ consoles from the TV in the lounge room! 😆
So many people fail to understand that speed is the reward for playing well. A good trick is to take your time to just learn a bit of the level's layout. After some practice you can do some crazy stuff because you know what's coming. Granted, I do think that Sonic games in general just naturally play so differently from other platformers so if you can't basically throw any preconceptions out the window then you're gonna have a bad time Lol
This has been a wild week. Glad to see you two are enjoying the series for the most part. And congrats on 50 episodes!
I agree. It isn’t like Mario where you beat the level once and you’ve perfected it.
Sonic encourages players to master the physics and replay levels so you get better and better
The entire "Sonic is all about speed" mentality definitely poisoned the outlook on the games.
Ther are set pieces in the zones deaigned to allow Sonic to go fast for a bit (the big downward slope tube in Chemical Plant, for example), but the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY is based on momentum and platforming.
You REALLY are meant to stop, look, think about the terrain, and explore, learn the maps and find secrets.
(Secrets being more important in CD and S3&K, but still important for collecting rings, which are required for accessing the chaos emerald and bonus stages).
Anyone who doesn't understand classic Sonic games needs to give them another try, but focus on trying to collect the emeralds and explore, and stop treating it like "speedrunning: the game".
The main thing about the speed running aspect is that you have to KNOW THE MAPS first, you can't just start the game and expect to "less than 30 seconds" clear every act.
Sonic games AFTER Adventure 2 are an entirely different mindeset.
Those are basically "quick time events without prompts...most of the time."
They're about chaining the right actions together in the slickest, most Sonic stylish way possible to earn high scores and take shortcuts.
Speed is a factor, but you can't get them S ranks without practicing the right routes and the moves you need to do and when to take them.
Classoc Sonic has high, middle and low routes, with a lot of criss crossing.
High route is low enemy, precarious platforming (easy to fall from), high rewards (many item boxes and ring hoardes).
Middle route is the "speed runners straight line", more enemies, less items, but still requires some platforming to keep momentum.
Low route is the slow-you-down high enemy, more obstacles, some rewards, but those are more "stay alive" items like shields than they will be lives or rings in high numbers.
Kit, I implore you to try hunkering down and do a 100% run (get all emeralds) of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Try playing as Tails specifically, or at least Sonic AND Tails (use controller 2 to control Tails, or rather, have him help you find secrets) and see how you feel by the end, after getting the true ending.
I favor Sonic 2 and CD myself, and you could do Mania instead of 3&K, but I think 3&K has the best chance of showing you what Classic Sonic games are REALLY about.
I vote for a Kingdom Hearts Week as the next milestone goal. I think it would be a good equivalent to Sonic Week for Krysta.
Hell yea I wouild like that! The problem is that they can't simply quickly test each game like they did with Sonic, given the nature of JRPGs.
Make it happen!
Omg yes pls!!
Seconded! they need be enlightened lol
My poor little heart can’t take it. As silly as it is, Kingdom Hearts makes me emotional. Not just for nostalgia but because there are some very deep themes beneath the tangled mess of story and plot. Also Hikaru Utadas music hits me in the feels
Ahhhh... Nintendo Fanboy Kit was pissed at Genesis Does What Nintendont, and Sonic was the mascot for Sega at the time... makes PERFECT SENSE
Sonic is still Sega's mascot
@@Vaffle_1231 True, but Sega isn't its own gaming ecosystem anymore
I had a nice ego boost when Katie said exactly what I've been thinking about Sonic level design: the thing about how the different paths are to let you play again to explore, rather than visit every spot on the level on the first try
I feel like the Master System was the NES generation equivalent. Then the Genesis was called Mega Drive outside of the US.
Yep this is it, I remember the Mega Drive was the next big thing after the Master System here.
the Master System was an impressive console. some versions came with a couple games built in to the system, and it was able to do stereoscopic 3D games that actually worked
Also Sonic for the Master System came out _after_ the 16bit Mega Drive version. So you can kinda count it like an "official demake" of the game (and also they're very different games, with different levels)! =P
It's amazing that throughout this Sonic journey, Kit realizes that his lasting feud with Sonic really just boiled down to being targeted by aggressive 90's advertising. Maybe someday they'll make up, just like how Nintendo and Sega became real chummy as soon as it became apparent Sonic sells best on Nintendo systems, and now Mario and Sonic themselves are pals.
14:25 The Master System is not another name for the Genesis (that would be Mega Drive), but rather Sega's 8-bit predecessor to the Genesis. A separate version of Sonic 1, and later Sonic 2, was made for the Master System and Game Gear (basically a portable Master System that was Sega's Game Boy competitor). Confusingly enough, these two games are totally distinct from the Genesis games you played. Fun Fact: 8-bit Sonic 2's slightly early release means Tails technically debuted there, with the plot of the game being to rescue him from Eggman. If you don't collect every Chaos Emerald, you fail to save him, with Tails's image in the stars leading to the meme that Tails dies in the bad ending. "Tails dies" also happens to be former PR guy Aaron Webber's go-to joke answer when people would ask for story details of an upcoming Sonic game.
16:06 Your pronunciations are correct: Chao is "chow", the _Chaos_ in _Chaos Emerald_ is just the English word. You're actually on the mark connecting the Chao to the Chaos Emeralds; the plot of Sonic Adventure demonstrates their ties to each other and Chaos, the water monster.
2:04:18 Uh oh, Kit just suggested adding a run button to a Sonic game, which for some reason is treated like a cardinal sin by diehard fans. Sonic Lost World has a run button and actually had some Nintendo devs on board, just like the hypothetical SNES Nintendo-made Sonic game. Sonic Frontiers might as well have a run button due to how the boost was reworked there.
2:05:23 Despite the loops and what older Western-made adaptations might tell you, the Sonic games have always taken place on Earth, albeit a more fantastical version of Earth with fictional countries. This was actually addressed in a "TailsTube" Q&A not that long ago, where it's stated that for the most part, humans like Eggman are from the mainland, while Sonic and other anthropomorphic animals hail from islands. Though there was an odd period where current Sonic head Takashi Iizuka would say in interviews that Earth and "Sonic's world" were separate and that each game takes place in one or the other (while offering no hints as to how Sonic or Eggman travels to the other's world), though none of this ever came up in the games and was discarded by the time the TailsTube vid came out.
2:20:29 "What happens when you get the Chaos Emeralds?" Whatever the plot needs to happen. The usual result of Sonic and friends getting all seven is going into a temporary super form that's fast, strong, and can fly. Eggman typically uses the Emeralds to power some crazy powerful machine. Then there's vague "chaos energy" from the Emeralds that is used to do things like handwave things like Shadow's abilities to teleport and shoot energy blasts.
The thing that Kit talked about having a run/sprint button was interesting, because that's literally what Sonic Lost World was.
I can’t believe that it’s the 50 episodes. 🎉🎉🎉
The comeback slogan would be "Are you a hero or a Genesissy?"
3:15 Actually hedgehogs _can_ swim, just not Sonic. ^^
The designers back then assumed that hedgehogs couldn't swim, which led to Sonic not being able to! =P
It's cool that you have a "hangout episode" with Katie! She's the coolest! =D
If you wanna hear some Sonic music more in your wheelhouse, you should look into the Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games remixes! The SEGA’s music team did a ton of remixes of old Mario themes, if you wanna hear their takes on music you recognize! Highly underrated soundtrack.
Thank you for risking your hearts and minds by actively seeking Sonic The Hedgehog memes.
"this kid was getting bullied. Then he got a genesis and became the bully himself"
lol, 90's ads were crazy
Kit out here offhandedly predicting the entirety of sa1 and 2 lore lol
Props to Katie for appearing and getting you to spill the beans about your Sonic story and her brief appearance at the previous night's Sonic Frontiers stream as the Official Sonic account lol
Sonic the Hedgehog on the 8-bit Sega Master System is actually a completely different game from the Sega Genesis (or Mega Drive elsewhere) release! Sonic the Hedgehog on Sega Master System was developed by Ancient, which is a company founded by the famous composer Yuzo Koshiro. It's crazy to think that the guy who composed for the Streets of Rage games also created the 8-bit version of Sonic!
The reason why Sonic can't swim is because the creators mistakenly thought hedgehogs couldn't swim irl, but found out it wasn't true. They already had the trait established, so it just stuck and has led to the underwater mechanics you saw in Chemical Plant, though the first water level was Labyrinth Zone in Sonic 1. To survive under water Sonic has to inhale air bubbles that spawn in certain locations and appear in intervals. In Sonic 3&Knuckles and Sonic Mania you can get a bubble shield that allows you to breathe underwater indefinitely, or if you unlock Hyper Sonic by getting all 7 Chaos Emeralds and Super Emeralds (Hyper Sonic is not in Sonic Mania)
The bully ad Kit is talking about was centered around Streets of Rage 2. The game was bundled with the Genesis at the time.
Officially best video game podcast, def need more themed weeks!
Regardless of how everyone seems to rag* on it, Super Mario Brothers with John Leguizamo is my favorite video game movie followed by the original Mortal Kombat.
I would personally love to see more mascot platformer weeks. Specifically, a Mega Man Week or a Donkey Kong Week.
So glad to hear the storybook games get some love in the interview! The motion controls make for a steep learning curve from what I’ve heard but they were a really fun take on the Sonic 3D style by making it fully in rails but still having the challenging multiple paths. Black Knight had a pretty awesome (sometimes cheesy) story too with its twists and turns. Merlina’s musical theme was amazing!
1:10:17 I believe I teared up during that scene… That scene was in the trailer so when it came in the movie I wasn’t expecting it to be so sad!
Nintendo had "Get N or get out" as an ad slogan for a while in the 90s
I feel like the key aspect Kit is missing is replay-ability. He seems to focus more on the classic, 2D styles games for his criticism, and a lot of those were Taylor made with replay ability in mind, especially considering that this was a day and age where you rented a game from a store for a week and you either had to face some nonsensical puzzle that would take days to solve or were done with it and there was nothing new you could do. The branching pathways of the 2D games added difficulty tiers and new ways to play, all the while encouraging faster times.
Of course he doesn’t get it, this man held onto a stupid grudge over nothing but for bs reasons.
This Sonic Week was actually quite fun! This wasn't a deep dive into anything, but a fun little surface introductory look, and I'm glad you both found Sonic games that you've enjoyed and spent a bit more time on!
2:15:38 That was Sonic Lost World, and pretty much nobody liked it. There's not really much of a point to walking so pretty much everyone just holds down the run button.
Since you inquired about the Aladdin/Robin Williams controversy, what happened there was that Robin Williams (who for context was already at a massive level of stardom in his career) actually didn't want to be credited in the marketing for the movie! He had other projects he was more invested in that he wanted to not take away from, and as a favor to the production company after his success with Good Morning, Vietnam! he only was working for the union voice actor rate instead of his normal asking fee (75,000 via SAG rates at the time vs Williams's $8 million) and he wanted his characters to not have highest billing on things like the poster and other marketing materials. Disney walked back and violated what Williams had asked for, even going so far as to use Williams' Genie recordings in ads for the movie and fast-food tie-ins and such, causing a huge rift between Disney and Williams that would only be resolved half a decade later when the new Disney Studios chairman had a public formal apology to Williams, which got Williams back to voice the Genie in the 3rd Aladdin movie (after he refused to work on Aladdin 2 and got replaced with Dan Castellaneta of Homer Simpson fame)
The Michael Jackson involvement with Sonic 3 was speculation for decades in the video game music community but actually got definitive closure in 2022. Brad Buxer (Jackson's tour director and also often compositional collaborator) confirmed that Jackson had contracted a team composed of Buxer and a few others to compose music for the game, and this was corroborated by Sonic's former father-now-felon Yuji Naka who confirmed this in early 2022 when the Sonic Origins remaster was announced to not use the Jackson tracks. This task was delegated to them to work on Jackson's behalf, and as such Jackson barely directly contributed to the resulting songs (with most speculation from Buxer and the rest of the team indicating he maybe worked on 1 of the 41 songs). A common citation of why Jackson didn't get more involved and hid his involvement with the soundtrack was that Jackson was "disappointed by how poorly the Genesis sound card captured Some of the songs that we know got used in the game are Ice Cap Zone's theme, which has its roots in a then-unreleased song from Buxer's own band, The Jetzons, which has since been released so you can really observe the similarities. You actually wouldn't hear any of these songs in the Sonic Origins rerelease of Sonic 3 as that version replaces the songs from the Jackson/Buxer collab with original demos that Sega had originally composed before the Jackson collab was finalized and had previously only existed on a PC port of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Despite the positive critical and fan reception of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, the game saw extremely few rereleases compared to other Sonic legacy titles, and the speculation seemed to be that it is this rights issue with the music was the cause (not all too dissimilar from the sparse rereleases of EarthBound)
Happy 50 episodes Kit and Krysta. You're both looking good for 50 :D
I'm the same as Kit, I never really played or liked any Sonic games growing up (I've always been a huge Mario fan). But I think I'm going to give Sonic another shot! :) Also, Katie is super cool and nice. Great episode, Kit and Krysta!
FINALLY. Ever since I heard about the trauma I needed to know why!
Very interesting Sonic themed podcast!
And congratulations for the 50 episodes!!!
Quick Clarification: The Sega Master System was SEGA's mid-to-late '80s 8-bit console, available alongside the NES. SEGA's Game Boy competitor, the Game Gear, was essentially a portable version of this.
Outside of North America, the Genesis was called the Mega Drive.
On the Master System/Game Gear Sonic games: Due to the systems not quite being able to present the same kind of visual spectacle the Genesis games did, the Sonic games for those systems leaned more on the platforming. Especially in Europe where the Master System was bigger than the NES, you have a whole group of players who identify that as the Sonic style rather than the 16-bit Sonic 1/2/3&K's speed-focused gameplay.
Since I know not getting to stop and smell the super-saturated flowers of Green Hill was a sticking point for Kit, he may want to look into those Master System games.
I think y'all might get a kick out of Sonic Lost World on the Wii U. It's very Nintendo inspired. The controls take some getting used to. But, Sonic does finally have a run button, which is nice! I personally love this game, even though hating it is a meme. #3 on my top 5 Sonic games.
I have listened 99% of all the podcasts and this one is easily the funniest. Between the Bunny and Seagull discourse, and the godfather date, there were some truly incredible moments. The best part of this is that I don’t even like sonic personally but still loved the video!
I think I can sorta understand Kit's hang-up on the gameplay of these original 2D Sonic games... even though I grew up with them and enjoyed them... Kit's understanding of platformers traditionally allows for a more methodical and exploratory type of gameplay. Not just racing from one end of the stage to the other to complete as fast as possible like a racing to the finish line kinda game. That's what made Sonic so unique... you have to adopt to this speed mechanic to finish a level fast, platform with multiple levels and paths to get to the end, avoid enemies and hazards... and replayability. If you base you entire understanding of how platformers work in the Mario vein, yes you may have trouble understanding the Sonic approach... the speed is not a gimmick, it adds a level of challenge and sensation intensity for people who want or don't mind the things moving quickly on screen... not everybody enjoys that style of gameplay but some do. THInk of it this way... Sega is known to be basically one of the Rulers of Arcade... Sonic in many ways is like taking the super craziness of arcade games combined with platforming... it's quite an innovative idea.
Going fast in the classic games isn't the main goal; it's the reward for mastery of the physics and level design!
Sonic 1 was designed trying to capitalize on the sensation of playing through 1-1 in SMB over and over again, getting faster and faster at it. Your first couple of playthroughs of a classic Sonic game should be played like Mario games, carefully and precise. Later on, you'll fly by!
Newer Sonic games have become more about going fast from the start (the boost button). A lot of this probably had to do with leaning into various marketing things, like blast processing, the "Gotta Go Fast" song from the anime, ect. Understandably, not everyone wants to replay a game over and over again to get the speed the marketing promised. Just my perspective!
What an amazing guest to have! Katie was awesome 👏
Wow 50 Episodes already in the middle of Sonic Week!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Congrats on 50 episodes! Here's to 50 more! 💓
Suggestion for the next video game series to examine - Mega Man. I was trying to think of something that’s been around for a while but doesn’t receive the same attention as a marquee series such as Mario. I think Mega Man could fit that role.
Wish you guys had found a way to include and play Sonic 3D Blast. I remember being _so_ incredibly impressed at how it was 3D, and I had a lot of fun with it.
“Money is no object” - Krysta probably. 😂 Love the show guys! Keep up the great work.
2:04:16 Sonic Lost World had a run button and no one liked it.
except me.
It's strange watching them interact with someone who they know isn't allowed to express any negative opinions about their franchise. Especially given that they used to be in a similar position themselves.
Sonic memes was actually a fantastic segment 😂 Thanks for another amazing episode!
Krysta your Sonic shirt is so cute, I love both your Sonic shirts! Sonic week has been so awesome
Katie seems really cool. I remember how bummed I was when Aaron Webber announced that he was switching roles but Katie’s done great work with the socials.
I’m so glad that you’ve both been enjoying Sonic music. Keep going down the Sonic music rabbit hole. I hope I’m your research, that you didn’t overlook Sonic Heroes. The soundtrack is phenomenal.
I too was worried about Fire Emblem being too light in content but I’ve really appreciated how streamlined it is. The extra focus on the combat has been nice.
I say Mario keeping maximum popularity is heavily because the general simplicity and easy sell of the character and world. Sonic is extreme, convoluted, and generally boldly does out there concepts which can turn some people away and sometimes doesn't have general appeal. But honestly that's one of the reasons i like Sonic best. Sonic's exploits and adventures are easily some of the most varied and crazy in all of gaming. If not the most.
I can hardly believe I didn't think of this till now, but you two totally should have reacted to Archie Comics run of Sonic The Hedgehog Mega Man: Worlds Collide. It was an epic crossover that was a blast to read!
I've lived in Cinci for 25 years. Blue ash chilli is pretty good. What's weird is I've eaten goat curry and it tastes similar to skyline. Makes me wonder what the secret recipe really is..
I'll fill in the blanks for you two.
Kit the 'Hawk'
Krysta the 'Dolphin'
the best part about the sonic fanbase is the fan made creations, like fan games like Sonic & The Fallen Star
So... Kit was a fanboy who just never grew out of it. I admit, that's a tad disappointing; was hoping for a dramatic, Dr. Doofenshmirtz style reveal, as opposed to "the ads turned me off as a kid". Oh well.
He also just doesn't click with the gameplay style of those 2D Sonic games... the emphasis on speed over exploration and platforming... noticed he was jiving a bit more with the 3D games because there is more dimensions to explore than just speeding to the right to complete a goal like a demented racing gaming
@@MedalionDS9 I call that taking the advertising too seriously; classic 2D Sonic slows down a lot more than you think, and while speedruns can make the game look crazy fast, you spend a lot of time jumping platforms, solving puzzles, or finding secrets. "The games are all about speed" was a marketing gimmick that didn't really become true until Rush (which suffered from it as a result since the small screens couldn't handle it).
@@MicaiahBaron You don't have to tell me, I played and enjoyed the 2D sonic games back in the day... you needed to convince young Kit back in the day. The difference was that although I was sorta a Nintendo fanboy back in the day as well is that I still was curious enough to buy a Genesis JUST so I could play this much hyped Sonic series, and glad I did... it was quite eye opening.
@@MedalionDS9 Somehow I don't think I'll be convincing Kit much of anything. :P
If you want to know everything about the Sonic Universe Invite Cybershell the Sonic Lore master.....
You know, while it was never enough to turn me off of Sonic, I do remember the competitiveness between Nintendo and Sega getting under my skin a bit as a kid. Really glad there were no ads of Mario breaking Sonic's legs and then teabagging him.
Maybe a Pokémon week for the week of Pokémon day? 👀
Wow, Krysta the Hedgehog has seen some stuff!
Kinda wondering whose cat was meowing in the Katie segment.
Had me looking out the back to see if a tomcat was lurking 🤣
Yes
Fifty episodes!! Add that to the accomplishments. Kit The Bunny, he saw that coming. Nice one Krysta 🤣
You did Sonic week for Kit, next up is Rabbids week for Krysta lol
Huh.
So Kit doesn't like the Olympic Games featuring Mario and Sonic. Funny; it was the London edition that played a part in helping my get into more Sonic games. I like to see Amy as a counterpart to Peach, Knuckles to Yoshi, Donkey Kong to Vector, and Shadow to Wario, but otherwise, I can understand a disappointment for the Mario and Sonic crossover to not be a proper adventure or RPG.
Sonic's appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl came right before I made the Sonic series one of my favorites. I was sold on the Blue Blur joining the battle and enjoyed playing as him. Sure, he uses a lot of Spin Dashes, but I wasn't bothered. He's gotten stronger in following Smash games...
It is interesting to hear you guys' thoughts on Sonic.
Probably going to repeat something that someone else said, but you guys seemed a bit held up on the 2D Sonic games having large levels. Which going to be honest aren't big for exploration per se, Sonic levels are typically large due to having multiple paths you can take to get to the end, usually with the top path being the fastest while also being the hardest to stay on. This suppose to promote replayability in finding new paths and improving on your time as you learn the level. But they are also large due to the nature of his speed, when you know how these levels from front to back, you can complete them in sometimes as little at 30 seconds or shorter. At least with a first time playing a typical stage will last your more to 3 to 4 minutes, but as I said the older 2D games promote replayability to learn the level and improve your time on these levels.
These two are Nintendo fanboys, what did you expect?
@@DiscordedHaru nothing, just informing them is all.
Finally, the episode I've been waiting for!! Surprised to hear Kit was traumatized by the marketing for Sonic and not Sonic itself lol. It was so cool to see Katie from the Sonic socials as a guest on the show! Also, I LOVE Krista's shirt with all the Sonic characters, where cna I get that shirt?!?
My biggest problem with this video? Krysta said you can equip multiple rings/emblems in Fire Emblem Engage... You can't. One per character.
Happy belated 50th episode, YAhoo~
Most of the game advertising in the 90s was icky to me, although I'm just young enough that I wasn't aware of a lot of it and went to youtube when that became a thing to discover them. But the Nintendo vs Sega was so guns blazing that even I knew about it, and I was very firmly Team Nintendo lmao. Sonic himself didn't bother me-- I was the kind of kid who imagined fictional characters having thoughts and feelings without even thinking about it, so my brain was like "he doesn't seem mean enough to agree with this kind of thing" lmaoooo. nah, even at that age it was just the extreme dude-broish aggression and loudness that set my soon-to-be gamer girl teeth on edge more than anything.
The talk with Katie was super interesting! Plus I'm always here for featuring more women in gaming whenever possible, reasons irrelevant, so kudos to y'all on that :D
I absolutely loved this interview with Katie, she was such a saint!
Chao Garden was so fun, all my Chao went to heaven and when I tell you Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was my game, ugh I loved it soooo much! My favorite tracks were Aquatic Mine and Meteor Herd.
Y'all those Sonic Memes are HILAR but Captian Alex shared that meme that almost made me gag, I NEVER want to see that Sonic Meme ever again. My named the hedgehog was pretty cool.
Congrats on 50 K and 50 episodes!
Soooo just to say, Sonic becomes Super Sonic which is similar to Saiyan hahaha but we call him Super Sonic. Also Amy is a hedgehog. The meme of spicy Sonic is disturbing.
I have not watched TLOU on HBO but I knew it was good because NPR is talking about it. I planned on not watching it because I LOVE the game and I don't want to be disappointed.
I believe the Switch has enough to continue until the end of 2024 but I hope by 2025 we get a new Nintendo console.
I am today years old realizing that Brawl was before your employments at Nintendo hahaha because I was curious about the reaction as employees with Sonic joining Brawl too. I guess it came out in 2008 and you two started in 2009 and 2010? I remember the rumor that Brawl would be the final Smash game hahahaha.
Krysta had me laughing when she said we don't need an equivalent to Waluigi in Sonic!
I think the success of the console is what brought Mario so much success over Sonic didn't have a console home much like Krysta was saying and sonic shifted consoles too. Sometimes I was able to play Sonic and other times I wasn't because I didn't have an Xbox or Playstation to play, I think this inconsistency hindered Sonic from keeping life long fans.
Do a Suda51 week next week for episode 51!!
Congratulations on making it to episode 50🎉, Kit and Krysta: I am glad you are finally opening up about your past with Sonic, Kit; talking is the first step to healing 🤗
Also I am glad you guys did Sonic week, and I hope it changed your opinion about my favorite franchise ☺️
Yesss been waiting for an answer for why kit is so traumatized by sonic 😂
Have y'all reacted to the OG Super Mario Bros movie? Or the Zelda cartoon? Those could be fun
They should totally watch the OG Super Mario Bros. movie before the Illumination one comes out this year.
1:44:08 Actually, you can lower the difficulty, but you cannot raise it.
Is that the rose gold iPad Pro? Do I match with THE Krysta Yang? kings support queens 👑
OMG Kit you don't know DBZ??? You guys NEED to play DBZ Kakarot, like, it's not an amazing open-world game, but it is pretty good, but Kit you're gonna love the story and the characters. Is like a simple but badass story with no bullshit.
loving the sonic week
There is romancing in this game btw! its just hidden!
Kit, since Krysta didn't know, Apple Arcade is 5 a month.
Master System and Genesis are two completely different consoles. The Master System and GameGear had a completely different 8bit Sonic the Hedgehog game from the Genesis 16bit version.
#BridgeZoneSupremacy!
Kinda harsh on the bunny allocation there, Kit! There's a bunny character from the Fleetway Sonic comics that was actually pretty cool. Might be biased though, we didn't get the Archie comics over here in the UK until much later.
Sega was very competitive, I even saw an Interview with a dev or executive talking about the creation of the mega drive. The tought process was that it needed to be better than super nintendo, and what is better than super? Mega!
The episode’s title is hilarious
The master system.....is not the megadrive/Genesis...come on guys.....
What do ppl pay you for?!
I can't wait to be here for episode 100!
Please don't label the male downstairs area as the Chao garden.
I've played Sonic game for the very beginning and have always felt there is an odd disconnect between focus on speed while the levels themselves are designed for exploration and even force players to stop and tread carefully multiple times. The two don't mesh well. In more recent years, the focus on speed has won out more than not. I have not yet played Frontiers, but judging from your stream it appears the balance between the two modes of gaming are the most in balance there ever been.
Sounds like a skill issue
1:03:10 It's time to duel! Looks like a Sonic x Yu-Gi-Oh! crossover, loll.
Sonic week has been so fun!!
I do hope you guys go back and play more of Sonic Adventure 1&2, and Generations.
I did laugh a little when Paper Mario was brought up, but because it's so true. Would you rather be forced to play Sonic 06 or Paper Mario Sticker Star in it's entirety.... Well, as someone who owned both, I would say Sonic 06, because as much of a glitchfest/loading screen fest game as that is, at least the core gameplay ideas were good. (They just sort of flopped the implementation)
Meanwhile you can't really polish Sticker Star, it would require a complete overhaul of it's core gameplay mechanics.
So far, from a gameplay perspective, I think Fire Emblem Engage has been so much better than Three Houses. The core of the series are the battles and the funny writing from intelligent systems, and both of those elements shine much better than Three Houses. It's sort of a return to something like fates as far as gameplay in battle goes which is absolutely my preferred style.
No discussion of Sanic memes!?
I have to comment again, because I split watching this into 2 parts, and I really gotta ask
Is Krysta's horse named "Termi-neigh-tor"?
Mario Paint...interesting. I never played it actually. Didn't it required specific hardware?
2:21:21 Krysta is gonna be _so_ surprised if she continues to play Sonic Adventure 2…
I dont usually agree with kit. But hes right about the sega adverts back in the 90s. Nintendo was all about those games but sega was all about saying they were better then Nintendo.
Engage is amazing so far
Krysta Im With you girl !! I love apple as well!! Kit missing out!! Im hoping to get my apple tv streaming box too!
Can we do a Titanic watch a long?
The game is definitely trying to be more humorous. It's like classic GBA FE. It's very cartoony and fairly linear, which this game feels like it's embracing.
The best game ever made by Game Freak is called Pokémon Legends Arceus.
HOW DID NO ONE MENTION SONIC RUSH‽