My gut tells me Nancy actually took the longer route around the loop, not the short one and Katherine tried to ride on the back of the vehicle but fell 1/2 way through the loop - and though it may have been an accident, Nancy ultimately hid the truth and covered it up. She felt guilty for being negligent. Just because the family is wealthy and has ties to a rock star doesn't somehow, magically, make her faultless or innocent. Also, you know who would lovingly smooth her hair and straighten her clothes? A mother.
Some one had said that the mom would let them ride on the back of the car through the complex. She had a broken thumb and her one hand was all wrapped up in a cast. I cant believe she would have let her on that day. Katherine may have snuck on the back with out her mom knowing but her mom didn't see her is probably what happened.
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I think only one vehicle was on that road that day…the mothers vehicle and something terrible happened and she was in denial and panicked and couldn’t face telling the full story out of utter disbelief and pain and regret.
I agree. I also don’t think the police want to look into it bc they believe what you said, and they know the family, specifically the mom, is already dealing with the pain and it was an accident and there’s nothing that can be done. 15 mins in an isolated neighborhood just doesn’t seem like there was probably anyone else on the road.
Hi John. Ken Mains covered this case a few years ago and posited a theory that seems fairly plausible. He suggested that she had sat on the back of the car and her mother drove off without knowing she was on there, and her daughter fell off en route to the house. He thought that it was an accidental death. Enjoy the conference. Regards from the UK
The most likely scenario seems to be that she fell off the car (it is consistent with her injuries). Additionally, with the time frame, it seems most likely that it was the mother's vehicle.
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This segment of unsolved mysteries really stuck with me. It's one that stands out in my mind from the Dennis Farina years. It's a very strange and unsettling thing. 😢
I always wondered if that song had special meaning for him, that's not something you write just to write it. The album was "Destination Anywhere". Absolutely heartbreaking. ❤
Your videos are just so heartbreaking but I really appreciate your hard work. Crime against anyone is horrific but against an innocent child just sinks to a new low. So many monsters lurking around
I can’t help but think the little girl fell from her Mom’s car and her Mom just doesn’t want to accept that she accidentally didn’t see her because she may have been distracted. It would be hard to deal with the fact that you could have unknowingly caused your child to incur fatal injuries.
There is zero supporting evidence of any kind. Theorizing in this case is useless. It can only be based on feelings and assumptions which have no accuracy at all.
@@aarondavis8943 Isn't that the whole point of BrainScratch? A death that has some weird circumstances and is not solved? I think that is why most of us subscribe to and watch this channel. I think the theory of her falling from her mom's car is valid. If one of the theories is that she was hit by a car, falling from a car could very well cause the same injuries. Feelings and assumptions can play a part in solving the case or maybe lead to more evidence. The information we have does not rule out an accident with a car in some way so the theory of falling from the car could be possible.
@@aarondavis8943except her mom allowed her kids to do that in the past so, yes. That’s the sole theory that holds any weight. She likely did it without her mom knowing, so mom didn’t drive as carefully as she would’ve when she was aware the kids were riding her bumper. It’s horrific and tragic but a six year old shouldn’t have been left alone even for a short walk and dangerous activities like climbing onto and clinging to the back of a moving car should, obviously, never have been an activity the mom allowed, even under her supervision. The older this story gets, the more details are being lost to the mythos, absolving the mom of responsibility and pushing the idea there was a crime, when it’s far more likely it was an innocent accident influenced by mom having previously encouraged a dangerous game of bumper surfing between the mailbox and their home. She fell off, from the height of a fast moving SUV, on pavement, was left for who actually knows how long in the road when time was of the essence, then moved with extreme impact injuries to the head/spine/etc. This is a tragedy filtered through the guilt and grief of parents in denial.
The coroner said that she wasn't hit by a car. She died from head trama consistent with a fall. She was found in the road at the curve on the route her mom went. Its obvious what happened.
@@louiseharraway2599speaking from personal experience, it's easy to hit your head falling out of a car. (As a teen I was on a pickup tailgate, and the teen driving thought it would be really cool to accelerate hard from a standstill without making sure everyone was holding on 🤦). I fell right out and hit the back of my head, but was ok. I've also fallen off horses at faster speeds and at some point you can't really help but flop so your head hits the ground. So no impact with a car would be necessary- she could have easily hit her head in the fall.
When I was 5, my aunt dropped myself and my cousin off at school. As I was getting out, I closed my finger in the door, and my aunt started driving not realising I was still attached to the back passenger door. If it wasn't for my cousin running after the car screaming, I would have been dragged along with the car. I was so small that my aunt hadn't even seen me stuck to the door. This reminded me of my experience.
@@Botoneduarte I have done the same thing, but not dragged, Mom heard me scream as she lifted her foot off the brake. Also, don't be rude. It's not cute and serves zero purpose.
When my sister was 5, she had a bad habit of climbing out the window of an open door at the same time my brother slammed the door shut. My sister started screaming bloody murder & if we weren’t there to witness it, no one would have believed the story that he shut her ear in the door.
I'm almost certain that she held on without the mom realizing it (the mom was probably chatting with her son, the radio could have been playing...), and she fell off. Since 911 wasn't called, there aren't other witnesses about her body position. Her mom could have been so traumatized, she's confused about details. No other theory makes sense to me.
I think its odd her brother neever spoke about it before he passed. He passed in 2020-social media was prevelant and he had been an adult many years. Very interesting career choice. An 8 yr old would remember and be aware of they saw something.
So I looked up the 1996 suburban and some of them had a back window wiper. Maybe she stood on the back bumper and held onto the wiper where it attaches to the window. And then lost her grip when her mom drove around the corner in the neighborhood. So sad. :(
Several things. I don't think her standing up can be totally dismissed. Here's why. The mom was driving in a very familiar place. She had today's mail sitting next to her. Being a neighborhood road that has no cross streets, ie. it only leads back out to the "main street", it's probably not busy. So is probably distracted by the road in front of her and the mail beside her. The possibility exists that she would never have noticed her daughter standing in the back window. In the 90s, we owned such a suburban. It's comparatively really far back. I could see Nancy miss seeing her daughter. Second, an observation. Something that kind of bothered through the whole episode. Now, I may have missed it. But there was no mention of blood. Just curious, wouldn't there have been some on the pavement?
I tend to think similar. I theorized in my own comment that Katherine could have even changed her mind about walking once she realized her mom was going to be driving the opposite direction and a longer route home meaning she would be totally out of sight from her. I know at 6 this would have scared me into backing out. Especially if she usually walked with her brother and only recently started walking alone. It could be that when she asked to walk she assumed her mom would be going in the same direction, as soon as she realizes her moms going the other way she panics and tries to get back in the car leading to an accident. I personally find this more likely than her holding on and riding on the back unnoticed. However, in this theory I believe the mother would be lying about where she was found and the accident would have happened closer to the mailbox and entrance to loop. To me this would also explain why the mother decided to grab her up and drive her to the hospital instead of calling 911. It guaranteed no one else would see the scene and gave her 25 minutes to come up with another story. Either way it's a tragic accident in my opinion. With at worst some possible bad decision making immediately after the fact.
I haven't watched in ages. You are looking well John. Definitely remember this case due to Bon Jovi's connection but most UM episodes kind of stay in your head in frightening ways.
As far as driving instead of calling an ambulance that seems completely normal to me as someone who lives in a rural area. The nearest hospital is about 35 mins if you drive the speed limit, nearest police station is 20 minutes, nearest fire department/first responders is 7 mins BUT it is not a manned station. All our local first responders are volunteer fire fighters/EMS amd would have to be contacted, someone would have to be in the area(and considering "town" is 30 minutes away most people work, and shop out of the area everyday), then they would have to make their way to the fire hall to get the ambulance and then make their way to the accident scene. My Grandpa grew up out here and was a dairy farmer, so he had some accidents and he also had 5 heart attacks. After they (my grandparents) had cellphones they would get in a vehicle and start driving to the hospital and call 911 on the way to meet them. I'm not sure how they handled things before cellphones.
I think it's pretty obvious that the girl fell off the moms vehicle. There is a good possibility the mom didn't know, and probably couldn't bring herself to deal with the possibility, but with the facts and the small time window, it is almost impossible that it happened any other way.
Even today I would never wait on an ambulance if my child was laying injured before me and I had immediate access to a vehicle. Minutes count and you can't count on anyone but yourself sometimes.
I just watched this old Unsovled Mysteries episode on Pluto tv. I was struck by how unemotional the mother seemed in her interview, which was less than a year after it happened. This might seem like an extreme theory, but i think she may have killed her daughter by accident either wihout her son knowing, or him knowing and her convincing him to help her cover it up. The family give me a real Jon Benet Ramsey family vibe. They were a rich family with a lot to lose, the father, who was the manager for Bon Jovi was away on business in New York. Maybe the mother accidentally killed the daughter and realizing that she could lose her lifestyle if she was charged with something concocted the whole story. The entire story about going out with the kids, then returning home and stopping and dropping the daughter off at the mailboxes so that she could walk the rest of the way home just doesn't add up when they were so close to home, and the girl just happens to take one route while the mother drives the long way around the circle (which makes no sense) that lead to their house? nah.. there is something fishy there. I think the mom planned to put her body on the road thinking the cops would just find her and assume it's a hit and run, and only after they investigated it and declared that she wasn't hit by a car did the mother come out and say things like 'oh i knew her clothes were on too straight' and 'she seemed posed' etc.. I don't know, i just get zombie vibes from her in the way she talks about it. Even comparing losing a child to how families of vietnam soldiers felt when they didn't come home.. umm okaaaay..
I remember very well seeing this case on Unsolved Mysteries years ago and I was baffled as to what could have happened. I just feel like an abduction attempt doesn't make the most sense,an accident of some kind seems the most likely to me whether it involves a stranger hit and run or somehow an accident involving the mother's vehicle it's really hard to tell and unless someone was to come forward and admit involvement I don't see this ever coming to closure.
No. 911 took over an hour to get to our house and had my husband go stand in the road at 2am because they couldn't find our house. Then, had no idea what to do when they got there.
Great work!! This is one of the most unique “crime” cases and it’s stuck with me since seeing it on Unsolved Mysteries. My heart breaks for this family, not once but twice. Jon Bon Jovi did a great job on the song. I can’t listen to it without seeing her face.
I thought that was weird too and I was thinking what could a six year old actually do to protect themselves from an adult with nefarious intentions even if they had some sort of training.
@@danjohnson887 Yes, but self defense isn't a martial art. The authority that gives it to you, what are their rules? Also I think the granddad is exaggerating because its his grandchild. He probably Just wanted to say that she'd fight back. I got a "walking in traffic license" when i was 6.
Her brother, Christopher, became a Police Officer. He was killed on duty on St Patrick’s Day 2020@age of 32. His vehicle was slammed by a negligent driver (no toxicology taken). My thoughts is she was hit by another driver, possibly a younger one. As a Mother, do not ever judge the panic. If she’d stayed with daughter & sent son to find someone, then waited for Aid how long would that be? Imagine your baby laying there. Crumpled on the hot pavement. You immediately scoop up & go. The mind won’t let you accept she didn’t have smooth hair & pressed clothes. It’s your baby that left your womb only a short while ago. The sheer agony of what she saw. My heart goes out to her.
Agreed! I'm not going to be fake for social media 'likes - I'd for sure grab up my baby & run too🤷🏾♀️ It's 1996. No one is thinking of perverts/human evil like that - not to mention, 911/ambulances would have taken longer to summon with the son running down driveways for help. This poor, poor family 😢. I happen to think someone offered Katherine to hitch a ride on the tailgate or something.... I'd love to know if there are any teen drivers living on the loop 🤔
I really feel for the mother of this child, because accidentally unaliving your child is something you never recover from, no matter how much therapy you receive to treat it. My nephew's best friend from childhood died in a similar manner. His father was backing down the driveway, and didn't see his kid playing there.
It sounds like she could have been trying to hang onto her mothers car but depending on body position would probably be the answer as to if she fell off her mothers car. Kids can make quick decisions and act upon them.
I think this is what happened, too. Katherine had a splint on her thumb, which told me that she was a risk-taker; despite what the reconstruction results were, kids will find a way to do what they want to do (think the "Harambe Kid"). Katherine's injuries were also consistent with a backwards fall from a vehicle while trying to hold while standing on a bumper. Sadly, this appears to have been an accident passed off as a kidnapping attempt, and both Katherine's parents have divorced, the father now living in Canada.
@@LadyGreyBlackagreed. As a teen I fell backwards out of a truck bed (thankfully at quite low speeds). I landed on my butt, rolled backwards, and hit the back of my head, thankfully not hard. At speeds a bit faster, that could be easily fatal without a lot of other injuries.
If the ambient temperature is 100° that street is probably 150 or more degrees. I would’ve moved her immediately. I’m not sure I would’ve driven her 25 minutes to a hospital, I think I would have tried to call 911 but they didn’t have cell phones.
It would be really hard to wait for an ambulance that has to turn around and drive right back where it presumably came from. Instead of 26 min or whatever, it's probably twice as long. That isn't weird
Why would she know where paramedic outposts were? And without a phone? I literally can't go anywhere without gps, i couldn't go anywhere unfamiliar without MapQuest. She went where she knew to go. Even if she did do something wrong all of this means nothing, innocent people do the same things
When I was 6 months old. My 2 year old cousin pushed me out of my mom's car, I got a skull fracture. The car was parked too. I was in my car seat and it fell with me. Since I was six months old Praise God I survived as my skull was still forming. For a six year old ... Could have been an attempted abduction and she jumped or rolled out. Could be that she fought with her brother or something and was pushed or jumped out? Idk Kids down a driveway road sometimes would have the mini van or whatever vehicle door open. Things happen without thinking. You're down your home road and feel safe... Idk
Great work again John----- Katherine could of stood up on the bumper with her hands gripping down on the handle. The mom probably didnt look through the rear mirror as she was probbably looking through the letters etc - also being on a quiet road littrally round the corner from the house
It's doubtful in 1996 that they had a cell phone. I know in my area in 1996 there were (and still are) only 3 hospitals, upstate NY, and while there are other walk-in clinics now, they all have set hours, usually 9-5-ish, so they might not have been open, even if available... I don't think I would have thought to take her to an ambulance station or fire station, while they may have been closer, they might not have been able to help, while a hospital certainly will. I find no fault with the mom for driving her to a hospital. It's a split second decision, one she hopes will save her daughter's life. Such a horrible loss. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
Me too. That’s doesn’t seem weird to me. Especially in 1996. My husband cut his foot off on a 4 wheeler and he had me drive him to the hospital. It just happened so fast and it was the first thing we thought and we had cells phones.
Yeah absolutely. Now a days I might call 911, but in 96 nah definitely would've scooped and drove her straight to hospital. Clinics weren't a thing in my area in the 90's-early 2000s so that wouldn't have been an option.
I agree! I see my daughter like that you can bet your ass I’m getting her to the hospital asap! Every minute counts when you’re a mother seeing your child hurt. You want your child to be better immediately. Your brain goes into get help fast I would imagine. I would’ve done the same… Not sure why people are critical of that? That’s Weird to me.
In 96 she probably did not have a mobile. I would for sure have headed for the hospital. Even if she could call, how long would it be before the paramedics arrived. I am from the UK, so I have no idea. Here you are lucky to get an ambulance in less than 30 minutes, then they still have to drive to the hospital.
The exact thing with the kid sitting on the bumper in exactly the same way, only in this case there was road rash but child survived. The cause of the fall in this case was a bump on the road.
Maybe it would have been a mistake but I can absolutely relate to what the mother did. I would probably have done the same. She probably said to herself that the pros might take almost as long as the drive to the hospital. I would have yes, done the same.
If there was a random hit and run 1) the would not have randomly moved her body around the bend. They would have hidden it or taken it 2) if they hit her and moved her around the block did they also pick up every single shard of broken glass and car pieces? 3) there was no blood or tire marks ANYWHERE 4) a crime of opportunity abduction is so rare add on top of that a stranger abduction even more rare
When my cousin was 6, she and her brother would sit against their station wagon and she fell out on a busy bridge. Her brother started screaming Mary fell out Mary fell out. If not for the brother the dad didn’t realize she fell out & fortunately the car behind saw it and stopped in time to not hit her. Maine mom was drinking.
$5,000 reward even back then is pathetic. $50,000 would have been more appropriate. I've always thought she tried to hold on and the mother discovered what happened and couldn't accept the responsibility for the accident.
I'd often wondered if rewards were kept low intentionally for a purpose, and I asked ChatGPT and indeed, they're kept low for practical and ethical reasons often. The main one is to prevent a flood of tips that aren't genuine but just hoping to get the reward. There are ethical and legal other concerns, too.
I can't help but wonder if when she asked to walk home she assumed her mom would be going the same way as her, the shorter route. If she notices mom is going to be going the other direction and she would be totally out of sight, at 6 that could seem scary. Could she have possibly at the last second decided she didn't want to walk alone if mom was going the other direction and before mom starts pulling off she runs up and tries to get it at the same time the mom is pulling away? It doesn't necessarily have to be that she tried to hold on to the outside of the car, she could have been trying to get back inside. If we scratch everything the mom says, the accident could have happened not far from the mailboxes and if she make it in time to open the door as mom is pulling off the door could have swung open throwing her to the ground or who knows maybe she didn't even get to that point yet and was just running back to try and get in the car and something happened. Besides the 8 year old brother (who it sounds like never spoke as an adult on his memories of that day publicly before his death) she's the only one who "saw" her daughter in that round about laid out in the road. I don't know but it just seems odd to me that in a neighborhood like that no neighbors would have come out to the commotion. Whether that be in the time the accident happened or when the mother discovers her. But if the accident took place at the opening of the subdivision or whatever you call this loop then I could see there being no witnesses. I think the mom or even neighbors would have had to have seen another car if someone else had been involved in such a short time frame, but that's just me speculating. Either way total tragedy.
I agree with you. Think she grabbed onto the car cause she realized she’d be alone and the mom didn’t know so she was pulled for a few seconds and then had to let go.
41:35 Seeing the *type* of car, I can now *completely* understand how a small child could essentially sit on that back bumper, and hide. It seems pretty obvious she fell out of the car. Perhaps they had agreed she'd walk home, & then thought it'd be clever/funny to arrive home at the same time as Mom! I could fully see a 6 yo hiding on the back to be silly, without realizing the danger she was in. Maybe the mom didn't know this, but then realized she wasn't home in time, so drove back, perhaps with the immediate realization of what could've happened.
I have tried to be open that she could have rode on the bumper but I just don't see how if she fell off that seconds she would have screamed even for a second. Would her mom and brother had heard? That her brother has passed is tragic too. I just don't know what to think.
As a teen I fell out of the back of a truck bed. I didn't have time to make any noise, and the driver had to be alerted by the other people in the truck bed. I also hit my head (thankfully relatively gently) in the fall.
14:03 I’ve had an emergency with my child before, to even suggest that a parent should remember to and be able to calculate anticipated arrival times and then compare driving to 911, which in a big city can take ages even decades ago, seems at best ill-conceived and, at worst, grasping at straws to demonize the mother. I’d prefer to only hear reasonable evidence, not the practice of twisting any detail into the narrative you are crafting.
I’ve took picture her mom looking through the mail, barely rolling away and the little girl jumping on the car. I did that so many times myself and fell many of them.
She passed away from head trauma. She was found in the road at the curve. The coroner said that she was not hit by a car. Common sense and logic tells what happened.
I fell out of the back of a truck bed that suddenly accelerated from a stop. Even that little fall, going like 3 miles an hour caused me to hit the back of my head pretty solidly on the pavement. People can die just hitting their head on pavement from standing if they can't break their fall. So if she fell backwards, it absolutely could absolutely happen.
My ex husband fell off his little bike as a child and almost died from a head injury. People die from falling from a standing position, hit their heads and die pretty often. My mom tripped and fell in her carpeted bedroom, hit her head resulting in a massive brain bleed. She survived but it took her 6 months to recover.
It seems most likely she fell from the mother's vehicle. However, I would like to see some models of different scenarios. Depending on the injury to her hip, I don't think it's far off to think she could have been hit by a vehicle and thrown, hitting her head and getting the scrape marks to her body. Also, what about the possibility of a side mirror striking her and causing the injury to her head?
Without a cell phone, she would have had to drive back home, leaving her son with Katherine, make the call, then return. The ambulance _may_ have arrived within 10 minutes but it _may_ have taken half an hour or even longer. It's just impossible to know. General practitioners are not really much use, as most GPs can only provide first aid then call an ambulance. And if there is a closer medical centre or hospital, where is it? She would have to move her off the road, not only because of heat but you are not advised in any first aid course to leave someone on a road. So I can understand why should would scoop her up and go straight to hospital. At the very least, you _know_ you are going to get the best care possible within 25 minutes. That certainty could make this the preferable choice. Anyone who says that calling the ambulance was _definitely_ the better option doesn't know what they're talking about.
Remember this from Bon Jovi also. Sad. I believe she most likely fell from the vehicle after sneaking onto it unbeknownst to her Mom. As kids, used to "Hookie-Bob" on icy roads in Montana. We grabbed the bumpers of the busses and basically skated on the ice behind them. Kids do unexpected and dangerous things that parents wouldn't fathom.
What would be the point of abducting someone for 10 minutes or so? What could you really do to them in that short of time? Especially if you only had a car and no home or shelter to take her to...idk, that just doesnt make sense to me....
Without having cell phones back then, I think I truly would have done the same thing! I think I could have got her there faster than getting to a phone and waiting.
Saying the neighbors house doesn't always mean the next door neighbors house. I call people neighbors and would say my neighbors house about their home and they are more than a block away. The people in my neighborhood are my neighbors but since my house is on the corner I only refer to one neighbor as my next door neighbor.
Not sure if he touches on it but i recently was googling to see if there were any updates and saw where Chris, Catherine’s brother grew up to become a cop in TX and tragically died in a car crash on duty a few years ago. The family can’t catch a break.
Something doesn’t feel right… I have 8 year old granddaughters. I wouldn’t let them walk around the block alone nor together. I think the mother has something to do with this. Either way, it makes me sick. Whether the mother is completely innocent or not, she will pay the full price of that decision for the rest of her life and it’s like having a death sentence…
Just a note on the position-a person in fetal position has arms and legs bent and held close to the body. It is impossible to be in fetal position and have legs extended. It is not accurate. What is the actual position?
Would a parent of a 'murdered' or assaulted child, really want Bon Jovi, or any celebrity musician, recording a song about the details of the childs death, murder or assault...details down to the date and so called exact timing?? A song played all over the world by a famous band... That is incredibly odd!!
As tiny as she was she might have jumped up in front of the SUV, sat on the bumper and the mom might have never seen her or even realized she ran her over. She was driving a suburban, those are very large vehicles, you probably wouldnt see a small child directly in front of it trying to squat on the front bumper.
Maybe I missed something, but why would the mom drive the long way around to the house? She would of had to have driven that way for the falling off the bumper scenario to have happened.
Cops debunked the description in which Katherines body was found, which is correct she was curled up in fetal position. Mother also says she was found in that spot. I doubt that as well. If you listen to the unsolved mysteries episode, the PI says “the day of katherines acc- death” wanting to say accident. She knows exactly what happened. Remember the family has money. Money makes things go away
I would never let a little girl walk alone, no matter how safe the neighborhood is. I know what's lurking out there. Hell is too good for the monsters that can come out of the woodwork.
In today’s world me either. But back in the 90’s my kids played in our neighborhood, rode bikes, went to their friends houses with no issues in our neighborhood. Especially when you know the neighborhood and even back then we had neighborhood watch.
I also would not allow a 6 year old child to collect and bring home the mail from such a distance; I had my 8 year old niece do the same from a mailbox a few yards away, and I had to yell at her for dropping items as she was coming back to the house. This is especially true if a parent is a manager in the recording industry. The whole story sounded off, even when it was shown 30 years ago.
I wonder if she had her hands on the tailgate latch and both feet on the bumper. Her back would be towards the road. Perhaps the gate did open in route. If I was the private investigator I'd probably stray from this possibility as well $$$
Has anyone looked into the possibility of a neighborhood kid having a fourwheeler/moped/go cart? I wrecked a fourwheeler once and cracked a quarter size hole in the helmet and got road rash.
I don't know why they are talking about being a black belt in self-defence, she was 6. I don't believe she would have been intentionally hanging onto the back of the car. Again, a 6 year old girl, not a teenage boy.
Could a family that knew them accidentally have hit her, not realized how bad the injuries were , started to bring her home & then panicked & put her out of the car if they thought she had passed? Also, riding the bumper sounds very plausible. It seems to check the boxes.
I don’t think she necessarily sat on the bumper. She may have stood on the bumper and held on to a hatch handle. Of course one would have to see the design of the back of the car. With her body higher than if she had been sitting she could have hit the pavement harder. The question I have about this whole idea is, I would have expected her body to be thrown at the apex of the curve and then thrown farther away in the opposite direction of the motion of the car. Not 20 or more feet farther along the route as shown.
@@Brea95they're not marked off as a separate space but if you look closely, there is a sidewalk on each side. You can tell it's a sidewalk and not part of the road by the seperated blocks of cement.
My gut tells me Nancy actually took the longer route around the loop, not the short one and Katherine tried to ride on the back of the vehicle but fell 1/2 way through the loop - and though it may have been an accident, Nancy ultimately hid the truth and covered it up. She felt guilty for being negligent. Just because the family is wealthy and has ties to a rock star doesn't somehow, magically, make her faultless or innocent. Also, you know who would lovingly smooth her hair and straighten her clothes? A mother.
This is exactly what I have always thought as well.
Some one had said that the mom would let them ride on the back of the car through the complex. She had a broken thumb and her one hand was all wrapped up in a cast. I cant believe she would have let her on that day. Katherine may have snuck on the back with out her mom knowing but her mom didn't see her is probably what happened.
On Unsolved mysteries it said the mom took the long was around which is where she was found
The long way around
@@gretchenbrewley8805 I thought Nancy told the cops she went the short way... 🤷
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Katherine's story was new to me. Thank you for sharing it. I think not knowing what happened would be something I could never let go of.
Same for me. Seems like I should have known about it.
I think only one vehicle was on that road that day…the mothers vehicle and something terrible happened and she was in denial and panicked and couldn’t face telling the full story out of utter disbelief and pain and regret.
I agree. I also don’t think the police want to look into it bc they believe what you said, and they know the family, specifically the mom, is already dealing with the pain and it was an accident and there’s nothing that can be done. 15 mins in an isolated neighborhood just doesn’t seem like there was probably anyone else on the road.
Yes mom killed her
Hi John. Ken Mains covered this case a few years ago and posited a theory that seems fairly plausible. He suggested that she had sat on the back of the car and her mother drove off without knowing she was on there, and her daughter fell off en route to the house. He thought that it was an accidental death.
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Hello, fellow Unsolved no more fan😊 I thought Ken did a great job covering this case.
@@addiegraves3 he has done some great stuff, especially around Jonbennet Ramsay.
Another Mains fan here.
The most likely scenario seems to be that she fell off the car (it is consistent with her injuries). Additionally, with the time frame, it seems most likely that it was the mother's vehicle.
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This segment of unsolved mysteries really stuck with me. It's one that stands out in my mind from the Dennis Farina years. It's a very strange and unsettling thing. 😢
I always wondered if that song had special meaning for him, that's not something you write just to write it. The album was "Destination Anywhere". Absolutely heartbreaking. ❤
Your videos are just so heartbreaking but I really appreciate your hard work. Crime against anyone is horrific but against an innocent child just sinks to a new low. So many monsters lurking around
Except that’s not what happened here. Just a mom in denial.
This is a great episode John. Very interesting.
I can’t help but think the little girl fell from her Mom’s car and her Mom just doesn’t want to accept that she accidentally didn’t see her because she may have been distracted. It would be hard to deal with the fact that you could have unknowingly caused your child to incur fatal injuries.
There is zero supporting evidence of any kind. Theorizing in this case is useless. It can only be based on feelings and assumptions which have no accuracy at all.
@@aarondavis8943 Isn't that the whole point of BrainScratch? A death that has some weird circumstances and is not solved? I think that is why most of us subscribe to and watch this channel.
I think the theory of her falling from her mom's car is valid. If one of the theories is that she was hit by a car, falling from a car could very well cause the same injuries. Feelings and assumptions can play a part in solving the case or maybe lead to more evidence. The information we have does not rule out an accident with a car in some way so the theory of falling from the car could be possible.
Kids riding on a bumper on dirt or side roads is something I remember seeing back then. So it's possible she knew she was there and she fell off.
@@aarondavis8943no supporting evidence it didn’t happen that way either so it could of happened.
@@aarondavis8943except her mom allowed her kids to do that in the past so, yes. That’s the sole theory that holds any weight. She likely did it without her mom knowing, so mom didn’t drive as carefully as she would’ve when she was aware the kids were riding her bumper.
It’s horrific and tragic but a six year old shouldn’t have been left alone even for a short walk and dangerous activities like climbing onto and clinging to the back of a moving car should, obviously, never have been an activity the mom allowed, even under her supervision.
The older this story gets, the more details are being lost to the mythos, absolving the mom of responsibility and pushing the idea there was a crime, when it’s far more likely it was an innocent accident influenced by mom having previously encouraged a dangerous game of bumper surfing between the mailbox and their home.
She fell off, from the height of a fast moving SUV, on pavement, was left for who actually knows how long in the road when time was of the essence, then moved with extreme impact injuries to the head/spine/etc.
This is a tragedy filtered through the guilt and grief of parents in denial.
If I was a kid, I'd have my toes on the bumper, crouched down, my butt hanging out and holding on to the handle with both hands 🤷🏾♀️
I don't understand how this would be possible. How would the child stay on the bumper this way??
Especially as a 6yo. That's too tiny, she's probably smart enough to realize she's too tiny for that specific maneuver you're describing.
She couldn't have done it because Katherine's hand was in a cast.
@@Ciaccona255oh was the mom abusive to the kids.
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The coroner said that she wasn't hit by a car. She died from head trama consistent with a fall. She was found in the road at the curve on the route her mom went. Its obvious what happened.
Did the mother back over her without knowing? if she climbed on the car and fell off smashing jer head.
@@louiseharraway2599speaking from personal experience, it's easy to hit your head falling out of a car. (As a teen I was on a pickup tailgate, and the teen driving thought it would be really cool to accelerate hard from a standstill without making sure everyone was holding on 🤦). I fell right out and hit the back of my head, but was ok.
I've also fallen off horses at faster speeds and at some point you can't really help but flop so your head hits the ground.
So no impact with a car would be necessary- she could have easily hit her head in the fall.
I wouldn't say it's obvious because if there were absolute proof it would be solved after all this time.
Sadly I believe she fell from her mum's car. Possibly her mum didn't even know. A very sad story especially losing her brother as well.
When I was 5, my aunt dropped myself and my cousin off at school. As I was getting out, I closed my finger in the door, and my aunt started driving not realising I was still attached to the back passenger door. If it wasn't for my cousin running after the car screaming, I would have been dragged along with the car. I was so small that my aunt hadn't even seen me stuck to the door. This reminded me of my experience.
You’ve been watching tooooo many cartoons😅😅 dude this story is so bogus
@@Botoneduarte I have done the same thing, but not dragged, Mom heard me scream as she lifted her foot off the brake.
Also, don't be rude. It's not cute and serves zero purpose.
When my sister was 5, she had a bad habit of climbing out the window of an open door at the same time my brother slammed the door shut. My sister started screaming bloody murder & if we weren’t there to witness it, no one would have believed the story that he shut her ear in the door.
I'm almost certain that she held on without the mom realizing it (the mom was probably chatting with her son, the radio could have been playing...), and she fell off. Since 911 wasn't called, there aren't other witnesses about her body position. Her mom could have been so traumatized, she's confused about details. No other theory makes sense to me.
I think its odd her brother neever spoke about it before he passed. He passed in 2020-social media was prevelant and he had been an adult many years. Very interesting career choice. An 8 yr old would remember and be aware of they saw something.
So I looked up the 1996 suburban and some of them had a back window wiper. Maybe she stood on the back bumper and held onto the wiper where it attaches to the window. And then lost her grip when her mom drove around the corner in the neighborhood. So sad. :(
I can't imagine a wiper blade being very sturdy or able to hold much weight but you're right and a child wouldn't consider that.
Absolutely 100% thats exactly my thinking bc I did this in the 80s
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Several things. I don't think her standing up can be totally dismissed. Here's why. The mom was driving in a very familiar place. She had today's mail sitting next to her. Being a neighborhood road that has no cross streets, ie. it only leads back out to the "main street", it's probably not busy. So is probably distracted by the road in front of her and the mail beside her. The possibility exists that she would never have noticed her daughter standing in the back window. In the 90s, we owned such a suburban. It's comparatively really far back. I could see Nancy miss seeing her daughter.
Second, an observation. Something that kind of bothered through the whole episode. Now, I may have missed it. But there was no mention of blood. Just curious, wouldn't there have been some on the pavement?
There was no blood.
I tend to think similar. I theorized in my own comment that Katherine could have even changed her mind about walking once she realized her mom was going to be driving the opposite direction and a longer route home meaning she would be totally out of sight from her. I know at 6 this would have scared me into backing out. Especially if she usually walked with her brother and only recently started walking alone. It could be that when she asked to walk she assumed her mom would be going in the same direction, as soon as she realizes her moms going the other way she panics and tries to get back in the car leading to an accident. I personally find this more likely than her holding on and riding on the back unnoticed. However, in this theory I believe the mother would be lying about where she was found and the accident would have happened closer to the mailbox and entrance to loop. To me this would also explain why the mother decided to grab her up and drive her to the hospital instead of calling 911. It guaranteed no one else would see the scene and gave her 25 minutes to come up with another story. Either way it's a tragic accident in my opinion. With at worst some possible bad decision making immediately after the fact.
And I know that in my van, the headrests on the rearmost seats, if they are pushed up, can block the view of objects near the bottom of the window.
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As far as driving instead of calling an ambulance that seems completely normal to me as someone who lives in a rural area. The nearest hospital is about 35 mins if you drive the speed limit, nearest police station is 20 minutes, nearest fire department/first responders is 7 mins BUT it is not a manned station. All our local first responders are volunteer fire fighters/EMS amd would have to be contacted, someone would have to be in the area(and considering "town" is 30 minutes away most people work, and shop out of the area everyday), then they would have to make their way to the fire hall to get the ambulance and then make their way to the accident scene. My Grandpa grew up out here and was a dairy farmer, so he had some accidents and he also had 5 heart attacks. After they (my grandparents) had cellphones they would get in a vehicle and start driving to the hospital and call 911 on the way to meet them. I'm not sure how they handled things before cellphones.
I think it's pretty obvious that the girl fell off the moms vehicle. There is a good possibility the mom didn't know, and probably couldn't bring herself to deal with the possibility, but with the facts and the small time window, it is almost impossible that it happened any other way.
Even today I would never wait on an ambulance if my child was laying injured before me and I had immediate access to a vehicle. Minutes count and you can't count on anyone but yourself sometimes.
But lifesaving measures take place en route to
I just watched this old Unsovled Mysteries episode on Pluto tv. I was struck by how unemotional the mother seemed in her interview, which was less than a year after it happened. This might seem like an extreme theory, but i think she may have killed her daughter by accident either wihout her son knowing, or him knowing and her convincing him to help her cover it up. The family give me a real Jon Benet Ramsey family vibe. They were a rich family with a lot to lose, the father, who was the manager for Bon Jovi was away on business in New York. Maybe the mother accidentally killed the daughter and realizing that she could lose her lifestyle if she was charged with something concocted the whole story. The entire story about going out with the kids, then returning home and stopping and dropping the daughter off at the mailboxes so that she could walk the rest of the way home just doesn't add up when they were so close to home, and the girl just happens to take one route while the mother drives the long way around the circle (which makes no sense) that lead to their house? nah.. there is something fishy there. I think the mom planned to put her body on the road thinking the cops would just find her and assume it's a hit and run, and only after they investigated it and declared that she wasn't hit by a car did the mother come out and say things like 'oh i knew her clothes were on too straight' and 'she seemed posed' etc.. I don't know, i just get zombie vibes from her in the way she talks about it. Even comparing losing a child to how families of vietnam soldiers felt when they didn't come home.. umm okaaaay..
You are totally correct.
I remember very well seeing this case on Unsolved Mysteries years ago and I was baffled as to what could have happened. I just feel like an abduction attempt doesn't make the most sense,an accident of some kind seems the most likely to me whether it involves a stranger hit and run or somehow an accident involving the mother's vehicle it's really hard to tell and unless someone was to come forward and admit involvement I don't see this ever coming to closure.
No. 911 took over an hour to get to our house and had my husband go stand in the road at 2am because they couldn't find our house. Then, had no idea what to do when they got there.
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Great work!! This is one of the most unique “crime” cases and it’s stuck with me since seeing it on Unsolved Mysteries. My heart breaks for this family, not once but twice. Jon Bon Jovi did a great job on the song. I can’t listen to it without seeing her face.
A six year old with a black belt in self defence? I have never heard of such a thing.
I thought that was weird too and I was thinking what could a six year old actually do to protect themselves from an adult with nefarious intentions even if they had some sort of training.
If you pay the money they'll give you whatever belt you want...
@@danjohnson887 Yes, but self defense isn't a martial art. The authority that gives it to you, what are their rules?
Also I think the granddad is exaggerating because its his grandchild. He probably Just wanted to say that she'd fight back.
I got a "walking in traffic license" when i was 6.
Her brother, Christopher, became a Police Officer. He was killed on duty on St Patrick’s Day 2020@age of 32. His vehicle was slammed by a negligent driver (no toxicology taken). My thoughts is she was hit by another driver, possibly a younger one. As a Mother, do not ever judge the panic. If she’d stayed with daughter & sent son to find someone, then waited for Aid how long would that be? Imagine your baby laying there. Crumpled on the hot pavement. You immediately scoop up & go. The mind won’t let you accept she didn’t have smooth hair & pressed clothes. It’s your baby that left your womb only a short while ago. The sheer agony of what she saw. My heart goes out to her.
My God, how much can one family endure? ❤
Agreed! I'm not going to be fake for social media 'likes - I'd for sure grab up my baby & run too🤷🏾♀️
It's 1996. No one is thinking of perverts/human evil like that - not to mention, 911/ambulances would have taken longer to summon with the son running down driveways for help.
This poor, poor family 😢. I happen to think someone offered Katherine to hitch a ride on the tailgate or something.... I'd love to know if there are any teen drivers living on the loop 🤔
@@missychan63 - I know... The loss of 2 children, a failed marriage... 😔
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I agree that in an emergency, I can't say I wouldn't scoop my child and hall it in the car.
I really feel for the mother of this child, because accidentally unaliving your child is something you never recover from, no matter how much therapy you receive to treat it. My nephew's best friend from childhood died in a similar manner. His father was backing down the driveway, and didn't see his kid playing there.
I'm so sad for these parents, because of course that's the last thing on earth they would want to happen.💔 I'm not sure I would survive that.
It sounds like she could have been trying to hang onto her mothers car but depending on body position would probably be the answer as to if she fell off her mothers car. Kids can make quick decisions and act upon them.
I think this is what happened, too. Katherine had a splint on her thumb, which told me that she was a risk-taker; despite what the reconstruction results were, kids will find a way to do what they want to do (think the "Harambe Kid"). Katherine's injuries were also consistent with a backwards fall from a vehicle while trying to hold while standing on a bumper. Sadly, this appears to have been an accident passed off as a kidnapping attempt, and both Katherine's parents have divorced, the father now living in Canada.
@@LadyGreyBlackagreed. As a teen I fell backwards out of a truck bed (thankfully at quite low speeds). I landed on my butt, rolled backwards, and hit the back of my head, thankfully not hard. At speeds a bit faster, that could be easily fatal without a lot of other injuries.
What if she just had her feet on the bumper, kinda crouched down, holding on to the door handle. I think that's how i would've done it as a child.
Bingo! Like the kid who found his way into Harabe's enclosure, kids will find a way to do things.
That's how I pictured it happening.
If the ambient temperature is 100° that street is probably 150 or more degrees. I would’ve moved her immediately. I’m not sure I would’ve driven her 25 minutes to a hospital, I think I would have tried to call 911 but they didn’t have cell phones.
Tragic.I remember seeing this as a segment on unsolved mysteries and I was so confused by the whole thing.so tragic.
It would be really hard to wait for an ambulance that has to turn around and drive right back where it presumably came from. Instead of 26 min or whatever, it's probably twice as long. That isn't weird
It doesn't matter what was there. If you were freaking out you'd want to do what seemed fastest to your not logical freaking out brain
Why would she know where paramedic outposts were? And without a phone? I literally can't go anywhere without gps, i couldn't go anywhere unfamiliar without MapQuest. She went where she knew to go. Even if she did do something wrong all of this means nothing, innocent people do the same things
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When I was 6 months old. My 2 year old cousin pushed me out of my mom's car, I got a skull fracture. The car was parked too. I was in my car seat and it fell with me. Since I was six months old Praise God I survived as my skull was still forming.
For a six year old ...
Could have been an attempted abduction and she jumped or rolled out.
Could be that she fought with her brother or something and was pushed or jumped out? Idk
Kids down a driveway road sometimes would have the mini van or whatever vehicle door open. Things happen without thinking. You're down your home road and feel safe...
Idk
Great work again John----- Katherine could of stood up on the bumper with her hands gripping down on the handle. The mom probably didnt look through the rear mirror as she was probbably looking through the letters etc - also being on a quiet road littrally round the corner from the house
Was there a Tow Bar on the back- 1 foot on the Tbar other on the bumper and both hands holding down on the handle. Bless her soul 🙏
It's doubtful in 1996 that they had a cell phone. I know in my area in 1996 there were (and still are) only 3 hospitals, upstate NY, and while there are other walk-in clinics now, they all have set hours, usually 9-5-ish, so they might not have been open, even if available... I don't think I would have thought to take her to an ambulance station or fire station, while they may have been closer, they might not have been able to help, while a hospital certainly will. I find no fault with the mom for driving her to a hospital. It's a split second decision, one she hopes will save her daughter's life. Such a horrible loss. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
I would start for the hospital right away
Me too. That’s doesn’t seem weird to me. Especially in 1996. My husband cut his foot off on a 4 wheeler and he had me drive him to the hospital. It just happened so fast and it was the first thing we thought and we had cells phones.
Yeah absolutely. Now a days I might call 911, but in 96 nah definitely would've scooped and drove her straight to hospital. Clinics weren't a thing in my area in the 90's-early 2000s so that wouldn't have been an option.
I agree! I see my daughter like that you can bet your ass I’m getting her to the hospital asap! Every minute counts when you’re a mother seeing your child hurt. You want your child to be better immediately. Your brain goes into get help fast I would imagine. I would’ve done the same… Not sure why people are critical of that? That’s Weird to me.
In 96 she probably did not have a mobile. I would for sure have headed for the hospital. Even if she could call, how long would it be before the paramedics arrived. I am from the UK, so I have no idea. Here you are lucky to get an ambulance in less than 30 minutes, then they still have to drive to the hospital.
Yeah I think that would have been my first instinct as well...especially since the car was right there.
The exact thing with the kid sitting on the bumper in exactly the same way, only in this case there was road rash but child survived. The cause of the fall in this case was a bump on the road.
Maybe it would have been a mistake but I can absolutely relate to what the mother did. I would probably have done the same. She probably said to herself that the pros might take almost as long as the drive to the hospital. I would have yes, done the same.
The Mom is the only person who can tell what happened. She Fell out mom took her to hospital 😢
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And also Chris died in a car accident in 2020
If there was a random hit and run 1) the would not have randomly moved her body around the bend. They would have hidden it or taken it 2) if they hit her and moved her around the block did they also pick up every single shard of broken glass and car pieces? 3) there was no blood or tire marks ANYWHERE 4) a crime of opportunity abduction is so rare add on top of that a stranger abduction even more rare
When my cousin was 6, she and her brother would sit against their station wagon and she fell out on a busy bridge. Her brother started screaming Mary fell out Mary fell out. If not for the brother the dad didn’t realize she fell out & fortunately the car behind saw it and stopped in time to not hit her. Maine mom was drinking.
$5,000 reward even back then is pathetic. $50,000 would have been more appropriate. I've always thought she tried to hold on and the mother discovered what happened and couldn't accept the responsibility for the accident.
I'd often wondered if rewards were kept low intentionally for a purpose, and I asked ChatGPT and indeed, they're kept low for practical and ethical reasons often. The main one is to prevent a flood of tips that aren't genuine but just hoping to get the reward. There are ethical and legal other concerns, too.
I can't help but wonder if when she asked to walk home she assumed her mom would be going the same way as her, the shorter route. If she notices mom is going to be going the other direction and she would be totally out of sight, at 6 that could seem scary. Could she have possibly at the last second decided she didn't want to walk alone if mom was going the other direction and before mom starts pulling off she runs up and tries to get it at the same time the mom is pulling away? It doesn't necessarily have to be that she tried to hold on to the outside of the car, she could have been trying to get back inside. If we scratch everything the mom says, the accident could have happened not far from the mailboxes and if she make it in time to open the door as mom is pulling off the door could have swung open throwing her to the ground or who knows maybe she didn't even get to that point yet and was just running back to try and get in the car and something happened. Besides the 8 year old brother (who it sounds like never spoke as an adult on his memories of that day publicly before his death) she's the only one who "saw" her daughter in that round about laid out in the road. I don't know but it just seems odd to me that in a neighborhood like that no neighbors would have come out to the commotion. Whether that be in the time the accident happened or when the mother discovers her. But if the accident took place at the opening of the subdivision or whatever you call this loop then I could see there being no witnesses. I think the mom or even neighbors would have had to have seen another car if someone else had been involved in such a short time frame, but that's just me speculating. Either way total tragedy.
I agree with you. Think she grabbed onto the car cause she realized she’d be alone and the mom didn’t know so she was pulled for a few seconds and then had to let go.
Clearly fell from car the mums.
41:35 Seeing the *type* of car, I can now *completely* understand how a small child could essentially sit on that back bumper, and hide. It seems pretty obvious she fell out of the car. Perhaps they had agreed she'd walk home, & then thought it'd be clever/funny to arrive home at the same time as Mom! I could fully see a 6 yo hiding on the back to be silly, without realizing the danger she was in. Maybe the mom didn't know this, but then realized she wasn't home in time, so drove back, perhaps with the immediate realization of what could've happened.
I have tried to be open that she could have rode on the bumper but I just don't see how if she fell off that seconds she would have screamed even for a second. Would her mom and brother had heard? That her brother has passed is tragic too. I just don't know what to think.
As a teen I fell out of the back of a truck bed. I didn't have time to make any noise, and the driver had to be alerted by the other people in the truck bed. I also hit my head (thankfully relatively gently) in the fall.
It was super hot that day, probably ac on, windows closed.
14:03 I’ve had an emergency with my child before, to even suggest that a parent should remember to and be able to calculate anticipated arrival times and then compare driving to 911, which in a big city can take ages even decades ago, seems at best ill-conceived and, at worst, grasping at straws to demonize the mother. I’d prefer to only hear reasonable evidence, not the practice of twisting any detail into the narrative you are crafting.
I’ve took picture her mom looking through the mail, barely rolling away and the little girl jumping on the car. I did that so many times myself and fell many of them.
If Nancy was going around the speed limit, it doesn’t seem like the fall off the bumper would have resulted in the little girls death!
She passed away from head trauma. She was found in the road at the curve. The coroner said that she was not hit by a car. Common sense and logic tells what happened.
I fell out of the back of a truck bed that suddenly accelerated from a stop. Even that little fall, going like 3 miles an hour caused me to hit the back of my head pretty solidly on the pavement. People can die just hitting their head on pavement from standing if they can't break their fall. So if she fell backwards, it absolutely could absolutely happen.
My ex husband fell off his little bike as a child and almost died from a head injury. People die from falling from a standing position, hit their heads and die pretty often. My mom tripped and fell in her carpeted bedroom, hit her head resulting in a massive brain bleed. She survived but it took her 6 months to recover.
What kind of injuries? Wouldn't that be very important to point to what happened?😊
It seems most likely she fell from the mother's vehicle. However, I would like to see some models of different scenarios. Depending on the injury to her hip, I don't think it's far off to think she could have been hit by a vehicle and thrown, hitting her head and getting the scrape marks to her body.
Also, what about the possibility of a side mirror striking her and causing the injury to her head?
Destination Anywhere.
Maybe not so unbelievable, for the brother.
Without a cell phone, she would have had to drive back home, leaving her son with Katherine, make the call, then return. The ambulance _may_ have arrived within 10 minutes but it _may_ have taken half an hour or even longer. It's just impossible to know. General practitioners are not really much use, as most GPs can only provide first aid then call an ambulance. And if there is a closer medical centre or hospital, where is it?
She would have to move her off the road, not only because of heat but you are not advised in any first aid course to leave someone on a road. So I can understand why should would scoop her up and go straight to hospital. At the very least, you _know_ you are going to get the best care possible within 25 minutes. That certainty could make this the preferable choice.
Anyone who says that calling the ambulance was _definitely_ the better option doesn't know what they're talking about.
Parents let their kids ride all kinds of ways on little roads like this
I don't think a six year old would think to ride on the outside of a car. Teens would do it tho. I think it was a hit and run
Both of the kids may have been mucking around on the back of the car, I don't think answers will ever be known.
Remember this from Bon Jovi also. Sad. I believe she most likely fell from the vehicle after sneaking onto it unbeknownst to her Mom. As kids, used to "Hookie-Bob" on icy roads in Montana. We grabbed the bumpers of the busses and basically skated on the ice behind them. Kids do unexpected and dangerous things that parents wouldn't fathom.
My guess is hit and run. RIP sweet girl.
What would be the point of abducting someone for 10 minutes or so? What could you really do to them in that short of time? Especially if you only had a car and no home or shelter to take her to...idk, that just doesnt make sense to me....
Without having cell phones back then, I think I truly would have done the same thing! I think I could have got her there faster than getting to a phone and waiting.
I wonder if there was a tow hitch on the vehicle?
Saying the neighbors house doesn't always mean the next door neighbors house. I call people neighbors and would say my neighbors house about their home and they are more than a block away. The people in my neighborhood are my neighbors but since my house is on the corner I only refer to one neighbor as my next door neighbor.
Not sure if he touches on it but i recently was googling to see if there were any updates and saw where Chris, Catherine’s brother grew up to become a cop in TX and tragically died in a car crash on duty a few years ago. The family can’t catch a break.
Something doesn’t feel right… I have 8 year old granddaughters. I wouldn’t let them walk around the block alone nor together. I think the mother has something to do with this. Either way, it makes me sick. Whether the mother is completely innocent or not, she will pay the full price of that decision for the rest of her life and it’s like having a death sentence…
Just a note on the position-a person in fetal position has arms and legs bent and held close to the body. It is impossible to be in fetal position and have legs extended. It is not accurate. What is the actual position?
Would a parent of a 'murdered' or assaulted child, really want Bon Jovi, or any celebrity musician, recording a song about the details of the childs death, murder or assault...details down to the date and so called exact timing?? A song played all over the world by a famous band... That is incredibly odd!!
48:06 Mhmmhm, this is very tragic. Now I feel like the mom will never admit the likely truth that her daughter fell off her back bumper.
As tiny as she was she might have jumped up in front of the SUV, sat on the bumper and the mom might have never seen her or even realized she ran her over. She was driving a suburban, those are very large vehicles, you probably wouldnt see a small child directly in front of it trying to squat on the front bumper.
Maybe I missed something, but why would the mom drive the long way around to the house? She would of had to have driven that way for the falling off the bumper scenario to have happened.
There are alot of really bizarre murders and mysterious deaths closely linked to the music industry..
Cops debunked the description in which Katherines body was found, which is correct she was curled up in fetal position. Mother also says she was found in that spot. I doubt that as well. If you listen to the unsolved mysteries episode, the PI says “the day of katherines acc- death” wanting to say accident. She knows exactly what happened. Remember the family has money. Money makes things go away
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I would never let a little girl walk alone, no matter how safe the neighborhood is. I know what's lurking out there. Hell is too good for the monsters that can come out of the woodwork.
In today’s world me either. But back in the 90’s my kids played in our neighborhood, rode bikes, went to their friends houses with no issues in our neighborhood. Especially when you know the neighborhood and even back then we had neighborhood watch.
I also would not allow a 6 year old child to collect and bring home the mail from such a distance; I had my 8 year old niece do the same from a mailbox a few yards away, and I had to yell at her for dropping items as she was coming back to the house. This is especially true if a parent is a manager in the recording industry. The whole story sounded off, even when it was shown 30 years ago.
It was a very different time and people felt the world was safer back then.
I wonder if she had her hands on the tailgate latch and both feet on the bumper. Her back would be towards the road. Perhaps the gate did open in route. If I was the private investigator I'd probably stray from this possibility as well $$$
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29:22 thought it was strange how the mom parked so far away from her. Maybe the reenactment wasn’t 100% accurate
Has anyone looked into the possibility of a neighborhood kid having a fourwheeler/moped/go cart? I wrecked a fourwheeler once and cracked a quarter size hole in the helmet and got road rash.
I don't know why they are talking about being a black belt in self-defence, she was 6. I don't believe she would have been intentionally hanging onto the back of the car. Again, a 6 year old girl, not a teenage boy.
Could a family that knew them accidentally have hit her, not realized how bad the injuries were , started to bring her home & then panicked & put her out of the car if they thought she had passed?
Also, riding the bumper sounds very plausible. It seems to check the boxes.
I think they stopped and got the mail and she opened the door after maybe wanting to walk and her mom said no then she open the door and fell out
Typical fetal is knees drawn up towards the chin
What about the neighbors son being alone wgen Katherine went to ask about her
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Why would the neighbors son be home alone?
I don’t think she necessarily sat on the bumper. She may have stood on the bumper and held on to a hatch handle. Of course one would have to see the design of the back of the car. With her body higher than if she had been sitting she could have hit the pavement harder. The question I have about this whole idea is, I would have expected her body to be thrown at the apex of the curve and then thrown farther away in the opposite direction of the motion of the car. Not 20 or more feet farther along the route as shown.
18:33 there ARE sidewalks in that view you showed. I know thats from nowadays but just wanted to point that out.
There’s no sidewalks
@@Brea95they're not marked off as a separate space but if you look closely, there is a sidewalk on each side. You can tell it's a sidewalk and not part of the road by the seperated blocks of cement.
@@hayleymariemills those are gutters not sidewalks
Could she have been struck by materials sticking out of the side of a construction vehicle that passed her?