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  • Can you solve these fun problems? Problem 1, thanks to Kanad for the suggestion!
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    4:36 solution 2
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  • @danmerget
    @danmerget 4 місяці тому +7

    I solved the second one slightly differently, although it still served as a telescoping solution. I expanded the numerator in each term to get (x^2 - 1)/(x^2), which factored into (x-1)(x+1)/(x^2). The vast majority of the terms in the numerator and denominator cancelled out; for example, the (3^2) in the denominator cancelled out with the (2+1) and (4-1) in the numerator. After all the cancellations, you're left with (2-1)(2023+1)/(2*2023), which reduces to the same answer you got.

  • @how-about-no_56
    @how-about-no_56 4 місяці тому +8

    The first one is indeed very famous in India, I've seen it thrice in the course of a month in different books. For context, I'm a highschooler.

  • @vibhashrivastava8846
    @vibhashrivastava8846 4 місяці тому +17

    IIT asked this years ago, any aspirant can just look at the question and ans directly if he knows the trick.

    • @drawforge3920
      @drawforge3920 4 місяці тому +5

      I agree
      These type of sums always have substitution of x-1,x-2 or 2x etc
      Basically simple expressions are to be substituted

    • @ExtraSwift
      @ExtraSwift 4 місяці тому +2

      Yeah man, didn't even need to lift a pen for the first one. They are both standard problems.

    • @Anmol_Sinha
      @Anmol_Sinha 4 місяці тому +2

      True lol

    • @frendlyleaf6187
      @frendlyleaf6187 4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah man I didn't even have to be born to solve this cuz I already did it like lifetimes ago, right?

    • @how-about-no_56
      @how-about-no_56 4 місяці тому

      Yeah it's everywhere around here lol

  • @luckykumar3338
    @luckykumar3338 4 місяці тому +6

    Love from India ❤🙏

  • @aayushmohan514
    @aayushmohan514 Місяць тому +1

    for question 2 i did it in this way-
    Let S be that product then,
    ln(s)= summation of ln[1-1/(r^2)] where r varies from 2 to 2023.
    Now, [1-1/(r^2)] = [(r^2-1)/r^2] = [(r+1)(r-1)]/r^2
    implies, ln[1-1/(r^2)]= ln[(r+1)(r-1)/r^2] = [ln(r+1) - ln r] + [ln(r-1) - lnr]
    since lnr^2= 2ln r.
    above sum is telescoping series hence you will get s=1012/2023

  • @tg0406
    @tg0406 4 місяці тому +3

    The second one is quite classic in morocco

  • @Faylasoofe-kaa
    @Faylasoofe-kaa 4 місяці тому +14

    I solved the second problem easily, but the first was a challenge. Thank you though for the difference of square explanation!

    • @semvhu1494
      @semvhu1494 4 місяці тому +3

      I was the opposite. I got the first one just fine but couldn't get the second one. I slapped my forehead when he showed the simplification.

    • @UTforever
      @UTforever 3 місяці тому +1

      @@semvhu1494 same here, first was easy, for second one i thought of a2-b2 as well but had no clue how to proceed further 😅

  • @sidimed1956
    @sidimed1956 4 місяці тому +12

    We love preshtalwalker that’s all

  • @DaBruhMe
    @DaBruhMe 4 місяці тому +1

    Honestly, very fun series questions

  • @aaryan8104
    @aaryan8104 3 місяці тому +1

    for question 2 i used geometric series for odd numbers and whatnot for alternating numbers(3/4,24/25,48/49 and so on)which led to nothing
    Thanks for the solution Presh!!

  • @MATHUP869
    @MATHUP869 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for your shareing Master

  • @Zajantor
    @Zajantor 4 місяці тому +2

    The first problem I got right by estimation. Since I'm watching from my phone in bed I needed a lazy solution. First x input is close to 0 and last x input is close to 1. F(0) = 1/3 and F(1) = 2/3. So the sum is a sum of a bunch of numbers in the range of 1/3 to 2/3 that are gradually increasing. Let's say the average value is the average of these fractions = 1/2. # of terms is 1996. Multiply by average value to get 998. I'm not claiming this is an accurate way to get the exact answer, but rather a good estimate. It just so happened in this case that my estimate was exactly right.

  • @CompactCognition
    @CompactCognition 3 місяці тому

    These are the types of solutions you're only going to remember when you're engaged with maths on a regular basis. Bravo.

  • @Dreamprism
    @Dreamprism 4 місяці тому

    Good problems.

  • @neetudhakar2797
    @neetudhakar2797 4 місяці тому +2

    I solved the first one in a school test in grade 9th, thats was easy if you observed the fact that f(x)+f(1-x)=1

  • @chandranisahanone
    @chandranisahanone 4 місяці тому

    The second one is Superr easy! I have done problem a couple of times.
    Btw , Awespme explanation and animation❤❤❤❤

  • @windofchange-pg5jk
    @windofchange-pg5jk 4 місяці тому

    thank you.

  • @adamschofield2789
    @adamschofield2789 4 місяці тому +1

    I did the second problem slightly differently: If you take an initial step of putting everything in each parentheses over the same denominator then you get the total denominator as (2023!)^2, then pairing the + and - difference of squares terms gives a series of 1..2022 and 3..2024, which you can tweak to be expressed in terms of 2023! and the fraction falls out.

  •  4 місяці тому +1

    Moroccans love you !

  • @user-hf2ry1wf3t
    @user-hf2ry1wf3t 4 місяці тому +1

    By the way the series in the first problem works because 4 is the square of 2. If you change 4 and 2 to say 25 and 5 respectively, you would still get 998

  • @jalma9643
    @jalma9643 4 місяці тому +1

    So i would like to ask a website where i could get to see problem and their solution. I am preparing for some olympiad and i need some exercise to sharpen my mind

  • @studyspectra_1980
    @studyspectra_1980 4 місяці тому

    I solved it 😃

  • @vedantanjankar
    @vedantanjankar 4 місяці тому

    Similar question was asked in JEE ADVANCED 2020!!

  • @cguy96
    @cguy96 4 місяці тому +1

    In the 2nd problem, if you replace the problem with an infinite “series”, it converges to 1/2.

    • @SidneiMV
      @SidneiMV 4 місяці тому

      Yes. It's true 😊 (because the last term will tend to 1)

    • @cguy96
      @cguy96 4 місяці тому

      @@SidneiMVyes, I know!

  • @hansmathematics
    @hansmathematics 4 місяці тому

    In Korea, the above solution is learned at the age of 14~^^

  • @smylesg
    @smylesg 4 місяці тому

    4:34 Wow = and that's the answer.

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 4 місяці тому

      Well yeah, since "and that's the answer" is said only in the end of each video.

  • @matthewjames7513
    @matthewjames7513 4 місяці тому

    I approximated the first problem using calculus: first let △=1/1997 and use riemann integral
    f(△)△+f(2△)△+f(3△)△+...+f(1996△)△ ≈ ∫ f(x) dx with limits from 0 to 1
    Divide both sides by △:
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ (1/△) ∫ f(x) dx with limits from 0 to 1
    Note that f(x) = (1/ln(4)) * ln(4)*4^x / (4^x+2) which can be integrated easily
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ (1/ln(4)△) ln(4^x+2) with limits from 0 to 1
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ (1/ln(4)△) (ln(6) - ln(3))
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ 1997*ln(2)/ln(4)
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ 1997/2
    f(△)+f(2△)+f(3△)+...+f(1996△) ≈ 998.5

  • @bobzarnke1706
    @bobzarnke1706 4 місяці тому

    Re: Problem 1. The slightly more general function f(x) = a^x/(a^x+√a) for any a > 0 also satisfies f(x)+f(1-x) = 1. The only polynomial that satisfies it is f(x) = x. So, I'm curious what other
    functions satisfy f(x)+f(1-x) = 1?

  • @thirumuthukumaran
    @thirumuthukumaran Місяць тому

    Problem 1 is a JEE (Main) Previous Year Question solved by high-school graduating students.

  • @xavier9577
    @xavier9577 3 місяці тому

    where did he get x998 from? 😢

  • @iuer4643
    @iuer4643 4 місяці тому

    the arithmetic mean of 2 approximations (1996/3 and 1996*2/3) i did for the first problem is 997.95, close enough for me xD

  • @shohamsen8986
    @shohamsen8986 4 місяці тому

    998

  • @hajardalaa
    @hajardalaa 4 місяці тому

    Can someone please explain to me how did we get 998

  • @deerh2o
    @deerh2o 4 місяці тому +2

    While you got that 1012/2023 is the answer for the second; you forgot to show that 1012 and 2023 are relatively prime. 2023 factors to 7 x 17 x 17. Since neither 7 or 17 is a factor of 1012; 1012/2023 is in lowest terms. Or you could have proven that a fraction in the form of n/(2n-1) is automatically in lowest terms.

    • @mike1024.
      @mike1024. 4 місяці тому +2

      That's a neat little point on the n/(2n-1). Let p > 1 be a factor of n (doesn't have to be prime but I'm using p anyway). Then n = pk for some integer k, so 2n - 1 = 2pk - 1. Clearly p is a factor of 2pk but is not a factor of 1, so p is not a factor of 2pk - 1. Thus, n and 2n - 1 have no common factors.

  • @pratimbhattacharya4162
    @pratimbhattacharya4162 4 місяці тому

    Those who know presh gave this q long ago

  • @zinolartiste2619
    @zinolartiste2619 4 місяці тому +1

    As an Algerian, We usually solve the problem from Morocco in less that 5 minutes at age of 17, not because we are Geniuses, we just see a lot of problems from this type.

    • @ClarkKent-bz9tf
      @ClarkKent-bz9tf 4 місяці тому

      well ours does it in less then 3 mins from same age

    • @henrymarkson3758
      @henrymarkson3758 4 місяці тому +9

      In my country we do these problems in about 5 seconds at age three, blindfolded while doing 100 press-ups

    • @mangbubukid7130
      @mangbubukid7130 4 місяці тому

      in my country we solve this problem in 5 days...

    • @tasselaz
      @tasselaz 2 місяці тому

      Well in Morocco, we solve this kind of problem at the age of 15 ( BTW I'm 15 )

  • @mike1024.
    @mike1024. 4 місяці тому +86

    Hi Presh, please read this feedback and implement it. I've said it many times and it doesn't seem to get anywhere. When you do a video with multiple problems, please either rearrange the videos so that you introduce the second problem after the first solution or at least review the second problem after the first solution. If I have to skip around in the videos in order to see it in a logical order, then the order must be wrong.

    • @user-bw3dy3vk8i
      @user-bw3dy3vk8i 4 місяці тому +10

      Hey dude, it's not that much of a big deal man it's only a maximum of 3 to 4 problems

    • @keenaneisermann883
      @keenaneisermann883 4 місяці тому +3

      Seemed pretty organized to me. Introduced the first question, then the second question, and then solved the first question, then the second question. If all else fails, Presh also took the liberty of labelling the parts of the video to be 1st solution and second solution.

    • @mike1024.
      @mike1024. 4 місяці тому +5

      I think the number of likes say most people agree with me. Thank you all for helping this feedback be so easily noticed! Myself, I usually do as much of the problem in my head as I can, so I'm not ready for the next problem until I've seen his solution for the current problem. Like I said, even if he doesn't change the order, at least give a refresher of the second problem before presenting its solution.

    • @keenaneisermann883
      @keenaneisermann883 4 місяці тому +2

      @mike1024. I'm glad that so many people agree with you. I am not saying you're wrong. I suppose it is only me that finds it easy to follow. I will glady help this get more attention if it helps you learn better in the future. Presh makes videos for people to be stimulated and learn, and if his current format isn't doing that for you, then perhaps he does need to change it. However, being the busy person they are, perhaps be grateful we have this content and make a step of your own to solve your dilema and use a pen and paper.

    • @michaelblankenau6598
      @michaelblankenau6598 4 місяці тому

      Why should he implement a change just to satisfy you ? Isn’t that a bit presumptuous?

  • @Dionisi0
    @Dionisi0 4 місяці тому

    1st problem has a mistake, it has an odd numer of elementes, the actual answer is 998.5

    • @mike1024.
      @mike1024. 4 місяці тому

      The numerators are counting the terms from 1 to 1996, which is an even number of terms. If this were, say 1/1998 to 1997/1998, I agree more work would have to be done with the middle term.

  • @ZelenoJabko
    @ZelenoJabko 4 місяці тому

    Presh Deadwalker

  • @GourabBordoloi
    @GourabBordoloi 4 місяці тому +1

    Every jee aspirants knows the ans .

    • @Maths_3.1415
      @Maths_3.1415 4 місяці тому +5

      I don't know why JEE aspirants think that they are something special.
      JEE aspirants always show off in the comment section.