@@Wyrdist Y'all realize that "soiled" in this context, could also just mean that his loincloth was simply made dirty from wearing it continuously, not necessarily that he shat himself.
Evil creates evil, which in turn creates still more evil in retribution. An unending cycle of violence, hate, and revenge. Even Hornsent seems to have realized this, considering how he clings to Miquella to "redeem" his clan.
Hornsent is how the revenge plot should be handled. A lot of games try and fail to properly show the effects of revenge, but Hornsent correctly shows the effects of either succeeding or failing.
It’s so sad that Hornsent was absorbed by his revenge. He had an understandable goal that some tarnished might resonate with, but in the end vengeance only results in tragedy.
If hornsent's braid is a vow of revenge... Consider Marika's braid given to her grandmother in a vow If her entire people were wiped out, one thread in the braid for each lost soul, to count the hairs in a full braid is an endless task to say the least It was a vow of revenge against the Rauh and all their gods, to put them all to the blade, to scorch them away. How sad that her braid added cords to another, an unending cycle that spirals forever
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beautiful. would we not fan the flames if all we loved were put to death? anger would sweep us away. revenge is hard to quell when all around are enemies.
Despite everyone's oppinion, I love this guy, and I'll help him everytime. For some reason he never appeared on Romina's temple, nor final battle, so basically, in my playthrough, he go away after his revenge was finished. A perfect ending.
Awesome video! Hornsent was already one of my favorite new npcs but these ideas made me love him even more he’s almost like a horned Batman becoming a symbol for his people while mostly being motivated by the loss of his family. Also my mind was blown when you suggested he could be a blacksmith because not only is this literally the first time I’ve ever heard anyone suggest he was anything other than a potentate because of the mask, but your suggestion actually makes so much more sense in hindsight especially considering the falx item description mentioned he FORGED them himself and only started wielding them after the crusade (Awesome find btw I can’t believe I never put that together myself). If he was a potentate before then why not just use the giant cleaver he should already own to get vengeance? It seems very much like a Miyazaki thing to do in hindsight to misdirect the players into really stereotyping this tragic npc because he happens to be wearing armor linking him to a faction the player will definitely hate(it’s entirely possible he put his outfit together from scraps he scavenged off his people if he truly lost EVERYTHING in the fires including his clothes). He might still have been one ultimately and we’ll never know but thanks for sharing actual new ideas to consider, again great video !
He wears this mask because their effect of vanish feelings and remorse, he basically wears it because he is, in fact, a good person, and need extra help to do this terrible job.
This is a form of the spiral the hornsent worship. The Bonny Villagers persecute and visit unspeakable cruelty on the Shamans, and this begets Marika's retribution whose flames ultimately take the lives of Hornsent's wife and child, forging him into an avenger. So, we fight and kill Messmer with him, but this isn't enough. Vengeance was going to turn Hornsent into the very monster he hated and he would have created an avenger in turn. It's interesting.... Castellan Edgar parallels Hornsent. He prioritises the Grafted Greatsword, the sword of Castle Morne, over his daughter's safety and she dies because she was alone and defenceless. So, he swears vengeance on ALL the Misbegotten for this and becomes so crazed by his bloodlust that he attacks us in Liurnia, leaving us no choice but to kill him.
It’s hard to feel bad for the people that started this whole situation in the first place. If they hadn’t subjugated the shamans then marika would never have needed to seek revenge on them. Then the mockery of calling their subjugation sainthood is just twisted
To be fair Marika isnt much better she left her son to wage a war on her behalf had two of her omen children thrown into a sewers that are known for dehorning omens
@@travisjackson5398 could we have a moment to talk about how the Bonny village shamans seems to be related to Eiglay, god eating serpent, who is evil? Or how Nanaya, maybe a shaman too, take an innocent wise old man and his disciples and put all into frenzied flame business? And what about Marika, the degenerate monster that only breeds defective sons that bring so much disgrace to the world, and constatly use them and abandon them like dogs? Shamans are EVIL.
@@travisjackson5398 mayhaps, in the end it doesn't matter who started what or where or why in the end Marika chose her path, and she never regretted it until her "pure" child was killed by another demigod throwing a tantrum and even then she just abandoned the lands between to eternal war, the hornsent were wrong but so is Marika, the hornsent jarred people she made her own people either kill or lock away their own children, the only one in the right is Godfrey, mabye morgott if we want to get technical and the tarnished of no renown beyond that every demigod is basically another bad guy whether they know it or not, in the end the problem lies with a cycle of abuse that not even ranni escapes from hell she just makes a new one via her age of stars ending where the outergods run free, the rot is probably gonna go unchecked and deathroots gonna cause unlimited pain, the cycle of abuse just moves onward until the tarnished of no renown does something about it and he can't do anything without the elden ring and most if not all demi gods dead
This does assume all hornsent were onboard with these religious practices. He does call his own people "rueful," so it's possible he saw them as wrong in their persecution of the shamans
I'm only assuming, but perhaps hornsent went to Bony Village to learn how to kill/butcher and adopt the caterpillar mask to keep focus on his journey for revenge, possibly knowing of the potentates reputation?
I think there's an old saying, and I might misquote it here: When you follow the path of revenge, dig two graves. Hornsent is the perfect example of this. He followed a path of revenge, and all it really did is cost him his life. Even when he achieves his goal, it brings him no piece. Also, I think the reason he doesn't give you his name is because he abandoned it. In his eyes, his name died the day he lost his family, so he became a symbol of vengeance, no longer a man.
all those people who seek vengeance shall meet their own death in the end, just like Hornsent. Vengeance consumed him and We the Tarnished have to kill him to end the cycle of vengeance.
By far my Favorite npc in ledas group, you can’t really hate em for what he becomes all he wanted was vengeance for his clan/wife and kid/ wish there was a way to bring him to our side during the final showdown
@@darksoul2fanSTG said he BELIEVES he is a blacksmith because of the weapon description and that he only wears the mask for the side benefits it is supposed to give. I disagree, the mask description directly says that it was worn specifically by the potentates performing the ritual at bonny village. So if hornsent has it, then he was probably one of the potentates. STG even asks at the end if we think this is the case over his theory and I believe it is, especially given how we are shown how bloodthirsty hornsent really is after killing messmer.
In my first play through, 🤔 Hornsent Grandam said ‘vessel of the sacred beast have my son accompany thee to war’ so I thought hornsent’s family didn’t die but sent him off to avenge their burnt tower. Helping Leda to beat him simply made him a failure so he could go back to his family. 😅
Revenge is his sole purpose of exiating. If we take that away from him, he loses his purpose. That's why he would be so easily manipulated into joining Leda.
I normally don't like it when NPC's can't be saved, but it suits Hornsent as a character due to him being obsessed with vengeance. Leda's character is much the same, both being driven by bloodthirst. Living for revenge can really only end with death and a cycle of even more revenge. If anything, the best outcome is us denying Hornsent his vengeance. He and Leda go on to turn on us regardless of how much we help them both, so overcome by their own bloodlust that they doomed themselves out of a happy ending.
Irl, these are called "cycles of abuse". They're seen a lot in familial lines, where bad, abusive or neglectful parenting decisions are passed down from generation to generation, under the guise of "that's how my parents did it", but frequently there's a deep, unrecognized vengeance element to it. The stories of Marika, Messmer, Hornsent are all part of a cycle of abuse - started by an industrious, power-seeking culture (the hornsent themselves)... It has many real world parallels. If you draw the allegory out to its logical conclusion, it makes it clear why electing governments focused on peace, progress and understanding are so important. Because nation-level retaliation locks us all into an recurring cycle of dysfunction, suffering, retaliation from afar, and trauma-induced abuses from within. This is why kids from abusive homes often becomes bullies, why the middle east is so perpetually broken, and why Russia was so keen for Trump to win. Elden Ring warned us (as did the bible, but no one in America actually reads that)
I'm just sayin, a lot of people are waaaaay too comfortable lumping all of the Hornsent together and assuming they were all on board with what happened to the Shamans and thus all equally worthy of death...it's really refreshing to see a more realistic, nuanced view of the conflict!
Thank you. I feel like by calling his own people "rueful" it opens up the idea that there were hornsent who saw how barbarous their practices were, didn't necessarily agree with them, but didn't have the power to do anything about it.
Both the Golden Order and The Hornsent got what they deserved.....that's all I'm gonna say to that. Neither of them are more right. They both subjugated others for the sake of securing their ways of life
I feel no sympathy for the HORNSENT that basically massacred a village of peaceful shamans and turn them into living jars. i say they get what they deserve.
I felt bad for hornsent until I remembered that he wears the caterpillar mask.
And he soiled his drawers too
Same!😂
@@dazmaz1269 yea the “lightly soiled loincloth” makes him cringe. 0/10 Ansbach doesn’t have a poopy diaper and is better
@@Wyrdist Y'all realize that "soiled" in this context, could also just mean that his loincloth was simply made dirty from wearing it continuously, not necessarily that he shat himself.
@@rngxro2368 yes but the idea of his loincloth being slightly shat in is funnier
But why did this guy assume I was aligned with the Erdtree when almost every living being in the Lands Between is hostile to me?
In his eyes all tarnished are aligned with the erdtree.
It would’ve been cool to have a different response if you chose the frenzy flame ending
@@punk078910Horsent absolutely hate Frenzy as well.
Evil creates evil, which in turn creates still more evil in retribution. An unending cycle of violence, hate, and revenge. Even Hornsent seems to have realized this, considering how he clings to Miquella to "redeem" his clan.
Hornsent is how the revenge plot should be handled. A lot of games try and fail to properly show the effects of revenge, but Hornsent correctly shows the effects of either succeeding or failing.
until the tarnished of no renown comes along, then it gets weird
It’s so sad that Hornsent was absorbed by his revenge. He had an understandable goal that some tarnished might resonate with, but in the end vengeance only results in tragedy.
“They were no saints, just on the loosing side of a war”
A statement true for so much of history.
Bro was trying hard to become Igon
In vengeance for the flames, my blades I wield 🗣🗣🗣
If hornsent's braid is a vow of revenge...
Consider Marika's braid given to her grandmother in a vow
If her entire people were wiped out, one thread in the braid for each lost soul, to count the hairs in a full braid is an endless task to say the least
It was a vow of revenge against the Rauh and all their gods, to put them all to the blade, to scorch them away.
How sad that her braid added cords to another, an unending cycle that spirals forever
"STG liked your comment" I think you mean senpai noticed me
I love these videos! You should make a Bloodborne lore series!
I love your videos, I have trouble with insomnia and you really help me fall asleep with the visual elements and your soothing voice. I hope your channel grows explonentially as you are doing amazing work :) thank you truly.
Awesome! For those who seek vengeance, only death awaits. Dig 2 graves my guy! 👀👌
Something about “Dig 2 graves my guy!” Is both morbid and silly in such a unique way lmao. It’s like something goku or ash Ketchum would say
beautiful. would we not fan the flames if all we loved were put to death? anger would sweep us away. revenge is hard to quell when all around are enemies.
10/10 character easily
Despite everyone's oppinion, I love this guy, and I'll help him everytime. For some reason he never appeared on Romina's temple, nor final battle, so basically, in my playthrough, he go away after his revenge was finished. A perfect ending.
Awesome video! Hornsent was already one of my favorite new npcs but these ideas made me love him even more he’s almost like a horned Batman becoming a symbol for his people while mostly being motivated by the loss of his family. Also my mind was blown when you suggested he could be a blacksmith because not only is this literally the first time I’ve ever heard anyone suggest he was anything other than a potentate because of the mask, but your suggestion actually makes so much more sense in hindsight especially considering the falx item description mentioned he FORGED them himself and only started wielding them after the crusade (Awesome find btw I can’t believe I never put that together myself). If he was a potentate before then why not just use the giant cleaver he should already own to get vengeance? It seems very much like a Miyazaki thing to do in hindsight to misdirect the players into really stereotyping this tragic npc because he happens to be wearing armor linking him to a faction the player will definitely hate(it’s entirely possible he put his outfit together from scraps he scavenged off his people if he truly lost EVERYTHING in the fires including his clothes). He might still have been one ultimately and we’ll never know but thanks for sharing actual new ideas to consider, again great video !
He wears this mask because their effect of vanish feelings and remorse, he basically wears it because he is, in fact, a good person, and need extra help to do this terrible job.
This is a form of the spiral the hornsent worship.
The Bonny Villagers persecute and visit unspeakable cruelty on the Shamans, and this begets Marika's retribution whose flames ultimately take the lives of Hornsent's wife and child, forging him into an avenger. So, we fight and kill Messmer with him, but this isn't enough. Vengeance was going to turn Hornsent into the very monster he hated and he would have created an avenger in turn.
It's interesting.... Castellan Edgar parallels Hornsent. He prioritises the Grafted Greatsword, the sword of Castle Morne, over his daughter's safety and she dies because she was alone and defenceless. So, he swears vengeance on ALL the Misbegotten for this and becomes so crazed by his bloodlust that he attacks us in Liurnia, leaving us no choice but to kill him.
My favorite charachter from the DLC
He thought he was the MC and got humbled, truly a tragedy
am i the only one who thinks the hornsent got what they deserved for their genocide and torture of the shamans?
I don’t really look at it as a tragedy. I look at it as why would u go against the force of nature that gave life in the beginning of time
It’s hard to feel bad for the people that started this whole situation in the first place. If they hadn’t subjugated the shamans then marika would never have needed to seek revenge on them. Then the mockery of calling their subjugation sainthood is just twisted
Its incredibly evil. I wouldnt be shocked if the Gateway that grants Divinity was made up of the Shamen as well.
To be fair Marika isnt much better she left her son to wage a war on her behalf had two of her omen children thrown into a sewers that are known for dehorning omens
@@justinroux1610yes but would all that have happened if her people weren’t slaughtered and Jared?
@@travisjackson5398 could we have a moment to talk about how the Bonny village shamans seems to be related to Eiglay, god eating serpent, who is evil? Or how Nanaya, maybe a shaman too, take an innocent wise old man and his disciples and put all into frenzied flame business? And what about Marika, the degenerate monster that only breeds defective sons that bring so much disgrace to the world, and constatly use them and abandon them like dogs?
Shamans are EVIL.
@@travisjackson5398 mayhaps, in the end it doesn't matter who started what or where or why in the end Marika chose her path, and she never regretted it until her "pure" child was killed by another demigod throwing a tantrum and even then she just abandoned the lands between to eternal war, the hornsent were wrong but so is Marika, the hornsent jarred people she made her own people either kill or lock away their own children, the only one in the right is Godfrey, mabye morgott if we want to get technical and the tarnished of no renown beyond that every demigod is basically another bad guy whether they know it or not, in the end the problem lies with a cycle of abuse that not even ranni escapes from hell she just makes a new one via her age of stars ending where the outergods run free, the rot is probably gonna go unchecked and deathroots gonna cause unlimited pain, the cycle of abuse just moves onward until the tarnished of no renown does something about it and he can't do anything without the elden ring and most if not all demi gods dead
Godrick is the golden child
Justice for Godrick.
kinda ironic one could say, godrick is basically the least problematic of the bunch
Niceee, it’s a good day for an Elden Ring video 🫡
YAY THANK YOU SO MUCH
If the Hornsent didnt wanna be tragic I guess they shouldnt have did what they were doing with no concept of the consequences that would follow.
This does assume all hornsent were onboard with these religious practices. He does call his own people "rueful," so it's possible he saw them as wrong in their persecution of the shamans
0:39 The player character must have a real chip on their shoulder
What a fabulous Saturday morning surprise!
Many blessings.💪🏾💙
It's hard to feel bad for the hornsent.
I'm only assuming, but perhaps hornsent went to Bony Village to learn how to kill/butcher and adopt the caterpillar mask to keep focus on his journey for revenge, possibly knowing of the potentates reputation?
My blade!!!
Their story was so heartbreaking for me that I had to compose a song for them. I called it "Anti-Messmer", available on my channel.
Oh damn I gotta check it out
That's a strong song!
I think there's an old saying, and I might misquote it here: When you follow the path of revenge, dig two graves. Hornsent is the perfect example of this. He followed a path of revenge, and all it really did is cost him his life. Even when he achieves his goal, it brings him no piece. Also, I think the reason he doesn't give you his name is because he abandoned it. In his eyes, his name died the day he lost his family, so he became a symbol of vengeance, no longer a man.
all those people who seek vengeance shall meet their own death in the end, just like Hornsent. Vengeance consumed him and We the Tarnished have to kill him to end the cycle of vengeance.
The only Irish dude in Elden Ring
So the hornsent and those of the crucible are Irish? It's still better than French, at least.
Anything is.
By far my Favorite npc in ledas group, you can’t really hate em for what he becomes all he wanted was vengeance for his clan/wife and kid/ wish there was a way to bring him to our side during the final showdown
"You can't really hate him"
Hornsent was one of the butchers who performed the jar ritual at bonny village...
@@rwberger6 in the video STG said he was a blacksmith
@@darksoul2fanSTG said he BELIEVES he is a blacksmith because of the weapon description and that he only wears the mask for the side benefits it is supposed to give. I disagree, the mask description directly says that it was worn specifically by the potentates performing the ritual at bonny village. So if hornsent has it, then he was probably one of the potentates. STG even asks at the end if we think this is the case over his theory and I believe it is, especially given how we are shown how bloodthirsty hornsent really is after killing messmer.
@ prove he was a butcher to begin with
@@rashadsanders6716he’s wearing the greater potentate mask. That’s all I need
Needed to know these people.
great video!
In my first play through, 🤔 Hornsent Grandam said ‘vessel of the sacred beast have my son accompany thee to war’ so I thought hornsent’s family didn’t die but sent him off to avenge their burnt tower. Helping Leda to beat him simply made him a failure so he could go back to his family. 😅
Needed this.
Revenge is his sole purpose of exiating. If we take that away from him, he loses his purpose. That's why he would be so easily manipulated into joining Leda.
Thanks
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Total Hornsent Death
I'd feel sorry for Hornsent, save for the fact he is... well... Hornsent. He and Leda got what they deserved.
for all we know he could have just been a humble blacksmith not knowing of what the shamens were subjugated to
I normally don't like it when NPC's can't be saved, but it suits Hornsent as a character due to him being obsessed with vengeance. Leda's character is much the same, both being driven by bloodthirst. Living for revenge can really only end with death and a cycle of even more revenge. If anything, the best outcome is us denying Hornsent his vengeance. He and Leda go on to turn on us regardless of how much we help them both, so overcome by their own bloodlust that they doomed themselves out of a happy ending.
Irl, these are called "cycles of abuse". They're seen a lot in familial lines, where bad, abusive or neglectful parenting decisions are passed down from generation to generation, under the guise of "that's how my parents did it", but frequently there's a deep, unrecognized vengeance element to it. The stories of Marika, Messmer, Hornsent are all part of a cycle of abuse - started by an industrious, power-seeking culture (the hornsent themselves)... It has many real world parallels. If you draw the allegory out to its logical conclusion, it makes it clear why electing governments focused on peace, progress and understanding are so important. Because nation-level retaliation locks us all into an recurring cycle of dysfunction, suffering, retaliation from afar, and trauma-induced abuses from within.
This is why kids from abusive homes often becomes bullies, why the middle east is so perpetually broken, and why Russia was so keen for Trump to win. Elden Ring warned us (as did the bible, but no one in America actually reads that)
Awesome.
I'm just sayin, a lot of people are waaaaay too comfortable lumping all of the Hornsent together and assuming they were all on board with what happened to the Shamans and thus all equally worthy of death...it's really refreshing to see a more realistic, nuanced view of the conflict!
Thank you. I feel like by calling his own people "rueful" it opens up the idea that there were hornsent who saw how barbarous their practices were, didn't necessarily agree with them, but didn't have the power to do anything about it.
@square-table-gaming Exactly! Too many people brush over that detail, and a lot of others I feel. Golden Order propaganda at work lol
Hornsent the hypocrite
If "fck around and find out" was a race, that would be the Hornsent.
Both the Golden Order and The Hornsent got what they deserved.....that's all I'm gonna say to that. Neither of them are more right. They both subjugated others for the sake of securing their ways of life
Nah, Marika,s regime was more retarded.
Messmer did not go far enough 🗣️🗣️
Short of burning down the castle itself I'm not sure how much further he could have gone.
A character who is blind to the fact he will cause make a cycle of revenge hell we would have helped him
💪🏾💙
I feel no sympathy for the HORNSENT that basically massacred a village of peaceful shamans and turn them into living jars.
i say they get what they deserve.
Where it's implied they're peaceful?
I feel no pity to him, his people got what they deserved and he can't handle the consequences.
Honestly? I'm team Marika all the way...I understand why she did what she had to do