Because this flashlight is meant more for periodic use rather than daily, therefore it benefits from a built-in battery as the battery is custom built into the body, making it possible to be more compact, also makes it more fool/waterproof as its concealed and with the tech behind the modern lithium ion batteries, these last many years before they die. In the case of flashlights that are more for tactical purposes, a replaceable battery definitely makes more sense.
There is a technical reason, and that is all the wiring running from the bezel to the tailcap. The i Series of flashlights has many controls on the tailcap, but the tailcap can be removed. In that case, the multiple connections problem has been solved by using a special 21700 battery, with both the positive and negative terminals available at both ends of the battery. That counts as two wires, while the third connection is represented by the body of the flashlight. I've been designing complex torches in the past. What Nitecore did here is an engineering compromise, there is no trend of building obsolescence into flashlights...
@@cavezombie83 I agree but that's not always the case in this case it's actually for more capacity that's why you get 6000mah out of such a compact unit it's a custom pack that can't be achieved with say a 21700 battery there are times that makes sense to use a built-in battery because the amount of capacity that you can make up with just wired together cells in oddball quantities that aren't typically found in normal battery sizes and without the protection of it being in a battery housing as well to save slightly more space now if size was not a big deal I would say they would probably use multiple 21700 batteries to make even more capacity which honestly I would like to see
I guess the trend is throw away flashlights with the built in battery. Seems to me the environment would prefer replaceable batteries or at least being able to send them in for battery replacement.
I think the battery will outlast a lot of folks here being that it has 1000 cycles but you know you would charge it at 50% and this is probably one of your 15 flashlights already as you rotate your edc torches…
also just wondering if you still use a flashlight from more than a decade ago in your EDC rotation? if the battery lasts even 5 years minimum it comes out to $18/year. how many 10 year old flashlights do you still use as the technology keeps getting better and better?
I own the EDC33, I'm an aircraft technician, I was really hoping to make this my main light and have it replace my E4K. Unfortunately, two things make this flashlight not meet my EDC requirements, 1) the inability to replace batteries, and 2) the inability to independently select between the outer led ring and center led at any Lumen setting. I thought when I first bought the EDC33 that I would be able to independently select if I wanted a wide flood beam or narrow beam at any brightness level or both if I wanted. Unfortunately u can only use the outer ring flood leds at its max brightness level and any other brightness level, I'm stuck with a narrow long throw beam. At work, most times I need a wide angle to light up my work area, which the E4K does incredibly well, but some times I'm inspecting flight surfaces and need the long throw of a narrow beam, the E4K's big weak point. Not being able to switch between the two light modes independently of brightness levels is a no-go for me. My EDC33 just sits in my toolbox as a backuo light. Give us the ability to independently control brightness from beam settings and and a replaceable battery and I'm all in.
Well, the built-in battery shouldn't be an issue. If the light goes out during an Emergency.... Just stop time for the next 3 hours while you charge up this flashlight, then go back to the Emergency situation. Being lazy, I'd rather swap out the depleted battery in my MH12 Pro with a freshly charged one kept in an EDC battery-locker, and continue on.
So its the slightly bigger version of the edc33? Is there any reason to buy the edc35 if you have the edc33? And are 1000 lumens difference really a significant brighter beam? More beamshots would be nice from this light and in comparison to e.g. the edc33. For me it just looks like a larger flashlight with 30% more runtime.
Definitely notice the difference in lumens and throw as it uses the UHI40 Max LED, the EDC33 uses the UHI20 Max LED, ill make a video soon comparing the beam shots! Also it has a different shaped bezel that makes it a little more tactical build, and the head is larger so theres some separation with the heat on the head and the tail where you're holding it. Basically it's more compact then the MH12 Pro, with better runtimes, higher lumens and throw.
People complaining about a sealed battery but spend over 1k on a phone with the same. Not counting earbuds and who knows what else with non replaceable batteries. When this thing is dead you’ll be wanting the newest light available anyway.
Excited to grab some EDC35 items for my everyday carry. Impressed by the brightness and the impressive throw distance of this Tactical Flashlight. Eagerly awaiting its restock!
Ordered one, amazing luminshield 5000 lumens for self defense! It's an EDC flashlight, non removable battery is acceptable. I bought MT2C Pro also, good job Nitecore!
Seems decent, but like many others, I will wait for the next version to work out issues we are seeing. Glad nitecore always improves though and am happy with them overall for sure.
@@NitecoreStore nonetheless, I always recommend NC for people because of the constant innovation and solid product line! I love my p23i and handed the p20i down to someone and they love it :) durable and great for edc or tactical use! Still going strong as ever over 4 and 2 years.
I am so upset, i just received the edc 35 today. I had it on in low mode and slid the lock out button on and the light flashed then went out. It will not turn back on. I am so disappointed. Its a good thing this wasnt a life or death situation. I have requested either a replacement to this defective light or a refund.
@@NitecoreStore It does, Thank you. Also, do you know the country of origin for these lights? Is it Singapore, China, or somewhere else? Thanks in advance,
The candelas for the 1300 lumen must be wrong. The manual says 10,600 for the 300 lumen medium and only 13,300 candela for the 1300 lumen high mode. So over 4 times the output but only 2,700 more candela? What is the true candela on high?
Because these 1300lm apparently have a diode that focuses, and the side scattered ones do not change much in the candelas, because they shine sideways. Maybe that's the point.
@@NitecoreStoreGot mine in the mail today and have to say I like it better than the edc33. Bigger size allows bigger battery and longer runtimes with less heat. Thank you.
It is almost three months that Nitecore has announced this EDC35 light, and we have seen it all over the UA-cam advertising channels and review sites in the US. From what I understand, it is the EDC33 which has had some improvements, like a 21700 battery instead of the 18650, a larger thermal mass, and an enhanced LED driver - so that it can put out (temporarily) 5000 lumen instead of 4000; also, the backscatter protection (as when pointing the light at a close white wall) is working as intended now. I have searched the EDC35 on all UK flashlight websites, and there is no trace of it anywhere. I know there are some shipping problems in the Suez channel, but the ships have had the time, by now, to circumnavigate Africa three times. So, it must be something else, I guess? Do you have any clue why there is no EDC35 in Europe? Thank you, Anthony
No, he couldn’t, because it’s a sealed unit - there is no tail cap. Turning tail cap did not work for all flashlights, only for those which threads are not anodized. Do your homework before you teach us lessons 😉
But that defeats the purpose of having a tactical edc light in an emergency scenario, much easier to push the lockout switch than to turn the tailcap in fight or flight responses.
By the time the "battery degrades" in which will be many years from now, as technology makes modern lithium ion batteries last a long time, you will be able to afford a way better and more advanced flashlight by then, as you do with modern phones @@Cz007_
@@Cz007_ I bet this flashlight will serve a lot longer than the phone you using now, which probably also doesn’t have replaceable battery 😌 And possibility to buy a new flashlight before this getting degraded is also higher.
Let me get this straight - the UI uses only the central led (thrower) all the way down to ultra low??? That's just dumb. Lower modes should absolutely bias towards flood and put those other LEDs to work. The only time people actually use low-powered spotlights at close range is in horror movies - the rest of us want to SEE. That makes the whole UI feel backwards. Deal breaker for me, I'll wait until someone makes a similar light that corrects for this.
Thank you for the video, that's a pretty interesting light (as well as the EDC33 which seems more compact)! Do the 8 auxiliary LEDs only turn on when you activate the LumenShield mode? Or is there another mode where they are also active?
Yet here I am hearing this is the EDC33 updated bigger brother hoping they finally made the flood LEDs available in 5e lower modes. NOPE! just wayyy more practical for EDC cause majority of uses you are looking around for something and a flood pattern would be way more useful than 3 modes of spot
You can it to shines for hours if you set at lower level. There are other flashlights that may offer better brightness spacing for you. But at the end of day, the balance of size, brightness and runtime is just plain physics.
@chinhuawang8141 makes no sense to try give people the brightest light for as little time as possible. Its a plain marketing scam to get gullible people to buy their light.
That depends on the task but at the moment I really like the EDC35, the ability to change the beam shape is really cool, I love the charging cover, and the brightness is really cool, that being said, the built-in battery, step-down style, and lack of strobe isn't my favorite, but that hasn't annoyed me enough yet to favor the P23i more. But who knows, it might be new toy syndrome, ask us again in a month!
I really don’t understand the point of these flashlight companies coming out with a new flashlight constantly with more and more lumens but no way to control heat. I feel like I shouldn’t buy another light until they can figure out how to make turbo modes run for more then 20 second burst
Try the MH12 SE, it runs on turbo for about 2 min before it steps down to high. Much preferable over the MH12 Pro which can't hold turbo longer than 20 seconds.
I get the impression that Nitecore works just like Olight. It has a turbo timer set and regardless of the temperature, it will turn on for exactly the same time. The temperature sensor will only work when we want to turn off the turbo again - then it will prevent it.
I’m sick of your constant complaints about non removable battery. First of all this flashlight have insanely long run time, in normal conditions it bet you will need to charge once or two times per month. I use mine EDC33 for work every single day, and I never charge it more than two times per month. Second - almost everyone have battery power bank, I don’t see deference between wearing another battery or power bank, this flashlight will work when you charging unlike many models which doesn’t work while charging. I don’t believe it is a matter of life and death when your flashlight runs out of power. That’s why it has battery indicator, if you caring enough you will never run out of juice.
@@cavezombie83I agree that can be a legit reason to not buy it. But flashaholics like me will have replaced this light with about 100 better lights within half a decade. So I personally don't care that the battery is not replaceable.
Their edc keychain lights have built in batteries and keeping it in line with "edc". Everyone gonna complain about something... If it's not the battery it's the tail stand capability. If it's not that it's the buttons. If it's not that it's the clip. If it's not that it's the lumens.
Hi Fernando. I am thinking of opening an online store to retail tactical flashlights and EDC's in my country, but I want to know exactly what I am getting myself in to. Who are generally the buyers of these flashlights? Is there a special way of getting to them or identifying them?
2 things it needs to be the perfect light... Replaceable battery and the ability to turn on the outer led ring for the wide beam independently of the main center led. Sometimes I just want the ability to use the flood light feature without the central hot spot and since I have a charger at the shop, quickly swapping out batteries as soon as it dies with zero downtime is important to me. I'm a diehard nitecore user for over a decade, everyone at my shop uses Nitecore but this flashlight just missed it's target. Either way, nitecore is awesome.
We haven't tested that, I would say that if you really want to break glass look at our i series lights (P23i, P20iX, SRT7i)! But also anything can break glass if you swing it hard enough!
Non-removable battery is a no-go... and the special modes are only available for a few seconds. Useless, the Seeker 4 Pro can hold it's Turbo 4600lm mode for over two minutes....
Also need to mention the pocket clip vs the EDC33. The tight point of the clip on the EDC35 is in a reasonable location. The clip on the EDC33 is directly over sharks teeth, which quickly eats my pocket.
I just ordered this the other day on account of capabilities vs price, this is a clear winner as far as I could tell. But like I assume many others in here will comment as well, I really do loathe the integrated battery, as I know some time in the future I am going to have to take it to an electrician and have them attempt to replace the battery when it runs out, I don't assume there are any manuals that show how one would go about that?
Yes it is available worldwide! But we only distribute to the US and Canada (we are the U.S. distributor, not the manufacturer), to find yourself one, find your local distributor!
Hi nitecore I hope u can reply. I am thinking of getting the nitecore ucn5 I think it is for canon lp-e17 will this charger work with the offical batteries
Hi - Just received my EDC35 - Charged it up before I used it and I am having a problem. When I hit the tail switch I can go from 3000 to 5000 but I must keep my thumb on the button - It shuts off as soon as I take my finger off. I can't get it to stay constant on to move through the modes.... what am I doing wrong?
When the light is on, lightly tap the power switch to cycle from Ultra Low through the four brightness levels. The 3000 spot and 5000 turbo are burst modes when you press and hold down the button. Releasing the button will revert the light to its prior brightness level.
Sorry to hear it. However, no worry. The light comes with 2 years warranty. Please contact support@nitecorestore.com or the store where you purchase for service.
I would prefer a removable battery but I do realize the battery is most likely able to be fully usable for 5 years 10 years at reduced capacity that being said it's worth the money another thing to consider is a lot of times manufacturers will opt to make a device with a built-in battery not just to make it a throwaway unit (not to say companies don't do that because they do but I don't think that's the case with Nitecore) but to be able to make a custom battery pack that is slightly larger than the normal battery that would be put in their take up the most space available without having to make the device bigger for a bigger battery so instead of upgrading to a total different size or double set battery size a custom pack can be made for the most capacity that's why with this built-in battery you have more capacity 6000mah than you do with the typical 5000mah 21700
Erm, how is 3 hours and 30 minutes approximately 'incredibly fast charging'? Its average at best given the charging times for other NItecore 21700 cells lol
I have the mh15 which has a non removable battery. Brand new and has now failed, it won't charge. The first led is flashing after 6 hours on the charger.
@@NitecoreStoreIle jest gwarancji na tę latarkę z wbudowanym akumulatorem? A ile na modele z wymiennym akumulatorem? Możliwa jest wymiana akumulatora w serwisie?
Nitecore Store...Hello,.. Question? ..=On The NEW ""EDC35""..ITS Battery is Permanently Built-in & Can NOT Be Removed?, =Can Not Be Changed OUT On The FLY? THANK You NITECORE
A non replaceable battery is a dealbreaker for me 😕 Especially since I live in a cold climate (Sweden) and prefer to use a low temperature battery during winter.
I have several notes to this flashlight. 1-no lanyard hole. Attaching lanyard to clip is not good. 2-removable battery would be better. Long time in the wilderness? No problem, I have second battery in the pocket. So built in battery is big no. 3-I prefer programmable flashlights with stepples dimming like andúril or flashlights where you can choose between two or more "groups" or type of UI. 4-I miss ultra low mode like 1 lumen. 5-two beam angles are great idea but the difference between these two is not so significant to enjoy the feature. It's great idea but Nitecore could make it much better. Thrower and wide beam and switch between them in every mode? Just idea. I have several Nitecore lights and it was always great brand but this flashlight have a lot of potential to be better.
Talk about the funky UI. The power button is unreliable. You can push too fast or too slow and even when you quick press perfectly it still fails to do anything… own 2 EDC33 and I have 1 EDC35. Same funky button issues.
The EDC35 is certainly a nice flashlight, I just don't know for whom. - For a truly EDC it is too big (mainly the head diameter with 31mm) and too heavy. - For a heavy duty/tactical light the built-in battery renders it COMPLETELY useless - For the average/sporadic flashlight customer it's too expensive - For the experienced flashlight user the one operational button is less than optimal. To this very day NOTHING beats the MT10C as an EDC flashlight. Small, lightweight, despite "only" 932 lumens it has quite some punch and the two way operational side switch along with the tail switch is the best I have ever seen on any flashlight. For some occasions when the MT10 C is still too large, I rather grab a Lumintop tool AA or an Acebeam Pokelite and for the occasions when I need a compact tactical thrower the MH12 SE or MH12 Pro are much better choices.
I guess it depends who's carrying it that light is tiny compared to what I'm used to I carry a lot of things all day everyday many of which are bigger than that flashlight and currently I carry a Milwaukee flashlight and I also carry a Nitecore flashlight the mh10v2 and also the Nitecore work light all depends on the clothes you wear and the way you can handle I suppose
@@pagpapaitim I hear you. The MH12 Pro is good but when you already own a MH12 SE, it doesn't offer more on a real world experience - as a matter of fact, I prefer the beam and runtime on the MH12 SE over the MH12 Pro.
Yeah.. as other comments mention.. you lost me with the non-removable battery. Keep the usp type c charging on the flashlight body and give us the option to use our own batteries and sit back and watch your sales increase.
The light is good... but... the mechanical function of the flashlight is not good, and the way it can't use the two highest positions without holding the button or for a long time and that the battery is built in - makes the flashlight useless.
@@chinhuawang8141 I don't know... myself, I need at least 45 seconds and to be able to put the flashlight away, still lit. I was recently out with a strong flashlight and then I used the Turbo for maybe 3 minutes and it had no problem with that. So 10 -15 seconds while holding the button does not suit my type of use in any case.
Here me out Nitecore!!!! Please someone make this a reality! Take the TM9k and take the center led out/make a semi deep smooth reflector to takes its place. Leave all of the surrounding leds in place. Then take for example the Convoy s6. Its a short deep smooth reflector. If something like that was in the center of the TM9k and there was a switch similar to the EDC 35 on this new TM9K to switch between flood and throw, it would be the perfect flastlight. Call it the TM9K REACH OR TM9K PRO
It seems disingenuous to title this video as a “review.” Nitecore Store is the main distributor of Nitecore within North America. I’m not sure whether it’s partially or entirely owned by Nitecore China HQ itself. This is more of a demonstration, or an overview of the product. We watch UA-cam “reviews” to get an unbiased, agenda-free perspective on a product. UA-cam reviewers typically lay out the pros and cons of a product. There are no cons in this “review.” Any potential drawbacks, such as the built-in battery that is not user replaceable, is not even mentioned. Your core audience is not stupid, so please do not treat us as such.
Functions are over complicated for my taste. I would like the mh12pro in a shorter version, with better heat disapation head,,, also orange peel lense.
Why do people insist on shaking the products they’re reviewing? Hold still. I’m trying to look at the product. Here we have this switch that you can see.. No I can’t because you’re shaking it.
Designing flashlights without removable batteries is lazy, irresponsible engineering. Your shot show award means nothing. Shame on you. Everyone remember to thumbs down this video.
If you don't want a flashlight with a built-in battery don't buy that one they have many with removable batteries the reason why they built a flashlight like this one with a built-in battery because there is no such battery that size that exists it's a custom battery pack that's wired together inside of the flashlight to save space you will not get the same capacity with a flashlight with a removable battery at that same size the flashlight has a particular use and the main goal is small size high output high capacity and everybody saying that a battery is going to be dead and useless and two or three years obviously doesn't work with lithium ion batteries very often I work with them daily at my job and a lot of my lithium ion batteries are 8 plus years old and still working perfectly taking charges and operating things just as long as they did before barely even notice any capacity change perfect example is a lot of my Milwaukee tools with battery packs that have been ran over by cars dropped cracked split open taped back together again and still operational years later battery technology has come a long way but you get what you pay for go with a cheap company and you'll get cheap product cheap batteries my experience with Nitecore they don't seem to be a cheap company I'm very happy with their batteries so far I'll most likely buy this flashlight as well although all my other Nightcore flashlights have removable batteries but guess what those removable batteries are all still good that should be a good indication that they are quite capable of making their own custom size pack built into a flashlight and have it last just as long
@@corymoore2292 I know and I fully understand your point and honestly I share your view on this I just don't see it as bad behavior really I don't see it in this particular case to be malicious I just see it as them making a product that doesn't necessarily fit everybody's needs or expectations in the name of cutting size and cost now technically they could make the same flashlight just a tiny bit bigger with a custom-made proprietary battery just for that light that's in between One battery size and another like 2 cells more then one size and a few cells less then the other it would only make it a tiny amount bigger but the problem being it would make it substantially more expensive because say they do make their own batteries which they may I don't really know but judging by most of the industries I highly doubt they do make their own but if they did they would have to retool on their production line for that size battery for one particular flashlight now they could potentially cut a little bit of cost to make it not so substantially hogh if they make a whole range of flashlights utilizing that particular battery so they can spread the devices out to fit different needs and different price points but no matter how you look at it it'll be more expensive and most likely it would be a lot more expensive because as I said I highly doubt they make their own batteries which means they would have to outfit themselves to make or to pay the battery manufacturer they use to make a custom battery size for them and that would not be cheap but what is cheap and anybody could do it even if they're not set up to do full batteries is a built-in battery pack utilizing multiple smaller rechargeable cells I've actually made my own done it myself multiple times by modifying certain devices removing the original battery and installing my own custom pack taking up all the available space in the device in the end getting more capacity resulting longer run time to fit my needs and for them doing it that way this size can be obtained and this price point can be obtained now in a perfect world it is possible to obtain the same size and price point but allow the battery to be serviced by their repair shop because no matter what a built-in battery can still be taken out and replaced technically anybody with enough working knowledge of electronics can do it as long as they can obtain the same cells that were used the thing is it's just not so user friendly to do it requires a few skills like soldering and basic electrical circuit knowledge but once again we run into another roadblock potentially they may not actually have a service center and that would be another cost that would have to be absorbed and spread out through their products to open up such a facility now there's a lot more that I could say about that to see if it would even be cost-effective for them to do such a thing like would there be enough work to employ the people that have to be there what else would they have to do to make money out of it but I'll stop here because I could go on and on talking all day about this stuff as it is I've said too much at the end of the day I agree with what you're saying I just don't see it to be technically malicious I see it to be a good intent but boxed in to not be so ideal because of the way the world is run and unfortunately there are many evils that must be worked around resulting in a product that not as ideal as they wanted it to be due to those work arounds requiring compromises basically before I start rambling on to this subject more we are a stuck in this game we call society controlled by evil people we all still have to play the game or fail .... But without doing evil directly as well although it's easy to succeed in this game by doing evil but no matter what there is no excuse it's never right to do I honestly don't think what they did here is evil it's just a not ideal work around but that just my opinion I can name many companies that do all this maliciously for sure but that's another story unfortunately the world is full of corruption your not wrong for sure but I will agree to disagree on a couple points that's all I hope you have a good day sorry for the novel terrible grammar and total lack of punctuation lol
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I agree with a lot of others, great light but the non-removable battery is a deal breaker. I will wait for the EDC 37, lol.
Edc 40 with removable battery, please. I won't hold my breath 😂
all it needs is a removable battery and i'll buy it
Prefer the 21700 battery with built-in USB-C charging capability
They advertise 5 year warranty. But I got the 35 with no change battery. Nthe fine print say. 5 years except the no change battery ones. wtf
Why is the battery non-replaceable?? 😭😭
Because this flashlight is meant more for periodic use rather than daily, therefore it benefits from a built-in battery as the battery is custom built into the body, making it possible to be more compact, also makes it more fool/waterproof as its concealed and with the tech behind the modern lithium ion batteries, these last many years before they die. In the case of flashlights that are more for tactical purposes, a replaceable battery definitely makes more sense.
There is a technical reason, and that is all the wiring running from the bezel to the tailcap.
The i Series of flashlights has many controls on the tailcap, but the tailcap can be removed. In that case, the multiple connections problem has been solved by using a special 21700 battery, with both the positive and negative terminals available at both ends of the battery. That counts as two wires, while the third connection is represented by the body of the flashlight.
I've been designing complex torches in the past. What Nitecore did here is an engineering compromise, there is no trend of building obsolescence into flashlights...
Planned obsolescence and sales of battery banks.
@@cavezombie83 I agree but that's not always the case in this case it's actually for more capacity that's why you get 6000mah out of such a compact unit it's a custom pack that can't be achieved with say a 21700 battery there are times that makes sense to use a built-in battery because the amount of capacity that you can make up with just wired together cells in oddball quantities that aren't typically found in normal battery sizes and without the protection of it being in a battery housing as well to save slightly more space now if size was not a big deal I would say they would probably use multiple 21700 batteries to make even more capacity which honestly I would like to see
I guess the trend is throw away flashlights with the built in battery. Seems to me the environment would prefer replaceable batteries or at least being able to send them in for battery replacement.
Valid
I think the battery will outlast a lot of folks here being that it has 1000 cycles but you know you would charge it at 50% and this is probably one of your 15 flashlights already as you rotate your edc torches…
Hmmm I agree, but on the other hand it probably will last 30+ years so worth the $$ I think
@@loosebacontrails666 the life of lithium batteries have an expiration date. Even electric cars.
also just wondering if you still use a flashlight from more than a decade ago in your EDC rotation? if the battery lasts even 5 years minimum it comes out to $18/year. how many 10 year old flashlights do you still use as the technology keeps getting better and better?
I own the EDC33, I'm an aircraft technician, I was really hoping to make this my main light and have it replace my E4K. Unfortunately, two things make this flashlight not meet my EDC requirements, 1) the inability to replace batteries, and 2) the inability to independently select between the outer led ring and center led at any Lumen setting. I thought when I first bought the EDC33 that I would be able to independently select if I wanted a wide flood beam or narrow beam at any brightness level or both if I wanted. Unfortunately u can only use the outer ring flood leds at its max brightness level and any other brightness level, I'm stuck with a narrow long throw beam. At work, most times I need a wide angle to light up my work area, which the E4K does incredibly well, but some times I'm inspecting flight surfaces and need the long throw of a narrow beam, the E4K's big weak point. Not being able to switch between the two light modes independently of brightness levels is a no-go for me. My EDC33 just sits in my toolbox as a backuo light. Give us the ability to independently control brightness from beam settings and and a replaceable battery and I'm all in.
Good suggestions, definitely understand that, light has a lot of potential but there are definitely some drawbacks that keep it from being perfect
Well, the built-in battery shouldn't be an issue. If the light goes out during an Emergency.... Just stop time for the next 3 hours while you charge up this flashlight, then go back to the Emergency situation. Being lazy, I'd rather swap out the depleted battery in my MH12 Pro with a freshly charged one kept in an EDC battery-locker, and continue on.
I like your sarcastic humor 🤣
You really walk around with a "battery locker" on you?
So its the slightly bigger version of the edc33? Is there any reason to buy the edc35 if you have the edc33? And are 1000 lumens difference really a significant brighter beam? More beamshots would be nice from this light and in comparison to e.g. the edc33. For me it just looks like a larger flashlight with 30% more runtime.
Definitely notice the difference in lumens and throw as it uses the UHI40 Max LED, the EDC33 uses the UHI20 Max LED, ill make a video soon comparing the beam shots! Also it has a different shaped bezel that makes it a little more tactical build, and the head is larger so theres some separation with the heat on the head and the tail where you're holding it. Basically it's more compact then the MH12 Pro, with better runtimes, higher lumens and throw.
Non replaceable battery, no thanks. Don't need a future paper weight.
People complaining about a sealed battery but spend over 1k on a phone with the same. Not counting earbuds and who knows what else with non replaceable batteries. When this thing is dead you’ll be wanting the newest light available anyway.
Excited to grab some EDC35 items for my everyday carry. Impressed by the brightness and the impressive throw distance of this Tactical Flashlight. Eagerly awaiting its restock!
Ordered one, amazing luminshield 5000 lumens for self defense! It's an EDC flashlight, non removable battery is acceptable. I bought MT2C Pro also, good job Nitecore!
So the 5k lumens is just 3k with flood added?
Hey. Great review. How would you compare this to the MH25 pro? Any chance you can/have done a review about the comparison of those 2?
Seems decent, but like many others, I will wait for the next version to work out issues we are seeing. Glad nitecore always improves though and am happy with them overall for sure.
Yeah, I agree, definitely some growing pains with these new emitters!
@@NitecoreStore nonetheless, I always recommend NC for people because of the constant innovation and solid product line! I love my p23i and handed the p20i down to someone and they love it :) durable and great for edc or tactical use! Still going strong as ever over 4 and 2 years.
I am so upset, i just received the edc 35 today. I had it on in low mode and slid the lock out button on and the light flashed then went out. It will not turn back on. I am so disappointed. Its a good thing this wasnt a life or death situation. I have requested either a replacement to this defective light or a refund.
Your 'where to buy' link takes me to some Iceland Review website?
LOL! Just fixed the link, should work now
@@NitecoreStore
It does, Thank you.
Also, do you know the country of origin for these lights?
Is it Singapore, China, or somewhere else?
Thanks in advance,
The candelas for the 1300 lumen must be wrong. The manual says 10,600 for the 300 lumen medium and only 13,300 candela for the 1300 lumen high mode. So over 4 times the output but only 2,700 more candela? What is the true candela on high?
Because these 1300lm apparently have a diode that focuses, and the side scattered ones do not change much in the candelas, because they shine sideways. Maybe that's the point.
Love this light
I bought the edc33 and love spotlight mode. Couldn’t resist, preordered. Thank you.
Hope you enjoy it!
@@NitecoreStoreGot mine in the mail today and have to say I like it better than the edc33. Bigger size allows bigger battery and longer runtimes with less heat. Thank you.
When will it be available to buy worldwide?
Hello,we have this one now.
You can preorder it now link in the description, estimated to arrive Jan 27th!
Love to he look of this flashlight, very much. When will it be available to buy? Thank you.
You can preorder it now link in the description, estimated to arrive Jan 27th!
When will the edc 35 be released I have the 33 and every since I found out about the 35 I want it
It is almost three months that Nitecore has announced this EDC35 light, and we have seen it all over the UA-cam advertising channels and review sites in the US.
From what I understand, it is the EDC33 which has had some improvements, like a 21700 battery instead of the 18650, a larger thermal mass, and an enhanced LED driver - so that it can put out (temporarily) 5000 lumen instead of 4000; also, the backscatter protection (as when pointing the light at a close white wall) is working as intended now.
I have searched the EDC35 on all UK flashlight websites, and there is no trace of it anywhere. I know there are some shipping problems in the Suez channel, but the ships have had the time, by now, to circumnavigate Africa three times. So, it must be something else, I guess?
Do you have any clue why there is no EDC35 in Europe?
Thank you,
Anthony
nice , between EDC 35 and EDC 29 which one you recommend? Or which one is your favorite? Thank you, sir.
Both are great high performance lights. If budget permits, I would go with EDC29 with digital screen and compact size.
@4:26 Or you could turn the tailcap 1/4 turn for all flashlights and not have to worry about accidental powering on
No, he couldn’t, because it’s a sealed unit - there is no tail cap. Turning tail cap did not work for all flashlights, only for those which threads are not anodized. Do your homework before you teach us lessons 😉
@@nikolaymivanov Well then that flashlight is/will be useless as the battery degrades. Planned obsolescence after all.
But that defeats the purpose of having a tactical edc light in an emergency scenario, much easier to push the lockout switch than to turn the tailcap in fight or flight responses.
By the time the "battery degrades" in which will be many years from now, as technology makes modern lithium ion batteries last a long time, you will be able to afford a way better and more advanced flashlight by then, as you do with modern phones @@Cz007_
@@Cz007_ I bet this flashlight will serve a lot longer than the phone you using now, which probably also doesn’t have replaceable battery 😌 And possibility to buy a new flashlight before this getting degraded is also higher.
Let me get this straight - the UI uses only the central led (thrower) all the way down to ultra low??? That's just dumb. Lower modes should absolutely bias towards flood and put those other LEDs to work. The only time people actually use low-powered spotlights at close range is in horror movies - the rest of us want to SEE.
That makes the whole UI feel backwards. Deal breaker for me, I'll wait until someone makes a similar light that corrects for this.
I completely agree !
Thank you for the video, that's a pretty interesting light (as well as the EDC33 which seems more compact)!
Do the 8 auxiliary LEDs only turn on when you activate the LumenShield mode? Or is there another mode where they are also active?
I believe they are also all used in high mode!
@@NitecoreStore Thank you! That's what I was suspecting from the beam pattern but I wasn't sure.
you believe or you know?@@NitecoreStore
Yet here I am hearing this is the EDC33 updated bigger brother hoping they finally made the flood LEDs available in 5e lower modes. NOPE! just wayyy more practical for EDC cause majority of uses you are looking around for something and a flood pattern would be way more useful than 3 modes of spot
I dont want the brightest light that shines for 1 minute. I want a light that shines for hours.
You can it to shines for hours if you set at lower level. There are other flashlights that may offer better brightness spacing for you. But at the end of day, the balance of size, brightness and runtime is just plain physics.
@chinhuawang8141 makes no sense to try give people the brightest light for as little time as possible. Its a plain marketing scam to get gullible people to buy their light.
Do you preferer the edc 35 o the p23i?
That depends on the task but at the moment I really like the EDC35, the ability to change the beam shape is really cool, I love the charging cover, and the brightness is really cool, that being said, the built-in battery, step-down style, and lack of strobe isn't my favorite, but that hasn't annoyed me enough yet to favor the P23i more. But who knows, it might be new toy syndrome, ask us again in a month!
Does this light have a strobe mode?
Will Nitecore being doing any promotional discounts on the EDC35 soon?
I really don’t understand the point of these flashlight companies coming out with a new flashlight constantly with more and more lumens but no way to control heat. I feel like I shouldn’t buy another light until they can figure out how to make turbo modes run for more then 20 second burst
Try the MH12 SE, it runs on turbo for about 2 min before it steps down to high. Much preferable over the MH12 Pro which can't hold turbo longer than 20 seconds.
I get the impression that Nitecore works just like Olight. It has a turbo timer set and regardless of the temperature, it will turn on for exactly the same time. The temperature sensor will only work when we want to turn off the turbo again - then it will prevent it.
What is its.price
Zero reason for no removable battery! Other than planned obsolescence and sales of battery banks.
I’m sick of your constant complaints about non removable battery. First of all this flashlight have insanely long run time, in normal conditions it bet you will need to charge once or two times per month. I use mine EDC33 for work every single day, and I never charge it more than two times per month. Second - almost everyone have battery power bank, I don’t see deference between wearing another battery or power bank, this flashlight will work when you charging unlike many models which doesn’t work while charging. I don’t believe it is a matter of life and death when your flashlight runs out of power. That’s why it has battery indicator, if you caring enough you will never run out of juice.
@nikolaymivanov it will be a paper weight in less than a decade.
Again, there is zero reason not to have a removable battery. 🤣
@@cavezombie83I agree that can be a legit reason to not buy it. But flashaholics like me will have replaced this light with about 100 better lights within half a decade. So I personally don't care that the battery is not replaceable.
Their edc keychain lights have built in batteries and keeping it in line with "edc". Everyone gonna complain about something... If it's not the battery it's the tail stand capability. If it's not that it's the buttons. If it's not that it's the clip. If it's not that it's the lumens.
Phones don't have removable batteries anymore 😂
How long does the fly charged battery last when i stored?
No strobe?
Hi Fernando. I am thinking of opening an online store to retail tactical flashlights and EDC's in my country, but I want to know exactly what I am getting myself in to. Who are generally the buyers of these flashlights? Is there a special way of getting to them or identifying them?
2 things it needs to be the perfect light... Replaceable battery and the ability to turn on the outer led ring for the wide beam independently of the main center led. Sometimes I just want the ability to use the flood light feature without the central hot spot and since I have a charger at the shop, quickly swapping out batteries as soon as it dies with zero downtime is important to me. I'm a diehard nitecore user for over a decade, everyone at my shop uses Nitecore but this flashlight just missed it's target. Either way, nitecore is awesome.
Can it be used as a powerbank to charge a phone?
Unfortunately no, the USBC only takes in power!
can the crowned bezel use to break glass? or just design asthetic?
We haven't tested that, I would say that if you really want to break glass look at our i series lights (P23i, P20iX, SRT7i)! But also anything can break glass if you swing it hard enough!
Non-removable battery is a no-go... and the special modes are only available for a few seconds. Useless, the Seeker 4 Pro can hold it's Turbo 4600lm mode for over two minutes....
Also need to mention the pocket clip vs the EDC33. The tight point of the clip on the EDC35 is in a reasonable location. The clip on the EDC33 is directly over sharks teeth, which quickly eats my pocket.
Can this operate while charging?
yes it can!
I would like to see the next generation of P20 IX / P23i have this LED array ( light performance lumin shield )
Same here! Constantly hoping for a UHi of those two old reliables!
I'll wait for P10i UHI40 led...thats enough... 😊
Awesome! Thanks for dropping the details on this new edc light. Great job! Just placed that order using the code you provided. Thanks again!
Hope you enjoy it! Glad we could help with your purchase decision!
I just ordered this the other day on account of capabilities vs price, this is a clear winner as far as I could tell.
But like I assume many others in here will comment as well, I really do loathe the integrated battery, as I know some time in the future I am going to have to take it to an electrician and have them attempt to replace the battery when it runs out, I don't assume there are any manuals that show how one would go about that?
Trying to order this but the only country options are canada, guam, puerto rico, us. Is worldwide not available yet?
Yes it is available worldwide! But we only distribute to the US and Canada (we are the U.S. distributor, not the manufacturer), to find yourself one, find your local distributor!
Nitecore Store: has the 5,000 lumins been tested to see if it is actually 5,000 or less!
What happens if I keep it on search and shield mode for long ?
it'll dim down to high mode to prevent the light from overheating
How much does it cost
89.95 at Nitecorestore.com !
Hi nitecore I hope u can reply. I am thinking of getting the nitecore ucn5 I think it is for canon lp-e17 will this charger work with the offical batteries
does it support type-c to type-c charging? what are the charging modes supported, i assume 5V 2A (10W), but any others?
Yes! Looking at the user manual it only says it supports 5V 2A like you mentioned but beyond that there is not a lot of documentation!
Hi - Just received my EDC35 - Charged it up before I used it and I am having a problem. When I hit the tail switch I can go from 3000 to 5000 but I must keep my thumb on the button - It shuts off as soon as I take my finger off. I can't get it to stay constant on to move through the modes.... what am I doing wrong?
When the light is on, lightly tap the power switch to cycle from Ultra Low through the four brightness levels. The 3000 spot and 5000 turbo are burst modes when you press and hold down the button. Releasing the button will revert the light to its prior brightness level.
Where is the tm30k ?
No SOS?
Amazing 😊
My only last two months and broke! Not the greatest light as they pointed out! Waiting for a replacement hopefully
Sorry to hear it. However, no worry. The light comes with 2 years warranty. Please contact support@nitecorestore.com or the store where you purchase for service.
I think the MH12 pro got better design and it’s more simple than the EDC35 but overall it seems pretty good!
I don't buy a flashlight without being able to change the battery. That's so stupid.
Excellent video 📹!!! This light is a gamechanger. Thank you!
When it will be available for Europe? It’s not available on Amazon, it’s not available on AliExpress, Nitecore store doesn’t ship to Bulgaria, WTF?!?
I would prefer a removable battery but I do realize the battery is most likely able to be fully usable for 5 years 10 years at reduced capacity that being said it's worth the money another thing to consider is a lot of times manufacturers will opt to make a device with a built-in battery not just to make it a throwaway unit (not to say companies don't do that because they do but I don't think that's the case with Nitecore) but to be able to make a custom battery pack that is slightly larger than the normal battery that would be put in their take up the most space available without having to make the device bigger for a bigger battery so instead of upgrading to a total different size or double set battery size a custom pack can be made for the most capacity that's why with this built-in battery you have more capacity 6000mah than you do with the typical 5000mah 21700
What would've been better is if this had an NTH10-type holster, like the one I use with my EDC33.
I like the HC65uhe better. Different lights but at least I can replace the battery on the go.
Erm, how is 3 hours and 30 minutes approximately 'incredibly fast charging'? Its average at best given the charging times for other NItecore 21700 cells lol
I have the mh15 which has a non removable battery. Brand new and has now failed, it won't charge. The first led is flashing after 6 hours on the charger.
please reach out to our customer service department so we can help you out!
@@NitecoreStoreIle jest gwarancji na tę latarkę z wbudowanym akumulatorem? A ile na modele z wymiennym akumulatorem? Możliwa jest wymiana akumulatora w serwisie?
Nitecore Store...Hello,..
Question? ..=On The NEW ""EDC35""..ITS Battery is Permanently Built-in & Can NOT Be Removed?, =Can Not Be Changed OUT On The FLY?
THANK You NITECORE
A non replaceable battery is a dealbreaker for me 😕 Especially since I live in a cold climate (Sweden) and prefer to use a low temperature battery during winter.
I Trust Fenix. Best and most Accurate Tail Switch in a tactical or Emergency situation . . . "Facts"
big failure from Nitecore.i am never buy such flashlight when i know that will be scrap in 2-3 years.
I have several notes to this flashlight. 1-no lanyard hole. Attaching lanyard to clip is not good. 2-removable battery would be better. Long time in the wilderness? No problem, I have second battery in the pocket. So built in battery is big no. 3-I prefer programmable flashlights with stepples dimming like andúril or flashlights where you can choose between two or more "groups" or type of UI. 4-I miss ultra low mode like 1 lumen. 5-two beam angles are great idea but the difference between these two is not so significant to enjoy the feature. It's great idea but Nitecore could make it much better. Thrower and wide beam and switch between them in every mode? Just idea. I have several Nitecore lights and it was always great brand but this flashlight have a lot of potential to be better.
Again with the built-in battery. Pass for me.. Could have been perfect.
Talk about the funky UI. The power button is unreliable. You can push too fast or too slow and even when you quick press perfectly it still fails to do anything… own 2 EDC33 and I have 1 EDC35. Same funky button issues.
I'll stick with my Olight seeker pro 4
this is just a tactical light. it's not edc at 1.25" head diameter. cmon.
Exactly
Imagine if someday the battery has run out of life cycle,my flashlight can not useful anymore
That one day will be years down the road in which there will be better lights for you to explore
The EDC35 is certainly a nice flashlight, I just don't know for whom.
- For a truly EDC it is too big (mainly the head diameter with 31mm) and too heavy.
- For a heavy duty/tactical light the built-in battery renders it COMPLETELY useless
- For the average/sporadic flashlight customer it's too expensive
- For the experienced flashlight user the one operational button is less than optimal.
To this very day NOTHING beats the MT10C as an EDC flashlight. Small, lightweight, despite "only" 932 lumens it has quite some punch and the two way operational side switch along with the tail switch is the best I have ever seen on any flashlight.
For some occasions when the MT10 C is still too large, I rather grab a Lumintop tool AA or an Acebeam Pokelite and for the occasions when I need a compact tactical thrower the MH12 SE or MH12 Pro are much better choices.
I'm still rocking an EC11. Beats the MC10 in size too
I guess it depends who's carrying it that light is tiny compared to what I'm used to I carry a lot of things all day everyday many of which are bigger than that flashlight and currently I carry a Milwaukee flashlight and I also carry a Nitecore flashlight the mh10v2 and also the Nitecore work light all depends on the clothes you wear and the way you can handle I suppose
I know people that bought the edc33 are pissed lol
I was more pissed when I got the mh12pro and use the mh25pro more.
@@pagpapaitim I hear you. The MH12 Pro is good but when you already own a MH12 SE, it doesn't offer more on a real world experience - as a matter of fact, I prefer the beam and runtime on the MH12 SE over the MH12 Pro.
Yeah.. as other comments mention.. you lost me with the non-removable battery. Keep the usp type c charging on the flashlight body and give us the option to use our own batteries and sit back and watch your sales increase.
OMG omg OMG omg OMG omg!!!!!!!
The light is good... but... the mechanical function of the flashlight is not good, and the way it can't use the two highest positions without holding the button or for a long time and that the battery is built in - makes the flashlight useless.
Typically you don't need to use turbo and strobe for long time though.
@@chinhuawang8141 I don't know... myself, I need at least 45 seconds and to be able to put the flashlight away, still lit.
I was recently out with a strong flashlight and then I used the Turbo for maybe 3 minutes and it had no problem with that.
So 10 -15 seconds while holding the button does not suit my type of use in any case.
Here me out Nitecore!!!! Please someone make this a reality! Take the TM9k and take the center led out/make a semi deep smooth reflector to takes its place. Leave all of the surrounding leds in place. Then take for example the Convoy s6. Its a short deep smooth reflector. If something like that was in the center of the TM9k and there was a switch similar to the EDC 35 on this new TM9K to switch between flood and throw, it would be the perfect flastlight. Call it the TM9K REACH OR TM9K PRO
It seems disingenuous to title this video as a “review.” Nitecore Store is the main distributor of Nitecore within North America. I’m not sure whether it’s partially or entirely owned by Nitecore China HQ itself. This is more of a demonstration, or an overview of the product. We watch UA-cam “reviews” to get an unbiased, agenda-free perspective on a product. UA-cam reviewers typically lay out the pros and cons of a product. There are no cons in this “review.” Any potential drawbacks, such as the built-in battery that is not user replaceable, is not even mentioned. Your core audience is not stupid, so please do not treat us as such.
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Go for SOFIRN SC33 much cheaper and comparable !
Nah... None removable proprietary battery is a pass for me. I'll stick with my Weltool
Functions are over complicated for my taste. I would like the mh12pro in a shorter version, with better heat disapation head,,, also orange peel lense.
Why do people insist on shaking the products they’re reviewing? Hold still. I’m trying to look at the product. Here we have this switch that you can see.. No I can’t because you’re shaking it.
🤣🤣 sorry I get too excited when I'm reviewing, i'll keep that in mind lol
if you buy an expansive high quality flashlight you wont mind buying another one after 3 or 5 years.
EDC yes! But this is hardly tactical as there's no momentary.
Lumin Shield & Search modes are both momentary
@@NitecoreStore Not tactical momentary like on a mh12se and others.... There's a huge delay.
i have one. save ya money.
Would of waited for this instead of getting the edc33. Feel ripped off. Guess im done with nitecore.
This makes no sense. Do you also never buy a new phone because a new one will come out? What about a car? Ffs.
its like cellphone with built-in battery..its depend on how you care your stuff,it last long.
No it's not, not even remotely.
@@LV-42617 yes it is
Designing flashlights without removable batteries is lazy, irresponsible engineering. Your shot show award means nothing. Shame on you. Everyone remember to thumbs down this video.
If you don't want a flashlight with a built-in battery don't buy that one they have many with removable batteries the reason why they built a flashlight like this one with a built-in battery because there is no such battery that size that exists it's a custom battery pack that's wired together inside of the flashlight to save space you will not get the same capacity with a flashlight with a removable battery at that same size the flashlight has a particular use and the main goal is small size high output high capacity and everybody saying that a battery is going to be dead and useless and two or three years obviously doesn't work with lithium ion batteries very often I work with them daily at my job and a lot of my lithium ion batteries are 8 plus years old and still working perfectly taking charges and operating things just as long as they did before barely even notice any capacity change perfect example is a lot of my Milwaukee tools with battery packs that have been ran over by cars dropped cracked split open taped back together again and still operational years later battery technology has come a long way but you get what you pay for go with a cheap company and you'll get cheap product cheap batteries my experience with Nitecore they don't seem to be a cheap company I'm very happy with their batteries so far I'll most likely buy this flashlight as well although all my other Nightcore flashlights have removable batteries but guess what those removable batteries are all still good that should be a good indication that they are quite capable of making their own custom size pack built into a flashlight and have it last just as long
@@maxvanderspurt2313 that is the most unimpressive reply I’ve ever read.
@@corymoore2292 thank you I put alot of thought into things often times too much
@@maxvanderspurt2313 I was being serious. You can talk all you want but at the end of the day you’re just making excuses for really bad behavior.
@@corymoore2292 I know and I fully understand your point and honestly I share your view on this I just don't see it as bad behavior really I don't see it in this particular case to be malicious I just see it as them making a product that doesn't necessarily fit everybody's needs or expectations in the name of cutting size and cost now technically they could make the same flashlight just a tiny bit bigger with a custom-made proprietary battery just for that light that's in between One battery size and another like 2 cells more then one size and a few cells less then the other it would only make it a tiny amount bigger but the problem being it would make it substantially more expensive because say they do make their own batteries which they may I don't really know but judging by most of the industries I highly doubt they do make their own but if they did they would have to retool on their production line for that size battery for one particular flashlight now they could potentially cut a little bit of cost to make it not so substantially hogh if they make a whole range of flashlights utilizing that particular battery so they can spread the devices out to fit different needs and different price points but no matter how you look at it it'll be more expensive and most likely it would be a lot more expensive because as I said I highly doubt they make their own batteries which means they would have to outfit themselves to make or to pay the battery manufacturer they use to make a custom battery size for them and that would not be cheap but what is cheap and anybody could do it even if they're not set up to do full batteries is a built-in battery pack utilizing multiple smaller rechargeable cells I've actually made my own done it myself multiple times by modifying certain devices removing the original battery and installing my own custom pack taking up all the available space in the device in the end getting more capacity resulting longer run time to fit my needs and for them doing it that way this size can be obtained and this price point can be obtained now in a perfect world it is possible to obtain the same size and price point but allow the battery to be serviced by their repair shop because no matter what a built-in battery can still be taken out and replaced technically anybody with enough working knowledge of electronics can do it as long as they can obtain the same cells that were used the thing is it's just not so user friendly to do it requires a few skills like soldering and basic electrical circuit knowledge but once again we run into another roadblock potentially they may not actually have a service center and that would be another cost that would have to be absorbed and spread out through their products to open up such a facility now there's a lot more that I could say about that to see if it would even be cost-effective for them to do such a thing like would there be enough work to employ the people that have to be there what else would they have to do to make money out of it but I'll stop here because I could go on and on talking all day about this stuff as it is I've said too much at the end of the day I agree with what you're saying I just don't see it to be technically malicious I see it to be a good intent but boxed in to not be so ideal because of the way the world is run and unfortunately there are many evils that must be worked around resulting in a product that not as ideal as they wanted it to be due to those work arounds requiring compromises basically before I start rambling on to this subject more we are a stuck in this game we call society controlled by evil people we all still have to play the game or fail .... But without doing evil directly as well although it's easy to succeed in this game by doing evil but no matter what there is no excuse it's never right to do I honestly don't think what they did here is evil it's just a not ideal work around but that just my opinion I can name many companies that do all this maliciously for sure but that's another story unfortunately the world is full of corruption your not wrong for sure but I will agree to disagree on a couple points that's all I hope you have a good day sorry for the novel terrible grammar and total lack of punctuation lol