Tbf this guy said he had like 8k hours i myself have 1.5k ive never trown a match nor have the people i que with but we've seen plenty of 20 bomb pred sweatz in our lobbies or just 4k 20kill wonder how many are legit
@@MrMastrmonstr I haven’t ever killed myself for this either and I’ve only had one 20 bomb ranked is almost an easier place to get 20s because people survive and actually 3rd party you
I think my biggest issue with it isnt even the fact theyre exploiting sbmm, its the fact they unintentionally make players feel worse about their own skill level. I wish i could be as good as players i see who are content creators but im not, and for a long time this really lowered my own self asteem when it comes to the game. Then i realised a lot of them abuse sbmm to get into easy lobbies. Not to say any of these players are bad, a lot of them are still way better than me, but id be curious to see how a lot of these players perform in lobbies they ACTUALLY belong in. One such example is Zeus, who about a year ago posted footage of what his actual lobbies looked like and he got shit on in so many games, and i have a lot of respect for him actually coming out and saying "this is what our lobbies genuinely look like."
Yeah it has lowered my self asteem alot,I've been playing Apex since season 3 and I peaked in skill between season 7 and season 13,it makes me sad seeing how bad I am at the game now,because in the back of my mind I know I deserve a higher rank but I can't play well if I keep getting my ass beat every game
side note: all my content comes from my live stream at twitch.tv/kasellos so you know I ain't abusing bot lobbies intentionally on stream that is all ty 😎 Disclaimer: (a majority of this is speculative as you can never 100% confirm this stuff) and just because sometimes people get easy lobbies doesnt mean they are intentionally doing it!!! I should add theres definitely more ways to do it than just this, and also sometimes youll randomly get gifted some bad lobbies if you die enough off drop so its important to know the difference between the 2, and also please don't send anyone hate (ever). Also don't hate me for showing how to abuse sbmm, I had to for the sake of supporting evidence
Thank you! It's so obvious when people do this. Then they get more bots in the sense that they spend all day curating their comments saying dumb shit like "this isn't a bot lobby. This guy is legit. Played the other day and he fried me.". It's so cringe.
@@diatribeeverything I’m a bit and I can concur in the Aussie lobbies others exploit by teaming up with two noobs and destroy the hopes of everyone else. Glad I made the decision to quit the game recently. You’ve proven respawn has zero cred in helping ppl like myself both improve and have fun
I have noticed this too. The sad reality is, it probably won't matter. We have watched someoneeven re-code games for "records" and be caught. Nothing happened. Dream is a GREAT example.
I don't really expect much to change here tbh, I just had to call it out because I find it annoying that some of us have to suffer for one single good game in hours to days while these other dudes just abuse sbmm loopholes
@@Kasellos Viewers notice. I have played maybe two games this season but I still watch the good creators. It is pretty obvious. I am happy SOMEONE made a video.
@@ICaramelizedI Since I realized that I coud get a 3k and started to grind hard and stopped goofing around, my lobbies became full if masters and 20 bombers with 25k kills as well. Now I cannot get the 3k anymore, now its even hard to get 1.5k or more than 3 kills LOL
Hi Kasellos, I've heard a similar thing about abusing SBMM in Apex Pubs. Some say that matchmaking is based on your recent KD, so if you leave the game when you are on the drop ship for 10+ times, then you can get into a bot lobby and this is how SOME people constantly get 20 bombs.
Apex's matchmaking is more "recent performance based" rather than skill based, so you can actively perform poorly to change ur lobbies difficulty pretty quickly, which is why theres a decent amount of content creators who somehow manage to upload 25kill 6k damage games daily
If I was a fool, I would do that. I suspect that some of my teammates do that because they leave instantly and they have a 4k, 20 bomb, and another hard badge that I don't know. But now that I know how it works I will likely report them for leaving straight away.
@@TANJlR dude i looked up those kids rev was literally level 56 and crypto was level 131 stg and he’s throwing masters badges all over them 5:20 into the video, it’s so lame
Even if it's not intentional, that one guy who got lots of attention recently has no shame over the fact everyone he killed had base skins. I don't want to watch a pred farm new players. I want to watch a pub stomper shit on masters 3 stacks.
This sucks for lower level players too cause you’ll end up getting some crazy player that just runs over your entire team. You’ll look at the guys banner and it’s some 20k+ kill masters wraith when you’re just trying to reach the 1k kill mark with a character
This games whole matchmaking is broken, I won a game then instantly get three level 1s as champion squad. This is what you call bot lobbies but then i die 3 times in a row off how drop and literally get literal bots with Bot_Frank lmao
I believe it. I feel like the creators I watch are always having a daily upload on YT and I'm scratching my head like, those guys your facing just some how be missing shots and never down you.
thank you for making this, it honestly surprises me how people can watch a mid player drop 30 bombs everyday and not think something is off. If they’re legit, then they would stream like the rest of us, yet they don’t, not sus at all.
please feel free to stop by my stream and watch me roll and get rolled by pred 3 stacks. it’s just how apex is lil bro, thanks for trying to analyze my gameplay tho 😂😂
No wonder I played with people who are like 10x better than me. Shame on them if they intentionally do this to join my lobies as I am part of the bot players.
They probably are not intentionally doing it. If your skill is below average, sbmm will pity you and put you in a team with really good players so that your chances of getting a win increase exponentially.
I was curious about using a VPN, so I did it myself and went to the 3 most common bot lobbies available. All three lobbies were STACKED with 4k 20 masters players. Rose lobbies were harder than my normal ones. It's blatantly obvious creators, especially mid tier are using vpns
I generally hate bot lobbies even though I have never got a lobby that people were abusing. I have stopped playing Apex for periods of time and when I came back I had to learn my controls again. So I was playing against "good players" and got absolutely destroyed. But when I finally learn everything again, I am unintentionally in a bot lobby. (So I just sit on a rock on Storm Point and watch them miss every shot).
Absolute Facts Man. This needs to be addressed The Sbmm Is definitely Noticable between some UA-camrs and my games. For example I'm a Plat Player with around a 1.2-1.3 Kd and i consistently get games with Masters and Preds For Example this season only I've gotten into a game with some Players who are by far 5x Better than me to list a few Kohi Xll at the time was 97k on Rampart The Number 2 and 3 Fuse iiitzred at the time 45k Fuse V_Hydroplane at the time 57.1k Fuse Forever Shredded at the time 77.6k Horizon vs the UA-camrs who be getting consistent 20 Bombs and there lobby's be absolutely Bots. I be looking at the videos and be like How in the world are nit getting at least 1 Master or Even Diamond Stack in there entire Game.
I've been watching the #1 Loba player try to solo queue to master with every legend in the game and the difference between like a ranked bronze lobby and a ranked diamond lobby is big. He'll go from dropping around 20 kills every game in silver to around 4-8 by like diamond 2. The skill of the other players makes a massive difference in how many kills people can get even if they're really good at the game. Getting a 20 bomb against kill in high ELO games is insanely hard, and I'm not sure I've ever seen many people actually do it besides players like Faide or Aceu.
I figured this was happening because if you look at my lobbies ive been getting since im a day one player most of my solo games are teammates that cant hold they're own most of the time so i have to carry them while im facing master/pred stacks by myself because my teammates will disconnect too. It's been hard to get kills in my day one lobbies.
See my issue is im the "good" player who does decent in bot lobbies. Only to get rolled by preds in said bot lobby. Sad to be on the bottom of the foodchain but hey, someones gotta be there
I’m gonna say this I suck at the game most I’ve gotten is 11 kills and 3k damage yet I’m on lobby’s with preds masters 20 bomb players people with over 80 k kills on there trackers etc can I ask why ? If sbmm really worked should I not be in lower skilled lobby’s or are these all ppl abusing the system?
Season 17 has it's issues as well, such as I'm getting masters non-stop and coming across top 10 players such as the number 1 horizon multiple times, and for an example of his stats they have a 7kd this season whereas I only have a 1.7kd and even on my "recent performance" I don't even get kills for three games in a row and continue to get masters, even though I've never been master and 20bomb and 4k players consistently even though I can't solo them. For reference I play no fill duos.
I know SoarKobi has mentioned before he was tired of having to sweat all the time in Apex because of SBMM and how crazy our lobbies really get. The devs change matchmaking after Season 0-3 because the lobbies used to be mixed with everyone from your noob to your sweat. I used to be able to pull high kill games back then but now it's hard to get 1 or more kills on top of the fact your teammates can steal your kills
As a new player, i look forward to using this to avoid master/pred lobbies every single game 😅 like im sorry but fuck man. frustrating af. Im 2 months in and tired of getting matched vs the OG people who’ve played so long.
In my opinion i think there are content creators who abuse bot lobbies but not to the extent as most people say. Yes it is extremely easy to get into a bot lobby but its just as easy to play like 10 games when your solo queing for a challenge or anything that involves pubs. The system they use goes mainly off your recent kd so if you drop and die in the first 5 seconds you will get into bot lobbies but if you drop streamer building and die for 10 games you will get bot lobbies. I've personally had this happen many times where im solo queing and after 10+ games i just get into a really easy lobby and drop a 4k or 20. Again im not denying that alot of creators do use this but its also easy for this to happen naturally. People like faide have this happen daily since they solo que and alot of people underestimate how easy it is to make people look bad. Alot of people are just bad at the game in general and alot of people look bad when they die and to make someone look bad all you rly have to do is 1 clip them or catch them in a off angle. Its harder to make someone look good when you kill them instead of making them look bad.
Im in the category where I can do just good enough in pred 3 stack solo trio lobbies for the game to keep me there, but not bad enough to die immediately and get put into a lower lobby. Ngl I dont mind when the game puts me into a lower tier lobby because 1, im solo q'ing, 2, its kinda the only way to enjoy pubs.
Thanks. I don't think that applies for mixtape though. Because I can guarantee you that I have an extremely bad aim all and yet 90% of the time I am placed in a game where I am literally the worst player (in dmg and/or kills).
Are you the guy who cant do over 500 dmg in 15 minutes of control non stop shooting? Because in every single game there are at least 5-6 players fairly consistently who cant do over 1000dmg.
this happens to me 5 games in a row on accident and I still don't get easy players, so doing it on purpose definitely doesn't do anything, and I tried it, and it doesn't do anything, champion squad still all 20k kills +, maybe you just got a lucky lobby or maybe it is a "away" from game deal to make you want to stay playing when you get back on.
Apex Legends doesn’t use SBMM. It uses EOMM (engagement optimized matchmaking). Which is an extremely hard system to rigg your games to give you a certain game experience. Sbmm says: ALL players in the lobby I get matched with are on MY skill level. So each player should be around the same KD, damage average or even rank. (Which is stupid non sense since we are talking about PUBLIC matchmaking for CASUAL gameplay - but hey.) But this isnt the case - I get matched with golds, masters and Preds in the same lobbies in public. This is NOT the definition of SBMM. The definition of EOMM is: The matchmaching tries to to „guide“ you through the game and match you with players to give you a certain experience. For example: game wants you to get some kills - so here is your below average skill lobby. Then you farm some players that are clearly worse than you to give you a good experience. You drop like 7-20 kills (depends ob lobby and your skill level). After that „high kill gameplay“ the matchmaking thinks „oh this guy just had a good experience with many kills, well thats enough for now“. Then it will match you with a very high skill lobby on average with some players that are way over your own skill level. After some of those lobbies you will get a low skill lobby again. Thats how it works. And in case you didnt know: For STREAMERS (aspecially EA sponsored Content creators) EA WHITELISTS sponsored content creators. They get extremely easy lobbies in public. Faide for example farms gold players all day. The Whitelist has been proven. Activision also whitelists their content creator.
I’m not saying your wrong at all. But Faide just plays. His biggest videos are him fighting your favorite content creators and pros. To say all he does is farm gold?!?! Idk bout that, he literally gets chased by 3 stack masters…. Idk I think with him his hands are rated E everybody catching them.
@@jebridarden 90% of the players in his lobbies are below average. He gets chased by those master 3 stacks you are talking about in 1 out of 20 games. I am Diamond on a 3KD and have preds and Masters ANY lobby I play in pubs. Faide is on a like 8. KD and is Pred level and plays mostly against players below average KD.
Bro there has been plenty of YT videos where I've thought it looked to easy or if that was me I would have died be being in the open or solo no fill the list goes on .
Im a previous pred and my friend told me about a glitch that’s extremely gatekept to get into bot lobbies so I figured I’d try it once just for laughs and first game I did it there was 5 streamers in that lobby. I have a 3+ kd and a 16% win rate and I saw more streamers in that bot lobby than I typically see In a month of playing in my real lobbies. Apparently this is the same glitch people have been using to get into bronze lobbies when they are pred to
Love seeing these vids exposing a lot of these UA-camrs. One thing I always watch for when watching someone is amount of squads left by the end of zone 1. Bot lobby's usually have 12-15 squads left while average lobbies j get have 5-7 squads. Keep it up!!
What sucks more then this is strike packs and cronus zen at high level apex. Most preds use it on console to gain pred and abuse it in pubs. It's so bad bro
they should add like a soft lock that once you hit like 10000 kills total on your account you should be locked from ever being in these lobbys idk how they haven't already done this
I love how Kullen is just straight up about things. Man said he forgot he was testing this when he got on the next day. I dont know why but that made me laugh.
if you have an high average k/d this doesnt work consistently, they just gonna put you with a good teammate and if you have a good game earlier the matchmaking gonna put you with brainless teammate.
there are a lot of really good players who dont drop insanely high kill/damage games as consistently as some youtubers who clearly aren't that skilled/insane at the game (not to discredit/downplay anyone) so its pretty obvious who does this and who doesn't tbh
I created another account to help my friend in ranked and got a 2800 damage game and a 14 damage game, i am TERRIBLE at apex, over 1.6k games my highest damage is 1700 and my highest kills is 9 on my main, yet on my new account i got more in like 5 games, the difference in skill between lobbies is immense lol
It’s not hard to drop a high damage game against good players, they heal more. Also you can get into easier lobbies in 10 minutes without affecting your kd. I doubt anyone sits in a game and shoots at air lol
I start in Apex legends a few weeks ago, and this apply to non BR modes too - For example I was trying to make a weekly challenge to get 10k damage with pistols, so I have 3 o 4 games with only the P2020, so the damage, aim, kills, where pretty bad. But after that I notice the skill level of the enemies where very very low. So yeah have some kind of skill level adjusment, the issue here it's too much easy go from your "correct" level to a very low level, and destroy the experience of people that are in that place for real reasons, or make this "fantastic" stadistics plays.
I mean. Seems like theres a lot of personal incentive to upload this. You know youll get views by showing ppl how to exploit and then just add a title that makes it look like its for good reasons.
lol.. this is funny. I actually adjusted my mouse sensitivity yesterday and got instantly better accuracy results. On average about 25% from around 20%ish before and damn after a couple of games, I felt the intensity in lobbies... At the time I didn't realise that this could matter here... This is actually sad, that if this is true, then these metrics giving such a big impact on SBMM are a bit too much. But look from the bright side, at one point crazy cheaters are playing against other cheaters, however, better players are more likely to get more cheaters if that's the case.
I always notice the first game I play of the day, its always the easiest lobby. Even when playing ranked. Idk what thats all about. Would think they want the first to be average so you have a decent game and feel like you can improve.
I can kinda buy the accuracy idea because if I'm in a tough lobby with a bad teammate, I'll have decent aim with decent damage but die with zero kills because I'm alone... And of course, as we've all felt at some point, after getting shat on by a party of preds im then back in another high tier lobby
Hey bro 2:08 I can 100% confirm that accuracy is tracked. 3k Watty with Garbo aim it’s bad ngl I potato at times. And my aim gets me killed most of the time. I’m not a noob tho I can control my gun if that makes sense I’m decent literally yesterday I had some extremely extremely nasty streamer beams like 3 in a row one after another must have been AT LEAST 95 accuracy like I down them all in 2-3 r-99 mags. You know who are in my very next games AND on my team? Masters and preds I swear I cannot be a coincidence that you said that right after experiencing the very scenario you describe
I see this with some content creators quite a lot, wasn’t sure if it was just luck of sometimes people just get them but I don’t think that’s possible with their skill level
@ayex is a HUGE problem for bot lobbies, every single one of this enemies is a bot, and he averages 100k+ views, i unsubbed from him when i found this out.
I just quit the game the matchmaking in this game is probably the worst out of every mp game i've ever played. Been playing since season 3 im just done for now the amount of sweat even in pubs with literal ai teammates. This game is a literal gem but due to the matchmaking its a dumpster fire don't get me started on the servers. If i wanna play mp games i'll hop on mw2 and drops some mgb's i really love the invasion mode. Hope apex gets better but its been like 4 years and its steadily getting worse. I also find it funny how we have a report function on apex for smurfing. Yet alot of streamers/content creators are out here smurfing or abusing the matchmaking to get easy lobbies its a complete joke. I swear single player and co-op pve are the only real fun games nowadays. With the amount of cheating/sbmm/eomm matchmaking every pvp game usually has. Its not about having a random experience every new match you play anymore. Its rigged to make you play as long as possible while extracting the most money out of you. I miss when i could come home to actually be excited to hop on multiplayer games. Its sad honestly.
I appreciate you actually no fill for the games you did nothing on, people do that while queuing with teammates and ruin the game for everyone once they leave
As much as I agree with you on the aspect of creators using bot lobbies as a way to get views is cheap. Apex legends as a game now is SO SWEATY, is doesn't matter if you're playing pubs or ranked bronze, you will always find one team of preds, masters or EVEN DIAMONDS that are decimating lobbies and me as a solo player queuing with random teammates is not gonna work out well. I also understand that apex is a TEAM based game but at the end of the day, you will not win every gunfight and might not even get a win simply because of SBMM. It's hard to enjoy mainly because I'm stuck constantly questioning my skill or gunplay which just makes me play and inturn makes me tilted. Point being, this is entirely respawn's responsibility, they will not change the system because it doesn't affect them.
So thats why the game puts me always in pred lobbies full of 4k 20 bomb badges, while i have only 100 kills and 3 wins.. i hit my shots while i'm getting stombed on ^^ nice ^^
Tbh, this is not my gaming account but I think that people who upload 20 bombs religiously play no fill. I got a 14 kill 3k dmg game and people said I was fighting bots. They haven’t seen the video yet of course cause I’m still editing, but they think my lobbies are easy. But behind that juicer game was a thousand deaths trying to fight just one squad alone or just bad drops/ guns. But literally I only play no fill any time I’m on. It doesn’t bother me cause I’m used to fights being at a disadvantage and I actually enjoy it when I do well. Also only playing no fill increased your chances to get content. I rarely get 10 kill games cause I’m not as good as the other content creators out there but I’m doing the same thing they do, just play game after game untill I get a great one. I watch their twitch so I know this. And the people they fight aren’t even bots, they are just so good they make people look like bots. And I know I’m not a bot. I’ve done a lot of comparison between myself and great players. I’m just below their level if I’m being realistic. I shield swap fast, loot fast, jump and crouch while looting on controller, super glide, super jump, have above decent accuracy ads and hip fire, can flick shot snipers and shotguns. And I do it on console so there’s no scripts involved. Only thing that might be messing up my match making is the amount of times I die quickly because I have no team support
Sadly I think this was exploited back when respawn introduced storm point. You would land on prowler nests and just die. They patched that up quick, but I agree with you, what a shitty way to create content by discouraging new players to even play this game again. Btw I’ve never seen you before, but the way you use Wattson in such an offensive way instead of the traditional defensive style most play her as, bravo sir. You’re fucking cracked, also shoutout to that Gibby staying alive by dancing through bullets lol.
But I do have to say Lumi is a bit more believeable because they dont delete comments when people accuse them of bot lobbies. Lumi replies saying he ended up in those kind of lobbies because he died to three stacks many times
Can anyone tell me how to get easier lobbies please? I'm new but keep getting put against diamond players and it's not fun at all, makes me not want to play honestly
Same man I’ve played the game on and off for a while I love the concept of the game yet I can’t enjoy it when I’m matched with people 4K 20bomb badges bruh
This video was so pointless, no one’s going to stop watching these creators that are abusing this and now you just let 13k people know how to abuse this as well so even more people will be going into bot lobbies and abusing the match making but hey atleast you made some money from this video right ?
thank you. i thought i was the only person who knew this. yeah most of the content on thsi game is really cringe. I get reccomended alot of youtubers who write some of the most cringe titles claiming to be some sweat lord meanwhile the enemies im watching them kill have the game sense of a gold fish.
How do they abuse matchmaking? I dont think there is a way to abuse them. Its only bought cheats. My kd is avarage and im thrown into every match with a lot of team sweats (pred, master badges). And i had them even back when i was level 100 and something and back then my kd was bad 0.80-0.90
My lobbies are like 3 players all with 6K + killson their main - i have a 0.6KD FFS its just not right - I may have to do this :S - I play with controller on PC - i aint the best with my aim but im insane with my game sense...
Thanks for the upload!! it was fun to watch in a way but its definitely less exciting than your usual upload, however it shines a light on quite an abused loophole in the game. Thanks once again for your patronage 🖖
I legit dont know how to tell who does this, so imma ask. Does District or Mangos do this cuz they seem legitimately good and they’re the 2 i watch the most.
This is a great video, glad you are calling these people out. Tired of seeing this used and its clear who does it. Especially who their opponents are.
😮 it’s my fav Wattson player
ive spent 19 seasons missing 95% of my shots and im still against preds :)
Imagine Seeing Your Name In The Kill Feed While Being Called An NPC 😭
Tbf this guy said he had like 8k hours i myself have 1.5k ive never trown a match nor have the people i que with but we've seen plenty of 20 bomb pred sweatz in our lobbies or just 4k 20kill wonder how many are legit
@@MrMastrmonstr I haven’t ever killed myself for this either and I’ve only had one 20 bomb ranked is almost an easier place to get 20s because people survive and actually 3rd party you
I had a friend that got literally zero damage in multiple matches he was literally worse than a bot lol
I think my biggest issue with it isnt even the fact theyre exploiting sbmm, its the fact they unintentionally make players feel worse about their own skill level.
I wish i could be as good as players i see who are content creators but im not, and for a long time this really lowered my own self asteem when it comes to the game. Then i realised a lot of them abuse sbmm to get into easy lobbies.
Not to say any of these players are bad, a lot of them are still way better than me, but id be curious to see how a lot of these players perform in lobbies they ACTUALLY belong in.
One such example is Zeus, who about a year ago posted footage of what his actual lobbies looked like and he got shit on in so many games, and i have a lot of respect for him actually coming out and saying "this is what our lobbies genuinely look like."
Yeah it has lowered my self asteem alot,I've been playing Apex since season 3 and I peaked in skill between season 7 and season 13,it makes me sad seeing how bad I am at the game now,because in the back of my mind I know I deserve a higher rank but I can't play well if I keep getting my ass beat every game
side note: all my content comes from my live stream at twitch.tv/kasellos so you know I ain't abusing bot lobbies intentionally on stream that is all ty
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Disclaimer: (a majority of this is speculative as you can never 100% confirm this stuff) and just because sometimes people get easy lobbies doesnt mean they are intentionally doing it!!! I should add theres definitely more ways to do it than just this, and also sometimes youll randomly get gifted some bad lobbies if you die enough off drop so its important to know the difference between the 2, and also please don't send anyone hate (ever). Also don't hate me for showing how to abuse sbmm, I had to for the sake of supporting evidence
Thank you! It's so obvious when people do this. Then they get more bots in the sense that they spend all day curating their comments saying dumb shit like "this isn't a bot lobby. This guy is legit. Played the other day and he fried me.". It's so cringe.
@@diatribeeverything I’m a bit and I can concur in the Aussie lobbies others exploit by teaming up with two noobs and destroy the hopes of everyone else. Glad I made the decision to quit the game recently. You’ve proven respawn has zero cred in helping ppl like myself both improve and have fun
Faz definitely abuses it , un subbed from him cause of it
I have noticed this too. The sad reality is, it probably won't matter. We have watched someoneeven re-code games for "records" and be caught. Nothing happened. Dream is a GREAT example.
I don't really expect much to change here tbh, I just had to call it out because I find it annoying that some of us have to suffer for one single good game in hours to days while these other dudes just abuse sbmm loopholes
@@Kasellos Viewers notice. I have played maybe two games this season but I still watch the good creators.
It is pretty obvious. I am happy SOMEONE made a video.
"6K DMG 36KILLS 4K APEX EXP *relaxing* *satisfying*"
I've noticed that first game of the day is almost always an easier lobby
Most of my first games of the day are filled with predators and masters lol.
@@ICaramelizedI Since I realized that I coud get a 3k and started to grind hard and stopped goofing around, my lobbies became full if masters and 20 bombers with 25k kills as well. Now I cannot get the 3k anymore, now its even hard to get 1.5k or more than 3 kills LOL
BRO SAME, i was wondering what that was about
@@0rcon 100% first game on is easy lobby every time
Hi Kasellos, I've heard a similar thing about abusing SBMM in Apex Pubs. Some say that matchmaking is based on your recent KD, so if you leave the game when you are on the drop ship for 10+ times, then you can get into a bot lobby and this is how SOME people constantly get 20 bombs.
Apex's matchmaking is more "recent performance based" rather than skill based, so you can actively perform poorly to change ur lobbies difficulty pretty quickly, which is why theres a decent amount of content creators who somehow manage to upload 25kill 6k damage games daily
@@Kasellos and by some you mean every major one 😂
If I was a fool, I would do that. I suspect that some of my teammates do that because they leave instantly and they have a 4k, 20 bomb, and another hard badge that I don't know. But now that I know how it works I will likely report them for leaving straight away.
@@3ildcard Faide plays NA lobbies, that contributes to how easy a server can be, also he dies a lot in streams, which adds to the “recent kd lobbies”
@@lamp6909 If you think NA lobbies are the easiest you are dense as a rock. Easily the best overall players especially the controllers.
Hvapex for sure exploiting this dude can't even move
stg his video that dropped today he’s killing level 50s and 130s 😂 i looked up the players it’s ridiculous
Fr bro and he mocks it as well he kills a revenant thats probably level 50 and starts spamming quips and tbagging such a sad guy
@@TANJlR dude i looked up those kids rev was literally level 56 and crypto was level 131 stg and he’s throwing masters badges all over them 5:20 into the video, it’s so lame
@@Sati457 yeahh thats the one
@@Sati457 crazy how dude does this and gets money for it aswell
Even if it's not intentional, that one guy who got lots of attention recently has no shame over the fact everyone he killed had base skins. I don't want to watch a pred farm new players. I want to watch a pub stomper shit on masters 3 stacks.
agree just watch faide not a fanboy
but he said it in the comments that he was restarting games before he gets the lobbies
Who? Why not just say the name
This sucks for lower level players too cause you’ll end up getting some crazy player that just runs over your entire team. You’ll look at the guys banner and it’s some 20k+ kill masters wraith when you’re just trying to reach the 1k kill mark with a character
Is this the reason I constantly get put up against masters and preds even though I've never made it past gold😂
This games whole matchmaking is broken, I won a game then instantly get three level 1s as champion squad. This is what you call bot lobbies but then i die 3 times in a row off how drop and literally get literal bots with Bot_Frank lmao
that thermite and wattson's heirloom synced up perfectly 7:26
I believe it. I feel like the creators I watch are always having a daily upload on YT and I'm scratching my head like, those guys your facing just some how be missing shots and never down you.
The ayex guy is queuing into console bot lobby to farm clout, my friend ran into him when they're trying to have fun
thank you for making this, it honestly surprises me how people can watch a mid player drop 30 bombs everyday and not think something is off. If they’re legit, then they would stream like the rest of us, yet they don’t, not sus at all.
literally the fae and ayex guys do this it’s so strange
@@Oakboyy it’s so blatant too. They’ll go an entire game and not even take like 300dmg cuz they just script on new players all day
please feel free to stop by my stream and watch me roll and get rolled by pred 3 stacks. it’s just how apex is lil bro, thanks for trying to analyze my gameplay tho 😂😂
@@3ildcard is this towards mizery?? comedical
@@3ildcard He just started claw a few months ago give him time
One time I was afk restarted the game and got in a game where I got 4K 16 kills the bots were unreal
No wonder I played with people who are like 10x better than me. Shame on them if they intentionally do this to join my lobies as I am part of the bot players.
I feel ya bro. I’m there too. Slowly getting better, but still got a long way to go
They probably are not intentionally doing it. If your skill is below average, sbmm will pity you and put you in a team with really good players so that your chances of getting a win increase exponentially.
I was curious about using a VPN, so I did it myself and went to the 3 most common bot lobbies available. All three lobbies were STACKED with 4k 20 masters players. Rose lobbies were harder than my normal ones. It's blatantly obvious creators, especially mid tier are using vpns
I generally hate bot lobbies even though I have never got a lobby that people were abusing. I have stopped playing Apex for periods of time and when I came back I had to learn my controls again. So I was playing against "good players" and got absolutely destroyed. But when I finally learn everything again, I am unintentionally in a bot lobby. (So I just sit on a rock on Storm Point and watch them miss every shot).
Thanks man, we can only hope they adjust to fix stuff like this from happening. I appreciate what you do, you are the best!
Absolute Facts Man. This needs to be addressed
The Sbmm Is definitely Noticable between some UA-camrs and my games.
For example I'm a Plat Player with around a 1.2-1.3 Kd and i consistently get games with Masters and Preds
For Example this season only I've gotten into a game with some Players who are by far 5x Better than me to list a few
Kohi Xll at the time was 97k on Rampart
The Number 2 and 3 Fuse
iiitzred at the time 45k Fuse
V_Hydroplane at the time 57.1k Fuse
Forever Shredded at the time 77.6k Horizon
vs the UA-camrs who be getting consistent 20 Bombs and there lobby's be absolutely Bots. I be looking at the videos and be like How in the world are nit getting at least 1 Master or Even Diamond Stack in there entire Game.
To add on I Mostly Solo Q apex and I rarely play in a stack
I've been watching the #1 Loba player try to solo queue to master with every legend in the game and the difference between like a ranked bronze lobby and a ranked diamond lobby is big. He'll go from dropping around 20 kills every game in silver to around 4-8 by like diamond 2. The skill of the other players makes a massive difference in how many kills people can get even if they're really good at the game. Getting a 20 bomb against kill in high ELO games is insanely hard, and I'm not sure I've ever seen many people actually do it besides players like Faide or Aceu.
@@coolbrotherf127 Yep
I figured this was happening because if you look at my lobbies ive been getting since im a day one player most of my solo games are teammates that cant hold they're own most of the time so i have to carry them while im facing master/pred stacks by myself because my teammates will disconnect too. It's been hard to get kills in my day one lobbies.
If they fix that, Fae and Ayex wont upload every 2 days but rather every 2 months lmao
nah ayex is on xim, he should still be able to get really good games even against masters players
I was searching for this comment 💀💀
Aye is on xim, u can see his aim shaking alot for a controller, not to mention he also use joytoker for the movement, never missed his superglide etc
bot lobbies are only a thing because of the way the apex SBMM works
See my issue is im the "good" player who does decent in bot lobbies. Only to get rolled by preds in said bot lobby. Sad to be on the bottom of the foodchain but hey, someones gotta be there
Hey bro I’m just like you to where I’m good enough to slam through bots but not good enough for any master or ores I barely play at this point
Can’t blame them tbh. The skill based matchmaking is trash
I’m gonna say this I suck at the game most I’ve gotten is 11 kills and 3k damage yet I’m on lobby’s with preds masters 20 bomb players people with over 80 k kills on there trackers etc can I ask why ? If sbmm really worked should I not be in lower skilled lobby’s or are these all ppl abusing the system?
Season 17 has it's issues as well, such as I'm getting masters non-stop and coming across top 10 players such as the number 1 horizon multiple times, and for an example of his stats they have a 7kd this season whereas I only have a 1.7kd and even on my "recent performance" I don't even get kills for three games in a row and continue to get masters, even though I've never been master and 20bomb and 4k players consistently even though I can't solo them. For reference I play no fill duos.
You are a real one for making this video
I know SoarKobi has mentioned before he was tired of having to sweat all the time in Apex because of SBMM and how crazy our lobbies really get. The devs change matchmaking after Season 0-3 because the lobbies used to be mixed with everyone from your noob to your sweat. I used to be able to pull high kill games back then but now it's hard to get 1 or more kills on top of the fact your teammates can steal your kills
As a new player, i look forward to using this to avoid master/pred lobbies every single game 😅 like im sorry but fuck man. frustrating af. Im 2 months in and tired of getting matched vs the OG people who’ve played so long.
If you're new, you will probably get destroyed by silver players too
In my opinion i think there are content creators who abuse bot lobbies but not to the extent as most people say. Yes it is extremely easy to get into a bot lobby but its just as easy to play like 10 games when your solo queing for a challenge or anything that involves pubs. The system they use goes mainly off your recent kd so if you drop and die in the first 5 seconds you will get into bot lobbies but if you drop streamer building and die for 10 games you will get bot lobbies. I've personally had this happen many times where im solo queing and after 10+ games i just get into a really easy lobby and drop a 4k or 20. Again im not denying that alot of creators do use this but its also easy for this to happen naturally. People like faide have this happen daily since they solo que and alot of people underestimate how easy it is to make people look bad. Alot of people are just bad at the game in general and alot of people look bad when they die and to make someone look bad all you rly have to do is 1 clip them or catch them in a off angle. Its harder to make someone look good when you kill them instead of making them look bad.
Im in the category where I can do just good enough in pred 3 stack solo trio lobbies for the game to keep me there, but not bad enough to die immediately and get put into a lower lobby. Ngl I dont mind when the game puts me into a lower tier lobby because 1, im solo q'ing, 2, its kinda the only way to enjoy pubs.
Thanks. I don't think that applies for mixtape though. Because I can guarantee you that I have an extremely bad aim all and yet 90% of the time I am placed in a game where I am literally the worst player (in dmg and/or kills).
Mixtape doesn't take anything into account i believe, since its not that popular it just fills a lobby with anyone who wants to play
Are you the guy who cant do over 500 dmg in 15 minutes of control non stop shooting? Because in every single game there are at least 5-6 players fairly consistently who cant do over 1000dmg.
this happens to me 5 games in a row on accident and I still don't get easy players, so doing it on purpose definitely doesn't do anything, and I tried it, and it doesn't do anything, champion squad still all 20k kills +, maybe you just got a lucky lobby or maybe it is a "away" from game deal to make you want to stay playing when you get back on.
Im doing this shit im silver in diamond lobbies and pubs is just cancer. I can live with myself plus EA forced my hand
Apex Legends doesn’t use SBMM.
It uses EOMM (engagement optimized matchmaking).
Which is an extremely hard system to rigg your games to give you a certain game experience.
Sbmm says: ALL players in the lobby I get matched with are on MY skill level. So each player should be around the same KD, damage average or even rank.
(Which is stupid non sense since we are talking about PUBLIC matchmaking for CASUAL gameplay - but hey.)
But this isnt the case - I get matched with golds, masters and Preds in the same lobbies in public.
This is NOT the definition of SBMM.
The definition of EOMM is:
The matchmaching tries to to „guide“ you through the game and match you with players to give you a certain experience.
For example: game wants you to get some kills - so here is your below average skill lobby.
Then you farm some players that are clearly worse than you to give you a good experience.
You drop like 7-20 kills (depends ob lobby and your skill level).
After that „high kill gameplay“ the matchmaking thinks „oh this guy just had a good experience with many kills, well thats enough for now“.
Then it will match you with a very high skill lobby on average with some players that are way over your own skill level.
After some of those lobbies you will get a low skill lobby again.
Thats how it works.
And in case you didnt know:
For STREAMERS (aspecially EA sponsored Content creators)
EA WHITELISTS sponsored content creators.
They get extremely easy lobbies in public.
Faide for example farms gold players all day.
The Whitelist has been proven. Activision also whitelists their content creator.
To be fair a lot of big streamers are big because they actually are just that good at the game.
preach it brother,no one likes EOMM in their game.
I’m not saying your wrong at all. But Faide just plays. His biggest videos are him fighting your favorite content creators and pros. To say all he does is farm gold?!?! Idk bout that, he literally gets chased by 3 stack masters…. Idk I think with him his hands are rated E everybody catching them.
@@jebridarden 90% of the players in his lobbies are below average.
He gets chased by those master 3 stacks you are talking about in 1 out of 20 games.
I am Diamond on a 3KD and have preds and Masters ANY lobby I play in pubs.
Faide is on a like 8. KD and is Pred level and plays mostly against players below average KD.
Even though Respawn said they don't use EOMM which hard to believe because EA is strong supporter and believer in EOMM
Bro there has been plenty of YT videos where I've thought it looked to easy or if that was me I would have died be being in the open or solo no fill the list goes on .
Im a previous pred and my friend told me about a glitch that’s extremely gatekept to get into bot lobbies so I figured I’d try it once just for laughs and first game I did it there was 5 streamers in that lobby. I have a 3+ kd and a 16% win rate and I saw more streamers in that bot lobby than I typically see In a month of playing in my real lobbies. Apparently this is the same glitch people have been using to get into bronze lobbies when they are pred to
No wonder I see people with extreme skill out match in rookie fucking rookie Mr these people abuse the system to get kills
The cap is strong with this one
Love seeing these vids exposing a lot of these UA-camrs. One thing I always watch for when watching someone is amount of squads left by the end of zone 1. Bot lobby's usually have 12-15 squads left while average lobbies j get have 5-7 squads. Keep it up!!
Yesterday Koala made a video of exposing 2 of them but they made copyright strike and took the video down.
What sucks more then this is strike packs and cronus zen at high level apex. Most preds use it on console to gain pred and abuse it in pubs. It's so bad bro
How do you know? They might be using advanced controller settings
they should add like a soft lock that once you hit like 10000 kills total on your account you should be locked from ever being in these lobbys idk how they haven't already done this
I love how Kullen is just straight up about things. Man said he forgot he was testing this when he got on the next day. I dont know why but that made me laugh.
if you have an high average k/d this doesnt work consistently, they just gonna put you with a good teammate and if you have a good game earlier the matchmaking gonna put you with brainless teammate.
If they are getting views and making money thats a W for them at the end of the day it’s just a game and they wanna have fun
I just quit out of games until I get bot lobbies for badges, I don't profit off of it though with content
I thought they patched that
@@pep3577 Doesn't seem like it
noticed this in Mixtape too! this might explain it. holy moly. dude, what a simple hack. no button combo necessary.
there are a lot of really good players who dont drop insanely high kill/damage games as consistently as some youtubers who clearly aren't that skilled/insane at the game (not to discredit/downplay anyone) so its pretty obvious who does this and who doesn't tbh
I created another account to help my friend in ranked and got a 2800 damage game and a 14 damage game, i am TERRIBLE at apex, over 1.6k games my highest damage is 1700 and my highest kills is 9 on my main, yet on my new account i got more in like 5 games, the difference in skill between lobbies is immense lol
It’s not hard to drop a high damage game against good players, they heal more. Also you can get into easier lobbies in 10 minutes without affecting your kd. I doubt anyone sits in a game and shoots at air lol
ive been unintentionally getting bot lobbies just cos i cant aim then 😭
I start in Apex legends a few weeks ago, and this apply to non BR modes too - For example I was trying to make a weekly challenge to get 10k damage with pistols, so I have 3 o 4 games with only the P2020, so the damage, aim, kills, where pretty bad. But after that I notice the skill level of the enemies where very very low.
So yeah have some kind of skill level adjusment, the issue here it's too much easy go from your "correct" level to a very low level, and destroy the experience of people that are in that place for real reasons, or make this "fantastic" stadistics plays.
I mean. Seems like theres a lot of personal incentive to upload this. You know youll get views by showing ppl how to exploit and then just add a title that makes it look like its for good reasons.
I thought this also.
lol.. this is funny. I actually adjusted my mouse sensitivity yesterday and got instantly better accuracy results. On average about 25% from around 20%ish before and damn after a couple of games, I felt the intensity in lobbies... At the time I didn't realise that this could matter here... This is actually sad, that if this is true, then these metrics giving such a big impact on SBMM are a bit too much. But look from the bright side, at one point crazy cheaters are playing against other cheaters, however, better players are more likely to get more cheaters if that's the case.
raised or lowered sens?
@@LawnFlamingoPoop lowered by around 10%. But this can be very individual to each of us.
I think ayex and fae apex do it most of the people they kill got default skins on and dont shoot at them
I always notice the first game I play of the day, its always the easiest lobby. Even when playing ranked. Idk what thats all about. Would think they want the first to be average so you have a decent game and feel like you can improve.
I can kinda buy the accuracy idea because if I'm in a tough lobby with a bad teammate, I'll have decent aim with decent damage but die with zero kills because I'm alone...
And of course, as we've all felt at some point, after getting shat on by a party of preds im then back in another high tier lobby
Just watched a 30+ kill pub vid and then this was in the reccommended LMAO
Hey bro 2:08 I can 100% confirm that accuracy is tracked. 3k Watty with Garbo aim it’s bad ngl I potato at times. And my aim gets me killed most of the time. I’m not a noob tho I can control my gun if that makes sense I’m decent literally yesterday I had some extremely extremely nasty streamer beams like 3 in a row one after another must have been AT LEAST 95 accuracy like I down them all in 2-3 r-99 mags. You know who are in my very next games AND on my team? Masters and preds I swear I cannot be a coincidence that you said that right after experiencing the very scenario you describe
I see this with some content creators quite a lot, wasn’t sure if it was just luck of sometimes people just get them but I don’t think that’s possible with their skill level
@ayex is a HUGE problem for bot lobbies, every single one of this enemies is a bot, and he averages 100k+ views, i unsubbed from him when i found this out.
same with hv apex
I just quit the game the matchmaking in this game is probably the worst out of every mp game i've ever played. Been playing since season 3 im just done for now the amount of sweat even in pubs with literal ai teammates. This game is a literal gem but due to the matchmaking its a dumpster fire don't get me started on the servers.
If i wanna play mp games i'll hop on mw2 and drops some mgb's i really love the invasion mode. Hope apex gets better but its been like 4 years and its steadily getting worse. I also find it funny how we have a report function on apex for smurfing. Yet alot of streamers/content creators are out here smurfing or abusing the matchmaking to get easy lobbies its a complete joke.
I swear single player and co-op pve are the only real fun games nowadays. With the amount of cheating/sbmm/eomm matchmaking every pvp game usually has. Its not about having a random experience every new match you play anymore. Its rigged to make you play as long as possible while extracting the most money out of you. I miss when i could come home to actually be excited to hop on multiplayer games. Its sad honestly.
People like ayex and fae definitely do
I appreciate you actually no fill for the games you did nothing on, people do that while queuing with teammates and ruin the game for everyone once they leave
They wouldn't be exploiting the lobbies if respawn would fix them
As much as I agree with you on the aspect of creators using bot lobbies as a way to get views is cheap. Apex legends as a game now is SO SWEATY, is doesn't matter if you're playing pubs or ranked bronze, you will always find one team of preds, masters or EVEN DIAMONDS that are decimating lobbies and me as a solo player queuing with random teammates is not gonna work out well. I also understand that apex is a TEAM based game but at the end of the day, you will not win every gunfight and might not even get a win simply because of SBMM.
It's hard to enjoy mainly because I'm stuck constantly questioning my skill or gunplay which just makes me play and inturn makes me tilted. Point being, this is entirely respawn's responsibility, they will not change the system because it doesn't affect them.
There’s videos called apex but it’s relaxing, I swear to god he’s in boy lobbies
Is this why I have a really good game (for me is 4 kills) then I get killed off drop and end up with a level 14 teammate?
So thats why the game puts me always in pred lobbies full of 4k 20 bomb badges, while i have only 100 kills and 3 wins.. i hit my shots while i'm getting stombed on ^^ nice ^^
It so hard to get good solo games ,stressful af,but their always the best to watch
This is why I think people should not be able to make alt accounts, I think that’s such bullshit
Tbh, this is not my gaming account but I think that people who upload 20 bombs religiously play no fill. I got a 14 kill 3k dmg game and people said I was fighting bots. They haven’t seen the video yet of course cause I’m still editing, but they think my lobbies are easy. But behind that juicer game was a thousand deaths trying to fight just one squad alone or just bad drops/ guns. But literally I only play no fill any time I’m on. It doesn’t bother me cause I’m used to fights being at a disadvantage and I actually enjoy it when I do well. Also only playing no fill increased your chances to get content. I rarely get 10 kill games cause I’m not as good as the other content creators out there but I’m doing the same thing they do, just play game after game untill I get a great one. I watch their twitch so I know this. And the people they fight aren’t even bots, they are just so good they make people look like bots.
And I know I’m not a bot. I’ve done a lot of comparison between myself and great players. I’m just below their level if I’m being realistic. I shield swap fast, loot fast, jump and crouch while looting on controller, super glide, super jump, have above decent accuracy ads and hip fire, can flick shot snipers and shotguns. And I do it on console so there’s no scripts involved. Only thing that might be messing up my match making is the amount of times I die quickly because I have no team support
It’s sad cuz my daughters want to play so I’m teaching them one is ranked 12 and 3.
I’m just running into this or smurfs.
for me its the opposite i hit dim 4 in season 12 didnt play until this season and i only get master-pred lobbys
It’s funny that you say that bcz I’ve noticed that I’ve gotten loads of high kill games after getting murked for 5-6 lobbies straight.
When it dawns on me that I'm only getting 2k damage and 5 kills because I'm constantly in bot lobbies because I'm trash xD
Idk I always drop far spend game in Storm then camp my way up to second place to get shit on.always get tuff lobbys
Kasellos always a real one⚡️
Sadly I think this was exploited back when respawn introduced storm point. You would land on prowler nests and just die. They patched that up quick, but I agree with you, what a shitty way to create content by discouraging new players to even play this game again.
Btw I’ve never seen you before, but the way you use Wattson in such an offensive way instead of the traditional defensive style most play her as, bravo sir. You’re fucking cracked, also shoutout to that Gibby staying alive by dancing through bullets lol.
hmmmm...hv apex ( youtuber )? 2 videos every day, all 20 bombs, 5k/6k dmg, players moving like npc's? just saying kinda sus
let's be honest he's talking about Lumi xD
Lumi, Ayex, Fae, Faz, HVApex
But I do have to say Lumi is a bit more believeable because they dont delete comments when people accuse them of bot lobbies. Lumi replies saying he ended up in those kind of lobbies because he died to three stacks many times
Can anyone tell me how to get easier lobbies please? I'm new but keep getting put against diamond players and it's not fun at all, makes me not want to play honestly
Same man I’ve played the game on and off for a while I love the concept of the game yet I can’t enjoy it when I’m matched with people 4K 20bomb badges bruh
This video was so pointless, no one’s going to stop watching these creators that are abusing this and now you just let 13k people know how to abuse this as well so even more people will be going into bot lobbies and abusing the match making but hey atleast you made some money from this video right ?
If 13k more people know how to do it. They will have to resolve the issue quicker. Shit I would rather the entire player base knows how to.
I just drop every game get like 2-4 kills and die then eventually get put into an easier lobby
lol the "what the?"
Hey Kasellos,
Do you think you could do a video on tips for no fill solo queueing? T
thank you. i thought i was the only person who knew this.
yeah most of the content on thsi game is really cringe. I get reccomended alot of youtubers who write some of the most cringe titles claiming to be some sweat lord meanwhile the enemies im watching them kill have the game sense of a gold fish.
How do they abuse matchmaking? I dont think there is a way to abuse them. Its only bought cheats.
My kd is avarage and im thrown into every match with a lot of team sweats (pred, master badges). And i had them even back when i was level 100 and something and back then my kd was bad 0.80-0.90
yes there is (AFAIK) 2 ways to abuse the matchmaking.
the most simple one is just leave the game when youre in dropship.
It's not just "content creators" it's high ranked players doing this as well
Boys, they caught me... Auto-bots roll out
My lobbies are like 3 players all with 6K + killson their main - i have a 0.6KD FFS its just not right - I may have to do this :S - I play with controller on PC - i aint the best with my aim but im insane with my game sense...
Thanks for the upload!! it was fun to watch in a way but its definitely less exciting than your usual upload, however it shines a light on quite an abused loophole in the game. Thanks once again for your patronage 🖖
normal videos will be back 2moro/friday
Thanks man, i can finally abuse bot lobbys!
Did he say he gets 6k damage games?!?!
Badges really don't mean shit.
Badges have lost it meaning in the game since there's full of twitter profile and reddit community selling accounts with those badges
I legit dont know how to tell who does this, so imma ask. Does District or Mangos do this cuz they seem legitimately good and they’re the 2 i watch the most.