@@EmmanuelOhiomoje-bj3gvlampard is sadly always disrespected. It’s cause he wasn’t flashy or eye catching. He is prob the most efficient midfielder ever
1. Eriksen a whole table below De Rossi is crazy. 2. KDB behind Kroos is insane. 3. Isco 2 whole tables ahead of Bernado is atrocious. 4. Lastly, Deco down at table 4 is just nasty work. Arguably the best CM in the world for 3 years. Ballon d’Or runner-up in 2004.
Agree with you on 3&4. The Isco ranking is just crazy, as is the Deco disrespect. But it's mostly a good list. I think Keane is still underrated in this list even though he says he is.
Agree with you in everything but 2, kroos’ impact is shown right now in both Madrid and Germany, neither are the same without him, he’s dictating the team and the game
Lampard being below Casemiro is crazy. Won as many league titles as Casemiro did. Won a UCL and Europa league with Chelsea. 6th all time top scorer in the prem as a midfielder, 5th all time top assists. He could score he could create he was part of the best defensive teams we've ever seen so he clearly could do that part of the game as well. The only reason you could rate him lower than table 2 is you either don't like Chelsea or the name Frank doesn't sound cool and exotic enough
Casemiro has many standout performances when he dominated the midfield against top 10 European teams in the champions league knockouts, like nearly 20 standout games, whereas Lampard doesn't come close to that. However, Lampard was very dominant in the league, so I guess whatever floats your boat.
Correction to my earlier comment, Lampard was at least on Casemiro's level. Lampard was so good in the champions league under Jose, dropped off after that, but 3-4 exquisite campaigns cannot be ignored. I was wrong, people told me Lampard wasn't dominant in big games but after further research I can admit I was wrong. Lamps should be in the same tier though.
The trophy tax coming in clutch for Madrid players. Casemiro could've played his whole career at Juventus or PSG and he'd be lucky to see table 5. Brilliant player, but in no world is he better than Lampard, Fabregas, Seedorf or even Rodri.
wtf is the disrespect also Casemiro in his first season for united was a beast and arguably at his best, not only was he great at defending but he was also controlling them and great at going forward, he could’ve allowed psg to win a UCL and maybe juventus too
@@Philipstyrerbut you’re talking about the recency of Rodri he didn’t have the longevity nor the impact up until two season against that case had. You’re undervaluing him because of his play style but he was LITERALLY the glue for Madrids midfield
@@Philipstyrerand that's your opinion recency bias is just Killing casemiro but lests not forget casemiro in his prime was scoring match winners and coming up with big goals in finals while also being a monster defensively even in the 2019 copa America he was very good
@@jr7257 Casemiro has longevity and CL over Rodri. Rodri's peak is higher, he's had better domestic campaigns and much better performances for his national team. I think a lot of Madrid players' status are inflated beause of their european success.
Lampard being misunderstood hurts bro. Literally no one has been able to do what he did. Ballon D'or runner up and the most important player in the team to dethrone the most dominant English side in Prem history and captain Chelsea to their first Champions League. Rating and discussing Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes will always come down to personal preference but the weight Lampard carried throughout the 2000s is not matched by his peers.
Lampard, until abramovich, had done 8 years and nobody really noticed him stand out. Footie becomes a lot easier when you’re part of the richest squad and have amazing players around you.
@@Lee101_ If it was easy, we'd have seen others do it. Chelsea's squad and management constantly rotated yet he remained a constant for over a decade. Most goals scored by an advanced midfielder while playing for a team which prioritised defence
@@MoMoneyNoProbz Yes. Look at what Foden (England) and Sterling (Chelsea) are like when the team around them aren’t absolutely firing. Perfect examples. Imagine Lampard or Scholes were at Liverpool 1998-2015. The debate wouldn’t even be a thing brought up in the first place.
@@Lee101_ you act like liverpool didn’t have amazing players like Torres, Suarez, Luis Garcia, Xabi, Carra, Sterling, Mascherano, Carra. Liverpool’s main weakness was not having enough depth in their team. Not their starting line up. Also take some time to consider if you have a lot of world beaters around you, it could mean it hurts your assist and goal numbers because others are being involved more
I have to say, I can't have Seedorf in Tier 3. He is at Tier 2 minimum. He has the ability, he passes the eye test, he has the trophy cabinet, he has the longevity and fitness. I just don't see how some of the guys in Tier 3 or even Tier 2 can be above him. Seeing him on the same tier as Fabregas blows my mind. Edit: the fact that several defensive midfielders can go above one of the most techy ballers of the modern era is a bit wild to me. No offense, Lyes. Like, Makelele a better player than Seedorf?! Based on what?
@@jacobzayn3232how, he’s consistent, crucial to every teams he’s in, currently best mid itw, won loads, has international pedigree, is clutch and is about to get a top 2 finish in ballon dor
They should be in final and also champions with team like Belgium Hazard was the 3rd best player in 2018 wc with amount of talent they have Belgium underachieved 3rd place ain't that great Belgium have better squad than Croatia in 2018
You actually cooked with the list. Of course not everyone is gonna agree with list because of favoritism; club bias etc. But big up to you brother for being doing this, we need more positions though 😅. Bless up brother
Lampard is definitely table 3 minimum (personally I’d put him 2 because I’m biased) , who else is scoring 18-20 goals a season from central midfield. He didn’t play as a 10 and was out scoring Drogba on multiple occasions. Jude bagged 16-17 in a season ONCE and people have him as balon dor favourite Frank did it for ATLEAST 8 seasons on the bounce
Rodri is table 2 let’s be real. Ultimate big game player for club and country. Head and shoulders above everyone in the world in that position currently too
I cant accept that honestly....he has been top draw for only 3 seasons, how does he get ahead of players who are retired and were at the top of their games for almost all their careers??? or does longevity not count?
@@Shado10 Yeah but still was a shadow of Hazard and only started being hyped up after Hazard became injury prone in Madrid...that being said he clears Kroos
It isnt. He was awful vs France leaving Hazard to play alone. Him being a great Champions League player is a myth though. Won one out of nine in the most expensive team ever, got hooked in 2 finals and had also performed badly in other crucial games they exited like Madrid 2022
Coming from a madrid fan who absolutely loves isco, you ranked him way too high man 💀 he definitely had a great touch but he was far too inconsistent and he barely played. He’s one of those players that so many people call underrated that he becomes overrated at times
Well i don't agree with you, I agree that he shouldnt be so high, but to say that he barely played?? If you are talking from 2020 to 2022 yes, but from 2015 to 2018, he was mostly a starter changing with Bale, and he benched Bale in 2 UCL FINALS. Also, he was amazing in world cup 2018 and by far the best Spanish player... Your last sentence, i kind of agree that there are some players that turn from underrated to overrated in recent times like Busquets, Ozil or even Kaka, but not Isco.
I think what bernardo does is too underrated, hes such a magician on the ball, great creator, ball carrier, he controls tempo and supports the defense and doesnt stop running. I think hes better than verraiti, shweini, gundogan and deco.
@@ViscaBarca14 Gerrard n Scholes over Lampard ? This guy has no shame !!! Greatest midfield goalscorers in the history. The debate has been going on for years and almost football fans have L8 at the top. FUCKING DISGRACE
This is just united glazing. How's carrick and keane over Schweinsteiger? Forget trophies. Ability wise both of them combined couldn’t lace his shoe. Maybe do united tier list next time. You don’t have to disrespect other players just to make yourself feel good about your favourite players.
@@Gobando I'd put him over all the british midfielders. But i understand if someone put him bellow gerrard or scholes. Because they were great as well. But saying he is not even in the same level as keane and carrick is intentionally disrespectful to him and extreme glazing to them.
here me out busquets and kroos didnt miss out table one because they were not good enough they missed out table one because table one players were just better if the table was S tier instead of top 5 than yeah busquets for sure would be s tier crazy player
Im not gonna lie, I think you Lampard dirty with the placement. I know that you prefer Scholes and Gerrard especially with how you value midfielders. But him not being able to control a midfield and dominate a game for me is a myth. Maybe not to the extent of the other two english midfielders but he could definently do that, seeing as Gerrard had to dominate for Liverpool and controlling the midfield was Scholes's job for United. But having watched loads of sds videos regarding this topic, it is obvious you don't rate him that much. At the end of the day this is your list, so I have no qualms about it. But Casemiro and Kante over Lampard for me is a lot to digest man, I reckon Keane is better than Casemiro as well.
Not putting Zico number 1, and not even in the list, are both insane. And any Brazilian will rank Zico above kaka. Anyone who knows football with. No one knows football though. Like Zico is not even on the list and no one even says anything.
@@brentleysadiki358 I am Spanish and watched whole games with real criteria, and I can stay that the 3 BEST players were Fabián, Nico Williams and him, olmo and Yamal maybe had more clutch moments as they are attackers, but Rodri was awesome...
Me personally, I find it hard to compare and rank retired and current players with each other for several reasons. - I’m too young to have watched all these players when they were active and in their prime. I can’t base it on clips and stories. Naturally I’m more familiar with current players - Football is changing constantly. These players played in different eras - Active players still have time to develop and become greater with time - I think with time, our view of certain players change and we start to believe they were better/worse than they actually were I know this is just for fun and it was a fun stream to watch! I’m not trying to make it into a serious thing. I’m just saying that for me, it’s hard to compare
Fr, it’ll never be a perfect science. I think the fun is less in an objective ranking and more in seeing what Lyes rates in players and loves about the beautiful game
@@jaydenlewis7276 I agree. I don’t watch ranking videos for facts or arguing about right or wrong. After all, it is subjective. I just find it entertaining to see football from the perspective of others. I could never even make a list like this to begin with
Bro come on, Riquelme had as much talent as any of the guys at table 1, and has handfuls of 10/10 dominant performances at big stages in southamerica. Yes he did flop at Barca, but was unbelievable at Villarreal, and at Boca when he went back. He's table 3 at minimum, possibly 2. A table behind GATTUSO?? Same as FERNANDINHO??
There's just a complety different view on players based on where you live. In South America Riquelme is held (rightfully) in much higher regard than in Europe.
As a city fan, I would back it, but he only had WC 2018 and early Euro 21, but for me he’s table 1, I just think he’s better than modric and Kroos, but it’s close between them 3
@@TheExclusivemindset I mean I can be very biased and say he’s the goat, but he ain’t imo, but he’s defo table 2 and very close to table 1 for me, I just think he’s crazy as a midfielder, would u disagree my friend, I’d like to know your opinion on the midfielders?
@@taajali KDB also had great WC 2014 and Euro 2016 and 2024 he was incredible too, like arguably the best player of Euro 2024 if we are actually watching all of the games he played and the quality he showed
I dont know how you think gerrard and scholes have a better international career than lampard. Lampard was in team of the tournament in 2004 euros. 2nd in the ballon d'or so he ticks the peack box. G/A ticks the box. IQ ticks the box. Passing absolutely underated in his game and defensively aswell underatted. UCL big performances for chelsea ticks that box. 15 year stretch of being 1 of if not the best midfielder in the prem so longevity he ticks. I can hear lampard not above scholes and gerrard even tho i disagree. But him in table 3 is disguisting.
Usually agree with you Lyes but Carrick is a victim of being underrated to the point of becoming overrated. Henderson is the definition of an actual underrated midfielder. Gets way less hype than Carrick despite having similar technical ability and a much better engine, yet people say he has no tech
@@Nam91718 Youre right. One is a Champions League and Premier league winning captain, Premier League POTY, England POTY and all round better player and one is Michael Carrick
Essien is amazing but he didn't have as much longevity, wasn't at the same level for his peak as other players in his position. Great player but not as good as others
Chelsea disrespect on tier lists is to be expected a guy who was second only Ronaldinho in the 05 ballon dor rankings apparently can’t control games as well as scholes and gerrard …..
Putting KDB in Table 2 because Belgium didn’t win big tournaments is ridiculous. He’s dominated club football, winning Premier Leagues and a Champions League. Club success matters just as much. So by that logic, would Haaland be Tier 2 because Norway didn’t PLAY World Cup or Euros? Makes no sense. I STOPPED WATCHING WHEN YOU PUT KDB AT TABLE 2
1 Champions League win (where he was on the bench) and 0 International finals in those super teams heavily prevents him from being table 1. You cant just ignore that when his rivals have done it all
@@AbduletifMuhidin Out of all the players in table 1 and 2, KDB is the only one to win a trophy from a club who historically don’t win trophies e.g. Wolfsburg. He won two cups (Wolfsburg have 3 in their entire history) against Pep’s Bayern, Klopp’s Dortmund, finished 2nd in Bundesliga, broke the assist record at the time, won POTY at WOLFBURG up against the likes of Prime Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Alonso, Reus, Gotze etc. KDB is an all timer.
Isco’s 2018 wc campaign is unknown, he was unbelievable and the best Spanish that that tournament. That team was so disappointing, but Isco shined he was so so good. For me Isco is the most similar player we have had to Iniesta, very similar. He could’ve been Iniesta level but the longevity and those earlier years at Madrid hurt him. I loved 2016-2019 Isco
Brother you make great content, and carry yourself extremely well on any show you go. Just wanted to to givr you your flowers, man I have been watching you for a year now. P.s this is great, I'm sure that plenty of people (like myself) would love to hear your tier lists on various topics. If you could do an all time eleven (including your honorary mentions for each position) that would be amazing too. Just some food for thought. Take care.
Clear Prem bias if you even think Makelele was better than Seedorf... Only player on this list, bar Zidane, that never fell off and was world class from the start of their career..
Genuinely Great List. People should realize that everyone will have a slightly different opinion on at least a few players. The fact that I would change like only 5-6 players by only one tier speaks for the list being really great.
@@LyesClips Im portuguese so this may be biased, but i think that the champions league with porto, while being the best player on the team, that alone is more impressive then anything Isco ever did put together. Did it in multiple leagues while winning in all the leagues he has been. Won a UEFA player of the year in 2004, Isco literally never won anything individually. Was he ever even on the top 30 players of the year, in any year?
All things considered pretty good list, Only thing I’d switch is Yaya over Isco, and Busi over Pirlo love this content ! Please keep doing more of these 🫡
I dint get it with Busquets. Super consident, intelligent, press resistant BUT and its a huge but he is the 4th-5th best player on the barce teams and on the spanish teams. His abilities are partly limited and oerfectly suited for ONLY the exact teams he played. Finally he has never taken a game over. He is the definition of a system player. But a bloody good one
Yeah, one of the best control midfielders ever but without someone creative at his side is kinda useless. He benefits from having world class teammates, all the side passing and controlling the tempo won't do much if you're not surrounded by the players he was.
Absolutely facts, like Spain won the Euro 2008 without him, and when Iniesta and Xavi were never at Barça, he was shit and he wasnt so old compared to other mildfielders. I think like the key player that condicioned the Game for every team was Xavi, as well as others like Iniesta, Modric, kroos or Pirlo. However, Busquets was more like a system player, for example to build a team, in my cdm i would prefer Xabi Alonso, Vieira, Kante, Rodri or Makelele.
Good list bro ! Here’s my list with ur same format Table1: Zidane,Iniesta,Xavi,Kakà,Kdb Table2: Gerrard,Modric,Lampard,Pirlo,kroos,scholes,seedorf,Sergio,Viera TABle3: Fabregas,Ozil,Silva,Schweinsteiger,Requelme,Pogba,ballack,alonso Table4: Keane,kante,Rodri,Deco,yaya,sneijder,casemeiro,makelele,Thiago Table5: Isco,Guti,veratti,Gattuso,Gundogan,bernardo,Cazorla,Coutinho,Essien Table6: Ericksen,Carrick,Fernandinho,de Rossi, Van der vaart !! Perfect 👌👌😁
Tiers are not baddd. Don't agree much with the order of all of them. Think Alonso, Yaya Schweinsteiger Pogba are unlucky. Isco, Fabregas and Ozil a little lucky. Personally rate Keane, Lamps and Rodri above Kante too. Underrated Seedorf a bit too.
Decent list overall but you can see where Lyes completely disregards his own criteria. Isco, Thiago and Verratti have no right being over Gundogan, Schweinsteiger and Vidal. Isco spent 9 whole years at Madrid and Lyes spent 1/3 of the vid waxing lyrical about 2 seasons, where he was good, yes, but never was he even considered a top 2 midfielder for them. Verratti gave you 35+ games a season maybe twice, 3 times in his whole career, same could be said about Thiago. This list feels like he only really cares for the eye test criteria.
Bro not mentioning gilberto silva is pretty wild😮. He had important role for brazil in 2002 wc replacing emerson,he won many trophy for brazil as a captain and he was also major part of arsenal success period for me he should be part of this conversation.
To do what he has done in terms of creation without a main striker is crazy (aguero was hurt for the most part and sterling couldn’t finish) most complete creator on this list and underrated defender, doesn’t make sense why hes not tier 1
@@IDK-p6d8c exactly.. m sick of these Madrid fans saying how Kroos and Modric better than KDB! KDB I think is better, but I will settle with them on par with KDB but definitely not below!
Bernardo and cari on the same level is criminal. Bernaro scored 2 goals against real madrid in CL semis and against bayern. He's one of the best players. He should be table 3 minimum
Facts 28 year old rodri who’s only had 2 years at the very top in table 3 over seedorf makelele and Fabregas who did it for ten years doesn’t sit right with me even if he’s the better player and what he’s done is unbelievable
@@anilquitter9304 You know what I mean don’t be dense. Milan was the last team he played for and he was already 10+ years into his career by the time he joined them
A lot of trophy tax here but not a bad list. If we’re talking ability alone as a midfielder Gerrard is tier 1 for me. The guy kept Liverpool relevant for 15 years. Ultimate big game player, only player to score in UEL UCL FA LEAGUE cup finals. An absolute monster. The one season he played where KDB played his whole career he scored 25 goals (which Kdb haas never closely got to). Kdb has also been playing with a much much better team.
watching these list always reminds me how opinion based the beautiful game is. Everyone sees the game differently and prioritize different things. That’s why I personally believe numbers and trophies are the difference makers. You can’t argue with them, except you actually can lmao. The best part about this is that there are no right or wrong answers, just unpopular opinions.
Xabi Alonso was nuts from 2008 to 2013. I think he is the best long passer of all time in his best. Ofc not the most tekky, the best defensively or phisically, but I'd have him at the same tier as Fabregas, David Silva and Lampard
You gotta switch zidane with kdb or sergio. I love zidane but he was always extremely inconsistent like yaya was. Zizou is easily top of table 2 but kdb or sergio ALWAYS perform, sergio moreso
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Tried my best on this one guys, probably the most difficult list I’ve made so far! Let me know if you guys wanna see me do these for other positions🙌🏼
do wingers bro this vid was good
Please, oh, please, yes!
no giggs?
Centre backs please
@mike04574 he is more of a winger really
Isco being that high is crazy, he was never the main guy on his team like Yaya was
how can Isco be the main man at real madrid. Yaya was the best of city if you take david silva off, City was a shitty team
Being the main guy for realmadrid with players like ronaldo bale ramos benzi modric etc is a whole different thing to being the main guy at city
@@javierlafuente1857your mother has a shity kitty that’s y u stinks this much kiddo
isco was a magian at Betis before his injury
Dude even Real Madrid's B team is better ( i said better not on the same lvl ) man city back in isco days
always appreciated Lyes' non biased view but he went into a different galaxy when it came to Isco delusion. Amazing amazing player but way too high
clear real madrid and man utd bias.
And Carrick
No way Isco is better than Rakitic man, just no way
@@dotydebrix2387 no way he's better than barely any player from table 5 onwards honestly.
Should have been a solid table 5
Casemiro over lampard, Keane and seadorf is criminal. Seadorf so underrated
Lampard finished second in the ballon dor ranking once can’t believe he wasn’t on table 2
Seedorf is one of the best center mids ever. In my opinion he’s the same level as kroos
He’s better than Keane, but Seedorf easily the best there
@@EmmanuelOhiomoje-bj3gvlampard is sadly always disrespected. It’s cause he wasn’t flashy or eye catching. He is prob the most efficient midfielder ever
Casemiro 5 champions ten years in real madrid
Pogba and Yaya can't be on the same level imo
I think it makes sense. Both were deeply flawed geniuses
Pogba's 2018 WC campaign made it fair for me
@@triffintarte6102 but lyes himself said longevity matters a lot, and Yaya had way more than Pogba
Yaya prime was quite short which I guess docks him points. I will say tho 2013/14 toure was the best all-round midfielder performance I’ve seen
@@nicodiangelo7051At That level that we perceive him as not really. He was always a very good player but he wasn’t World class for years and years
Putting Isco table 3 was crazy
it isnt brotha has 70 assists in his whole career in 650 games
Not crazy at all lol
Complete blasphemy
@@RafPos13that's bad bro😂
A player that peaked when playing with cr7 bale modric kroos Marcelo and casemiro. What a shock he played great
1. Eriksen a whole table below De Rossi is crazy.
2. KDB behind Kroos is insane.
3. Isco 2 whole tables ahead of Bernado is atrocious.
4. Lastly, Deco down at table 4 is just nasty work. Arguably the best CM in the world for 3 years. Ballon d’Or runner-up in 2004.
Agree with you on 3&4. The Isco ranking is just crazy, as is the Deco disrespect. But it's mostly a good list. I think Keane is still underrated in this list even though he says he is.
kroos clears kdb 🤷🏽♂️
@@dacoldesttaevadoit8993 nah KDB assits and goals are crazy while Kroos is more of deep lying mid.
KDB is overrated
Agree with you in everything but 2, kroos’ impact is shown right now in both Madrid and Germany, neither are the same without him, he’s dictating the team and the game
Lampard being below Casemiro is crazy. Won as many league titles as Casemiro did. Won a UCL and Europa league with Chelsea. 6th all time top scorer in the prem as a midfielder, 5th all time top assists. He could score he could create he was part of the best defensive teams we've ever seen so he clearly could do that part of the game as well. The only reason you could rate him lower than table 2 is you either don't like Chelsea or the name Frank doesn't sound cool and exotic enough
Casemiro has many standout performances when he dominated the midfield against top 10 European teams in the champions league knockouts, like nearly 20 standout games, whereas Lampard doesn't come close to that. However, Lampard was very dominant in the league, so I guess whatever floats your boat.
Correction to my earlier comment, Lampard was at least on Casemiro's level. Lampard was so good in the champions league under Jose, dropped off after that, but 3-4 exquisite campaigns cannot be ignored. I was wrong, people told me Lampard wasn't dominant in big games but after further research I can admit I was wrong. Lamps should be in the same tier though.
The trophy tax coming in clutch for Madrid players. Casemiro could've played his whole career at Juventus or PSG and he'd be lucky to see table 5. Brilliant player, but in no world is he better than Lampard, Fabregas, Seedorf or even Rodri.
wtf is the disrespect also Casemiro in his first season for united was a beast and arguably at his best, not only was he great at defending but he was also controlling them and great at going forward, he could’ve allowed psg to win a UCL and maybe juventus too
@@Deathmare235 He's a fantastic player, but would you choose a prime Casemiro over a current (pre-AL obviously) Rodri? I wouldn't.
@@Philipstyrerbut you’re talking about the recency of Rodri he didn’t have the longevity nor the impact up until two season against that case had. You’re undervaluing him because of his play style but he was LITERALLY the glue for Madrids midfield
@@Philipstyrerand that's your opinion recency bias is just Killing casemiro but lests not forget casemiro in his prime was scoring match winners and coming up with big goals in finals while also being a monster defensively even in the 2019 copa America he was very good
@@jr7257 Casemiro has longevity and CL over Rodri. Rodri's peak is higher, he's had better domestic campaigns and much better performances for his national team. I think a lot of Madrid players' status are inflated beause of their european success.
Seedorf on table 3 is insane he is insane underrated
completely agreed, 4 CL titles with 3 different clubs and checks every single box in the criteria. Table 2 for sure
He is not underrated. This guy dont know him
I'm saying
Lampard being misunderstood hurts bro. Literally no one has been able to do what he did. Ballon D'or runner up and the most important player in the team to dethrone the most dominant English side in Prem history and captain Chelsea to their first Champions League. Rating and discussing Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes will always come down to personal preference but the weight Lampard carried throughout the 2000s is not matched by his peers.
Lampard, until abramovich, had done 8 years and nobody really noticed him stand out. Footie becomes a lot easier when you’re part of the richest squad and have amazing players around you.
@@Lee101_ If it was easy, we'd have seen others do it. Chelsea's squad and management constantly rotated yet he remained a constant for over a decade. Most goals scored by an advanced midfielder while playing for a team which prioritised defence
@@Lee101_with your logic you can same the same to many players who played in even bigger or richer teams like madrid, Barca, Man U and etc
@@MoMoneyNoProbz Yes. Look at what Foden (England) and Sterling (Chelsea) are like when the team around them aren’t absolutely firing. Perfect examples.
Imagine Lampard or Scholes were at Liverpool 1998-2015. The debate wouldn’t even be a thing brought up in the first place.
@@Lee101_ you act like liverpool didn’t have amazing players like Torres, Suarez, Luis Garcia, Xabi, Carra, Sterling, Mascherano, Carra. Liverpool’s main weakness was not having enough depth in their team. Not their starting line up. Also take some time to consider if you have a lot of world beaters around you, it could mean it hurts your assist and goal numbers because others are being involved more
I have to say, I can't have Seedorf in Tier 3. He is at Tier 2 minimum. He has the ability, he passes the eye test, he has the trophy cabinet, he has the longevity and fitness. I just don't see how some of the guys in Tier 3 or even Tier 2 can be above him. Seeing him on the same tier as Fabregas blows my mind.
Edit: the fact that several defensive midfielders can go above one of the most techy ballers of the modern era is a bit wild to me. No offense, Lyes. Like, Makelele a better player than Seedorf?! Based on what?
He's underrating Seedorf the most here honestly
Such an L take for real, maybe he’s just too young cos seedorf was putting in work before Milan too.
KDB was brilliant in 2018 but since Hazard was better that means he didn’t have a vintage campaign?
He didn't
One great goal against Brazil doesn’t change he was average at best
De bruyne was good in the world cup people didn't watch him to confirm, they just watched highlights
@@therealhb1763how do you type when you have no eyes?
@@JoshuaGuevara7 casual much?
Isco table 3 is insane ! He through the criteria out the window with him
Rodri doesn't make sense more
@@jacobzayn3232how?
@@jacobzayn3232how, he’s consistent, crucial to every teams he’s in, currently best mid itw, won loads, has international pedigree, is clutch and is about to get a top 2 finish in ballon dor
@@Brawlypython244 Isco was never crucial for Real Madrid 😂 I love Isco but let’s not lie
@@yessi1585he was talking about Rodri
Lampard 3 is the worst take lyes has every had
Lamps hate gets wilder every day 😭😭
Casemiro cannot be higher than lampard even kante
Kevin de bruyne is easily no1 table, mans forgetting he KO Brazil out of the WC and finished 3rd, outrageous
They should be in final and also champions with team like Belgium Hazard was the 3rd best player in 2018 wc with amount of talent they have Belgium underachieved 3rd place ain't that great Belgium have better squad than Croatia in 2018
Fr KDB > Modric
Hazard was the reason why Belgium came 3rd not KDB😂😂first watch the whole tournament
@@anishmandal7371facts lol
An hour video about Lyes ranking 50 midfielders? I'm in!
Lampard has to be table 2 for me, having casemiro over him is genuinely criminal
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Lampard💀💀
About the secret real madrid fan thing: every man u fan is also a real madrid fan
You actually cooked with the list. Of course not everyone is gonna agree with list because of favoritism; club bias etc. But big up to you brother for being doing this, we need more positions though 😅. Bless up brother
Lampard is definitely table 3 minimum (personally I’d put him 2 because I’m biased) , who else is scoring 18-20 goals a season from central midfield. He didn’t play as a 10 and was out scoring Drogba on multiple occasions. Jude bagged 16-17 in a season ONCE and people have him as balon dor favourite Frank did it for ATLEAST 8 seasons on the bounce
I beg you, do similar videos. This is a real treat!
Rodri is table 2 let’s be real. Ultimate big game player for club and country. Head and shoulders above everyone in the world in that position currently too
Not yet, he hasn’t played long enough
@@lovemannen6176achieved more than Gerrard
I cant accept that honestly....he has been top draw for only 3 seasons, how does he get ahead of players who are retired and were at the top of their games for almost all their careers??? or does longevity not count?
Yh he is
@@Visionary650 But i think after a couple of seasons we could make the arguement he tops casemiro easily if he keeps performing at a high level
De Bruyne not having a good international campaign is the biggest myth
fr I remember him having a great 2018 WC
@@Shado10 he was alright but lyes said he never had a tournament where he was the best if not one of the best at the tournament
@@Shado10 Yeah but still was a shadow of Hazard and only started being hyped up after Hazard became injury prone in Madrid...that being said he clears Kroos
It isnt. He was awful vs France leaving Hazard to play alone. Him being a great Champions League player is a myth though. Won one out of nine in the most expensive team ever, got hooked in 2 finals and had also performed badly in other crucial games they exited like Madrid 2022
@@DS-dw3pz exactly, Hazards career is complete revisionism
Coming from a madrid fan who absolutely loves isco, you ranked him way too high man 💀 he definitely had a great touch but he was far too inconsistent and he barely played. He’s one of those players that so many people call underrated that he becomes overrated at times
Well i don't agree with you, I agree that he shouldnt be so high, but to say that he barely played?? If you are talking from 2020 to 2022 yes, but from 2015 to 2018, he was mostly a starter changing with Bale, and he benched Bale in 2 UCL FINALS. Also, he was amazing in world cup 2018 and by far the best Spanish player... Your last sentence, i kind of agree that there are some players that turn from underrated to overrated in recent times like Busquets, Ozil or even Kaka, but not Isco.
Howler with the Isco shout, he is tier 5
I would watch Lyes yap about footballers for an hour every day
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Tbh I think they felt the impact of Roanldo hard in that 18/19 season madrid were horrible @@LyesClips
I think what bernardo does is too underrated, hes such a magician on the ball, great creator, ball carrier, he controls tempo and supports the defense and doesnt stop running. I think hes better than verraiti, shweini, gundogan and deco.
David Silva still underrated
The disrespect to Lampard is stupid
Who?
@@ViscaBarca14 Gerrard n Scholes over Lampard ? This guy has no shame !!! Greatest midfield goalscorers in the history. The debate has been going on for years and almost football fans have L8 at the top. FUCKING DISGRACE
This notion on lampard is just not fair
Not fair at all
This is just united glazing. How's carrick and keane over Schweinsteiger? Forget trophies. Ability wise both of them combined couldn’t lace his shoe. Maybe do united tier list next time. You don’t have to disrespect other players just to make yourself feel good about your favourite players.
Prem glazing, schweinsteiger achieved more than any British midfielder and they got him close to the bottom.
@@Gobando I'd put him over all the british midfielders. But i understand if someone put him bellow gerrard or scholes. Because they were great as well. But saying he is not even in the same level as keane and carrick is intentionally disrespectful to him and extreme glazing to them.
Busquets is table 1 he was the heart of Barcas league winning campaign in 2023 at the age of 34/35 he is too good
here me out busquets and kroos didnt miss out table one because they were not good enough they missed out table one because table one players were just better if the table was S tier instead of top 5 than yeah busquets for sure would be s tier crazy player
He is, but in this list it's only top 5
I he’s not because everyone else peaked higher than him
Also bus wasn't as as good as people say he is when he was older@@jamesthompson5287
Barca pfp
Lampard is min table 2
Isco over yaya is crazy
Isco is more likely to not be on the list than in tier 3
Im not gonna lie, I think you Lampard dirty with the placement. I know that you prefer Scholes and Gerrard especially with how you value midfielders. But him not being able to control a midfield and dominate a game for me is a myth. Maybe not to the extent of the other two english midfielders but he could definently do that, seeing as Gerrard had to dominate for Liverpool and controlling the midfield was Scholes's job for United. But having watched loads of sds videos regarding this topic, it is obvious you don't rate him that much. At the end of the day this is your list, so I have no qualms about it.
But Casemiro and Kante over Lampard for me is a lot to digest man, I reckon Keane is better than Casemiro as well.
Viera Scholes and Gerard all made table 2 and Lampard didn’t he actually might be one of the most underrated midfielders of all time 😭
PUTTING KAKA NOT IN 1 IS INSANE
Not putting Zico number 1, and not even in the list, are both insane. And any Brazilian will rank Zico above kaka. Anyone who knows football with. No one knows football though. Like Zico is not even on the list and no one even says anything.
Haven’t watched yet but Yaya Toure MUST be at one of the top 3 tables.
Well he’s basically in table 1, same table as pogba
I can’t believe I’ve just seen Michael carrick and Bernardo Silva just be placed at the same level
I also don’t agree on how Gundogan is above him icl
Seedorf is high table 2 won 3 ucls with ajax madrid and milan and was an integral part of all 3 teams
Rodri no table 2… no logic. Best player of Euro, best in EPL, he is not loosing games…
Lol If you watched the euros you would know he was not the best player. Spain had like 3-4 players better than him lol
Longevity bro, he was been top for the past 3 years.
yamal, williams, olmo, even fabian ruiz were better than him at euros
@@brentleysadiki358 I am Spanish and watched whole games with real criteria, and I can stay that the 3 BEST players were Fabián, Nico Williams and him, olmo and Yamal maybe had more clutch moments as they are attackers, but Rodri was awesome...
Me personally, I find it hard to compare and rank retired and current players with each other for several reasons.
- I’m too young to have watched all these players when they were active and in their prime. I can’t base it on clips and stories. Naturally I’m more familiar with current players
- Football is changing constantly. These players played in different eras
- Active players still have time to develop and become greater with time
- I think with time, our view of certain players change and we start to believe they were better/worse than they actually were
I know this is just for fun and it was a fun stream to watch! I’m not trying to make it into a serious thing. I’m just saying that for me, it’s hard to compare
Fr, it’ll never be a perfect science. I think the fun is less in an objective ranking and more in seeing what Lyes rates in players and loves about the beautiful game
@@jaydenlewis7276 I agree. I don’t watch ranking videos for facts or arguing about right or wrong. After all, it is subjective. I just find it entertaining to see football from the perspective of others. I could never even make a list like this to begin with
Bro come on, Riquelme had as much talent as any of the guys at table 1, and has handfuls of 10/10 dominant performances at big stages in southamerica. Yes he did flop at Barca, but was unbelievable at Villarreal, and at Boca when he went back. He's table 3 at minimum, possibly 2. A table behind GATTUSO?? Same as FERNANDINHO??
There's just a complety different view on players based on where you live. In South America Riquelme is held (rightfully) in much higher regard than in Europe.
Riquelme below Isco is just madness imo. But I mostly agree with the list.
De Bruyne is greatest ever to me, but great list Lyés 🙏🏽
As a city fan, I would back it, but he only had WC 2018 and early Euro 21, but for me he’s table 1, I just think he’s better than modric and Kroos, but it’s close between them 3
City fans man🤣🤣
@@TheExclusivemindset I mean I can be very biased and say he’s the goat, but he ain’t imo, but he’s defo table 2 and very close to table 1 for me, I just think he’s crazy as a midfielder, would u disagree my friend, I’d like to know your opinion on the midfielders?
@@taajali KDB also had great WC 2014 and Euro 2016 and 2024 he was incredible too, like arguably the best player of Euro 2024 if we are actually watching all of the games he played and the quality he showed
@@taajaliranking him higher than Modric and Kroos, who both have 6 CL and Kroos has a WC. That's absolutely disgraceful...
I dont know how you think gerrard and scholes have a better international career than lampard. Lampard was in team of the tournament in 2004 euros. 2nd in the ballon d'or so he ticks the peack box. G/A ticks the box. IQ ticks the box. Passing absolutely underated in his game and defensively aswell underatted. UCL big performances for chelsea ticks that box. 15 year stretch of being 1 of if not the best midfielder in the prem so longevity he ticks. I can hear lampard not above scholes and gerrard even tho i disagree. But him in table 3 is disguisting.
People forget that amazing pass to put Ramires through against Barcelona in 2012. Truly underrated passer
@@teeqx7361 even the trivella for drogba from the halfway line
Usually agree with you Lyes but Carrick is a victim of being underrated to the point of becoming overrated. Henderson is the definition of an actual underrated midfielder. Gets way less hype than Carrick despite having similar technical ability and a much better engine, yet people say he has no tech
Very, very disrespectful to compare carrick to hendo. Please delete this comment 🙏
@@Nam91718 Youre right. One is a Champions League and Premier league winning captain, Premier League POTY, England POTY and all round better player and one is Michael Carrick
I agree mostly with your list, but I think Ballack is a tier too high and Bernardo Silva is a tier too low
Would love to see a winger version next
Rodri should be table 2 imo. He's a dm in bdnor debates plus can pretty much do it all his career speaks for itself and how hes scored in big games
I get Isco played a lot in front of Gareth Bale, but you could argue Marco Asensio replaced Bale just as much or more than Isco.
Essein at 6 is crazy icl so underrated not giving enough credit not even a Chelsea fan btw
Essien is amazing but he didn't have as much longevity, wasn't at the same level for his peak as other players in his position. Great player but not as good as others
Xavi my Goat and i dont think anyone will change that for me. What a player
I swear I support Man United and for me, Xavi is the Greatest midfielder to ever play the game man. Never seen anyone like him
I respect Lyes attempt, nobody could get this 100% right but he did okay ! The Isco & UTD player glaze is Crazy
No way Lampard isn’t higher
Chelsea disrespect on tier lists is to be expected a guy who was second only Ronaldinho in the 05 ballon dor rankings apparently can’t control games as well as scholes and gerrard …..
@@mizushonen9628 As an Arsenal fan, Lampard is definitely tier 2 and I would much rather have him than Scholes in my team.
@@mizushonen9628 as a man united fan I think lampard is out right the best PL midfielder ever
@@BrianScalabrine44Stretch
Agree with your take on Keane, very underrated and a good passer
Lampard should be higher. People underrate his other aspects due to his incredible goal scoring
Putting KDB in Table 2 because Belgium didn’t win big tournaments is ridiculous. He’s dominated club football, winning Premier Leagues and a Champions League. Club success matters just as much. So by that logic, would Haaland be Tier 2 because Norway didn’t PLAY World Cup or Euros? Makes no sense. I STOPPED WATCHING WHEN YOU PUT KDB AT TABLE 2
if you're judging greatness by international tournaments , you're missing the bigger picture. Club football is where these players are proving
Every player above him has almost as much club success more European success and interesting success. How is kdb better than the players above him
1 Champions League win (where he was on the bench) and 0 International finals in those super teams heavily prevents him from being table 1. You cant just ignore that when his rivals have done it all
You didnt stop watching though because in another comment youre talking about where he ranked Gerrard which came after De Bruyne 🤡
@@AbduletifMuhidin Out of all the players in table 1 and 2, KDB is the only one to win a trophy from a club who historically don’t win trophies e.g. Wolfsburg. He won two cups (Wolfsburg have 3 in their entire history) against Pep’s Bayern, Klopp’s Dortmund, finished 2nd in Bundesliga, broke the assist record at the time, won POTY at WOLFBURG up against the likes of Prime Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Alonso, Reus, Gotze etc. KDB is an all timer.
KDB should be in table one and David Silva is your favourite players favourite player
Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Pirlo is pretty tough to argue with as a top 5
Isco’s 2018 wc campaign is unknown, he was unbelievable and the best Spanish that that tournament. That team was so disappointing, but Isco shined he was so so good. For me Isco is the most similar player we have had to Iniesta, very similar. He could’ve been Iniesta level but the longevity and those earlier years at Madrid hurt him. I loved 2016-2019 Isco
You know ball
Brother you make great content, and carry yourself extremely well on any show you go. Just wanted to to givr you your flowers, man I have been watching you for a year now.
P.s this is great, I'm sure that plenty of people (like myself) would love to hear your tier lists on various topics.
If you could do an all time eleven (including your honorary mentions for each position) that would be amazing too. Just some food for thought.
Take care.
Seedorf should be table 2
Clear Prem bias if you even think Makelele was better than Seedorf...
Only player on this list, bar Zidane, that never fell off and was world class from the start of their career..
@@thogro99 was a bench player for Milan
@@RPCentral7 what are you yapping about???
Genuinely Great List. People should realize that everyone will have a slightly different opinion on at least a few players. The fact that I would change like only 5-6 players by only one tier speaks for the list being really great.
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I definitely think you and Cam overrate Isco like crazy. No way is he better than Gundogan or Deco
Why is he not better than Deco for example?
@@LyesClips Im portuguese so this may be biased, but i think that the champions league with porto, while being the best player on the team, that alone is more impressive then anything Isco ever did put together. Did it in multiple leagues while winning in all the leagues he has been. Won a UEFA player of the year in 2004, Isco literally never won anything individually. Was he ever even on the top 30 players of the year, in any year?
@@LyesClips cause karl said so
Lyes you are comparing, very good players with legends of the game. thats my opinion thoo. The rest of the list was very good btw
@@LyesClipsDeco won almost Ballon d'Or!!! That's miles above Isco
All things considered pretty good list, Only thing I’d switch is Yaya over Isco, and Busi over Pirlo
love this content ! Please keep doing more of these 🫡
I dint get it with Busquets. Super consident, intelligent, press resistant BUT and its a huge but he is the 4th-5th best player on the barce teams and on the spanish teams. His abilities are partly limited and oerfectly suited for ONLY the exact teams he played. Finally he has never taken a game over. He is the definition of a system player. But a bloody good one
Yeah, one of the best control midfielders ever but without someone creative at his side is kinda useless. He benefits from having world class teammates, all the side passing and controlling the tempo won't do much if you're not surrounded by the players he was.
Absolutely facts, like Spain won the Euro 2008 without him, and when Iniesta and Xavi were never at Barça, he was shit and he wasnt so old compared to other mildfielders. I think like the key player that condicioned the Game for every team was Xavi, as well as others like Iniesta, Modric, kroos or Pirlo. However, Busquets was more like a system player, for example to build a team, in my cdm i would prefer Xabi Alonso, Vieira, Kante, Rodri or Makelele.
sound reasoning i can’t argue how you placed everyone (even my favourite Vieira LOL)
quality content.
I’d put Ozil low table 3 only thing knocks him is his trophy cabinet the output and ability he might be mid-high t2
Good list bro ! Here’s my list with ur same format
Table1: Zidane,Iniesta,Xavi,Kakà,Kdb
Table2: Gerrard,Modric,Lampard,Pirlo,kroos,scholes,seedorf,Sergio,Viera
TABle3: Fabregas,Ozil,Silva,Schweinsteiger,Requelme,Pogba,ballack,alonso
Table4: Keane,kante,Rodri,Deco,yaya,sneijder,casemeiro,makelele,Thiago
Table5: Isco,Guti,veratti,Gattuso,Gundogan,bernardo,Cazorla,Coutinho,Essien
Table6: Ericksen,Carrick,Fernandinho,de Rossi, Van der vaart !!
Perfect 👌👌😁
Tiers are not baddd. Don't agree much with the order of all of them. Think Alonso, Yaya Schweinsteiger Pogba are unlucky. Isco, Fabregas and Ozil a little lucky. Personally rate Keane, Lamps and Rodri above Kante too. Underrated Seedorf a bit too.
That’s fair neither do i, ordering them inside each tier was so hard😭😭😭
@@LyesClips tier 2 doesn't need 9 players
you cooked with the list
Decent list overall but you can see where Lyes completely disregards his own criteria. Isco, Thiago and Verratti have no right being over Gundogan, Schweinsteiger and Vidal. Isco spent 9 whole years at Madrid and Lyes spent 1/3 of the vid waxing lyrical about 2 seasons, where he was good, yes, but never was he even considered a top 2 midfielder for them. Verratti gave you 35+ games a season maybe twice, 3 times in his whole career, same could be said about Thiago. This list feels like he only really cares for the eye test criteria.
Love watching your videos man, keep it up!❤
Lyes Nayshun.
I like you Lyes but you are overrating the hell out of Thiago
Bro not mentioning gilberto silva is pretty wild😮. He had important role for brazil in 2002 wc replacing emerson,he won many trophy for brazil as a captain and he was also major part of arsenal success period for me he should be part of this conversation.
Broo de bruyne is tier 1 you’ve lost it on this one bruh not gonna lie
To do what he has done in terms of creation without a main striker is crazy (aguero was hurt for the most part and sterling couldn’t finish) most complete creator on this list and underrated defender, doesn’t make sense why hes not tier 1
Make an attackers one
strikers one next?🤔
@@LyesClipsand wingers, maybe even defenders too I know you don’t like them but after strikers that is the most interesting
Yeah😊@@LyesClips
@@LyesClips no all the forward positions
@@LyesClipsYup
The chat: Lyes is a Madrid hater.
Same chat: Lyes is a secret Madrid fan.
Lmfaooo, Lyes is a real one for this 😂
Thank you so much for respecting Ozil his too disrespected. He a baller
Bernardo silva disrespect is crazy…
KDB not in table 1 is absolute mental!!
Happy 13th Birthday Bro
@@pratiksable1034 keep living in past UNCLE!
He should be there above Modric imo
@@IDK-p6d8c exactly.. m sick of these Madrid fans saying how Kroos and Modric better than KDB! KDB I think is better, but I will settle with them on par with KDB but definitely not below!
@@anurag5851 yeah exactly!
Isco better than GUNDO?
Awesome video man, keep them coming. Icl, I think Rodri is slyly high table 3 knocking on table 2
Bernardo and cari on the same level is criminal. Bernaro scored 2 goals against real madrid in CL semis and against bayern. He's one of the best players. He should be table 3 minimum
Are u stupid that not even enough to get top 5. Is rodrygo top 3 becasue he scored two against city
Table1 : Zidane, iniesta, Xavi, Kaka, Kdb
Table2 : Gerrard, Modric, Kroos, Pirlo, Lampard, Scholes, Seedorf, Sergio, Viera
I’m ngl I don’t like putting current players with retired players
I hear it. Kinda hard to compare them imo
Facts 28 year old rodri who’s only had 2 years at the very top in table 3 over seedorf makelele and Fabregas who did it for ten years doesn’t sit right with me even if he’s the better player and what he’s done is unbelievable
59:40 we forgetting seedorfs work for Ajax and madrid???? His Milan days was the backend of his career pretty much
the backend? he left Ajax at age 19😂 and he played for Milan from ages 26-32, which are the best years for most players.
@@anilquitter9304 You know what I mean don’t be dense. Milan was the last team he played for and he was already 10+ years into his career by the time he joined them
A lot of trophy tax here but not a bad list. If we’re talking ability alone as a midfielder Gerrard is tier 1 for me. The guy kept Liverpool relevant for 15 years. Ultimate big game player, only player to score in UEL UCL FA LEAGUE cup finals. An absolute monster. The one season he played where KDB played his whole career he scored 25 goals (which Kdb haas never closely got to). Kdb has also been playing with a much much better team.
He is the best English midfielder of all time but you cannot have as bad as a international career he had and be in tier 1
@@akarshakz3922 fair enough.
Why is bernado so low???
Cazorla with 81 caps during the peak era of Spain midfield. In the squad for the Euro wins.
You: No international pedigree.
I was really shocked to see the other day Carzola had that many caps for Spain
watching these list always reminds me how opinion based the beautiful game is. Everyone sees the game differently and prioritize different things. That’s why I personally believe numbers and trophies are the difference makers. You can’t argue with them, except you actually can lmao. The best part about this is that there are no right or wrong answers, just unpopular opinions.
Zidane so overrated man. He's doesn't even match your own criteria.
😂😂😂
very solid list, id have a few differences but refreshing to not have a heavily premier league biased list
Zidane over Iniesta is crazy
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😄😄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i actually laughed out loud
It’s not. Iniesta is overhyped, Xavi is better
Lol you are.
Great video, just a tip for Tier list videos: give us the link to do our own top please, so we can compare it to yours. Love always Lyes
Would you consider Francesco Totti a midfielder or second striker?
Either way, I think he's slept on. His technical ability was insane.
second striker for me but defo agree! One of the best I saw!
Xabi Alonso was nuts from 2008 to 2013. I think he is the best long passer of all time in his best. Ofc not the most tekky, the best defensively or phisically, but I'd have him at the same tier as Fabregas, David Silva and Lampard
his passing range defo amongst the best ive seen🤝
Lampard is a level above Silva. One of the greatest long range shooters and could score like no other midfielder. And his passing was underrated af
You gotta switch zidane with kdb or sergio. I love zidane but he was always extremely inconsistent like yaya was. Zizou is easily top of table 2 but kdb or sergio ALWAYS perform, sergio moreso
Hahahah