I had to check the Wiki on the Spy/Vampire interaction. There's 4 of them in total, 2 of them reveal the target as Vamp("Your target was staked by a Vampire Hunter!" & "Your target was staked by the Vampire Hunter they visited!"), 1 reveals VH("Your target staked the Vampire that attacked them!"), & 1 attacked message("Your target was attacked by a Vampire!"). Nothing about being bitten. Logic is probably because bites are silent and wouldn't get picked up by a bug. The more you know. brim
"bites are silent" Excuse me but if someone plunges on me and start biting my neck I would scream my lungs out. I can't see a scenario where a bite on the neck can be silent.
@@Riojoriginal considering this is ToS it's supposed to be in a time of distress and panic high unlikely anyone is gonna be sleepin during this game. Maybe Mayor.
@@dargonflames7127 I think any role who doesn't visit or doesn't do a ability does sleep for the night. Otherwise why would you stay home and get murdered when someone break into your house?
Yeah, I can confirm this. It doesn't show up if they convert to vamp, only if they die to it. Though a funny thing is, if you bug a vampire, who visits a Vampire Hunter, the bug will say they were staked by a vampire hunter they visited.
Don't tell people that, that's how I consistently win as executioner! Basically I say my target became a vampire and suddenly any claim they have is useless. Boom, instant lynch if another evil wasn't found.
There was a small trend back in the day that shadowbeatz started as executioner, claiming that he got controlled by a witch and got an achievement of watching himself, saying that he knew who the witch was because of the achievement and the target being the only visit on them. This annoyed me a lot because watching yourself as lookout isn't an achievement... But moral of the story is: don't trust an executioner to know game mechanics/game messages, you just have to learn them yourself.
22:20 Another thing is, if spy bugs ww on a full moon, spy would see their target becoming ww since spy sees what happens to them And aslo, since vamps don't kill people and just bite them, sometimes vamps wont have time to bite everyone they want since the draw message may appear, imo draw message shouldn't appear when someone dies or gets converted
Having the timer reset with bites could reveal hidden vamps if the draw message doesn't appear, and vamps can lynch their teammates if they're determined enough to bite more people. Could still be a good change but there's a bit to consider.
Just checked and you can see everything such as a vh staking and someone being attacked by a vampire but not bitten You were basically a lawyer for the vamps XD
Spy is better in ranked, since they can confirm people as not maf/coven if there is no disguiser. Also, if the disguiser only ever disguises the mafioso, the spy knows by d3 who the mafioso is (no reason for maf to go on a person 3 times in a row unless they are getting roleblocked by the consort.)
@emmettnelson7260 I know I'm gravedigging this but NO. Do not bring back spy seeing whispers, it'd make spy easily confirmable with a sheriff + the only role that could fake claiming it is bmer. Adding to that it would heavily reduce the communication across evil factions
That about spy bugs is really dumb :/ in my first arso game (aa) we had like 5 arsos (2 were amne, it was a wild ass game, only won against stacked town because no one expects the fifth arsonist) and one of them got caught cleaning gasoline off themselves through a spy bug, why would that show and not if you got bitten? It shows attacks against the bugged person, isn't a vamp bite an attack, or is it only if the person dies?
One of the best games I've played just now -- Jester (9) Claimed jailor day 1, I was able to get LO and TP on me. There was a LO (1) and Trapper (14). There was no TK in the game. I claim to have jailed 1 and that 1 refused to claim, 1 didn't immediately say I didn't jail them, and posted their will late. They didn't get voted up. Town asks me to exe 1. On N2, I was visited by Trapper, LO, and Arso. Arso was 10, and 8, claiming LO, gave that info. They were actually PB. 1 visited me, and didn't see 8 visit. 1 had the same info as 8's fake info, being that 10 and 14 visited, but neither of them had each other in the will. We lynched Arso, thus "confirming" 8 for posting first and making 1 seem even more sus. Seems as if 8 infected me N1, 1 was on me and got infected, and 10 and 14 got infected the next day. Mafia becomes skeptical of me because I didn't exe and no one claimed jailed. Town actually thought I was real, I even made a full will. 1 got killed by maf and forged as Jester, making 8 the definitive confirmed LO. Now mafia can never attack me because a fake LO with defense is on me. I get lynched on day 6 after being pushed by the GF (12). 12 even called me dumb and an idiot for being an obvious evil, and I chose not to haunt them because they were the ones who got me lynched. "It doesn't matter!" he said because he thought maf would win but 8 won as pest because he seemed like the most confirmed LO ever.
The vamp message for spy is the attack vamp message because spy has no message for someone getting converted which makes the role useless against vamps unless they have full members or they accidentally kill an evil role. I don't get why the bitten message in particular isn't a part of spy's possible bug messages
I was suspicious of the Transporter after n5 when they claimed to trans the conveniently dead Spy who was jailed and executed thus not giving the Jailor transporter message, then transporting themselves with the Veteran who didn't claim transported. I just wasn't sure if Transporter would transport the night they were bitten. Although I guess the Spy bug doesn't show a Vampire bite converting someone, just killing an evil.
Your bug would only see what the target sees and since they see themselves get bitten your bug should show it too - it would make sense, as for miss counting it's possible there was 2 at the start. But why they would let one of themselves get hung is unknown.
God Vamps are so annoying without any proper tks, you Lynch one and they just make another one the next time, pretty much impossible to counter for townies
Day 3 of asking pipe to try out my strat So,i found a good survivor trolling strat its realy fun and i win 4/5 games with this strat . Claim invest,if there is other survs claim to see them with bg gf arso crus. Hang a damn lazy surv claim but dont push them hard because they could be "doused" this strat is realy fun and even though its trolling strat which means you dont go for the win but for the fun but its still pretty winnable for me. Would be realy fun to see that strat on your channel. Good luck
Personally, I feel like vamps ruin the game a bit for me. It's not a fun role to play and it's annoying getting bitten as a vamp just to get a vamp win after doing everything as town for 90% of the game. I wish that there was a guaranteed vh every time there are vamps
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This just shows how powerful vamps can be. The vamps were the only threat during the whole game, yet still won
Ayeee thanks now I don’t need to watch.
Wow so the rare thing is that a spy that went through 10 nights without a single result.
ngl that's what i thought it was LOL
I had to check the Wiki on the Spy/Vampire interaction. There's 4 of them in total, 2 of them reveal the target as Vamp("Your target was staked by a Vampire Hunter!" & "Your target was staked by the Vampire Hunter they visited!"), 1 reveals VH("Your target staked the Vampire that attacked them!"), & 1 attacked message("Your target was attacked by a Vampire!"). Nothing about being bitten. Logic is probably because bites are silent and wouldn't get picked up by a bug. The more you know.
brim
"bites are silent"
Excuse me but if someone plunges on me and start biting my neck I would scream my lungs out. I can't see a scenario where a bite on the neck can be silent.
@@nico_zip its prob while you're asleep.
@@Riojoriginal considering this is ToS it's supposed to be in a time of distress and panic high unlikely anyone is gonna be sleepin during this game. Maybe Mayor.
@@dargonflames7127 I think any role who doesn't visit or doesn't do a ability does sleep for the night. Otherwise why would you stay home and get murdered when someone break into your house?
@@Riojoriginal they weren't as quick with the draw of the gun?
The bitten by a vampire bug message only appears if the person bitten dies to the bite
What I was thinking!!
Yeah, I can confirm this. It doesn't show up if they convert to vamp, only if they die to it. Though a funny thing is, if you bug a vampire, who visits a Vampire Hunter, the bug will say they were staked by a vampire hunter they visited.
@@lunarisaraxori1589 and unless that Vamp get luckily healed that info is somewhat useless XD
Don't tell people that, that's how I consistently win as executioner!
Basically I say my target became a vampire and suddenly any claim they have is useless. Boom, instant lynch if another evil wasn't found.
I've also used this as exe! I didn't know that it wasnt a real message you could get
There was a small trend back in the day that shadowbeatz started as executioner, claiming that he got controlled by a witch and got an achievement of watching himself, saying that he knew who the witch was because of the achievement and the target being the only visit on them. This annoyed me a lot because watching yourself as lookout isn't an achievement... But moral of the story is: don't trust an executioner to know game mechanics/game messages, you just have to learn them yourself.
yeah its crazy that someone being bitten doesnt show for a spy
maybe it slipped under devs radar as smth to add
“No vamps would bite a vet claim”
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Not me winning a vamp game by biting vet n3
Yeah that happened to me i was vet and i won as vamp because i got bitten (i think n5), everyone assumed vamp wouldnt bite me
10's just like: "I WON'T BE VAMP!"
And then 25:29 happened where they became vamp and they keysmashed out of rage.
22:20 Another thing is, if spy bugs ww on a full moon, spy would see their target becoming ww since spy sees what happens to them
And aslo, since vamps don't kill people and just bite them, sometimes vamps wont have time to bite everyone they want since the draw message may appear, imo draw message shouldn't appear when someone dies or gets converted
Having the timer reset with bites could reveal hidden vamps if the draw message doesn't appear, and vamps can lynch their teammates if they're determined enough to bite more people. Could still be a good change but there's a bit to consider.
@@fishoverlord Atleast the vamps will have chance to win with no draw message and until town realizes there would be way more vamps
Just checked and you can see everything such as a vh staking and someone being attacked by a vampire but not bitten
You were basically a lawyer for the vamps XD
Honestly kind of crazy that spy doesn't see vamp. I already felt like spy was a pretty weak role overall, but now it feels even worse.
Spy is better in ranked, since they can confirm people as not maf/coven if there is no disguiser.
Also, if the disguiser only ever disguises the mafioso, the spy knows by d3 who the mafioso is (no reason for maf to go on a person 3 times in a row unless they are getting roleblocked by the consort.)
spy used to be able to see whispers. If that was added back in it would be a more balanced role, maybe slightly op.
@@emmettnelson7260 Also used to see mafia night chat like VH does for vamps
@emmettnelson7260 I know I'm gravedigging this but NO. Do not bring back spy seeing whispers, it'd make spy easily confirmable with a sheriff + the only role that could fake claiming it is bmer.
Adding to that it would heavily reduce the communication across evil factions
it's like thinking you have a pest problem undercontrol only for the ceiling to fall out and reveal a whole colony
The vamps being willing to let you guys win too was polite imo, ive always have vamps linch the remaining guys to save time
That about spy bugs is really dumb :/ in my first arso game (aa) we had like 5 arsos (2 were amne, it was a wild ass game, only won against stacked town because no one expects the fifth arsonist) and one of them got caught cleaning gasoline off themselves through a spy bug, why would that show and not if you got bitten? It shows attacks against the bugged person, isn't a vamp bite an attack, or is it only if the person dies?
Maybe the spy thought of it as a lover's bite or something Xd
One of the best games I've played just now -- Jester (9)
Claimed jailor day 1, I was able to get LO and TP on me. There was a LO (1) and Trapper (14). There was no TK in the game.
I claim to have jailed 1 and that 1 refused to claim, 1 didn't immediately say I didn't jail them, and posted their will late. They didn't get voted up. Town asks me to exe 1.
On N2, I was visited by Trapper, LO, and Arso. Arso was 10, and 8, claiming LO, gave that info. They were actually PB. 1 visited me, and didn't see 8 visit. 1 had the same info as 8's fake info, being that 10 and 14 visited, but neither of them had each other in the will. We lynched Arso, thus "confirming" 8 for posting first and making 1 seem even more sus. Seems as if 8 infected me N1, 1 was on me and got infected, and 10 and 14 got infected the next day.
Mafia becomes skeptical of me because I didn't exe and no one claimed jailed. Town actually thought I was real, I even made a full will. 1 got killed by maf and forged as Jester, making 8 the definitive confirmed LO. Now mafia can never attack me because a fake LO with defense is on me.
I get lynched on day 6 after being pushed by the GF (12). 12 even called me dumb and an idiot for being an obvious evil, and I chose not to haunt them because they were the ones who got me lynched. "It doesn't matter!" he said because he thought maf would win but 8 won as pest because he seemed like the most confirmed LO ever.
2 spies when there is no coven or maf is a little redundant lol
There were two maf and 1 purple survivor though
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@@bathtubanarchy none of them actually visited tho so what i said still kinda works lol
The vamp message for spy is the attack vamp message because spy has no message for someone getting converted which makes the role useless against vamps unless they have full members or they accidentally kill an evil role. I don't get why the bitten message in particular isn't a part of spy's possible bug messages
I was suspicious of the Transporter after n5 when they claimed to trans the conveniently dead Spy who was jailed and executed thus not giving the Jailor transporter message, then transporting themselves with the Veteran who didn't claim transported. I just wasn't sure if Transporter would transport the night they were bitten. Although I guess the Spy bug doesn't show a Vampire bite converting someone, just killing an evil.
It’s always nice to watch someone much better than me play this game
It might be that the theoretical mechanic of spy bug revealing non-fatal vamp bites was just too hard of a counter to vamps.
Your bug would only see what the target sees and since they see themselves get bitten your bug should show it too - it would make sense, as for miss counting it's possible there was 2 at the start. But why they would let one of themselves get hung is unknown.
damn, almost a perfect game and the jailor had to go and fuck it up
2:31 would be a cool WW play, nobody would suspect anything and you kill two potential town.
This game was satisfying ngl...until the first townie death
The vamps being silly because their gonna win is quite the funneh
I havn't watched a town of salem video in so long. Is 'Coven all any' the mode everyone plays now? I miss some good ol' town vs mafia games
Arsonist dousing doesn’t show to spies either unless you *are* the Arso, which is really weird.
It's because the spy only sees the messages the bugged player sees, and only arsos know when they are doused
"Your target was attacked by a Vampire!" it says that it is a possible message in the bug messages in the wiki :o idk how you didnt see him get bitten
Apparently that message doesn't show if the bite was a conversion INSTEAD of an attack.
if the vampires try to bite someone whos immune, doesnt it give them another chance next night to bite, offsetting their biting schedule.
Spy bug shoes vampire attacks, not bites. Bites don't kill, they change roles and don't count as attacks
@21:27 the Ability reads you may bug a players house to see what happens to them that night
if someone is bitten by a vampire, you don't get a message. only if they die from the bite do you get a message. (from the wiki)
Pipe fooled himself with the vamps biting message thing. Very funny. Cause didn't he do his as an exe play a while ago?
That should be an achievement lmao
I once had a game where we started with 3 vamps. It was fun
I could have sworn that i had seen the bitten message before, maybe if your target was immune then it would show up
❤️ vamp games and all Pipe games, gonna go find out what spy bug even does now.
The one time I believe a surv claim. They're will just seemed so solid. But it was just good prep.
Day 1 of asking Pipetron "Who's Joe"?
Will look for you everyday pardner
I keep asking but for some reason everyone just starts laughing and no one will tell me.
@@flazzorb same like who's joe
@@slatx1 joe... M-
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Guys isn't Joe from Sogun?
That's how you know a spy who saw a vamp bite is exe or fake.
Spy is my fav role if the 4 jester roles don't count. Back in the day, he was so powerful.
You basically didn't have a role, just generic town
Giles Corey always evil, even when town until they actually become evil
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In The setup i had struggels with soft soft and now i can make soft and for my birthday i askd for so Nice speakers and Lets make
GG Great video as always :) - Brim
I dont know why but I read the title as "I got incredibly rare spy and something happened"
I’ve never seen this happen before
What's the verbal difference between "Vigi" and "BG"?
I WAS COVEN NUGGIES!
Why no GAHAHAHAHAH at the end of the vid?
the queen is dead.
I got spy and something rare happened too. The queen of England died
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God Vamps are so annoying without any proper tks, you Lynch one and they just make another one the next time, pretty much impossible to counter for townies
Imagine 10 arso
Day 3 of asking pipe to try out my strat
So,i found a good survivor trolling strat its realy fun and i win 4/5 games with this strat . Claim invest,if there is other survs claim to see them with bg gf arso crus. Hang a damn lazy surv claim but dont push them hard because they could be "doused" this strat is realy fun and even though its trolling strat which means you dont go for the win but for the fun but its still pretty winnable for me. Would be realy fun to see that strat on your channel. Good luck
Personally, I feel like vamps ruin the game a bit for me. It's not a fun role to play and it's annoying getting bitten as a vamp just to get a vamp win after doing everything as town for 90% of the game. I wish that there was a guaranteed vh every time there are vamps
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This is the reason why vamps are a "fun and balanced" class. Just remove them from the game imo.
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