@@silkwesir1444 whereas mark Leonard played a Klingon on tmp and Serek in III. Heck he played romulan commander too. You can make the argument this is Rand bc of her reactions to the damage and she is waiting for the Enterprise. And she shows up in IV still working on Earth Was the dude was she sitting with her hubby?
remember, Kirk witnessed Spock steal the enterprise twenty years earlier to save his Captains life.... (christopher pike) thats how Kirk always knew spock would do the same for him.
While not ST II, this movie gets better and better each time I watch it. A big selling point is that it showcasers how good these people are at their jobs. They outsmarted Starfleet without a hitch, turned a Klingon ambush on their head and when circunstances beyond their control left them at the mercy of their enemies (again), they turned their tables effortlessly, even while going through heartache like no other.
Kirk blowing up the Enterprise was the most jaw-dropping moment I ever experienced when watching a movie. What Kirk and Bones said watching it from the surface was perfect.
Sarek was grieving like a father here. The way he snapped at Kirk over Spock's last moments was interesting. I almost wish there was a deleted scene where Starfleet informs Spock's parents of his death in the last movie.
Here's an Easter Egg for you: Phil Morris (Trainee Foster at the 2:33 mark) has Star Trek cred flowing through his blood. Both he and his sister were in TOS (Miri), and he starred in DS9 as a Klingon warrior and Jem Hadar soldier, and starred in VOY as an astronaut who was declared missing from a Mars expedition.
@@BedsitBob. Bibi is in one of my favorite episodes of Night Court she played a mom who wanted her daughter to marry a rich man. She played along side John Laroquette who is Maltz in this movie. He would later cosplay Maltz in the new Night Court
Good reaction! To answer a sort-of question you had in the video - Saavik bowing her head with her eyes closed during the ritual at the end was not her being respectful. She was doing what every other Vulcan was doing with their head bowed and eyes closed - lending her telepathic energies to the task of the rejoining being conducted by the high priestess. Remember that Vulcans do have a limited telepathic ability (and it doesn't always require touch contact). 👍
The power of fantastic writing and cinematography on full display here. A scene that on paper is just the equivalent of backing out of the garage is elevated to being one of the most tense, most exciting sequences in the franchise with the theft of the Enterprise here
FWIW, the ship destroyed at Genesis early in the movie, the Grissom, might have been named after an astronaut who lost his life in an accident with the Apollo 1 space mission. I think the protomatter of this film might have been an inspiration for the protomolecule in "The Expanse."
I've often thought of that beautifully touching scene of Kirk watching the Enterprise burning in the atmosphere as an inspiration for my own life when I needed to let go of something dear to me in order to move forward in life... Loved your reaction, thank you! ❤
Great reaction. I think this movie is very underrated. A couple of dodgy visual elements aside, this is a banger of a story. And Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon was perfect. Up next, Voyage Home, youre in for a treat.
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Linguist Marc Okrand, who specialized in Native American languages and who had been hired to overdub the Vulcan dialog in TWoK, took the random sounds that James Doohan had invented for Klingon in TMP and developed a full vocabulary and grammar for the Klingon language that was used in TSfS and TNG. That's why Klingon sounds like a language in this movie instead of just nonsense as it actually was previously. Okrand wrote 3 books about Klingon: The Klingon Dictionary (first published 1985, revised enlarged edition 1992), The Klingon Way (1996), and Klingon for the Galactic Traveler (1997). He also authored two audio courses: Conversational Klingon (1992) and Power Klingon (1993). Okrand co-authored the libretto of an opera in the Klingon language entitled ’u’, which means universe or universal in English. The story of ʼuʼ is based on the epic legend of "Kahless the Unforgettable." The opera debuted at The Hague in September 2010. Note that the opera's title ’u’ has three letters-- ’ u ’ -- , not one letter between single quotation marks. The apostrophe is a letter in the canonical transcription of Klingon orthography, denoting a glottal stop.
The reason why they killed of Spock in the second film was because at the beginning of filming the Wrath Of Khan Leonard Nemoy said that he didn’t want to play Spock anymore and also he didn’t think the Star Trek movie franchise would be successful. When Wrath Of Khan was released and it was a huge box office hit and went far beyond better than the first film. So Leonard Nemoy agreed to continue as Spock!
He actually was lured to come back and reprise the role on the PROMISE of a good death scene. Partially because he thought Star Trek had run it's course. Partially because he (along with MOST other people involved) had gone through HELL during the production of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. But - he was actually having such a FUN time doing THIS film that about midway through, he began to wonder if he'd made a serious mistake! He talked about it with the producer Harve Bennet, and Bennet "tossed in" that scene with the Spock/McCoy mindmeld "Just in case". If ever a franchise was SAVED by the foresight of ONE MAN... Oi! Harve Bennet should get a damned MEDAL for thinking on his feet!
This is my favorite Film in the series. You had a lovely reaction to it. "If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." Favorite line in the series X)
Lloyd is as good as he can be, but he's too well known for his wacky comedic roles. It's hard to take him seriously as a ruthless Klingon, not for his role here, but for that association.
I didn’t know who Lloyd was either and I can imagine if I did it would affect how well I could imagine the character. For the wacky roles Lloyd played he played a REALLY GOOD Klingon for early trek - I think his portrayal still hold up to what we expect from Klingons all the way through voyager
The klingon killed his lover because she saw the data about the genesis device. She was supposed to retreive it only, not look at it. During their conversation she disclosed that she looked at it. He said that was unfortunate, and she understood that meant she had to die, and she accepted it.
In the novel it was revealed that his lover had been from a disgraced House and so she had deliberately viewed the Genesis information so that Kruge would have *had* to kill her by (to Klingons) honorable method thereby redeeming her House.
It is impossible to reduce Frank Welker to any one role, he is one of the most prolific voice actors out there. In fact prior to the MCU putting Samuel L. Jackson and Stan Lee in every summer blockbuster, if you were to take every Hollywood actor and rank them by the box office totals of anything they ever had a credit in, Welker was at the top of the list.
How about other fun voice trivia: Leonard Nimoy as the voice of the Excelsior elevator/turbolift. "Level please. Thank you." In the 1986 film "The Transformers: The Movie" Frank Welker was the voice of Megatron. When Galvatron was created, Leonard Nimoy voiced him. In the TV series post-film, Frank Welker took over as the voice of Galvatron.
@@BrotherDerrick3X Frank is King, but Jim Cummings has to be close behind. Jim is the reason why playing 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon with the handicap of "only animated films" is not a handicap at all.
27:11 - 27:15 I remember seeing the trailer for Star Trek III on television; and when they showed the scene where the Enterprise was destroyed, the narrator says “Join us on this; the final voyage of the Starship Enterprise.” I was 13 when I saw this and I was in shock. I couldn’t believe what they were going to do.
Some jackwagon in the promotion department - seemingly of ALL studios in the 80s - felt the INTENSE need to SPOIL EVERY. SINGLE. LAST. BLOODY. FILM. Back in the 80s - I learned to come LATE to the theater so as to AVOID the trailers!!
This was my entry point to the franchise back in the early 90s. I was young enough that I didn’t understand that TV could cross over into film, so I had no clue there was a TV show before this. When I understood I had many hours more of episodes to watch, my mind exploded with excitement. This film gets a lot of crap when I don’t think it should. For me, it taught me what the best of friendship could, and should, be. That last conversation between Kirk and Sarek is the heart of the film.
This film is a lot of people’s first entry into trek…. I had a Trekkie parent so I was watching trek all my life but I’m this movie and the voyage home were always in the vhs player. I think the scenes that take place on the ships are all great “Star Trek” from the return to space dock, stealing the enterprise, to fighting the Klingons with no crew. I’m not entirely sure why people have such an issue with this movie
The scene in the transporter room with Uhura and the ensign and she beams Kirk to the Enterprise, and the film cuts to the crew on the Enterprise, in the book, it explains that Uhura beams to the Vulkan Embassy, and claims Asylum, and goes to Vulkan with Sarek.
Yup. It's in the novelization. Which I HIGHLY Recommend! The Novelizations of all 6 of the films make each one even richer on viewing again! They are absolute masterpieces! 👍 In fact - most Star Trek books from the 1980s are either insanely good - or at the very least - insanely FUN! And I simply MUST recommend one by John M. Ford called "How Much for Just the Planet". As you might guess from the title, it's a full blown COMEDY. And when you begin to understand from where Ford is drawing the majority of his comedic references from, you'll either groan at the PUNishment. Or laugh your butt off! Possibly BOTH! 🤣
Earlier today I discovered this channel and watched the Wrath of Khan reaction. What are the chances I immediately also get to see your reaction to this! I'm loving the reactions! 😄
33:25 "Is Saavik okay? Or is she showing respect?" The Vulcan lady in charge of the ceremony said they would use all their powers. Saavik is PART of that - she's providing telepathic assistance, same as all the other Vulcans present. The expression you see on her face is her in concentration.
Appreciated your comment when you first saw Space Dock. In those days, there was no CGI. That entire thing was a model, as was the interior. Filming the Enterprise and other ships within it just showed the genius of the technical people who used film tricks to make it all real. CGI allows you to do things you can't do with models, but I've always felt models look more real. Could be because they are.
I read somewhere that the Writers originally wanted to call the film "Star Trek: Genesis" but the studio overrode that and said it had to be called "The Search for Spock". Because they had gotten so many angry letters over Spock's Death that they were scared people wouldn't see the film unless they knew for sure Spock was coming back.
In an interview about the movie, either Nimoy or Shatner said, "Look, the name of the movie is Search for Spock. If we turned to the camera at the end and said 'Sorry, we didn't find him" they'd throw rocks at the screen."
I love Mark Lenard in this and... well... in everything. The man had such incredible gravitas. You just felt this power that moved with him -- a quality that is simply impossible to replicate, as attempts to recast the role have proven. His death was a great, great loss.
Yeah, it's incredible to me that Sarek only has something like two hours of total screen time across the original series, the movies, and his Next Generation episodes, but he's completely unforgettable.
Also memorable parts as the Romulan commander in the original series episode 'Balance of Terror' and the Klingon commander seen at the beginning of ST:TMP..
This movie’s biggest crime, beyond Chekov’s civilian clothes, was not taking Uhura with them! She loved Spock as much as any of the bridge crew, and Enterprise was her home, just the same. It breaks the heart! To this day, I think that was the biggest mistake in the original movie series.
Someone answered this before, if memory serves that it had to do with the novel for the movie. Which I never read to verify. Uhura deleted the co-ordinates from the transporter log after she beamed Kirk and the other to the Enterprise and as the communications officer, she was working closely in league with Sarek in providing important communications to Kirk or maybe as M5 puts it "not essential personnel"
A bit of movie trivia, unfortunately, Merrit Butrick the actor that played David passed away just a few years later (5) after shooting this movie. As far as Klingons are concerned, honor, glory and devotion to the empire is most important. Commander Kruge's girlfriend died with honor while doing her duty to the empire according to Klingon standards.
The Klingon language was created by Mark Okrand, a linguist known for his work with Native American languages. He is responsible for creating Klingon Dictionary.
@@LesterManley-s9n James Doohan made up words that sounded alien. Marc Okrand took those few made up words that were strung together in TMP, and built it out into a full language with a dictionary's worth of vocabulary and a full unique grammatical structure that brought it into being a conlang (constructed language), comparable to Tolkien's Elvish or the real world's Esperanto.
Yes, true! Jimmy Doohan invented the Klingon language for "The Motion Picture". There are only a few words spoken in the first minutes of the movie. They hired the linguist for "The Wrath of Khan" to overdub the Vulcan dialog. The way it started was that the actors had spoken their lines in English, then he had them overdub lines using different sounds that use similar movements of the mouth. For example, the letters "L" and "N" look the same if you read lips, as do "M" and "B" and "P" and similarly the vowels pronounced like "ah" and "aw". The Vulcan language arose from that kind of transliteration. He invented the Klingon dictionary and grammar after that for "The Search for Spock" and "The Next Generation". Then he published his works. Remember Kate Bush, who wrote the song "Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)"? It holds the record for longest time between release (1985) and rising to #1 in the charts (2022). More recently she released an album and song named "50 Words for Snow", and #42 is: "peDtaH'ej chiS qo' " The liner notes have the following credit: "Intergalactic thanks to Marc Okrand: Linguist, scholar, & creator of the Klingon language - qatiho' " Fellow Trek fan and writer/actor/comedian Stephen Fry did the vocals for this song. He has some great stuff about his relationship with Trek on UA-cam.
That moment in ST:II where Spock touches McCoy's face and says "Remember" was not intended as a transference of his spirit. It was really just a throwaway. When they were filming the scene, Nicholas Meyer told Leonard Nimoy to do that. When Nimoy asked why, Meyer said basically, "eh, I dunno, I just have a feeling we'll be glad we had it." There were no plans at all even to have a third film, let alone any ideas about Spock coming back. His death scene was supposed to be the final hurrah both for him and the series. (That was true of every single one of these movies. It's why they had to keep rebuilding all the sets; the studio kept tearing them down after each film.) When Meyer was writing the script, he called up Nimoy, who had put the character behind him after the debacle of the first film, and asked him, "How would you like to have a beautiful death scene?" When he heard what was proposed, he enthusiastically agree, thinking it would be a wonderful way to close out that part of his career. Little did he know he was really opening it up to a lifetime of engagement with Spock!
This story is correct on most details. But it wasn't Nicholas Meyer who "threw in" the scene with Spock and McCoy in ST:II - it was Harve Bennett - the producer. As stated, Meyer thought bringing Spock back cheapened his death. But what he initially failed to realize was that Spock's resurrection was PAID DEARLY FOR. If he had been brought back with no consequence, then yes - that would be cheap. But David's death - the destruction of the Enterprise herself - which was almost as much a character as Spock! - those sacrifices made the return of Spock feel EARNED.
Some trivia I've read about the filming of the destruction of the Enterprise... The shot of the saucer burning was done by creating a styrofoam model and filming it at a slow frame rate while dripping acetone on it to dissolve holes in it. This was superimposed over footage of burning steel wool to create the effect of the internal structure burning. The big cloud of debris when the saucer exploded was done by filling the model with talcum powder. Practical effects people are quite an ingenious lot.
20:35 Oh but you could tell she was fighting back the emotion as being half romulan. And she had a thing for David. She choked back the tears and put on her Vulcan voice. I didn't like Robin Curtis as Saavik as well as I liked Kirstie Alley but she did a passable job.
After the emotional rollercoaster of 2 and 3, the comedy of 4 was kind of welcome. I'm not going into it, because SPOILERS, but for me the only real waste of a movie in the first 6 is the fifth one. In 3, the klingons had Christopher Lloyd (Dr Emmett Brown of Back to the Future) as their captain and John Larroquette (Dan Fielding of Night Court) as a bridge officer. There had to be some serious back stage shenanigans on that set. And i REALLY want to make a joke right now about 4, but wont, because SPOILERS.
@@jeraldkimling1960 3 was already uplifting. It had plenty of comedy, and they got Spock back. So I don't buy that they needed to go full sitcom for a whole movie. I don't hate it, and it's great that every character has something to do, but the "comedy" seems forced. Like it's a comedy first, Star Trek movie second. I prefer it the other way around.
@@miller-joel while there was a lot of comedy in 4, it wasn't a comedy first. I say that because you could take all the comedy out and only lose 1 scene. Every other bit is slapped on like after thoughts. 4 is primarily an Environmentalist message and i'm not going farther with that because SPOILERS.
chekov was promoted to acting science officer, since that was his side position in the orignial series. whenever spock left the bridge, chekov took over the position.
Chekhov was Executive Officer on Reliant in TWOK, Commander is the traditional standard rank for that position. It's actually a little peculiar that Sulu would get his own command before Chekhov.
I don't remember having much discussion between movies about this. But I DO remember the epic ideas my friends and I had for "Revenge of the Jedi" after Empire Strikes Back came out! One friend made his own story in a comic book he drew and wrote! I digitised it and still have it (we were kids, so it's not the greatest, but he really had a creative idea)
One of the very last film roles for the great Dame Judith Anderson as the Vulcan High Priestess. One of her first truly great film roles was Mrs. Danvers in the 1940 Alfred Hitchcock classic REBECCA. Highly recommended.
It was originally intended that Spock would die and remain dead, because Leonard Nimoy wanted to leave. However, when it was shown to test audiences, the outcry was so massive, they asked him to stay, and part of the deal was agreeing to him directing the next two movies. Having got him to agree to stay, they had to figure out a way to bring Spock back, so they re-shot the scene in engineering, adding the "Remember" bit.
That was not a reshot scene. Trust me - I was THERE viewing the original film on release. THAT part was there from the beginning! It was Harve Bennet, the producer (Not Nicholas Meyer) who ordered that scene be shot. Partially because he felt like the movie was going to do very well and that this might NOT be the final movie. But also because - although Leonard Nimoy had been convinced to come back because he thought it would be the LAST time he'd have to play Spock - that he had such a positive experience making this film (as opposed to ST:TMP - which infamously went through Development Hell) that he changed his mind halfway through filming and was starting to wonder if he'd made a mistake in pushing for Spock's death. So Harve Bennet "threw it in" to leave a back door to bringing Spock back - "Just in case". When Meyer saw that scene when the movie was released he was NOT happy. But in later years made his peace with it. And had a hand in Star Trek III, IV and famously came back to write and direct The Undiscovered Country.
@@shuboy05 Indeed. This sort of thing is common with movies that undergo late revisions. The novelization has to be in bookstores ( or I guess, now, available for download) by the expected release date of the film, if not slightly before. Sometimes films can’t DECIDE on an ending until very late and the novelist has to improvise!
@@logandarklighter Which has changed recently. The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy all got their novels released several months after the movie to prevent spoilers. Which is funny because I still remember the days you could get a major movie spoiled just by going to the bookstore to get the novelization before the movie was out.
The reason Genesis revived Spock, and not David, is because when they sent Spock to the planet, the Genesis wave was still in effect. By the time David died, the Genesis wave was gone, and the planet was now destroying itself from the side effects of the protomatter that spoiled the experiment. There’s an inaccuracy in Star Trek II and III. In ST: II, Lt. Saavik orders them to take Enterprise out of maintenance dock at one quarter impulse power, which then shows a reuse of the ST: TMP leaving dock scene at maneuvering thruster speed, and the impulse vents are dark because impulse drive is not activated until they were well clear of the dock. In ST: III, Kirk orders one quarter impulse drive to back Enterprise out of spacedock, even though they’re moving at thruster speed, which is the only propulsion safe to use in docking facilities, because it’s slow, around 100-500 kph. One quarter impulse power would have given them only a few seconds before they hit the space doors. Regulations for maneuvering in and out of a dock is nothing faster than maneuvering thrusters. Even if you’re stealing a ship, thrusters are the only safe propulsion system for operating in a dock. In a later movie, Kirk orders a straight out launch from spacedock at one quarter impulse, and a junior officer quotes the regulation, which gets silenced and they do it anyway. Pluming the inside of the dock with impulse exhaust plasma is dangerous for the systems of smaller craft like travel pods, and Kirk would have been reprimanded for it, as well as for unsafe speed in a docking facility, no matter how famous you are. Also, they left out one detail. To keep Starfleet security from beaming onboard and preventing Kirk from stealing Enterprise, they would have had to raise Enterprise’s shields while leaving spacedock. They might have discovered a problem with the shields then, not be surprised with it during the Klingon attack. And, there’s no reason for the spacedock controllers to not be present at their duty stations during the theft, even if it was night shift, someone would always be on duty.
So... this one... was supposed to be about the Romulans, not the Klingons, but Nimoy felt Klingons were more popular so the script was... not rewritten - the names were swapped. Thus the brutal totalitarian Klingons of TOS were erased and the nonsensical "Honor! Duty! Honor!" Klingons were born. This version of the Klingons was so insanely popular it spawned two decades of every sci-fi show having to have a "warrior" species in it.
The story behind the Bird of Prey is a story of frustration and executive meddling. The script required that the antagonists have a cloaked starship, so Plan A was to make the antagonists Romulans, as Romulans are the race associated with cloaked ships. So the Bird of Prey was designed to be a _Romulan_ vessel, carrying on their ornithological motifs. It was even painted green, which is the color most associated with Romulans. However, the studio executives said they wanted the villains to be Klingons instead because Klingons made better big-screen villains, what with their dash and swagger that Romulans lacked. So Plan B was to open with Captain Kruge and his crew _stealing_ the Romulan Bird of Prey from a Romulan stardock, and it was going to be a very theatrical high-action set piece that really established Kruge as a legit bad-ass and a worthy adversary to Kirk. But the studio execs said no way, that scene would be far too expensive to shoot. So Plan C was to just make the Bird of Prey a fully Klingon-designed ship, even though the Klingons have no avian themes in any of their nationalistic iconography nor ever used the color green in any way. It was still a great movie, and _Klingon_ Birds of Prey still play a major role in future Trek movies and series, but, quite frankly, I think we the fans were robbed by making the Bird of Prey a Klingon rather than a Romulan design. Logically, it just makes sense for a ship that's painted green and looks like a giant bird to be a Romulan ship and not a Klingon one.
well,.. i guess you did go right into the 3rd movie,..lol. also from this point on Leonard Nimoy becomes one of the main story writers and consultant for the rest of the movies. Doc Brown from back to the future is an excellent klingon
When Scotty hands McCoy them bits from the Excelsior you get a good look at the fact that James Doohan only had three fingers on his right hand. He lost one in war.
Hey Court! Awesome as usual! The opening recap is basically (for those who might not have seen it or forgot it has been 2 years after all) is a “last time on Star Trek…” kind of thing. And fir folks like yourself who are new, the recaps and reminders are a bit of context or exposition because this journey is very spiritual and philosophical in nature, so it helps the audience.
@@SJHFoto I know that but she probably only knew him as Doc. It was also intended for today’s people who for the most part are probably too young to know that.
For me, the moment right after Sulu says "We have cleared space doors", and the Enterprise backs out of space dock just as James Horner's fanfare music hits its powerful peak, is one of the most thrilling scenes in all of Star Trek. It's the last glorious launch of the Grand Old Lady.
Trivia note here: during the scene where McCoy is in the bar trying to charter a space flight, the song playing in the background is titled "I Remember You", an old jazz classic!
I was a little too young when "The Wrath of Khan" came out, but this was maybe the first "grown up" movie my parents ever let me watch, and it was my favorite movie for many years. Star Trek 4 was QUITE a let down from this one...
I can see that. I saw all of them in the movies (I am a little older), but as a tween, I was a little disappointed at the time that Star Trek IV was without space battles (Now I appreciate it a lot more)
It unfortunately suffers from a serious, serious plot hole, like GAPING, could fly a starship through it wide. But aside from that it is a highly emotionally satisfying Trek movie, so while it's not the BEST, it's still terrific (so terrific that it kept me from seeing the plot hole until someone pointed it out to me decades later!)
You have an almost Vulcan like dryness and logic in your reactions. Very fitting for Star Trek. But..."He's one of those?" That concerns me a tad. I think it is a failing of the younger generation that they have bought into the idea that the only motivation is personal motivation. It's very cynical and it is thrown at young people all the time. There are however other motivations beyond that of revenge and personal gain. There are principles and ideals too. That is what Star Trek is supposed to be all about. Sadly, most stories these days lack that message.
I was 6 when this came out and it was the first Star Trek movie I ever saw. I was aware that Spock had died in Star Trek II but when we got to the theater and I saw the movie poster that featured a huge picture of Spock's face I figured he was probably going to be OK.
you dont want to watch the sixth film until it was released during the fourth season of tng. It is directly connected to those episodes and was made in conjunction with the events going on at the time. In fact, you wont understand certain scenes unless you watch it in release order. the fifth film doesnt matter though. Your viewers are steering you in the wrong direction.
There is some truth to this. "The Undiscovered Country" has a sort of crossover and development for an important TNG character. In the end, the movie just needs to be seen before the events mid-way through the TNG run. There were references to events of the movie very early in TNG, even before the movie was written. The problem is that to identify the ideal spot in the TNG run to see the movie invites spoilers.
@@paulsander5433 all you have to do is look at release order. I clearly remember which episodes came out right before the release of ST6, but I dont want to say since it would be a spoiler. I guess it was during season five , not four.
You know, when my dad saw this the first time in the cinema, what got him so upset was the part where they blow up the Enterprise. He learned to like it better since he’s watched that movie often.
Happy Star Trek Day! Yes, that's right 55 years ago, Star Trek premiered on NBC in 1966 on this date! I was sooo looking forward to this reaction. I kept checking my notifications for when this video would come up. I've been loving your Trek journey but this movie is very near and dear to my heart and here's why: this was the first Star Trek film I ever saw in a movie theater! I was 7 years old, and I had seen reruns of pretty much every episode of the original series. When my parents saw how much I loved the show (which was as much as I love Star Wars), they rented the first two movies. And the local UHF channel 50 used to show the first two Trek films every Thanksgiving, after the parades were done. And once I had seen Wrath Of Khan, it wasn't too long before ST3 was announced on the news. Now, you could imagine my sheer joy when I saw the news and, with Spock being my favorite character ever, I was even more excited when they also announced that Leonard Nimoy directed the movie! I still remember going to the old Wayside Theater in Ann Arbor, I remember what the theater looked like, I remember the popcorn. For me and my family, this was one of the biggest movies to see that summer--and, boy, was the summer of '84 filled with great movies to see! Gremlins, Ghostbusters, The Last Starfighter, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom, Karate Kid! And, now, the next Star Trek movie!?!!? Yes, please! I loved it, was not disappointed. What you said during your comments was exactly how I felt watching this film. Exactly! Loved seeing Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon Commander Kruge! What happened to David was sad, but I later realized that the whole David Marcus-Genesis destruction was the Frankensteinian myth writ large in Trek lore. As to why the Klingons killed Valkris, well, the Genesis information was so top secret even the Klingons knew that unauthorized people couldn't view it. As to why Kruge has to kill that mutated microbial-worm thing, you'll eventually find out that the Klingons always feel the need to prove their honor in just about any situation. But Spock's back. And wasn't that just the most heart-warming return you've ever seen? I'm sure you're going to enjoy Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home! Some things to keep in mind before you get into it: 1. The movie provides resolution to The Genesis Trilogy; 2. Kirk & crew will be traveling in Christopher Lloyd's vehicle; and 3. It is an '80s comedy! I hope this provides tantalizing clues and not any spoilers. Love your reactions! Live long and prosper!
At that point, between Captains April, Pike, Kirk, Decker & Spock, the Enterprise was 30+. Did you recognize John Larroquette? What about Christopher Lloyd?
Fun fact!: And the TV show scarecrow and Mrs. King, we had several Star Trek actors. Robin Curtis was in one episode, Bibi Besch was in an episode, Robert picardo was in an episode. I'm trying to think of any other Star Trek actors. There were probably more but I can't off the top of my head. Think of any others but it's always been fun to watch scarecrow and Mrs. King and pick those actors out and see them and have fun with it.
During the ceremony the faltor pan where Spock's catra was taken out of McCoy and put back into Spock, I always wondered where Amanda was. Sarek was there but Amanda wasn't. And I wonder if it was because she was human. But then again all of his human companions were there so it just makes me wonder.
The way David was killed, with the bush in front of the actual stabbing, was the way they achieved a PG-13 rating and not an r rating. Rating. It used to be so much more difficult back in the day. If they showed something that graphic it would have been an r. But they were protecting the children just showing that. David was obviously stabbed and he acted like he had been stabbed in the chest and then of course Saavik saying David is dead. Remember that this was 40 years ago and we didn't have the overt bloody gory violence in films that we have now.
I enjoy that you are doing these reactions, but it seems that you miss so many of the humorous little things and you don't seem to chuckle the way all of us did when we were in the theater or whatever. Maybe you just don't have enough experience with Star Trek? I'm not sure how long you have been watching Trek. I do appreciate the fact that you are doing these reactions, though. I will admit I'm nearing 70 years old and I have loved Star Trek since the beginning. Even before the beginning. I told my mother when I saw the previews that this was going to be the best TV show ever.
Wait, see, and watch THE VOYAGE HOME. I still urge you to watch 4 and 6 (THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY) before you move on to something else. As for 5... I can't say much about 5, because I've never been able to sit through it.
The impressive Vulcan priestess is none other than classically trained, acclaimed stage actress Judith Anderson. In rare movie appearances, she scared the living daylights out of previous generations as Mrs. Danvers in "Rebecca" and showed other colors in "Laura" and "Cat on A Hot Tin Roof". She, is, however, probably most famous for her onstage performance as "Medea", which my mom saw and never forgot.
Today is Star Trek's 58th birthday. So Happy Star Trek Day. 🎂🖖🥰
Oh wow! That's awesome! Happy Star Trek Day! 🖖
@@CourtReacts-zm9yv this is why I’m a Star Trek geek. Happy Star Trek Day! 🖖
The lady who stood when the Enterprise docked was Janice Rand.
Well technically not.... Its every Trekkies headcanon, that she is, however the credits lists her as "unnamed cafeteria woman"
Yeah, but it is. She shakes her head as " there they go again." When looking at the damage.
@@thomasnieswandt8805 that’s just a producer’s choice. A rude producer. Doesn’t change the fact it was Grace Lee Whitney.
@@Semaj4747 Hmm but then it's weird that Sarek is still alive in this one, I thought he was blown up by V'ger in the first movie...
@@silkwesir1444 whereas mark Leonard played a Klingon on tmp and Serek in III. Heck he played romulan commander too. You can make the argument this is Rand bc of her reactions to the damage and she is waiting for the Enterprise. And she shows up in IV still working on Earth
Was the dude was she sitting with her hubby?
RIP Captain Styles - James B. Sikking (March 5, 1934 - July 13, 2024) aged 90.
That's sad. I didn't know he passed.
Aw, that is sad. I grew up watching him on Hill Street Blues. RIP.
remember, Kirk witnessed Spock steal the enterprise twenty years earlier to save his Captains life.... (christopher pike) thats how Kirk always knew spock would do the same for him.
I never made that connection! That's awesome!
Fascinating!
While not ST II, this movie gets better and better each time I watch it.
A big selling point is that it showcasers how good these people are at their jobs. They outsmarted Starfleet without a hitch, turned a Klingon ambush on their head and when circunstances beyond their control left them at the mercy of their enemies (again), they turned their tables effortlessly, even while going through heartache like no other.
There's one epic scene after another.
“Zero zero zero (Shatner pause) Destruct (Shatner pause) Zero.”
Kirk blowing up the Enterprise was the most jaw-dropping moment I ever experienced when watching a movie. What Kirk and Bones said watching it from the surface was perfect.
Agreed, but I wish Kirk could have said, "Goodbye old friend."
Sarek was grieving like a father here. The way he snapped at Kirk over Spock's last moments was interesting. I almost wish there was a deleted scene where Starfleet informs Spock's parents of his death in the last movie.
Like a HUMAN ... full of EMOTION.
Sarek : "Forgive me... My logic is... uncertain where my son is concerned."
@@logandarklighterI'm certain that years of being married to Amanda had an effect on him.
this is my favorite trek movie. highly underrated and rule of odd numbered movies being not good is trash
This is exactly my reasoning for watching everything and forming my own opinions.
That lady with the red hair, looking out of the window at spacedock, as they arrive, is (formerly Yeoman) Janice Rand.
Here's an Easter Egg for you: Phil Morris (Trainee Foster at the 2:33 mark) has Star Trek cred flowing through his blood. Both he and his sister were in TOS (Miri), and he starred in DS9 as a Klingon warrior and Jem Hadar soldier, and starred in VOY as an astronaut who was declared missing from a Mars expedition.
Wow! That's better cred than even Ron Howard's brother! (Balok)
Jacky Chiles!
Phil also auditioned for the role of Ben Sisko on DS9, but was considered too young at the time.
R.I.P. Merritt Butrick
And Bibi Besch.
@@BedsitBob Her daughter Samantha Mathis is also an actress. She was in Broken Arrow with John Travolta and Cristain Slater.
@@BedsitBob. Bibi is in one of my favorite episodes of Night Court she played a mom who wanted her daughter to marry a rich man. She played along side John Laroquette who is Maltz in this movie. He would later cosplay Maltz in the new Night Court
I tears me up to think he was only 24 when he made this movie and he would die only five years later. So sad.
Good reaction! To answer a sort-of question you had in the video - Saavik bowing her head with her eyes closed during the ritual at the end was not her being respectful. She was doing what every other Vulcan was doing with their head bowed and eyes closed - lending her telepathic energies to the task of the rejoining being conducted by the high priestess. Remember that Vulcans do have a limited telepathic ability (and it doesn't always require touch contact). 👍
The power of fantastic writing and cinematography on full display here. A scene that on paper is just the equivalent of backing out of the garage is elevated to being one of the most tense, most exciting sequences in the franchise with the theft of the Enterprise here
FWIW, the ship destroyed at Genesis early in the movie, the Grissom, might have been named after an astronaut who lost his life in an accident with the Apollo 1 space mission. I think the protomatter of this film might have been an inspiration for the protomolecule in "The Expanse."
Virgil I. Grissom. You are spot on!
The cadet who wanted a hero's welcome at the beginning of the film played the lawyer Jackie Chiles on Seinfeld and the Martian Manhunter on Smallville
I've often thought of that beautifully touching scene of Kirk watching the Enterprise burning in the atmosphere as an inspiration for my own life when I needed to let go of something dear to me in order to move forward in life... Loved your reaction, thank you! ❤
Great reaction. I think this movie is very underrated. A couple of dodgy visual elements aside, this is a banger of a story. And Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon was perfect.
Up next, Voyage Home, youre in for a treat.
He made Klingon sound like a language instead of just nonsense.
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Linguist Marc Okrand, who specialized in Native American languages and who had been hired to overdub the Vulcan dialog in TWoK, took the random sounds that James Doohan had invented for Klingon in TMP and developed a full vocabulary and grammar for the Klingon language that was used in TSfS and TNG. That's why Klingon sounds like a language in this movie instead of just nonsense as it actually was previously.
Okrand wrote 3 books about Klingon: The Klingon Dictionary (first published 1985, revised enlarged edition 1992), The Klingon Way (1996), and Klingon for the Galactic Traveler (1997).
He also authored two audio courses: Conversational Klingon (1992) and Power Klingon (1993).
Okrand co-authored the libretto of an opera in the Klingon language entitled ’u’, which means universe or universal in English. The story of ʼuʼ is based on the epic legend of "Kahless the Unforgettable." The opera debuted at The Hague in September 2010.
Note that the opera's title ’u’ has three letters-- ’ u ’ -- , not one letter between single quotation marks. The apostrophe is a letter in the canonical transcription of Klingon orthography, denoting a glottal stop.
In answer to the self-destruct requiring Spock’s code, it just requires the Captain and two senior officers
The reason why they killed of Spock in the second film was because at the beginning of filming the Wrath Of Khan Leonard Nemoy said that he didn’t want to play Spock anymore and also he didn’t think the Star Trek movie franchise would be successful. When Wrath Of Khan was released and it was a huge box office hit and went far beyond better than the first film. So Leonard Nemoy agreed to continue as Spock!
He actually was lured to come back and reprise the role on the PROMISE of a good death scene. Partially because he thought Star Trek had run it's course. Partially because he (along with MOST other people involved) had gone through HELL during the production of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
But - he was actually having such a FUN time doing THIS film that about midway through, he began to wonder if he'd made a serious mistake! He talked about it with the producer Harve Bennet, and Bennet "tossed in" that scene with the Spock/McCoy mindmeld "Just in case".
If ever a franchise was SAVED by the foresight of ONE MAN... Oi! Harve Bennet should get a damned MEDAL for thinking on his feet!
I had forgotten that Christopher Lloyd was a Klingon.
And John Laroquette (arguably best known for "Night Court"), portrayed Malz, the only one of Krug's crew to survive.
This is my favorite Film in the series. You had a lovely reaction to it.
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul."
Favorite line in the series X)
Back then i didn't know Christopher Lloyd played the klingon captain Kruge, but now i can not unsee it 😂
Lloyd is as good as he can be, but he's too well known for his wacky comedic roles. It's hard to take him seriously as a ruthless Klingon, not for his role here, but for that association.
Great Scott. 😊
I didn’t know who Lloyd was either and I can imagine if I did it would affect how well I could imagine the character.
For the wacky roles Lloyd played he played a REALLY GOOD Klingon for early trek - I think his portrayal still hold up to what we expect from Klingons all the way through voyager
As good as he was, even as a little kid in the theater when he spoke English it was Rev. Jim from "Taxi".
@@bluebird3281 I can imagine thst was soooo distracting; sorry u didn’t get to experience him untainted by another role ; sorry my fellow Trekkie
The klingon killed his lover because she saw the data about the genesis device. She was supposed to retreive it only, not look at it. During their conversation she disclosed that she looked at it. He said that was unfortunate, and she understood that meant she had to die, and she accepted it.
In the novel it was revealed that his lover had been from a disgraced House and so she had deliberately viewed the Genesis information so that Kruge would have *had* to kill her by (to Klingons) honorable method thereby redeeming her House.
It amuses me that the sound of Spock's screams were provided by Frank Welker, the decades-long voice of Fred from Scooby-Doo.
It is impossible to reduce Frank Welker to any one role, he is one of the most prolific voice actors out there. In fact prior to the MCU putting Samuel L. Jackson and Stan Lee in every summer blockbuster, if you were to take every Hollywood actor and rank them by the box office totals of anything they ever had a credit in, Welker was at the top of the list.
How about other fun voice trivia:
Leonard Nimoy as the voice of the Excelsior elevator/turbolift. "Level please. Thank you."
In the 1986 film "The Transformers: The Movie" Frank Welker was the voice of Megatron. When Galvatron was created, Leonard Nimoy voiced him. In the TV series post-film, Frank Welker took over as the voice of Galvatron.
Megatron screams? Hehe!
Frank Welker is the reigning king of the voice actors. He took that spot after Mel Blanc passed away.
@@BrotherDerrick3X Frank is King, but Jim Cummings has to be close behind. Jim is the reason why playing 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon with the handicap of "only animated films" is not a handicap at all.
27:11 - 27:15 I remember seeing the trailer for Star Trek III on television; and when they showed the scene where the Enterprise was destroyed, the narrator says “Join us on this; the final voyage of the Starship Enterprise.”
I was 13 when I saw this and I was in shock. I couldn’t believe what they were going to do.
Some jackwagon in the promotion department - seemingly of ALL studios in the 80s - felt the INTENSE need to SPOIL EVERY. SINGLE. LAST. BLOODY. FILM. Back in the 80s - I learned to come LATE to the theater so as to AVOID the trailers!!
I didn't cry when Spock died back then, but when I saw this one in the movies, I did (when the NCC-1701 melts off the saucer section)
This was my entry point to the franchise back in the early 90s. I was young enough that I didn’t understand that TV could cross over into film, so I had no clue there was a TV show before this. When I understood I had many hours more of episodes to watch, my mind exploded with excitement.
This film gets a lot of crap when I don’t think it should. For me, it taught me what the best of friendship could, and should, be. That last conversation between Kirk and Sarek is the heart of the film.
This film is a lot of people’s first entry into trek…. I had a Trekkie parent so I was watching trek all my life but I’m this movie and the voyage home were always in the vhs player.
I think the scenes that take place on the ships are all great “Star Trek” from the return to space dock, stealing the enterprise, to fighting the Klingons with no crew.
I’m not entirely sure why people have such an issue with this movie
The scene in the transporter room with Uhura and the ensign and she beams Kirk to the Enterprise, and the film cuts to the crew on the Enterprise, in the book, it explains that Uhura beams to the Vulkan Embassy, and claims Asylum, and goes to Vulkan with Sarek.
Yup. It's in the novelization. Which I HIGHLY Recommend! The Novelizations of all 6 of the films make each one even richer on viewing again! They are absolute masterpieces! 👍
In fact - most Star Trek books from the 1980s are either insanely good - or at the very least - insanely FUN!
And I simply MUST recommend one by John M. Ford called "How Much for Just the Planet". As you might guess from the title, it's a full blown COMEDY. And when you begin to understand from where Ford is drawing the majority of his comedic references from, you'll either groan at the PUNishment. Or laugh your butt off! Possibly BOTH! 🤣
@@logandarklighter Agreed. Vonda McIntyre did an AMAZING job fleshing out the characters and stories.
Those Uhura scenes should have been filmed. Exciting stuff for our favorite Communications officer.
Earlier today I discovered this channel and watched the Wrath of Khan reaction. What are the chances I immediately also get to see your reaction to this! I'm loving the reactions! 😄
Welcome! I upload Star Trek videos every Sunday 😊
33:25 "Is Saavik okay? Or is she showing respect?"
The Vulcan lady in charge of the ceremony said they would use all their powers. Saavik is PART of that - she's providing telepathic assistance, same as all the other Vulcans present. The expression you see on her face is her in concentration.
I always thought the Vulcans were praying
@@SJHFoto Well, in a sense, except it's a real psychic ability, not just wishful thinking.
@@silkwesir1444 "Wishful thinking"?
Appreciated your comment when you first saw Space Dock. In those days, there was no CGI. That entire thing was a model, as was the interior. Filming the Enterprise and other ships within it just showed the genius of the technical people who used film tricks to make it all real. CGI allows you to do things you can't do with models, but I've always felt models look more real. Could be because they are.
Also of of note was Uhura's bad-ass scene, taking care or "Mr. Adventure". Enjoyed your reaction Courtney!
Loved that scene so much! Thanks for watching!
As much as I’m a big Star Wars fan, it would NEVER compare to my love and my fan favorite for Star Trek! 😊
I read somewhere that the Writers originally wanted to call the film "Star Trek: Genesis" but the studio overrode that and said it had to be called "The Search for Spock". Because they had gotten so many angry letters over Spock's Death that they were scared people wouldn't see the film unless they knew for sure Spock was coming back.
I probably would have sent one of those letters myself 😂
They should have called it Star Trek iii: Don't Worry, Spock is Back.
@@miller-joel 😂
In an interview about the movie, either Nimoy or Shatner said, "Look, the name of the movie is Search for Spock. If we turned to the camera at the end and said 'Sorry, we didn't find him" they'd throw rocks at the screen."
@@firefly24601 In the old days, they gave a damn about the audience.
Happy Star Trek Day, Court! Live long and prosper. 🖖😊
Happy Star Trek Day! Live Long and Prosper 🖖
@30:44 This actor (John Laroquette) played Dan Fielding in the original Night Court.
And won a pile of awards for it. Absolutely the funniest character on TV in the mid/late 80s.
"She is an educated and classy lady." Couldn't have said it better!
I love Mark Lenard in this and... well... in everything. The man had such incredible gravitas. You just felt this power that moved with him -- a quality that is simply impossible to replicate, as attempts to recast the role have proven. His death was a great, great loss.
Yeah, it's incredible to me that Sarek only has something like two hours of total screen time across the original series, the movies, and his Next Generation episodes, but he's completely unforgettable.
Also memorable parts as the Romulan commander in the original series episode 'Balance of Terror' and the Klingon commander seen at the beginning of ST:TMP..
I got to meet him once in person and he he was just incredible.
"Jim. Your name is Jim." I'm not crying, you're crying.
This movie’s biggest crime, beyond Chekov’s civilian clothes, was not taking Uhura with them! She loved Spock as much as any of the bridge crew, and Enterprise was her home, just the same. It breaks the heart! To this day, I think that was the biggest mistake in the original movie series.
At least she got a GREAT scene out of it! Sulu - once again, was relegated almost to the background.
She was hardly in any of the movies or series compared to the rest of the cast.
Someone answered this before, if memory serves that it had to do with the novel for the movie. Which I never read to verify. Uhura deleted the co-ordinates from the transporter log after she beamed Kirk and the other to the Enterprise and as the communications officer, she was working closely in league with Sarek in providing important communications to Kirk or maybe as M5 puts it "not essential personnel"
Get a copy of the novelization. Uhura had quite the adventure after beaming Kirk and Co. to the Enterprise.
A bit of movie trivia, unfortunately, Merrit Butrick the actor that played David passed away just a few years later (5) after shooting this movie. As far as Klingons are concerned, honor, glory and devotion to the empire is most important. Commander Kruge's girlfriend died with honor while doing her duty to the empire according to Klingon standards.
5 years later. He was on TNG, too.
Nope. Merritt Butrick died on March 17, 1989, almost five years after the release if this movie on June 1, 1984.
@@dngillikin I corrected it, thanks.
The Klingon language was created by Mark Okrand, a linguist known for his work with Native American languages. He is responsible for creating Klingon Dictionary.
But James Doohan developed the Klingon langue first in Star Trek:TMP(1979)😊
The callback to Spectre of the Gun with the self-destruct code....total badass. Shows this new enterprise was still mostly 'our' Enterprise.
@@LesterManley-s9n James Doohan made up words that sounded alien. Marc Okrand took those few made up words that were strung together in TMP, and built it out into a full language with a dictionary's worth of vocabulary and a full unique grammatical structure that brought it into being a conlang (constructed language), comparable to Tolkien's Elvish or the real world's Esperanto.
Yes, true!
Jimmy Doohan invented the Klingon language for "The Motion Picture". There are only a few words spoken in the first minutes of the movie.
They hired the linguist for "The Wrath of Khan" to overdub the Vulcan dialog. The way it started was that the actors had spoken their lines in English, then he had them overdub lines using different sounds that use similar movements of the mouth. For example, the letters "L" and "N" look the same if you read lips, as do "M" and "B" and "P" and similarly the vowels pronounced like "ah" and "aw". The Vulcan language arose from that kind of transliteration.
He invented the Klingon dictionary and grammar after that for "The Search for Spock" and "The Next Generation". Then he published his works.
Remember Kate Bush, who wrote the song "Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)"? It holds the record for longest time between release (1985) and rising to #1 in the charts (2022). More recently she released an album and song named "50 Words for Snow", and #42 is: "peDtaH'ej chiS qo' " The liner notes have the following credit: "Intergalactic thanks to Marc Okrand: Linguist, scholar, & creator of the Klingon language - qatiho' "
Fellow Trek fan and writer/actor/comedian Stephen Fry did the vocals for this song. He has some great stuff about his relationship with Trek on UA-cam.
The linguist's first name is spelled with a "c" not a "k" so it is Marc Okrand.
31:57 I always loved that hug that Kirk gives Uhura.
Me too. At this point the crew are just so close.
That moment in ST:II where Spock touches McCoy's face and says "Remember" was not intended as a transference of his spirit. It was really just a throwaway. When they were filming the scene, Nicholas Meyer told Leonard Nimoy to do that. When Nimoy asked why, Meyer said basically, "eh, I dunno, I just have a feeling we'll be glad we had it." There were no plans at all even to have a third film, let alone any ideas about Spock coming back. His death scene was supposed to be the final hurrah both for him and the series. (That was true of every single one of these movies. It's why they had to keep rebuilding all the sets; the studio kept tearing them down after each film.) When Meyer was writing the script, he called up Nimoy, who had put the character behind him after the debacle of the first film, and asked him, "How would you like to have a beautiful death scene?" When he heard what was proposed, he enthusiastically agree, thinking it would be a wonderful way to close out that part of his career. Little did he know he was really opening it up to a lifetime of engagement with Spock!
I dunno, Meyer HATED that they brought Spock back.
This story is correct on most details. But it wasn't Nicholas Meyer who "threw in" the scene with Spock and McCoy in ST:II - it was Harve Bennett - the producer. As stated, Meyer thought bringing Spock back cheapened his death.
But what he initially failed to realize was that Spock's resurrection was PAID DEARLY FOR. If he had been brought back with no consequence, then yes - that would be cheap. But David's death - the destruction of the Enterprise herself - which was almost as much a character as Spock! - those sacrifices made the return of Spock feel EARNED.
@@logandarklighter Dam, yes. You're right, it was Harve. Thanks for the correction!
it might have been sad to see it go, but you have to admit, for 1984, those were some pretty damn good special effects
Looking forward to the next one, it is known as the most "fun" Star Trek movie, and seeing it in theaters at the time was a blast!
Some trivia I've read about the filming of the destruction of the Enterprise... The shot of the saucer burning was done by creating a styrofoam model and filming it at a slow frame rate while dripping acetone on it to dissolve holes in it. This was superimposed over footage of burning steel wool to create the effect of the internal structure burning. The big cloud of debris when the saucer exploded was done by filling the model with talcum powder. Practical effects people are quite an ingenious lot.
I really hope you will check out the fan series star trek continues
My favorite part. Saavik "David is dead." So Vulcan. Emotionless. Brilliant Star Trek.
20:35 Oh but you could tell she was fighting back the emotion as being half romulan. And she had a thing for David. She choked back the tears and put on her Vulcan voice. I didn't like Robin Curtis as Saavik as well as I liked Kirstie Alley but she did a passable job.
Oh, you're in for some fun on the next movie 😂
Looking forward to it!
A little too heavy on the comedy. And it's not even Star Trek comedy. I definitely prefer 2 and 3.
After the emotional rollercoaster of 2 and 3, the comedy of 4 was kind of welcome. I'm not going into it, because SPOILERS, but for me the only real waste of a movie in the first 6 is the fifth one.
In 3, the klingons had Christopher Lloyd (Dr Emmett Brown of Back to the Future) as their captain and John Larroquette (Dan Fielding of Night Court) as a bridge officer. There had to be some serious back stage shenanigans on that set. And i REALLY want to make a joke right now about 4, but wont, because SPOILERS.
@@jeraldkimling1960 3 was already uplifting. It had plenty of comedy, and they got Spock back. So I don't buy that they needed to go full sitcom for a whole movie. I don't hate it, and it's great that every character has something to do, but the "comedy" seems forced. Like it's a comedy first, Star Trek movie second. I prefer it the other way around.
@@miller-joel while there was a lot of comedy in 4, it wasn't a comedy first. I say that because you could take all the comedy out and only lose 1 scene. Every other bit is slapped on like after thoughts. 4 is primarily an Environmentalist message and i'm not going farther with that because SPOILERS.
I thought Sulu outranked Chekov. Even though Chekov is acting science officer, Sulu's rank is commander, soon to be captain.
In this film they are both Commanders
chekov was promoted to acting science officer, since that was his side position in the orignial series. whenever spock left the bridge, chekov took over the position.
Chekhov was Executive Officer on Reliant in TWOK, Commander is the traditional standard rank for that position. It's actually a little peculiar that Sulu would get his own command before Chekhov.
I envy you in that you get to watch 2 and 3 back to back. We had to wait years after Spock's death to see him again.
I don't remember having much discussion between movies about this. But I DO remember the epic ideas my friends and I had for "Revenge of the Jedi" after Empire Strikes Back came out! One friend made his own story in a comic book he drew and wrote! I digitised it and still have it (we were kids, so it's not the greatest, but he really had a creative idea)
One of the very last film roles for the great Dame Judith Anderson as the Vulcan High Priestess.
One of her first truly great film roles was Mrs. Danvers in the 1940 Alfred Hitchcock classic REBECCA.
Highly recommended.
It was originally intended that Spock would die and remain dead, because Leonard Nimoy wanted to leave.
However, when it was shown to test audiences, the outcry was so massive, they asked him to stay, and part of the deal was agreeing to him directing the next two movies.
Having got him to agree to stay, they had to figure out a way to bring Spock back, so they re-shot the scene in engineering, adding the "Remember" bit.
That was not a reshot scene. Trust me - I was THERE viewing the original film on release. THAT part was there from the beginning! It was Harve Bennet, the producer (Not Nicholas Meyer) who ordered that scene be shot. Partially because he felt like the movie was going to do very well and that this might NOT be the final movie. But also because - although Leonard Nimoy had been convinced to come back because he thought it would be the LAST time he'd have to play Spock - that he had such a positive experience making this film (as opposed to ST:TMP - which infamously went through Development Hell) that he changed his mind halfway through filming and was starting to wonder if he'd made a mistake in pushing for Spock's death. So Harve Bennet "threw it in" to leave a back door to bringing Spock back - "Just in case". When Meyer saw that scene when the movie was released he was NOT happy. But in later years made his peace with it. And had a hand in Star Trek III, IV and famously came back to write and direct The Undiscovered Country.
@@logandarklighter I just wanted to add that the "Remember" scene was so last minute that it doesn't even appear in the Wrath of Khan novelization!
@@shuboy05 Indeed. This sort of thing is common with movies that undergo late revisions. The novelization has to be in bookstores ( or I guess, now, available for download) by the expected release date of the film, if not slightly before. Sometimes films can’t DECIDE on an ending until very late and the novelist has to improvise!
@@logandarklighter Which has changed recently. The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy all got their novels released several months after the movie to prevent spoilers. Which is funny because I still remember the days you could get a major movie spoiled just by going to the bookstore to get the novelization before the movie was out.
What did you think of Christopher Lloyd (Doc' Brown from Back to the Future and Uncle Fester from the Addams Family) as a Klingon?
This one was not considered very good when released, but honestly it’s grown on me over the years.
Definitely equal for rewatchability / enjoyment as ST2 for me
Yes, Sept 8, 1966 Star Trek premiered with The Man Trap. LLAP
I've been so waiting for this. Wait and see, Court. Your questions will be answered. And your questions will really be answered once you get into TNG.
"It's his revenge for all those arguments he lost."
Every line for DeForrest Kelly is well-written, true to character, and perfectly delivered.
The reason Genesis revived Spock, and not David, is because when they sent Spock to the planet, the Genesis wave was still in effect. By the time David died, the Genesis wave was gone, and the planet was now destroying itself from the side effects of the protomatter that spoiled the experiment.
There’s an inaccuracy in Star Trek II and III. In ST: II, Lt. Saavik orders them to take Enterprise out of maintenance dock at one quarter impulse power, which then shows a reuse of the ST: TMP leaving dock scene at maneuvering thruster speed, and the impulse vents are dark because impulse drive is not activated until they were well clear of the dock. In ST: III, Kirk orders one quarter impulse drive to back Enterprise out of spacedock, even though they’re moving at thruster speed, which is the only propulsion safe to use in docking facilities, because it’s slow, around 100-500 kph. One quarter impulse power would have given them only a few seconds before they hit the space doors. Regulations for maneuvering in and out of a dock is nothing faster than maneuvering thrusters. Even if you’re stealing a ship, thrusters are the only safe propulsion system for operating in a dock. In a later movie, Kirk orders a straight out launch from spacedock at one quarter impulse, and a junior officer quotes the regulation, which gets silenced and they do it anyway. Pluming the inside of the dock with impulse exhaust plasma is dangerous for the systems of smaller craft like travel pods, and Kirk would have been reprimanded for it, as well as for unsafe speed in a docking facility, no matter how famous you are.
Also, they left out one detail. To keep Starfleet security from beaming onboard and preventing Kirk from stealing Enterprise, they would have had to raise Enterprise’s shields while leaving spacedock. They might have discovered a problem with the shields then, not be surprised with it during the Klingon attack. And, there’s no reason for the spacedock controllers to not be present at their duty stations during the theft, even if it was night shift, someone would always be on duty.
So... this one... was supposed to be about the Romulans, not the Klingons, but Nimoy felt Klingons were more popular so the script was... not rewritten - the names were swapped. Thus the brutal totalitarian Klingons of TOS were erased and the nonsensical "Honor! Duty! Honor!" Klingons were born. This version of the Klingons was so insanely popular it spawned two decades of every sci-fi show having to have a "warrior" species in it.
The story behind the Bird of Prey is a story of frustration and executive meddling. The script required that the antagonists have a cloaked starship, so Plan A was to make the antagonists Romulans, as Romulans are the race associated with cloaked ships. So the Bird of Prey was designed to be a _Romulan_ vessel, carrying on their ornithological motifs. It was even painted green, which is the color most associated with Romulans. However, the studio executives said they wanted the villains to be Klingons instead because Klingons made better big-screen villains, what with their dash and swagger that Romulans lacked. So Plan B was to open with Captain Kruge and his crew _stealing_ the Romulan Bird of Prey from a Romulan stardock, and it was going to be a very theatrical high-action set piece that really established Kruge as a legit bad-ass and a worthy adversary to Kirk. But the studio execs said no way, that scene would be far too expensive to shoot. So Plan C was to just make the Bird of Prey a fully Klingon-designed ship, even though the Klingons have no avian themes in any of their nationalistic iconography nor ever used the color green in any way. It was still a great movie, and _Klingon_ Birds of Prey still play a major role in future Trek movies and series, but, quite frankly, I think we the fans were robbed by making the Bird of Prey a Klingon rather than a Romulan design. Logically, it just makes sense for a ship that's painted green and looks like a giant bird to be a Romulan ship and not a Klingon one.
You were so emotional at the end of Khan 🥺 but yes Spock’s death was shocking 😱
well,.. i guess you did go right into the 3rd movie,..lol. also from this point on Leonard Nimoy becomes one of the main story writers and consultant for the rest of the movies. Doc Brown from back to the future is an excellent klingon
When Scotty hands McCoy them bits from the Excelsior you get a good look at the fact that James Doohan only had three fingers on his right hand.
He lost one in war.
5:43 Due to my bad knees, I now refer to every flight of stairs I see as Mount Selaya.
Well then clearly everytime to attempt to them, you "choose the danger" like McCoy.
@@mngentry Indeed I do.
@@SixshotRevan 🖖😉
Maltz the only Klingon to live is played by John larroquette from Night Court!
And in the revival of the show, he dresses up as a Klingon, make-up and all, in one episode.
@@mngentry Awesome!
Hey Court! Awesome as usual! The opening recap is basically (for those who might not have seen it or forgot it has been 2 years after all) is a “last time on Star Trek…” kind of thing. And fir folks like yourself who are new, the recaps and reminders are a bit of context or exposition because this journey is very spiritual and philosophical in nature, so it helps the audience.
R.I.P. James B. Sikking
You’re gonna love the next one The Voyage Home. Lighthearted and a little of humor. Doc Brown as a Klingon was something else.
I agree, but remember, this came out before BTTF, so he wasn't known as Doc Brown. He was "Jim" from Taxi
@@SJHFoto I know that but she probably only knew him as Doc. It was also intended for today’s people who for the most part are probably too young to know that.
I can't wait to see your reaction to Star Trek IV!!
I can't wait for VI.
For me, the moment right after Sulu says "We have cleared space doors", and the Enterprise backs out of space dock just as James Horner's fanfare music hits its powerful peak, is one of the most thrilling scenes in all of Star Trek. It's the last glorious launch of the Grand Old Lady.
Trivia note here: during the scene where McCoy is in the bar trying to charter a space flight, the song playing in the background is titled "I Remember You", an old jazz classic!
Wow, the subtitles really gave the game away in that scene in Spock's quarters.
I was thinking that too
I still don't know how Kirk's glasses made it all the way through this story to make it into ST-IV. Oh, well ...
I was a little too young when "The Wrath of Khan" came out, but this was maybe the first "grown up" movie my parents ever let me watch, and it was my favorite movie for many years. Star Trek 4 was QUITE a let down from this one...
I can see that. I saw all of them in the movies (I am a little older), but as a tween, I was a little disappointed at the time that Star Trek IV was without space battles (Now I appreciate it a lot more)
It unfortunately suffers from a serious, serious plot hole, like GAPING, could fly a starship through it wide. But aside from that it is a highly emotionally satisfying Trek movie, so while it's not the BEST, it's still terrific (so terrific that it kept me from seeing the plot hole until someone pointed it out to me decades later!)
Well, what is it?
You have an almost Vulcan like dryness and logic in your reactions. Very fitting for Star Trek. But..."He's one of those?" That concerns me a tad. I think it is a failing of the younger generation that they have bought into the idea that the only motivation is personal motivation. It's very cynical and it is thrown at young people all the time. There are however other motivations beyond that of revenge and personal gain. There are principles and ideals too. That is what Star Trek is supposed to be all about. Sadly, most stories these days lack that message.
I'm glad you said that. I also felt the same way when you said that
I was 6 when this came out and it was the first Star Trek movie I ever saw. I was aware that Spock had died in Star Trek II but when we got to the theater and I saw the movie poster that featured a huge picture of Spock's face I figured he was probably going to be OK.
I actually thought it might be a "greatest hits" of Spock's life as the crew searches for meaning (I guess I took the title too literally back then)
you dont want to watch the sixth film until it was released during the fourth season of tng. It is directly connected to those episodes and was made in conjunction with the events going on at the time. In fact, you wont understand certain scenes unless you watch it in release order. the fifth film doesnt matter though. Your viewers are steering you in the wrong direction.
There is some truth to this. "The Undiscovered Country" has a sort of crossover and development for an important TNG character. In the end, the movie just needs to be seen before the events mid-way through the TNG run. There were references to events of the movie very early in TNG, even before the movie was written. The problem is that to identify the ideal spot in the TNG run to see the movie invites spoilers.
It was actually during Season 5.
@@paulsander5433 all you have to do is look at release order. I clearly remember which episodes came out right before the release of ST6, but I dont want to say since it would be a spoiler. I guess it was during season five , not four.
On to number IV ! 🖖
Remember the captured Bird of Prey's cloaking device. That becomes important later... _much_ later...
You know, when my dad saw this the first time in the cinema, what got him so upset was the part where they blow up the Enterprise. He learned to like it better since he’s watched that movie often.
Happy Star Trek Day! Yes, that's right 55 years ago, Star Trek premiered on NBC in 1966 on this date! I was sooo looking forward to this reaction. I kept checking my notifications for when this video would come up. I've been loving your Trek journey but this movie is very near and dear to my heart and here's why: this was the first Star Trek film I ever saw in a movie theater! I was 7 years old, and I had seen reruns of pretty much every episode of the original series. When my parents saw how much I loved the show (which was as much as I love Star Wars), they rented the first two movies. And the local UHF channel 50 used to show the first two Trek films every Thanksgiving, after the parades were done. And once I had seen Wrath Of Khan, it wasn't too long before ST3 was announced on the news. Now, you could imagine my sheer joy when I saw the news and, with Spock being my favorite character ever, I was even more excited when they also announced that Leonard Nimoy directed the movie! I still remember going to the old Wayside Theater in Ann Arbor, I remember what the theater looked like, I remember the popcorn. For me and my family, this was one of the biggest movies to see that summer--and, boy, was the summer of '84 filled with great movies to see! Gremlins, Ghostbusters, The Last Starfighter, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom, Karate Kid! And, now, the next Star Trek movie!?!!? Yes, please!
I loved it, was not disappointed. What you said during your comments was exactly how I felt watching this film. Exactly! Loved seeing Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon Commander Kruge! What happened to David was sad, but I later realized that the whole David Marcus-Genesis destruction was the Frankensteinian myth writ large in Trek lore. As to why the Klingons killed Valkris, well, the Genesis information was so top secret even the Klingons knew that unauthorized people couldn't view it. As to why Kruge has to kill that mutated microbial-worm thing, you'll eventually find out that the Klingons always feel the need to prove their honor in just about any situation. But Spock's back. And wasn't that just the most heart-warming return you've ever seen?
I'm sure you're going to enjoy Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home! Some things to keep in mind before you get into it: 1. The movie provides resolution to The Genesis Trilogy; 2. Kirk & crew will be traveling in Christopher Lloyd's vehicle; and 3. It is an '80s comedy! I hope this provides tantalizing clues and not any spoilers. Love your reactions! Live long and prosper!
It was 58 Years ago. I was born in April 1966 so I should know how many years have passed since 1966.
Ah, yes! My apologies! That's right, 58 years ago. Thank you!
Star Trek 4 will blow you away! My favorites movies go 2,4,6,1,3,5!
33:27 "Is Saavik okay?"
I get the impression she's participating in the Vulcan ceremony.
If you look at the Klingon English dictionary they give credit in there to Maltz. LOL
Jane Wyatt who plays Spocks mother in the original Star Trek series and films was also the mom in the 1950's television series 'Father Knows Best'
Can we stop with the "every 3rd film sucks" and just agree by now that "every 5th film is mid" (prime timeline)
I adore the music. Especially the stealing enterprise scene. Lloyd is great.
At that point, between Captains April, Pike, Kirk, Decker & Spock, the Enterprise was 30+.
Did you recognize John Larroquette? What about Christopher Lloyd?
Fun fact!: And the TV show scarecrow and Mrs. King, we had several Star Trek actors. Robin Curtis was in one episode, Bibi Besch was in an episode, Robert picardo was in an episode. I'm trying to think of any other Star Trek actors. There were probably more but I can't off the top of my head. Think of any others but it's always been fun to watch scarecrow and Mrs. King and pick those actors out and see them and have fun with it.
During the ceremony the faltor pan where Spock's catra was taken out of McCoy and put back into Spock, I always wondered where Amanda was. Sarek was there but Amanda wasn't. And I wonder if it was because she was human. But then again all of his human companions were there so it just makes me wonder.
The way David was killed, with the bush in front of the actual stabbing, was the way they achieved a PG-13 rating and not an r rating. Rating. It used to be so much more difficult back in the day. If they showed something that graphic it would have been an r. But they were protecting the children just showing that. David was obviously stabbed and he acted like he had been stabbed in the chest and then of course Saavik saying David is dead. Remember that this was 40 years ago and we didn't have the overt bloody gory violence in films that we have now.
Just remember that all of these effects were practical. This was before CGI.
I enjoy that you are doing these reactions, but it seems that you miss so many of the humorous little things and you don't seem to chuckle the way all of us did when we were in the theater or whatever. Maybe you just don't have enough experience with Star Trek? I'm not sure how long you have been watching Trek. I do appreciate the fact that you are doing these reactions, though. I will admit I'm nearing 70 years old and I have loved Star Trek since the beginning. Even before the beginning. I told my mother when I saw the previews that this was going to be the best TV show ever.
"All the varieties of land and weather known to Earth within a few hours' walk." Sounds like my hometown San Diego
Wait, see, and watch THE VOYAGE HOME. I still urge you to watch 4 and 6 (THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY) before you move on to something else. As for 5... I can't say much about 5, because I've never been able to sit through it.
Court describing the Enterprise as an educated and classy lady 🥰🥰🥰
The impressive Vulcan priestess is none other than classically trained, acclaimed stage actress Judith Anderson. In rare movie appearances, she scared the living daylights out of previous generations as Mrs. Danvers in "Rebecca" and showed other colors in "Laura" and "Cat on A Hot Tin Roof". She, is, however, probably most famous for her onstage performance as "Medea", which my mom saw and never forgot.