My son has this. He's now 22. Life has been hell. I had to move away from him as it got so bad. I noticed something wasn't right at age 2. The U.K does not understand this disorder. I was not harsh or neglectful i was very present and a good mother.
I was labeled with ODD as a child. I was beaten for no reason as a kid and grabbed by the hair and almost killed by my father. I grew up through juvenile justice and foster care. I was expelled from elementary school, middle school and high school and eventually forced to school through juvenile justice. Most of the time I was just defending myself because of the way I looked people thought I was an easy target but those that picked on me ended up in the hospital only to have them lie and say I did the thing I did to them for no reason. I was also accused of several att murders I didnt do. That was over 30 years ago. Take care of your kids
One of my good friends has this disorder and they’re such a smart person and always fun to talk with. They got let go at work recently bc of their behavior w patrons and I’m sad. Bc also they are extremely emotionally intelligent, charismatic with people and also struggle with this disorder. Seriously people with this need love and support bc they’re wonderful they just need understanding
Adults can have this, not just kids. I recently watched a lecture by Dr. William Dobson (ADDitude Magazine channel), in which he states that ODD behavior is "hardwired", not volitional. He talked about communication strategies for circumventing (I think). Good lecture.
I think it’s important to point out this can occur in children who have not experienced any trauma whatsoever. If a child has no siblings combined with parents who don’t establish consistent boundaries specifically with regard to discipline, that’s like flipping the parental / child roles. A child will become extremely defiant when they essentially are in control of the household dynamic. They are simply acting like a child left to police themselves. They do not have the executive function neuro-development to be reasonable and instead are impulsive and emotional without structure and consistency. This often happens in single child homes where the adults try to reason with a child like a mini adult thinking they’re doing them a favor. They are actually following the recipe called “How to create a narcissist” 1. Doesn’t respect boundaries. 2. Believes they are superior to others. 3. Is not expected to model empathy and consideration to rules, others, and cultural norms. 4. Is not allowed to feel uncomfortable emotions and work through those because parents are constantly manipulating the environment to avoid this type of child from lashing out and causing a scene. That works w/out consequences so why would they stop. Parents can be loving and supportive but if they are inconsistent, child has a strongly reactive temperament, add in some neuro divergent deficiencies in the brain, PRESTO you’ve got ODD staring back at you. A good family psychologist can help get parenting behaviors back on track.
Birkit ami It could also be a genetic trait, someone who doesn't want to do anything or doesn't know how to do anything and pretends to know it all but signifies nothing.
Can anyone help me. I know this video is a few years old now. I've struggled since he was 2 he's 7 yrs old now. He has all the symptoms. I'm desperate for help. All the authorities in the UK where we live have blamed me and iv had child services try to take my children by placing them on the at risk register. He has all the symptoms you described every single day. I don't have good days. He isn't so bad at school he's worse at home. We can't go anywhere cos he's a risk to himself and others by running off and hiding etc. I'm at the end of my tether now Help me please 🙏 😢 someone!! Anyone
I've watched a few of your videos today...definitely feel they have been helpful as I determine the best diagnosis for a child I'm seeing. Thank you and look forward to seeing more videos from you.
I was recently introduced to your channel, I find your material extremely helpful and I hope to learn more about this subject matter! More about how to parent a child with odd would be beneficial, thank you so much!
THANK you, good research and explanation of this particular disorder. If you could elaborate on this subject a little more, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you for video my daughter has three diagnosis odd is one of them ADHD & autism 2 I never really notice odd behaviour until she turn 8 or 9 years 🙂 thank you have great day 🙋🇦🇺💚💛
So i was diagnosed with ODD at the age of about 7 or 8 and basically my mother pushed the diagnosis so i could get hep in school because i got in trouble alot yes i understand why i was diagnosed but these symptoms of ODD are very broad and the way i see it is every child doesnt like being told what to do but i feel that i have overcome this diagnosis and it no longer affects me also i am 15 now wanting to join the army at 16 in the uk do you think this diagnosis could ruin my chances of joining the army would love a reply asap m8 thank you for the video
My question is this, if the behavior is deliberate with a specific desired effect how can it be a disorder? Wouldn't that just be decision making? Kinda sounds to me like a way to avoid personal responsibility, which is already far too prevalent in our society. Disorder implies circumstances beyond your control, that would be the opposite of deliberate behavioral choices
My son is 11 years old and this has been his life since he was little. Are there any courses, books or videos for help with how to parent a child with ODD and Cd? I have tried to find effective ways to communicate with and correct my son but it has been a struggle all these years and all I want is for my son to be happy and healthy
a study of each individual`s background may shed light on whether the malady could be genetic. i think genetics could be shown as the causal factor as in many behavioral studies. No doubt, and maybe more than half, the ailment was not and/or otherwise self activated.
i think its misguided that all neurodivergence is classed into a “disorder” automatically. sometimes its warranted, but other times you’re just pathologizing people with unique wiring and skill sets because they dont fit into a pretty box with a bow tied around it. just because the way certain people exist is inconvenient to the system… my bf was diagnosed with odd when he was younger and he is a wonderful fascinating intelligent person. we both have adhd. we recognize that sometimes the rules set in place are actually there for no good reason except to maintain control of those who are forced to follow suit maybe try to understand where theyre coming from (ASK) and advise them on how they can stay true to themselves and their disposition while also navigating society in a way that wont get them in trouble. these two can coexist. most of the time this behavior doesnt require a diagnosis, it requires a conversation in which you retain humility, curiosity and respect for the person you’re talking to. just my take.
the label “ODD” is ridiculous to me. if it’s extremely bad and for no discernible reason, then it seems that it would literally just be ASPD. otherwise there is probably a reason and it probably shows that they’re aware of the many inconsistencies in the people and practices around them
i wonder if there has been any advancement in isolating the 'causes' ... it is the year 2022 now, i am inclined to lean toward environmental factors being the main cause.
How do I best respond to the ODD symptoms of anger and opposition frequently presented by my now adult son? He has been on his own since college, but moved in with me for two months after Thanksgiving 2023, following a breakup with his girlfriend of 5 years. 😢 He recently said that, growing up, I would get angry with him when he didn’t follow rules that didn’t matter to him and that he seldom received hugs from me. Until I heard this, I thought his mom and I were pretty good social, academic, and sports coaches and attentive parents. Now it seems that mom and I may not have set enough clear boundaries with effective consequences in advance. This led to confusion for him and to me getting angry instead of remaining calm and imposing predetermined consequences when he or his friends violated our rules.
My roommate has odd, ADHD, schizophrenia bipolar manic depression. Peter Pan syndrome. Obsessive compulsive liar. Narcissistic traits. If you ever meet anyone like this. Move to another state.
My 6 yr old daughter displays all of these behaviors but only at home! They seem to be triggered by her autistic dad or autistic brother. Sometimes she gets like that me , but I can handle her a bit better. I'm torn about sending her to a psychiatrist since she's a sweetheart otherwise. 😢
A repeating cycle of family members who are too immature to look in the mirror and say "could it be my attitude behavior and lack of assertiveness skills that is causing this problem". " You don't know what you don't know." - A Macalister
Definitely genetic in my family. My little boy was growling and angry hand gestures at just 11 months old.. I knew it was strange for a baby that young and I’ve been getting him assessed since he was 2..he’s now 5 and he is level 3 ASD ADHD and ODD. Our older children had dyslexia’s (diagnosed, one severe) and one of them would have been classed as ODD and ADHD if back then all the labels were not Taboo as it was. We have one daughter she has a genetic syndrome (ddx3x) and although her gene mutation was not passed to her by her mother or father, they did find 2 other gene mutations which were passed to her one from her Dad and one from me and it’s possible we have passed them on to our boys. These gene have been found that if they are mutations on the gene, then the children can show autism-like symptoms. The 2 gene mutations we passed on are called SMARCA4 and SMARCA2 and these genes have been flagged and added to intellectual disability gene panel testing because them and about 500 more are known genes that can cause autism-like symptoms ranging from severe to mild
How prevalent is ODD in youth, perhaps aged 11-15? In my classroom I could say that about 15% of my students could qualify for this definition. Could you differentiate some examples between students that talk back once a week, or with particular teachers verses a student with ODD?
My son has this. He's now 22. Life has been hell. I had to move away from him as it got so bad. I noticed something wasn't right at age 2. The U.K does not understand this disorder. I was not harsh or neglectful i was very present and a good mother.
I was labeled with ODD as a child. I was beaten for no reason as a kid and grabbed by the hair and almost killed by my father. I grew up through juvenile justice and foster care. I was expelled from elementary school, middle school and high school and eventually forced to school through juvenile justice. Most of the time I was just defending myself because of the way I looked people thought I was an easy target but those that picked on me ended up in the hospital only to have them lie and say I did the thing I did to them for no reason. I was also accused of several att murders I didnt do. That was over 30 years ago. Take care of your kids
One of my good friends has this disorder and they’re such a smart person and always fun to talk with. They got let go at work recently bc of their behavior w patrons and I’m sad. Bc also they are extremely emotionally intelligent, charismatic with people and also struggle with this disorder. Seriously people with this need love and support bc they’re wonderful they just need understanding
Adults can have this, not just kids. I recently watched a lecture by Dr. William Dobson (ADDitude Magazine channel), in which he states that ODD behavior is "hardwired", not volitional. He talked about communication strategies for circumventing (I think). Good lecture.
I think it’s important to point out this can occur in children who have not experienced any trauma whatsoever. If a child has no siblings combined with parents who don’t establish consistent boundaries specifically with regard to discipline, that’s like flipping the parental / child roles. A child will become extremely defiant when they essentially are in control of the household dynamic. They are simply acting like a child left to police themselves. They do not have the executive function neuro-development to be reasonable and instead are impulsive and emotional without structure and consistency. This often happens in single child homes where the adults try to reason with a child like a mini adult thinking they’re doing them a favor. They are actually following the recipe called “How to create a narcissist” 1. Doesn’t respect boundaries. 2. Believes they are superior to others. 3. Is not expected to model empathy and consideration to rules, others, and cultural norms. 4. Is not allowed to feel uncomfortable emotions and work through those because parents are constantly manipulating the environment to avoid this type of child from lashing out and causing a scene. That works w/out consequences so why would they stop. Parents can be loving and supportive but if they are inconsistent, child has a strongly reactive temperament, add in some neuro divergent deficiencies in the brain, PRESTO you’ve got ODD staring back at you. A good family psychologist can help get parenting behaviors back on track.
Could be caused by being raised in a toxic dysfunctional home?
Birkit ami It could also be a genetic trait, someone who doesn't want to do anything or doesn't know how to do anything and pretends to know it all but signifies nothing.
Can anyone help me. I know this video is a few years old now. I've struggled since he was 2 he's 7 yrs old now. He has all the symptoms. I'm desperate for help. All the authorities in the UK where we live have blamed me and iv had child services try to take my children by placing them on the at risk register. He has all the symptoms you described every single day. I don't have good days. He isn't so bad at school he's worse at home. We can't go anywhere cos he's a risk to himself and others by running off and hiding etc. I'm at the end of my tether now Help me please 🙏 😢 someone!! Anyone
I've watched a few of your videos today...definitely feel they have been helpful as I determine the best diagnosis for a child I'm seeing. Thank you and look forward to seeing more videos from you.
I was diagnosed with ODD at 23 years old. So thank you for your video information about ODD.
Meagon
I was recently introduced to your channel, I find your material extremely helpful and I hope to learn more about this subject matter! More about how to parent a child with odd would be beneficial, thank you so much!
THANK you, good research and explanation of this particular disorder. If you could elaborate on this subject a little more, it would be greatly appreciated!
You're welcome!
Dr. Grande, why does it have to exclude sibling interactions?
Yikes! I don't like the way this sounds, it is extremely broad. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so the context for angry behavior can often be justified.
Thank you for yet another clarifying video!:)
How is this similar or different from antisocial personality disorder?
Good question! I will put it on the list for a future video. Thank you!
This information was very helpful. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Thank you for video my daughter has three diagnosis odd is one of them ADHD & autism 2 I never really notice odd behaviour until she turn 8 or 9 years 🙂 thank you have great day 🙋🇦🇺💚💛
So i was diagnosed with ODD at the age of about 7 or 8 and basically my mother pushed the diagnosis so i could get hep in school because i got in trouble alot yes i understand why i was diagnosed but these symptoms of ODD are very broad and the way i see it is every child doesnt like being told what to do but i feel that i have overcome this diagnosis and it no longer affects me also i am 15 now wanting to join the army at 16 in the uk do you think this diagnosis could ruin my chances of joining the army would love a reply asap m8 thank you for the video
My question is this, if the behavior is deliberate with a specific desired effect how can it be a disorder? Wouldn't that just be decision making? Kinda sounds to me like a way to avoid personal responsibility, which is already far too prevalent in our society. Disorder implies circumstances beyond your control, that would be the opposite of deliberate behavioral choices
My son is 11 years old and this has been his life since he was little. Are there any courses, books or videos for help with how to parent a child with ODD and Cd? I have tried to find effective ways to communicate with and correct my son but it has been a struggle all these years and all I want is for my son to be happy and healthy
what is the best treatment for odd?
therapy or medication.
as i know a child age 12 who has been put on Epilim, Dopaquel and Ritalin.
quality of ur vids have def improved. good stuff sir!
You'reNotTheBossOfMeitus?
Or the kid is holding on to grudges or unresolved anger!
Does it get abbreviated to ODD? How fitting😔
a study of each individual`s background may shed light on whether the malady could be genetic. i think genetics could be shown as the causal factor as in many behavioral studies. No doubt, and maybe more than half, the ailment was not and/or otherwise self activated.
i think its misguided that all neurodivergence is classed into a “disorder” automatically. sometimes its warranted, but other times you’re just pathologizing people with unique wiring and skill sets because they dont fit into a pretty box with a bow tied around it. just because the way certain people exist is inconvenient to the system…
my bf was diagnosed with odd when he was younger and he is a wonderful fascinating intelligent person. we both have adhd. we recognize that sometimes the rules set in place are actually there for no good reason except to maintain control of those who are forced to follow suit
maybe try to understand where theyre coming from (ASK) and advise them on how they can stay true to themselves and their disposition while also navigating society in a way that wont get them in trouble. these two can coexist. most of the time this behavior doesnt require a diagnosis, it requires a conversation in which you retain humility, curiosity and respect for the person you’re talking to. just my take.
the label “ODD” is ridiculous to me. if it’s extremely bad and for no discernible reason, then it seems that it would literally just be ASPD. otherwise there is probably a reason and it probably shows that they’re aware of the many inconsistencies in the people and practices around them
i wonder if there has been any advancement in isolating the 'causes' ... it is the year 2022 now,
i am inclined to lean toward environmental factors being the main cause.
What ADHD has in common with ODD?
How do I best respond to the ODD symptoms of anger and opposition frequently presented by my now adult son?
He has been on his own since college, but moved in with me for two months after Thanksgiving 2023, following a breakup with his girlfriend of 5 years. 😢
He recently said that, growing up, I would get angry with him when he didn’t follow rules that didn’t matter to him and that he seldom received hugs from me.
Until I heard this, I thought his mom and I were pretty good social, academic, and sports coaches and attentive parents.
Now it seems that mom and I may not have set enough clear boundaries with effective consequences in advance.
This led to confusion for him and to me getting angry instead of remaining calm and imposing predetermined consequences when he or his friends violated our rules.
sounds like a Dr I worked with
Doctor Grande question. Could CTE in an early stage in your suggestion bring on ODD?
Pls help me to identify that I am suffering from odd or not?
I think I have odd
My nephew was just DX with this he will be 5 November 11tn. My son was DX with this around 3 or 4. My nephew was also DX with Level one ASD and ADHD.
My roommate has odd, ADHD, schizophrenia bipolar manic depression. Peter Pan syndrome. Obsessive compulsive liar. Narcissistic traits. If you ever meet anyone like this. Move to another state.
I feel like this couples with NPD Most of the time. I know a few adults who have NPD and this description Also.
I fully believe this is pathologizing normal behavior.
So what is the treatment for this?
My 6 yr old daughter displays all of these behaviors but only at home! They seem to be triggered by her autistic dad or autistic brother. Sometimes she gets like that me , but I can handle her a bit better. I'm torn about sending her to a psychiatrist since she's a sweetheart otherwise. 😢
Colors dont have to be opposite all the time in nature.
I understand that our founding fathers had this disorder as they rebelled against the king & came here to develop a new nation. Shalom
I might have this i have all the signs...
ODD =/= sheelpe! That is what it is, a free person! Not a sheep!
Stop blaming parents.
Oh yeah as the youngest I definitely have this disorder😂 okay okay I'll stop
Cause =C section birth
ODD short cut in birth
Can confirm. Lol
A repeating cycle of family members who are too immature to look in the mirror and say "could it be my attitude behavior and lack of assertiveness skills that is causing this problem".
" You don't know what you don't know."
- A Macalister
Definitely genetic in my family. My little boy was growling and angry hand gestures at just 11 months old.. I knew it was strange for a baby that young and I’ve been getting him assessed since he was 2..he’s now 5 and he is level 3 ASD ADHD and ODD. Our older children had dyslexia’s (diagnosed, one severe) and one of them would have been classed as ODD and ADHD if back then all the labels were not Taboo as it was. We have one daughter she has a genetic syndrome (ddx3x) and although her gene mutation was not passed to her by her mother or father, they did find 2 other gene mutations which were passed to her one from her Dad and one from me and it’s possible we have passed them on to our boys. These gene have been found that if they are mutations on the gene, then the children can show autism-like symptoms. The 2 gene mutations we passed on are called SMARCA4 and SMARCA2 and these genes have been flagged and added to intellectual disability gene panel testing because them and about 500 more are known genes that can cause autism-like symptoms ranging from severe to mild
How prevalent is ODD in youth, perhaps aged 11-15? In my classroom I could say that about 15% of my students could qualify for this definition. Could you differentiate some examples between students that talk back once a week, or with particular teachers verses a student with ODD?