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Tony H, define to me a superhero movie. Any movie that features a superhero is a superhero movie by default. Genre isn't bound to conventions, just like the comics. And Iron Man wasn't really a "superhero" movie until the third act.
Son of a gun, you did it. You examined one of the most overanalysed and critically scrutinized film of our time and presented a nuanced, novel perspective on it.
@@uzzab6937 the symbolism with 9//11 was blatant as day, right from the poster released months before, first time i've ever been sold on a poster ,with the tagline " Welcome To A World Without Rules"
Oooh this is going to be awesome! I actually did a whole college essay about how the U.S used superhero movies as a cinematic coping mechanism after 9/11. It’s really interesting actually. Thank you for the new perspective.
The Dark Knight is basically an allegory for the War on Terror. Batman (America) goes after organized crime (Al-Qaeda, Taliban) in Gotham (the middle east) in an effort to restore order to the city. But his efforts only make things worse. The Joker is ISIS in this equation.
Byzantinium_Acolyte For a while I thought Phoenix was better but now I'm back to Ledger. In terms of novelty and influence it's impossible to top him, I also find his performance more immersive and captivating.
The weird painful tone of this movie is all I really ever remember after watching it. Anyone can be corrupted, but you have to keep living... but that doesn’t make it better. It’s like the movie is in conversation with itself.
Its very rare to find an video essay of this movie that has something unique to say... but you girls nailed it and argued it very well. Thanks for an excellent analysis.
The trillionth Dark Knight analysis. This film has to be the greatest film of all time. No other film has been dissected so much in the past century, not even Citizen Kane
toxicfox1137 2001: Space Odyssey probably has. In terms of video essays, I’m sure you’re right. But in terms of overall analysis, especially written analysis, nothing can ever really surpass the “classics” because they have such a head start in terms of time. The Dark Knight is also a more modern film and is more within the zeitgeist than most other films, which means more potential views, which means more videos to capitalize on said viewing potential.
"The Birth of a Nation" has "Gone with the Wind" has "Citizen Kane" definitely has "The Bicycle Thief" has "The Godfather" has "Chinatown" has Don't get me wrong: "The Dark Knight "is really a great 21st Century movie, no doubt. But, it's really hyperbolic to suggest "no other film since the advent of cinema has been dissected as much in the past century" than "The Dark Knight". That's a statement suggesting a lack of critical film studies experience, even on the hobbyist cinephile level, IMHO.
Black Romulan I know all the films you've mentioned. My statement comes with a sense of sarcasm, the trillionth time. It is not fair this film deserves more dissection and talk than the ones you've mentioned, and other more sophisticated art films like Synecdoche New York, 2001. I find this both fascinating and frustrating.
toxicfox1137 I can agree. TDK had been directed and discusses so many times over the course of the past 10 years and when you compare it to other films it's not even close.
Those are not the best expect for cap, the only best superheroes movies are TDK trilogy, avenger trilogy, captain america trilogy, the rest can easily become forgotten.
as much as the MCU is great i never feel as if im watching a FILM, i always feel like im just watching a comic book/21st century action movie that hit their marks and make people happy. but the reason why the dark knight stands out (and even tdkr to a certain degree) is because it is cinematically gorgeous and extremely well acted. smart script, great theme, and editing. and as hard as the mcu can try i really dont think theyll ever make something this great
I'm a casual superhero fan and the dark knight is one of my favorite superhero movies and one of my favorite movies of all time. I've personally never seen a superhero movie this analyzed or talked about. While not perfect, this movie definitely hits all the Marks in making a superhero that perfectly reflects existentialism, nihilism, cynicism and identity, especially when 9/11 was in everyone's minds. Plus heath ledger is hands down the best joker ever seen on film. The other jokers except for Jared leto, are really good but ledger took the character into a whole new level and basically transcended into one of the most iconic and chilling antagonists of recent memory. Truly, a near flawless, cinematic art piece, a superhero movie that'll never be made like this again.
Wow! So insightful. I feel like a dummy when I watch one of your videos that's this good. But I always feel smarter afterwards. BTW, wouldn't mind seeing Screenprism do a Chinatown piece.
This video and frankly all of the these videos are so smart, well researched, uniquely considered, and beautifully executed. Thank you thank you thank you.
Aron Crillco no it doesn't. There no structure in Batman V. Superman. The cinemaphotography is inconsistent. The editing is a mess. Too many ideas that the filmmaker didn't flesh out. No character development.
I was just thinking yesterday about how this movie captures post 9/11 era questions and the Bush Administration. Crazy coincidence this comes out next day
The difference between Marvel and DC: Marvel - "Stay in here, you're good, I'll send your brother to come find you. But if you step out that door...you are and Avenger. DC - "All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far away the world is from where I am. Just one bad day."
@@ReservoirPunk I'm an American and I personally dislike when Americans are used in documentaries as narrators. Very few American actors have a voice I'd be willing to listen to for over an hour (heck, if it's really unbearable I'll turn it off within 30 minutes).
As a huge fan of classic/neo noir. This video is one of my favs on UA-cam. Absolute spot on....definitely not the only 9/11 neo noir but certainly the first. Phenomenally well put together Perspective and video.
Thanks for this! It hits on the main reason why I think this film works so well. It's topical themes that manage to be relevant to today's world, without feeling too forced or trite. They really delve into the meat of what it is that makes terrorism scary. The Joker isn't just a great on-screen character because he's funny, scary and performed well by a great actor. It's because of what he represents. The idea of misanthropic rebellious chaos itself. This idea permeates every scene in the film. The Joker as an entity is present throughout the film, even when not on-screen, because the idea is on all of the character's minds at all times, which keeps the film feeling so consistent in its thematic exploration. I'll never understand people who think that Heath Ledger is the only good thing about the movie. He's outstanding for sure, and I guess I can see why people end up getting distracted by how good he is, and thus don't really notice or appreciate the more subtle things going on in the film. I remember after one of the times I saw it in the theater (I saw it seven times in theatres... I was working for Cineplex at the time, so I got free admission!)... I heard conversation while walking out of the theatre, and this one couple said to each other, "Heath Ledger was great." "Yeah, but did you notice that anything without him was garbage?" .... Been scratching my head about that one ever since. I mean, I can see people not thinking everything else about the movie is AS good as Ledger, but to say that everything else is "garbage"? I know that everybody's gonna have a different opinion, and inevitably there's gonna be people who think the movie sucks... but man, I just don't understand people who don't see at least a decent level of value in the non-Ledger aspects of this movie. There's so much to appreciate. All these analysis/appreciation videos coming out for the 10 year anniversary has been such a treat!
This video makes me want to go watch The Dark Knight again. I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Every time I see even a clip from it, I remember what an incredible film it was.
theylied1776 Nolan's Batman is still a superhero movie because superhero stories have the city getting destroyed. A lot of superheroes story bring up the question of a vigilante. Batman has a secret identity and is a very common trope in the genre. He has daddy issues like every superhero does as well.
They are superhero films. The resolution is very superhero and the themes are instinsic to superhero stories. It's grounded but it's still a superhero film.
Joseph Bapeck Superheroes Nor Supervillains exist in Nolan's Universe. They exist in other universes but not the Nolanverse. This is why Ra's al Ghul didn't have Lazarus Pits, why Bane didn't have Super Serum, and it's also why Bruce Wayne was not a super genius. This was more of an elseworld story.
Oh Screenprism, you always surprise me. I never thought of the dark knight as a noir and all of your points i agree with. This movie is now has more weight than before and I already LOVE this movie and that thanks to you.
This channel is an escape from all shit that is on UA-cam. The three of you really are very intelligent people, please keep it that way and thank you for all the knowledge. (:
As someone who is not american and whose native language isnt english, learning about 9/11, watching this movie, and years later coming across this was an experience. Since I knew very surface level information about 9/11, watching this was an eye opening experience in the sense that a lot of things clicked. Thanks!
Since you guys make relatively longer videos, it would really help if you guys gave the section breakdown with timestamps in the details or the comment section. Thanks. Love your work!
I think of the recent Twin Peaks The Return as another example of modern Noir, specifically when comparing the ideas discussed at 11:00 - 32 with Cooper's fate at the end of the series.
Another brilliant, insightful woman on team screenprism?...I guess Christmas came early this year :D So glad you joined the channel Alani!! Highly anticipating your work to come
I will be insisting that my children see this film in the future to help them understand the world they're growing up in. Even if you can't describe the tone of a post 9/11 America to a child, you can show them a film that helps them FEEL it the same way we did. Excellent work ScreenPrism.
dsmyify that they do, batman was originally was sold as a detectove comic, many batman movies have had a habit forgetting the "detective" part. The dark knight of course has some of those elements. But The Phantasm seems to be the only one that embodies it fully.
Yes to moral ambiguity and good intentions gone wrong, but Avengers: Infinity War lacks film noir's setting, mood and visual stylism. It's more like the Empire Strikes Back of the Marvel franchise.
It's insane how you always put out stuff that aligns with my life, I had finally gotten around to watching breaking bad when you released those videos and I'm currently studying film noir when you release this. I absolutely love all your videos and I'm very thankful for them because no other channel analyzes films and shows like you
I wonder if the film would be praised as much if heath was still alive. It's a great film & his performance is legendary. Yet his death was one hell of a promoting moment for the film
Wow, you actually managed to give me a reason to love The Dark Knight instead of merely appreciating it for its technical feats and Ledger's performance. Was never a huge fan of Nolan. I mean, the guy does not make bad films, far from it, but I have a hard time finding some deeper resonation within me. This video actually gave me some of that.
This analysis along with the popular fan theory of Joker being a war veteran all makes this movie more fascinating. I can imagine a fictional terrorist attack like 9/11 in Gotham which triggers a war where Joker was one of the soldiers sent out to fight. He feels patriotic and expects to be hailed as a hero but then comes back with PTSD and sees his wife cheating. It all fucks him up. All he did was be a civilized man who follows orders. His services gets ignored by society. He spends next few years miserable dealing the trauma and then somewhere in 2005-06 Batman comes up who gets called a savior even though he’s breaking the law. Maybe seeing Harvey Dent and Batman reminded Joker a previous version himself - a savior - or at least what he thought to be. “Oh You’re a Hero? Let’s see how long you can be like that” and then the Joker persona comes. He tests the limit Of the so called “heroes”. His experiment on Harvey was successful but somehow failed against Batman But was almost close. What a masterpiece!
Phenomenal video, you really showed me another side of The Dark Knight which is what I love about the movie the more I watch it I discover new layers of the movie.
*Hot Take:* Their have been Post-9/11 Noir films since The Dark Knight. Examples include Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, Looper, Skyfall, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Widows. They all either include themes in or are Post-9/11 Noir films. The difference between The Dark Knight and the later films is that The Dark Knight was the first Post-9/11 Noir film and still the best.
The Dark Knight was definitely not the only Post-9/11 Noir. Sin City and Watchmen come to mind immediately. I do enjoy your analysis of The Dark Knight as a Noir though.
Straight up my favourite analysis of this movie. I never realized just how complex this film is until now, and I think it'll be awhile until a superhero movie rivals the sheer level nuance this masterpiece achieved
Majority of this movie's noir influences come from movies like Heat and Batman stories such as Long Halloween. The influence from Heat can be clearly see in the blue color scheme that appears in many scenes. And The Long Halloween influences are shown in the intricate plotting that is focused on Gotham's criminal world.
Superhero movies have proven to be very malleable in terms of genres they can fit into. You have the Noir film in The Dark Knight. You have the Western in Logan. Spider-Man Homecoming is a coming of age comedy. Deadpool functions simultaneously as a parody of the superhero genre and an earnest example of it. Captain America: The First Avenger is a war drama film, so is Wonder Woman. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a political thriller spy movie.
I wouldn’t say the superhero genre came out of 9/11. The ball that wasn’t gonna stop rolling started with X-Men and Spider-Man (filmed before 9/11, came out after). Once it became clear that CGI was good enough to bring to life the effects needed for superhero films it was inevitable that such would become the biggest trend.
I would argue that "Skyfall" is also another Post-9/11 Noir film albeit in a very British sort of way with how those events affect espionage as explained in the video "Skyfall Analysis: Turning Back the Clock ".
It's not a perfect film, it's a film that is bloated by themes/subplots, and is not so subtle in exploring those themes, but I still think it's a classic in the genre, and overall a powerful film. The film is still being discussed a decade after it's release, and while it flaws become more apparent with multiple viewings, I still admire how much the film references/tackles while still being an overall engrossing film. At the very least it created one of the most memorable screen villains of recent history.
I didn't find it bloated by subplots, and many would agree it all flowed together pretty well. While the themes are more overt, they somewhat had to be (make the messages loud and clear). There are many intricacies in the plot that can be found on many viewings.
leonthesleepy Watchmen came pretty close IMO and I haven't even watched the directors cut. I want those dark themed DC movies. Such a great counterpart to Marvel's happy MCU.
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In the Heat of the Night, a noir, too?
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Can two movies be watched simultaneously on one account using two devices?
You know, had it not been for the shitty twist in Iron Man 3, Iron Man 3 could've potentially counted as a Post-9/11 Noir film.
There will be no other superhero movie like this, ever. As much as i love the marvel universe, Christopher Nolan created a masterpiece.
Ximena Ibarra Benítez to me, that is due to the Dark Knight being a Crime/Drama film more than a “superhero” movie like Iron Man.
No DC films could ever bests TDK
Logan?
Tony H, define to me a superhero movie. Any movie that features a superhero is a superhero movie by default. Genre isn't bound to conventions, just like the comics. And Iron Man wasn't really a "superhero" movie until the third act.
Ahmed Siralkhatim Logan despite being great is so so not even close to The dark knight. Not even better than Rises and Begins
Son of a gun, you did it.
You examined one of the most overanalysed and critically scrutinized film of our time and presented a nuanced, novel perspective on it.
Is it controversial to say this is in my top five favorite movies of all time? Possibly number one?
404thtrooper no, not at all. I’m the same way, definite Top 5 greatest movies ever made, don’t even @ me.
People have been analyzing TDK with respect to terrorism/9-11 for a while
I don't think it's over-analyzation, Christopher Nolan is the type of director to create these hidden meanings.
@@uzzab6937 the symbolism with 9//11 was blatant as day, right from the poster released months before, first time i've ever been sold on a poster ,with the tagline " Welcome To A World Without Rules"
Oooh this is going to be awesome! I actually did a whole college essay about how the U.S used superhero movies as a cinematic coping mechanism after 9/11. It’s really interesting actually. Thank you for the new perspective.
May i read it?
Have you published it online? It sounds really fascinating, I'd love to read it.
The Dark Knight is basically an allegory for the War on Terror. Batman (America) goes after organized crime (Al-Qaeda, Taliban) in Gotham (the middle east) in an effort to restore order to the city. But his efforts only make things worse.
The Joker is ISIS in this equation.
I'd also like to read it!
Tariq Thomas I would read that. Have you published it online?
R.i.P Heath Ledger. Best Joker Ever
《《《 عبد الكريم لا ، الله ليس رخيصا 》》》 umm Cesar Romero
how about Joaquin Phoenix?
Mark hamill joker 2nd best
@@benderbendingrofriguez3300 he's better. People who say Heath will always be the best say that because he's dead.
Byzantinium_Acolyte For a while I thought Phoenix was better but now I'm back to Ledger. In terms of novelty and influence it's impossible to top him, I also find his performance more immersive and captivating.
The weird painful tone of this movie is all I really ever remember after watching it. Anyone can be corrupted, but you have to keep living... but that doesn’t make it better. It’s like the movie is in conversation with itself.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" Powerful quote
Heath Ledger's Joker is arguably the greatest incarnation of the character. Even Mark Hamill was impressed by Ledger's performance.
wait until Joaquin Phoenix.
@@benderbendingrofriguez3300 Nah, absolutely NO one will ever out due Ledger's performance.
@@SacrificialOrange6218 He Just did haha
@@findijs3525 he didnt tho
@@imperfect_dan7519 mate they’re just different in what they want to transmit
"Things are worse than ever!" - my favorite film heckler
No more dead cops!
The Dark Knight: A movie that gets everything right.
Its very rare to find an video essay of this movie that has something unique to say... but you girls nailed it and argued it very well. Thanks for an excellent analysis.
The trillionth Dark Knight analysis. This film has to be the greatest film of all time. No other film has been dissected so much in the past century, not even Citizen Kane
toxicfox1137 2001: Space Odyssey probably has. In terms of video essays, I’m sure you’re right. But in terms of overall analysis, especially written analysis, nothing can ever really surpass the “classics” because they have such a head start in terms of time. The Dark Knight is also a more modern film and is more within the zeitgeist than most other films, which means more potential views, which means more videos to capitalize on said viewing potential.
"The Birth of a Nation" has
"Gone with the Wind" has
"Citizen Kane" definitely has
"The Bicycle Thief" has
"The Godfather" has
"Chinatown" has
Don't get me wrong: "The Dark Knight "is really a great 21st Century movie, no doubt. But, it's really hyperbolic to suggest "no other film since the advent of cinema has been dissected as much in the past century" than "The Dark Knight". That's a statement suggesting a lack of critical film studies experience, even on the hobbyist cinephile level, IMHO.
Black Romulan I know all the films you've mentioned. My statement comes with a sense of sarcasm, the trillionth time. It is not fair this film deserves more dissection and talk than the ones you've mentioned, and other more sophisticated art films like Synecdoche New York, 2001. I find this both fascinating and frustrating.
TDK and the Matrix. It's no coincidence that those two movies are my favorite movies of all time
toxicfox1137
I can agree. TDK had been directed and discusses so many times over the course of the past 10 years and when you compare it to other films it's not even close.
Intro 0:00
The Noir Tone 1:25
The Noir Hero 3:37
The Noir Society 6:58
Wasif Zawad Thank You!
we live in a society
The Superhero Noir 9:54
The Dark Knight is the greatest superhero movie ever made, hands down, no comparisons.
Agreed
Its not a superhero film
Those are not the best expect for cap, the only best superheroes movies are TDK trilogy, avenger trilogy, captain america trilogy, the rest can easily become forgotten.
@@Mr.Rodgers7
Bullshit it is a superhero movie but the greatest superhero movie
@@Brandonhayhew batman has no powers hes not a superhero
as much as the MCU is great i never feel as if im watching a FILM, i always feel like im just watching a comic book/21st century action movie that hit their marks and make people happy. but the reason why the dark knight stands out (and even tdkr to a certain degree) is because it is cinematically gorgeous and extremely well acted. smart script, great theme, and editing. and as hard as the mcu can try i really dont think theyll ever make something this great
A superhero movie that adapts the comics makes people feel like they watch a comic? What a coincidence.
I'm a casual superhero fan and the dark knight is one of my favorite superhero movies and one of my favorite movies of all time. I've personally never seen a superhero movie this analyzed or talked about. While not perfect, this movie definitely hits all the Marks in making a superhero that perfectly reflects existentialism, nihilism, cynicism and identity, especially when 9/11 was in everyone's minds. Plus heath ledger is hands down the best joker ever seen on film. The other jokers except for Jared leto, are really good but ledger took the character into a whole new level and basically transcended into one of the most iconic and chilling antagonists of recent memory. Truly, a near flawless, cinematic art piece, a superhero movie that'll never be made like this again.
I have always thought of this film as a noir. Thank you!
Wow! So insightful. I feel like a dummy when I watch one of your videos that's this good. But I always feel smarter afterwards. BTW, wouldn't mind seeing Screenprism do a Chinatown piece.
This video and frankly all of the these videos are so smart, well researched, uniquely considered, and beautifully executed. Thank you thank you thank you.
Too bad many superhero films either can't match the brilliance of this film and most of them try to copy it's style and fail.
Oh, and second.
Yashaswi Katailiha batman V Superman surpassed dark knight
Aron Crillco *Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?*
Aron Crillco 🤣🤣
Sorry if this seems rude bit BvS is nowhere close.
Aron Crillco no it doesn't. There no structure in Batman V. Superman. The cinemaphotography is inconsistent. The editing is a mess. Too many ideas that the filmmaker didn't flesh out. No character development.
Aaron Sanders that is correct. But some films like BvS tried to capture it's dark style and like I said, failed.
“It’s missing a femme fatale” good.
I was just thinking yesterday about how this movie captures post 9/11 era questions and the Bush Administration. Crazy coincidence this comes out next day
The Dark Knight is one of the greatest batman stories ever written
I love the narrator's voice.
Very clear enunciation, tone and pitch. And melodic too.
The difference between Marvel and DC:
Marvel - "Stay in here, you're good, I'll send your brother to come find you. But if you step out that door...you are and Avenger.
DC - "All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far away the world is from where I am. Just one bad day."
tss3393 Thanos' best scene: When he push Gamora off the cliff
Joker's Best Scene: Batman-Joker investigation..................now compare these two
You see, madness.. Is like gravity. All you need is a little push! HA HA HA
@Bobo Boy The Watchmen dialogue is pretty much quoted directly from the novel so that was an easy win. Too bad the acting wasn't on par.
Comparing an arbitrary Marvel movie quote to a quote from one of DC's most celebrated graphic novels is a bit "apples and oranges," isn't it?
Perfectly balenced, as all things should be.
RIP of Heath Legder, the best Joker ever.
great narrator. Beautiful voice !
I didn't like the narrator's voice. Phony.
God I hate dumbass comments like this. It never fails.
Huh? Annoying American voice you mean. Nobody but other Americans enjoy that horrendous accent.
Holy shit is this really Jordi polla? Lol
@@ReservoirPunk I'm an American and I personally dislike when Americans are used in documentaries as narrators. Very few American actors have a voice I'd be willing to listen to for over an hour (heck, if it's really unbearable I'll turn it off within 30 minutes).
As a huge fan of classic/neo noir. This video is one of my favs on UA-cam. Absolute spot on....definitely not the only 9/11 neo noir but certainly the first. Phenomenally well put together Perspective and video.
Thanks for this! It hits on the main reason why I think this film works so well. It's topical themes that manage to be relevant to today's world, without feeling too forced or trite. They really delve into the meat of what it is that makes terrorism scary. The Joker isn't just a great on-screen character because he's funny, scary and performed well by a great actor. It's because of what he represents. The idea of misanthropic rebellious chaos itself. This idea permeates every scene in the film. The Joker as an entity is present throughout the film, even when not on-screen, because the idea is on all of the character's minds at all times, which keeps the film feeling so consistent in its thematic exploration.
I'll never understand people who think that Heath Ledger is the only good thing about the movie. He's outstanding for sure, and I guess I can see why people end up getting distracted by how good he is, and thus don't really notice or appreciate the more subtle things going on in the film. I remember after one of the times I saw it in the theater (I saw it seven times in theatres... I was working for Cineplex at the time, so I got free admission!)... I heard conversation while walking out of the theatre, and this one couple said to each other, "Heath Ledger was great." "Yeah, but did you notice that anything without him was garbage?" .... Been scratching my head about that one ever since. I mean, I can see people not thinking everything else about the movie is AS good as Ledger, but to say that everything else is "garbage"? I know that everybody's gonna have a different opinion, and inevitably there's gonna be people who think the movie sucks... but man, I just don't understand people who don't see at least a decent level of value in the non-Ledger aspects of this movie. There's so much to appreciate. All these analysis/appreciation videos coming out for the 10 year anniversary has been such a treat!
This video makes me want to go watch The Dark Knight again. I haven't seen it in a couple of years. Every time I see even a clip from it, I remember what an incredible film it was.
Also, None of Nolans Batman movies are Superhero movies. They are reality grounded Elseworld movies
theylied1776 that's what I always tell the comic geeks who hated the "realism" of the trilogy
theylied1776 Nolan's Batman is still a superhero movie because superhero stories have the city getting destroyed. A lot of superheroes story bring up the question of a vigilante. Batman has a secret identity and is a very common trope in the genre. He has daddy issues like every superhero does as well.
theylied1776 You're funny.
They are superhero films. The resolution is very superhero and the themes are instinsic to superhero stories. It's grounded but it's still a superhero film.
Joseph Bapeck Superheroes Nor Supervillains exist in Nolan's Universe. They exist in other universes but not the Nolanverse. This is why Ra's al Ghul didn't have Lazarus Pits, why Bane didn't have Super Serum, and it's also why Bruce Wayne was not a super genius. This was more of an elseworld story.
This is really cool, I was only 2 years old when 9/11 happened so I don’t remember it and I never thought of superhero movies in that way😊
I love how we can analyze movies years after their release and discover new things in a different light/context. Great video🙌
I was not expecting this essay to be as insightful and thought provoking as it is. I'm definitely subbing, but I expect this quality going forward.
Because it's not a superhero movie. it's a crime thriller with a vigilante.
That's the definition of noir
Ian MD Batman’s one of the most iconic superheroes of all time, it’s a superhero movie that just so happened to be a great Noir
Of course it is a superhero movie; each hero has its own colors and Batman just happens to be a pretty unique one.
Heat in world of DC
@@skiiimsk No, it's a crima drama with comic book characters in. But nothing about the film is "superhero', at least VERY little
then what the hell is zootopia
It’s own wonder
Oh Screenprism, you always surprise me. I never thought of the dark knight as a noir and all of your points i agree with. This movie is now has more weight than before and I already LOVE this movie and that thanks to you.
I've seen at least 50 video essays about this film. This one in particular is one of the most insightful I've seen!! Blew my mind
This channel is an escape from all shit that is on UA-cam. The three of you really are very intelligent people, please keep it that way and thank you for all the knowledge. (:
As much as I love The Dark Knight, I like The Dark Knight Rises just a bit more
never really thought of TDK as a noir. Its more of a high energy action crime thriller imo. Doesnt really have the mood and atmosphere of a noir imo
Truly one of the greatest comic book movies of all time
Love your work, ScreenPrism!
Thanks for including the "Things are worse than EVER!" guy, he's my favorite behind "No more dead cops!" guy
you trusted me. and i failed you.
saberkix best line in the trilogy
As someone who is not american and whose native language isnt english, learning about 9/11, watching this movie, and years later coming across this was an experience. Since I knew very surface level information about 9/11, watching this was an eye opening experience in the sense that a lot of things clicked. Thanks!
Since you guys make relatively longer videos, it would really help if you guys gave the section breakdown with timestamps in the details or the comment section. Thanks.
Love your work!
I think of the recent Twin Peaks The Return as another example of modern Noir, specifically when comparing the ideas discussed at 11:00 - 32 with Cooper's fate at the end of the series.
Interestingly The Dark Knight ride’s intro contains scenes from gangster noir films
Please do a video on the truman show!
Nerdwriter did a video on Truman show, if you haven't watched it yet their channel is a lot like this one
The Take: "Batman may not get beaten up and abused like many noir protagonists..."
Bane: "I will break him."
@James Lucas Well, he did get chewed up by a BIG dog in the first act.
Another brilliant, insightful woman on team screenprism?...I guess Christmas came early this year :D
So glad you joined the channel Alani!!
Highly anticipating your work to come
I think I’ve watched all youtube videos about film analysis on The Dark Knight. And they’re all so good, intelligent and eye opening it’s impossible
The dark knight will forever be the best comic book movie to ever exist.
You have made me watch The Dark Knight again!
So you people at ScreenPrism haven't seen [No Country for Old Men]? That movie is the very definition of Film Noir. It's a Blueprint for Fim Noir.
theylied1776 They're talking specifically about a post-9/11 film noir that deals with the feelings surrounding that event.
theylied1776 that film reflects the fear of worsening of crime at the tail end of the 20th century, not exactly 9/11
The Once and Future Nerd Yes, and that movie would also be No Country for Old Men. But why don't you tell me why it doesn't?
Michael Otis The Dark Knight isn't specifically about 9/11 either.
Michael Otis Did you even watch this video?
I will be insisting that my children see this film in the future to help them understand the world they're growing up in. Even if you can't describe the tone of a post 9/11 America to a child, you can show them a film that helps them FEEL it the same way we did. Excellent work ScreenPrism.
The Batman comics where inpired by noir detective movies if I remembered correctly
Allan Bunting ~ the cartoon series resembles the comics you're referring to.
dsmyify that they do, batman was originally was sold as a detectove comic, many batman movies have had a habit forgetting the "detective" part. The dark knight of course has some of those elements. But The Phantasm seems to be the only one that embodies it fully.
As I think about it, i believe the concept "masked detective" gave rise to the idea of batman lol
@@WaTahBasTard Cough Cough "THE SHADOW" Cough Cough.
I think the latest 'The Batman' is perhaps one of the new entries in post 9/11 neo Noir genre.
SP comes with another WIN - thanks for the fantastic content yall!
I believe "The Avengers:Infinity War" is in a way related to this style and why the ending helps make it one of the best films ever.
Yes to moral ambiguity and good intentions gone wrong, but Avengers: Infinity War lacks film noir's setting, mood and visual stylism. It's more like the Empire Strikes Back of the Marvel franchise.
Avengers Infinity War is great, but one of the best ever? That's a pretty big stretch.
I've seen many dark Knight analysis but this one still managed to teach me something new😍
12:57 aaaaaaaand im in love
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you know thats when i subbed
i'm so happy i subscribed this channel, every video is just mind-blowing to me
It's insane how you always put out stuff that aligns with my life, I had finally gotten around to watching breaking bad when you released those videos and I'm currently studying film noir when you release this. I absolutely love all your videos and I'm very thankful for them because no other channel analyzes films and shows like you
I wonder if the film would be praised as much if heath was still alive. It's a great film & his performance is legendary. Yet his death was one hell of a promoting moment for the film
Ramon Vargas Maybe somewhat true. Dead or alive though still a legendary performance.
Ramon Vargas Yes.
Maybe at the time but his death wouldn't lead us to still be talking about it today. Obviously there was more to it than that.
I JUST SAW THIS YESTERDAY IN IMAX 70 MM!! It was like I was watching it for the first time it was absolutely amazing!
Wow, you actually managed to give me a reason to love The Dark Knight instead of merely appreciating it for its technical feats and Ledger's performance. Was never a huge fan of Nolan. I mean, the guy does not make bad films, far from it, but I have a hard time finding some deeper resonation within me. This video actually gave me some of that.
I wish there was an ASMR version of this video.
Fits with the theory some people have of The Joker being a former soldier out for revenge on a society that abandoned him and saw him as expendable.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
it reminds me the last sentence in Shutter Island : "Which would be worse : To live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
This analysis along with the popular fan theory of Joker being a war veteran all makes this movie more fascinating. I can imagine a fictional terrorist attack like 9/11 in Gotham which triggers a war where Joker was one of the soldiers sent out to fight. He feels patriotic and expects to be hailed as a hero but then comes back with PTSD and sees his wife cheating. It all fucks him up. All he did was be a civilized man who follows orders. His services gets ignored by society. He spends next few years miserable dealing the trauma and then somewhere in 2005-06 Batman comes up who gets called a savior even though he’s breaking the law. Maybe seeing Harvey Dent and Batman reminded Joker a previous version himself - a savior - or at least what he thought to be.
“Oh You’re a Hero? Let’s see how long you can be like that” and then the Joker persona comes. He tests the limit
Of the so called “heroes”. His experiment on Harvey was successful but somehow failed against Batman But was almost close.
What a masterpiece!
I would add "The Watchmen," and "Captain America: Winter Soldier" and "Avengers: Civil War."
You either die as a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
Why the question mark ❓
Alright, this is now officially my favorite movie channel
Phenomenal video, you really showed me another side of The Dark Knight which is what I love about the movie the more I watch it I discover new layers of the movie.
*Hot Take:* Their have been Post-9/11 Noir films since The Dark Knight. Examples include Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, Looper, Skyfall, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Widows.
They all either include themes in or are Post-9/11 Noir films. The difference between The Dark Knight and the later films is that The Dark Knight was the first Post-9/11 Noir film and still the best.
The Dark Knight was definitely not the only Post-9/11 Noir. Sin City and Watchmen come to mind immediately. I do enjoy your analysis of The Dark Knight as a Noir though.
Straight up my favourite analysis of this movie. I never realized just how complex this film is until now, and I think it'll be awhile until a superhero movie rivals the sheer level nuance this masterpiece achieved
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I actually searched for 'the dark knight noir' 😅
I actually felt like it as a noir for a long period of time before realizing 😄
Now, I want to see The Dark Knight in black & white.
great video! i never really picked up the noir tones and styles of the Dark Knight! But after this video i cant unsee it haha
its crazy how 13 years later people still talk about it, even without there being another sequel like the marvel movies for almost 10 years
My God, I did not think it possible, but I love this movie twice as much as ever now.
This is an amazing perspective!!! Love these videos and welcome to the Screen Prism Family Alani!!!
Health was brilliant. Immaculate trilogy
The film that keeps on giving
Majority of this movie's noir influences come from movies like Heat and Batman stories such as Long Halloween. The influence from Heat can be clearly see in the blue color scheme that appears in many scenes. And The Long Halloween influences are shown in the intricate plotting that is focused on Gotham's criminal world.
Superhero movies have proven to be very malleable in terms of genres they can fit into. You have the Noir film in The Dark Knight. You have the Western in Logan. Spider-Man Homecoming is a coming of age comedy. Deadpool functions simultaneously as a parody of the superhero genre and an earnest example of it. Captain America: The First Avenger is a war drama film, so is Wonder Woman. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a political thriller spy movie.
The Dark Knight Rises is an action/literary epic and Joker being a psychological/crime drama.
By your definition The Departed is also a post 9-11 Noir and it won best picture so I feel like our culture recognized the need for it.
"The Only post 9/11 Noir"
V for Vendetta: Am i a joke to you
Anyone ever notice how alfred literally just explained character motivations and foreshadowed events like... the whole time?
marvel superheroes movie looks like cartoon when compared to The Dark Knight
I wouldn’t say the superhero genre came out of 9/11. The ball that wasn’t gonna stop rolling started with X-Men and Spider-Man (filmed before 9/11, came out after). Once it became clear that CGI was good enough to bring to life the effects needed for superhero films it was inevitable that such would become the biggest trend.
I would argue that "Skyfall" is also another Post-9/11 Noir film albeit in a very British sort of way with how those events affect espionage as explained in the video "Skyfall Analysis: Turning Back the Clock
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Nicely done, I enjoyed this.
It's not a perfect film, it's a film that is bloated by themes/subplots, and is not so subtle in exploring those themes, but I still think it's a classic in the genre, and overall a powerful film. The film is still being discussed a decade after it's release, and while it flaws become more apparent with multiple viewings, I still admire how much the film references/tackles while still being an overall engrossing film. At the very least it created one of the most memorable screen villains of recent history.
I didn't find it bloated by subplots, and many would agree it all flowed together pretty well. While the themes are more overt, they somewhat had to be (make the messages loud and clear). There are many intricacies in the plot that can be found on many viewings.
One of the best films of all time, not just superhero films - all films, period.
To this date, nothing comes close to The Dark Knight. But i'll list a few that came close imo
(in no order)
1. Logan
2. Watchmen
3. Spiderman 2
leonthesleepy Watchmen came pretty close IMO and I haven't even watched the directors cut. I want those dark themed DC movies. Such a great counterpart to Marvel's happy MCU.
Mask of the Phantasm...
leonthesleepy does incredibles count?
I've only seen the directors cut and i loved it!
incredibles still beats dark knight imo
Hi Alani! That was a great debut on the channel and you should feel great.