Here's a couple of suggestions if you don't mind them. First I suggest that before you start attaching a buffer tube, you get the hand grip attached; that gives you just a little more room to turn the screw or the bolt to attach the hand grip. The second item is even though this says that it can take a mil-spec hand grip, please remember not one with the Beavertail. I hope you find this helpful in that others find this helpful
I don't mind. If you aren't using a vertical grip you might find putting the buffer tube set screw in awkward depending on the rake of your grip. I find beavertail grips to be the least "speky" of AR parts. I've only tried two, and one fits and the other doesn't. All the non-beaver grips I've tried fit perfectly.
Excellent content and clear explanation, I would have liked the designers to respect the hole to be able to secure the barrel bands and not have them come loose. 👍
Check out the new barrel band from BlackArts Design for the Avenge X. All the support but none of the POI shift when too much weight is put on the pic rail.
My groups were all over the place when using the chassis at first because I couldn’t mount the barrel brackets back down and the barrel had some wobble too it. I drilled a hole between the first and second lug on the bottom pic rail and just light bolted it on but slowing a small gap between the bracket and chassis rail so when using bipod it didn’t move the barrel thing shoots dead on now. ( love the chassis)
The Saber Tactical chassis is what the OEM production Avenge X Tactical should have been. Who does their designs for Air Venturi?? I am guessing Springfield Armory.( I think I read it somewhere.) One of the weaknesses of the Avenge X Tactical version OEM stock is where it screws into the rear stock connecting base it is a very weak composite plastic and mine broke off when the rifle took a dive accidentally. I think what Saber tactical has done with their design in regard to this area was to make the threaded stock buffer tube receptor of machined metal making it less susceptible to breaking and making it more durable. I like the Saber tactical chassis for the bottled version alot but $300?? I feel is a bit steep. If you think about it, it cost almost as much as a Avenge X 25 cal (tube version) rifle! I would consider $200 or less for what it is otherwise I will stick to OEM chassis just be more careful next time. I really think after a year or so Air Venturi should canvass Avenge X owners about if you could maker this rifle better what would it be type of survey. Imagine if they even listened and applied improvements on the Avenge X platform how much better a value and even more robust this rifle can be. I would probably sell the 1st gen one and get the more improve one. That's just me. It is a great rifle I have to say, but can be improved. Just listen to the owners they know best.
Thanks for sharing the tutorial. I'm sure the machining is excellent but $300 is a big hit to the bank account especially for a budget oriented PCP. It's always nice having choices. I have one of the ST bag riders for my Maverick. And I love my avenger X also.
I know they tried to keep it so you could re-use as much as possible from the original build to help folks on a budget. It will be interesting to see if other companies come out whith options and what those will run.
It shouldn't have that much flex. Make sure that it is bedded properly and the action screws are fully seated and snug. Be careful not to cross thread the screws going into the action, and don't use it if the screws are loose. Stressing a loose screws is a sure way to tear out threads.
Very good video, congratulations, a question, don't you have a tactical chassis for the Leviathan R2?, I am a new subscriber from Santiago Chile, greetings and hugs from a distance
Damn PJ you look like a fairly well built bloke, but that Airgun looks huge in your hands, definitely going to need either a good bi-pod or heavy duty Tri-pod..Im sorry but I've had some heavy rifles, but nothing like that..
Excellent Video, just one? On the original stock the barrel band is locked in. On the chassis it is left were you slid it. Now doesn't that defeat the purpose of the barrel band since it is free to move. What's your opinion?
The challenge with locking it in is that any pressure on the rail translates to the barrel shroud, which can at best will shift your POI and could even be responsible for pellet clipping. The stock one does have some flex, so you need to be careful about how much pressure you are putting on the rail when shooting off a bipod. The barrel is free floated inside the shroud. I've taken off more barrel bands than I've installed.
I was thinking on those same lines better to levee it off. Is there much flex on the unsupported barrel shroud/barrel to effect POI? Maybe design a barrel ban to fit with the chassis clamped to the bottle for those who prefer the band. Very impressed with all of Saber Tactical innovations.
@@dennischristian9448 I know on the original when I swapped from a canted forward bipod to a canted back configuration (short bench) I put enough pressure on (unintentionally) to shift POI pretty significantly, and it took me a minute to figure out what was happening. I'm sure in time other people will be adding to the barrel band options.
The bare Chassis with a grip is 2.5 pounds. My Avenge-X, scoped and wearing the Chassis is 10 pounds. The parts I took off (and didn't put back on) are 2 pounds. So I'd say about a half pound.
@@WiscAirGunners My chassis just came in the mail. I just got it installed. When I posted the question, I didn’t know my wife’s food scale could weigh that much weight, lol. I put a different stock and grip on the gun. With a scope and light mounted on it, it weighs right at 10 lbs. But the chassis makes it feel like a totally different gun! It is heavy, but not near as front heavy as it was. With the original stock, honestly I felt it was a bit clumsy to carry and shoot off hand.(I hunt with mine.) The Saber Tactical makes it much better. I really like it. Your tutorial on the swap out made the job a breeze.I watched your video twice before doing the swap out. I’m glad you mentioned the barrel band. When I first tried putting on the new chassis, it wouldn’t go on. I reviewed the video, called myself a dumb****, and finished the job😂. Thank you for the response! This is my first air gun. Your videos have taught me a tremendous amount. You are a great instructor!
@@williammcguire1823 Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad the video helped. There are lots of great people in the community willing to lend a hand. I'll be sure to pass your compliments on to the guys who did the engineering.
@blindj I looked earlier I didn't see it but I found it just now thanks. I think it's well worth the $300 cuz you right now can't even buy a 3D printed one for that .
I PJ I have another question for you. Just got my avenge x and saber chassis today. After doing the swap and removing the original stock my barrel shroud moves back and forth about1/8 inch. I checked and the barrel isn’t moving just the shroud. Any advise? Thanks again.
You can put the barrel band on for some support in front of the rail. Make sure the shroud itself is fully seated to the action. You might also reach out to Black Arts Design to see if he has a barrel band. His MO for fastening them doesn’t require the bottom bolt.
I took off the barrel shroud and the rear where the set screw is was loose. I tightened it down and now no movement. Thanks PJ the saber chassis is awesome!!!!!!!!
@@WiscAirGunnersThose are all very well crafted, accurate platforms that have been around for a bit, tried & tested by many skilled airgunners. Besides the modular aspects the chassis adds, is there any other benefits for those platforms? I would imagine rigidity and durability would not be issues on any of those. I always pictured chassis systems being precision machined and structurally superior to a typical rifle stock made of polymer or wood, perhaps not a laminate stock that’s been properly bedded to the receiver but is this a misconception on my end?
@@George.___ usually it’s the ability to make more adjustments and more connections in more places, at the shooter’s discretion. You have more choices of bipod/tripod style connections, and where they connect. You can modify the platform to the style of shooting. There’s also an issue of durability, or maybe it should be acceptability of “battle scarring.”
@@WiscAirGunners Ok thanks that makes sense. I can certainly see the advantages from the versatility standpoint and ease of configuration the chassis brings to a platform.
@@sandyschupper8401 more precise without. At least in the chassis. The company I’d look to for a barrel band is Black Arts Design, if they make one for the Avenge-X.
@@WiscAirGunners First hiccup I encountered with this chassis……. It WILL not fit Ar magpul grips bcuz the contour of the chassis around the web of ur hand does not match the contour of an Ar lower. I had to modify the grip to fit
Here's a couple of suggestions if you don't mind them. First I suggest that before you start attaching a buffer tube, you get the hand grip attached; that gives you just a little more room to turn the screw or the bolt to attach the hand grip. The second item is even though this says that it can take a mil-spec hand grip, please remember not one with the Beavertail. I hope you find this helpful in that others find this helpful
I don't mind.
If you aren't using a vertical grip you might find putting the buffer tube set screw in awkward depending on the rake of your grip. I find beavertail grips to be the least "speky" of AR parts. I've only tried two, and one fits and the other doesn't. All the non-beaver grips I've tried fit perfectly.
Thanks man. I just bought the Avenge X and a ST chassis upgrade, so thanks for being entirely thorough on the details of installation. 🤘🏻
@@chrisRIOT_official thanks for checking it out.
Excellent content and clear explanation, I would have liked the designers to respect the hole to be able to secure the barrel bands and not have them come loose. 👍
Check out the new barrel band from BlackArts Design for the Avenge X. All the support but none of the POI shift when too much weight is put on the pic rail.
Pj great video. Very in-depth, I liked the up close pictures! I don't own the rifle, but watched it to the end. I found it really interesting. Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to say something!
My groups were all over the place when using the chassis at first because I couldn’t mount the barrel brackets back down and the barrel had some wobble too it. I drilled a hole between the first and second lug on the bottom pic rail and just light bolted it on but slowing a small gap between the bracket and chassis rail so when using bipod it didn’t move the barrel thing shoots dead on now. ( love the chassis)
Good idea. Mine shoots better without the band.
@@WiscAirGunners nice read some of the comments and my shroud was lose set screw was loose and so was my Barrels set screws
The Saber Tactical chassis is what the OEM production Avenge X Tactical should have been. Who does their designs for Air Venturi?? I am guessing Springfield Armory.( I think I read it somewhere.) One of the weaknesses of the Avenge X Tactical version OEM stock is where it screws into the rear stock connecting base it is a very weak composite plastic and mine broke off when the rifle took a dive accidentally. I think what Saber tactical has done with their design in regard to this area was to make the threaded stock buffer tube receptor of machined metal making it less susceptible to breaking and making it more durable. I like the Saber tactical chassis for the bottled version alot but $300?? I feel is a bit steep. If you think about it, it cost almost as much as a Avenge X 25 cal (tube version) rifle! I would consider $200 or less for what it is otherwise I will stick to OEM chassis just be more careful next time. I really think after a year or so Air Venturi should canvass Avenge X owners about if you could maker this rifle better what would it be type of survey. Imagine if they even listened and applied improvements on the Avenge X platform how much better a value and even more robust this rifle can be. I would probably sell the 1st gen one and get the more improve one. That's just me. It is a great rifle I have to say, but can be improved. Just listen to the owners they know best.
Ouch. I hate when those Airguns get a mind of their own and take the fall. Did you reach out to see if they would sell you replacement parts?
I'm a little late finding your video. Thank you for an awesome tutorial. I have a question. Will the chassis fit the carbine tube version?
@@bullbars1822 there are two versions, one for the CF bottle and one for the tube.
Thanks for sharing the tutorial. I'm sure the machining is excellent but $300 is a big hit to the bank account especially for a budget oriented PCP. It's always nice having choices. I have one of the ST bag riders for my Maverick. And I love my avenger X also.
I know they tried to keep it so you could re-use as much as possible from the original build to help folks on a budget. It will be interesting to see if other companies come out whith options and what those will run.
@@WiscAirGunners if they do I'm sure it'll be right around the same price. Even 3D printed versions would probably be about $250.
I finally got my hands on a sabre tactical stock on an Avenger X I noticed you didn't talk about the front Archer rail flexing up to the air tube.
It shouldn't have that much flex. Make sure that it is bedded properly and the action screws are fully seated and snug. Be careful not to cross thread the screws going into the action, and don't use it if the screws are loose. Stressing a loose screws is a sure way to tear out threads.
Great video, it would be great if someone offered a chassis for the Gauntlet.30 sl
There are a number of people who have said that.
Very good video, congratulations, a question, don't you have a tactical chassis for the Leviathan R2?, I am a new subscriber from Santiago Chile, greetings and hugs from a distance
Thanks for dropping by. I don't know of a chassis for that particular air rifle. Sorry.
Damn PJ you look like a fairly well built bloke, but that Airgun looks huge in your hands, definitely going to need either a good bi-pod or heavy duty Tri-pod..Im sorry but I've had some heavy rifles, but nothing like that..
I just put my .22 cal tube version on the shipping scale, in the Chassis with a scope it was 10 pounds.
Very very cool!
Thanks
Excellent Video, just one? On the original stock the barrel band is locked in. On the chassis it is left were you slid it. Now doesn't that defeat the purpose of the barrel band since it is free to move. What's your opinion?
The challenge with locking it in is that any pressure on the rail translates to the barrel shroud, which can at best will shift your POI and could even be responsible for pellet clipping. The stock one does have some flex, so you need to be careful about how much pressure you are putting on the rail when shooting off a bipod.
The barrel is free floated inside the shroud. I've taken off more barrel bands than I've installed.
I was thinking on those same lines better to levee it off. Is there much flex on the unsupported barrel shroud/barrel to effect POI? Maybe design a barrel ban to fit with the chassis clamped to the bottle for those who prefer the band. Very impressed with all of Saber Tactical innovations.
@@dennischristian9448 I know on the original when I swapped from a canted forward bipod to a canted back configuration (short bench) I put enough pressure on (unintentionally) to shift POI pretty significantly, and it took me a minute to figure out what was happening. I'm sure in time other people will be adding to the barrel band options.
Any idea how much weight the Saber Tactical chassis adds to the gun?
The bare Chassis with a grip is 2.5 pounds. My Avenge-X, scoped and wearing the Chassis is 10 pounds. The parts I took off (and didn't put back on) are 2 pounds. So I'd say about a half pound.
@@WiscAirGunners My chassis just came in the mail. I just got it installed. When I posted the question, I didn’t know my wife’s food scale could weigh that much weight, lol. I put a different stock and grip on the gun. With a scope and light mounted on it, it weighs right at 10 lbs. But the chassis makes it feel like a totally different gun! It is heavy, but not near as front heavy as it was. With the original stock, honestly I felt it was a bit clumsy to carry and shoot off hand.(I hunt with mine.) The Saber Tactical makes it much better. I really like it. Your tutorial on the swap out made the job a breeze.I watched your video twice before doing the swap out. I’m glad you mentioned the barrel band. When I first tried putting on the new chassis, it wouldn’t go on. I reviewed the video, called myself a dumb****, and finished the job😂. Thank you for the response! This is my first air gun. Your videos have taught me a tremendous amount. You are a great instructor!
@@williammcguire1823 Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad the video helped. There are lots of great people in the community willing to lend a hand. I'll be sure to pass your compliments on to the guys who did the engineering.
Nice PCP...👍
Thanks.
Two questions
When is it going to be available
And how much is it going to cost
I’d check the Saber Tactical Website.
@@WiscAirGunners I have🤷
@@gumbystownyou can buy it right now it looks like. I'm in the US and it says add. But that $300 price tag stings especially for a $500 PCP.
@blindj I looked earlier I didn't see it but I found it just now thanks.
I think it's well worth the $300 cuz you right now can't even buy a 3D printed one for that .
@WiscAirGunners I didn't find it earlier but I did find it just now I think it's well worth 300 thanks for the good video.
I PJ I have another question for you. Just got my avenge x and saber chassis today. After doing the swap and removing the original stock my barrel shroud moves back and forth about1/8 inch. I checked and the barrel isn’t moving just the shroud. Any advise? Thanks again.
You can put the barrel band on for some support in front of the rail. Make sure the shroud itself is fully seated to the action. You might also reach out to Black Arts Design to see if he has a barrel band. His MO for fastening them doesn’t require the bottom bolt.
I took off the barrel shroud and the rear where the set screw is was loose. I tightened it down and now no movement. Thanks PJ the saber chassis is awesome!!!!!!!!
Hello PJ can you tell the the overall length with chassis and factory stock installed. Thanks
It goes from about 41" to 43.5" de[pending on whether or not you have the stock extended.
Thank you very much sir.
Interesting, are there chassis systems available for other air rifles?
They have made them for the FX Dreamline and Crown, and the Raw HM1000x.
@@WiscAirGunnersThose are all very well crafted, accurate platforms that have been around for a bit, tried & tested by many skilled airgunners. Besides the modular aspects the chassis adds, is there any other benefits for those platforms?
I would imagine rigidity and durability would not be issues on any of those.
I always pictured chassis systems being precision machined and structurally superior to a typical rifle stock made of polymer or wood, perhaps not a laminate stock that’s been properly bedded to the receiver but is this a misconception on my end?
@@George.___ usually it’s the ability to make more adjustments and more connections in more places, at the shooter’s discretion. You have more choices of bipod/tripod style connections, and where they connect. You can modify the platform to the style of shooting. There’s also an issue of durability, or maybe it should be acceptability of “battle scarring.”
@@WiscAirGunners Ok thanks that makes sense. I can certainly see the advantages from the versatility standpoint and ease of configuration the chassis brings to a platform.
I want to upgrade to the bottle
But nobody has the barrel band available.
I’m hoping BlackArts Design will pick up on the demand and make one for the people who prefer using them.
Unable to re-install the original grip from my avenge-x tactical after installing the saber tactical chassis
I was able to install it with a standard grip screw, but I didn't like the look.
I feel a little bit ripped off@@WiscAirGunners
@@ronsteele1835 if you need a different grip I’ll send you one.
That would be fantastic (you aren't kidding me are you?)@WiscAirGunners
@@ronsteele1835 nope.
Issues with barrel band?
Mine is more precise without it so I have no issues.
@@WiscAirGunners more precise WITHOUT barrel band? Or do you suggest another barrel band?
@@sandyschupper8401 more precise without. At least in the chassis. The company I’d look to for a barrel band is Black Arts Design, if they make one for the Avenge-X.
nice
Thanks.
Excelente
Agreed!
The original looks better
It’s a good thing we have choices!
I was thinking the same thing, Ted.
way overpriced chassis for an an air rifle.
U costed me the same chassis…..it best live up to the hype😆
@@slurpyman20 I hope you love it as much as I do.
@@WiscAirGunners
First hiccup I encountered with this chassis……. It WILL not fit Ar magpul grips bcuz the contour of the chassis around the web of ur hand does not match the contour of an Ar lower. I had to modify the grip to fit
@@slurpyman20 Was it one of their grips with the beavertail?
@@WiscAirGunners
Yea like most of the ar grips of present time with the exception of the standard plain a2 grip