Great video! Another important thing to know is that you should also apply to jobs manually, as well as using a recruiter. Many businesses want to hire without using a recruiter so they can avoid the finders fee, so in some instances that can be an advantage. Do both!
@@sppanday_ ok? But my my point is that some businesses do not like using recruiters because they have to pay them a finders fee. So, they will more often give priority to applicants who apply directly as it is cheaper. Do both.
This video is everything! All your advice was on point! I've watched a lot of videos like these and, having been through a bootcamp myself, I feel like you're really getting to the meat of the bones here.
Your comment on the interviewer not understanding your showcase app is spot on. It seems like HR people have no creativity or flexibility when assessing the capability of people. You can be a full stack developer with a portfolio that has tons of examples of different applications, but lets say that if you dont have a single one that uses React js or uses Angular instead then you probably wont be selected.
I totally agree! Lots of companies are trying to save money. Often times I read jobs ads wanting a Backend Developer, but read further it would be a huge plus if you can do some Frontend as well lol. They’re trying to save money!
Very grateful for your insight and content. Clear and concise. I am starting a bootcamp in the next weeks. I currently work for Hewlett-Packard and have other Global IT companies on my resume. So getting accepted to many BCs, having a hard time deciding. I have been patch coding by Googling for years as part of my job on small internal apps.. Stack Overflow dependent. I want to be in a full stack career, I enjoy learning/ working mainly in React Stacks right now. Does your organization have anything that may fit my criteria? I only can do part time evenings and weekends.
I wish this was recommended to me before, I probably would have found a job and not worked odd jobs for 3 years. Now I have some type of idea. Unfortunately I stopped coding. So now I have to refresh these 4 months on Java, Spring and Angular. Then make better projects.
Good advice! My problem is I have a good job now, but wanting a career change. So I’m not sure how much of a pay cut I’m willing to take for that first job.
In the UK this kind of company is called a "An Agency" they always pay more also. Im currently a bus driver, average hourly pay is £13, because I work through an agency i get £22ph.
Great video! Thank you for making it. I am curious what you consider a first job. Like would you want a bootcamp graduate to work at like a digital agency coding websites even though it doesn't really work on the more indepth skills like a web app?
The camp I went to DID NOT set me up to do well on the technical interview. I had to go back to another IT industry and stop applying for programming jobs... most of these jobs said I need "experience" and said my coding camp "wasn't good enough." Also, it seems I'm age discriminated so they are paying jr. developers peanuts when my recent IT position (not code related) pays 65K+ starting... I get very discouraged and pretty much gave up because I got bills to pay and my coding camp told me that I could find a job within 6 months from completing the course... well... it's 2 years now.. still nothing...had to go back to my other IT job.
i'm amazed about your free content i can't imagine how would be to be on your academy ! you are giving me hope that i can get a job with a decent company in Europe or any country where computer engineers has decent salary -in mt country if you get a job with 300 dollars consider yourself to be luck i graduated with master degree in computer science 5 years of programming experience but what you earn from this field as a job is really low , so i'll late you know when i get a job and have salary like 2k dollars lol thanks
I'm concerned because I'm about to enter coding dojo bottcamp which is 11 grand for 2 stack program. Html, python, css and im wondering of its worth it. Just sounds like a lot for a no guarantee, when u can go to college and get certifications for half the price
I'm going to be doing FullStack Academy bootcamp soon but I live in Canada and not in the US so I will be doing it online, I know they help you get a job but I don't know if they offer the same help to people outside of the US. That being said, this video taught me about recruiters and I had no clue I could sell myself to recruiters and have them do the job hunting for me while I can just prep for interviews so that's neat as I may be needing that lol.
@@JasonScott1991 I’m about to graduate from Fullstack-they will absolutely help you. A lot of jobs are remote and career services does a lot of work making sure your resume and materials are top notch. The only thing is that the companies on launch day that aren’t looking for remote workers won’t be based on Canada. Best of luck! I’m going to be a fellow for the 2109 Grace Hopper cohort-I hope I’ll see you around and feel free to message me if you have any questions!
I disagree and won’t be taking a low paying job offer after I’m done studying full stack web dev. I know people getting out of boot camps and making 100k.
That is the exception not the rule. You are building a career that leads high paying jobs. The first job gets you into the field and you grow from there.
Hi .my son hoppe to coming usa for learing in bootcamp so how he can learning. On line or he muste coming in usa because we leave in algeria noeth of africa please anser me
Do you recommend the first offer strategy in any market? I'm moving to NYC soon and worry about taking a job that is too low on salary when I have that high cost of living to worry about.
Does the recruiting advice work even if you're not finished with the camp? I know a bit of HTML, CSS, and JS and I'm wondering if I can start working in the field if I do enough projects.
It can. It's going to depend on the recruiter. You need to show them enough work that they can sell you into a position. Impress the recruiter and you will be moving along.
We definitely don't think it's too old, but there is an age bias in the industry. You can overcome that with a great portfolio, just like the student in our example. We've seen people in their late 50's break in.
It’s OK. Just understand what you’re signing up for. It’s a long term contact that you need to complete or pay a penalty. It gets a bad wrap from those who sign not understanding exactly what’s involved.
Dammit Bobby Davis. If it was really easier to interview for a regular office job, I'd get a regular office job! I interviewed for a job and they asked me the following question verbatim, I kid you not. They asked me "Can you please tell me about a time you disagreed with a co-worker?" How in God's name am I supposed to answer a question like that!? Ask me to invert a binary search tree any day! Or whatever! Tech questions can actually be answered!
So how did you answer it? In general they want to know if you can work with others. I would say the goal is for the company to win. I would listen to my coworker and do what is best for the company even if my suggestion is not chosen. Disagreement is ok but listen to both sides and move the company forward.
We are just giving real advice based on placing people into jobs and what people pay in the industry. We have seen 100k for the first dev job but it is not typical.
Depends on where you live too, if you're in a overpopulated area in California for example yeah you could probably find 100k easier there but 100k in San Fran is barely above the poverty line.
Get your first job as a coder: coderfoundry.com/jobroadmap
I'm not in this industry, but all I can say is that this guy makes perfect sense from a professional point of view.
Thanks Guillermo.
This was extremely helpful and straight to the point! Thank you!
You’re welcome C’yanne.
Maybe things have changed, but Recruiters told me that companies don't care what you did in school. They only care what you did in the workplace.
Great video! Another important thing to know is that you should also apply to jobs manually, as well as using a recruiter. Many businesses want to hire without using a recruiter so they can avoid the finders fee, so in some instances that can be an advantage. Do both!
the point of video is to say that recruiters negotiate for you.
@@sppanday_ ok? But my my point is that some businesses do not like using recruiters because they have to pay them a finders fee. So, they will more often give priority to applicants who apply directly as it is cheaper. Do both.
This video is everything! All your advice was on point! I've watched a lot of videos like these and, having been through a bootcamp myself, I feel like you're really getting to the meat of the bones here.
Thanks for watching Kahmila.
How are you doing in your job search?
This video was so helpful and super informative, Thank you!
You're welcome Giselle.
wow so I'm less than %1 of all programmers, everyone has a job but me. Thanks ITT Tech!
how's the job search going?
@@joshtrollston4096 going straight to hell, thanks.
How many interviews have you done? How many applications have you filled out as well? Best of luck
@@Zaph_Kiel any update? Btw what camp did you attend?
@@eddie4249 I didnt go to a coding camp, I have an associates degree from ITT Tech. I actually just started training with Revature, I recommend it.
And that’s why I want into this field. It’s not based on your skin color, personality, etc. It’s a SKILLS based field.
Everyone needs to listen at 22:30. You made such a great point regarding salary!
This some big brother mentorship. Much appreciated!
Finishing my portfolio as we speak. Finished Bootcamp two weeks ago, still have a way to go looking for anything with bootstrap or react native
Keep going! You will make it.
How did it go?
This guy is a straight up hero. Y’all don’t know.
Thanks!
I'm starting coding bootcamp at the end of the month, thank you so much this helpful info.
Awesome. Good luck on your coding journey.
How is your coding bootcamp going now?
Such a great service that you are doing with this videos. Thanks very much!
Your comment on the interviewer not understanding your showcase app is spot on. It seems like HR people have no creativity or flexibility when assessing the capability of people. You can be a full stack developer with a portfolio that has tons of examples of different applications, but lets say that if you dont have a single one that uses React js or uses Angular instead then you probably wont be selected.
I totally agree! Lots of companies are trying to save money. Often times I read jobs ads wanting a Backend Developer, but read further it would be a huge plus if you can do some Frontend as well lol. They’re trying to save money!
Thank you for this video! Its helping me tremendously! Working with a recruiter as we speak!
Awesome. You’re welcome Danielle.
Did you get a job?
Very grateful for your insight and content. Clear and concise. I am starting a bootcamp in the next weeks. I currently work for Hewlett-Packard and have other Global IT companies on my resume. So getting accepted to many BCs, having a hard time deciding. I have been patch coding by Googling for years as part of my job on small internal apps.. Stack Overflow dependent. I want to be in a full stack career, I enjoy learning/ working mainly in React Stacks right now. Does your organization have anything that may fit my criteria?
I only can do part time evenings and weekends.
Right now we are full time only.
Starting bootcamp this Monday and although I’ve watched this, I plan on coming back after. Hopefully i can land a job quickly.
Good Luck Abdifatah.
How're you doing right brother?
@@ridwan3256 hey graduated about 2 weeks ago im gonna start building an issue tracker and I’ll update you!
@@abdifatahosman4966 Make sure you start applying while you do that!
I wish this was recommended to me before, I probably would have found a job and not worked odd jobs for 3 years. Now I have some type of idea. Unfortunately I stopped coding. So now I have to refresh these 4 months on Java, Spring and Angular. Then make better projects.
Good advice! My problem is I have a good job now, but wanting a career change. So I’m not sure how much of a pay cut I’m willing to take for that first job.
In the UK this kind of company is called a "An Agency" they always pay more also. Im currently a bus driver, average hourly pay is £13, because I work through an agency i get £22ph.
thank you this has been invaluable for me. really you have saved me months of waisted time. much appreciated
You are welcome. We are glad it helped.
This is amazing advice! Could you make an updated video? Especially with the current tech industry market..
Thank you for your great tips
This is so well put together on so many levels. Thanks a lot for the info!
Thanks Francisco.
This is a good video. What if your you were in the middle to bottom of your boot camp ? Does the same advice work for them?
yes 100%
Really grateful for this video, thank you! 🙏
You’re welcome Casey.
Inspired hope in me making the career jump as a 50yo from social work to full stack. Thanks so much.
That’s awesome!!! Good luck in your new career.
How is it going now? Gotten a job yet?
@@mamabear3610 nope. unemployed.
@@ixxgxx hopefully you will find one soon. Stay strong
Really well done. Great advice!
Great advice! This is very encouraging.
Great video! Thank you for making it. I am curious what you consider a first job. Like would you want a bootcamp graduate to work at like a digital agency coding websites even though it doesn't really work on the more indepth skills like a web app?
Yes, that would be a job. In general, it gives you a paycheck and experience that can put on your resume. You can use that to jump to the next role.
@@CoderFoundry Thank you for replying!
Thank you for this!!
Thanks for all these great advices!
You're welcome
The camp I went to DID NOT set me up to do well on the technical interview. I had to go back to another IT industry and stop applying for programming jobs... most of these jobs said I need "experience" and said my coding camp "wasn't good enough." Also, it seems I'm age discriminated so they are paying jr. developers peanuts when my recent IT position (not code related) pays 65K+ starting... I get very discouraged and pretty much gave up because I got bills to pay and my coding camp told me that I could find a job within 6 months from completing the course... well... it's 2 years now.. still nothing...had to go back to my other IT job.
That was inspiring. Cheers man!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks Martin.
i'm amazed about your free content i can't imagine how would be to be on your academy ! you are giving me hope that i can get a job with a decent company in Europe or any country where computer engineers has decent salary -in mt country if you get a job with 300 dollars consider yourself to be luck i graduated with master degree in computer science 5 years of programming experience but what you earn from this field as a job is really low , so i'll late you know when i get a job and have salary like 2k dollars lol thanks
This video is golden thanks so much! Does this work well if I’m self taught as long as I can show some projects I’ve done?
💯 Good Luck
Coder Foundry thanks!
Hey Nicole! 🙂
Should have read this right after my Bootcamp, or better, before the bootcamp
I hope it helps. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’m having trouble landing that first job.
June/July was the hardest time in the past few years to get a tech job. There were lots of layoffs at that exact time. Stay with it and you'll get it!
Great Video!
Thanks!
I'm assuming this applies for the mid-level students. The higher end students will be getting 100k+ jobs after bootcamp.
Depends on mutiple factors. 100k out if a bootcamp is not typical
If a job is at 100% employment rate thats a sign that its competitive and job openings are short. Not a good look.
Honest and to the point as always! Do you work with people who haven’t gone to Coder Foundry?
@Coder Foundry
Would you please suggest some recruitment firms by name?
Tech systems and Robert half.
@@CoderFoundry
You mean (www.techsystemsinc.com/employment/) and (www.roberthalf.com/)?
Thank you!
@@yehoshuakahan9336 Yes.
Can I put the "Full Stack Web Dev" before even finishing the bootcamp? (obviously it's a full stack web dev bootcamp)
Which bootcamp
I'm concerned because I'm about to enter coding dojo bottcamp which is 11 grand for 2 stack program. Html, python, css and im wondering of its worth it. Just sounds like a lot for a no guarantee, when u can go to college and get certifications for half the price
The coding bootcamp should be getting you that job.
We try hard to do that but not all bootcamps do that. So we want to give you information that you can use to help with your job search.
I'm going to be doing FullStack Academy bootcamp soon but I live in Canada and not in the US so I will be doing it online, I know they help you get a job but I don't know if they offer the same help to people outside of the US.
That being said, this video taught me about recruiters and I had no clue I could sell myself to recruiters and have them do the job hunting for me while I can just prep for interviews so that's neat as I may be needing that lol.
@@JasonScott1991 I’m about to graduate from Fullstack-they will absolutely help you. A lot of jobs are remote and career services does a lot of work making sure your resume and materials are top notch. The only thing is that the companies on launch day that aren’t looking for remote workers won’t be based on Canada.
Best of luck! I’m going to be a fellow for the 2109 Grace Hopper cohort-I hope I’ll see you around and feel free to message me if you have any questions!
@@JasonScott1991 how did the bootcamp work out for you?
@@TheJlennick how did it work out for you? Job yet? Did you know anything about coding before going to Full stack? Thanks for reply.
I disagree and won’t be taking a low paying job offer after I’m done studying full stack web dev. I know people getting out of boot camps and making 100k.
That is the exception not the rule. You are building a career that leads high paying jobs. The first job gets you into the field and you grow from there.
can my profile picture really affect me getting a freelance or a fulltime job. I am using this current picture.
I noticed the requirement for Bachelors degree have increased on indeed. Is that a growing trend or just temporary thanks 🙏
trying to get my 1st job for about 6 months now still, nothing hope this work.
Did you get one ?
Hi .my son hoppe to coming usa for learing in bootcamp so how he can learning. On line or he muste coming in usa because we leave in algeria noeth of africa please anser me
There should be different options online. Contact schools and ask what they offer
Great content. How can I find those recruiters you mentioned? Any website you can recommend?
It's going to depend on where you are located. You can google for them or look at job postings in your area and see who is posting them.
Why don’t you just mention some names of recruiters that are there in most cities. This will make the search easier
Do you recommend the first offer strategy in any market? I'm moving to NYC soon and worry about taking a job that is too low on salary when I have that high cost of living to worry about.
So if you are making nothing any offer is better. You can always move jobs if you can another offer. Gettung experience is the number one goal.
@@CoderFoundry very true! No point in holding out. Thanks for the reply.
what about heroku apps for links?
Does the recruiting advice work even if you're not finished with the camp? I know a bit of HTML, CSS, and JS and I'm wondering if I can start working in the field if I do enough projects.
It can. It's going to depend on the recruiter. You need to show them enough work that they can sell you into a position. Impress the recruiter and you will be moving along.
@@CoderFoundry Thank you!
From 0 to 6 weeks impossible... Mby if u know algorhitms already. Or know how to code, but not enough to work then yea, sure.
It’s too bad they think 40s/50s is too old to break into coding. I just graduated from boot camp and I did very well on my projects and homework.
We definitely don't think it's too old, but there is an age bias in the industry. You can overcome that with a great portfolio, just like the student in our example. We've seen people in their late 50's break in.
Great video! When it comes to finding recruiters, where do I look to find recruiters?
Google is your friend. Also LinkedIn...search" tech recruiter" or "recruiter" in your area
any thoughts on Revature?
It’s OK. Just understand what you’re signing up for. It’s a long term contact that you need to complete or pay a penalty. It gets a bad wrap from those who sign not understanding exactly what’s involved.
What are some reputable recruiter firms?
Tek systems
@@CoderFoundry Excellent! This video has lots of hard truths but it sorely needed!
Can you recommend a coding bootcamp?
learn.coderfoundry.com/
Don’t they get paid with 20% of your income?
The companies pay the recruiter, not the employee.
Rushes to delete Is Hotdog?
Sorry. Not meant to be a detractor, just honest advice :)
@@CoderFoundry but my Is Hotdog uses machine learning to determine whether the dog is beef, pork, chicken, or mixed mush. I see lots of value there.
Don't know why you ended up ony suggested list. I've been in the industry for over a decade now. My Is Hotdog is polished. Or was that Polish?
Is it possible if I work hard and without any University degree to get a great job for 100k?
It's possible. It generally takes a few years to get there, but I have seen it happen with graduates from our bootcamp.
@@CoderFoundry I wanna join but I Live in Bangladesh
Wow!!! Please make some lives
Which boot camps do you suggest for someone who is doing online
Our bootcamp coder foundry is online.
Dammit Bobby Davis. If it was really easier to interview for a regular office job, I'd get a regular office job! I interviewed for a job and they asked me the following question verbatim, I kid you not. They asked me "Can you please tell me about a time you disagreed with a co-worker?" How in God's name am I supposed to answer a question like that!? Ask me to invert a binary search tree any day! Or whatever! Tech questions can actually be answered!
So how did you answer it? In general they want to know if you can work with others. I would say the goal is for the company to win. I would listen to my coworker and do what is best for the company even if my suggestion is not chosen. Disagreement is ok but listen to both sides and move the company forward.
could this channel be any better? maybe only if did remote training!
It's coming!!
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B..
and...
3 ... ????
LOL
We were going to do 1.2.C, but that's just confusing 😜
3 years for 100k? I know people that start 100k lmao its how hard you work and your portfolio!
We are just giving real advice based on placing people into jobs and what people pay in the industry. We have seen 100k for the first dev job but it is not typical.
Coder Foundry respect respect
Depends on where you live too, if you're in a overpopulated area in California for example yeah you could probably find 100k easier there but 100k in San Fran is barely above the poverty line.
kinda pessimistic video, not helpful
We’ve seen this first hand for years. Not pessimistic. Just truth!!!
great video!
Thanks. Glad it helped.