The high level ideas being explored here, non-Jedi/Sith Force users and the potential to create life with the Force, both come direct from George, and in my experience Star Wars fans have always loved the stories that expand on this sort of stuff (Mortis, Nightsisters, Yoda's last Clone Wars arc, the World Between Worlds, etc.). The fact that so many people online are hating on it for this particular show is very telling.
@@seangargan My theory is that Sol is a Sith Lord in disguise, and the master mind behind all of this. He made a pact with the witch mothers to create powerful dark force user twins. He convinced Indara to check out kids that were already too old and had obvious attachments. He turned the Jedi and the witches against one another, and then eradicated the witches blaming Mae for it. He took Osha as his Padawan. He then became Mae’s Master telling her the Jedi killed her family, so she would seek revenge. Similar to how Palp lured and deceived Anakin for years. How did Sol know that Mae started the fire unless he was already there before the fire? Sol told his Padawan Jecki that he found Osha when he was “stationed” on Brendack. That’s a lie. It was an uninhabited planet outside of the Republic jurisdiction. How did they even know the kids were there? Why were the Jedi only interested in Osha, and not in Mae who appeared more powerful? Sol told Osha he tried to save Mae. Another lie, he arrived after she had already fallen.
Appreciate your logic, respect and patience here, it's refreshing tbh - so many people willing to jump the gun, trash talk anything that doesn't jive with what THEY believe should happen, and all before seeing this season out to its conclusion. Why watch if you're not willing to give it a decent chance? Anyway, I'm just glad I'm subscribed to someone who's willing to critique as well as enjoy things. Great reaction, as always!
I think this was just what OSHA saw. Mae might have set a fire, but those witches were all dead and none of them were burnt. Those Jedis did something and used Mae's fire as an excuse to Osha. I also don't think the fire she set by the door would have caused explosions on the other side of the bridge like that, so I think there is way more to the story
I think each of the girls thinks the other did it. I think someone tricked Osha into seeing Mae threaten her and start the fire. The way she’s seeing visions of Mae in the present.
Thank you for saying that you love hearing about the Force from other people's perspectives. I was just watching another channel that went on a rant to say the Force isn't called the Force anymore and then tore the episode apart. It is still the Force, but some inhabitants of the Star Wars galaxy just have a different name for it.
That's fair. As for the Ep3, I like. A bit slow and Retrual dance could of been better. But still Good. Also I thought the Scen of Osha, and Her Mother was very moving. I'f I wrong, let me know.😁
I mean, other kinds of force users (who will naturally name things differently) have been around since the days of Clone Wars and have made multiple appearances (the most notable example being the Witches of Dathomir with their recurring appearances), so what you're describing is definitely a newbie take.
Andor did something with the indigenous dance that could have been so uncomfortable to watch, especially with what was happening in the heist, but it was so well done. I even had a teary eye. That little song and dance the witches were doing was cringy at least and uncomfortable to watch at best. I still loved the episode, tho. @htruman
I found this episode 3 very sensitive, in finesse, and precise... Deeply balanced ; and the message is powerful, I think. It seeks to explore philosophically beyond the themes of good and/or evil... It provides interesting insights and encourages reflection. In the end, between the two "paths/philosophies", your heart swings... And that's clearly what the writers wanted to achieve with this scenario. A little gem of an episode, imbued with an impactful message that puts each of your eventual beliefs or preferences in complete perspective... #BigPicture *makes me think of the quote " If you wish to see the truth, then hold no opinion for or against."
Thanks for not buying into the hate hype train & going for cheap clickbaity BS faux outrage. I 100% agree there’s nothing lore breaking & I think it’s laughable how ppl are trying to act like this witch coven being centered around women is something wild and woke as if the nightsisters never existed. Definitely some valid criticisms about clunky dialog & acting. Although I think the main mother did a great job. Overall, I enjoyed the episode a lot & can’t wait to find out more of the story from diff POVs.
There are major differences between this coven and nightsisters and their portrayal. And there is lore break. There is no way that the Jedi order would decided to train children that old. The entire point of Anakin's character was that he was too old to be trained. The only reason he was is because Obi-wan said he will leave the order if he has to to train him and he was the literal chosen one. That's one thing. 2nd is the coven. Yes Jedi take the babies. But its never against the will of parents. Its not a literal kidnapping though it can be questionable. Ignoring the fact that the Jedi order would never even consider them as candidates for Jedi, they can just refuse to give children away. Its not a thing that they have different view of that. No. If they do than they say it in their face and the Jedi leave. Its just bad writing here. The series is overhated for sure but its far from being good, although there are some fun things here and there
@@jaychung6622 they were not more lenient. It is a strong custom since the times of Old Republic. I am not talking about legends here but current canon. 100 years in and off itself is very short for a tradition to change, espacialy in times were no new technologial or spiritual renescanse happened. As a proof of that you can point out the fact that Jedi in times prequel trilogy still firmly belived that they are neutral and independent organisantion even though for years they were strong allies of the republic and acted with them or on their command. Entirity of Clone Wars serves as a proof. In Jedi Survivor, the entire backstory of the high republic jedi (forgot the name) is that he wanted to indroduce something new/revolutionary into the order and got refused with no explanation. Mostly because it was a risk that they did not wanted to consider. Exactly the same like training older children. Jedi Order is very adamant about not wanting to take unescesary risks or something out of the ordinary. Qui-Gon highlights this. Anakin's training. The Order's concern about joining Clone Wars (Republic forced them).
@@nightingale8178 my point is that using something from the future to disprove something that happened in the past isn’t really logical. It’s literally backwards. You should be using high republic norms to prove why the Jedi wouldn’t want to train anakin. Which is what I’m saying here. Maybe the Jedi’s experience with osha informed their reluctance to train anakin. Or maybe this is an example of them breaking/bending the rules for osha and how it went wrong, thus, they’re even more convinced older kids shouldn’t be trained by the time of the prequels. In any event, setting this issue aside, it’s hardly a lore breaking event of catastrophic proportions and the “end of Star Wars” like all these doom and gloomers are raving about.
It was explained that her age was a problem but they sol argued for her like obiwan for Ani so I think you can debate a case to train older kids or the rule was more enforced through the years
I think the Jedi showing up at the same time Mae starts the fire leads the coven to believe that the Jedi started the fire to steal the girls. Sol (and maybe Indara) goes and looks for the girls, but Kelnacca and Torbin are back with the coven. We know that Torbin and Kelnacca battle each other, I'm assuming they're possessed by the witches during this. I think that battle either kills a bunch of the witches or ruptures that "superreactor/energy thing", or a combination of both. Either way I think Torbin and Kelnacca come back to, and all they see is Mae and a bunch of dead witches, and they just assume they slaughtered everyone. The guilt and isolation eventually catches up to them both.
Good theory! I also suspect Sith are involved (in the shadows) somehow. "And what happens if the Jedi discover how you created them?" Did Mother Aniseya make a (desperate) deal with Sith to create the twins and continue their coven? Are the Jedi there because the Sith (in a roundabout way) tipped them off to create this conflict? Also, did someone save Mae?
@@bluebaron9392 in one of the promos or trailers it’s shows these Jedi infighting. I’m thinking the witches won’t allow osha to go and use their magic to control the Jedi and make them fight.
@@brettholcomb3763 (gasp) I just went and saw that, yeah! And there’s also a quick shot of young Torbin with someone else, and both of them are on speeders? Dude…..I need the next episode…..
I think the honor of being the bad guy would most likely go to the Master, not the Jedi directly, and that he likely *_did_* manipulate certain events from the shadows, seeing as he was conveniently able to find Mae not too long after this incident/tragedy happened, when Osha wasn't even on the planet to show that her sister was still alive and take her in as her apprentice to train her to become a Sith Acolyte 🤔🤨😓.
The one thing I disagree with in this episode is the subtitle "laughs maniacally." There doesn't seem to be anything maniacal at all. It just seems like a ceremonial cry that's super common in indigenous rituals and prayers.
but it makes them a lot more evil from the view of Osha, which is what this whole episode is, the viewpoint of Osha. I can't wait till we see Mae's view of what happened.
@@darththor3982 I do agree that the episode focused on perspective but as someone that relies on subtitles as an accessibility tool, I don't think that subtitles should necessarily impose an interpretation on the audio.
@@AlexanderWandering Really? What about things like "Ominous music plays"? Sound is big on setting tone and perspective in media, so I'd think having the captions match the creator's intent would be important?
The two quotes I'm thinking about: Palpy: Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life. Mother Koril: "And what happens when the Jedi discover how you created them?" I wonder if we are going to see a second side that implicates the Jedi more, but then see a deeper mystery unraveled that gives a greater perspective and that Sith are manipulating this situation.
I really, really enjoyed this episode. It was powerful and emotional. Seeing the force through the perspective of a new force cult, their culture and beliefs explained, all that…it was so, so cool. Thanks for the reaction!
I'm late here because I'm late getting caught up on the show but I just wanted to say thank you for taking a stance against bad faith criticism and trolling and for inviting actual critique, and for finding things to like even though you had issues with the episode/show. This is one of the reasons I love you and your channel. You're always positive and upbeat, and you don't suffer bullshit. Thank you for making your channel a safe space to discuss Star Wars (because lord knows there aren't many of them).
Just a note, you said hundreds of years before the original series. They said in the first episode text that this all takes place 100 years before the formation of the Empire, so this is appx 85 years before the phantom menace. You're not the only one who I've heard make this mistake, but I wanted to point it out to you.
This is actually incorrect, at the beginning the show is 123 years before TPM stated by director. And this episode is going INTO the past by 16 years so this episode directly is 139 years BEFORE TPM
The thing for me is I don't think mae fully starts the destruction of the temple. What it looks like the jedi slaughter the witches because the witches are conjuring something dark through the twins. Everything we see is through oshas eyes. I think mae was being manipulated. The witches were already dead before the temple was even being destroyed. I didn't really love this episode, not the biggest fan of the assention scene it really creeped me out a bit for sure with them doing it to two little girls wasn't the biggest fan. But I am curious where this story is going so I will keep going with it.
All I’m gonna say is this episode made me very angry & very Team Witch. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the ep, but I’m supremely suspicious. Sol saying, “We don’t take children” also got a big laugh out of me. Even with Mae being understandably upset about Osha leaving, her line, “I’m gonna kill you” was super out of character. And later on when Osha finds her, Mae seems like she’s been looking for Osha & is surprised by the fire. I can only think that the Mae that set the fire might have been a Force illusion, or something similar? The whole coven didn’t just collapse & die from the fire. And the Jedi made zero efforts to save anyone except the girls. Idk if everything was the Jedi, but whatever they did was effed up enough for Master Torbin to swallow poison.
I really appreciate your thoughts on this. It makes me feel better that I am not the only one who enjoys where the story is going and the interesting Threads they have put in. The negativity around star wars gets really heavy.
i am 100% convinced that something else happened in the time after Mae initially lit the book on fire, and after Osha turned to look out the window for help, because when Osha turns back around, THE ENTIRE DOOR is engulfed in flames. i think something else was at play that night other than just the coven and the girls, and the jedi. i'm thinking maybe whoever Mae's masked master is was also there that night and had a hand in the whole thing. that could be way off, but i just don't see Mae lighting that little book on fire leading to the entire place to ignite and collapse and kill all those witches all at once (with no real visible wounds in the small screentime they had, that i noticed), and i also don't believe for a second the jedi intentionally burned the place to the ground just to get the girls. there's something more going on that they're still not showing us. this is a pretty fun mystery all in all, imho. no clue why people were hyping this episode up as the final nail in the coffin that would "ruin star wars forever" lmfao
I think it's really telling of the Jedi way of seeing things that we see Sol, arguably the one who embodies the ideals of the Jedi the best in the show, say, "the Jedi saw how special I was." Despite his idealism and humility, Sol still sees himself, and by extension the Jedi, as something more than others
We saw Mae burn her book. We heard the lantern fall, but I don't think she burned down the fortress. The coven's death didn't appear to be from burns or crush damage. That's suspicious. There's more to discover here beyond Osha's perspective.
For me it just a perspective. And i am not convinced, 1. Who tell this story?? The jedi ways or the sith or witches which one is good or bad or in between?? 2.who actually telling the truth?, yes we established that mae lie and osha not, but is it? On the bridge osha ask what mae did, and my understanding mae ask osha back" no, what did you do?" 3. Sol explained mae start the fire and destroy everything and everyone. How does he know?, oh right he's a jedi, they can see the future past and present. Hurm.... again not convinced.But i am not going to lie, i can't wait for the next episode i am hooked by this mystery. Just hope it doesn't flop in the face .
Thank you for your response / reaction. I see some thumbnails (on people i dont subscribe to) who say saying its a horrible show. Acolyte is a new story about something that relates to all of Star Wars lore in my mind. You really had a great reaction and analysis on the fly! Can't wait to continue to watch the series and your reactions too! Thanks!
Omni, as always, thank you for finding positive things to say. Ofc it isn't perfect, no SW show is or ever can be. But I appreciate your positivity so much. ♥
@@htruman I think the honor of being the bad guy would most likely go to the Master, seeing as he was conveniently able to find Mae not too long after this incident/tragedy happened, when Osha wasn't even on the planet to show that her sister was still alive and take her in as her apprentice to train her to become a Sith Acolyte 🤔🤨😓.
This view of The Force is, I think, influenced by a Star Trek Next Generation episode, "Tapestry", even if not intentionally. Spoiler alert (if you haven't seen that episode, I highly recommend it): Captain Picard is on death's door, and Q gives him a chance to alter his own past. But by doing so..... he unravels the tapestry of his life's events. That is what I believe the one Mother is trying to tell the twins. Pull on one string, and it changes everything in your life's path. Personally, given the chance, I don't think I would change anything I've done. Every decision I have made, right or wrong, has led me to where I am now, and I'm in a pretty good place. I have a wonderful wife, a step-son I'm very proud of, a roof over my head, food for my stomach, and a bunch of animals that love me.
@@christopherstanfield1558 yeah I never get bent out of shape of people hating what I like....but I've unfortunately seen twitter and fb posts all morning about the episode being the worst. I just liked that it made me see the Jedi in a different light. It made me think that maybe they killed all the witches.
@@smokeem15yep. It definitely was a fascinating approach. And as for the hate, I honestly think the ones deeply invested in posting their thoughts about it online were determined to simply not like it from the start. Their mind was made up before it aired. Just move on to something else if ya hate it that bad. 🤣 There’s plenty of stories out there.
@@christopherstanfield1558 that's what I say too. I wasn't into Visions so I didn't watch it. I didn't go on to anyone's UA-cam or social posts to say I didn't like and they shouldn't either. 😂 I love Andor and when id say that, id always get people telling me that it's dumb and it's not Star Wars at all so why watch it. People crack me up. Lol
I mean, when you have interracial queer people, of course the toxic Star Wars fans will come out but I think this episode did a great job at nuance. There's no clear good or bad- just people in different groups with different notions and beliefs who make both good and bad choices in how they interact.
Sorry to say this but, May actually did kill them all. I believe somehow, she used the Bunta poison on them all. That's why she came in and said to Osha, " you can't leave now, we're stuck here forever". They were already dead before the fire.
I love how you are critical but at the same time you're giving it a chance. So many people have said this show is garbage without giving it a far chance. This is definitely the weakest of the 3 episodes. Pacing and dialogue felt off compared to the first 2 which had decent dialogue with a few iffy lines. I'll give the kids some slack but still. Clearly something else caused everything to happen other than Mae. I don't see how she did all that by herself, including killing the people she loved. I think the Jedi and those witches got into some kind of altercations which lead to everything going to shit, and they used Mae as a cover up. Looking at Turbon in the background at the end, he's got a fresh scar when he didn't before, so something must have happened. I get why people are pissed about that one specific thing but its not even lore breaking because we DON'T KNOW what they did to create the twins. Lee Jung-jae still giving it his all. Can't wait until the next episode.
Yeah I really don’t understand why people think this episode destroyed Star Wars. I really liked it and I can understand people don’t like the dialogue and stuff, but come on it didn’t destroy Star Wars.
I've been saying for years "the chosen one" is probably a cyclical prophecy. The galaxy goes through cycles of imbalance and new chosen ones rise to right the balance for a while
Part of me thinks that wasn’t Mae who said “ I’ll kill you.” But whoever is putting Mae in her head in the modern day. And possibly the same for Mae. That could be why they were both like; What have you done? To eachother.
Mae went off with Mother Koril before showing up to challenge Osha; I think she was being mind-controlled by Mother Koril; she actually looked possessed as she looked at the fire
I really liked this episode and the mystery it’s building. I think both Mother Koril and Sol acted very suspiciously. Maybe Koril possessed Mae or a Jedi to attack first so that the other witches would fight back. How did Sol know it was Mae who started the fire unless he was already there before the fire? Why not return to the planet to see if anyone survived? It depicts the Jedi as manipulative and oppressive when they show up armed and pressure families to give up their kids. Why did they delete the fact that Osha had a sister in her file? Were the Jedi trying to cover up their killings and blamed Mae for it? Why did Mae say to Osha “what did you do?” as though she didn’t know what happened?
Sol is the highlight for me. The way I always understood the force was the way Yoda described it. And the force cannot create life, because life creates the force. What comes first, the chicken or the egg kinda thing I guess. But they’re also witches, so I guess it makes sense for them to be able to manipulate the force. The Acolyte has just gotten a little to fan fictiony feel for me to keep going. I wish the mystery was a bit more interesting too.
So Mae tried to kill Osha but how would she destroy the whole place? Plus the injuries on the Jedi. Considering the revelation about how Mother Anisheya used the Force to make Mother Koril pregnant with the twins i suspect some Sith fuckery happened in the place to pit the Jedi against the Witches coven. Hence why Torbin felt so guilty that he killed himself and Kelnacca became a hermit. Guess we will have another flashback. Perhaps showing things from Sol's point of view or maybe even from the Sith's.
The clunkiness could be a bit on purpose. This is the view from Osha as a child. Screen crush did a great breakdown. I’m not too familiar with the EU, never read any books or comics but I have read up on some lore, it’s really interesting to me.
I just started checking out reactions and yours is the first one for ep3 but I'm enjoying all of it. I am new to lore and all but I'm enjoying your explanation here. It of course would be could if or when the show also dives in to lore. it all sounds quite amazing
Your reaction and comments on this episode were so thoughtful and balanced. It's classic Rashomon storytelling like we saw in The Last Jedi and made famous by Akira Kurosawa. We haven't seen the whole picture yet but I'm enjoying the journey getting there.
I have always asked if Plagueis could "create" life, is it possible for Anakin to have "ended" Padme's life when he force grabbed her in RofS. The droids answer "she has lost the will to live" never worked for me, but if unconsciously Anakin's hate towards Padme that moment was so intense, her body just began to shut down cell by cell.
I wonder if in part he learned that trough Mae. My hypostasis Plagus was a Moon and as far as I can find they tend to a have a life span over 100 years, so could be alive at this time. Plagus has his apprentice string Mea along to discover the secret of how she was created. After discovering the secret Plagus kills his current apprentice so he is the only one who knows the secret. Then recruits sidious Sidious. as his new apprentice. Extended universe said Plagueis attempted to forge a Force dyad with Sidious and that this failed. Plagues creates life Anakin hoping this will make him more compatible for making Force dyad. Plaues gets killed by Sidious
“If your comments include the word woke, they get deleted.” Thank you for saying that! I’m getting sick of the conspiracy theorists who decided they will hate the show after the first trailer got out.
This is a good episode ❤, but there is definitely more to this story!!! Those four Jedi must done something to feel guilty, hope we get more answers. Love how attached sol is to osha straight away!!
The showrunner said this season was like the movie Rashomon. Rashomon is all about seeing Truth from different people's persectives. We should see the same event from other perspectives in the future and find out what really happened.
I wont use the word... but you cant just handwave criticism based on an obvious agenda proudly vocalized by many tiers of leadership in the disney star wars era. They are obviously intentionally antagonizing the existing fan base, dismissing those criticisms outright just makes you a pawn in their gambit. That being said... i feel like you're holding back criticism on this one. I saw how many times you had a WTF face. I've seen you be far more harsh about CW content... I don't generally watch you react to things i don't enjoy... I made an exception this time because i saw clips of this vid in another video. This show is poorly written and I've given it my usual three episodes... its a shame the third was the worst by far. I was excited when Kotor 2 was being touted as an inspiration for the philosophy of this series... but the execution is terrible so far, and the only thing I can see being pulled from either Kotor is "peace is a lie". If star wars fans, which i don't really consider myself (last jedi is the best sw movie imo), think this story is THAT WORD... they should be thankful they dont have to stomach ideologically inconsistent garbage statments like "a male *presenting* time lord wouldn't understand"... yet anyway.
@Omn1Media I completely agree this show has potential, but they've lost me on the week to week watch. I hope this is an unreliable narrator situation, and somehow a stone fortress burning down and killing everyone makes sense, for example. I firmly believe that if a normal exists, it encompasses the entire spectrum regardless of category. However, the behavior of those in charge has been exclusionary and antagonistic going all the way back to those "force is female" shirts. It didn't say the "force is everyone"... the hypocrisy of calling yourself inclusive while attacking, belittling, and replacing those that don't fit in an exclusive category is what I associate with that word... and I never want to be that. If you want to ally yourself with that kind of behavior and dismiss criticisms en masse and not address them directly... yeah, that's just playing into their narrative that only bigots don't like this stuff because they think it's that word... and it does make you a pawn. I hate to see it because I actually respect your opinion...
@stephenoliveau You're twisting the meaning of the word like everyone that misuses it which is one of the many reasons I ignore it. Your statement "I firmly believe that if a normal exists, it encompasses the entire spectrum regardless of category" is woke. I've never once been upset by any of these things because why would I be. The Force is Female thing is silly to get upset about because 1, those shirts weren't even Star Wars related to begin with, and when KK wore them it was for a film festival for future female directors. Women impowering women in a space that is male dominated through something that they share or a connection that can be made is great. No one is kicking men out of the space or banning them or saying they aren't welcome. If that were the case, sure I'd be upset. And in what way does anything I've said support the "only bigots don't like this stuff" narrative. That's never been something I've said or even implied at all. The comments I'm ignoring are specifically racist, homophobic, and bigoted comments because they are NOT criticism. The writing's bad, the dialogue is stilted, the CGI was rough, these performances are stiff, it didn't work for me, the editing was jarring, the pacing was off or too slow, those are things I will listen to. Being mad that there aren't enough white men, in a space that is oversaturated with white men is ridiculous. Being mad that two women gently touched faces, fuck off. Being mad the lead is black or Asian or whatever, fuck off. Telling me that I'm a pawn because I won't listen to racists and homophobes... that's something. I don't need nor want your respect if you are defending these people while I'm defending criticism itself.
5:01 This moment has me suspicious. I didn’t think much of it the first time around but having watched a couple reactions now, there’s this unknown disturbance and then we don’t see anything come of it. Whether this disturbance is because of the Jedi or potentially someone else, we don’t know. But I think it may explain the larger disaster that occurs. Will be very interested to see what reveals we get in later episodes.
Gotta admit, as a dancer, that "choreography" at the start of their little ceremony kinda broke my brain... And yeah, clunky is a good word - I know they're going for Rashomon (and there'll be more) but odd, weird, confusing, and strangely nonsensical are not the qualities you need when telling such a story. Here's hoping it was an aberration and the writing goes back to being a little clearer...
😮 I have this odd feeling that mae because she is stronger in the force that somebody in the coven has been indoctrinating her heavier into not wanting to leave and not as much at OSHA
Yoooooooo, I’m detecting some maul-ness representation here with Jecki and the Mother that carried the twins. The horns don’t lie. I have some curious questions.
I feel like the same experiment as Darth Plagues did to create Anakin, also happened to OSHA & Mae. Also OSHA was like a hypocrite when Mae use the force to hold that insect. And the lesbian card in this episode. And Mae being a spoil kid tortes her sister.
The jedi are definitely more involved in the destruction/massacre than what was shown here. The level of guilt Torbin bore for all those years cannot be justified by the jedi simply being bystanders in this. I suspect Mae was set up. Yes, she started the fire, but that couldn't have caused that level of death and destruction.
All those people so butt-hurt that Anakin is no longer the ONLY immaculate conception in the SW galaxy make me smh. I remember when TPM came out that Anakin's virginal conception was widely derided as ridiculous and most fans couldn't believe George had done that. NOW, however, you have people losing their minds because if there were other Force-IVF births before Anakin, then he's no longer "special." So the discourse now is "How dare this gay woman take that away from him!" I've tried reasoning with them that it doesn't take away from his legacy as the Chosen One, the child of the prophecy. But it doesn't work. They are stuck on the idea that what made his birth special was that his was the _only_ one where there was no father. They argue that Anakin was Christ-like because the Powers That Be created him the same way God supposedly created Christ. What EVERYONE forgets is that the story of the virgin birth was not new at the time of Christ. Millennia before Christ was supposedly born to a virgin, the mythical Egyptian god Horus was born to the virgin Isis. Krishna, the Hindu god, was also born of a holy virgin. Both Jesus and Krishna are held to be god incarnate by two religions. Alexander, the Ptolemies, and the Caesars were said by some scholars to have been "virgin-born." Alexander the Great, " journeyed to the Oasis of Amon in order that he might be recognized as the god's son and thus become a legitimate and recognized king of Egypt. And on and on and on, and in each case these figures were central to their religions. Idk why people are so upset; the writer's room consists of an OT fan, a prequels fan, a sequels fan, and someone who has no past experience with SW so they can say, "Idk what you meant by that reference, so you might have to explain it for new fans." (i.e., those who started with the High Republic era figuring that would be an easier entry point.) I'm sure that if the prequel fan found it in some cheapens Anakin's character to no longer have him be the ONLY virgin birth in the galaxy, I'm SURE they would have said so. Everyone is acting like Headland isn't a fan and that she wants to piss everyone off instead of giving them more SW content to love, and part of me thinks the backlash is because she is a woman and gay, and part of me thinks the fanbase has just become so damn toxic. They bullied 9-year-old Jake Lloyd out of acting, blaming him for everything they didn't like about his performance instead of blaming the fact that he was, I'm sorry to say it, stuck with a bad director. I love George Lucas, he creates great stories and settings, but EVERYONE has talked extensively about the fact he isn't a good director, and he KNOWS that, which is why he _didn't_ want to direct the prequels (but he couldn't get Spielberg and no one else wanted to take it on). They bullied poor Ahmad Best for following the little bit of direction he was given, and turned his dream of acting in Star Wars into a nightmare that made him consider suicide. Kelly Marie Tran endured such intense racist and sexist trolling that she "closed up shop" and got off of ALL social media and stayed away from acting. I swear, the next thing that gets released, LFL should keep all the BTS details under wraps; no one gets to know who the director/showrunner/writers are, who is producing it, not even who is starring in it. No media blitz beforehand, don't say a damn word about who is working on it until after the first episode has dropped. Suffocate everyone's pre-conceived notions beforehand so they can't do anything but just watch and judge it on its face instead of starting out with the idea there is a "woke agenda" behind it and then purposely looking for examples to back up their theories.
I hate to disagree, but I thought this was the strongest episode of the three. I enjoyed it and although we learned some things, there is still a mystery.
😮 I have questions. I watch a lot of reactions to the show so it gets my mind going so I will ask you Omni this question. if we are to assume that the twins have equal control over the force, is the imbalance between the two because osha does not want to use it and if that’s the case, why haven’t the mothers noticed this until now instead of while they were growing up 😊
I think the twins were created as representing the light and the dark forces. Osha is reluctant to use dark forces among witches, but she is attracted to life and willing to leave her family behind to be a Jedi. Like Obiwan, something in her conscience is blocking her from using the Force. Maybe she regrets breaking her promise to her sister. She still has nightmares. We saw that with Sabine and Din Djarin too. You can’t use the force when your mind is too obstructed by fear, guilt, anger, or attachments. The light side of the Force I mean.
It amazes me the difference in comments from this reaction to SWT. SWT and his groupies all wanted something to hate about this show and this episode gave it to them. He very quickly dismissed that The Thread is just this Coven's "certain point of view," and instead decided that he and his groupies should be aggrieved at the abomination of The Thread "replacing" The Force and George's concept of it. The explanation of "The Thread" theory was over in seconds, and the entire Coven was wiped out by the end of the episode. It's not a "replacement."
Sith and Jedi are a "cult" of the Force. They call it "Force" and other cults call it different. It's the same thing just with different names. Star Wars is based in a massive universe and it's ridiculous to think that the "force" would be called exactly the same everywhere. We are one planet and we have different names for same beliefs. Imagine a galaxy. It baffles me how people are getting so mad for this. The rigidity and herd following mentality is astounding.
Too many cringe moments with bad dialogue, completely broke immersion for me. Noticed it slightly in first 2 episodes but this was way worse. Plot leaps and contradictions can only be fixed by counter perspectives but even if this is the case it's poorly executed regardless. I've just finished watching Andor again and the contrast in writing, dialoque, character development and story telling is world's apart, andor has strong female characters, diversity and lesbianism and is a masterpiece imo. This is just poor, agenda or not
To each their own dude. I enjoyed it. Many did too. I do agree that the dialogue is clunky. I feel like the writers are talented, and actors are too but they were held back by the producers. At least that's my opinion on the matter
@PaperReaper genuinely happy for anyone that enjoyed it. I don't subscribe to the idea that it's broken star wars but it's not an enjoyable watch for me mainly due to the dialogue and plot contradictions and for that I can totally see why it's getting so much hate from an "artform" perspective. The writers comments in defence of it have just further alienated a large portion of the fanbase. Seemingly I'm a bigoted misogynist if I don't like it according to the writer. First 2 episodes I thought were better than this but it's all coming off as low rent for such a big budget production imo.
😮 oooh I think I got the breakdown in my head for the episodes. See if this makes sense episode one and two we established the characters. Episode 3,4 and 5 will be from POV of Osha, Mae then the Jedi. then the last three episodes will finish the story, including showing what actually really happened at the temple
👩🏾💻👩🏾💻Your criticism of the episode was warranted, I did love the fact you said this doesn't go against lore at all. I hate that some fans won't give it a chance. I can empathize with them for the most part Disney broke trust with SW fans in a lot of ways, however everything that's been put out isn't trash. One of the things I loved in Legends was Jasen Solo going to all these different planets and learning from different Force users it was so interesting seeing the Force through others belief systems. Anyway, that's my 2 cents! Thanks for being open to knew things being shown in SW🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
😮 follow up. Unless because of episode three, which was very long, they decided to split the other two POV’s in one episode instead of telling a whole complete story again I don’t know.😊
they need to show Mae and the Jedi's point of view. I struggled with the dialogue and I thought Sol came off a little creepy following the girls around. Was Mother Korral's body with the witches? I wonder if she is the Sith lord manipulating Mae and she took out the witches (setting up the Jedi from Mae's point of view).
We will see this story 2 more times I believe in mae prospective and in the 4 jedis prospective in my opinion. This episode was only in osha prospective. May the force be with you!😂😂
First two episodes were just boring. This episode was just bad. All of them have stupid general mistakes and plenty of lore mistakes. I barely care, but I am curious about how people manage to consume media with no consideration for any of these factors. If you actually care, then shouldn't these things matter to you?
I wish I could see this series through your eyes (and Ive been a SW since 1977) but it just keeps getting worse IMO. *the LucasFilm story group confirmed Palpatine did not have a hand in Anakin’s creation, despite the related comic book storyline
My theory is that Sol is a Sith Lord pretending to be a good Jedi. He made a pact with Mother Aniseya to create 2 powerful force user kids. Later, he went there with his Jedi friends saying the witches trained kids. He eradicated the whole tribe. Manipulated Osha to become his Palawan, and controlled Mae into killing Jedi today.
I like your appraoch of both girls being the embodiment of the balance of the firce but split in two As to rhe fire... I did not see the withches burnt... Sooo.... The Jedi definitely had a hand in that... They might have some "justifying" reason (to an extent) but here I am, in doubt...
The toxic Star Wars fans bitching at the dumbest shit that has no real effect at all. It's embarrassing. Not surprising, seeing that they have been around since the prequel trilogy. Now they blame Disney. Nitpicking at the dumbest shit
It was bad because the writing was bad. Pure and simple. It’s not a bad show. It’s not destroying Star Wars. But when I hear 180m budget, I expect game of thrones level production. This is not it.
The high level ideas being explored here, non-Jedi/Sith Force users and the potential to create life with the Force, both come direct from George, and in my experience Star Wars fans have always loved the stories that expand on this sort of stuff (Mortis, Nightsisters, Yoda's last Clone Wars arc, the World Between Worlds, etc.). The fact that so many people online are hating on it for this particular show is very telling.
Sol’s performance in this is the highlight for me easily.
My theory is that Sol is the real villain of this story.
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@@seangargan My theory is that Sol is a Sith Lord in disguise, and the master mind behind all of this. He made a pact with the witch mothers to create powerful dark force user twins. He convinced Indara to check out kids that were already too old and had obvious attachments. He turned the Jedi and the witches against one another, and then eradicated the witches blaming Mae for it. He took Osha as his Padawan. He then became Mae’s Master telling her the Jedi killed her family, so she would seek revenge. Similar to how Palp lured and deceived Anakin for years. How did Sol know that Mae started the fire unless he was already there before the fire? Sol told his Padawan Jecki that he found Osha when he was “stationed” on Brendack. That’s a lie. It was an uninhabited planet outside of the Republic jurisdiction. How did they even know the kids were there? Why were the Jedi only interested in Osha, and not in Mae who appeared more powerful? Sol told Osha he tried to save Mae. Another lie, he arrived after she had already fallen.
Appreciate your logic, respect and patience here, it's refreshing tbh - so many people willing to jump the gun, trash talk anything that doesn't jive with what THEY believe should happen, and all before seeing this season out to its conclusion. Why watch if you're not willing to give it a decent chance? Anyway, I'm just glad I'm subscribed to someone who's willing to critique as well as enjoy things. Great reaction, as always!
I think this was just what OSHA saw. Mae might have set a fire, but those witches were all dead and none of them were burnt. Those Jedis did something and used Mae's fire as an excuse to Osha. I also don't think the fire she set by the door would have caused explosions on the other side of the bridge like that, so I think there is way more to the story
I think each of the girls thinks the other did it. I think someone tricked Osha into seeing Mae threaten her and start the fire. The way she’s seeing visions of Mae in the present.
Thank you for saying that you love hearing about the Force from other people's perspectives. I was just watching another channel that went on a rant to say the Force isn't called the Force anymore and then tore the episode apart. It is still the Force, but some inhabitants of the Star Wars galaxy just have a different name for it.
They must not know anything outside the jedi/sith then if they had that complaint lol
That's fair. As for the Ep3, I like. A bit slow and Retrual dance could of been better. But still Good. Also I thought the Scen of Osha, and Her Mother was very moving. I'f I wrong, let me know.😁
I mean, other kinds of force users (who will naturally name things differently) have been around since the days of Clone Wars and have made multiple appearances (the most notable example being the Witches of Dathomir with their recurring appearances), so what you're describing is definitely a newbie take.
Andor did something with the indigenous dance that could have been so uncomfortable to watch, especially with what was happening in the heist, but it was so well done. I even had a teary eye.
That little song and dance the witches were doing was cringy at least and uncomfortable to watch at best.
I still loved the episode, tho. @htruman
@@Phizzo4real Cool.
I found this episode 3 very sensitive, in finesse, and precise... Deeply balanced ; and the message is powerful, I think.
It seeks to explore philosophically beyond the themes of good and/or evil... It provides interesting insights and encourages reflection.
In the end, between the two "paths/philosophies", your heart swings... And that's clearly what the writers wanted to achieve with this scenario. A little gem of an episode, imbued with an impactful message that puts each of your eventual beliefs or preferences in complete perspective...
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*makes me think of the quote " If you wish to see the truth, then hold no opinion for or against."
Thanks for not buying into the hate hype train & going for cheap clickbaity BS faux outrage. I 100% agree there’s nothing lore breaking & I think it’s laughable how ppl are trying to act like this witch coven being centered around women is something wild and woke as if the nightsisters never existed.
Definitely some valid criticisms about clunky dialog & acting. Although I think the main mother did a great job. Overall, I enjoyed the episode a lot & can’t wait to find out more of the story from diff POVs.
There are major differences between this coven and nightsisters and their portrayal. And there is lore break. There is no way that the Jedi order would decided to train children that old. The entire point of Anakin's character was that he was too old to be trained. The only reason he was is because Obi-wan said he will leave the order if he has to to train him and he was the literal chosen one. That's one thing.
2nd is the coven. Yes Jedi take the babies. But its never against the will of parents. Its not a literal kidnapping though it can be questionable. Ignoring the fact that the Jedi order would never even consider them as candidates for Jedi, they can just refuse to give children away. Its not a thing that they have different view of that. No. If they do than they say it in their face and the Jedi leave. Its just bad writing here.
The series is overhated for sure but its far from being good, although there are some fun things here and there
@@jaychung6622 they were not more lenient. It is a strong custom since the times of Old Republic. I am not talking about legends here but current canon.
100 years in and off itself is very short for a tradition to change, espacialy in times were no new technologial or spiritual renescanse happened. As a proof of that you can point out the fact that Jedi in times prequel trilogy still firmly belived that they are neutral and independent organisantion even though for years they were strong allies of the republic and acted with them or on their command. Entirity of Clone Wars serves as a proof.
In Jedi Survivor, the entire backstory of the high republic jedi (forgot the name) is that he wanted to indroduce something new/revolutionary into the order and got refused with no explanation. Mostly because it was a risk that they did not wanted to consider. Exactly the same like training older children.
Jedi Order is very adamant about not wanting to take unescesary risks or something out of the ordinary. Qui-Gon highlights this. Anakin's training. The Order's concern about joining Clone Wars (Republic forced them).
@@nightingale8178 my point is that using something from the future to disprove something that happened in the past isn’t really logical. It’s literally backwards. You should be using high republic norms to prove why the Jedi wouldn’t want to train anakin. Which is what I’m saying here. Maybe the Jedi’s experience with osha informed their reluctance to train anakin. Or maybe this is an example of them breaking/bending the rules for osha and how it went wrong, thus, they’re even more convinced older kids shouldn’t be trained by the time of the prequels.
In any event, setting this issue aside, it’s hardly a lore breaking event of catastrophic proportions and the “end of Star Wars” like all these doom and gloomers are raving about.
It was explained that her age was a problem but they sol argued for her like obiwan for Ani so I think you can debate a case to train older kids or the rule was more enforced through the years
I think the Jedi showing up at the same time Mae starts the fire leads the coven to believe that the Jedi started the fire to steal the girls. Sol (and maybe Indara) goes and looks for the girls, but Kelnacca and Torbin are back with the coven. We know that Torbin and Kelnacca battle each other, I'm assuming they're possessed by the witches during this. I think that battle either kills a bunch of the witches or ruptures that "superreactor/energy thing", or a combination of both. Either way I think Torbin and Kelnacca come back to, and all they see is Mae and a bunch of dead witches, and they just assume they slaughtered everyone. The guilt and isolation eventually catches up to them both.
Good theory! I also suspect Sith are involved (in the shadows) somehow. "And what happens if the Jedi discover how you created them?" Did Mother Aniseya make a (desperate) deal with Sith to create the twins and continue their coven? Are the Jedi there because the Sith (in a roundabout way) tipped them off to create this conflict? Also, did someone save Mae?
Wait, when was it shown that Torbin and Kelnacca have a fight?
@@bluebaron9392 in one of the promos or trailers it’s shows these Jedi infighting. I’m thinking the witches won’t allow osha to go and use their magic to control the Jedi and make them fight.
@@brettholcomb3763 (gasp) I just went and saw that, yeah! And there’s also a quick shot of young Torbin with someone else, and both of them are on speeders? Dude…..I need the next episode…..
I think the honor of being the bad guy would most likely go to the Master, not the Jedi directly, and that he likely *_did_* manipulate certain events from the shadows, seeing as he was conveniently able to find Mae not too long after this incident/tragedy happened, when Osha wasn't even on the planet to show that her sister was still alive and take her in as her apprentice to train her to become a Sith Acolyte 🤔🤨😓.
The one thing I disagree with in this episode is the subtitle "laughs maniacally." There doesn't seem to be anything maniacal at all. It just seems like a ceremonial cry that's super common in indigenous rituals and prayers.
but it makes them a lot more evil from the view of Osha, which is what this whole episode is, the viewpoint of Osha. I can't wait till we see Mae's view of what happened.
@@darththor3982 I do agree that the episode focused on perspective but as someone that relies on subtitles as an accessibility tool, I don't think that subtitles should necessarily impose an interpretation on the audio.
😂the power of mannnyyy 😂
@@AlexanderWandering Really? What about things like "Ominous music plays"? Sound is big on setting tone and perspective in media, so I'd think having the captions match the creator's intent would be important?
@yuukinoyuki9064 Yes, but that's what I'm saying- the subtitles need to match the audio and it just feels like they don't in this scene.
The two quotes I'm thinking about:
Palpy: Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life.
Mother Koril: "And what happens when the Jedi discover how you created them?"
I wonder if we are going to see a second side that implicates the Jedi more, but then see a deeper mystery unraveled that gives a greater perspective and that Sith are manipulating this situation.
My guess would be that the Sith are now only helping Mae to discover that secret of how to create life.
So Mae is how Plagus discovered that power.
I really, really enjoyed this episode. It was powerful and emotional. Seeing the force through the perspective of a new force cult, their culture and beliefs explained, all that…it was so, so cool. Thanks for the reaction!
I'm late here because I'm late getting caught up on the show but I just wanted to say thank you for taking a stance against bad faith criticism and trolling and for inviting actual critique, and for finding things to like even though you had issues with the episode/show. This is one of the reasons I love you and your channel. You're always positive and upbeat, and you don't suffer bullshit. Thank you for making your channel a safe space to discuss Star Wars (because lord knows there aren't many of them).
Just a note, you said hundreds of years before the original series. They said in the first episode text that this all takes place 100 years before the formation of the Empire, so this is appx 85 years before the phantom menace. You're not the only one who I've heard make this mistake, but I wanted to point it out to you.
This is actually incorrect, at the beginning the show is 123 years before TPM stated by director. And this episode is going INTO the past by 16 years so this episode directly is 139 years BEFORE TPM
The thing for me is I don't think mae fully starts the destruction of the temple. What it looks like the jedi slaughter the witches because the witches are conjuring something dark through the twins. Everything we see is through oshas eyes. I think mae was being manipulated. The witches were already dead before the temple was even being destroyed. I didn't really love this episode, not the biggest fan of the assention scene it really creeped me out a bit for sure with them doing it to two little girls wasn't the biggest fan. But I am curious where this story is going so I will keep going with it.
All I’m gonna say is this episode made me very angry & very Team Witch. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the ep, but I’m supremely suspicious.
Sol saying, “We don’t take children” also got a big laugh out of me.
Even with Mae being understandably upset about Osha leaving, her line, “I’m gonna kill you” was super out of character. And later on when Osha finds her, Mae seems like she’s been looking for Osha & is surprised by the fire. I can only think that the Mae that set the fire might have been a Force illusion, or something similar? The whole coven didn’t just collapse & die from the fire. And the Jedi made zero efforts to save anyone except the girls.
Idk if everything was the Jedi, but whatever they did was effed up enough for Master Torbin to swallow poison.
I really appreciate your thoughts on this. It makes me feel better that I am not the only one who enjoys where the story is going and the interesting Threads they have put in. The negativity around star wars gets really heavy.
i am 100% convinced that something else happened in the time after Mae initially lit the book on fire, and after Osha turned to look out the window for help, because when Osha turns back around, THE ENTIRE DOOR is engulfed in flames. i think something else was at play that night other than just the coven and the girls, and the jedi. i'm thinking maybe whoever Mae's masked master is was also there that night and had a hand in the whole thing. that could be way off, but i just don't see Mae lighting that little book on fire leading to the entire place to ignite and collapse and kill all those witches all at once (with no real visible wounds in the small screentime they had, that i noticed), and i also don't believe for a second the jedi intentionally burned the place to the ground just to get the girls. there's something more going on that they're still not showing us. this is a pretty fun mystery all in all, imho. no clue why people were hyping this episode up as the final nail in the coffin that would "ruin star wars forever" lmfao
I think it's really telling of the Jedi way of seeing things that we see Sol, arguably the one who embodies the ideals of the Jedi the best in the show, say, "the Jedi saw how special I was." Despite his idealism and humility, Sol still sees himself, and by extension the Jedi, as something more than others
We saw Mae burn her book. We heard the lantern fall, but I don't think she burned down the fortress.
The coven's death didn't appear to be from burns or crush damage. That's suspicious. There's more to discover here beyond Osha's perspective.
I have a theory that it was Mae that killed the Coven. When she realised that Osha was going to leave, Mae just snapped.
For me it just a perspective. And i am not convinced, 1. Who tell this story?? The jedi ways or the sith or witches which one is good or bad or in between?? 2.who actually telling the truth?, yes we established that mae lie and osha not, but is it? On the bridge osha ask what mae did, and my understanding mae ask osha back" no, what did you do?" 3. Sol explained mae start the fire and destroy everything and everyone. How does he know?, oh right he's a jedi, they can see the future past and present. Hurm.... again not convinced.But i am not going to lie, i can't wait for the next episode i am hooked by this mystery. Just hope it doesn't flop in the face .
You "really enjoyed what the episode was Trying to do"....i guess they tried and "that is why they failed"
Thank you for your response / reaction. I see some thumbnails (on people i dont subscribe to) who say saying its a horrible show.
Acolyte is a new story about something that relates to all of Star Wars lore in my mind.
You really had a great reaction and analysis on the fly! Can't wait to continue to watch the series and your reactions too! Thanks!
The amount of "woke" criticism against this show makes me so frustrated lol. Thanks for being honest but still following the story as it unfolds.
Omni, as always, thank you for finding positive things to say. Ofc it isn't perfect, no SW show is or ever can be. But I appreciate your positivity so much. ♥
It’s really cool because the red and blue outlines in the eclipse are the same red and blue outlines in the acolyte title logo!
I can really clearly see the qui gon jinn inspiration for sol in this and I love it
I just hope he's not the Bad guy.
@@htruman I think the honor of being the bad guy would most likely go to the Master, seeing as he was conveniently able to find Mae not too long after this incident/tragedy happened, when Osha wasn't even on the planet to show that her sister was still alive and take her in as her apprentice to train her to become a Sith Acolyte 🤔🤨😓.
This view of The Force is, I think, influenced by a Star Trek Next Generation episode, "Tapestry", even if not intentionally. Spoiler alert (if you haven't seen that episode, I highly recommend it): Captain Picard is on death's door, and Q gives him a chance to alter his own past. But by doing so..... he unravels the tapestry of his life's events. That is what I believe the one Mother is trying to tell the twins. Pull on one string, and it changes everything in your life's path.
Personally, given the chance, I don't think I would change anything I've done. Every decision I have made, right or wrong, has led me to where I am now, and I'm in a pretty good place. I have a wonderful wife, a step-son I'm very proud of, a roof over my head, food for my stomach, and a bunch of animals that love me.
Dang everyone hates this episode but i really liked it. 😂
@@christopherstanfield1558 yeah I never get bent out of shape of people hating what I like....but I've unfortunately seen twitter and fb posts all morning about the episode being the worst. I just liked that it made me see the Jedi in a different light. It made me think that maybe they killed all the witches.
@@smokeem15yep. It definitely was a fascinating approach. And as for the hate, I honestly think the ones deeply invested in posting their thoughts about it online were determined to simply not like it from the start. Their mind was made up before it aired. Just move on to something else if ya hate it that bad. 🤣 There’s plenty of stories out there.
@@christopherstanfield1558 that's what I say too. I wasn't into Visions so I didn't watch it. I didn't go on to anyone's UA-cam or social posts to say I didn't like and they shouldn't either. 😂 I love Andor and when id say that, id always get people telling me that it's dumb and it's not Star Wars at all so why watch it. People crack me up. Lol
I mean, when you have interracial queer people, of course the toxic Star Wars fans will come out but I think this episode did a great job at nuance. There's no clear good or bad- just people in different groups with different notions and beliefs who make both good and bad choices in how they interact.
Sorry to say this but, May actually did kill them all. I believe somehow, she used the Bunta poison on them all. That's why she came in and said to Osha, " you can't leave now, we're stuck here forever". They were already dead before the fire.
The last scene is also of May standing in front of the tree.
I love how you are critical but at the same time you're giving it a chance. So many people have said this show is garbage without giving it a far chance.
This is definitely the weakest of the 3 episodes. Pacing and dialogue felt off compared to the first 2 which had decent dialogue with a few iffy lines. I'll give the kids some slack but still.
Clearly something else caused everything to happen other than Mae. I don't see how she did all that by herself, including killing the people she loved. I think the Jedi and those witches got into some kind of altercations which lead to everything going to shit, and they used Mae as a cover up. Looking at Turbon in the background at the end, he's got a fresh scar when he didn't before, so something must have happened.
I get why people are pissed about that one specific thing but its not even lore breaking because we DON'T KNOW what they did to create the twins.
Lee Jung-jae still giving it his all. Can't wait until the next episode.
Yeah I really don’t understand why people think this episode destroyed Star Wars. I really liked it and I can understand people don’t like the dialogue and stuff, but come on it didn’t destroy Star Wars.
I've been saying for years "the chosen one" is probably a cyclical prophecy. The galaxy goes through cycles of imbalance and new chosen ones rise to right the balance for a while
Part of me thinks that wasn’t Mae who said “ I’ll kill you.” But whoever is putting Mae in her head in the modern day. And possibly the same for Mae. That could be why they were both like; What have you done? To eachother.
Mae went off with Mother Koril before showing up to challenge Osha; I think she was being mind-controlled by Mother Koril; she actually looked possessed as she looked at the fire
I really liked this episode and the mystery it’s building. I think both Mother Koril and Sol acted very suspiciously. Maybe Koril possessed Mae or a Jedi to attack first so that the other witches would fight back. How did Sol know it was Mae who started the fire unless he was already there before the fire? Why not return to the planet to see if anyone survived? It depicts the Jedi as manipulative and oppressive when they show up armed and pressure families to give up their kids. Why did they delete the fact that Osha had a sister in her file? Were the Jedi trying to cover up their killings and blamed Mae for it? Why did Mae say to Osha “what did you do?” as though she didn’t know what happened?
Sol is the highlight for me. The way I always understood the force was the way Yoda described it. And the force cannot create life, because life creates the force. What comes first, the chicken or the egg kinda thing I guess. But they’re also witches, so I guess it makes sense for them to be able to manipulate the force. The Acolyte has just gotten a little to fan fictiony feel for me to keep going. I wish the mystery was a bit more interesting too.
So Mae tried to kill Osha but how would she destroy the whole place? Plus the injuries on the Jedi.
Considering the revelation about how Mother Anisheya used the Force to make Mother Koril pregnant with the twins i suspect some Sith fuckery happened in the place to pit the Jedi against the Witches coven. Hence why Torbin felt so guilty that he killed himself and Kelnacca became a hermit.
Guess we will have another flashback. Perhaps showing things from Sol's point of view or maybe even from the Sith's.
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It's "The power of men eeeeeee" 😂😂
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The clunkiness could be a bit on purpose. This is the view from Osha as a child. Screen crush did a great breakdown. I’m not too familiar with the EU, never read any books or comics but I have read up on some lore, it’s really interesting to me.
I think it’s definitely based on this episode being strictly from Osha’s perspective
I just started checking out reactions and yours is the first one for ep3 but I'm enjoying all of it. I am new to lore and all but I'm enjoying your explanation here. It of course would be could if or when the show also dives in to lore. it all sounds quite amazing
Your reaction and comments on this episode were so thoughtful and balanced. It's classic Rashomon storytelling like we saw in The Last Jedi and made famous by Akira Kurosawa. We haven't seen the whole picture yet but I'm enjoying the journey getting there.
Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the sith so powerful and so wise he could use the force to influence the midiclorians to create life
I have always asked if Plagueis could "create" life, is it possible for Anakin to have "ended" Padme's life when he force grabbed her in RofS. The droids answer "she has lost the will to live" never worked for me, but if unconsciously Anakin's hate towards Padme that moment was so intense, her body just began to shut down cell by cell.
I wonder if in part he learned that trough Mae.
My hypostasis
Plagus was a Moon and as far as I can find they tend to a have a life span over 100 years, so could be alive at this time.
Plagus has his apprentice string Mea along to discover the secret of how she was created.
After discovering the secret Plagus kills his current apprentice so he is the only one who knows the secret.
Then recruits sidious Sidious. as his new apprentice.
Extended universe said Plagueis attempted to forge a Force dyad with Sidious and that this failed.
Plagues creates life Anakin hoping this will make him more compatible for making Force dyad.
Plaues gets killed by Sidious
“If your comments include the word woke, they get deleted.” Thank you for saying that! I’m getting sick of the conspiracy theorists who decided they will hate the show after the first trailer got out.
This is a good episode ❤, but there is definitely more to this story!!! Those four Jedi must done something to feel guilty, hope we get more answers. Love how attached sol is to osha straight away!!
The showrunner said this season was like the movie Rashomon. Rashomon is all about seeing Truth from different people's persectives. We should
see the same event from other perspectives in the future and find out what really happened.
Hahahahahahaha! Like Headland could ever come close to Kurosawa.
@@JuziinJapan Lucas directly copied and didn't come close either, so here we are.
@@bryansmith5727 are you seriously comparing Headland and Lucas? Really?
Witch says lie about being true to your heart Jedi says be true to your heart tell me whos bad
I understand episodes 4 and 5 will provide different perspectives of the same events. Looking forward to them.
This program is an example of abysmal writing, directing, and production.
I wont use the word... but you cant just handwave criticism based on an obvious agenda proudly vocalized by many tiers of leadership in the disney star wars era. They are obviously intentionally antagonizing the existing fan base, dismissing those criticisms outright just makes you a pawn in their gambit.
That being said... i feel like you're holding back criticism on this one. I saw how many times you had a WTF face. I've seen you be far more harsh about CW content...
I don't generally watch you react to things i don't enjoy... I made an exception this time because i saw clips of this vid in another video.
This show is poorly written and I've given it my usual three episodes... its a shame the third was the worst by far.
I was excited when Kotor 2 was being touted as an inspiration for the philosophy of this series... but the execution is terrible so far, and the only thing I can see being pulled from either Kotor is "peace is a lie".
If star wars fans, which i don't really consider myself (last jedi is the best sw movie imo), think this story is THAT WORD... they should be thankful they dont have to stomach ideologically inconsistent garbage statments like "a male *presenting* time lord wouldn't understand"... yet anyway.
@Omn1Media I completely agree this show has potential, but they've lost me on the week to week watch. I hope this is an unreliable narrator situation, and somehow a stone fortress burning down and killing everyone makes sense, for example.
I firmly believe that if a normal exists, it encompasses the entire spectrum regardless of category. However, the behavior of those in charge has been exclusionary and antagonistic going all the way back to those "force is female" shirts. It didn't say the "force is everyone"... the hypocrisy of calling yourself inclusive while attacking, belittling, and replacing those that don't fit in an exclusive category is what I associate with that word... and I never want to be that.
If you want to ally yourself with that kind of behavior and dismiss criticisms en masse and not address them directly... yeah, that's just playing into their narrative that only bigots don't like this stuff because they think it's that word... and it does make you a pawn. I hate to see it because I actually respect your opinion...
@stephenoliveau You're twisting the meaning of the word like everyone that misuses it which is one of the many reasons I ignore it. Your statement "I firmly believe that if a normal exists, it encompasses the entire spectrum regardless of category" is woke. I've never once been upset by any of these things because why would I be. The Force is Female thing is silly to get upset about because 1, those shirts weren't even Star Wars related to begin with, and when KK wore them it was for a film festival for future female directors. Women impowering women in a space that is male dominated through something that they share or a connection that can be made is great. No one is kicking men out of the space or banning them or saying they aren't welcome. If that were the case, sure I'd be upset.
And in what way does anything I've said support the "only bigots don't like this stuff" narrative. That's never been something I've said or even implied at all. The comments I'm ignoring are specifically racist, homophobic, and bigoted comments because they are NOT criticism. The writing's bad, the dialogue is stilted, the CGI was rough, these performances are stiff, it didn't work for me, the editing was jarring, the pacing was off or too slow, those are things I will listen to. Being mad that there aren't enough white men, in a space that is oversaturated with white men is ridiculous. Being mad that two women gently touched faces, fuck off. Being mad the lead is black or Asian or whatever, fuck off. Telling me that I'm a pawn because I won't listen to racists and homophobes... that's something. I don't need nor want your respect if you are defending these people while I'm defending criticism itself.
5:01 This moment has me suspicious. I didn’t think much of it the first time around but having watched a couple reactions now, there’s this unknown disturbance and then we don’t see anything come of it. Whether this disturbance is because of the Jedi or potentially someone else, we don’t know. But I think it may explain the larger disaster that occurs. Will be very interested to see what reveals we get in later episodes.
Gotta admit, as a dancer, that "choreography" at the start of their little ceremony kinda broke my brain... And yeah, clunky is a good word - I know they're going for Rashomon (and there'll be more) but odd, weird, confusing, and strangely nonsensical are not the qualities you need when telling such a story. Here's hoping it was an aberration and the writing goes back to being a little clearer...
Omni 1 good job My Daughter and i both agree child actresses definitley not Young Leia,Young Ashoka actresses
😮 I have this odd feeling that mae because she is stronger in the force that somebody in the coven has been indoctrinating her heavier into not wanting to leave and not as much at OSHA
Yeah we definitely didn’t get the full story yet
i didn't like the episode simply because of the exact points that you gave out. The writing, pacing and execution was just baaaaad.
Yoooooooo, I’m detecting some maul-ness representation here with Jecki and the Mother that carried the twins. The horns don’t lie. I have some curious questions.
I feel like the same experiment as Darth Plagues did to create Anakin, also happened to OSHA & Mae. Also OSHA was like a hypocrite when Mae use the force to hold that insect. And the lesbian card in this episode. And Mae being a spoil kid tortes her sister.
No, I think Osha was being gentle with the flying thing, but Mae was not being gentle at all.
I love seeing this stuff I dont understand the people who are saying this should've been a 5 minute flash back
I agree. We needed the full background story.
The jedi are definitely more involved in the destruction/massacre than what was shown here. The level of guilt Torbin bore for all those years cannot be justified by the jedi simply being bystanders in this. I suspect Mae was set up. Yes, she started the fire, but that couldn't have caused that level of death and destruction.
You thought this was the clunkiest episode? I thought it was the best episode yet.
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All those people so butt-hurt that Anakin is no longer the ONLY immaculate conception in the SW galaxy make me smh. I remember when TPM came out that Anakin's virginal conception was widely derided as ridiculous and most fans couldn't believe George had done that. NOW, however, you have people losing their minds because if there were other Force-IVF births before Anakin, then he's no longer "special." So the discourse now is "How dare this gay woman take that away from him!" I've tried reasoning with them that it doesn't take away from his legacy as the Chosen One, the child of the prophecy. But it doesn't work. They are stuck on the idea that what made his birth special was that his was the _only_ one where there was no father. They argue that Anakin was Christ-like because the Powers That Be created him the same way God supposedly created Christ.
What EVERYONE forgets is that the story of the virgin birth was not new at the time of Christ. Millennia before Christ was supposedly born to a virgin, the mythical Egyptian god Horus was born to the virgin Isis. Krishna, the Hindu god, was also born of a holy virgin. Both Jesus and Krishna are held to be god incarnate by two religions. Alexander, the Ptolemies, and the Caesars were said by some scholars to have been "virgin-born." Alexander the Great, " journeyed to the Oasis of Amon in order that he might be recognized as the god's son and thus become a legitimate and recognized king of Egypt. And on and on and on, and in each case these figures were central to their religions.
Idk why people are so upset; the writer's room consists of an OT fan, a prequels fan, a sequels fan, and someone who has no past experience with SW so they can say, "Idk what you meant by that reference, so you might have to explain it for new fans." (i.e., those who started with the High Republic era figuring that would be an easier entry point.) I'm sure that if the prequel fan found it in some cheapens Anakin's character to no longer have him be the ONLY virgin birth in the galaxy, I'm SURE they would have said so.
Everyone is acting like Headland isn't a fan and that she wants to piss everyone off instead of giving them more SW content to love, and part of me thinks the backlash is because she is a woman and gay, and part of me thinks the fanbase has just become so damn toxic.
They bullied 9-year-old Jake Lloyd out of acting, blaming him for everything they didn't like about his performance instead of blaming the fact that he was, I'm sorry to say it, stuck with a bad director. I love George Lucas, he creates great stories and settings, but EVERYONE has talked extensively about the fact he isn't a good director, and he KNOWS that, which is why he _didn't_ want to direct the prequels (but he couldn't get Spielberg and no one else wanted to take it on).
They bullied poor Ahmad Best for following the little bit of direction he was given, and turned his dream of acting in Star Wars into a nightmare that made him consider suicide.
Kelly Marie Tran endured such intense racist and sexist trolling that she "closed up shop" and got off of ALL social media and stayed away from acting.
I swear, the next thing that gets released, LFL should keep all the BTS details under wraps; no one gets to know who the director/showrunner/writers are, who is producing it, not even who is starring in it. No media blitz beforehand, don't say a damn word about who is working on it until after the first episode has dropped. Suffocate everyone's pre-conceived notions beforehand so they can't do anything but just watch and judge it on its face instead of starting out with the idea there is a "woke agenda" behind it and then purposely looking for examples to back up their theories.
I hate to disagree, but I thought this was the strongest episode of the three. I enjoyed it and although we learned some things, there is still a mystery.
😮 I have questions. I watch a lot of reactions to the show so it gets my mind going so I will ask you Omni this question. if we are to assume that the twins have equal control over the force, is the imbalance between the two because osha does not want to use it and if that’s the case, why haven’t the mothers noticed this until now instead of while they were growing up 😊
I think the twins were created as representing the light and the dark forces. Osha is reluctant to use dark forces among witches, but she is attracted to life and willing to leave her family behind to be a Jedi. Like Obiwan, something in her conscience is blocking her from using the Force. Maybe she regrets breaking her promise to her sister. She still has nightmares. We saw that with Sabine and Din Djarin too. You can’t use the force when your mind is too obstructed by fear, guilt, anger, or attachments. The light side of the Force I mean.
Very poor choice of words.
It amazes me the difference in comments from this reaction to SWT. SWT and his groupies all wanted something to hate about this show and this episode gave it to them. He very quickly dismissed that The Thread is just this Coven's "certain point of view," and instead decided that he and his groupies should be aggrieved at the abomination of The Thread "replacing" The Force and George's concept of it. The explanation of "The Thread" theory was over in seconds, and the entire Coven was wiped out by the end of the episode. It's not a "replacement."
Sith and Jedi are a "cult" of the Force. They call it "Force" and other cults call it different. It's the same thing just with different names.
Star Wars is based in a massive universe and it's ridiculous to think that the "force" would be called exactly the same everywhere. We are one planet and we have different names for same beliefs. Imagine a galaxy.
It baffles me how people are getting so mad for this. The rigidity and herd following mentality is astounding.
Are there kitties in your room Omn1 ?? or am I seeing things lol
Too many cringe moments with bad dialogue, completely broke immersion for me. Noticed it slightly in first 2 episodes but this was way worse. Plot leaps and contradictions can only be fixed by counter perspectives but even if this is the case it's poorly executed regardless. I've just finished watching Andor again and the contrast in writing, dialoque, character development and story telling is world's apart, andor has strong female characters, diversity and lesbianism and is a masterpiece imo. This is just poor, agenda or not
To each their own dude. I enjoyed it. Many did too. I do agree that the dialogue is clunky. I feel like the writers are talented, and actors are too but they were held back by the producers. At least that's my opinion on the matter
@PaperReaper genuinely happy for anyone that enjoyed it. I don't subscribe to the idea that it's broken star wars but it's not an enjoyable watch for me mainly due to the dialogue and plot contradictions and for that I can totally see why it's getting so much hate from an "artform" perspective. The writers comments in defence of it have just further alienated a large portion of the fanbase. Seemingly I'm a bigoted misogynist if I don't like it according to the writer. First 2 episodes I thought were better than this but it's all coming off as low rent for such a big budget production imo.
i’ll be honest, this episode just wasn’t rlly it for me, but i’m still looking forward to where it goes from here bc i did like the first 2
lmao "umm wtf"
😮 oooh I think I got the breakdown in my head for the episodes. See if this makes sense episode one and two we established the characters. Episode 3,4 and 5 will be from POV of Osha, Mae then the Jedi. then the last three episodes will finish the story, including showing what actually really happened at the temple
👩🏾💻👩🏾💻Your criticism of the episode was warranted, I did love the fact you said this doesn't go against lore at all. I hate that some fans won't give it a chance. I can empathize with them for the most part Disney broke trust with SW fans in a lot of ways, however everything that's been put out isn't trash. One of the things I loved in Legends was Jasen Solo going to all these different planets and learning from different Force users it was so interesting seeing the Force through others belief systems.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents! Thanks for being open to knew things being shown in SW🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
Omni 1 usual good job this is Oshas point of view but i got feeling we are in for a schock when we find out who Sith is
😮 follow up. Unless because of episode three, which was very long, they decided to split the other two POV’s in one episode instead of telling a whole complete story again I don’t know.😊
Loved this episode!
180 mill was used to make this show. They could have used better actors.
they need to show Mae and the Jedi's point of view. I struggled with the dialogue and I thought Sol came off a little creepy following the girls around. Was Mother Korral's body with the witches? I wonder if she is the Sith lord manipulating Mae and she took out the witches (setting up the Jedi from Mae's point of view).
I mean it's not a new concept that groups view the force in different ways the Fallanassi the Sorcerer's of Rhand the Sages many many more
We will see this story 2 more times I believe in mae prospective and in the 4 jedis prospective in my opinion. This episode was only in osha prospective. May the force be with you!😂😂
They are eight year old girls. They cannot be expected to think rationally.
Totally agree with the clunkiness of the whole series.
Thank you for watching this so I don’t have to waste my money on Disney goofy ass and I’m surprised you like it
I think Sol is Sith Lord in disguise listen to somethings he said in this episode
First two episodes were just boring. This episode was just bad. All of them have stupid general mistakes and plenty of lore mistakes. I barely care, but I am curious about how people manage to consume media with no consideration for any of these factors. If you actually care, then shouldn't these things matter to you?
I wish I could see this series through your eyes (and Ive been a SW since 1977) but it just keeps getting worse IMO.
*the LucasFilm story group confirmed Palpatine did not have a hand in Anakin’s creation, despite the related comic book storyline
I'm glad I watched your review along with Kyle's, because a lot of reactors showed their racist,/incel ass with this series
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Stone very flammable
My theory is that Sol is a Sith Lord pretending to be a good Jedi. He made a pact with Mother Aniseya to create 2 powerful force user kids. Later, he went there with his Jedi friends saying the witches trained kids. He eradicated the whole tribe. Manipulated Osha to become his Palawan, and controlled Mae into killing Jedi today.
I can't figure out for the life of me why people are defending the show😅
I like your appraoch of both girls being the embodiment of the balance of the firce but split in two
As to rhe fire... I did not see the withches burnt... Sooo.... The Jedi definitely had a hand in that... They might have some "justifying" reason (to an extent) but here I am, in doubt...
I like the Epiosde. Is current perfect, no, I thought the way they did the Hotel was not good. But it the Current Star Wars has it ups
The toxic Star Wars fans bitching at the dumbest shit that has no real effect at all. It's embarrassing. Not surprising, seeing that they have been around since the prequel trilogy. Now they blame Disney. Nitpicking at the dumbest shit
Great reaction and explanation. You gave balanced review...thanks.
I actually think this was the best episode of the three so far. Episode 1 was clunkier IMO.
This show never really impresses me. It’s watchable tho. I hope the back half is strong
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Nothing was wrong with those child actors or their dialogue
I liked the first two episodes but this one felt clunky and unsatisfying. Maybe I was just in the wrong head space when I watched it, idk.
Can someone explain how the dialogue was bad? Im prolly pretty ignorant on writing
It was bad because the writing was bad. Pure and simple. It’s not a bad show. It’s not destroying Star Wars. But when I hear 180m budget, I expect game of thrones level production. This is not it.