This is an excellent video, I'd recommend new pilots watch as many of this type as they can find. In 1995 as an intermediate level pilot I decided to fly an untested site alone. Complacency and impaired judgment contributed to my accident. I launched in strong conditions, was unable to penetrate while standing on my speed bar, gaining altitude going backwards. Approximately 2 minutes after launch I turned downwind and flew directly into the lee side rotor suffering a 3/4 frontal collapse and pounding in from a considerable height. Massive multiple traumas resulted. Pay attention to the forecasts, listen to the advice of fellow pilots, and use good judgment when ridge soaring on days like this.
That is what scares me a bit about getting into PG. In a sailplane i have been In a rotor and its just a matter of flicking your wrist to recover. You can never know enough about meteorology and effects of ground morphology on air currents so keep learning, never stop thinking about all that and don't get complacent in the air.
I flew in rotor once some years ago at about 500m over ground. A series of about 10 to 15 side wing collapses (dont know the proper word in english) were the result. Left, right, left, right and so on untill I finally have fallen through the rotor - it was the moment when I seriously considered to release my reserve. I was lucky to land safely finally. The hill provoking the rotor was about 800 m far away and I did not expect a rotor at all. Wrong assumption and a big lesson for me.
This often happens to inexperienced pilots. As the wind gets stronger, most experienced pilots move forward to fly on the front edge of the lift band. Beginners usually fail to realize the danger until they are pinned in the venturi. They lack experience using their speedbar, and when they realize they are in danger they sometimes make a bad rash decision to try to escape. I try to talk to the newbies in our club before they fly in strong wind ridge soaring conditions. Telling them to move forward as the wind increases, and that if they need to use speedbar to make forward progress it is time for them to go the LZ to land.
very helpfull, have you got some more examples like that? and another question, about which windspeed, rotors start to go dangerous? have you got a tipp about when we have to be carefully? is there a unwritten law from windspeed it self? because this example here looks tiny against alps in switzerland...
Hi! Loved the video, I’m entering the paragliding world and I am trying to understand the different wind areas, do you recommend any books, videos or material that can give me information like this video?
Hi, welcome to the wonderful world of paragliding! 😀 For books, I recommend Understanding the Sky by Dennis Pagen, latest edition. For videos, check out the other videos on our channel (and of course others). Also see the Flybubble Knowledge Base: flybubble.com/knowledge-base
Hi, I am a beginner HG pilot and I'm wondering if there is a similar You Tube channel for HGs. The content and presentation of your video is excellent and I learnt a lot from watching this one.
If you are stuck in this Ventura fact and you had to speed bar already applied And weren’t making it forward progress, what would be the steps that you would do next to help the situation and possibly provide a save the landing?
Hi Tim. The pilot would be best to answer that question in full however my understanding is that: 1) This was his first flying day out of school; 2) He flew into the wrong place (venturi) at the wrong time (windy) and got pinned; 3) There was a barbed-write fence below him which he was worried about landing on; 4) He thought the valley behind looked like a good place to land (i.e. better than the fence) and under-estimated the danger of the rotor, and so made a last second decision to dive over the back to avoid the fence. Unfortunately he made the wrong decision, most probably due to lack of experience and a lack of understanding about airflow - something which it seems to me many other pilots also suffer from. I think the pilot was extremely lucky as the end result could've easily been far worse. The good news is that he says he's doing well and is expected to eventually make a full recovery. He wanted us to share this video footage so that other pilots could learn from it and hopefully avoid the same fate, which I think is great of him.
it would really be awesome to have a Jeordi Laforge VISOR from Star Trek the Next Generation where one can see all wind activity! Such as Rotors, Thermals, Waves, Updrafts, etc!
What is the right course of action after he made the wrong decision to head to the back valley? Continue straight and try to land on the secondary slope?
If the wind blows you over the top and you cant land on the top, the best is to fly downwind as high and as far as you can, to go over and beyond the rotor.
Do you know any formula to calculate how far it's safe behind the mountain? given the speed of wind, height of obstacle? (I'd say the atmospheric pressure also, but too many variables) I tried to find a easy way, just to have an idea of what we have for margins, but everything I found is engineering classes material for a whole semester of study.
Nice. I now this.... im a Pilot from the best spot for strong Wind in Bavaria... i think the Pilot was to scary to land on the Top... and he don't see the nice upper hill that you Land
Wouldn't be safe to assume that newbies with slow beginner gliders simply shouldn't fly in such strong conditions? It seems like it doesn't take much to get blown away.
I don't think I've ever seen as clearly illustrated an example of rotor as this, cheers Flybubble!
This is an excellent video, I'd recommend new pilots watch as many of this type as they can find. In 1995 as an intermediate level pilot I decided to fly an untested site alone. Complacency and impaired judgment contributed to my accident. I launched in strong conditions, was unable to penetrate while standing on my speed bar, gaining altitude going backwards. Approximately 2 minutes after launch I turned downwind and flew directly into the lee side rotor suffering a 3/4 frontal collapse and pounding in from a considerable height. Massive multiple traumas resulted.
Pay attention to the forecasts, listen to the advice of fellow pilots, and use good judgment when ridge soaring on days like this.
That is one of the best examples (graphics) I have seen. Sorry for the unfortunate pilot, hope he is ok.
That is what scares me a bit about getting into PG. In a sailplane i have been In a rotor and its just a matter of flicking your wrist to recover.
You can never know enough about meteorology and effects of ground morphology on air currents so keep learning, never stop thinking about all that and don't get complacent in the air.
Thanks Greg for this lesson with real life footage. Every bit relevant today as it was when this vid was posted. Hope the pilot has fully recovered.
Would love more videos on more examples during some flight in different terrains maybe
That was a very sobering example, I hope the injured pilot has recovered his health. Thanks for posting.
I flew in rotor once some years ago at about 500m over ground. A series of about 10 to 15 side wing collapses (dont know the proper word in english) were the result. Left, right, left, right and so on untill I finally have fallen through the rotor - it was the moment when I seriously considered to release my reserve. I was lucky to land safely finally. The hill provoking the rotor was about 800 m far away and I did not expect a rotor at all. Wrong assumption and a big lesson for me.
LamentoAbsurdo in english thats called an asymmetric collapse
This often happens to inexperienced pilots. As the wind gets stronger, most experienced pilots move forward to fly on the front edge of the lift band. Beginners usually fail to realize the danger until they are pinned in the venturi. They lack experience using their speedbar, and when they realize they are in danger they sometimes make a bad rash decision to try to escape. I try to talk to the newbies in our club before they fly in strong wind ridge soaring conditions. Telling them to move forward as the wind increases, and that if they need to use speedbar to make forward progress it is time for them to go the LZ to land.
***** well, it does, they reach the ground much faster... great movie, real world situation
@@flybubbleparagliding what about big ears in such a situation, so you become heavier, ofcourse its better to get as far away Lee to as possible?
Thank you so much for this video, really makes an impact and will not be forgotten!
very helpfull, have you got some more examples like that? and another question, about which windspeed, rotors start to go dangerous? have you got a tipp about when we have to be carefully? is there a unwritten law from windspeed it self? because this example here looks tiny against alps in switzerland...
Hi! Loved the video, I’m entering the paragliding world and I am trying to understand the different wind areas, do you recommend any books, videos or material that can give me information like this video?
Hi, welcome to the wonderful world of paragliding! 😀 For books, I recommend Understanding the Sky by Dennis Pagen, latest edition. For videos, check out the other videos on our channel (and of course others). Also see the Flybubble Knowledge Base: flybubble.com/knowledge-base
Holy crap! I had know idea how bad it could be. Thanks for another great video
Excellent info both in the video and the comments.
Nice explanation.
This will be the first video I share with anyone that wants to start flying.
Life saving videos!!Had to subscribe👍👌
Very helpful
Bravo, this is great lesson. THank you very much !!!
Good Job, thanks for the advice, it's all in the manual.
Thank you for perfect explanation.
Hi, I am a beginner HG pilot and I'm wondering if there is a similar You Tube channel for HGs. The content and presentation of your video is excellent and I learnt a lot from watching this one.
thnks!! very insightful.
Thanks
If you are stuck in this Ventura fact and you had to speed bar already applied And weren’t making it forward progress, what would be the steps that you would do next to help the situation and possibly provide a save the landing?
...Is time to paint the wind !!!
Seriously your videos are very informative and well the movies.
Have a nice day
Useful vid as always guys. Do you know why the pilot decided to try to land where he did? A moment of madness?
Hi Tim. The pilot would be best to answer that question in full however my understanding is that: 1) This was his first flying day out of school; 2) He flew into the wrong place (venturi) at the wrong time (windy) and got pinned; 3) There was a barbed-write fence below him which he was worried about landing on; 4) He thought the valley behind looked like a good place to land (i.e. better than the fence) and under-estimated the danger of the rotor, and so made a last second decision to dive over the back to avoid the fence. Unfortunately he made the wrong decision, most probably due to lack of experience and a lack of understanding about airflow - something which it seems to me many other pilots also suffer from. I think the pilot was extremely lucky as the end result could've easily been far worse. The good news is that he says he's doing well and is expected to eventually make a full recovery. He wanted us to share this video footage so that other pilots could learn from it and hopefully avoid the same fate, which I think is great of him.
it would really be awesome to have a Jeordi Laforge VISOR from Star Trek the Next Generation where one can see all wind activity! Such as Rotors, Thermals, Waves, Updrafts, etc!
great class!
Excelent, thank you
Very good video boy's.
Bloody hell, after watching the video and reading the comments, I see you here, 4 years later!! :-D
good!
What is the right course of action after he made the wrong decision to head to the back valley? Continue straight and try to land on the secondary slope?
If the wind blows you over the top and you cant land on the top, the best is to fly downwind as high and as far as you can, to go over and beyond the rotor.
@@flybubbleparagliding Thanks a lot!
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how does this apply to speedflying wings like Gin Bobcat that are made for high wind soaring?
Do you know any formula to calculate how far it's safe behind the mountain? given the speed of wind, height of obstacle? (I'd say the atmospheric pressure also, but too many variables) I tried to find a easy way, just to have an idea of what we have for margins, but everything I found is engineering classes material for a whole semester of study.
Nice. I now this.... im a Pilot from the best spot for strong Wind in Bavaria... i think the Pilot was to scary to land on the Top... and he don't see the nice upper hill that you Land
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What were the injuries by the person who crashed into the ground?
quick outs are very practible in windy landing zones, one click an ya save.
Looks like a terrible place to fly. Why even be there on that day? 😬
Wouldn't be safe to assume that newbies with slow beginner gliders simply shouldn't fly in such strong conditions? It seems like it doesn't take much to get blown away.
Nobody shouldn't fly in "strong conditions". Beginner or not.
Fly a flattop with a dominator then you have nothing to worry about as per super Dell
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