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@@PhysicalCultureHistorians That’s great! And I imagine similar motions were done in warmups for jō techniques :) Imagine having your training implement and your self defense tool be the same item! Though I suppose that was the case when a man would do wand exercises with his cane.
Nice video once again, Ben! Your experience with the iron wand made to specification but turning out way heavier than expected reminded me of the Pallasch I had made to specification. I found the exact length, thickness and width of the blade, but still, it turned out heavier. My guess was that the steel might be purer and denser, thus heavier, due to technological advances in producing and shaping it, but I´m hardly an expert on the matter.
It’s very interesting that we had that exact same experience! Steel can be a bit lighter or heavier than iron today, so this is still inconclusive. Was steel lighter back then? Was there another lighter alloy they might have used? All very mysterious! :)
This was my thought too. Stefan Roth offers his customers to made his saber replicas (in my case) of material of the 19th cent. Because it is different then todays iron!
Probably, in a very distant way. Unless you mean the ones with the ends weighted on one side, used in rhythmic gymnastics-those are descended from Indian clubs used in Eastern Europe.
My thinking is the thinness of the wand required to match the required weight, would be too weak and brittle if made with iron, as compared to steel. But to reiterate-only a theory and a bit speculative.
@@davidmiller6642 I was confused at first as the density of iron and steel is basically identical. I then did a bit of math and the weights and dimensions from the catalogue for the wands suggests that they were solid metal rather than tubes. Even in cast iron a 1/2" to 3/4" diameter rod should be durable provided it doesn't see a lot of impact. This is also during the time period where "iron" could refer to wrought iron which is quite ductile, though softer.
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I just looove your background infos of the tools! 👏👏👏
Thank you most kindly Mr Janseps! 🙏
The short, light wand reminds me a lot of a Jō Staff
Yes, very similar, though the wooden wands tend to be slightly shorter! But you do see some of that length!
@@PhysicalCultureHistorians That’s great! And I imagine similar motions were done in warmups for jō techniques :)
Imagine having your training implement and your self defense tool be the same item! Though I suppose that was the case when a man would do wand exercises with his cane.
Great job once again.
Thanks so much! 🙏
Nice video once again, Ben! Your experience with the iron wand made to specification but turning out way heavier than expected reminded me of the Pallasch I had made to specification. I found the exact length, thickness and width of the blade, but still, it turned out heavier. My guess was that the steel might be purer and denser, thus heavier, due to technological advances in producing and shaping it, but I´m hardly an expert on the matter.
It’s very interesting that we had that exact same experience! Steel can be a bit lighter or heavier than iron today, so this is still inconclusive. Was steel lighter back then? Was there another lighter alloy they might have used? All very mysterious! :)
This was my thought too.
Stefan Roth offers his customers to made his saber replicas (in my case) of material of the 19th cent. Because it is different then todays iron!
Brilliant video Sir. The explanation clear and concise. The information extremely helpful. Kudos Sir!
Thank you kindly!
Another great presentation, Ben.
Thanks Dave! 🙏
Are there any specific videos or resources you would recommend for learning these movements? Thank you
Yes indeed, check out TheLeanBerets UA-cam channel by Ron Jones, he has a very good series on wand exercises!
Thank you very much for making this video. Very informative.
My pleasure, thanks for the kind words!
Is the gymnastics baton descended from this wand tradition?
Probably, in a very distant way. Unless you mean the ones with the ends weighted on one side, used in rhythmic gymnastics-those are descended from Indian clubs used in Eastern Europe.
Why would an iron wand be heavier than a steel wand of the same dimensions?
My thinking is the thinness of the wand required to match the required weight, would be too weak and brittle if made with iron, as compared to steel. But to reiterate-only a theory and a bit speculative.
@@davidmiller6642 I was confused at first as the density of iron and steel is basically identical. I then did a bit of math and the weights and dimensions from the catalogue for the wands suggests that they were solid metal rather than tubes.
Even in cast iron a 1/2" to 3/4" diameter rod should be durable provided it doesn't see a lot of impact. This is also during the time period where "iron" could refer to wrought iron which is quite ductile, though softer.