Another Highly Informative Video ! ! Many Thanks Kyle O . For someone looking to get into paramotoring like myself, Your expertise on the subject is beyond amazing ! I learn something new daily from your videos that I will be able to use in the future .
I agree with you about all these gliders and I am so glad to hear you say it. I got an advance epsilon 9. It was all I could afford. I'm flying heavy on the wing and I'm learning ground handling and I'm going to learn to be an epsilon 9 pilot. A lot of other people online think that I'm pushing my luck learning to fly that epsilon 9, and here you announced that you might be okay flying the high-end be glider for a learning glider. That really encourages me. I'm not going to have a pair of motor I'm just going to glide down hi'll catch thermal that kind stuff.
I was insistent on getting a Mojo when I signed up for training. Luckily my instructor insisted I not because he said I would get bored with it in 4 months. I am glad I had the sense to listen to him. Never regretted it.
Excellent video. I'm starting to learn on an epsilon 9. I'm fat and it's flying heavy. I appreciate your discourse on the nature of the differences between these classes. Thank you very much
I couldn’t agree more! Sara’s Mojo has without a doubt slowed her progression. For a smaller person, this wing is nearly impossible to inflate in nil wind.
Not only is this the highest level thinking I ever heard from an US-instructor, but it also mirrors my personal experience perfectly! When I did my A-License over here in the Alps, I never really warmed up to my Ion 4... It's like my brain was thinking "What's going on? If I pull that brake and do this, I should be swinging in that direction!" Or I was waiting for pitch movements that we had learned to anticipate and correct, but they just never came so I almost over-corrected... The Ion just damped all of that away, leaving my brain scratching it's head, metaphorically.... :-D When I got my next wing, a High-B Gin Explorer, everything made sense immediately! Suddenly what happened to me under the wing was in perfect sync with what my brain told me should be happening! Lastly, something else that plays into that theory: If you rely on a Mojo (or other A-Wing you fly to be "safer"), 9 times out of 10 you would be better served either improving your skills, or realizing Paragliding/-motoring maybe isn't for you. The people who legitimately should be under a Mojo long term (or equv. wing) are few and far between.
Wow and oh shit. I have been flying a Mojo Pwr and have about 70 hours on it and I really wanted to buy a Sirocco 2 but I talked to my PPG instructor and he said to buy the spyder 3 first and then the Sirocco 2 after about 70 hours on the spyder 3 now I have a better understanding why. Thanks Kyle you did it again. A very informative video. Keep the videos coming. : )
I've had a Mojo 5 for five years now, and I don't have the problem you're talking about. I fly on Buzz6, miniwing Zero 3,...I control all three wings equally.
Kyle, thank you soooo much! This was very helpful to me and I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge in a way newbies understand. You da man!
Im so glad you spoke on this. It answers a bunch of questions. I have wondered why people struggle with pitch control and it definitely seems appropriate to master pitch control. I think instincts help a lot with that.
It takes serious practice to master pitch control. The feel is not as pronounced as an asymmetry in the roll axis. Instinct is actually a good adjective to describe it, because what you do feel happens before the pitch change results, or correction is applied.
So, in essence learning to feel pitch is harder because it relys on developing those skills? Asymmetric is less pronounced but also needs less input as time passes. I think I read you right. I am still learning about that stuff. So far I understand where the wing has more power vs where it seems to have less. Those videos we're more boring but I'll get to them. If not for your talk on wind and weather I may not get it at all. Lol
Good Vid Kyle. I fly that dreaded Mojo you speak of, 26m. Got about 105 hrs on it, Matt is getting me a Calypso 24 to demo and probably purchase if it measures up to a 23 vantage2. That's my preferred next wing, as I've flown it a few times now, also flown Neil's 26 Falcon which seemed very fast on a zero wind approach, even fully trimmed. I'll say my mojo has served me well. I've done every move you can make on it just short of a B line stall. I have been banged around in very heavy turbulence with it midday in summer in some nasty thermals and she handles very well. I will not and do not ever use trims for takeoff anymore as it does have a tendency to "hang back" as you say on launch with nil wind...if, if you have any bit of trim. Open those trims and she will come right up and launch you no prob. I think it's unfair to judge student progression from a mojo unless they have first logged 100 hours on it. When I flew Neil's falcon for the first time at the Mississippi misfits meet this past Oct I had zero wind on launch. I did three practice fwd launches using a kiting harness. The first launch the wing did pop up quicker than I could react and it did frontal on me. I reset and checked the brakes a bit sooner on the next run. 2nd attempt was No problem, ran it out the length of the field. Gathered up and reset, did a 3rd fwd practice and it went well also, I then felt I could launch it with a motor. Went get my kit and fwd launched and was up in no time on my first attempt. I like my mojo, if I could change anything it would just be to give it a greater trim range. It has a pretty short range as you already know. The confidence I have in the safety of the wing has allowed me to progress and pull stunts I'm sure I would have never tried if I were on a spicer wing(starting out) and not had Matt to coach me through the maneuvers. I feel safe enough on it to do barrel rolls if only I could build enough energy, but 180 out wingovers are all I can manage on it as it dampens out all inputs so much. It's really forgiving when you don't apply enough outside brake pressure on that open trimmed 180 wingover and the wing folds back on you too. The 1/3 collapses pop right out before I even realized I didn't pull enough brake. It's a good beginner wing in my opinion, and I'm not just saying that because it's up for sale either. :) Btw, it's listed on FB "Paramotor things for sale" , I'll let it go as soon as My new wing selection is finalized. Cheers everyone! Fly safe!
Sucking it UA-cam there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if you can get good solid safety information out to the people you're a blessing to the industry.
My instructor (I'm close to my P2 free flight rating) is encouraging me to get a En-B rated wing as my first wing as well. We fly Gin wings, so most likely a Calypso or similar. His thought is that the B wing being a little faster can actually be "safer" as it can pernitrate wind better and get you out of situations where an A wing might not. I see your point on pitch control too. The Gin Beleros that we fly have never shot past me in a launch. Thanks Kyle, I appreciate your thoughts as always!
Great video Kyle! It makes me feel better about learning on a B wing and having one as a first wing as well (Spyder 3). Pitch control is an invaluable skill to learn early on, and I feel much less prone to front tucks as a result, and with better surge control in flight. I think you and Ron Toran probably see eye-to-eye on this when it comes to training, but it would be fun to watch you and Eric Farewell debate the issue!
yes, I started out on a mojoe 5 2017 model and year. You have to hold them A's all the way, till the wing is over strait over my head. If I check the brakes it will do a front tuck. You do not have to check the brakes on this wing as you say. The only time I pull the brakes is to get some lift off affect once it center over my head and over 8mph. I got about 70 hours on it now. So im near ready for a better wing as you say. I trained on a gin A, and you do have to check the brakes on them during launch as you say. This wing is so safe I think you could fly it trough a hurricane with your eyes closed. Hands up. One of my flying buds has a dudek universal he like it real well. I think my school my also have one I can try out also. How much are they going for?
As a brand new Pilot, I own the Mojo 5 and haven't experienced any of the issues you speak of, so I believe that this is a Salesmans pitch to buy a glider that you make more money from selling. Since Tucker Gott sells and endorses Ozone Mojo wings I'd love to see a debate between you and him on this subject.
@@kyleogleewell since he endorses Ozone and sells them,and you put them down in this video, I'd love a retort from him seeing why he says they are great gliders, and you disagree with this... someone has to be wrong.
@vincethrill457 I use and own many wings from Ozone. Nothing against that company. They just cost more than is necessary for the value of the glider. I don't think you're grasping the spirit of this video. Learning on an A glider is fine, but you will outgrow it quickly...edit. just for clarity, I too am a dealer for ozone products, so your argument is kind of strange to me. The fact that someone endorses anything and has sponsors should be the biggest tell of all. Enjoy your ppg journey, holler back when you have tried out different kit for many years, then you and I can have a realistic conversation about the topic.
My first wing was a Mojo PWR and I have to agree with you pretty thoroughly. Thankfully I got to borrow other wings occasionally from my instructors and they taught me pitch control. I always launched my Mojo with the trims out for the reasons you stated. Even then, it's still slow to come up which is a huge problem if you have a little cross wind. It takes so long to come up that it falls over to the side before you have a chance to correct it...VERY frustrating. But, the nice thing about the Mojo is it's a slow and easy wing to land. I got a Qubik last month and have been loving it. Launching is much more intuitive and controllable, but you definitely need some pitch control.
good points kyle, nice to hear you share your perspective on this. I started with a Awing, dudek nemo 4, I don't find it hangs back at all and ground handling gave me plenty of chance to practice pitch control, so it seems to have a little more room perhaps than the mojo, as it never falls back on me easily.
Great discussion, man! We hit 67° up here in MA today! Insanity - I was in a tee-shirt all day! The snow melted, the frozen ground thawed, and everything turned into a quagmire. No flying here. Trike would be sunk to the harness and prop, and your legs up to your ankles ... and that's just on the grass! It's a mess ... I've got the Blackhawk / Velocity Core in a 32 - she big, but I got a trike, and I'm a complete self-training rookie. Probably better for me to stick with that one for a while. It does come up nice and easy, even for me, and even by hand (actually easier by hand than with the trike, but that probably has more to do with my LZ than anything). My biggest problem is throttle management, and what I should be holding where in my throttle hand. I had that all figured out, then the weather turned into a big steaming pile, minus the warmth, lol. I'll have to retrain myself all over again when spring comes. I was SO close to taking off, too, around the first week of November. Haven't even started the thing since. :(
Beginner here. Hope I ll understand your points in the future. Now it sounds like saying that ABS cars don’t allow you to develop proper breaking technique and sensitivity, which is true indeed but why do we need them when we can all be safer with ABS?
@@kyleoglee fair enough; but what if one doesn’t wanna do “car race”, just smooth rides? Isn’t he better off to start and stay with a class A than a steeper learning curve for something he won’t really need later?
It's not particularly steeper of a learning curve, just makes you a more well rounded pilot. Overall, being more well rounded will make you a better and safer pilot. You must understand that the gear is not what makes one safe. Indian not the arrow.
Is the Mojo PWR 2 any better than the other Mojos? What about for someone that has absolutely no interest in arco of any kind? Someone who just wants to go and explore and land, with the most benign flight possible?
OI!!!! Ive just been going through Funky Fellas tracks, I haven't found a track I don't like yet, don't think I will either. Love the names of some of the tracks you have used!! =] Yet again another fine vijayo from the Mr O
MacPara Charger is a great wing that I started with although the manual states at least 50 hours experience before flying it for some reason but my instructor started me on it. The only thing I did like about the Mojo is it plows through turbulence like a tank. I mean, somehow you just don't feel the bumps as much on it as other wings for some reason. Or at least that was my limited experience with it.
The old wing I bought for ground handling would over shoot and frontal like nobody's business. Took me a good bit of practice to effectively ground handle. I bought a mojo 5 as my first flying wing and immediately noticed the lack of input required to keep it from overshooting. I have no issues launching the mojo, but I have questioned if it's going to make me lose the skills I once had before I took my first flight. For now, I like its confidence for learning wing overs. Until I have those dialed, I can't justify an upgrade.
So it’s basically like learning to ride a bike as a kid, but never taking the training wheels off. Great video as usual from my favorite YT drug dealer! 😉👍
Do you have any experience with Sol gliders? I have an Ellus L and I was wondering if you might have a few words of wisdom for me. I haven't even kited it yet. No chance to do it. It's always raining when I get home. If you find yourself in the Marrero area, reach out to me. I might be home.
Good info I was looking at the Mojo when I got into this, got the MacPara muse 4 powered, and it will over shot you without brake management, but still a slow A wing. Cheers
Listening to this I'm glad I learned to fly on an Ozone Rush (high B) :) There's a lot to be said for getting a wing that you can grow into, I would suggest that any modern B wing has enough passive safety for anyone. The Ozone Buzz seems like a good beginner wing, I suggest buy second hand for a first wing because you're inevitably going to thrash it during all those early mistakes, draggings, brambles and trees etc. ;)
I love your post. I bought a high-end B Wing. I'm learning to fly it. I picked it because I could afford the wing used and the lessons from the same place. There's nobody else here flying these things so I'm going to have to launch out a farm field. My main goal on thermal days is to fly up under a cloud, and throw out a box of cornstarch to make it rain. If I can get it to rain one extra time on my friends farm every other farm will be jealous and invite me to fly out of their farm.
@@markmcgoveran6811 .. I wish you good luck on your new venture, flying is the only real magic :) Not sure about the corn starch thing, I'm guessing the only rain you'll get is corn starch rain ;) Not that you want to fly a paragliding wing in the rain because a wet wing behaves poorly and if you get a collapse they can stick to themselves and recovery isn't guaranteed ... Anyhow, enjoy and keep your mistakes small enough to learn from :)
@@freezatron The general idea is to fly upwind when from my friend's farm, pick a cloud that's headed towards his house. Fly up under the cloud by the edge of the cloud. Cornstarch is a good condensation nuclei for rain drops. After you throw out the cloud of dust you need to get on the speed bar. Get away from the rain and have the rainfall on the farm. I am trying to grow launching zones. Plenty of people show up on farms and throat rash around and make Farmers on happy to the point it's difficult to find someone to let you trespass on their property. I'm new at this and I'm going to be flying alone in charge of the cloud seeding squadron by my self. I have to come up with something to get myself the most choices for launch sites so I can get the ideal wind direction lined up with the ideal Hill on the ideal day.
When flying a low enB wing on my siv ,i was telling my instructor how safe it was, the next day i found myself upside down in my harness and almost trew my reserve. My instructor told me: it pisses me off when people think they fly a safe glider, now that i proved you wrong ,we can proceed .
very interesting ... from a paraglider beginning , i really struggle with all the reflex trims out hands off tip steering idea....how can you active fly the wing properly ??? i suppose trusting on the passive safety and trusting your kit! Here in the UK it seems the weather is always active and prefer to fly speed bar rather trimmers unless super calm conditions and feeling the brakes would be interested in your thoughts
How do I get a hold of you? I currently have a Mojo Power small and having a heck of time with it. It only has 2 flights on it looking to trade for a Dudek Universal equivalent in size if your interested, maybe could use it for training.
Man Kyle O' you bring up some good points ..I started on a Mojo Pwr in School and immediately went to a Spyder ( old V ) I flew about 50 hours on that spyder with out any problems then I had to hang up flying do to a shoulder surgery so I sold my Spyder1 ..8 month went buy and I was ready to fly again I thought it would be a good idea to go back to a beginner wing so I purchased a Mojo Pwr Sml, Boy did I feel like I had lost all my ability to launch in nil winds and exactly as you said I was giving small break input and the wing was just hanging back and not wanting to takeoff I'm now 10 hours with this Mojo and I have gotten the hang of it but I'll be interested to see how I do when I fly my New Spyder 3 that I have sitting still in the unopened package from Ozone I just hope like you said I don't let it over shoot me on my first attempt and cause damage..Any ways less likely after watching this video I will have this in the back of my mind to look out for ..And for the record I do love the Mojo Pwr it will be my wing to go to for quite a while if not ever when conditions call for more passive safety..
@@kyleoglee I'm thinking its all about being informed ..I usually fly by myself so didn't have any one to bounce info or help me critique my failed launches and even though I use field cameras and a helmet cam It took me a long time to figure out what I was doing wrong and why that Mojo was kicking my ass on Nil-wind and was really starting to think there had to be a problem with the wing LOL so yes after scratching my head for a while I found out not only that I had to hang on to the A's much much longer until the wing was directly over head but to start the throttle up and lean back with little to no breaks for the first few steps and mainly use the step under the wing if its lagging on any side and resist breaking as much as possible then when you start to feel obvious lift and your centered then increase throttle and apply brakes . I'm going to fly my Mojo a few more hours before unboxing the Spyder 3 but what I hope will come from all this is a Aha! moment that you need to know more about what ever wing your flying then I previously thought. It doesn't help that after 3 years in the sport I only have 70 hours in the harness I'm 59 Yo with total knee replacements and bad shoulder not only do i live in a hard to find near by areas to fly but as a poor working slob I also need to prioritize when I can fly.. All that being said I still cherish every min in the air.
@@MrCPPG lol I hear you but taking it out of the bag is like driving off the lot it will depreciate my mojo pwr still has that new smell and crispness..
@@nitro200flyer3 I totally get that. Mine sat for 3 months in the box. Everyone kept pestering me to fly it. Sonner or later it must be done. You wll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
Hey Anthony! You had the Spyder before Clint shredded it, right? I'd imagine the Spyder flys roughly same as the Roadster3 (which is what I have)... Now that you have the Universal 1.1, which wing do you prefer between it and the Spyder, and why? Graciouso!
Kyle, with the higher angle of attack due to the wing hanging back, is there increased danger of stalling on launch? I'm always surprised how back the wing is when I'm climbing out. For launch, many of the days inn AZ are nil wind and what you are saying mirrors my experiences.
Those 2 models share very similar characteristics. Dudek again gets the nod by a small margin due to increased trim range, firmer brake pressures, and lower price.
I am a new P2 and primarily fly at Point of the Mountain, Utah. I chose the Mojo 6 and have about 4 hours on it so far. Is this commentary primarily directed toward PPG pilots? How much of this is applicable to regular PG pilots? Appreciate you making this video!
Thanks. Primarily PPG, but certainly also helps PG as well. With modern gliders, starting with a B and practicing enough to become proficient would not be considered unwise.
KyloO, would you recommend that someone advancing to an intermediate glider should spend a decent amount of time ground kiting it to try to work out that pitch control? For context, I currently fly a Roadster3 currently with 72 flights (~30 total hours)
I think there is a bit more to it than that paranman, but there is enough passive safety in most B wings for beginners, the Ozone Buzz seems an especially good B wing for beginners, it's a good all rounder with plenty of room to grow as a pilot :)
I learned to fly on an Ozone Rush (high B) because I wanted some agility and feel too so I totally get where you're coming from on that one :) Like anything it depends on how adept you are and if you've flown anything else prior to paragliders, it all helps to develop sensitivity etc.:) I've flown the UP XC Summit which is quite quick and has good feedback & agility, I liked it :) It's a high B but for an adept beginner who is prepared to do 30 hours of groundhandling in a variety of conditions and then do lots of top to bottom flights on small hills etc. etc. and then get into flying it etc, It's definitely a good wing with plenty of growing room but you have to be really honest about your innate ability.... I strongly suggest buying second hand to begin with though (get the wing checked out by a professional if you do or make sure it comes with a recent check out) as you will thrash it during your first year... Will you be teaching yourself or getting lessons ?
I just bought the new Mojo 6, and have 8 bunny days, and 3 flight days off Marshall in San Bernardino, 4 flights. I just flew 2 hours on the Mojo 6. It's easy to kite and learn to fly. I'll bet this wing is an exception for an A wing, rated best in it's class for XC, and 28% less line drag. I'm finding as a beginner that the hang gliders are following me around because I catch more lift than the other older gliders...
I'm just starting out to paraglide I bought two wings off of a guy and he told me they are beginner come to find out their class c&d and it's professional I got them both up in the air but they're too quick now I'm stuck with them they're in top-notch shape I would love to try them for a beginner's maybe just one cuz after I get past the a and b-class I it so if anybody out there that's past a and d class and they're wanting to move forward to a professional Wing I would trade with you just let me know and I can send you to your phone
Good One Kyle!!! Cathy’s mojo pwr is harder to inflate, compared to my spider, Ive noticed this myself. Maybe Cathy should work with mine & hone those skills. We’ll work on that - and let ya know next time we see ya ;0) Thanks Kyle!!!
Another Highly Informative Video ! ! Many Thanks Kyle O . For someone looking to get into paramotoring like myself, Your expertise on the subject is beyond amazing ! I learn something new daily from your videos that I will be able to use in the future .
Thank you Josh! Also, I'd love to be your teacher in person when the time comes! Reach out if I can help in any way.
Kyle, another oldie but goodie! Great info when and if.
I agree with you about all these gliders and I am so glad to hear you say it. I got an advance epsilon 9. It was all I could afford. I'm flying heavy on the wing and I'm learning ground handling and I'm going to learn to be an epsilon 9 pilot. A lot of other people online think that I'm pushing my luck learning to fly that epsilon 9, and here you announced that you might be okay flying the high-end be glider for a learning glider. That really encourages me. I'm not going to have a pair of motor I'm just going to glide down hi'll catch thermal that kind stuff.
Thanks Kyle, thanks for the lesson on pitch and your explanation on what how ratings are gained. You have opened my eyes to other options
I was insistent on getting a Mojo when I signed up for training. Luckily my instructor insisted I not because he said I would get bored with it in 4 months. I am glad I had the sense to listen to him. Never regretted it.
I flew that wing once and only once!
what did u get?
@@1falconron I got a Revo 3 by Paramanaia.
Excellent video. I'm starting to learn on an epsilon 9. I'm fat and it's flying heavy. I appreciate your discourse on the nature of the differences between these classes. Thank you very much
I couldn’t agree more! Sara’s Mojo has without a doubt slowed her progression. For a smaller person, this wing is nearly impossible to inflate in nil wind.
Hey Justin! Next tim yall come through, let's give her a go on the Uni. I have one on her size!
Not only is this the highest level thinking I ever heard from an US-instructor, but it also mirrors my personal experience perfectly!
When I did my A-License over here in the Alps, I never really warmed up to my Ion 4... It's like my brain was thinking "What's going on? If I pull that brake and do this, I should be swinging in that direction!" Or I was waiting for pitch movements that we had learned to anticipate and correct, but they just never came so I almost over-corrected...
The Ion just damped all of that away, leaving my brain scratching it's head, metaphorically.... :-D When I got my next wing, a High-B Gin Explorer, everything made sense immediately! Suddenly what happened to me under the wing was in perfect sync with what my brain told me should be happening!
Lastly, something else that plays into that theory: If you rely on a Mojo (or other A-Wing you fly to be "safer"), 9 times out of 10 you would be better served either improving your skills, or realizing Paragliding/-motoring maybe isn't for you. The people who legitimately should be under a Mojo long term (or equv. wing) are few and far between.
Thanks Kyle. Always good to hear your perspective.
Kyle a smart guy, I look forward to meeting him one day.
Thank you Kyle O!!!! We appreciate the time you take to education us noobs. Well done. Be safe~!!!
Thanks Don!
Wow and oh shit. I have been flying a Mojo Pwr and have about 70 hours on it and I really wanted to buy a Sirocco 2 but I talked to my PPG instructor and he said to buy the spyder 3 first and then the Sirocco 2 after about 70 hours on the spyder 3 now I have a better understanding why. Thanks Kyle you did it again. A very informative video. Keep the videos coming.
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Spot on Mark. Is a nice progression of gliders too. You know when you're ready to take the next step, how big of a step is where the mentor comes in!
had to come back and watch this, I immed. purchased a roadster III instead of a mojo after training, thank you kyle'O
I've had a Mojo 5 for five years now, and I don't have the problem you're talking about. I fly on Buzz6, miniwing Zero 3,...I control all three wings equally.
Kyle, thank you soooo much! This was very helpful to me and I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge in a way newbies understand. You da man!
Appreciate the kind words David! Helping others helps me too!
Great lesson Kyle! Have never even thought about it like that. Love my 28m UNI!
Good info Kyle. Many thanks. I never bought a glider, but Im a little wiser now for when that day comes.
Im so glad you spoke on this. It answers a bunch of questions. I have wondered why people struggle with pitch control and it definitely seems appropriate to master pitch control. I think instincts help a lot with that.
It takes serious practice to master pitch control. The feel is not as pronounced as an asymmetry in the roll axis. Instinct is actually a good adjective to describe it, because what you do feel happens before the pitch change results, or correction is applied.
So, in essence learning to feel pitch is harder because it relys on developing those skills? Asymmetric is less pronounced but also needs less input as time passes. I think I read you right. I am still learning about that stuff. So far I understand where the wing has more power vs where it seems to have less. Those videos we're more boring but I'll get to them. If not for your talk on wind and weather I may not get it at all. Lol
Great video Kyle, thanks, I was looking for info like this.
Good Vid Kyle. I fly that dreaded Mojo you speak of, 26m. Got about 105 hrs on it, Matt is getting me a Calypso 24 to demo and probably purchase if it measures up to a 23 vantage2. That's my preferred next wing, as I've flown it a few times now, also flown Neil's 26 Falcon which seemed very fast on a zero wind approach, even fully trimmed. I'll say my mojo has served me well. I've done every move you can make on it just short of a B line stall. I have been banged around in very heavy turbulence with it midday in summer in some nasty thermals and she handles very well. I will not and do not ever use trims for takeoff anymore as it does have a tendency to "hang back" as you say on launch with nil wind...if, if you have any bit of trim. Open those trims and she will come right up and launch you no prob. I think it's unfair to judge student progression from a mojo unless they have first logged 100 hours on it. When I flew Neil's falcon for the first time at the Mississippi misfits meet this past Oct I had zero wind on launch. I did three practice fwd launches using a kiting harness. The first launch the wing did pop up quicker than I could react and it did frontal on me. I reset and checked the brakes a bit sooner on the next run. 2nd attempt was No problem, ran it out the length of the field. Gathered up and reset, did a 3rd fwd practice and it went well also, I then felt I could launch it with a motor. Went get my kit and fwd launched and was up in no time on my first attempt. I like my mojo, if I could change anything it would just be to give it a greater trim range. It has a pretty short range as you already know. The confidence I have in the safety of the wing has allowed me to progress and pull stunts I'm sure I would have never tried if I were on a spicer wing(starting out) and not had Matt to coach me through the maneuvers. I feel safe enough on it to do barrel rolls if only I could build enough energy, but 180 out wingovers are all I can manage on it as it dampens out all inputs so much. It's really forgiving when you don't apply enough outside brake pressure on that open trimmed 180 wingover and the wing folds back on you too. The 1/3 collapses pop right out before I even realized I didn't pull enough brake. It's a good beginner wing in my opinion, and I'm not just saying that because it's up for sale either. :) Btw, it's listed on FB "Paramotor things for sale" , I'll let it go as soon as My new wing selection is finalized. Cheers everyone! Fly safe!
Sucking it UA-cam there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if you can get good solid safety information out to the people you're a blessing to the industry.
My instructor (I'm close to my P2 free flight rating) is encouraging me to get a En-B rated wing as my first wing as well. We fly Gin wings, so most likely a Calypso or similar. His thought is that the B wing being a little faster can actually be "safer" as it can pernitrate wind better and get you out of situations where an A wing might not. I see your point on pitch control too. The Gin Beleros that we fly have never shot past me in a launch. Thanks Kyle, I appreciate your thoughts as always!
Gin is quality kit for sure!
Great video Kyle! It makes me feel better about learning on a B wing and having one as a first wing as well (Spyder 3). Pitch control is an invaluable skill to learn early on, and I feel much less prone to front tucks as a result, and with better surge control in flight. I think you and Ron Toran probably see eye-to-eye on this when it comes to training, but it would be fun to watch you and Eric Farewell debate the issue!
Kyle, GOOD discussion! Great information for a beginner or intermediate pilot. KUDOS!
Right on PJ! Thanks man.
I sure am glad I've got a Universal:)
As a Mojo flyer, I'm glad to see a video on this.
yes, I started out on a mojoe 5 2017 model and year. You have to hold them A's all the way, till the wing is over strait over my head. If I check the brakes it will do a front tuck. You do not have to check the brakes on this wing as you say. The only time I pull the brakes is to get some lift off affect once it center over my head and over 8mph. I got about 70 hours on it now. So im near ready for a better wing as you say. I trained on a gin A, and you do have to check the brakes on them during launch as you say. This wing is so safe I think you could fly it trough a hurricane with your eyes closed. Hands up. One of my flying buds has a dudek universal he like it real well. I think my school my also have one I can try out also. How much are they going for?
I learned on a mojo power , and purchased a Spyder 3....spyder is much smoother feeling, and less "boat"like. school wings were getting older,
As a brand new Pilot, I own the Mojo 5 and haven't experienced any of the issues you speak of, so I believe that this is a Salesmans pitch to buy a glider that you make more money from selling. Since Tucker Gott sells and endorses Ozone Mojo wings I'd love to see a debate between you and him on this subject.
@vincethrill457 As a new pilot, you still have a lot to learn. Nothing worth debating. Tucker is a friend of mine.
@@kyleogleewell since he endorses Ozone and sells them,and you put them down in this video, I'd love a retort from him seeing why he says they are great gliders, and you disagree with this... someone has to be wrong.
@vincethrill457 I use and own many wings from Ozone. Nothing against that company. They just cost more than is necessary for the value of the glider. I don't think you're grasping the spirit of this video. Learning on an A glider is fine, but you will outgrow it quickly...edit. just for clarity, I too am a dealer for ozone products, so your argument is kind of strange to me. The fact that someone endorses anything and has sponsors should be the biggest tell of all. Enjoy your ppg journey, holler back when you have tried out different kit for many years, then you and I can have a realistic conversation about the topic.
My first wing was a Mojo PWR and I have to agree with you pretty thoroughly. Thankfully I got to borrow other wings occasionally from my instructors and they taught me pitch control. I always launched my Mojo with the trims out for the reasons you stated. Even then, it's still slow to come up which is a huge problem if you have a little cross wind. It takes so long to come up that it falls over to the side before you have a chance to correct it...VERY frustrating. But, the nice thing about the Mojo is it's a slow and easy wing to land.
I got a Qubik last month and have been loving it. Launching is much more intuitive and controllable, but you definitely need some pitch control.
good points kyle, nice to hear you share your perspective on this. I started with a Awing, dudek nemo 4, I don't find it hangs back at all and ground handling gave me plenty of chance to practice pitch control, so it seems to have a little more room perhaps than the mojo, as it never falls back on me easily.
Great discussion, man! We hit 67° up here in MA today! Insanity - I was in a tee-shirt all day! The snow melted, the frozen ground thawed, and everything turned into a quagmire. No flying here. Trike would be sunk to the harness and prop, and your legs up to your ankles ... and that's just on the grass! It's a mess ...
I've got the Blackhawk / Velocity Core in a 32 - she big, but I got a trike, and I'm a complete self-training rookie. Probably better for me to stick with that one for a while. It does come up nice and easy, even for me, and even by hand (actually easier by hand than with the trike, but that probably has more to do with my LZ than anything). My biggest problem is throttle management, and what I should be holding where in my throttle hand. I had that all figured out, then the weather turned into a big steaming pile, minus the warmth, lol. I'll have to retrain myself all over again when spring comes. I was SO close to taking off, too, around the first week of November. Haven't even started the thing since. :(
Beginner here. Hope I ll understand your points in the future. Now it sounds like saying that ABS cars don’t allow you to develop proper breaking technique and sensitivity, which is true indeed but why do we need them when we can all be safer with ABS?
Because at some point in your progression you'll want to advance your skills. Having bad habits firmly in place will hinder this.
@@kyleoglee fair enough; but what if one doesn’t wanna do “car race”, just smooth rides? Isn’t he better off to start and stay with a class A than a steeper learning curve for something he won’t really need later?
It's not particularly steeper of a learning curve, just makes you a more well rounded pilot. Overall, being more well rounded will make you a better and safer pilot. You must understand that the gear is not what makes one safe. Indian not the arrow.
Awesome video, great info!
Is the Mojo PWR 2 any better than the other Mojos? What about for someone that has absolutely no interest in arco of any kind? Someone who just wants to go and explore and land, with the most benign flight possible?
I'd still skip it.
Good info Kyle...
OI!!!! Ive just been going through Funky Fellas tracks, I haven't found a track I don't like yet, don't think I will either.
Love the names of some of the tracks you have used!! =]
Yet again another fine vijayo from the Mr O
MacPara Charger is a great wing that I started with although the manual states at least 50 hours experience before flying it for some reason but my instructor started me on it. The only thing I did like about the Mojo is it plows through turbulence like a tank. I mean, somehow you just don't feel the bumps as much on it as other wings for some reason. Or at least that was my limited experience with it.
Charger is a fine option to go with. I've had good results using that model as well.
The old wing I bought for ground handling would over shoot and frontal like nobody's business. Took me a good bit of practice to effectively ground handle. I bought a mojo 5 as my first flying wing and immediately noticed the lack of input required to keep it from overshooting. I have no issues launching the mojo, but I have questioned if it's going to make me lose the skills I once had before I took my first flight. For now, I like its confidence for learning wing overs. Until I have those dialed, I can't justify an upgrade.
If you're doing advanced maneuvering such as wingovers, load up with ballasts, full fuel, etc. for enhanced performance.
So it’s basically like learning to ride a bike as a kid, but never taking the training wheels off. Great video as usual from my favorite YT drug dealer! 😉👍
Do you have any experience with Sol gliders? I have an Ellus L and I was wondering if you might have a few words of wisdom for me. I haven't even kited it yet. No chance to do it. It's always raining when I get home. If you find yourself in the Marrero area, reach out to me. I might be home.
Good info
I was looking at the Mojo when I got into this, got the MacPara muse 4 powered, and it will over shot you without brake management, but still a slow A wing.
Cheers
Listening to this I'm glad I learned to fly on an Ozone Rush (high B) :) There's a lot to be said for getting a wing that you can grow into, I would suggest that any modern B wing has enough passive safety for anyone. The Ozone Buzz seems like a good beginner wing, I suggest buy second hand for a first wing because you're inevitably going to thrash it during all those early mistakes, draggings, brambles and trees etc. ;)
Buzz is a fine choice!
I love your post. I bought a high-end B Wing. I'm learning to fly it. I picked it because I could afford the wing used and the lessons from the same place. There's nobody else here flying these things so I'm going to have to launch out a farm field. My main goal on thermal days is to fly up under a cloud, and throw out a box of cornstarch to make it rain. If I can get it to rain one extra time on my friends farm every other farm will be jealous and invite me to fly out of their farm.
@@markmcgoveran6811 .. I wish you good luck on your new venture, flying is the only real magic :)
Not sure about the corn starch thing, I'm guessing the only rain you'll get is corn starch rain ;)
Not that you want to fly a paragliding wing in the rain because a wet wing behaves poorly and if you get a collapse they can stick to themselves and recovery isn't guaranteed ...
Anyhow, enjoy and keep your mistakes small enough to learn from :)
@@freezatron The general idea is to fly upwind when from my friend's farm, pick a cloud that's headed towards his house. Fly up under the cloud by the edge of the cloud. Cornstarch is a good condensation nuclei for rain drops. After you throw out the cloud of dust you need to get on the speed bar. Get away from the rain and have the rainfall on the farm. I am trying to grow launching zones. Plenty of people show up on farms and throat rash around and make Farmers on happy to the point it's difficult to find someone to let you trespass on their property. I'm new at this and I'm going to be flying alone in charge of the cloud seeding squadron by my self. I have to come up with something to get myself the most choices for launch sites so I can get the ideal wind direction lined up with the ideal Hill on the ideal day.
@@markmcgoveran6811 ... sounds kinda crazy but I do like a bit of crazy, good luck luck with that :)
When flying a low enB wing on my siv ,i was telling my instructor how safe it was, the next day i found myself upside down in my harness and almost trew my reserve. My instructor told me: it pisses me off when people think they fly a safe glider, now that i proved you wrong ,we can proceed .
But O.G. what wing is the right wing for me??
very interesting ... from a paraglider beginning , i really struggle with all the reflex trims out hands off tip steering idea....how can you active fly the wing properly ??? i suppose trusting on the passive safety and trusting your kit! Here in the UK it seems the weather is always active and prefer to fly speed bar rather trimmers unless super calm conditions and feeling the brakes would be interested in your thoughts
Hi kyle. Love your videos. What about the kona 2. How does it compare to the mojo pwr and the spyder 3?
Very similar characteristics with S3. Both preferred over Mojo.
I'm stumped, I've already decided I want to train on a b but don't know which, spyder3 or universals.1.1 I can only trike due to disability.
Go Universal. More durable cloth for higher wear and tear during wheeled ops.
How do I get a hold of you? I currently have a Mojo Power small and having a heck of time with it. It only has 2 flights on it looking to trade for a Dudek Universal equivalent in size if your interested, maybe could use it for training.
Hi Kyle have you ever tried the Dominator and if you did what do you think of it?
Man Kyle O' you bring up some good points ..I started on a Mojo Pwr in School and immediately went to a Spyder ( old V ) I flew about 50 hours on that spyder with out any problems then I had to hang up flying do to a shoulder surgery so I sold my Spyder1 ..8 month went buy and I was ready to fly again I thought it would be a good idea to go back to a beginner wing so I purchased a Mojo Pwr Sml, Boy did I feel like I had lost all my ability to launch in nil winds and exactly as you said I was giving small break input and the wing was just hanging back and not wanting to takeoff I'm now 10 hours with this Mojo and I have gotten the hang of it but I'll be interested to see how I do when I fly my New Spyder 3 that I have sitting still in the unopened package from Ozone I just hope like you said I don't let it over shoot me on my first attempt and cause damage..Any ways less likely after watching this video I will have this in the back of my mind to look out for ..And for the record I do love the Mojo Pwr it will be my wing to go to for quite a while if not ever when conditions call for more passive safety..
Be sure to let us know how it goes from your perspective Eloy! Great information, and I'm happy you're healing well.
@@kyleoglee I'm thinking its all about being informed ..I usually fly by myself so didn't have any one to bounce info or help me critique my failed launches and even though I use field cameras and a helmet cam It took me a long time to figure out what I was doing wrong and why that Mojo was kicking my ass on Nil-wind and was really starting to think there had to be a problem with the wing LOL so yes after scratching my head for a while I found out not only that I had to hang on to the A's much much longer until the wing was directly over head but to start the throttle up and lean back with little to no breaks for the first few steps and mainly use the step under the wing if its lagging on any side and resist breaking as much as possible then when you start to feel obvious lift and your centered then increase throttle and apply brakes . I'm going to fly my Mojo a few more hours before unboxing the Spyder 3 but what I hope will come from all this is a Aha! moment that you need to know more about what ever wing your flying then I previously thought. It doesn't help that after 3 years in the sport I only have 70 hours in the harness I'm 59 Yo with total knee replacements and bad shoulder not only do i live in a hard to find near by areas to fly but as a poor working slob I also need to prioritize when I can fly.. All that being said I still cherish every min in the air.
Get out on that Spyder 3 man. You are gonna love it. I did a video on it a few weeks ago on my channel. I love mine.
@@MrCPPG lol I hear you but taking it out of the bag is like driving off the lot it will depreciate my mojo pwr still has that new smell and crispness..
@@nitro200flyer3 I totally get that. Mine sat for 3 months in the box. Everyone kept pestering me to fly it. Sonner or later it must be done. You wll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
UNIVERSAL!!!!!! Woohoo!!!!
Hey Anthony! You had the Spyder before Clint shredded it, right? I'd imagine the Spyder flys roughly same as the Roadster3 (which is what I have)... Now that you have the Universal 1.1, which wing do you prefer between it and the Spyder, and why? Graciouso!
I literally flew an A for 2 solo flights and then traded that in for a B. Best decision made. Currently fly the flow cosmos which is 🍒.
I hope to try out some Flow gliders sometime. Very curious I am!
@@kyleoglee beautiful gliders my friend and priced well.
Kyle, with the higher angle of attack due to the wing hanging back, is there increased danger of stalling on launch? I'm always surprised how back the wing is when I'm climbing out. For launch, many of the days inn AZ are nil wind and what you are saying mirrors my experiences.
Hi. Loving your channel, learning a lot. What’s your opinion on the dudek solo. 20 I’m 70kg and on a bulldog atom 80. Thanks in advance.
What do you think of the Dudek Nemo??
Very interesting! How does the Roadster 3 compare to the Universal
Those 2 models share very similar characteristics. Dudek again gets the nod by a small margin due to increased trim range, firmer brake pressures, and lower price.
I am a new P2 and primarily fly at Point of the Mountain, Utah. I chose the Mojo 6 and have about 4 hours on it so far. Is this commentary primarily directed toward PPG pilots? How much of this is applicable to regular PG pilots? Appreciate you making this video!
Thanks. Primarily PPG, but certainly also helps PG as well. With modern gliders, starting with a B and practicing enough to become proficient would not be considered unwise.
One day my brain was like wtf is pitch control and I bust a prop, back to more ground handling.
KyloO, would you recommend that someone advancing to an intermediate glider should spend a decent amount of time ground kiting it to try to work out that pitch control? For context, I currently fly a Roadster3 currently with 72 flights (~30 total hours)
Ground handling is recommended for everyone! As much as possible. The more you do, the better you are.
I want a Niviuk Kougar 3!!
Or, do you? 😋 Try out a demo if possible. It's never a bad idea!
what mojo did u use they got 2 3 4 5 now a mojo 6 for 2020. I got the mojo 5 2017.
I've flown all the newest models.
@@kyleoglee can u give me a call Ron 904/5782/8958
First you get the money Chico,
Then you get the power, then the girls... you tell Frank I’m going to the top... 😆
"THE WORLD IS YOURS"!
Soon.... very soon!!!
I'm sure you will advise me when to step up to a "b" wing , currently saving up for a MacFly Atom 80 .
From what I've learned, you could move up already. Not much separates the A from the B besides trims. Again, I'm learning.
I think there is a bit more to it than that paranman, but there is enough passive safety in most B wings for beginners, the Ozone Buzz seems an especially good B wing for beginners, it's a good all rounder with plenty of room to grow as a pilot :)
@@freezatron there's always a bit more. Lol I hear ya though. One day I will not be new. I love the challenge to grow though
@@freezatron my friend Sean, aka the ppg grandpa. Has a B rated wing and he started there. I for one am more into sensitivity and feel so I want that.
I learned to fly on an Ozone Rush (high B) because I wanted some agility and feel too so I totally get where you're coming from on that one :)
Like anything it depends on how adept you are and if you've flown anything else prior to paragliders, it all helps to develop sensitivity etc.:)
I've flown the UP XC Summit which is quite quick and has good feedback & agility, I liked it :)
It's a high B but for an adept beginner who is prepared to do 30 hours of groundhandling in a variety of conditions and then do lots of top to bottom flights on small hills etc. etc. and then get into flying it etc,
It's definitely a good wing with plenty of growing room but you have to be really honest about your innate ability....
I strongly suggest buying second hand to begin with though (get the wing checked out by a professional if you do or make sure it comes with a recent check out) as you will thrash it during your first year...
Will you be teaching yourself or getting lessons ?
I just bought the new Mojo 6, and have 8 bunny days, and 3 flight days off Marshall in San Bernardino, 4 flights. I just flew 2 hours on the Mojo 6. It's easy to kite and learn to fly. I'll bet this wing is an exception for an A wing, rated best in it's class for XC, and 28% less line drag. I'm finding as a beginner that the hang gliders are following me around because I catch more lift than the other older gliders...
I have the wifi here in Costa Rica to get your video notifications but not to actually watch your videos! Talk about bitter sweet! 🤣🤦♂️🤟
Pronounced "weefee" there too, right? 😂 Enjoy the weather G! Tell Cynthia hello for me!
I learned to fly a b wing so I don’t really know the difference.
I agree 100%
Indian, not the arrow kinda deal for sure!
I'm just starting out to paraglide I bought two wings off of a guy and he told me they are beginner come to find out their class c&d and it's professional I got them both up in the air but they're too quick now I'm stuck with them they're in top-notch shape I would love to try them for a beginner's maybe just one cuz after I get past the a and b-class I it so if anybody out there that's past a and d class and they're wanting to move forward to a professional Wing I would trade with you just let me know and I can send you to your phone
I learned pitch control the hard way!😫
Oh no! I would love to hear the story Ripman.
Got it. Mojo👎spyder👍 universal👍, I'm not super dell.😂🤣😂
Good One Kyle!!! Cathy’s mojo pwr is harder to inflate, compared to my spider, Ive noticed this myself. Maybe Cathy should work with mine & hone those skills. We’ll work on that - and let ya know next time we see ya ;0) Thanks Kyle!!!
good stuff... my wife wants in and I had been thinking mojo. would be nice to have her on the same as me, in her size of course. spyder3
Let me know if I can hook you up Derek! Would love to save you some $$$ if your looking at purchasing new!
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No what the hell is wrong with you the Dominator is the only wing to start and end with whats wrong with you super O.
Hi Kyle, What are your thoughts on the U-Turn blacklight 2?
Never flown one. Would love to try it out.