I personally disagree about them not dropping subtle clues that Diane was the killer in the episode. She’s the first one to blame someone in that scene of everyone blaming someone else, that being Tom, which coincided with her plan, and in that overhead shot of everyone arguing, she’s nowhere to be seen.
And there's a scene of Diane and Tom arguing and then being separated. She also says sorry to Jillian after she killed Derek. It's normal to say sorry to the family/friends of a deceased person, so it's easy to overlook, but in this case it's consistent within the episode. Edit: And Then There Were Fewer > Who Shot Mr Burns
I guess it is a clue, but the issue is that her very complicated reason for wanting revenge is hidden from the audience. You need to have multiple motives to truly have multiple suspects. EDIT: You can have a subversive twist but if you do it by dumping a metric ton of context it feels like cheating. Like, my favourite book in the Harry Potter series is the fourth one, and the reveal that Barty Crouch jr. was still alive works perfectly because that in itself explains a lot of the things that didn't make sense about the story, using an already established character. And his confession doesn't add any plot devices or motivations that weren't already present in the story.
You put into words exactly how I felt when watching these episodes as a tween to teen. It was frustrating for sure but at the same time there wasn't anything else on TV when I got home from school.
There is much better animation then Family Guy these days, think the creators have stop caring a while ago and only making episodes now to keep a steady cash flow.
i think brian writing an actually good script when he was much younger and it actually being good is a decent character moment. it shows how as he gets older and he stick his head further up his own ass, he's lost connection with what used to ground him and make him a good writer. especially because he totally bungles the show after the pilot gets made if i remember right. Also that joke about not being tolerant of sleeping with brian was extremely funny
5:50 For those that want to nitpick this bit of comparing Simpsons to Family Guy He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs came out on Sept 23, 2007 (Simpsons) Tales of a Third Grade Nothing came out on Nov 16, 2008 (Family Guy) Since it takes at least 6 months to animate an episode of Family Guy, this means that they roughly had 8 months to look at what the Simpsons did, and just out their own twist on the idea, but gave up after the first act. I only noticed that time difference while looking through my TV guide.
I personally feel Family Guy drop of was around mid 2010s but got better around season 16. But I always felt Family Guy had eras and you tell by the character writing depictions and its up to you the viewer what era of character and even joke writing works best for you.
Bonnie has been shown to be a bad wife ever since she gave birth to Susie. I guess being pregnant was her entire premise on the show. At first, it seemed like she was gonna be pregnant forever and someone probably asked one of the crew members and they went Okay, we're not gonna keep her pregnant forever, we'll do an episode where gives birth. I guess they didn't know what to do with her afterwards, so they made her a horrible wife
I've been watching a lot of King of the Hill lately and I really appreciate how the writers are able to transition between different baselines. When they had mined all the comedy and drama from the adultery subplot, they not only made a great episode showcasing how things were changing, but managed to find new and in many ways better comedy and drama in the emerging setup.
I think Road to the Multiverse would have been better if Brian and Stewie ended up in the Steve & Larry Oh What A Cartoon! short as it would be an alternate universe to the mainstream Family Guy world and a nice easter egg.
That would've been so much more interesting. They did do the Steve & Larry easter egg much later in the show but it just comes off pretty underwhelming.
Completely agree with the Mystery episode. I get its a fan favourite and the aesthetics are on point - but there really is NO mystery here because there are zero clues or structure. Key pieces of information, such as Diane being replaced on TV or her relationship with James or her intern, should have been teased throughout not just expo dumped afterwards. Likewise, the fact nothing pointed to Diane meant they had to reveal it was her through the stupidest mistake she could make, just bluntly stating that she bought a dress for her first solo news show already... and brought it with her? Its actually impressive how little work they put into the detective element. Oh and the version on D+ has this weird cut where they removed a Consuela joke about her thinking the word "vacuum" means more that it does, which is so odd they censored just this one joke of hers when FG has done far "worse" with her
Generally I like the rule of thumb that a story should be improved in some sense if you know the twist going into it. Obviously you miss out on the mystery and surprise, but you get to appreciate the clever ways the twist is built up. Of course, with this episode there's really nothing like that.
Man I just typed in “why I stopped watching family guy” and this didn’t come up. UA-cam SUCKS. Luckily I remembered I subscribed after the last one so I could find it!
18:21 Yup, that's pretty much 1/3 of modern Family guy jokes in a nutshell. The only jokes we get are: writers' biases/opinions on things, reference = joke, and longer is funnier. Outside of the show trying to be more disgusting in the 2010's era, most of what you said about seasons 7-9 still applies to the show to this day.
To me The Simpsons were still perfect and classic until season 13. Seasons 3-12 are my personal favorites of The Simpsons. That was when they were perfect.
I believe that the Simpsons was still good until Season 16, but I'd struggle to say when it stopped being perfect. One of my all time favourite jokes is from Season 10, which is when Professor Frink says "This isn't the monster-o-meter, it's the frog exagerator!"
@kcreviews8161 I did like the Halloween and Sideshow Bob episodes from seasons 13-19, and the two Rich Texan episodes where he has the scavenger hunt with Mr. Burns and the episode where Homer gets revenge on him for insulting him, and they do the revenge trilogy with Bartman.
It's generally agreed that The Simpsons hit its stride in season 3, started a slow decline in season 9 (specifically with the episode The Principal and the Pauper), and then began a much more dramatic decline somewhere around seasons 16-18. The reason they choose that episode is because it's the first time where an episode will radically undermine what we know about a character in order to facilitate the story. It's after season 9 that flanderization becomes a much more common problem and character backstories are more likely to change for an episode. Episodes like Lisa the Simpson (season 9) and HOMR (season 12) are examples of this happening even within good seasons.
This was an interesting retrospective overall. I agree that the show changed over the years. That being said, I still catch up with Family Guy to this day. The recent seasons can give me a few laughs per episodes. And sometimes, that's all I need from it. Keep up the good work, man.
Consistently excellent content yet again. And on the note of it mattering or not,, the interent is huge and virtually every niche is filled or fillable. You can do or say anything basically and have an audience. I think its safe to say it matters, because we are watching it
@@kcreviews8161 I had to come back to this comment since I was in a Home Goods this past weekend and heard a lady say "They don't have any plain rubbish bags." Oh New England. ♥
Fyi you mention how the UK seasons on Dvd didnt line up with the television releases - this is actually the same in the US but it was made slightly less confusing by the fact that in the US the dvd releases would be called Volumes rather than seasons so as to avoid the confusion. No idea why that didnt carry over to the UK releases.
Oh yeah! I'd like to see you talk about other shows too. Like the Simpsons or bob's burgers. I think it be cool to hear your thoughts on them. Lastly, this maybe just me, but I think the golden age of the Simpsons didn't end til season 22. I grew up with the early seasons, but as a kid fox would show season 10 and newer episodes when i watch on tv.
Cool videos! Thanks for this trilogy. Absolutely have to agree with how the series decayed, but particularly with how seasons pre cancellation were amazing.
This may sound way too harsh for family guy, but I think seasons 1-3 are overrated, to me seasons 1-3 of family guy feels like a slightly better seasons 9-12 of the Simpson’s, a show where all the characters are a bit more mean, having more dark comedy and the plots not mattering all too much but they still tried. I personally think family guy peaked at seasons 4-6, that’s where family guy feels like “family guy”, a show focused on telling goofy, wacky and mostly light hearted jokes with plots that literally do not matter what so ever. Seasons 1-3 of Family Guy are probably objectively better than family guy seasons 4-6, personally tho if I want objectively better I’ll just watch classic Simpson’s 😅
That's actually a fair point and something that did cross my mind myself. In fact it was one thought I had in relation to my conclusion. Family Guy actually has a more unique identity now compared to in Seasons 1-3 where it's much more of a generic animated sitcom.
Id still take Scully era Simpsons and even Season 13 (which he did have some input in too) over early Family Guy personally though it certainly could be funny
The characters in the modern era of Family Guy are so different compared to their earlier seasons counterparts. Makes me wonder if they’re even the same people.
I have tried rewatching Family Guy and it actually makes me feel miserable because of how horrible the characters are...but they're written in such a strange way where I'm not even sure the writers know if they are meant as such or not.
Yeah season 7 was when Family guy lost its spirit and charm and perfection. The animation got different and too much cgi, the characters changed and became bitter, and Stewie stopped sounding like a true British man, he began to sound like a American doing a very poor and who cares type of tone like Seth MacFarlane's heart wasn't in it. Also Brain became different. The only good episode was Love Blactually and the only good part of Not all dogs go to heaven was the Stewie meeting Patrick Stewart part. Season 7 was a huge red flag warning of what Family guy was turning into.
I would say season 7 is the last semi classic season of Family Guy. Before it fully lost it's silly charm in season 8, with the characters getting even more pessimistic and unloving.
In my opinion Family Guy had either good or bad episodes from season 7 to 16. I can’t think of a single episode from any episode from season 17 and after that I like… except the one where Peter eats out Babs.
Peter had already developed tendencies of hurting children by the fourth season, in the episode "The Cleveland Loretta Quagmire" and it can be said that he was already a psychopath in the first three seasons due to his battles against the giant chicken
The best example I have of how modern Family Guy sabotages its own comedic potential is the first episode of Season 15 when Brian and Stewie start a band. At the end, when Stewie asks who Olivia is going to continue the band with, Brian says “probably some dog we’ve never met” before they show Olivia with Vinny. That joke would’ve been really good if Brian never said that. Instead, it completely ruins the joke by making it fairly simple to guess what will happen. Humor should never be lazy or predictable. Family Guy does both way too often.
as a disabled gaymer, i don't feel anything when i see new joe. he was at least more amusing in season 4 era when he was blatantly overcompensating because that's an exaggeration of something disabled people do. joe's just the same boring joke every time and is probably the most limited character in what they want to do with him, besides maybe chris
These seasons is where you can really tell the decline is the writing starts to take a nosedive. The comedy becomes much more hit or miss, plots are more nonsensical & hollow, and the characters started becoming much more unlikable. It's also around these seasons where most of the OG writers left the show so that would explain some of Family Guy's decline in the writing. The creator even stopped writing around Season 4.
The biggest thing Family Guy has going for it in it's decline and possible attempts at improving is that earlier Family Guy while very good is not a impossibly high standard of writing compared to early Simpsons.
That's a good point. I could imagine family guy even today having the odd epsiode that is as good as it's ever been. That feels impossible for simpsons
2:39 That’s not true; it’s not only British people who say it, and it does vary from person to person in the States. Also, it’s used in pretty much every other English-speaking country, too
They leaned into Brian being an Atheist because creator Seth McFarlane is one. I always found this to make little sense because they have shown to hang out with Jesus and saw him perform miracles so he should at least know he exists.
I mean, I also got bored with modern day Simpsons. Family Guy nowadays is just playing it safe without much risk, and it has become very dull and boring. Seasons 10-16 may have more value, but season 17 onwards is just very dull.
This must've been the time when Cherry Chevrap... I can't spell her last name, but anyways, it was at that time when she came on board to Family Guy and became a producer/writer on the show and the episodes started to take a fall
@@kcreviews8161 Cherry is Seth's lifelong domestic partner and became one of Fuzzy Door's Chief Producers in 2005. When she and him started seeing each other.
I remember the exact scene that made me drop the show. Carter was trying to get to Peter and slowly destroyed a public bench with a backhoe for what felt like five minutes
Love these vids. Although as a vehement Classic Simpsons fan, gotta say that Season 19 is execrable and middle-era Family Guy is far and away more entertaining than late teen -20s Zombie Simpsons dreck. But yes great vid lad. Interestingly enough, the UK DVD Season 8 is also when I first felt a noticeable decline, and I was about 10 when that came out.
I find late teen simpsons to be more depressing because it's so much worse than peak simpsons, but I think by some standards it's still better written than Family Guy
Oh my God thank you I thought I was crazy for not liking the stewie brain safe scene exactly as you said they don't care it's clearly fake and completely unearned.
I remember seeing the whole suicide discussion clip out of context on UA-cam before I saw the full episode. I assumed that it was a sombre moment of a standard episode. Finding out that it was actually just part of a special episode specifically written to clearly lead up to some big Stewie-Brian moment was disappointing. That's the one big thing Family Guy would need to get better at to be good. Actually having things feel integrated into a plot organically
The reason you don't see an episode where Cleveland leaves quahog is because that is the pilot of the Cleveland show. Also i would say the Quagmire vs Brian is already a bit developed by this point
That’s a good description. I feel Season 9 is more meh because of And Than There Were Fewer, Trading Places, New Kidney In Town, It’s A Trap, and my Christmas episode in general Road To The North Pole.
It's a shame this series ended right before you've had a chance to touch on Seahorse Seashell Party, because HOO BOY. That episode is Family Guy at it's absolute lowest point. It's everything wrong with Modern Family Guy neatly compressed into a single episode, it is profoundly awful in a way only a handful of other episodes down the line even come close to reaching.
It's basically a whole lot of unfunny jokes, and a poorly done abuse story with Meg. Were she comes to the conclusion that she should be abused, so her family don't fight???
im gonna be honest, i never liked brian change of personalitty of the smartass of the family into this phony douche not only have make him more unlikeable but it makes hard to make comedy with outside of been the punching bag or "oh oh brian said something dumb/wrong", i miss seasons 1 to 3 brian. and i hate how much of his original characterization went to quagmire, it feels like after macfarland stoped helping with the writing they deside to make his avatar the mos unlikeable as posibble.
3:23 Yeah, people keep insisting that Family Guy is so obsessed with the cutaways, when those people have been watching nothing but just the newer seasons these days. People don't know or forget that there actually exists a time in Family Guy during these seasons where some episodes have more story and hardly any cutaways. Heck, "Family Guy Viewer Mail #1" and "Brian & Stewie" go full force by having no cutaways at all and those episodes are not new.
Which episode is it where Brian flirts with an underage girl? I can only remember him hitting on Meg's friend Patty MUCH later in the series and the image with him talking to the blonde girl at the airport? doesn't ring a bell
Having gone back I don't know if she's exactly underage but it's in "Brian writes a bestseller" This is the interaction: Brian: "So are you still in school?" Her: "Graduating this year" It's possible "in school" means university. My initial impression was that this meant she hadn't graduated from High School, and in my mind anybody who's not out of high school yet is underage, but I guess she chould be 18. Still definitely creepy considering Brian is generally characterised to be decidedly an adult
But if I, a Japanese American said that I don’t care about 9/11 because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I’m sure this same writer would label me as a traitor and tell me to go back where I came from. 🙄
Off-topic, but the thing about that meme at 17:12 is that even if you took what that graph says to be true, it wouldn't prove that religion repressed scientific advancements. Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt were all societies so religious that the notion of atheism didn't even exist, and yet - look how much progress that graph shows them making!
Family guy imo is by far the worst of all notable animated sitcoms The Simpsons, South Park, KOTH, Bobs Burgers, Bojack, Rick and Morty, The Boondocks, Futurama and I could probably think of 10 mores shows where the writers weren't lazy because “its just a cartoon” Even some 15 minute adult swim shows like Robot Chicken, Morel Orel and Mike Tyson Mysteries are better written and more creative than an average episode.
The atheism bits in family guy are weird. They feel less like jokes and more like preaching. Although you can say that ten fold for the Simpsons. Seriously take all the Christian jokes and line them all up. It's hard not to believe there's an agenda on display after seeing all that lol. Also I'm surprised you didn't talk about Not all dogs go to heaven in the atheist part of the video. I think the video would have been better if you left out this part. Cause you don't have anything to say. Good video!
@@germanlureag I would hate it too. Family guy is supposed to make you laugh not crush your faith in an attempt to convert you to atheism. Furthermore, the fact that it's an ego centric acholic dog who promotes atheism makes it funny and sad at the same time.
I think your emphasis on atheism (if not the video's emphasis) is way overstated. Yes, there is **extra** emphasis on it in the seasons in question (which the video points out), but, overall, there's far fewer references to it than almost any other subject, especially "big" subjects like, say, ethnicity/racism, homosexuality/homophobia, gender/misogyny, wealth/inequality, and violence/self-harm. Family Guy pokes fun at what's big or popular in society, whether it's a cultural or historical icon (e.g. a celebrity), or history or culture itself (e.g. Christmas), and so, even though agnosticism is increasingly popular in America, it doesn't have the same currency for mockery as religion because it remains such a huge component of the American -- and global -- fabric; religion is tied to very obvious symbols and events. (For what it's worth, I would say Christianity itself is mocked far, far more infrequently than Judaism (mostly at Mort's expense) and Islam.)
@@mrcool1519 You can play semantics all you like, but someone born a male who dresses like a woman, acts like a woman, wears parts of their anatomy like a woman (whether just hair and nails, or something more surgical), and uses a woman's name and pronouns is what we in society call a "trans woman". In my opinion, you might as well call them a woman, too, but you don't even have to hold that belief to at least afford this person the dignity of respecting that they identify as "trans" or a "trans woman".
@@mrcool1519 It's literally a FACT that people use the words "trans woman" to refer to people who were born male but now look and behave like a woman. That's not up for debate lol.
I disagree with you on the murder mystery episode. Of course they didn't show any clues that Dianne was the killer, it's supposed to be a surprise. That's the most well written episode in my opinion
which family guy series is the most offensive most political which push its limits for boundaries out every series ever done but you would only series 1-9 so that will do for me why dont you do southpark after this
@@germanlureag S8 2008-09 is Clumsy. The Premiere was sloppily written. The Home Alone Sendup had a Disappointing payoff, Man With Two Brains had a copout ending, 420 was hit or miss, The OJ Simpson episode alongside Family Gay were just made for Shock Value, and The "Meg becomes a Christian" was just ponderous and self righteous(The ONLY good thing was the B Plot of Stewie hanging out with the TNG Cast). The So called Season 7 was WEAK. S9 2009-10 or "Season 8" had Emmy Winning Road to Multiverse, Dial Meg For Murder, Dog Gone, Brian dating Rita, The Evil Monkey Story Arc coming to a great end, Peter getting Amnesia, the Introduction of Ida, Introduction of Jerome and a pretty funny Season closer after such a brilliant Season premiere.
TIME for Family Guy to be better again & have jokes that dont look down on us viewers and making Brian, Peter, Lois & many other characters that started as great to awful to great again. Family Guy DONT need to be mean-spirited, gory, disgusting & filthy, ESPECIALLY all the time! And NO stupid jokes, ESPECIALLY that drags for a long time! Family Guy went DOWNHILL like Simpsons, My Little Pony: FIM, Steven Universe & Rick and Morty!
Family Guy is officially on Hiatus from FOX. New Episodes have been pushed ALL The way back until February 2025. Hulu will have a couple of Holiday Specials this Fall. But that's it.
Seth McFarlane be that white guy who claims he’s an “ally” and a “friend” but as soon as he sees a person of color heading his way, he crosses to the other side of the street. 😂
I personally disagree about them not dropping subtle clues that Diane was the killer in the episode.
She’s the first one to blame someone in that scene of everyone blaming someone else, that being Tom, which coincided with her plan, and in that overhead shot of everyone arguing, she’s nowhere to be seen.
And there's a scene of Diane and Tom arguing and then being separated.
She also says sorry to Jillian after she killed Derek. It's normal to say sorry to the family/friends of a deceased person, so it's easy to overlook, but in this case it's consistent within the episode.
Edit: And Then There Were Fewer > Who Shot Mr Burns
I guess it is a clue, but the issue is that her very complicated reason for wanting revenge is hidden from the audience. You need to have multiple motives to truly have multiple suspects.
EDIT: You can have a subversive twist but if you do it by dumping a metric ton of context it feels like cheating. Like, my favourite book in the Harry Potter series is the fourth one, and the reveal that Barty Crouch jr. was still alive works perfectly because that in itself explains a lot of the things that didn't make sense about the story, using an already established character. And his confession doesn't add any plot devices or motivations that weren't already present in the story.
Dan the man?
Family Guy taught me to die a hero rather than live to see myself become a villain
Ehm, this is sounding horrifyingly like a suicide note
Nah. Villains are interesting. Family Guy became boring and annoying
It's Family Guy dude relax.
Consider this: Seth MacFarlane himself has gone on record saying that he believes the show should have ended after Season 7
Makes zero sense, you can say the same thing to zombie simpsons.
You put into words exactly how I felt when watching these episodes as a tween to teen. It was frustrating for sure but at the same time there wasn't anything else on TV when I got home from school.
I feel like this pretty much sums up my view of these seasons. I don't like them, but I'll watch them if they're on.
There is much better animation then Family Guy these days, think the creators have stop caring a while ago and only making episodes now to keep a steady cash flow.
i think brian writing an actually good script when he was much younger and it actually being good is a decent character moment. it shows how as he gets older and he stick his head further up his own ass, he's lost connection with what used to ground him and make him a good writer. especially because he totally bungles the show after the pilot gets made if i remember right. Also that joke about not being tolerant of sleeping with brian was extremely funny
That's a good point! I didn't really think of the age difference significance!
That is such a good point that I honestly don't think it was intentional. It's so uncharacteristically smart of the show to do that.
5:50
For those that want to nitpick this bit of comparing Simpsons to Family Guy
He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs came out on Sept 23, 2007 (Simpsons)
Tales of a Third Grade Nothing came out on Nov 16, 2008 (Family Guy)
Since it takes at least 6 months to animate an episode of Family Guy, this means that they roughly had 8 months to look at what the Simpsons did, and just out their own twist on the idea, but gave up after the first act.
I only noticed that time difference while looking through my TV guide.
I personally feel Family Guy drop of was around mid 2010s but got better around season 16. But I always felt Family Guy had eras and you tell by the character writing depictions and its up to you the viewer what era of character and even joke writing works best for you.
Bonnie has been shown to be a bad wife ever since she gave birth to Susie. I guess being pregnant was her entire premise on the show. At first, it seemed like she was gonna be pregnant forever and someone probably asked one of the crew members and they went Okay, we're not gonna keep her pregnant forever, we'll do an episode where gives birth. I guess they didn't know what to do with her afterwards, so they made her a horrible wife
It says a lot about the writers competents that they would turn her into an awful person right after having her give birth.
They are incapable of writing characters that aren't assholes or victims.
I've been watching a lot of King of the Hill lately and I really appreciate how the writers are able to transition between different baselines. When they had mined all the comedy and drama from the adultery subplot, they not only made a great episode showcasing how things were changing, but managed to find new and in many ways better comedy and drama in the emerging setup.
Yeah. Since Bonnie probably just meant to serve as a foil to Lois because of Bonnie having stand by your man attitude.
I think Road to the Multiverse would have been better if Brian and Stewie ended up in the Steve & Larry Oh What A Cartoon! short as it would be an alternate universe to the mainstream Family Guy world and a nice easter egg.
I know they did that episode where they go back to the first ever episode, which is actually quite a clever idea
That would've been so much more interesting. They did do the Steve & Larry easter egg much later in the show but it just comes off pretty underwhelming.
There actually was an episode around Cleveland leaving the show, it was just called 'Pilot' and aired between seasons 7 and 8.
Completely agree with the Mystery episode. I get its a fan favourite and the aesthetics are on point - but there really is NO mystery here because there are zero clues or structure.
Key pieces of information, such as Diane being replaced on TV or her relationship with James or her intern, should have been teased throughout not just expo dumped afterwards.
Likewise, the fact nothing pointed to Diane meant they had to reveal it was her through the stupidest mistake she could make, just bluntly stating that she bought a dress for her first solo news show already... and brought it with her? Its actually impressive how little work they put into the detective element.
Oh and the version on D+ has this weird cut where they removed a Consuela joke about her thinking the word "vacuum" means more that it does, which is so odd they censored just this one joke of hers when FG has done far "worse" with her
Generally I like the rule of thumb that a story should be improved in some sense if you know the twist going into it. Obviously you miss out on the mystery and surprise, but you get to appreciate the clever ways the twist is built up.
Of course, with this episode there's really nothing like that.
Man I just typed in “why I stopped watching family guy” and this didn’t come up. UA-cam SUCKS. Luckily I remembered I subscribed after the last one so I could find it!
18:21 Yup, that's pretty much 1/3 of modern Family guy jokes in a nutshell.
The only jokes we get are: writers' biases/opinions on things, reference = joke, and longer is funnier.
Outside of the show trying to be more disgusting in the 2010's era, most of what you said about seasons 7-9 still applies to the show to this day.
So glad to see a part 3! love this series
Glad you liked it!
4:00 Never noticed how the way he grabs the balloons in the background makes no sense perspective-wise lol
To me The Simpsons were still perfect and classic until season 13. Seasons 3-12 are my personal favorites of The Simpsons. That was when they were perfect.
I believe that the Simpsons was still good until Season 16, but I'd struggle to say when it stopped being perfect.
One of my all time favourite jokes is from Season 10, which is when Professor Frink says "This isn't the monster-o-meter, it's the frog exagerator!"
@kcreviews8161 I did like the Halloween and Sideshow Bob episodes from seasons 13-19, and the two Rich Texan episodes where he has the scavenger hunt with Mr. Burns and the episode where Homer gets revenge on him for insulting him, and they do the revenge trilogy with Bartman.
Enjoyable? Sure. Perfect? In season 12-13? Hard no
It's generally agreed that The Simpsons hit its stride in season 3, started a slow decline in season 9 (specifically with the episode The Principal and the Pauper), and then began a much more dramatic decline somewhere around seasons 16-18. The reason they choose that episode is because it's the first time where an episode will radically undermine what we know about a character in order to facilitate the story. It's after season 9 that flanderization becomes a much more common problem and character backstories are more likely to change for an episode. Episodes like Lisa the Simpson (season 9) and HOMR (season 12) are examples of this happening even within good seasons.
This was an interesting retrospective overall. I agree that the show changed over the years. That being said, I still catch up with Family Guy to this day. The recent seasons can give me a few laughs per episodes. And sometimes, that's all I need from it. Keep up the good work, man.
Thanks!
Consistently excellent content yet again. And on the note of it mattering or not,, the interent is huge and virtually every niche is filled or fillable. You can do or say anything basically and have an audience. I think its safe to say it matters, because we are watching it
To be fair, my family from Boston always said rubbish. And parlor for some reason.
It's a wonder why they even bothered having that tea party seems like the Bostonians are still basically British
@@kcreviews8161 I had to come back to this comment since I was in a Home Goods this past weekend and heard a lady say "They don't have any plain rubbish bags." Oh New England. ♥
Excellent series, looking forward to what you do next!
Thanks so much!
please keep making videos, your commentary is equal parts insightful and entertaining :)
Thanks so much!
@@paper-machete Happy to see Zorak is enjoying KCs video's
Fyi you mention how the UK seasons on Dvd didnt line up with the television releases - this is actually the same in the US but it was made slightly less confusing by the fact that in the US the dvd releases would be called Volumes rather than seasons so as to avoid the confusion. No idea why that didnt carry over to the UK releases.
English is my second language and I say "ruined" like Stewie 😅
Oh yeah! I'd like to see you talk about other shows too. Like the Simpsons or bob's burgers. I think it be cool to hear your thoughts on them. Lastly, this maybe just me, but I think the golden age of the Simpsons didn't end til season 22. I grew up with the early seasons, but as a kid fox would show season 10 and newer episodes when i watch on tv.
Cool videos! Thanks for this trilogy.
Absolutely have to agree with how the series decayed, but particularly with how seasons pre cancellation were amazing.
Yay!! I love your point of view KC
This may sound way too harsh for family guy, but I think seasons 1-3 are overrated, to me seasons 1-3 of family guy feels like a slightly better seasons 9-12 of the Simpson’s, a show where all the characters are a bit more mean, having more dark comedy and the plots not mattering all too much but they still tried.
I personally think family guy peaked at seasons 4-6, that’s where family guy feels like “family guy”, a show focused on telling goofy, wacky and mostly light hearted jokes with plots that literally do not matter what so ever.
Seasons 1-3 of Family Guy are probably objectively better than family guy seasons 4-6, personally tho if I want objectively better I’ll just watch classic Simpson’s 😅
That's actually a fair point and something that did cross my mind myself. In fact it was one thought I had in relation to my conclusion. Family Guy actually has a more unique identity now compared to in Seasons 1-3 where it's much more of a generic animated sitcom.
Um, I'd say 4-6 was meaner than 1-3. Not by much (compared to later seasons), but still...
Id still take Scully era Simpsons and even Season 13 (which he did have some input in too) over early Family Guy personally though it certainly could be funny
The characters in the modern era of Family Guy are so different compared to their earlier seasons counterparts. Makes me wonder if they’re even the same people.
I have tried rewatching Family Guy and it actually makes me feel miserable because of how horrible the characters are...but they're written in such a strange way where I'm not even sure the writers know if they are meant as such or not.
I know right.
Most past FG season 4 just ain't for me these days.
That's pretty much how I feel
My favorite joke is the Directv rambling in that episode.
Totally agree, well said. The episode Seahorse Seashell Party is the episode Family Guy died.
Yeah season 7 was when Family guy lost its spirit and charm and perfection. The animation got different and too much cgi, the characters changed and became bitter, and Stewie stopped sounding like a true British man, he began to sound like a American doing a very poor and who cares type of tone like Seth MacFarlane's heart wasn't in it. Also Brain became different. The only good episode was Love Blactually and the only good part of Not all dogs go to heaven was the Stewie meeting Patrick Stewart part. Season 7 was a huge red flag warning of what Family guy was turning into.
I would say season 7 is the last semi classic season of Family Guy.
Before it fully lost it's silly charm in season 8, with the characters getting even more pessimistic and unloving.
@@Randomlad.0737 not, since season 7 was worst
@@germanlureag Well I did say season 7 was a "semi-classic season", implying the decline started in season 7
In my opinion Family Guy had either good or bad episodes from season 7 to 16. I can’t think of a single episode from any episode from season 17 and after that I like… except the one where Peter eats out Babs.
Despite the few episodes that stick out in a good way, this period of the show is imo the worst point in the entire series
Peter had already developed tendencies of hurting children by the fourth season, in the episode "The Cleveland Loretta Quagmire" and it can be said that he was already a psychopath in the first three seasons due to his battles against the giant chicken
The best example I have of how modern Family Guy sabotages its own comedic potential is the first episode of Season 15 when Brian and Stewie start a band. At the end, when Stewie asks who Olivia is going to continue the band with, Brian says “probably some dog we’ve never met” before they show Olivia with Vinny. That joke would’ve been really good if Brian never said that. Instead, it completely ruins the joke by making it fairly simple to guess what will happen. Humor should never be lazy or predictable. Family Guy does both way too often.
as a disabled gaymer, i don't feel anything when i see new joe. he was at least more amusing in season 4 era when he was blatantly overcompensating because that's an exaggeration of something disabled people do. joe's just the same boring joke every time and is probably the most limited character in what they want to do with him, besides maybe chris
These seasons is where you can really tell the decline is the writing starts to take a nosedive. The comedy becomes much more hit or miss, plots are more nonsensical & hollow, and the characters started becoming much more unlikable.
It's also around these seasons where most of the OG writers left the show so that would explain some of Family Guy's decline in the writing. The creator even stopped writing around Season 4.
And he stop being in the writer's room after season 9
The biggest thing Family Guy has going for it in it's decline and possible attempts at improving is that earlier Family Guy while very good is not a impossibly high standard of writing compared to early Simpsons.
That's a good point. I could imagine family guy even today having the odd epsiode that is as good as it's ever been. That feels impossible for simpsons
2:39
That’s not true; it’s not only British people who say it, and it does vary from person to person in the States. Also, it’s used in pretty much every other English-speaking country, too
Well I learned something new. To me "rubbish" feels like a very British word and I can't imagine Americans saying it
They leaned into Brian being an Atheist because creator Seth McFarlane is one. I always found this to make little sense because they have shown to hang out with Jesus and saw him perform miracles so he should at least know he exists.
I mean, I also got bored with modern day Simpsons.
Family Guy nowadays is just playing it safe without much risk, and it has become very dull and boring. Seasons 10-16 may have more value, but season 17 onwards is just very dull.
This must've been the time when Cherry Chevrap... I can't spell her last name, but anyways, it was at that time when she came on board to Family Guy and became a producer/writer on the show and the episodes started to take a fall
The budget all went to writing her name
@@kcreviews8161 Cherry is Seth's lifelong domestic partner and became one of Fuzzy Door's Chief Producers in 2005. When she and him started seeing each other.
I remember the exact scene that made me drop the show. Carter was trying to get to Peter and slowly destroyed a public bench with a backhoe for what felt like five minutes
I'm not British and I say rubbish, probably because I love the British and wish I was.
Based TBH
@@kcreviews8161 thank you🥺💕
Patiently awaiting your Fanily Guy Star Wars parody reviews
I have it scheduled!
...but not for a few weeks
Glad to hear it, take all the time you need
I think you nailed it
Love these vids. Although as a vehement Classic Simpsons fan, gotta say that Season 19 is execrable and middle-era Family Guy is far and away more entertaining than late teen -20s Zombie Simpsons dreck. But yes great vid lad. Interestingly enough, the UK DVD Season 8 is also when I first felt a noticeable decline, and I was about 10 when that came out.
I find late teen simpsons to be more depressing because it's so much worse than peak simpsons, but I think by some standards it's still better written than Family Guy
Oh my God thank you I thought I was crazy for not liking the stewie brain safe scene exactly as you said they don't care it's clearly fake and completely unearned.
I remember seeing the whole suicide discussion clip out of context on UA-cam before I saw the full episode. I assumed that it was a sombre moment of a standard episode. Finding out that it was actually just part of a special episode specifically written to clearly lead up to some big Stewie-Brian moment was disappointing.
That's the one big thing Family Guy would need to get better at to be good. Actually having things feel integrated into a plot organically
Nice video man! Maybe you could make a video about American Dad? It's like Family Guy's more competent cousin
Definitely thinking about looking at American Dad going forward!
Honestly my next video might be on that Mr Birchum show
@@kcreviews8161 Alright nice!
The reason you don't see an episode where Cleveland leaves quahog is because that is the pilot of the Cleveland show.
Also i would say the Quagmire vs Brian is already a bit developed by this point
Why would they have shot the Brady bunch in 16:9
Future-proofing
Season 7: Alright
Season 8: Annoying
Season 9: Some good, but mostly bad
That's a very fair assessment!
That's an accurate description of those seasons.
@@mechajay3358 Thanks
That’s a good description. I feel Season 9 is more meh because of And Than There Were Fewer, Trading Places, New Kidney In Town, It’s A Trap, and my Christmas episode in general Road To The North Pole.
It's a shame this series ended right before you've had a chance to touch on Seahorse Seashell Party, because HOO BOY. That episode is Family Guy at it's absolute lowest point. It's everything wrong with Modern Family Guy neatly compressed into a single episode, it is profoundly awful in a way only a handful of other episodes down the line even come close to reaching.
I'll probably do some sort of video covering parts of later Family Guy at some point too!
It's basically a whole lot of unfunny jokes, and a poorly done abuse story with Meg.
Were she comes to the conclusion that she should be abused, so her family don't fight???
Yeah Seahorse Seashell Party is the episode Family Guy died.
im gonna be honest, i never liked brian change of personalitty of the smartass of the family into this phony douche not only have make him more unlikeable but it makes hard to make comedy with outside of been the punching bag or "oh oh brian said something dumb/wrong", i miss seasons 1 to 3 brian. and i hate how much of his original characterization went to quagmire, it feels like after macfarland stoped helping with the writing they deside to make his avatar the mos unlikeable as posibble.
3:23 Yeah, people keep insisting that Family Guy is so obsessed with the cutaways, when those people have been watching nothing but just the newer seasons these days. People don't know or forget that there actually exists a time in Family Guy during these seasons where some episodes have more story and hardly any cutaways. Heck, "Family Guy Viewer Mail #1" and "Brian & Stewie" go full force by having no cutaways at all and those episodes are not new.
Which episode is it where Brian flirts with an underage girl? I can only remember him hitting on Meg's friend Patty MUCH later in the series and the image with him talking to the blonde girl at the airport? doesn't ring a bell
Having gone back I don't know if she's exactly underage but it's in "Brian writes a bestseller" This is the interaction:
Brian: "So are you still in school?"
Her: "Graduating this year"
It's possible "in school" means university. My initial impression was that this meant she hadn't graduated from High School, and in my mind anybody who's not out of high school yet is underage, but I guess she chould be 18. Still definitely creepy considering Brian is generally characterised to be decidedly an adult
That’s not even the worst example. In S11 E4 he sleeps with a 15 year old girl…
@@aidomiya3401 Oh dear....
If i remember right, a family guy writer said that didn't feel bad about the tsunami that hit Japan because of Pearl Harbor.
But if I, a Japanese American said that I don’t care about 9/11 because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I’m sure this same writer would label me as a traitor and tell me to go back where I came from. 🙄
Off-topic, but the thing about that meme at 17:12 is that even if you took what that graph says to be true, it wouldn't prove that religion repressed scientific advancements. Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt were all societies so religious that the notion of atheism didn't even exist, and yet - look how much progress that graph shows them making!
Family guy imo is by far the worst of all notable animated sitcoms The Simpsons, South Park, KOTH, Bobs Burgers, Bojack, Rick and Morty, The Boondocks, Futurama and I could probably think of 10 mores shows where the writers weren't lazy because “its just a cartoon”
Even some 15 minute adult swim shows like Robot Chicken, Morel Orel and Mike Tyson Mysteries are better written and more creative than an average episode.
implying that Morel Orel is lesser than other shows because of the episode length is kind of shitty.
@@AnAverageGoblin didn't mean it that way
Seth's father Ron really does look like Father Christmas
The atheism bits in family guy are weird. They feel less like jokes and more like preaching. Although you can say that ten fold for the Simpsons. Seriously take all the Christian jokes and line them all up. It's hard not to believe there's an agenda on display after seeing all that lol. Also I'm surprised you didn't talk about Not all dogs go to heaven in the atheist part of the video. I think the video would have been better if you left out this part. Cause you don't have anything to say. Good video!
Seth is a militant atheist who, according to himself, wants to give sermons in favor of atheism at that time but has only made them hate him more.
@@germanlureag I would hate it too. Family guy is supposed to make you laugh not crush your faith in an attempt to convert you to atheism. Furthermore, the fact that it's an ego centric acholic dog who promotes atheism makes it funny and sad at the same time.
I think your emphasis on atheism (if not the video's emphasis) is way overstated. Yes, there is **extra** emphasis on it in the seasons in question (which the video points out), but, overall, there's far fewer references to it than almost any other subject, especially "big" subjects like, say, ethnicity/racism, homosexuality/homophobia, gender/misogyny, wealth/inequality, and violence/self-harm. Family Guy pokes fun at what's big or popular in society, whether it's a cultural or historical icon (e.g. a celebrity), or history or culture itself (e.g. Christmas), and so, even though agnosticism is increasingly popular in America, it doesn't have the same currency for mockery as religion because it remains such a huge component of the American -- and global -- fabric; religion is tied to very obvious symbols and events. (For what it's worth, I would say Christianity itself is mocked far, far more infrequently than Judaism (mostly at Mort's expense) and Islam.)
As a trans woman, I was very anxious when you were talking about Ida but then you brought up Brian and I burst out laughing lol
"trans woman" no such thing exists
Not cool, mr. Cool. Trans women and men do exist, and this is coming from someone born a woman.
@@mrcool1519 You can play semantics all you like, but someone born a male who dresses like a woman, acts like a woman, wears parts of their anatomy like a woman (whether just hair and nails, or something more surgical), and uses a woman's name and pronouns is what we in society call a "trans woman". In my opinion, you might as well call them a woman, too, but you don't even have to hold that belief to at least afford this person the dignity of respecting that they identify as "trans" or a "trans woman".
@@BowieZ nope try again
@@mrcool1519 It's literally a FACT that people use the words "trans woman" to refer to people who were born male but now look and behave like a woman. That's not up for debate lol.
I disagree with you on the murder mystery episode. Of course they didn't show any clues that Dianne was the killer, it's supposed to be a surprise. That's the most well written episode in my opinion
You don't know how murder mysteries work do you.
This person watching watching Knives Out: boo, why did they tell us Ransom’s first name was Hugh?
Great video series, nicely done. Yeah look Family Guy sucks. Those atheist jokes got old very quickly
I think the only time they made fun of atheism is when Quagmire called Brian out on it as he uses it to make himself look smarter.
Cado a video on south park
which family guy series is the most offensive most political which push its limits for boundaries out every series ever done but you would only series 1-9 so that will do for me why dont you do southpark after this
The End of Family Guy
10:08 same.
7 was the last good season
I own all 7 on dvd
no, the 7 is bad
We all know why you picked "that" picture for the thumbnail ;))
It's a dirty game this thumbnail making business and ain't nobody willing to clean it
2:28 ...h...huh? I thought family guy invented it
A lot of people from the southern US pronounce those words like that. They'll pronounce the word white as hwite
Honestly difficult not viewing shows like this as propaganda, especially after that Hiroshima "joke".
Actually the A Bomb was necessary to win WW2
no really
For me personally, I think Season 7 was the last great season, I still enjoyed the show afterwards but not as much.
no, the season 7 is the worst
@@germanlureag I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
Season 7 is alright, but I do agree that it has the last remnants of classic Family Guy.
@@germanlureag S8 2008-09 is Clumsy. The Premiere was sloppily written. The Home Alone Sendup had a Disappointing payoff, Man With Two Brains had a copout ending, 420 was hit or miss, The OJ Simpson episode alongside Family Gay were just made for Shock Value, and The "Meg becomes a Christian" was just ponderous and self righteous(The ONLY good thing was the B Plot of Stewie hanging out with the TNG Cast). The So called Season 7 was WEAK.
S9 2009-10 or "Season 8" had Emmy Winning Road to Multiverse, Dial Meg For Murder, Dog Gone, Brian dating Rita, The Evil Monkey Story Arc coming to a great end, Peter getting Amnesia, the Introduction of Ida, Introduction of Jerome and a pretty funny Season closer after such a brilliant Season premiere.
TIME for Family Guy to be better again & have jokes that dont look down on us viewers and making Brian, Peter, Lois & many other characters that started as great to awful to great again. Family Guy DONT need to be mean-spirited, gory, disgusting & filthy, ESPECIALLY all the time! And NO stupid jokes, ESPECIALLY that drags for a long time! Family Guy went DOWNHILL like Simpsons, My Little Pony: FIM, Steven Universe & Rick and Morty!
Family Guy is officially on Hiatus from FOX. New Episodes have been pushed ALL The way back until February 2025. Hulu will have a couple of Holiday Specials this Fall. But that's it.
Sub a lub a dub dubbed
I’m sorry I said that, but I did subscribe
Say it however you like! Appreciated!
Why do people take Family Guy so seriously, goddamn.
Bro watches family guy with his mom wtf
family guy is WOKE librels
Haha. "librels"
Seth McFarlane be that white guy who claims he’s an “ally” and a “friend” but as soon as he sees a person of color heading his way, he crosses to the other side of the street. 😂
@@spirithero2446 he doesn't fully devote his life to christ- i mean butt secks so he's not TRULY on my side