Motion to turn 2 parking lots into affordable housing struck down: Hamilton council
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Hamilton city councillors have voted against a motion that would have seen two parking lots in Stoney Creek transformed into affordable housing projects.
The staff recommendation proposed taking the parking lots found at 5 and 13 Lake Avenue South and turning them into new sites for affordable housing builds.
If passed, the motion would have brought 67 new units to the area.
"Special significance" bruh...it's a parking lot...
I'm a veteran. Go ahead and build on the Veteran's Lane parking lot, just make sure some of the units go to veterans. We need affordable housing more than having a parking lot named for us.
Also keep in mind ALL land across Canada is owned by the King of England. You can own a home, but Canadian citizens do not hold the right to own the land surrounding or under the house. So what do Canadians do when the Crown decides they want that land for something else? Ultimately they can take it by force. Force you off it, despite you paying the property taxes on it for decades and maintaining the land. Oh and remember, they don't even need the CAF to do it now that they've treacherously given Battalions of CCP Army Canadian cold weather combat training. They can just bring in a bunch of them to force you out.
@@johnhendrixson8133 This isnt remotely true and hilarious to consider anyone would think it is.
@@kyletrusler4565 nice try "kyle". open your eyes
@@kyletrusler4565 This is 100% true. Canadian Citizens have NO RIGHT to personal property. If you don't know this, you aren't an actual Canadian.
@@johnhendrixson8133How does one write something like this and not think they're not right in the head lol. I'm reading this like you're wheezing by the end of your paragraph and it's so funny.
This is peak Ontario. Bravo. We've outdone ourselves.
Says a lot about the Hammer.
How about one 3 level parking garage and one 10 floor apartment complex with parking garage?
Oh exactly having demand for services isn't a problem it's a benefit.
Parking garage with public transit station with affordable apartments on top. Even add a small strip mall with coffee shops etc. Throw some solar panels on it and have those feed city lights downtown.
$$$ all the way around
No more trash around businesses. NDP should house these homeless in their own property
@@kevin8-f1fWe already know who's paying for these affordable housing. Not the Welfare people, not the people collecting a disability check per month from the government. But the middle working class citizens, that barely make enough money to put food on their table and put gas in their car.
@@static_Tricolor_camry I'm not sure you're point, unless it's to say "that doing anything is expensive for taxpayers ". Unless you have a bone to pick with people that want hand outs. But regardless.
A project as I described would be expensive. However proper planning into having business that pay rent that would be put to the building property maintenance. Add a public transit station something taxpayer's already pay into to help off set the cost. Add moderate green energy, off set the cost the city pays for hyro in non crucial infrastructure like street lights. Multi level parking let's other businesses downtown have more customers. This would create jobs in the construction but also long-term jobs from building staff and maintenance to coffee shop employees, transit workers and other members of the city, it would also stimulate the downtown economy.
It's actually a great plan for with long-term sustainability and could be incredibly lucrative while providing affordable housing.
I'm not saying we should be spending billions for upscale apartments for the homeless with the money collected from people like myself and I'm assuming yourself, that work very hard to have what we do. But I would suggest we make well planned long-term plans and investments that solve more then one problem.
if you do that, you can no longer build affordable housing as the cost would increase the final price
Of course the community doesn't want low income housing in their area. Low income is associated with crime. They will vote it a no for whatever made up reason. More power to the Mayor for stepping in and try to do the right thing.
Crime maps are basically just population maps (as are a lot of maps showing the distribution of things).
I hope those people don't mind giving up their driveways or front lawns instead. What a bunch of spoiled brats!!! Disgusting
Have you seen the crime that comes with affordable housing? It's brutal. Residents dodged a disaster!
@@lazloperry5242 Ah yes, the solution is to just let people go homeless what genius idea why haven't you won a Nobel prize?
@@lazloperry5242have you seen the crime that comes with homelessness??
@officiallynrgxlr8tr about as much as low income. The residents don't care about the accommodations, just need a place to hit that fent
@@stevhao8420 How many are you willing to take in?
Good for Matt Francis. Enough old building that should and need restoration for citizens and cities. CREATE then parking crisis.
Nice town. The Ti-cats suck and the NHL will never come.
What the heck is affordable housing?...never seen it anywhere, it never happens
Some people call them "government trap houses" paid for by taxpayers.
just re-add the spots to the plan
the personal vehicle is king.
it sucks up an inordinate amount of resources in all cities budgets,
from roads to parking to blocking public transit.
people need housing? who cares.
my F150 *needs* a place to park for 8-10 hours while I work.
or 10 minutes while i get some chips,
more than someone I don't care about needs a place to live...right?
This has nothing to do with parking, as these new developments could have parking built into them or have underground parking lots. Sounds like people don't want low income people moving into the area and have convinced council members to vote against new housing.
Those guys with pick up trucks are the only reason you city people have anywhere to live or have any food to eat.. without them you would freeze and starve..
@@chrisbrunette9495 you mean the monster shiny ones taking up 2 spaces on the tarmac at the mall?
the ones that have never seen a gravel road,
or carried anything more than a bag of groceries or a big mac?
or do you mean the ones that are actually used to get work done.
@@Chaoitcme ...or the council members, like our provincial government, have "other plans" for them. but I digress. I'd be willing to bet that before there was a parking lot,
there was housing of some sort on these.
it's that parking is more important than housing.
@@kidmohair8151 The new housing where I live in the Greater Vancouver Area has parking incorporated into the buildings with underground parking offering more spaces to accommodate the influx of new people.
It does not mean that there will not be parking available if this was developed into housing.
It is clear that there is more to this than council not wanting new housing over loosing parking.
"Is it really fair to get rid of these parking lots?" So parking lots are a priority over putting a roof over some poor person's head? Seriously? We're lost.
there is probably lots of places to build, affordable housing does not mean cheap, its a developer slang for not luxury
@@wishteria234 Yes, there were two parking lots. We need housing more than parking.
Promises to use Empty high schools. Broken promises. I was born and raised here as my schoolmates did too. My Dad's wartime dream house was built in 1953 I was born in that house in 1955. Go look after clean drinking water for the schools. Open empty schools for people ro live.
A much needed Affordable housing yet the City Council is more concerned about a parking lot, it's because it's affordable housing and some businesses are not welcoming people who are in desperate need, so disappointing
Vomit
Why bother. Don't waste our time and tax money. She already said if the vote doesn't change, she'll do it anyway
Who's it gonna be for the immigrants or actual canadian citizen's
We sure those housing units will be "affordable"?
No. They won't be built because of the people lying about their reasons for opposing it in the video. If you have to lie, then are you sure you're doing something right?
so the Mayor has already decided by herself, does not believe in the voting process. wow
Ford enabled it with his Strong Towns legislation.
Didn’t Trudeau give money for housing?
YES he did and PP gave cheap slogans
Out of touchshe is
why not just make sure you have additional parking in the buildings plan?
Is that parking lot the ONLY area to build affordable housing units?
No, we could build a bunch of housing out in the edge of the city where it takes an hour to get anywhere, would you want to live there? People want to live close to stores, services, jobs and friends, and that's not compatible with using half the city for parking.
There's literally abunch of boarded up "condemned" buildings they could use on that same block. There's a massive leather factory that closed down years ago across from the "Good Shepherd" Homeless Shelter that they could fit more than 67 beds in but they're just looking for a project to overspend & waste tax dollars on
@@yshabashhow about rhat leather factory that's been boarded up for decades directly across from the Shepard downtown Hamilton? Quit making excuses
@@yshabash you are obviously not a city planner. No offence.
rats
These people have no working permits, no spare money what they going to buy...chairs?
Why not just get a whole bunch of campers and make it a trailer park for the time being till it gets sorted out?
What is affordable housing?
Is that when I get to work two jobs for my house and then have to pay for someone else?
Free housing for drug addicts and criminals and yes, we hard working citizens pay for it. Got to love Liberalism.
Well at least repave it 😂
Yeah, if the budget won't allow it, you can always cancel a school breakfast program or close a library to free up some cash.
More like illegal migrant camp centers 🤣
Realtor bribery. keep the demand high. where are Francis' investments ? build a parking tower too ffs. more tenants = more clients
Yeah, people are there, and crime lives downtown as well along with low income housing
However the biggest CRIMINALS are RICH GREEDY BUSINESS PRACTICES WHO REFUSE TO PAY LIVING WAGES SO PEOPLE DON'T NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEY COULD ACTUALLY AFFORD TO PAY RENT OR MORTGAGE IT'S OVERPAID POLITICAL LEADER'S GREED THEFT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS LIKE GREENBELT SCANDAL CAN APP SCANDAL ECT AND GOVERNMENT SUPPORT FOR BIG GREEDY BUSINESS PROFITS HAS CAUSED CANADA CRISIS
Typical screw the paying public
Aren't the Councillors there to represent the people in their ridings and vote accordingly? So how can the Mayor think that it is okay to ixnay what the citizens want and just do what she wants to do. Why bother voting on it.
Correct, if the mayors are allowed to override elected councillors representing their constituents then we have lost our democracy.
Brilliant ❤
Affordable housing is not $700,000 and unfortunately the people that are going to live there will not be people shopping in the downtown. They’ll be investment buyers of the units renting them out at extreme prices and no one will live there anyway at least not the type of people in order to thrive at the downtown.
Hamilton has plenty of boarded up buildings and empty lots we could use for these projects instead, maybe instead of trying to put affordable housing in the richer parts of the city like stoney creek you could stop making jokes and come grace us with your presence near the ghettos instead.
Those boarded up buildings were the old “affordable housing “ , they kicked everyone out so they could build the LRT, wasn’t it worth it!? What a glorious LRT we have in exchange for the homeless
Exactly. "Downtown" Hamilton is a ghost town.
Build it bigger and make parking space underground and ground floor
When there's people there who are actually going to be customers at the downtown businesses. What is the probability of that?
"Affordable housing" = Rental units
Canadians want to own thier homes 🤦♂️
Everything that is shown for parking completely changes when there is snow on the main streets etc.
OMG, can we get these barnacles out of office already? I'm so sick of the worst timeline.
You can't find anywhere to park in this city, So where are the people that live there going to park???? On Andrea Horwath's street ????
Load them up with immigrants.
Good discussions but there must be a better idea for both.
parking spots for people who actually work and contribute to society are more important than flop houses for low life bums who can't be bothered to actually work for a living.
I get your sentiment, but when even those people find it hard to find a place it pushes up rental and housing prices.
Which do you think is more likely to create national stability and growth?
A: More homes that foster the creation of nuclear families and future generations of workers and taxpayers that are not immigrants.
B: A parking lot.
🤔
It's low income, not no income. It's tragic to see this kind of bigotry against working class folk. Workers got to live somewhere and it's important to have low income housing for all the workers the city wants to hire to do important things. Like teachers, fire fighters or trash collectors. It's that of increase taxes to pay people properly. But folk don't want that either. It's selfish.
@@doctormo Yet when you make their problems into my problems - that's NOT "bigotry"?
@@Darius-uj1gv
No, it's not. Y'all have problems because y'all have a society. There is no their problems or your problems, they're y'all problems and running away from them is needlessly expensive.
They don't want their neighbourhood to be the crime centre
People don’t want their property value to go down. The sad truth is that it wouldn’t be filled with struggling families,they will be filled with junkies and stoney creek would turn into downtown Hamilton
Common sense prevails ,finally
Big spenders
Down towns thrive when people are able to drive to visit them, and are not deterred by excess parking fees. Stop virtue signaling.
So you drive to downtown areas to shop by walking around, huh? You don't order everything for delivery and lie about things like this? The fact that the word "affordable" which doesn't mean "subsidized" makes you hate it says a lot about you. It's so easy to get people who are far from rich or middle class to hate anyone they think is a little worse off.
Is this sarcastic?
The opposite is true: business actually picks up once cars are banned (assuming the areas is dense enough): due to local pedestrian and cycling traffic.
Cars are noisy and dangerous: scaring away pedestrian traffic.
“ Cars are noisy and dangerous: scaring away pedestrian traffic.”
TIL pedestrians in Hamilton are five years old or ‘tistic.
FINALLY USELESS PARKING LOTS SHOULD BE USED FOR HOUSING , DONT CUT DOWN FOREST OR DESTROY WILDLIFE!!GOLF COURSE SHOULD BE NEXT!!!!,
Let me say what they could not. GO BACK WE"RE FULL and have are own issues to deal with. That sounds like a threat Mayor!!!!
All you doing is building more slums
You get commie blocks! You get commie blocks! You all get commie blocks!