MORNINGSTAR, Controversial Leaders, and Praying for the PROPHETS
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Here are some words of wisdom concerning the latest upheaval in the prophetic movement in addition to a recent prophetic vision that admonishes us how to pray.
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Here are some words of wisdom concerning the latest upheaval in the prophetic movement in addition to a recent prophetic vision that admonishes us how to pray.
Chris Reed Ministries UA-cam channel:
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I was healed in both rotator cuffs (at different times)! Praying for you!
Thank you for addressing this. We need this wisdom to help us discern what God is doing. Continuing to pray, "May Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
I wanted to say also, that you WANDA, are one of my favorite also. I pray for you so JESUS can use YOU to bless many many many who really need discernment and wisdom in the body of CHRIS🙏❤️🙏
You are 100% right!!! Thank you for sharing your wisdom about Chris and Rick. God’s not done with Chris Reed and I am anxious for him to get going again because he is a strong voice at this time. God bless!
Amen
Prayers for quick healing 🙏🙏🙏
Wow, awesome Wanda💕You have addressed a complex issue, with maturity and clarity. This is how the Saints need to be taught. Well done.💕
How wise! Right on Wanda, thank you so much.
Regarding Rick Joiner, which is exactly what I thought, he did not respond well and muddied the situation further. I appreciate your words and how you clarify what is important. God Bless you and your ministry.
Thank you Wanda for much needed wisdom for the body. So needed. I deeply appreciate your input
Thinking the same thing. A timely word.
So good, thank you Wanda. A house divided against itself can not stand Mat 12:25 The enemy is throwing so many distractions our way in this crucial time, please pray for our leaders and for one another as we battle against what the enemy is doing in the nations.
Thank you so much for sharing these words of wisdom from the Lord. The body needs to learn discernment exactly like this. I have prayed MUCH over the situation with Chris Reed; God brought me to the same understanding as you shared here. I appreciate you addressing these issues on your platform. Blessings in Christ.
Another excellent reaching that will help the body of Christ to navigate these difficult days. Wanda, you are spot on! PTL
every christian is the Lord's anointed. not merely some leaders..
@susangriffis1588
Yes, we are all anointed, every believer, but leaders carry also an anointing for their specific position.
Thank you for these wise and kind words. Healing must come to the Body of Christ. The enemy has “snuck in under the door” so to speak - like smoke - in the church. Because discipleship has been neglected in the church for so long the people of God are vulnerable to subtle entities coming in bringing philosophies that are demon authored because many aren’t even sure there is a devil let alone how to conduct warfare against him. Thanks again for your faithfulness to teach what we need to know so we can win this battle - because we do win because of our magnificent Jesus Christ!
Only God knows the heart.
Well said, I'm 100% in alignment with this beautiful incite, ❤
I’m glad you are speaking about this specific situation. I don’t agree Rick Joyner stand that there must be eyewitnesses willing to sign a document and also face the person they are accusing. Minors should not be held to this requirement.
They are already traumatized. Chris Reed resigned but I doubt for the reason he stated. The woman involved with Chris Reed gave her own UA-cam interview about her relationship with Chris. There was more involved than Chris disclosed and not acceptable in a leadership role. Then 2 of the teens that were part of that community and lived there stated that they witnessed activities that should not have happened at a Christian ministry. Discernment is crucial for us. I’m glad that God exposes for the restoration and healing of those involved. God’s gifts are without recalling. I sensed that there was something off.
I sensed someone trying to make more of something with the lady & Chris Reed. Something felt really off with me when she was talking. I think both men & women can go off the rails but I have seen too many girls trying to take guys down too.
31:40 I drove to Lakeland from Virginia with my husband and son for the revival as well, and God's presence and power were very much there!
Excellent Wanda, thank you so much
Thank you for the wise counsel. This is very timely!
An observation I have shared with my wife and a few close friends is that the "culture / politics" in the Church Office, Monday through Friday, can be vastly different from what is preached in the Sanctuary on Saturday and Sunday. Mercy, Grace, and Forgiveness are taught on the weekend, and backstabbing and throwing people under the bus is practiced Monday through Friday in too many Church Offices.
Yes just pray for all of them . Hallelujah! Armor of God daily I stand in the gap .
Such wisdom and so balanced
It's OK to sit through a hard rebuke. It's actually good for us
Pray for all the Victims not just the Prophets
We cannot forget All Have Fallen Short. Repentance, a time apart with the Lord and good counsel should lead to restoration if sought.
I agree with you Wanda. They are both great men of God,I have learned from both and there is an absolute anointing but Rick did not deal with this correctly.
Well said Wanda.thank-you😊🙌.
Thank you Wanda for sharing your thoughts. I have followed a couple of videos from the three of them and I, too, am disappointed in RJ's reaction and words against Chris in all of this. It gives a bad feeling to hear RJ's words, pretty much bashing Chris and demeaning him, as if to raise himself to a higher level. This is not how a Christian leader should be helping one who HAD fallen (but reconciled). Poor example by RJ, even tho he definitely has an annointing. I pray this is reconciled in a better way.
Amen Wanda! Good job!
Wanda,
We need to consider that the stroke that Rick Joyner had in April 2023, has affected his thinking and reasoning processes. Many people who undergo a major surgery, after they recover, some changes in the brain occur. From my observation, on the physical side of these issues, a totally different Rick Joyner has emerged.
On the spiritual side, we need to consider that Chris Reid is a prophet who can can see and receive from heaven. This kind of prophet is a real threat to the enemy and he will try to undermine Chris's calling and ministries. Prophets that operate from an earthly vision are not a threat to the enemy. Only those who have access to heaven and operate from heaven are those who are needed in the Body of Christ for what the Lord is presently using in His Church.
I stand with Chris Reid and his calling. As for Rick Joyner, I consider that he has suffered a physical injury that has blurred his vision. I pray for him as well. Great men of God who the enemy wants to disqualify.
That was very well said or written. Right on!
This is some much needed context that would explain a lot. Thank you.
Can you not see Chris R is a liar?
You really need to do some homework, concerning the serious abuse of Todd Bentley toward youngsters. Rick “restored” Todd and had no remorse nor took any responsibility, all before the stroke. There’s a pattern with Rick, over a lot of years. Putting these people on such a pedestal is exactly what has enabled this kind of foolish and abusive tolerance.
Yes, exposes comes,hallelujah! God also said he set a limit global and then judges comes but in this comes revival and change in Church global in this new era. Also then comes exposes.
Chris Reed should *not* have been promoted to leadership again after his moral failure and inappropriate relationship with the student was exposed. However, Rick's heart is for restoration and the leaders promoted him anyway. Unfortunately, that was not a wise decision and Rick and everyone else can see it now.
Exactly. Chris supposed to be supervised by 15 months, instead Rick promoted him after 2 months of restoration . Rick said he misjudged Chris? Really? 🥺
Good word Wanda. The part that's being left out is that MStar is being sued by parents of children that were abused at the church years ago before Chris Reed was there. Chris disagrees strongly with Rick Joyner on how this should be handled. This is why Chris chose to resign.
Great point, and speaks well of Chris. I wonder if the information was deliberately leaked against Chris, as retaliation. Timing is suspect.
Wanda, thank you for your perspective on this matter. Your the voice of wisdom and reason. These men that have fallen have been cocky. Pride goes before a fall.
1 Peter 5 / James 4:10: "Humble yourselves before the Lord, so that HE will exalt you / lift you up . . .
The sheep/ leadership have exalted these ministers, putting them on a pedestal.
They took satan's bait and gave themselves kudos. Hence, pride goes in, and they run with it. Instead of resisting the devil. Ministers taking office should go through extensive teaching and counsel on Humility.
Wanda, you look years younger. Looks great.
TURNAROUND!
The church isn’t meant to be the head of the body of Christ. Jesus is supposed the head of each person or each marriage. People have to choose who their head will be: King Jesus or the Institution of the church.
A house divided cannot stand. The Lord is exposing where the loyalty has been & who’s taken advantage of it. Many are unknowingly doing this. Jesus should be our only head, not an institution.
Praying you’ll see the truth through Jesus’ intent when he gave governing authority to the ecclesia, not the institution of the church.
Praying you’ll feel better soon ❤ btw emotional roots to your shoulder pain is anxious, overwhelmed and overworked. Praying for restoration 🙏🏼
I agree that Christ is the Head of the church based on the Scripture I read. I also agree that it is the Ecclesia that is the true Body of Christ (I simply use Church as the familiar term). Blessings!
I just feel in my heart that Chris Reed has a good heart, as the Holy Spirit led me to pray for him, my heart went out to him.
I have to agree. I watched his recent videos and feel he's sincere. It had a lot of info.
Heard Jan Jansen's testimony about Jeff on Elijah Streams. I see some similarities here with Chris too and other leaders who fell, like Lonnie Frisbee. Abuse when they were children, a successful and fast growing ministry that placed great pressure on them. Rick has admitted to his church that he tested Chris by allowing him to bear the full weight of the ministry very early on.
In these examples these leaders cracked under pressure and the wounds from the past were exploited by the enemy and they did not or could not stand against those attacks.
II Corinthians 7:10 NKJV
[10] For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
We need to take inner healing more seriously. It seems to be something neglected with clergy. And like the verse above says it has led in some cases as total destruction of that person. But if handled well leads to Godly repentence like with the Apostle Peter.
Blessings!
Good word 😃
Girl thank you ma'am for talking about this
I was hoping you would address this. Bless you!
It seems that Chris Reed is getting a whole lot more grace than the other fallen leaders. We need to be careful. There are victims in this situation too.
I have been at the School of the Prophets since the beginning when Chris started it. I love and value both Chris and Rick, and am sad to see this playing out in public.
I appreciate the way you are instructing and handling the scandal and controversy in the church.
The "advocacy " groups that are throwing these prophets under the bus are just kicking their brothers when they are down.
I believe If we can keep our eyes on Christ and not on man we will not be so tripped up when these things happen.
Wake up and win interviewed the woman CR got involved with. Very truthful i found her. Wish certain others would come forth with the truth of what they did.
Know it, for sure. Eli is falling - 1 Samuel 4:18 . Let us pray 🙏
SOUTHSIDE CHICAGO ☘️🙏
Thank You Wanda, it is as I was thinking too. There is none perfect, but what are we called to do when we sin? Confess one to another, be forgiven and sin no more. This is something Chris seems to have done years prior. If God has forgiven him, who am I not to?
I followed Todd also, printed out and made a book of everything. As soon as it came out I was 💔 threw it all out.
Chris' resignation letter was full of self preservation. If he felt he needed to move on, why didn't he go to Rick and tell him and ask how they could transition and what kind of timeframe did Rick need. None of MS leadership had a heads up, very immature on Chris' part.
ROBIN BULLOCK, one of my favorite Prophets. I listen to many, I learn from all of them, and they all make me grow in the Lord. If 85 to 90% of what a person says edifies me, I keep listening, no matter what. I have an invisible trash can where I put the little things I don't agree with. Chris was never one of my favorites. I didn't agree with his government's dreams or prophecies. There were something in them.... I can't explain it, but it didn't satisfy me. Some things he said bothered me or didn't give me peace. But of course I will PRAY for him. He is a child of GOD and is still anointed even though he made mistakes. In the Bible, there is NO ONE perfect ... Only JESUS.
I always had a strange feeling about him.
I liked that you tackled this subject for unity in the Body & did well as an unbiased observer.
I also don't know much about either minister personally. I think perhaps an important element is missing though--Morning Star is being sued about something that happened before Chris took over any duties. Involving his past, seems more like a distraction to what MS needs to be focusing on.
A familiar tactic the accuser uses.
I am praying for healing, awakening, & unity w/n the Body. ❤
I agree with what you said. I do notagree with how Rick Joyner is handling this. He was in son in the Lord. It just feels he's putting him under the bus. Rick has blessed many with his word and his anoiting but not this.
You haven't watched Chris' videos then. They are bad. And note that Chris doesn't allow any comments on his channel but Rick does. Rick at least acknowledges his errors.
It is really sad to see how quickly some Christians will throw another under the bus when serious sin is revealed. It doesn't speak to humility or the fear of the Lord who is the only perfect judge. No wonder so many Christians do not open up and seek support, healing and restoration. Many non Christians are turned off by the perception of self righteous Christianity and that is why some stay away from church. Yes serious sin must be addressed. However, the situation needs to be brought before the Lord first. It appears that the leaders are more concerned with their reputation by association with the fallen, than their restoration. Where is the love and humility of Christ?
Rick Joyner is a member of the Knights of Malta. Defends this stating that he refused to leave this organization because of a bunch of paranoid people. He defends this organization as a positive force. That’s not what my research has found, nor those on the membership list. I’m not sure where to place Rick. But I agree he needs prayer.
Why can't our Father be separating Chris Reed from where he was for multiple reasons including protecting him.
A lot of the body of Christ responds carnally to reports of carnality and think they're doing the right thing. Harsh finger pointing is someone trying to deflect attention away from the darkness still operating in themselves. Where is the love?
The problem with the Charismatic Church is that for years we only focused on The Anointing but not on The Fruit of The Spirit and Character. The Church especially leaders have to have both. Leaders in the body of Christ have qualifications stated in Scripture. Stop only looking at The Anointing. That is why The Spirit-filled Church is in such trouble and many unhealed victims are lining the streets not helped. You never speak to the victims but only the leaders. I think you have missed it this time.
I totally agree concerning the lack of fruit over the anointing. This has always been my stance in all my videos. I’ve also spoken about the victims - but I am called to equip and empower leaders. That’s why I focus on them. Blessings!
Thank you very much for this Wanda. There’s so much “throw the baby out with the bathwater” and that’s not a good thing either. I stopped following Rick Joyner many years ago because of something he said that didn’t sit right with me and I’m wondering if that might be part of the issue in the body. Our seeming inability to see that or feel that check in our spirit. It’s that still small voice and God will use that to direct you this way and that. we get so enthralled and caught up emotionally, but we don’t take time to sit quiet and read -‘well what is this person really saying and does it line up with scripture?’ Of course I do realize I’m speaking very generally, and there are many in the body of Christ that are very attentive)“Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.”
Isaiah 30:21 NASB1995
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It is sin not misconduct. It is clergy abuse. Being accurate does not always mean it comes from God having character comes from God.
He who has no sin cast the first stone
So true!!!
Are you saying that no one is allowed to call out Chris Reed, unless they have no sin?
Chris has been thrown under the bus by RJ and Morning Star in general.
whenever a big and famous leaders fall, they are being defended because of their "anointing, gifting" not to mention they are famous and have done "great things..." and then it is always mentioned "the devil wants to destroy....or that "for we fight not against flesh and blood..." for sure, given that is true because it is from the word of God....but what about talking also about the leaders' character, integrity and humility? Aren't those also bible basics? So however anointed, however big, however huge the leaders are, if they fail, if they sinned, can they not also be admonished as regards their character, integrity and humility? That being said, wouldn't it just be at least also be a fresh breath of air especially for ordinary (the nothings) believers when these fallen leaders will just humble themselves and say, "sorry, we are wrong and we have wronged you..." just simple as that would bring a breath of fresh air and hope in faith...in short, Chris Reed and Rick Joyner can just say to the public. "Sorry, we have wronged you, we failed you....."
I’ve heard Chris Reed say he was wrong numerous times. And I agree concerning a humble heart and attitude. I do not defend any leader’s wrong behavior simply because of their anointing. Simply addressing those that want to throw out everything a leader ever did, if and when they fall. Blessings.
Me too....❤
Can you imagine being in Kathryn’s position? Clergy abuse
Correct many peophetic people are mostly blind to themselves. Some prayed and believed that they are supposed to go on PATH A. Until others prayed and revealed the original prayers were of the FLESH.
The FLESH is still a powerful component as we are still living. So like Bible say, we need 2 confirmation to move forward on a critical path that has been prophesied.
Looking for 2 confirmations is not always possible but God will provide the other two (may be some other believers overseas)
Rick Joiner I mean
what about when older leaders like pickle and jointer hurling curses on younger men who challenge them, then justify it by their so called legacy. is there accountability for that?
prophets get hit harder than apostles. both are mere job descriptions before the Lord, not identity statements. prophecy is fundamental in warfare, thats why
Rick Joyner is a man of integrity.
How do you know that?
R J belongs to knights of Malta which is part of the Freemasons. Have you ever heard Derek Prince and Kenneth Hagen talk about how William Branham operated out of the Holy Spirit and a spirit of divination? Well.... RJ
I did an entire video on this last fall:-).
@@wandaalgerwisdomI hope I can find it.
Thank you❤
@@carmenburnham1088hi
I had thought about the first part also.
Wanda, just an FYI, they are throwing ads before your video promoting a horror flick.
I do not agree with Wanda. Both of these two men tell the lies. If we preach the truth, at the same time telling the lies, are we playing church? If our heavenly experiences and anointing bring supernatural healing and miracles, yet we still committed sins in different levels, are these God's mercy towards his people? Are we craving something so profound and divine yet we allow mixture and compromise in the body of Christ? This is not about unity, it's about consecration. Why should we condemn the world for their immorality while our moral standard is so low in church? 😢
I heard something about addiction on social media today. It was about rats in cages with two bottles to drink out of. One was clean pure water and the other was water laced with some kind of drug like cocaine or something, and the rats would become addicted to the water bottle with the drug.
However, when the rats had lots of space to roam free, something like a large rat park, they were happy and would only drink out of the clean, pure, water bottle.
When someone has something against someone, don't they need to reach out to them and talk to them? That would be leadership. I don't want to hear someone talk about leadership and not do it. It makes it difficult to trust them. Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. I believe that means what they do.
If you heard of something wrong by one known to be a prophetic minister, wouldn't you want to know what it is, so you can correct it? Only after you really try should you separate, right? And even if you do, let's remember how the Prodigal's father was. I wonder if he cleaned out the younger brother's room and said they needed the space anyway. Then what do you do when he returns?
I’ve no peace ab RJoyner taking back Morning Star. I further feel injustice for CReed. The whole maneuver was an opportunistic decision taken by RJ at the expense of CR. The entire leadership team were beholden to RJ becos of self-interest and preservation. CR has become the victim and RJ the predator. Sad to see Christian brother treating another as such. I’m from SEAsia.
I definitely not have confidence for Rock Joiner! I read about him quite long ago and that he had with anything bad to do and I also see what he expresses eaven if I do not watch his videos. I do not feel peace at all about it.
I honestly believe Rick Joyner is being exposed by God. Chris Reed has been restored and has been used to deflect that. I believe that will come out more and we will see Chris raised again in his ministry and vindicated. Even with vindication the immature christians will hold onto darkness and unforgiveness. (Silently boasting their self righteousness). I think i said that right?
Yes and No, and everything else is evil, correct?
I do not know who Chris Reed is.
I agree with a lot of your thoughts here, Wanda, but I do not believe this is an accurate characterization of Rick Joyner’s treatment of the situation. He speaks very candidly, which may not seem nice at times, but he also has demonstrated a grace and mercy for Chris.
Has the body turned into a gang now ? Which side u on ? Wow God help us . We need to turn our criticisms into intercession. I pray all heal an transformation comes . How much did u love ?) I am nkt choksing sides i am choosing prayer an love
Instead of business model churches I want to see family of God model churches.
This is kind of a slippery slope because when the ancient namesof people we don't want to get into talking about people behind their back and even though I would say about nai to ninety five percent of people in the body price do this , it doesn't make it right.
YES I BELIEVE CHRIS REED SIDE OF STORY
Why is lust so powerful, why can't men or women know in their knower christ is in them?
Stay in the vine
Hello 👋 God can use a ham sandwich 🥪
Sun God Ra is the morning 🌞 Star 😢
I we want to go carnal and all we do is start exhumin' things, what might become of it except maybe a valley of dry bones? Then I suppose, somebody might have to start prophecyin' or something.
Rich mega church not right with Jesus
I was with you until you were criticized of Robin Bullock, I’d like an example of him being wrong…so disappointing
Yes, that was unexpected. I’ll have to pray into that. I think it was unnecessary to bring Prophet Robin Bullock into this conversation. We need more UNITY in the Body of Christ, not division. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
If that unity means the whole lump being leavened with sin,then we find ourselves on the wrong side of the cross.
I didn’t know that she criticized Robin Bullock. He is definitely anointed by God.
@terrysmith8903. I basically disagree with his end time views. He believes the rapture is a lot sooner than what I do. A person’s eschatology will become a filter through which prophetic words are interpreted. That’s it. I appreciate him and his ministry:-) blessings!
@@Vangie759 I basically disagree with his end time views. He believes the rapture is a lot sooner than what I do. A person’s eschatology will become a filter through which prophetic words are interpreted. That’s it. I appreciate him and his ministry:-) blessings!
After hearing how Rick handled it, it makes sense that Chris resigned, no matter what.
Rick is trying to divert attention from the church lawsuit
@@renerickman2208No, he's not and whoever told you that is not telling the truth.
Morning star means Lucifer in hebrew
I was healed in both rotator cuffs (at different times)! Praying for you!
ROBIN BULLOCK, one of my favorite Prophets. I listen to many, I learn from all of them, and they all make me grow in the Lord. If 85 to 90% of what a person says edifies me, I keep listening, no matter what. I have an invisible trash can where I put the little things I don't agree with. Chris was never one of my favorites. I didn't agree with his government's dreams or prophecies. There were something in them.... I can't explain it, but it didn't satisfy me. Some things he said bothered me or didn't give me peace. But of course I will PRAY for him. He is a child of GOD and is still anointed even though he made mistakes. In the Bible, there is NO ONE perfect ... Only JESUS.