I don’t understand why people are getting so pissed about it let Catholics believe in what they want to believe in forever our lady Guadalupe Will be mestizo to us she represents us as people we don’t worship Mary we worship God in Jesus we honor her because she’s a mother of Jesus yes I do understand she was discussed as tonantzin I will not take that away to convert aztecas into catholicism but from many Mexican she is tonantzin we have a lot of pride in respect for her please respect our believes in our religion and will respect yours
@@AldoFYT Guadalupe is a Mary appiration. She represnts latino america. Just like the Lady of Fatima represents Portugal. They are different apparitions of different versions of Mary. Yes, Mary was middle eastern, but she is a blessing to the world and her spirit matters most. She does this for her son Jesus because Jesus is still alive in the flesh next to his Father.
@@margarita8639the term "Latin America" was coined in the 19th century by the French. Guadalupe appeared in the 16th century. She is represents America (Americas) and especially Hispanic America.
I don’t know where u got your history from but Spanish conquestors robbed and raped are people .....the Virgin Mary is a catholic and European belief Mexican people are natives who forgot who they were and inherited the language and beliefs of the Europeans that conquered them
@David do your research Did you know that Mayans and Aztecs believed in Jesus before the Spaniards conquered them.some not all, believed in Chimalipan who was the virgin mother. The Virgin Mother of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was the son who became man and was born of a virgin. He came and went to the underworld to dip HIS blood in the bones of his people in the underworld. This is why when the virgin Mary appeared in Mexico millions of Natives converted they knew who she was
No shit thats what being conquered is all about. The Aztecs conquered rival tribes that's what an empire is. The Spanish Empire just had more advantages. It's weird how the descendants of a brutal empire cries victim over their European fathers being part of a more advanced Empire.
@@Starshine621 by virtue of believing in my faith and my beliefs, you disbelieve other faiths and belief systems. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, tolerance is the symptom of a lack of virtue and conviction.
Respectfully, Indian is from India. Two different lands and cultures. And Columbus invaded and mistakenly thought he was in India, but actually was on the Americas.We are Indigenous, not Indian 🙏 🏕
@Diego Alvarez Kinda of, Colombus was stubborn and an asshole, even though he knew his coordinates he assumed them to be undiscovered parts of the east indies. The Columbus spoke spanish and the word for Indigenous is "Indigen" pronounced Indi-Hen (singular person who is indigenous) and when the word became anglocized it turned into Indian but the origin of that word is different from the origin of the people living in India.
Seems like indigenous people embrace mart more than European Americans. North natives, first nation and Latin America indigenous are open to her. Seen that white northab European Americans think Mary is just for native people or for people of the country of Mexico.
Her story is wrong.... major details are incorrect and way too general, the story from the primary source document, Nican Mopohua, is not what she is saying. La VIrgen is NOT mestizo, she is 100% indigenous, Mexican. Sad to watch and listen our story be told incorrectly and circulated.
Indigenous natives believed in nature and the 4 Elements. Sacrificing was a tradition that many cultures participated in including Spain and the rest of Europe. Spanish Kings sacrificed virgins
The Catholic church ended up sacrificing the lives of millions in the forced Colonization of America! Its even questionable if human sacrifice was widely performed by Indigenous people, or was it an anomaly used to write a Papal Bull?
It's sad that Aztec culture was washed away by the BS that is catholicism. I dont agree with human sacrifice but Aztecs should celebrate their original faith.
Sacrificing humans was a sin. If Spaniards were sacrificing, it was a long time ago before they were Christians. It's true that most human civilizations sacrificed but that was in a time long before those societies became more advanced. Essentially the indigenous in Mexico lived in a Neolithic age, and when Europe was in a Neolithic age they also sacrificed but that was a long time ago.
@@fallen4life080You want to die on the hill of defending the Empire and religion that sacrificed 80000 prisoners in 4 days be my guest. I’ll take the truth of the Church over that bs
In theory those gods were fallen angels or aliens either way we humans are not sure plus why are the Mexican people worshipping a middle west women who’s not even supposed to be worship according to the Christian religion
Para conocer y saber de donde vienes primero tienes q conocer la historia de los ancestros y no profanar tus ideas ,q ya son muchos q c piensan q son parte de nosotros y no tienen ni idea
False!! If you mean catholics then yes, but there is no Christian “ceremonies” according to Christ. As a matter of fact in Jer 10:4 it clearly states to not follow pagan traditions
Everyone sacrificed to the gods even Catholics and Christians back in the day! The tradition is as old as time. The Christian God once told people to sacrifice their own sons back in the biblical times. Then they sacrificed lambs instead.
Ya ... no , never does Jehova God tell His people to sacrifice their children to Him , that’s incorrect , Christians don’t sacrifice to God, we’re specifically told not to by Jesus not to , Catholics are Christians btw , your statement is entirely incorrect , if you don’t know our faith , don’t spread misinformation
@@brianroca33 in genesis 22 god told Abraham to sacrifice his son isaac so yea he's incorrect but not entirely so if your going to respond to him rudely and tell him to basically shut up if he doesn't know what hes talking about, instead correct him and teach him in a proper manner.
We continue to think that spilling blood, innocent blood and ending life that we cant create, is somehow ok. This is the most successful deceit that mankind suffers under!
This is disappointing. We're suppose to be dancing to OUR gods. Not to a middle eastern figure that the Europeans claimed (stole) as their own and forced it upon our ancestors. Huītzilōpōchtli, Tlāloc, Quetzalcoatl, Tezcatlipoca, Xōchiquetzal, and other gods and goddesses. Dance to them.
That's new age BS. The aztecs were pagans, the reason why Guadalupe is still worshipped by nahuas is because she's a syncretic deity, also known as Tonantzin.
Aztecs dancing to the "virgin"?? The aztecs had many gods, the main one was the sun god. Spaniards brought Catholism, and killed the Aztecs. If those natives were to see this, they would sacrifice all of them lol
I see very unconnected people Mayans and Aztecs believed in Jesus before the Spaniards conquered them.some not all, believed in Chimalipan who was the virgin mother. The Virgin Mother of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was the son who became man and was born of a virgin. He came and went to the underworld to dip HIS blood in the bones of his people in the underworld. This is why when the virgin Mary appeared in Mexico millions of Natives converted they knew who she was
The spanish were backed by many Mexican tribes. You conveniently forget to mention in order to blacken the spanish who broke the grip of the murderous culture the aztecs had on the region.
She knows that. She's not talking about the actual Mary from 2000 years ago. She's talking about the depiction in the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The image on the tilma makes her meztizo. It's a depiction of her as someone for the MEXICAN PEOPLE.
All this is very ironic for me as a Mexican, the virgin was imposed by the invaders when they won the conquest of Mexico, she was imposed to destroy those ancestral gods of our culture, that is the irony, it does not matter what we think individually, but our own. union and cultural identity. Viva México!
No our ancestors are also the Spanish, stop believing and regurgitating anti-Spanish Black Legend that only helps to strengthen those against Hispanicity achievements
This is not Jesus mother and Jesus was not mexican Im speakingas as an x mexican Catholic.This is considerd idolatry in Gods eyes. My people open your bible the truth shall set you free.
Exodus 20:2-3 "I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me." Why do these spineless prelates allow demon worship in the house of Our Lord? When the bishop of this diocese passes and meets the Lord our God, he will have to account for why he allowed this to happen
Your disrespectful asf we do not need people like you go to hell and respect our culture you stupid trump supporter and btw get yourself educated because your saying the Virgin Mary wich is gods mother is a demon worship get a life your like 60 and are your a demon worship you sure do look like one gtfo.
I don’t understand why people are getting so pissed about it let Catholics believe in what they want to believe in forever our lady Guadalupe Will be mestizo to us she represents us as people we don’t worship Mary we worship God in Jesus we honor her because she’s a mother of Jesus yes I do understand she was discussed as tonantzin I will not take that away to convert aztecas into catholicism but from many Mexican she is tonantzin we have a lot of pride in respect for her please respect our believes in our religion and will respect yours
You’re wrong about Mary being Mestiza which she is not she is Middle Eastern
@@AldoFYT Guadalupe is a Mary appiration. She represnts latino america. Just like the Lady of Fatima represents Portugal. They are different apparitions of different versions of Mary. Yes, Mary was middle eastern, but she is a blessing to the world and her spirit matters most. She does this for her son Jesus because Jesus is still alive in the flesh next to his Father.
@@margarita8639the term "Latin America" was coined in the 19th century by the French. Guadalupe appeared in the 16th century. She is represents America (Americas) and especially Hispanic America.
My virgen 💕 my Morenita Azteca.proud to be Aztec!
😂😂 yours?
@@sparnt117 why not? she is ours..
Our Lady of Guadalupe. Ave Maria.
Who is the lady of Guadalupe?
@@reneevaz7848 you have a brain... please don't let it rot.
That was fave church ⛪ ❤❤❤❤
😭😇💯🌹🌹😘 I was baptized at this church 52 years
Our mexican GODDESS!!!🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽TONANTZIN TLALI!!!!
Fake queen used to convert people to catholicism.
@@theuberman7170 ur not even Mexican Trump supporter
Mary was Middle Eastern
@@AldoFYT yes she was and?
@@AldoFYT Yes She Is And Credit to @Jesus Reyes
I don’t know where u got your history from but Spanish conquestors robbed and raped are people .....the Virgin Mary is a catholic and European belief Mexican people are natives who forgot who they were and inherited the language and beliefs of the Europeans that conquered them
a very large portion of mexico is white, mestizaje does not equal indigenous
La Virgen was discovered by an indigenous man. Nobody in Spain has La Virgen de Guadalupe.
@David nope. People only worship her in Mexico
@David do your research Did you know that Mayans and Aztecs believed in Jesus before the Spaniards conquered them.some not all, believed in Chimalipan who was the virgin mother. The Virgin Mother of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was the son who became man and was born of a virgin. He came and went to the underworld to dip HIS blood in the bones of his people in the underworld. This is why when the virgin Mary appeared in Mexico millions of Natives converted they knew who she was
Its not even a European belief they made her up to convert people.
Wow, the church I grew in and with .
PROUD!
¡Nuestra Señora!
Our Lady of Guadalupe is the Virgin Mary
Mother Mary left the Tilma for us. It is miraculous what scientific studies are finding about it.
My family always gets pissed when I mentioned were Aztecs and mayans warriors.
They pushed a fake belief in us
The only fake beliefs are paganism and atheism. Christ is eternal truth and eternal salvation.
No shit thats what being conquered is all about. The Aztecs conquered rival tribes that's what an empire is. The Spanish Empire just had more advantages. It's weird how the descendants of a brutal empire cries victim over their European fathers being part of a more advanced Empire.
@@italianboyz12345 your comment is very ignorant and I hope you learn to be accepting and understanding of others cultures and beliefs.
@@Starshine621 by virtue of believing in my faith and my beliefs, you disbelieve other faiths and belief systems. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, tolerance is the symptom of a lack of virtue and conviction.
@@italianboyz12345 you're going to hell 😅
Respectfully, Indian is from India.
Two different lands and cultures. And Columbus invaded and mistakenly thought he was in India, but actually was on the Americas.We are Indigenous, not Indian 🙏 🏕
@Diego Alvarez Kinda of, Colombus was stubborn and an asshole, even though he knew his coordinates he assumed them to be undiscovered parts of the east indies. The Columbus spoke spanish and the word for Indigenous is "Indigen" pronounced Indi-Hen (singular person who is indigenous) and when the word became anglocized it turned into Indian but the origin of that word is different from the origin of the people living in India.
They're called "Indian" because the Spanish called America(s) "Las Indias" or "WEST Indies" as opposed to "EAST Indies.
Seems like indigenous people embrace mart more than European Americans. North natives, first nation and Latin America indigenous are open to her. Seen that white northab European Americans think Mary is just for native people or for people of the country of Mexico.
Obviously protestants are irreverent and don't respect her
Belief in the Virgin Mary is only Catholics East Orthodox, and Muslims
Que viva La Virgen De Guadalupe
Mary never said to Juan Diego to worship her instead we need to honor her
Exactly and we do on her dances bring her flowers And food that is honoring her because she’s the mother of our Lord and Savior we don’t worshiper her
@@danielaortega7143 exactly
Tonantzin tlalli ✊🏾
Que La Reina de los mexicanos y que viva Mexico
Reina de menterias.
Reina de Mexico 🇲🇽 America 🇺🇸 Y Los Filipinos 🇵🇷
Her story is wrong.... major details are incorrect and way too general, the story from the primary source document, Nican Mopohua, is not what she is saying. La VIrgen is NOT mestizo, she is 100% indigenous, Mexican. Sad to watch and listen our story be told incorrectly and circulated.
I agree, sadly many people been fooled to think she was mixed. That's a colonial whitewashing mentality. She appeared native to a native Mexican man.
for those saying the church was wrong for converting them lets not forget that the azctecs used to do human sacrifices
Mary was not mix! That's whitewashing culture. She appeared as a native woman to guan Diego a native man of Mexico.
Ave maria🙏🙏🙏
Indigenous natives believed in nature and the 4 Elements. Sacrificing was a tradition that many cultures participated in including Spain and the rest of Europe. Spanish Kings sacrificed virgins
The Catholic church ended up sacrificing the lives of millions in the forced Colonization of America! Its even questionable if human sacrifice was widely performed by Indigenous people, or was it an anomaly used to write a Papal Bull?
It's sad that Aztec culture was washed away by the BS that is catholicism. I dont agree with human sacrifice but Aztecs should celebrate their original faith.
@@fallen4life080The original faith did involve sacrifices. You can separate the two, and those Spaniards never left. They are our ancestors too
Sacrificing humans was a sin. If Spaniards were sacrificing, it was a long time ago before they were Christians. It's true that most human civilizations sacrificed but that was in a time long before those societies became more advanced. Essentially the indigenous in Mexico lived in a Neolithic age, and when Europe was in a Neolithic age they also sacrificed but that was a long time ago.
@@fallen4life080You want to die on the hill of defending the Empire and religion that sacrificed 80000 prisoners in 4 days be my guest. I’ll take the truth of the Church over that bs
Remember, the BVM came to the New World and appeared, as she usually does, to ordinary people, such as Juan Diego. Not to presidents or kings.
My grandpa is actually a Spanish native he has a tattoo of a skull cheif native warrior.
How is Jesus momma mixed ?
We Mexicans should not forget our gods, same way Norse gods Greek gods. We Aztecs Mayans Toltec Mixtec we had our own gods
💯💯
false gods
In theory those gods were fallen angels or aliens either way we humans are not sure plus why are the Mexican people worshipping a middle west women who’s not even supposed to be worship according to the Christian religion
Blood savrificers who did nothing. False
Hhhhyyy mijitos, puro sueño con ustsdes. 😅
Her name is tonantzin
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Yes, meaning beloved or our lady. She actually said her name was Coatlaxopeuh but we beseech her by calling her Tonantzin.
She got her history wrong by 1531 the Aztecs were under Spanish rule and no longer sacrificed to the gods
Creo q eso no tiene nads q ver de lo q ella dice,quiero pensar q le hace falta leer mas hacerca de su historia,
Para conocer y saber de donde vienes primero tienes q conocer la historia de los ancestros y no profanar tus ideas ,q ya son muchos q c piensan q son parte de nosotros y no tienen ni idea
Lady, worshiping the virgin mary is a pagan ceremony???
All Christian Ceremony began with Pagan Ceremonies.
False!! If you mean catholics then yes, but there is no Christian “ceremonies” according to Christ. As a matter of fact in Jer 10:4 it clearly states to not follow pagan traditions
Literally numerous denominations outside of Catholicism that promote ceremonies to saints and religious figures
@@mr.anderson2241 yes exactly and they are in the wrong too, so whats your point? Many Christians celebrate xmas and that itself is a pagan holiday
@@scaryTVusa point is we don’t worship Mary nor is veneration pagan or the holidays
They look Navajo
Everyone sacrificed to the gods even Catholics and Christians back in the day! The tradition is as old as time. The Christian God once told people to sacrifice their own sons back in the biblical times. Then they sacrificed lambs instead.
Ya ... no , never does Jehova God tell His people to sacrifice their children to Him , that’s incorrect , Christians don’t sacrifice to God, we’re specifically told not to by Jesus not to , Catholics are Christians btw , your statement is entirely incorrect , if you don’t know our faith , don’t spread misinformation
@@brianroca33 in genesis 22 god told Abraham to sacrifice his son isaac so yea he's incorrect but not entirely so if your going to respond to him rudely and tell him to basically shut up if he doesn't know what hes talking about, instead correct him and teach him in a proper manner.
Christ left us His continuing sacrifice in the Holy Mass.
We continue to think that spilling blood, innocent blood and ending life that we cant create, is somehow ok. This is the most successful deceit that mankind suffers under!
@@reyes7133 Catholics are not bound by the Torah which is the Jewish bible containing Genesis.
Christ brought the world a new covenant.
This is disappointing. We're suppose to be dancing to OUR gods. Not to a middle eastern figure that the Europeans claimed (stole) as their own and forced it upon our ancestors.
Huītzilōpōchtli, Tlāloc, Quetzalcoatl, Tezcatlipoca, Xōchiquetzal, and other gods and goddesses. Dance to them.
those gods are false
the Virgin Mary is a middle eastern figure not a European one. Same with Jesus.
Go and do it then
Christianity is middle eastern, dum dum
Aztecs were never pagan, it was Teotl, the one God who was the ruler. We didn't know we were Israelites yet. We couldn't read the Latin Bible.
Oh, yes there were.
That's new age BS. The aztecs were pagans, the reason why Guadalupe is still worshipped by nahuas is because she's a syncretic deity, also known as Tonantzin.
@@xiuhcoatl4830She’s not a deity. Now your pushing new age propaganda
She is not mary she is Tonantzin, Tonantzin is the true savior
Aztecs dancing to the "virgin"?? The aztecs had many gods, the main one was the sun god. Spaniards brought Catholism, and killed the Aztecs. If those natives were to see this, they would sacrifice all of them lol
Tonantzin
I see very unconnected people Mayans and Aztecs believed in Jesus before the Spaniards conquered them.some not all, believed in Chimalipan who was the virgin mother. The Virgin Mother of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was the son who became man and was born of a virgin. He came and went to the underworld to dip HIS blood in the bones of his people in the underworld. This is why when the virgin Mary appeared in Mexico millions of Natives converted they knew who she was
@@elygarcia2855 you need to study the bible first.. Then study the Aztec empire. But first lay off the drugs cause you delusional af
Obviously you must not be mexican. If you were, you would know what happened between the aztecs and hernan cortes. Therefore stop spreading ignorance
The spanish were backed by many Mexican tribes. You conveniently forget to mention in order to blacken the spanish who broke the grip of the murderous culture the aztecs had on the region.
Bruh that lady is crazy smh Mary is not Meztizo she’s Middle Eastern it says in the bible🤦🏽♂️
Yes but that’s how she was depicted on the tilma
Mary appeared in different races during her multiple apparitions to connect with the local people.
Mary appeared in different races during her multiple apparitions to connect with the local people.
She knows that. She's not talking about the actual Mary from 2000 years ago. She's talking about the depiction in the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The image on the tilma makes her meztizo. It's a depiction of her as someone for the MEXICAN PEOPLE.
Its not mary, but its aztec goddes she is name is Tonantzin
Tonantzin ..... Not mother Mary a Jewish boys mom but the mother of aztlan
It’s both , she is the Union of two bloods
@@raggazo23 in a way. I would call her the mother of Jesus, not an Aztec deity but she did appear dressed like Aztec royalty.
All this is very ironic for me as a Mexican, the virgin was imposed by the invaders when they won the conquest of Mexico, she was imposed to destroy those ancestral gods of our culture, that is the irony, it does not matter what we think individually, but our own. union and cultural identity. Viva México!
No. The Virgin appeared to Juan Diego and his tilma has survived for half a millennium to prove it
No our ancestors are also the Spanish, stop believing and regurgitating anti-Spanish Black Legend that only helps to strengthen those against Hispanicity achievements
Because she is Not Jesus mother she is a principality ! Tonantzin
Tonantzin...
This is not Jesus mother and Jesus was not mexican Im speakingas as an x mexican Catholic.This is considerd idolatry in Gods eyes. My people open your bible the truth shall set you free.
Exodus 20:2-3 "I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me."
Why do these spineless prelates allow demon worship in the house of Our Lord? When the bishop of this diocese passes and meets the Lord our God, he will have to account for why he allowed this to happen
Exactly ! Virgin de Guadalupe is nothing but a Satanic Idol meant to send people to hell in the form of Idolatry, God shares His glory with no one !
@@brianroca33 Silence prot
@@brianroca33 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop and plz respect are religion
Kinda weird seeing indigenous celebrating catholic gods 😆
Jesus Christ is the only mediator, this demon has so many fooled
She's basically the Mexican version of mormonism
She don’t know what she’s talking about
La Virgen never appeared to the Aztecs, that woman is lying.
Blasphemy!!!! You all need Jesus!!!!!!
Where does she or anyone say that?
They were not doing all those sacrifices. That’s Spaniard BS.
Is this some type of demon worship?
Your disrespectful asf we do not need people like you go to hell and respect our culture you stupid trump supporter and btw get yourself educated because your saying the Virgin Mary wich is gods mother is a demon worship get a life your like 60 and are your a demon worship you sure do look like one gtfo.
nope sister. Mother of jesus is not a demon. this is not worship. see here athiests and protestants doing the same thing attacking us..
lady. you dont know what demon worship is. cope harder. your ignorance..
Still Pagan
Jajaja