Springfield Prodigy vs Staccato P. Is it just as good?
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2024
- I go into my impressions of the 5'' Springfield Armory Prodigy 1911 DS, specifically compared to my Staccato P and asked if the Prodigy just as good?
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I am a gunsmith and when I got my prodigy I changed out all mim parts with Wilson combat parts. polished and tuned the trigger and polished the feed ramps. gun ran amazing had no issues with ammo. it was the 4.25 version, I did see several people bring their guns back to my shop with issues but those were all the 5 inch guns. comparing it to my staccato P, the staccato p is definitely better out of the box. after doing all the work I did I would say that it is more comparable to the P after the work done.
When were mim parts started behind an issue? Fixing a problem that wasn't one in the first place. If it breaks replace it.
I did a ton of research on the Prodigy prior to buying one. What I found was that the FTF issues stemmed from 2 things. 1, the recoil spring weight was just too low. I think the factory spring is only 8 pounds. the second thing was that the cerekote would rub off between the slide and frame, causing a gummy substance that would slow the slide movement even more. So, when I bought my 5-inch, I did several minor things. One, I got a Dawson Precision one-piece guide rod with an 11-pound spring. Second, I took a dremel and cleaned off as much cerekote from the frame rails as I could. I then took a copper brush and cleaned as much cerekote off the slide as I could. Once that was done, I lubed it up and just racked the slide about 500 times to clean more of that cerekote off. Once that was done, I cleaned it, lubed it up, and took it to the range. I've not had one issue. Ran like a champ.
@@YouDontKnowMe2011.9 Nice, thanks for the info!
Glad to watch a video from lefty to lefty
@@DUFFEYBOYZ 👍🏻👍🏻
The early feeding problems with the Prodigy, and the magazines was because of a sharp edge on the Feed lips of the magazine. This would cause extra friction on the bullet, and it would nose dive. I research this thoroughly before I bought one. It has been very reliable.
I enjoyed your video because I believe you were very open and honest about comparing the firearms. Even though the firearms are completely different in the manufacturing process, meaning the Staccato is hand fitted, and the Prodigy is more line production made. That is where the difference in price obviously comes from , and where quality can fit in the comparison. I think Prodigy got a bad wrap from the beginning because the quality control on production was not quite up to par before the release of the firearm. This is what has caused many of the negative reviews I feel.
Yeah, unfortunately many form opinions based on internet opinion (which is often biased) and often not personal experience and if a product has some growing pains early on, people have a hard time changing their opinion.
People forget that early STIs were extremely finicky and needed to be finely tuned. Fortunately STI/Staccato learned from earlier issues and produce a fine duty grade handgun now.
That being said, my video is just a sample size of one, and isn't necessarily indicative of all prodigies, however, I was extremely impressed with the one I tested.
Thanks for watching! 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I think it’s also people hate Springfield for political stances and what not so they don’t even give products a chance.
My Staccato has made me buy another. I don’t like shooting my others now. I’m still keeping them. But they serve, in case of emergency roles.
I’ve never shot a Springfield prodigy but comparing my Italian 92fs with an unmodified LTT trigger to the Staccato P I was left feeling the gun was more hype than true superiority. I even proved on Reddit that the 92fs has comparable if not better tolerances than the Staccato. It’s a cool gun but I expected it to make me want to put my 92 down and it really just made me appreciate it more.
@@CinemaZiggy I think the Beretta 92/M9 is one of the most underrated handguns and the LTT is perfected. That being said, I'm not big on DA/SA. Beretta vs 2011 is mostly preference imo.
Somewhere out there is someone who’d rather have a Fiat 500 than a Corvette, I don’t understand it, but we’re all different.
@@markevans658 Some of us when we seek luxury actually expect superior materials, design or manufacturing processes others just want a name they can use to brag to poor ppl. I don’t understand it, but we’re all different. Everyone talks about how good the Staccatos are but what do they really do better than anything else other than marketing?
@markevans658You know nothing about guns if you consider an LTT Beretta as a Fiat 500.
@@CinemaZiggy simple, they shoot much faster while maintaining accuracy.
i have the 4.25 comped prodigy and its close to 800 rounds now no issues. It was my first 1911 style gun and I love this thing! I am looking to upgrade internals and de-MIM it after 1000 rounds but I'm starting to think if it aint broke, dont fix it.
@@gottalikenick nice! I definitely want to try out the comped model 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I was about to buy a prodigy. At the gun store loved hiw it delt in the hand. Knew about the mim parts and wasn't too worried. However, i noticed with that gun the right side safety lever was already broken. I know its a fluke, but it just gave me a little pause and I saved up a little more to get a staccato P. For me its the buy once cry once thing. Not saying the prodigy is junk, but i didn't want to have to mess with replacing parts.
@@punker6506 I agree if someone ca. afford the staccato, that's always going to be my recommendation. The thumb safeties on the prodigy is one of my biggest complaints
@TheContemporaryCrusader its funny. I actually like the look of the levers with the curve one the end. Just wish they weren't MIM.
I went to handle one and the exact same thing happened. The safety would lock in the safe position and you had to wriggle it to get it down
I love my prodigy. I have both you talk about MIM parts however the only ones that they have in there are the release. Slide stop disconnect that’s bout it’s Glock the most reliable handgun in the world has MIM. I think the issue with the mags are great however they wiggle inside the grip a little bit and I think sometimes it causes failure to feed
Egw kit and a little polishing and it’s just as smooth and shoots as good as a staccato…I put atlas thumb safeties and trigger in mine as well. Also got it ported by monsoon tactical. Shoots extremely flat. And yes I’m a Staccato owner also…
Right on, I've got the EGW stuff too. Shoot great, but I just gave up on optics and I'm getting low profile irons so it fits in the IDPA box for ESP.
@@TheRealEricRose nice. I think this is the niche that the prodigy lives- a great base gun for internal upgrades and modifications.
@@TheContemporaryCrusader yes exactly. It’s a great way to get into the 2011 world without spending $2500 plus
Man, i love my prodigy. Idk if i just got really really lucky compared to others or just something, but ya i have the 4.25, with ACSS 407c and a tlr1 hl, only thing modified i guess you can say is i just basically sanded/polish the hammer down and now doesn't have that hook up at all when you rack slide back. It's a fun range toy, runs flawless, and has no issues with just over 2 thousand rounds. In a month or 2 ima put more focus on it and get it to at least 6 thousand rounds, hopefully more. And trigger is nice too, broken into the point. it's 2lb. I know it might sound unbelievable, but like i said, i think I just got lucky, lol p.s yes i have shot a staccato too, friends has one and have to say, glad got my prodigy. No hate on Staccato, nice 2011.
@@richardcanez6647 I'm starting to see based on comments it's really hit or miss on whether someone likes their prodigy or not 😂. Maybe we just got decent ones 🤷🏼♂️
@TheContemporaryCrusader ya, I mean a lot, think the staccato is a top of the line gun when at times they also have a few bad 2011s that don't run. It happens even with the most reliable gun "Glock." No weapon is perfect, and plus, have you seen it? The famous staccato drop safe? Again, I like Staccato, not trying to bash it or that just funny 😆 lol but happy with my purchase, to be honest.
The finish on the early prodigy was the problem. I took a new one and oiled it up and hand cycled it 250 times four different times. The finish was turning into a sticky sludge that slowed down the slide. After that I’ve put a thousand rounds through it with no failures. I’m assuming it’s no longer an issue on the new ones
@@joshuaholloway494 yeah I've the cerakote was a little thick
The safety and mag release for a right hander is better than that for a left hander. Alwyas try and engage both right and left handed shooters. Also for the price point, the safties are very good. Very solid feel
I own Platypus and staccato p.. both comparable. Prodigy had so many issues I had to sell. Cool gun though.
I must have gotten a newer production model or got really lucky. Mine shot 250 without a issue
Just lubed It up and ended up cycling it a hundred times about and was amazed by it.
Everyone seems to forget Springfield also has a lifetime warranty
Which is voided once you start changing out parts. That’s what people get hung up on. Once you change out parts on the prodigy (egw kit, guide rod, safeties, trigger etc) your warranty is gone.
@stevenleitao946 could you not just throw the stock ones back in and have whatever your issue is still looked at? It doesn't void it by taking it apart right?
Yes you could, that is if you know that the aftermarket part is the problem and not something else. The issue is that most people are not gun smiths and therefore cannot diagnose their own problems. The prodigy is great but to make it reliable you have to change a bunch of parts and unless you know what you’re doing you have to pay a gunsmith hundreds to do the work. That’s a lot of money to buy an egw ignition kit, trigger, safeties etc and pay to have them installed. Then if there’s an issue pay a person to put the stock parts in. For that money just put a staccato that doesn’t need that level of work and has the warranty to match. Unless you’re a gunsmith, that’s a different story
manually rack the prodigy when you get it new to wear off the thick cerakote they put in on it and clean the grime that will come off off. The gun gums up because of this grime and leads to malfunctions. Check the magazine feed lips so theres no burrs or rough edges on the bottom side of the feed lips. Wont cycle smoothly otherwise
Thx
Good discussion, and the Duramag guys are awesome.
@@xefitnop thanks for watching!
Yeah I'm a big fan of them
I had the same problem hitting the slide stop on my TRP and it kept causing a malfunction. Traded the TRP and got a Professional 😎
@@David_S_Rev9 like I said, I wish it was just the standard to countersink them on modern 1911/2011 😂
@@TheContemporaryCrusader Totally agree 👍
A lot of staccato cope on the comments, obviously did not watch the video. Thanks for the information, solid video
@@Opr9r it's all so tiresome. The funny part is that I have a staccato and don't even own a prodigy 😂
Has anyone had an issue with the feed ramp getting dented? The very point on the right side of the feed ramp is dented. I run atlas and mbx magazines. They are shaped slightly different than the stock mags
How is he dropping the slide after reloading? I'm not seeing it.
@@POPJack1717 I use my left index finger to activate the slide stop
Anyone that thinks the prodigy compares to the staccato is a blowing smoke 😆
The quality isn’t even close.
I work on 2011’s. Own 7 currently.
Repair and upgrade prodigies at a rate of 1-4 a month.
My 2 prodigies are bad ass pistols but took a lot of time and money to get there.
Their safeties fall out and have a noticeable squish at the bottom.
I have Atlas in mine.
@@PnP-td1mt I don't think it's "blowing smoke" to compare an option in the 2011 market to the benchmark 2011- Staccato.
Maybe I got lucky with the prodigy I reviewed, but was extremely impressed. The slide to frame fit on the prodigy was just as good, if not better than my staccato. I also mentioned that the prodigy is best as a base gun to modify/upgrade.
I have no skin in the game since I don't own a prodigy and have no association with Springfield, and if anything I'm more biased to staccato, since I own one and it's hands down my favorite pistol I own. I just made a video of my impressions of the prodigy as a shooter not a gunsmith.
@@PnP-td1mt I hated the safety and would most definitely replace it immediately if I got one.
@@TheContemporaryCrusaderI didn’t say it was “blowing smoke” to compare them.
I said it’s “blowing smoke” to say they are similar or “just as good”.
The quality isn’t even close.
Don’t have to be a gunsmith to see this.
For me, they're not the same. It's like comparing a Corvette to a Ferrari. The Ferrari is better, but the Corvette is pretty damned nice.
@@jacksquat2067 they are different classes for sure, I would put the prodigy slightly above budget and Staccato in higher-mid tier. Albeit, same operating system . I've seen that the opinion of the prodigy is mostly negative after making this video, but that just wasn't my experience. I was very impressed overall. On the flip side I didn't put that many rounds through it, so I can't speak to longevity
Good stuff💪🏾🔫💯
@@marcusedcofficial thanks for watching 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I changed out my mim parts with EGW…Meh my Staccado is better. I have both. (Prodigy 4.25, CS & C2 owner here) All are nice but apples and oranges.
I had a question about my staccato and called them. They picked up asked me for the serial number and transferred me to the cell phone of the gunsmith that built it. Going to get that kind of service from Springfield ?
@@mariopereira1072 doubtful, which is why I made it a point to say that staccato has great customer service and that it's a better company to patronize.
I think my opinion mirrors the majority. I have both. Not in the same league for fit and finish. If you can do your own gunsmithing, fine, but to pay to have the slide tightened and lapped, parts replaced etc you've exceeded the price of the P to get the same level of fit and finish. Neither compare to my custom built .45, but the P is damned close.
Exactly, most people who cry about price aren't capable of working on their own guns . Prodigy can become very impressive if you can do it yourself .
I don't own a prodigy or a staccato, but at the end of the day, I'll spend the extra money and get a made in Texas staccato before I buy a made in communists Illinois prodigy lol 😆 🤣 😂
@@louiejones4092 can't argue with that!
Yes I end up ordering screws and used blue loctite
What screws did you order? Two thousand rounds, runs great, but I have had to put the SRO back on 4 times.
Stacc XC all day, errryday. Springfield can keep the Prodigy, and yes I've owned and since sold the one I had. Staccato is 2011 perfected.
I’d hope the xc is better lmao it’s 3x the price
The fact that the staccato xc will fire if it's dropped muzzle towards ground ill save my money and upgrade the prodigy...plus staccato doesn't make a commander length model let a lone a commander length xc makes more sense to save the money and spend the difference on parts and ammo
Yes, if you regularly drop your pistols, look elsewhere...also, what ranges do you frequent? I want to avoid you at all costs.
@@danielh1708😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 agreed
Was a huge problem with sig for everyone now that it happens to staccato everyone copes lol
My prodigy 4.25 slide to frame fit is garbage. After the ceracoat wofe off, theres a good bit of wobble. Boohoo. Good thing i have my xc to shoot too
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I do too skipz hook3d me up everytime i let someone shoot my prodigy they amazed
@@Maurice3774 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Not even close. I watched two different Prodigys fail. The online stories are true about their poor quality. My P and anyone else’s have all been solid.
The Prodigy isn’t even as good as the Bul Armory
I have a Bul Armory SAS Tac 2 and rented a Staccato- *Bul has the better trigger and also felt better but the feel was bias bc I own it
I had a prodigy that didn’t work, even after 2 trips back to SA
Buy once, cry once
Better to spend $2500 on a proven product than $1500 on a much lesser product with proven issues that might work, might not
@@oceaser6977 I definitely want to check out one from Bul Armory, heard good things. Ultimately I can only make assessments on what I personally shoot and it appears it's hit or miss with the prodigy 😂
Same here, paid $1,200 for the Prodigy, changed all the MIM parts, polished it and still have some issues with it. I couldn’t send it back to Springfield due to the modifications I did. So I invested about $600 in parts, gunsmith etc and it is still crap. Get Bul Armory for $1,800 zero issues. Or get the Apollo 11 for $959 and maybe have the same issues…
Spot on. Firearms are tools. 2011s being high tolerance firearms need more attention in their use and maintenance regardless of brand. I can afford a staccato but don’t feel they are worth $. Not when other similar pistols cost significantly less and do the exact same thing. If I were a competition shooter maybe. I wouldn’t carry or use a 2011 as a self defense pistol since they are fussy compared to polymer striker fired pistols. When I buy a 2011 it will probably be a Prodigy or an Apollo.
🤙🏻🤙🏻 thanks for watching!
Nah, you're getting more for the money for staccato than prodigy. Better fitment and parts in it. Both are good pistols but staccato is better.
Staccato rules
Well said!
The answer is absolutely no. The ones I’ve handled have had rough edges and felt much less smooth. The finish wears quickly, you have to get lucky to get one that works, the guide rod setup sucks. Staccato isn’t some $6-7k custom pistol but it has all the right parts, is reliable (never heard of the problems you’ve had, sucks you had them) and the ones I’ve had experience with are head and shoulders above the Prodigy’s I’ve had experience with. My 2020 P has been run in 3 gun competition and training for 4 years and minus some early gen 26 round mags that were replaced for the newest ones, has been super reliable with low powered competition ammo and a not as good cleaning schedule as I would like. As far as just replacing the MIM parts, not a ton of people are at the level to be able to fit all those parts well enough to make it safe to use and would have to pay a smith to do it and then you still have the crappy guide rod you have to take apart to field strip it and the not-durable cerakote finish, not to mention zero warranty.
@@milspecmike8440 maybe the one I reviewed is a fluke, sample size of one. That being said, the slide to frame fit was awesome, just as good, if not better, than my Staccato P.
You make a good point about most people having to have a gunsmith to install most parts, but I still think most the upgrades could happen for 500 or so installed. Also agree about cerakote, not a fan.
why are u compare a prodigy with staccato !? it s 2 thinks typically opposition !!! you knows the difference with Porsche and a Renault !! it s same....
Most people use the wrong screws
@@Maurice3774 wrong screws for what?
@@TheContemporaryCrusader optic plates
@@Maurice3774 ah gotcha. We're the prodigy plates coming with the incorrect screws?
Order from freedom gorilla
Buy a staccato P instead. You will not regret the purchase over a prodigy
@@Luigi13333 I have a staccato P and don't have a prodigy. My stance is if you can afford the staccato, go that route
I have both and wish I only had 1. Can you guess which one lol.
No and it’s not even close.
@@ericks9127 out of the box, the staccato is the clear winner. I personally wouldn't go as far as saying that it's not even close though. I can't really speak to longevity, but with fitment/finish and "shootability" it's pretty dang close...
@@TheContemporaryCrusader we will agree to disagree on how close it is to. To me it’s a difference of internals . If you have to change parts then it makes a big gap.
@@ericks9127 the internals was my reasoning for not being as good in the video. I was pleasantly surprised with the slide to frame fit and overall feel though and how much I enjoyed shooting it.
Short answer- No.
End of discussion.
@@wehrewulf 🤷🏼♂️
Money talks. Compare msrps and more importantly their resale values. Staccatos hold their value
@@robert5117 solid point
The answer is No! The Springfield is a piece of garbage👎👎,, stop comparing the two for hype
I wouldn't go that far,
The prodigy is a good gun in my opinion. Maybe you had problems with yours, but they all have problems, not just springfield. 😉
@@tippit1 😂 😂
Would you like to give actual reasons why it's "garbage"? My experience, with a sample size of one albeit, was not that in the slightest. Comparing for "hype" is a silly statement. The staccato is well regarded as a benchmark 2011, what else would I compare it to?
I agree with him
I had a SA Prodigy and it was complete crap - never got off 5 successive rounds without a. Failure, even after two trips back to SA.
They make good 1911s so I figured they could do a double stacked 1911 just as well- I was wrong
It is garbage
Some work, some don’t
Staccatos just work
@@oceaser6977 what did you end up doing with your prodigy? That's unfortunate you had that experience, I had just the opposite.
@@TheContemporaryCrusader I didn't say it was garbage, I love my Prodigy!
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No. Didn't watch video. Just answering the question of the video title.
Nice video. Good info 👍🏼