Wang Chuqin early exit in the Paris Olympics: Did China made a mistake for not putting Ma Long?
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2024
- who he has never lost before in 8 encounters. Did China made the wrong decision for not featuring Ma Long? Find out in this video.
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Wang Chuqin is definitely a blessing for China. When the country was in search of a successor to Ma Long, Wang Chuqin stepped up. He accomplished what Lin Gaoyuan and Liang Jingkun, despite being older and debuting earlier, couldn’t do. Wang Chuqin showcased a strong display of skills and mental toughness, which set him apart from LGY and LJK, helping him win more titles and achieve the world number one ranking-something others couldn’t manage.
But the Olympics proved once again that, despite Wang Chuqin's talent, he’s still not mentally strong enough for the biggest stages. As mentioned in the video, this isn’t the first time he’s choked under pressure. I also remember a big choke during the Chinese Super League a few years back when Wang Chuqin lost 18 points in a row, causing his team to lose the championship. He was also the first player to lose to a foreigner in the World Team Table Tennis Championships two consecutive times.
Wang Chuqin may be a great player, but without the right mentality, He might just end up like Xu Xin, Wang Liqin, and Liu Shiwen-players who were incredible, won numerous titles, and even became world number one, but probably won't ever reach Grand Slam status.
I agree. He needs a better mentality
People need to start understanding the current landscape of men's table tennis:
1) Players are getting stronger and stronger. China is no longer the once dominant nation we once knew. All countries have very advanced techniques and strategies. Its no longer exclusive to China.
2) Ma Long was truly one of kind. His achievement has peaked and reach the ceiling of professional table tennis. No current players are anywhere close to achieving what Ma Long has. And I don't think anyone else can either in the short run. I think people need to start putting less expectation on the future generations that they can replicate what Ma Long has done.
3) Give Wang Chuqin a break. He just had his favorite racket stepped on and couldn't play as well with the spare one. Plus, he didn't lose empty handed, he helped China won the mixed doubles which was the category that China fail to get in Tokyo.
He still has team's event to prove himself. Its not all over yet for Wang Chuqin.
Frr nice explanation. Maybe ML could have been the better choice but I still agree with reasonable explantions.🎉
Well said
China won the Team Gold medals for both Men and Women as well!
Ma Long obliterated Wang 4-0 in their last meeting a couple of months ago.
Moreover, Ma has proven that he rises to the occasion in big matches, ESPECIALLY the Olympics.
We all knew Wang was not ready yet.
Yeah, Ma Long played like a god in that match. It was absolutely brutal.
well it's hard to always be on your best. Remember Wang also obliterated Fan 4-0 in a final.
@@mattheww4862 We're talking the most recent meeting between the two, when the Olympic selection decision was still on the table. Ma rose to the occasion, and Wang didn't.
I still believe in Fan!
He's the only player that has been by china's side from the beginning and who has never down china
I still like Wang Chuqin no matter what people said. He is a superbTable tennis player. He will win again and again for sure!
People need to understand that Wang is just 24 and he already worked himself up to earn the Olympics singles slot. How many athletes can say that? Ma Long didn't become a grand slam at 24. He won his first World Championship title at 27 and first Olympics at 28. Chen Meng won her first Olympics at 27 and now being 30, hasn't won the World championship title yet. Liu Shiwen won her world Champion title at 28. If Fan Zhendong were to win the gold in Paris, he would've done it at 27. Sun Yingsha at 24, had her previous Olympics experience, still hasn't win the gold medal. Why are people being so hard on Wang? Most of the fans are not from China anyway and whether China wins or lose the gold doesn't affect you at all. If China loses, at most it satisfies your inner ego as a Ma Long fan. I doubt if Ma Long got selected and lost you would scold him.
Appreciate your deep analizing!
You can think to make lower music background, it will be easier to hear you - just my opinion
Good luck!
Ma Long fan suggested selection criteria:
1) Must have Ma Long 😂
Choosing Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong for singles was perfectly reasonably. The two of them are the least likely to lose to a foreign player based on available evidence. That does not mean that they are invincible. The game has evolved very rapidly in the last 4-5 years. In the men's game the rest of the world has considerably improved their game. Players like Harimoto, Moregardh, Jang Woojin, Calderano, the Lebrun brothers, Lin Yun-Ju, etc. play at really high levels. While Fan Zhendong and Wang Chuqin are still the best players in the world, the difference between their levels and the top non-Chinese players is small enough for them to get beaten quite frequently. If the current trend continues, we are going to see Chinese male players being beaten by non-Chinese opponents more often. That does not mean they are bad players, or the selection criteria are flawed. Also players' performances vary randomly from day to day. While Wang Chuqin is definitely a better player than Truls Moregardh (in fact he has been the best player in the world over the last two years), on that particular day Truls played at an incredibly high level, while Wang Chuqin was not at his best. In the 2010s, the gulf between China and the rest of the world was so enormous that if a Chinese player underperformed, they would still win comfortably. That is no longer the case. Exciting times ahead!
The most mature and logical comment in the entire comment section!
Wang Chuqin's lost in the Olympics doesn't make the Chinese administrator's selection any less fair or wrong. Every Chinese player competed under the same system and was informed about the criterias. Ma Long along side the other Chinese Players were given equal amount of tournaments to participate and accumulate points. Including Smashes, Star Contenders and World Championships. Ma Long failed to deliver in any of these tournaments other than the world cup.
While Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong are reaching finals and winning titles in those WTT events and world Championships, Ma Long was constantly losing out in the early stages of every round, including losses to foreigners. That is why he lacked behind in points which resulted in him losing the slot.
Wang Chuqin won the most titles and became world number one. He earned the slot fair and square. Him crashing out is a completely different matter unrelated to fairness. If Ma Long's fans still cannot understand this and keep playing the victim card calling 'justice' for Ma Long, just let them continue to live in their delusions. Like what the video said, fans would only think the selections is fair if Ma Long plays.
@@starking1187 That's true. I think if they had another choice, it should have been ma long. Wang still doesn't have much experience compared to fan and ma, and his emotional and mental toughness is extremely important at an event of such magnitude.
Still what happened, happened. He got more points while ma underperformed. If they had free choice, ma was the obvious choice. Experience, mental toughness and strategy is the way to go, and he still plays at the top level, so it's not like he's too old and can't play anymore.
Yes. U r right. Ma lost many matches to foreigners in WTT series. But have you ever watched hin play when the stakes are higher? He is the goat coz he has solutions, strategies n all. Even Fan has lost many times to foreigners.
@@ajitkumarbehera4965Then Ma Long should also win more to earn his slot. Not lost his slot and then have fans cry about how good he is in big tournaments. You good in big tournaments but if you cannot perform well in normal tournaments to earn the spot still useless😅
@@arfanaziz5072 Well he has so much now that he doesn't care about the pennies. He has nothing to prove. He carries 10 WCQ, 10 FZD & a 100 other players in his pocket. He is a player who has beaten his seniors, his contemporaries n his juniors, that too consistently. Dude, he is Ma Long. The synonym of TT.
MA LONG IS THE OPLYMICS ITSELF
He lost because he faced a better player. Did you not watch the match? 😊
Ma long still would have lost had he replaced instead of Wang. It was just a unlucky day after his 🏓 broke.China is blessed to have the tiger heart Wang chuqin.
...didnt truls have to play two games on one day afterwards?
Exactly
YES!
Bravo! And even then, he managed to turn around the game
Damn. I didn't know. Now absolutely no one can use any excuse.
Pure luck
well presented video. I am a Ma Long fan. I believe to ensure victory, you shouls definitely send out your best players. Ma Long simply couldnt perform consistently enough to be selected. One of the comments said it was a mistake choosing Wcq because he lost. He doesn't account the fact that, Ma Long playing wouldn't have guaranteed a win. If Ma Long had lost in an early round which is also entirely possible, he would have contradicted himself because Ma Long losing was a mistake. Having more 'experience and maturity' is just subjective, and with that argument, shouldn't they select Ma Lin or some previous gold medalist as their player? lol.
anyways, the video you made was okay, but too long, just like my comment. I hope to see you making tt content that pops off
Failing is part of success. We can afford to fail. Maybe in the next Olympics, we'll see a stronger Wang Chuqin.
dont list excuses, he lost because he cant win Moregard, finished. he win last games doesnot mean he always win, people like Moregard can become better
Moregard improve a lot playing in the chinese league and know a lot about chinese players
Truls was better, simple as that! 😅
@@johnnyberglund841when this is what you say, you don‘t have a lot of knowledge about tabletennis.
Wang use different bat and lost is an excuse but Ma Long lose to Jang Woojin in Saudi because he know he can't go Olympics is not an excuse. Double standard and blind Hero worship at its finest 😂😂😂
Out of 8 times win 1 and all the sudden he's better. No that's what I call luck. If I buy 9 lottery tickets, and win 1 time, how you call that??
這個情況有發生過在張怡寧在北京奧運會她的球拍不資格所以她要用第二個球拍但她還是贏
她是第二屆參加奧運 而且故意不讓對手知道這是 她是硬撐下來的 像王勵勤也發生同樣的事結果也是輸了
It should be Ma Long on that stage! But I don’t blame Chinese organizers,,,Wang was just better in previous tournaments and he is no.1,,
What's really unfair if the ridiculous two players per country rule. Until 2012, it was 3, but even that was ridiculous and resulted in absurdities like Wang Liqin not playing in 2000, despite being a dominant world number one. All of the top ten should automatically qualify, irrespective of nationality. After that, you can apply limits. It's a travesty that players like Xu Xin, Liang Jingkun and Lin Gaoyuan will never get to play the Olympics singles, while shit players from less successful countries can be five time Olympians. As it stands, the Olympics is a Mickey Mouse tournament in terms of player quality. The prestige is high, but objectively, any decent WTT event is harder to win and has a better field.
马龙在休斯顿世乒赛和这届奥运前的重庆赛时都退赛了，无非就是教练组暗中控制积分的手段罢了。教练组暗中针对马龙并急于培养王楚钦，让这样一个心态不稳的人参加奥运，从王楚钦混双时的状态就看得出来，单打爆冷是意料之内的。教练组太拔苗助长了
拜托黑粉不要在这里乱带风向。重庆赛事已经不再奥运积分里了。马龙退出重庆的时候男单名单老早就公布了，就算参加赢了也去不了奥运才选择退赛以免受伤，不是被压制。休斯顿都已经是3年前的事了什么积分都早已无效了，也不被纳入本次奥运积分里。反观是仁川赛事王楚钦让位不去了，但马龙自己不争气拿不到冠军，还输给一个从未输过的梁靖昆。德班世乒赛有在积分里，马龙自己也是在半决赛输给了王楚钦。一年当中那么多大大小小的国际赛事，龙队自己都夺不了冠军，还输给一大堆老外和队友导致积分严重落后，你怪的了谁？
你说中国重点栽培王楚钦，何错之有？难道这不是乒协的一项责任？不培养新生代，难道要等马龙樊振东退位后无人定上？马龙自己都已经是双全大满贯了，也是全世界公认的”神”。还需要被”重点栽培”不？真的佩服这些黑粉。完全不用带有任何逻辑的酸。
I think admin should reply for this
@@SAURAVKUMAR-qj3lm they won’t give any explanation
Wang Chuqin is a young and hungry player who really wants to create a legacy for himself. He is very motivated to play in every tournament to hunt for those titles. However, Olympics is different. China puts high emphasis on it and to China, the Olympics gold is more of a responsibility rather than a dream. Wang Chuqin may be able to win the normal tournaments as coaches puts lets emphasis on it and winning is not mandatory. Therefore, Wang Chuqin can play his best by being relaxed. But for the Olympics, China sets a "MUST WIN" criteria for the players, leading anybody who took up the role to be exposed to a whole new level of stress. Wang Chuqin wasn't able to live up to expectation. Wang Chuqin really needs to hold himself together and not screw up in the teams. Otherwise at that time, it will not only be the public who bashes him, the coaches will also start to take action.
By by Wang. Nice greetings to Ma Long 😂
China team has no choice but to let Wang Chuqin play Olympics single because of Ma Long's strength ebbing and injuries. If Ma Long were able-bodied, China team would let him play both single and team. If so, the best arrangement for Wang is to play MD and team for that high fault tolerance and next Olympics to play single and team
A little correction, if Ma Long was able-bodied, he would've beaten Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong easily by his own means, no need for team China to make way. He would've taken more titles and lose less, allowing him have enough points to qualify for the Olympics. But it's easily observable that Ma Long couldn't capture the wins now due to his age. That's how he lost the slot to Wang Chuqin who we know now isn't ready for big titles. But it cannot be helped, Wang Chuqin earned it fair & square but Ma Long didn't.
Sun Yingsha is a guy..prove me wrong. Robert at 69 at the club level at 69 playing the RVP style.
05:02 Wang Chuqin hater?? Why the f... would someone hate this guy?
Can’t be on top forever. US lost to China in 100 swim relay. Winning n losing is part of sport.
Its sad to see so many delusional Ma Long fans still failed to understand why their idol lost the slot to the two current selected players even though you have made multiple videos explaining the criterias. Ma Long was not robbed and never was. His performance was inferior compared to WCQ and FZD and it does not matter if you deliver when it matters or not because you still have to earn that slot following the rules set by the coaches. If you truly believe that you have chance to win the Gold for the third time, they you should have played your heart out even in the normal tournament to earn the Olympic slot. Other players like WCQ and FZD wants to win gold too. What makes you think that ML should be given an automatic free slot? WCQ lost in the Olympics, yes. But he won the slot fair and square. Ma Long fans can only continuously hate WCQ because thats the only way to make themselves feel better about Ma Long's absence.
this is God's punishment for not letting Ma Long play
China still won what punishment you talking about lol. Please don't bring God into this when your own "god" failed to qualify by his own means.
Ma Long had injuries. Was that mentioned in the video?
ma long many lost because he play in many tournament..other china player few lost because only few game join every year
Strategy more then skill i think... Thx
China picked their strongest team. All sports persons (professional or otherwise) are responsible for their own equipment. Leaving your gear on the floor in a footfall area is asking for trouble. Wang Chuquin gave a classy interview after his defeat and didn't blame anything or anyone other than himself for the loss. He is still ranked no.1 and deservedly so.
Of course he has to take the blame that's how a professional person is but if we based in the video I don't think it is his fault, because it is in his coach seat's floor easy as that and that photographer has a place and a brain atleast to see ang take step where his place is
I just the like count go from 69 to70
First of all, you don't have to be an asshole, so piss off.
And sencond, of course they should have picked Ma Long and Fan Zhendong. Fan was no1 for years and Ma is one of the best players in the world even as we speak. They both have something much more important than the title of no1 or strenth and speed. Experience and mental resilience forged from years of tournaments/events and age and more importantly, mental training/conditioning.
They're both more mature and have a stable psycology that Wang hasn't developed. You can't fix a missfunctioning mind in a year or two, Wang hasn't overcome his behavirioural issues, nerves and mental weakness that he showed a few years ago. These things take years and years to suppress, because they can't be fixed, only suppressed.
Wang is still a kid and has showed in the past how bad his emotional control is, while the other two have the required experience to know what to do in the worst case scenarios and mental toughness, that again Wang lacks. On top of that, both Ma and Fan never showed any mental issues to the degree that Wang has. Wang lost control and became emotional when pressure was lower than this, and now that pressure was even higher, he lost control, in the way of stress, again.
It's logistics, Wang was the wrong pick. Ma and Fan was the only pair that made sense choosing for the singles.
Ain’t reading allat and calm down bro 😂
Womp womp crybaby moment
When you are the freaking dominant n°1 world ranking, there is no discussion about whether you go or not to the Olympics. You must go!!
It’s an irony that the world no.1 is not sent to Olympics!
@@rodrigoangelo488 It happened at least twice, most recently Ma Long in 2012. They did't care if you are No. 1, they care if you have won in the major tournaments, and Wang, being only a year smaller than Fan Zhendong, have won nothing significant.
他结束了前一晚的混双决赛，然后第二天上午用备用球拍上场的时候，备用拍的胶水都没有干透。。。我只能说，王非常不辛运😂😢
孩子们，别洗了，他自己之前比赛都有过换拍，自从张怡宁事件之后，国乒选手都会同时维护好几副拍子并且训练的时候轮流用。他自己都承认输球不是拍子的问题
他自己承认不是要被喷死。况且他主要受到影响的地方还是心态不是球拍。他又年轻，但凡大场面上受到心态影响是很严重的。我不知道你有没有经历过。
@@VickyZhao-qf5po 所以说白了就是国乒21世纪最水的世界第一。三大赛成绩挂0，奥运会最耻辱纪录。以前张继科落后水谷隼，马龙落后郑荣植，都不至于心态崩盘。此外这个年轻也是扯淡，98改00的，骗的了自己骗不了身体机能，下一届奔三十的人了
And you are a WCQ loverboy. He lost, that's it. Was it a mistake chosing him? Yes, simply because he lost.
Was the selection method somehow flawd? Yes, simply because he lost, against a foreigner. If it was foolproof he should have not put chinaz or even FZD on the pedestal.
You even expounded on why Ma was not selected, how is that even logical on WCQ's lost.
You completely ignored the fact that Ma Long didn't win any tournaments and lost to a bunch of foreigners and teammates himself. China never surpressed him by not allowing him to play tournaments and accumulate points. He was given a fair opportunity but he underperformed. I like how Ma Long fans constantly refuse to accept Ma Long's own failure to deliver and continuously hate on others who have worked hard to earn the slot.
There's nothing Inhertitantly wrong with the selection. All players just have one task which is to win as much as possible. Ma Long had ONE job, which was to win. He failed to prove himself worthy this time around. Ma Long is not guaranteed to win either given his declining performance. It's only fanboy fan girls who fantasize that he can because they are blind supporters.
Wang lost means the selection is wrong? Does Ma Long lovers have any better logic? 😂😂
@@jacksonlok9675 He just won this year's WC, wdym ML won nothing?
@@YitangChen-s4x one tournament won out of 10-20 tournaments during the entire year of the Olympic Qualification Period and you want to boast about it? Not trying to take anything away from Ma Long for that impressive win as he showed his adaptability, but it's still just one tournament which inherently means it's not enough to qualify given that his other tournament's performance is average.
Try to think by comparison how many titles and finals Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong achieved during the 1 year qualification period then talk about fairness.