@ thank you!! One thing I will say, is some of the videos after this one my mic quality is all over the place. I didn’t have my set up at the time cause I was moving so I just recorded anywhere I could lol I’m planning on redoing these lines and posting em to my channel
There's something cathartic about watching Sonic get beat up. But Jesus! Surge was strangling him underwater while electrocuting him. Dude was literally dead for a few seconds.
Every once in a while, I try to think about how Sonic would react to Surge and the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced it would've gone down the way it does. Surge wants everything to end because of what she went through. She's essentially victim blaming even tho in THIS very arc, she's putting people in danger and exploiting the powers of living creatures to fuel her one sided "revenge" against someone who's considered a HERO. Who's saved more lives than I can count. So, what? Because he's tangentially related with your creation and suffering, that's somehow HIS fault? That's my problem with this arc, cuz she's so caught up in her bitterness and vengeance, that she never gets to reflect on her actions. She doesn't get this moment to think "Am I doing the same things Starline did?" "Is Sonic really to blame for stopping Eggman?" Maybe Sonic would wish she would change, but less in a "I gotta convince her to switch sides!" and more of a "It's sad it has to be this way." but if Surge wants to squabble, he'll be there any day of the week.
I don't know why, but Sonic's face when Surge fainted was really funny, my bro was about to tell Maria that Shadow was being a jerk the whole story, the gates of heaven were right there in front of him.
The issue I believe this Sonic has isn’t that he’s trying to change his enemies, he’s done that before. The issue is that he’s WAY too pushy about it. He goes on and on and on about how they can change, to the point where he sounds pretentious.
Yea he’s like obsessed with it lol I think they’re trying to have something going on for Sonic’s character and it just doesn’t work imo cuz they never really fully commit to it either
53:00 You’ve got to be kidding me- LITERALLY what accountability? Kit is not right here at all. Sonic shouldn’t feel accountable for a single thing Kit said.
"You just wanna prove your way is right" No, Kit, he just doesn't want anyone to fucking die. I am so sick of these so-called moral quandaries in media because at the end of the day the distinction between good and bad isn't complex. Now, whether SPECIFIC ACTIONS tow that line or definitively fall into one of the two parties can get complicated, but GOOD AND BAD IN GENERAL is VERY EASY to define. Good is agency. Aside from survival, personal agency is a human being's #1 priority in their existence. They want the freedom to choose their own fate. This is why we attempt to find ways to EXTEND our lifespans, ways to prevent others from cutting off our opportunities, the things we feel we've earned, etc.. It is perfectly fine to exercise your own personal agency SO LONG AS in doing so you don't take away OTHER PEOPLE's personal agency. This is where the line-towing comes in-how much is "too much" to take the agency from one who would take agency from others? But, thankfully, Sonic doesn't delve into these questions. Sonic KEEPS it simple. Sonic is on the side of good because he is on the side of freedom. Eggman is on the side of bad because he is on the side of oppression. This has never been about "proving who's right"-both Sonic AND Eggman are aware of who is right and who is wrong, and agree on it, too. Eggman openly admits to things like preferring wins where he cheats to get ahead, enjoying dominating others and causing suffering for his plans, so on, so forth. He will NEVER sincerely say that he is in "the right." So I have NO FUCKING IDEA where Kit is getting the idea that either of them seek validation through converting Kit and Surge. Sonic wants good people to fight the good fight with the other good people, and live in peace. Eggman wants the opposite. They are both trying to further their goals, yes-but SONIC’S GOAL IS DIRECTLY BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE IN GENERAL, while Eggman’s is not only exclusively beneficial to HIMSELF, but directly DISBENEFICIAL to EVERYONE ELSE. I understand how Kit could be losing his mind or something, but hearing someone AGREE with him here is just asinine.
He is right though. Sonic's conflict with Eggman has done a lot of collateral damage; from the war in Sonic Forces all the way to the Metal Virus. And whether or not you think which side is right or wrong is irrelevant; Morality in Mobius is dictated by those who have the power to control it, and guess who had the power to do just that?
@@markquezasbury1372 1. Möbius Isn’t a thing. It’s just “earth” 2. That isn’t watch Kit is arguing for genius. Kit is arguing morality, so it being irrelevant is just ignorant. 3. What trap is arguing here is that sonic should feel accountable for something he isn’t responsible for in the slightest. He’s literally twisting kits argument to try and make it correct for his own biases against IDW sonic. Kit isn’t right in the slightest in this argument.
@@markquezasbury1372 EGGMAN doing what EGGMAN wants is what causes the collateral damage. How the hell is any of Forces Sonic's fault after he got pulled up on, outsped for the first time ever, knocked out, kidnapped, and then held in captivity and tortured for 6 months? What was he supposed to do? You can make the argument of "well maybe Sonic is harming people by letting Eggman get away after he's stopped," and yes, I get that, I'm not going to discourage that line of thinking. But one thing you CANNOT say is that he does MORE harm than good. He stops problems that have literally nothing to do with his actions or inactions at all (remember the Storybook series?) Morality is morality. It is not controlled by any individual. As sapient beings, what is "moral" is what we, as a collective, value, regardless of upbringing. ALL of us, regardless of background, monetary status, occupation, birthplace, race, sex, etc. care about our personal agency, which tells us that this is not a value we have been instilled with by anyone's design, but a value, or rather, THE value, that we naturally have, and so protecting that value is the crux of morality. Eggman is anti-freedom. That is his ENTIRE thing. He is anti-morality, he does not believe for even a SECOND that he is doing the right thing, he REVELS in knowing that he is doing the WRONG thing.
@Your7T7 Again Sonic openly participating in the fighting and allowing people like Eggman and the sinister 6 to make choices to do whatever they want are his fault. And no amount of grandstanding and fart-huffing is going to fix that if it leads to the same outcome.
Wait... Sonic hurt his leg? How? What happened? I don't read IDW. It's weird because Sonic has superhuman durability, his leg bones are stronger than steel.
Breaking news, powerscalers discover that their godmodding fanfiction to make their characters seem like unkillable deities is only an out of control fanbase thing, and the writers really do not care and will make a story out of anything regardless because they are the writers and they decide what happens.
Yeeeeahhhh IDW reactions back! I knew you would get a kick out of Surge calling Sonic out about grandstanding since that’s been your biggest issue with him since your reactions started 😂. Thankfully Sonic does get less preachy later on but that’s also because Ian had stopped writing at that point to move on to the games and Evan and others took over etc. growing pains for sure from this to how he cooked with Shadow Gens.
Man, these dubs you're currently watching really makes me appreciate the quality of Adrenaline Dubs. Like why do they zoom in on the panels so much? You can't see the art. Also, at one point, they used the Burst Whisp sound effect for the Rocket Whisp lol
I mean it’s a dub if you really think about it’s a great marketing move to promote people who have a strong interest to go buy the actual comic so they can view the pages in full glory.
Yeah, when I first read this issue many months ago, I loved Surge man---She's just so badass and cool. Her and Scourge would both definitely get along well. Surge and Sonic are such powerhouses; that battle was insane!
also the editing in the dub cut out it but during a close ups while surge was going though eggman's stuff picks up the gun he threatened amy with in SA2.
Is the comic "self aware" because the clearly delusional morally wrong and unfairly biased characters agree with your points? Isn't that working against Your argument?
How can you say Kit is morally wrong when he's utilizing his freedom to do what he wants? Sonic has been preaching throughout the comic that everyone has the freedom to do whatever they want,yet it has to be under his terms? Sounds like a contradiction.
This arc had me on the edge of my seat.I felt so bad for Surge, all she wanted was to know her past Starline took away her, and she believes that Sonic's death would give her peace. What exactly were you not expecting from this fight?
As weird as it seems, I don't think Sonic is acting out of character in IDW. I think the issue is the story constantly having to make him explain not offing anyone. He's essentially in the same position as batman except in a lot of cases batman's moral code is a focal point of his stories, rather than it just be a narrative device to justify a villain's antagonism (like with surge).
I think the reasoning you just gave is valid but because they’re putting Sonic in these situations it causes for some out of character type dialogue. Which now creates 2 problems, the stories not feeling like “Sonic the hedgehog” stories AND Sonic himself says things that’s out of character
@@LocalTrapTV I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't feel out of place, I just hope that because Surge is now an establish part of the cast, we won't see that side of sonic again lmao
53:00 what accountability? Kit made his choice and side and also got his friend back to surge kit chose their path and way there's no reason for him to have any concern about them because kit made his choice clear.. Also after issue 50 i did noticed his characterization was abit better here and in other future issues...like i think post issue 50 his characterization does get better you know it's been a year we haven't seen any of this kind of stuff from sonic again post issue 50 i think it's best to just drop this whole philosophy concept for sonic entirely or make it work.
After the character assassination of Captain Ironwood in late V7 & V8, I've given up on the series. The characters feel extremely inconsistent & reactionary, even to the point where amongst themselves & whomever they're interacting with, they can't keep up with what they're doing & saying. Hopefully the series ends soon, so that at least a world I once fell in love with isn't further bastardized.
Bro's really siding with the obvious villains. I already thought you had some dumb takes in the previous videos about Sonic, but this is straight up brain dead.
Y’all take this shit too seriously man if you really think I’m saying anything of that unironically you’re too far gone brother. And if you’re going to insult me for enjoying myself reading through a comic then leave nigga you’re the exact type of person that I don’t want watching.
@@gazelle_diamond9768Who does? Throughout the entire Metal Virus arc he's huffing his own farts while acting as if his way of doing things is the right way. This not only does this come off as condescending but also pandering to the viewer.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 Im saying that throughout Issues 1-50 Sonic has been a Self-righteous know-it-all who believes only he can pass judgment on anyone who opposes him. It gets old real quick and makes an already egotistical and cocky character unbearable.
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Oh hey I voice Kitsunami in these videos!
Glad you enjoyed it!
NOICE!! Banger job really makes me like the character even more
@ thank you!!
One thing I will say, is some of the videos after this one my mic quality is all over the place. I didn’t have my set up at the time cause I was moving so I just recorded anywhere I could lol I’m planning on redoing these lines and posting em to my channel
There's something cathartic about watching Sonic get beat up. But Jesus! Surge was strangling him underwater while electrocuting him. Dude was literally dead for a few seconds.
"But when I say it, I'm the Bad Guy" You say as if Surge Isn't the bad guy
Nah bro I say it as if I’m joking lmao
@@LocalTrapTVwhere’s the funny then?
@@ej8476 nigga put it twice 💀
@@ej8476 ok you're mad we get it.
But she isn't. If we go by Sonic's logic her right to seek revenge is justified so long as no one stops her.
Every once in a while, I try to think about how Sonic would react to Surge and the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced it would've gone down the way it does.
Surge wants everything to end because of what she went through. She's essentially victim blaming even tho in THIS very arc, she's putting people in danger and exploiting the powers of living creatures to fuel her one sided "revenge" against someone who's considered a HERO. Who's saved more lives than I can count. So, what? Because he's tangentially related with your creation and suffering, that's somehow HIS fault? That's my problem with this arc, cuz she's so caught up in her bitterness and vengeance, that she never gets to reflect on her actions. She doesn't get this moment to think "Am I doing the same things Starline did?" "Is Sonic really to blame for stopping Eggman?"
Maybe Sonic would wish she would change, but less in a "I gotta convince her to switch sides!" and more of a "It's sad it has to be this way." but if Surge wants to squabble, he'll be there any day of the week.
I love how surge calls it a "near-losing" experience. Love the pettyness.
39:29 love that they brought back chias drives from the adventure games.
Surge's va is killing it.
I don't know why, but Sonic's face when Surge fainted was really funny, my bro was about to tell Maria that Shadow was being a jerk the whole story, the gates of heaven were right there in front of him.
The issue I believe this Sonic has isn’t that he’s trying to change his enemies, he’s done that before. The issue is that he’s WAY too pushy about it. He goes on and on and on about how they can change, to the point where he sounds pretentious.
Yea he’s like obsessed with it lol I think they’re trying to have something going on for Sonic’s character and it just doesn’t work imo cuz they never really fully commit to it either
53:00
You’ve got to be kidding me- LITERALLY what accountability?
Kit is not right here at all. Sonic shouldn’t feel accountable for a single thing Kit said.
"You just wanna prove your way is right"
No, Kit, he just doesn't want anyone to fucking die.
I am so sick of these so-called moral quandaries in media because at the end of the day the distinction between good and bad isn't complex. Now, whether SPECIFIC ACTIONS tow that line or definitively fall into one of the two parties can get complicated, but GOOD AND BAD IN GENERAL is VERY EASY to define.
Good is agency. Aside from survival, personal agency is a human being's #1 priority in their existence. They want the freedom to choose their own fate. This is why we attempt to find ways to EXTEND our lifespans, ways to prevent others from cutting off our opportunities, the things we feel we've earned, etc.. It is perfectly fine to exercise your own personal agency SO LONG AS in doing so you don't take away OTHER PEOPLE's personal agency. This is where the line-towing comes in-how much is "too much" to take the agency from one who would take agency from others? But, thankfully, Sonic doesn't delve into these questions. Sonic KEEPS it simple.
Sonic is on the side of good because he is on the side of freedom. Eggman is on the side of bad because he is on the side of oppression. This has never been about "proving who's right"-both Sonic AND Eggman are aware of who is right and who is wrong, and agree on it, too. Eggman openly admits to things like preferring wins where he cheats to get ahead, enjoying dominating others and causing suffering for his plans, so on, so forth. He will NEVER sincerely say that he is in "the right." So I have NO FUCKING IDEA where Kit is getting the idea that either of them seek validation through converting Kit and Surge. Sonic wants good people to fight the good fight with the other good people, and live in peace. Eggman wants the opposite. They are both trying to further their goals, yes-but SONIC’S GOAL IS DIRECTLY BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE IN GENERAL, while Eggman’s is not only exclusively beneficial to HIMSELF, but directly DISBENEFICIAL to EVERYONE ELSE.
I understand how Kit could be losing his mind or something, but hearing someone AGREE with him here is just asinine.
He is right though. Sonic's conflict with Eggman has done a lot of collateral damage; from the war in Sonic Forces all the way to the Metal Virus. And whether or not you think which side is right or wrong is irrelevant; Morality in Mobius is dictated by those who have the power to control it, and guess who had the power to do just that?
@@markquezasbury1372 1. Möbius Isn’t a thing. It’s just “earth”
2. That isn’t watch Kit is arguing for genius. Kit is arguing morality, so it being irrelevant is just ignorant.
3. What trap is arguing here is that sonic should feel accountable for something he isn’t responsible for in the slightest. He’s literally twisting kits argument to try and make it correct for his own biases against IDW sonic. Kit isn’t right in the slightest in this argument.
@@markquezasbury1372 EGGMAN doing what EGGMAN wants is what causes the collateral damage. How the hell is any of Forces Sonic's fault after he got pulled up on, outsped for the first time ever, knocked out, kidnapped, and then held in captivity and tortured for 6 months? What was he supposed to do?
You can make the argument of "well maybe Sonic is harming people by letting Eggman get away after he's stopped," and yes, I get that, I'm not going to discourage that line of thinking. But one thing you CANNOT say is that he does MORE harm than good. He stops problems that have literally nothing to do with his actions or inactions at all (remember the Storybook series?)
Morality is morality. It is not controlled by any individual. As sapient beings, what is "moral" is what we, as a collective, value, regardless of upbringing. ALL of us, regardless of background, monetary status, occupation, birthplace, race, sex, etc. care about our personal agency, which tells us that this is not a value we have been instilled with by anyone's design, but a value, or rather, THE value, that we naturally have, and so protecting that value is the crux of morality.
Eggman is anti-freedom. That is his ENTIRE thing. He is anti-morality, he does not believe for even a SECOND that he is doing the right thing, he REVELS in knowing that he is doing the WRONG thing.
@Your7T7 Again Sonic openly participating in the fighting and allowing people like Eggman and the sinister 6 to make choices to do whatever they want are his fault. And no amount of grandstanding and fart-huffing is going to fix that if it leads to the same outcome.
Like Surge got the Omnitrix of wisps, but she's not Ben 10
Ben 10 whips that trick
Wait... Sonic hurt his leg? How? What happened? I don't read IDW.
It's weird because Sonic has superhuman durability, his leg bones are stronger than steel.
Breaking news, powerscalers discover that their godmodding fanfiction to make their characters seem like unkillable deities is only an out of control fanbase thing, and the writers really do not care and will make a story out of anything regardless because they are the writers and they decide what happens.
i'm not even suprised because idw really nerfed sonic bro literally taken down by a regular salemander in issue 68!!
Yeeeeahhhh IDW reactions back! I knew you would get a kick out of Surge calling Sonic out about grandstanding since that’s been your biggest issue with him since your reactions started 😂. Thankfully Sonic does get less preachy later on but that’s also because Ian had stopped writing at that point to move on to the games and Evan and others took over etc. growing pains for sure from this to how he cooked with Shadow Gens.
It’s really crazy cuz it’s damn near verbatim what I was saying in previous videos 😭😭
@ bar for bar 😂
Don't get your hopes up he's returning for issue 75...he never left let see how he will write sonic issue 75
I can't wait for the eggman city fight.
I will only say its no use
Man, these dubs you're currently watching really makes me appreciate the quality of Adrenaline Dubs. Like why do they zoom in on the panels so much? You can't see the art. Also, at one point, they used the Burst Whisp sound effect for the Rocket Whisp lol
I mean it’s a dub if you really think about it’s a great marketing move to promote people who have a strong interest to go buy the actual comic so they can view the pages in full glory.
Adrenaline used to do the exact same thing
No reason to punch one down to raise another up
Yeah, when I first read this issue many months ago, I loved Surge man---She's just so badass and cool. Her and Scourge would both definitely get along well.
Surge and Sonic are such powerhouses; that battle was insane!
49:43 Nice placement for the anime angry symbol
Where did you get that wallpaper I can’t find an animated version?
Wallpaper engine on steam
Thanks
also the editing in the dub cut out it but during a close ups while surge was going though eggman's stuff picks up the gun he threatened amy with in SA2.
This is canon by the way. This takes place after Sonic forces.
Is the comic "self aware" because the clearly delusional morally wrong and unfairly biased characters agree with your points? Isn't that working against Your argument?
We’re just joking around on stream man plz don’t take it seriously😭
@@LocalTrapTVwhere’s the funny then?
@@ej8476 idk man if you don’t find it funny then I guess it’s nowhere to be found 😂
Is that really the case though?
How can you say Kit is morally wrong when he's utilizing his freedom to do what he wants? Sonic has been preaching throughout the comic that everyone has the freedom to do whatever they want,yet it has to be under his terms? Sounds like a contradiction.
This arc had me on the edge of my seat.I felt so bad for Surge, all she wanted was to know her past Starline took away her, and she believes that Sonic's death would give her peace. What exactly were you not expecting from this fight?
Kinda just a title for the video ngl lol
@LocalTrapTV I don't understand what you mean?
@@ray-boi1351 you just asked me what I was not expecting from this fight???
@LocalTrapTV yes
@@ray-boi1351 and I’m assuming you’re asking that because of the title of the video right???
As weird as it seems, I don't think Sonic is acting out of character in IDW. I think the issue is the story constantly having to make him explain not offing anyone. He's essentially in the same position as batman except in a lot of cases batman's moral code is a focal point of his stories, rather than it just be a narrative device to justify a villain's antagonism (like with surge).
I think the reasoning you just gave is valid but because they’re putting Sonic in these situations it causes for some out of character type dialogue. Which now creates 2 problems, the stories not feeling like “Sonic the hedgehog” stories AND Sonic himself says things that’s out of character
@@LocalTrapTV I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't feel out of place, I just hope that because Surge is now an establish part of the cast, we won't see that side of sonic again lmao
53:00 what accountability? Kit made his choice and side and also got his friend back to surge kit chose their path and way there's no reason for him to have any concern about them because kit made his choice clear..
Also after issue 50 i did noticed his characterization was abit better here and in other future issues...like i think post issue 50 his characterization does get better you know it's been a year we haven't seen any of this kind of stuff from sonic again post issue 50 i think it's best to just drop this whole philosophy concept for sonic entirely or make it work.
Sonic be good for like 90% of IDW tbh it’s just certain key dialogue points that I don’t vibe with.
Your one of the best UA-cam reactors 😊
@@emmanuellee431thanks really appreciate it 💯🙏🏽
@@LocalTrapTVMy glorious reactor ❤
This is why I don't think IDW's characterization of Sonic. The Sonic from the games would never act like this.
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Still better writing than RWBY
Well That’s debatable cause they both equal when it comes to music and toxic fandoms
After the character assassination of Captain Ironwood in late V7 & V8, I've given up on the series.
The characters feel extremely inconsistent & reactionary, even to the point where amongst themselves & whomever they're interacting with, they can't keep up with what they're doing & saying.
Hopefully the series ends soon, so that at least a world I once fell in love with isn't further bastardized.
So, what chapter does Sonic drink tea in
Bro's really siding with the obvious villains. I already thought you had some dumb takes in the previous videos about Sonic, but this is straight up brain dead.
Y’all take this shit too seriously man if you really think I’m saying anything of that unironically you’re too far gone brother. And if you’re going to insult me for enjoying myself reading through a comic then leave nigga you’re the exact type of person that I don’t want watching.
@@LocalTrapTV So then you agree with Sonic?
@@gazelle_diamond9768Who does? Throughout the entire Metal Virus arc he's huffing his own farts while acting as if his way of doing things is the right way. This not only does this come off as condescending but also pandering to the viewer.
@@markquezasbury1372 ...what? Literally what are you even talking about?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 Im saying that throughout Issues 1-50 Sonic has been a Self-righteous know-it-all who believes only he can pass judgment on anyone who opposes him. It gets old real quick and makes an already egotistical and cocky character unbearable.