Here is the answer to Scotty Kilmer's qeustion
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Scotty Kilmer posed the question "Why would a gas station invest in an infrastructure?"
Well I have an answer for that question. Check out this video tu understand why they absolutely WOULD.
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If ev's are so great why is the goverment subsidizing them so much..... the same goes with green energy.... let the free market do it
@chadfinch494 This will be a two part answer. First because change is scary and difficult and humans don't like it. They do like money though. For the second part I agree. Tesla couldn't keep up with demand for years while they did not qualify for a rebate, while most of their competitors were struggling even with it. The problem with the rebate is it lets companies charge more for vehicles rather force them to be competitive.
If ICE vehicles are so great why is the govt subsiding them so much? should the govt stop subsiding the oil industry? How about the auto bailout in 2008, should the govt not bailout automakers like GM or Chrysler?
Let the free market do it
I used to like Scotty's videos years ago, before he started resorting to clickbait.
As a fellow UA-camr, I can understand the desire to do things to bring more traffic to your videos. Clickbait titles may be sketchy, but they do work. Not defending or judging, just saying I get it.
Me too. He's gotten really political for my liking. I think ev cars threaten his livelihood. Plus he lives in Texas and has tried to steal the live free or die motto from New Hampshire.
Yes, I do agree! Gas stations should have at least 2 Ev Fast Charging stations, especially along the highways/freeways
Thanks for the comment and I agree, especially along the highway. I hate driving 5 to 15 minutes away from the highway just to get to the charger as that makes the trip even longer than it already is.
Great response to Scott Kilmer's propaganda.
Thanks for the reply. I think what he puts out is less propaganda and more of his view. One thing I like about his channel is that his criticism of EVs is original and not the same five talking points the real propagandists keep spitting out. That said, the inaccuracies in this video needed to be addressed.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires SK exaggerates a lot esp on things he doesn't either understand and/or like. btw great insightful video!
@@wadevid thank you ever so much. I am glad you enjoyed it.
Seems like restaurants and grocery stores should just start installing charging stations in their parking lots to attract customers.
A gas station will become an outdated paradigm as electric is not carried the same way gasoline is. You don't need huge tanks underground, you don't need to pay an 18 wheeler for delivery.
Or how about the cities install chargers for EV parking only? The city can double dip - parking fee plus electric charge fee.
@bonemasterj Those are outstanding locations for chargers and there are some that do have them just not enough. Here in California most Amazon Fresh sores have 2 to 3 Volta chargers in front and I went to a Norms restaurant which had about 10 Tesla Destination chargers. The best part for the business owner is that they don't even have to spend a lot. These locations can still draw in customers with much cheaper level 2 chargers. The normal Volta setup from above is 2 level 2 chargers and a DC.
I think that's the future. Every parking lot will have some EV charging spaces. Getting a permit should be a lot easier than getting a gas station permit.
Thanks for the comment. I do believe this could be the future, particularly in cities. I attended a EV charging panel last year and you would be surprised how much resistance/red tape there is to installing EV chargers, especially DC chargers.
Of all the Ant-EV Misinformation channels, Kilmer is one of the worst. And his viewers some of the most gullible.
The infrastructure of a gas station is extremely expensive, and most need to be upgraded every ten years. Those upgrades are often mandatory due to franchise agreements.
Most EV charging stations are level 2 chargers, which are much cheaper than DC Fast Chargers and are installed by a charging company, not the individual business owner.
Chargers can be installed anywhere that electricity is available. New land does not need to be purchased, and they can be installed where people shop, work, dine.... Charging takes place while we live our lives. We don't need to go to a special charging facility, like a gas station, to charge while we go about our daily activities.
Kilmer does make one good point though, most charging happens at home while we sleep (whether its 80 or 90% - who cares). It doesn't matter to me how long it takes and I pay about 50 cents a day for my daily driving needs.
@1964mcqueen Thanks for the comment. I did not know about the upgrading every 10 years. Seems like the perfect time to add a charger or two. Level 2 chargers do require a whole lot less infrastructure adjustment Than DC ones and absolutely have their place, though I think that for the get in and get out nature of gas stations DC would be a better match.
When installing a charging station, it's not just the cost of the charger to consider. You also need to factor in the cost of upgrading the mains, especially if you want to install more than one.
Great point. I'm not sure if that was factored into the $40 to 100K or not> higher chance it wasn't. It would be an additional cost,
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires you also have to factor in the cost of land. To process the same number of cars, you need a larger land area. I know it isn't going to be a 1 for 1 calculation, but if it takes 1 or 2 hours to charge, it is going to severly limit the number of customers you can service. The electric cars will also block parking spaces for customers just intending to pop in for 5 minutes to quickly pick something up.
@@PhillipS85 Good point, though it kind of depends. If you are adding/converting a lot of spots you would be absolutely correct. Like I said in the video, I don't think we are there yet. At this point one to two stations should be enough and most stations have space for that. If they don't, and need to buy land then they really need to look at if it's worth it to add the chargers.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Would be great to get your take on this video and for you to throw your own numbers together for the cost of upgrading the infrastructure. ua-cam.com/video/v1n82WCK6bI/v-deo.html
Thanks for the link. The numbers of bays needed for the same throughput are staggering. The good news is that such throughput isn't necessary from a demand perspective. One of the original points of the article Scotty read focuses on the fact that the majority of charging is done at home. I used the national number of 80 percent . So, if every car on the road today was gas and tomorrow they were all magically turned to EVs, they would only need to throughput a fifth of the cars they do now. Now let's raise that to 30 percent because I expect there to be a lot more people charging away from home due to more apartment folks charging. Even then you wouldn't need quite as many chargers because of competition. You can only get gas from a service station, but chargers are also available at malls, plazas, parking lots and restaurants. Now there is also the need for throughput to maintain profit. After some research I found that the profit on charging is actually at least 15 percent plus the likely extra purchases in the store so they would not need as much throughput. As for infrastructure costs, that could easily be its own (long) video. It depends on how many chargers, where and the condition of the existing setup. One other thing to mention that this video and the original article have in common is looking at 100 percent conversion. When I say we are not there yet, I mean a minimum of 20 years and as many as 40 before it would make sense to have more than 50 percent of stalls be electric, add probably 4 years for every 10 percent after that and then between 5 and 10 years before a station pulls it's last pump and even then it would be assuming the next station over still has one. In most places in the country someone could be born today and die of old age before they see the last gas pump at a local filling station
I don't own a ev and I don't think I will ever buy one( they remind me of those 70s radio shack remote control cars), but t think your video makes alot of sense to put chargers at or next to gas stations
Thanks. It really seems like a win-win to me.
yeah it's just practical info
most charging stations are setup up by larger companies. The gas owner just allows them to use the land, or they lease the land. So, the gas station owner probably doesn't have to invest anything.
Well they do still have to pay for the dance floor, fog machine and disco ball. 🤣 Seriously though, that is indeed the current setup. I think for this to be profitable at scale, they may have to invest in their own system and have it be compatible with other networks
Oh and thanks for the insight. Kind of makes the original article even more useless.
I wanted to thank you for this breakdown (to say something positive in addition to my comment about the EV weight concern elsewhere in this thread). I like Scotty and give him props for his mechanical knowledge and experience. But he has dug in against EVs (primarily Tesla) and won’t countenance anything positive about them. And yes.. he has gotten to click-baity with his videos.
@jasondalton6182 Well I thank you for the positive comment no matter what, but I don't think you need to offset your other comment at all. It was informative and spot on. I also respect his knowledge (housekeeping note #2). This video was about the article and not him, something his more empassioned fans seemed to have missed. And his stand on EVs is kind of inherent with any polarized topic. There are plenty of channels that paint EVs as all sunshine and rainbows and ignore their shortcomings. I am Pro EV, but like to think of myself as much more balanced; EVs are great, but they DO have their drawbacks.
EV's are just like everything these days, poisoned by the politics. I have serious concerns about running headlong into mandating EV's everywhere, especially with our power infrastructure already struggling in some areas to keep up with current demand. I also have concerns about how costly they can be and how many unforeseen problems we will have down the road. But we don't need to start treating them like they're lepers in the early 1800's.
The former problem could be addressed with careful policy changes over larger spans of time and more importantly a culture that WANTS to move that way (look how fast we improved battery life and functionality with cellphones once people decided they weren't just for Wall Street execs in Porches). The latter problem will self correct once more wealthy people invest in newer and newer technologies driving down the cost of their old tech. I once did the math on the deprecation of EV's over 5 years and my old Galaxy S8+ that works great and I got for less than $100. The phone STOMPED the EV in depreciation. This is just how tech goes and it benefits the less wealthy in almost every way -- just not immediately.
Edit: In fact, if you eventually moved towards mandating for only the upper class, all of their "old" ICE vehicles would hit the market, the middle class would buy them up, and sell their slightly "older" ICE vehicles -- with much more effort put into fuel efficiency and emissions -- to people that right now are forced to drive much older and inefficient vehicles.
I completely agree. EVs have become completely too political. I also (generally) disagree with mandates on EVs. Let people buy what they want.
I also agree with you that we really need to get the infrastructure ready for the EVs BEFORE we try to have 100% adoption. This lack of infrastructure is probably the most rational barrier to adoption.
You will either need to politically mandate the change or expect corporations to invest in a buildout when there is no demand to cover the cost.
Cell phone was "new tech" that began as a convenience item and later altered how we function.
EV's for the majority of people are a replacement item for a device they already have. There would have to be an incentive to change especially if it includes a learning curve and operational hurdles not part of the original device.
Self driving vehicles would be more akin to the adaption of cell phones.
@@sd70cal that is the problem. I personally am opposed to mandates as I don't think the government should tell car makers what to make/sell. At the same time, the US legacy manufacturers have dragged their feet for so long that the Chinese are ready to destroy the if they ever get into our market.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires I agree with you on the principle of letting manufacturers innovate to meet the demand of it's customer base.
I think the problem is the customer base has not been as demanding as it should be.
Without mandates we would be very slow to have lead free gas, safety glass in windshields, seatbelt designs that work, airbags, better gas mileage, collapsing steering wheel columns, and the list goes on.
The thing I like about government mandates is it levels the playing field when it comes to the cost of innovation. It's easier for one company to do it if the others have the same burden.
Sorry it took a couple days to answer this. I agree there has not been enough customer demand to really push manufacturers. There has certainly been some though. Tesla's success has been based on being the only company really delivering on EVs, even if their build quality was really lacking at first and is still not awesome.
Scotty thinks automotive technology peaked in 1969.
I don't need entertainment. Just give me my damn gas. 😂
Agreed.....only in my case is "just give me my damn elections" 😂
Scotty was talking about California in his first point about home charging. You countered with national figures.
Thanks. You are absolutely correct. I would have addressed the California numbers but it was very hard to find a current study on California.What I found was a 2020 percentage of 86% and a 2021 study of 54%.
Oh and picking California with supposedly the highest rate negates states that may have much lower percentages that may be as low as 60%. I think the national average gives a bigger picture view.
@tr-lj2vx 1,500 and rising....this comment did not age well.
Could you clarify Scotty's view on ev's go threw tires more/faster being they are heavier and they get no where near the range of an ice vehicle? Does the heat/cold really hurt the ev's that bad?
I'm not anti EV, but I believe it is simple fact that they go through tires faster because they are heavier (engineering explained has fairly comprehensive video on EV tires), and anything that runs on a battery will last for a shorter time in colder temperatures.
The older battery chemistries did lose the ability to hold a charge in cold weather. The new chemistries do not have that problem. They can retain over 90% of their charge down to -5 degrees. The new batteries are not prone to burning events like the older chemistries are either.
EV cars on the road today are much heavier than a comparable ICE vehicle. That will wear down your tires. The average EV also has much more torque which can wear tires depending on how you drive. However there are batteries which are just now being produced which can give the same performance in a much smaller package reducing the GVW of a vehicle. The motors are also getting smaller, lighter, and more efficient as the technology continues to improve.
For those who continually discount the practicality of EV's just remind them there was a time ICE vehicles road on wood-spoked wheels and could only utilize 5% of the energy contained in their fuel.
He is correct on this. EVs are heavier so that is more weight on the tires. Additionally, EVs have instant torque which also puts additional stress on the tires, so yes they absolutely do wear our faster.
As for hot and cold. When the battery gets hot, it can accelerate degradation. When it gets too cold, it temporarily shortens the energy transfer in and out of the battery, making for shorter range and longer charge times. This is a very real limitation ov EVs but as the years have passed improvements in thermal management have improved this and the newer LFP batteries have helped reduce this.
Correct. Thanks for the input.
Yes I too have heard that from more than one source. Being a old fart I remember the big tire fire here in Canada and the implementation of a $5 tire tax to "recycle" them. You can buy a $40 floor mats but that's about it after a couple decades.
Since I am anti EV, I guess I should not be listening to your channel then 😂😂
+@rohansplaytimefamilyadvent5058 Maybe not...but I know you are still secretly thinking of getting an i3...or Tesla 😂
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires haha
No matter what you say. EVs is a pile of rubbish 💩💩💩💩
I'm planning on buying an EV in the near future. All of my research so far has indicated that this is a good thing. Please help me understand, point out what I have missed. You could help save me a bundle of $$$. Yes, I know that they are different and there are some downsides but overall, what I have found is on the positive side.
Thanks for the input. Could you be more specific?
@@wingsounds13 Check into the resale value of EVs.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires 1. The cars cost too much and the resale value sucks.
2. There are LOTS of people living in apartments. Just where are they all going to charge their cars? Not exactly convenient. Do you really want to organize your life around your car?
3. The electrical grid cannot handle the load, and NO ONE is pushing to upgrade the grid. CA has already asked their citizens to avoid charging their cars.
4. Where are all the raw materials supposed to come from? The environmentalists say not to dig them up in the USA, better to farm it out to other countries that have fewer environmental laws. That way we can INCREASE pollution. A lot of the stuff comes from China -- we shouldn't be beholden to that country for ANYTHING.
5. Range issues. Especially in cold climates. Want to tow something? Good luck!
6. Parking garages are not designed to hold the increased weight of EVs. You will not be able to fill them up with EVs.
7. If you're unlucky enough to have your EV spontaneously combust, good luck putting out the fire. Hopefully it's not parked in your attached garage.
8. Collision damage? There are numerous auto insurance horror stories.
@@johnroberts3824 lots of FUD.
1. The cars cost too much and the resale value sucks.
Yes, in America, EVs are still expensive. Over here a low priced new EV is still in the $35,000 range. This is due to our market. In China, and even in Europe, there are many, very serviceable EVs available in the $20,000 range and even less. Guess what... the greatest cost of an EV is up front. The cost of operating and maintaining an EV is small when compared to an ICE. Already, lifetime cost of an EV is less than ICE.
Resale value sucks. Weak argument at best. This is true for an ICE too. Most any vehicle loses a significant amount of it's value the moment you drive your new toy off of the dealer's lot. Also, I buy my cars to drive, not to sell. I rarely keep a car less than ten years, and I've had my current car for 14 years. If you buy your cars to sell, that's your problem, not mine. 🙂
This guy is BIAS. Just dont listen to his garble.
@panchopantera5281 Yes I am. I have a pro EV bias, Scotty has an anti-EV bias and if I had to guess, I would put you at anti EV. Of the three of us, I am the only one up front about it. Also I am far less biased than most EV channels. I have no problem highlighting the drawbacks as well as the benefits of EVs.
This video taught me a lot… about reasons not to own a EV
Besides the lack of glamorous charging locations how did it reach you that?
Lol....pro EV, that's like being pro horse over a car.
Shhhh! If the climate crowd hears that they'll start pushing horses on everyone.
Maybe....if the horse was more efficient, faster and more fun
That would be a terrible idea.....one of the leading causes of greenhouse gasses (methane) is cattle. Adding so many horses would be much worse than EVs
I'm sure if you were to go back in time you would find the entrenched horse crowd making the same arguments about cars. You'll have to remember, cars were not very efficient (only converted 5% of the energy of gas), there was next to no roads, only the wealthy could afford them, there was little to no support infrastructure for them and you had to learn how to fix them yourself. Whereas there were stables, tack shops and farriers everywhere. Horses could swim rivers and be fine on single-track trails.
Cars today have benefitted from many years worth of improvements. They've also had infrastructure built out with their needs in mind. EV's are still an emerging technology but the improvements they are seeing will soon make ICE vehicles impractical. Once a $25,000 sedan is available that can go 300 miles with a 10 minute charge the shift will be quick. The production process and components are there. It just needs to be combined into a single buildout on scale. Maybe 2 years??
Unlike you however, Scotty knows how to adjust his audio
@eriknervik9003 Thanks for the feedback.
People will wear out from the EV inconvenience and depreciation/repair disaster. The market will wise up. Its beginning to now as EVs just sit, can't be traded in, cant be fixed... blabla.
@MsElaine122 Only time will tell. I would like to address the inconvenience part though. on road trips and if you don't have access to home charging there is indeed some inconvenience. Smart planning minimizes it, but it is still there. but for the other 48 weeks a year I love the convenience I get being able to fuel up in my driveway while I sleep. The repair issue has been slightly exaggerated in the media. EVs are absolutely more expensive to repair if the battery is damaged and Tesla's are more expensive because they are very limited in allowing repairs. For most non Tesla collisions repairs are the same cost as any car. Someone rear ended me and the fact that it was an EV didn't impact the price at all. Now for depreciation, that is a problem both by virtue of what we see now and because it is inherent to technology. The technology in a gas engine doesn't really evolve much over time, so from a mechanical perspective a ten year old car isn't much different from a brand new one. But EVs are constantly improving and even as little as 5 years can make a huge difference in technology. This is going to create depreciation.
So a guy with 223 subscribers wants to make a name for himself against Scotty Kilmer who has been making videos on UA-cam since it's inception (even before Google bought it) , has been fixing cars for MORE than 50 YEARS, has car fixing videos as far back as the 90's and he's "wrong"?? . GTFOH lol
@luigivincenz3843 Let's start with you logic fallacies. 1. Credentials don't make someone right. I'm sure the design team for the Titanic had lots of credentials. 2. None of the credentials you listed make him an expert in EV charging. 3. It is the article that I have issues with, he just happened to be the one who read it.
With those out of the way, yes he is wrong. Now if you are done jumping to your daddy's rescue and want to discuss the accuracy of the data in my video, I look forward to it.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires Whoa! Chill. Is that how you reply to potential subs for j a new channel? You are pathetic. Again, do you have MORE than 50 years of fixing cars? I rarely watch Scotty anyways. So your mission is go attack other car channels right to get more views right? ;)
There's lots of room for different opinions on the internet. Just because Scotty has been around longer doesn't mean other opinions don't have value (no matter how old they are or, how long they've been 'making videos'). Why are you gatekeeping for Kilmer? I don't think fixing cars or making videos for however long Scotty has done it makes him infallible.
@bonemasterj Thank you an I agree.
@luigivincenz3843 This is my only video addressing another channel and again what does experience in car repair have to go with installing chargers.
You cut him off,didn't you? That's what liars do.
@MarkTurner-vs7uc The only part that I can think of that you are talking about is from the intro, which I chose but where I did because the next 30 or so seconds of him were pretty rambly and ratter than waste the audience's time I cut it. As for being a liar, tell me what he said after the cut that would have changed any of my points. Also the data speaks for itself, there is no need to lie.
Scotty is 100% right and so are you but ONLY because you love government grift which is easy money for you and useless car makers. Congrats.
Do you have a B.S in anything at all? Probably not.
Enjoy your insignificance you share with the current EV downtrend :)
@mordys6305 Wow, So many judgements in there, and many of them wrong.
First, I bought my EV used in 2020 so no, I did not get a penny of government handouts, My next EV will probably not qualify either,
Second, Assosciates in Elecgtro-mechanical operations, Bachelors in General Psychology, Masters in Clinical Psychology, 2 Years of Navy Training in electronics and electro mechanical systems, 8 years of experience working on Electronics, Hydraulics and synchros/servos. Oh and I have attended multiple panels on EV infrastructure barriers and solutions. so Yep, I'm just a clueless idiot!
As for insignificant, you gave me significance by watching and writing this comment and when you read this and agonize over whether to reply, yuo will have just given me more rent free space in your head :)
@BlackSuburban I kind of expected it and to be honest, so far it has been milder than I expected. The worst so far has been by mordy6305 and I am pretty happy with my reply to them. I went into this with the mindset of Cristiano Ronaldo "Your love makes me strong, Your hate makes me unstoppable"
If you want to learn about government grift you should do a deep dive on the building of the US interstate system. A socialist grift project if there ever was one.
@@sd70cal lol. 😂
@@sd70cal because not everyone uses and agreed to it right? low IQ equivalency.
He lost me at pro Ev so i stop watching the video.
Really? Why is that?
Scotty aint neither.
Ah I see, pro slavery guy, care to debate it?
@bobbob61Absolutely! First, claiming pro EV equals pro slavery is disingenuous at best and hypocritical. I bet you typed your comment on a device with a battery. Does that make you pro slavery? Next, what I am guessing you are referring to is the cobalt mining in Africa that has traditionally used child slave labor which is an absolute shame and such practice should not be supported. Luckily, there are things being done about this. BMW came out a few years back and swore to only get their battery contents from ethical sources. Tesla is switching to LFP, which has no cobalt. Now if we could just get apple, Samsung and other cell phone makers to do the same.
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires - no but I don't encourage to grow the industries that do support it you are, but that actually was not the point, more so why ev in the first place? Or do you also believe the exaggerations and outlandish claims about global warming? Either way would love a one on one debate over youtube sometime if you're interested. Have to settle the topic date time moderator, maybe Scotty if your lucky but I'm game if you are, will await to hear back.
I actually have a video on why I bought an EV in my past videos which will explain it better than I can in a message. If you're really asking if I am Pro EV because I am trying to save the world, no. I do believe global warming is real. The data supports it. Whether or not we are the cause is debatable. My personal take is that it is part naturally occurring and we are exacerbating the situation. Will everyone switching to EVs fix that. It couldn't hurt, but it also will not make any meaningful impact. We would be effective by all going vegan....which I am not going to do. As for continuing the discussion, is fine on text and will consider an in person debate. I am reluctant, not because I doubt the validity of my point but because I am a crap debater. My room used to run circles around me...it was pretty sad 😢
@@Wings_Wheels_and_Wires - I can fully see what you are saying. Not to worry, honest dialogue and open debate is not everyones cup of tea. Have a good one!
@@bobbob61 The honest dialogue piece I am all for.....but the open debate... definitely not my thing. Have a great day.