This the most underrated channel on UA-cam, but for us chosen few it is truly a blessing and immensely important. Please don't stop releasing these gems. Thank you.
100% Ive read much of jung and even had the thought that there could not possibly BE a Carl Jung without Nietzsche as I finally dive into Nietzsche's work.
I have spent the last three years reading and studying Jung and Nietzsche deeply. At first I rejected much of Nietzsche, but only because, I assume, I didn't WANT to believe the harsh things he said. I always thought of myself as a "good person" and Nietzsche made me take a hard look in the mirror and really question this. I'm a huge fan of both men, but lately Nietzsche's ideas have really gripped me in the most terrifying and profound ways. I still struggle to fully understand him but fortunately channels like this, The Living Philosophy, The Ark, and Uberboyo provide great perspectives on his work. Each time I reread him, I seem to mine out more understanding. Thank you for your work and as always I look forward to more of your content.
@@Philibuster92 I've never been more challenged by anyone in my entire life. It's very frustrating and yet has changed my life in the best possible way.
@@ericddl if I may ask, what was one of the biggest issues you wrestled with where Nietzsche’s writing played a role in provoking or resolving? For me right now one of his most salient off the cuff remarks he made in Beyond Good and Evil that is challenging me is, “Supposing Truth is a woman, what then?” I used to think I could either be a truth seeking philosopher OR be happily married. I regarded women as basically shallow and motivated by passions over reason and so could not be true allies to someone radically pursuing the truth. But I’ve been single for over a decade and recognize the truths of philosophy and also of my life that I did not adequately grapple with were either symbolically or actually feminine.
@@Philibuster92 I'm not sure I can pinpoint an exact quote on what he said that really drove me into questioning my own flawed perspectives, I can say his idea of the will to power made me think about the cruelty of nature and how my own "Christian morality" were at odds, even though I am not Christian. The idea of eternal recurrence I also found fascinating and insightful. I don't wish to try and give you advice as I am not qualified for any such task but from my own personal experience I've been married to my wife for over ten years and I can honestly say she challenges my philosophy in ways a book can not.
I think your experience reflects that of a lot of people. Nietzsche did not trouble me when I first encountered him. I was troubled before I read Nietzsche and he is the only author that truly gave me clarity (Jung and Machiavelli helped also). I grew up in a highly religious community and I felt since I was a child that something was deeply wrong with it. I saw people who literally thought they were Gods chosen on earth who were cruel, judgmental, arrogant and totally self deceived by their own "goodness". It made me question morality. Nietzsche is an author that will get under your skin. Reading his work will become a life long process of self-transformation. Nietzsche taught me how to read and to think, and how to live also. Thanks for watching the video!
The proof of a great genius is how endlessly he is misunderstood throughout the ages, and even more ironically...how much people are completely obsessed with him, within these misunderstandings and slanders.
Freaud admit that Jung will surpass him and called him his eldest son, Jung is so much more intelligent than Nietzhe, he tried his best to remain objective until the he realized that it is dangerous to guide people into full isolation and no balance of his feminine reflection. This was a great video but you really have to ask yourself, whos fate would you rather have from these 2 obsessive over thinking types. Jung completed his lifes goal of bringing meaning to his fathers fading and more secular soul, he had a bunch of grand kids and could speak multiple languages including ancient latin, Its clear that in his later life, Jung became the greater of the 2 in every way
Paraphrase: "I would not interfere in the competences of the parents, but I wouldn't like to have parents interfere in the competences of a philosopher". - Nietzsche
If I remember correctly, Jung took great pains to locate the source of Nietzche's "complex" in his miserable health. And if I understand Jung, Nieztsche proves himself to be incapable of separating himself from the archetypes when he reacts strongly against rational materialism. "Strong emotion is proof of a projection," and nobody is angrier than Nietzsche at religion and at materialism. It makes sense that he might be unconsciously reacting against these things in himself. And I say this because my own personal spiritual development has so often consisted in recognizing how I was projecting myself into others. I got a lot of inner peace when I realized that *I WAS* all the people I hated. But I don't ever see Nietzsche reach that point. Maybe when he was hugging the horse. But he couldn't exactly tell us about it. More than perhaps anyone else in the last few centuries, Nietzsche's life lends itself to mythologizing. He was a man almost too symbolic to have been real. To quote Jung again, "being a medicine man is not an enviable position." Nietzsche, for lost modern souls, very often is that medicine man. A prophet of Dionysus. But Dionysus is no billboard Jesus--Dionysus will f*** you up.
Almost invariably, the greatest minds in history are delusional in regard to their own greatness. They aren't half as great as they think, but it's their burning desire to be as great as they think that often serves as the driving force which makes them almost half as great as they think they are; and, no less importantly, which convinces many others of their 'greatness' !
Jung revealed the distinguishing skill that catapulted Nietzsche into the league of Plato beyond perhaps even Schopenhauer, and Emerson. Nietzsche was highly trained as a classical philologist immersed in the original sources of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. Hence, Nietzsche gained a profound knowledge of the greatest minds of antiquity and could read the source material in a direct first hand way and not rely on second hand accounts. Imagine being able to understand all the nuances of source material from the Bible in Hebrew or Plato in Greek to appreciate the nuances and meanings of texts directly rather than to accept second hand some other scholars interpretation of the passage. Nietzsche's devastating critique of the intellectual edifice of the times originated because he knew how the professors of the time masked the state/church control over the cultural wasteland. These professorial serfs under state control pushed an agenda, protected their "bread and butter" intellectual moat, as well as just hid unbounded potentiality and luminosity from themselves or others for either lack of courage, intellectual depth, or even just nakedly "hidden in plain sight" sinister reasons. Nietzsche lived and breathed for channeling the creative, sublimated outlet of the will to power. Just as a world class poker player has to live, breathe and sleep poker to be a world champion, a philosopher on the Olympian level of Nietzsche has to breathe the mountain air of pure, inspired energy every day in a way not possible for a man involved in a daily business or practice such as Jung. Sure, the business can keep the man "grounded", but to reach Nietzsche's Olympian level and full spectrum dominance philosophical level you need the foundational basics of classical philology combined with a passion and instinct for enlightenment and illumination based off actual reading of ancient wisdom in the original. As German philosopher Schopenhauer observed, unless a man can read Latin and Greek in the original, there will always be a hole in the scholar's education that undermines the strength of his intellectual thought. This observation is a bitter pill for us all in a vapid age of mass media and hollow men. Nietzsche was just such an intellectual tour de force that we will probably never able to appreciate his greatness or sublime gifts to humanity. Greek and Latin are not emphasized in today's propaganda mills of liberal arts universities or even at the time of Jung when studying Latin and Greek required hard work most were not willing to endure. Nietzsche was a sublime gift to humanity, and in fact his Navy Seal like attack on the soft, descendent Western philosophers and clergy of the time came with devastating force and mountain lightning speed. Ultimately though, Nietzsche's attack came out of a deep love for man and his no limit potential. Once the blinders came off and courageous, disciplined men were made aware of what the actual classical and Biblical texts meant free of some political or mercenary agenda, Nietzsche allows us all to share in the love for expanded grand inner horizons and "satori" enlightenment resulting from the sublimated will to power. In this sense, "the laughing lion" legendary German professor, in exposing the agendas of many "translations" and university moat protecting "degrees" brings us all back to ourselves and our higher man potential. Nietzsche's took humanity out to the creative philosophical edge and gave a wonderous vision of vast intellectual horizons. The grand German' philosopher's lionheart roar, that still reverberates in the Swiss Alps today, echoes how the creative sublimated will to power can allow us to rise high above the dark agendas and deception pervasive amidst the establishment wasteland.
Thank you for another great insight into Nietzsche and Jung. I agree with your conclusion, and it reflects the demeanor of many professors in Academia. Something even Paracelsus fought in the 16th century!
Thank you for your video. I believe Jung may have persuaded Nietzsche of the notion of both suffering from a schizoid (split) core from genetics and upbringing, and Jung had accepted and learned to tolerate it longer than Nietzsche when the realization may have pushed him to the edge. Jung had a constellation of shadows to shapeshift and protect his vulnerable core where Nietzsche had that as well, but he learned to make the most of his knowledge, experiences, and idealized figures from literature, society, and doctrine, and he felt he was meant to aspire to something that couldn’t be reached, and also recognizing the drive was a self-defense mechanism for reality. Its the father time notion of the reaper or the demiurge coming back for payment for the original faustian deal of best self identification for your soul.
Irrational fears ? As opposed to what ? Fear itself is not rational. A man who values his life will naturally fear death. This doesn't make him coward, unless his fear prevents him from acting courageously. A soldier might naturally be afraid on some level of being killed in a war, but so long as he faces his fear and does not allow his fear to prevent him from doing his duty and/or acting courageously during battle, he is certainly not cowardly. However, there is nothing rational or irrational about his feeling afraid. Fear is an emotion - NOT a thought or an action. Strictly speaking, only thoughts are rational or irrational; and actions are either rational or irrational based upon whether or not they are guided by rational or irrational thinking, respectively. So, your phrase 'irrational fear' is itself irrational because it can only be the product of an irrational thought that an emotion is something that can be described as being 'rational' or 'irrational'. Emotions are non-rational, not irrational.
There are things it is very rational to fear. In most cases I think you would be right. In psychopathology there is definitely a concept of irrational fear; it's called "phobia" and Jung seems to have had a phobia in regards to the "danger" Nietzsche presented. This is like a irrational fear of spiders (arachnophobia) except that spiders are real and can pose a real threat whereas Jung was afraid of himself fundamentally. Jung's hysterical reaction to reading Nietzsche is definitely a neurotic fear because the danger was imaginary and so disproportionate.
@@TheMachiavellians If you define an irrational fear as being afraid of something imaginary - such as ghosts --, It is not the fear itself that is irrational, rather it is the thought that such things exist in the first place. If you define it as unjustified fear - such as a fear of spiders -, then again, it is not the fear itself that is irrational, but the thought that there is any real danger. Emotions are just emotions, they have no power of being either rational or irrational themselves.
@@TheMachiavellians Basically, what I am arguing is that it is wrong for psychopathology to focus on the emotion rather than the thinking. The emotion Is just a symptom of the diseased thinking.
@@alwaysgreatusa223 What I don't agree with is the cause and effect relationship you have set up. I agree with you that emotion isn't necessarily bad but I disagree that emotion is just effect. Emotion itself is active and evaluative not blind which already suggests intelligence and even rationality. We view rationality and emotion as opposite because we still adhere to the old western metaphysical tradition. I think thought and emotion are bound up. I will give you there is a problem with thinking but the problem stems from deeper evaluations which both thought and emotion are a product of. In meditation you can experience how closely interconnected thought and emotion is. It's a system. So, yes, I agree the problem is a "diseased thinking" but as long as "thinking" here is taken in the widest possible sense; to include affects and evaluations. Emotion is still just thought. It's considered rational or irrational based on considerations of adaptation. I agree that emotion is often (wrongly) treated as inherently irrational and problematic, whereas its then assumed that if we were just more rational then these problems wouldn't exist. This is very superficial. The focus should be on the evaluations which are the root cause of many neuroses. These problems are a projection and the thinking and emotion connected to this projection are products of an evaluation. There's a problem of adaptation with the environment and that makes it pathological.
@@TheMachiavellians As the Stoics teach, emotions are just reactions to our thoughts. When our thoughts are rational, our emotional reactions are subdued. When our thoughts are irrational, then our emotional reactions are intensified !
Hello sir. Your videos are brilliant and thank you for including time stamps. If you published video transcripts on medium or Substack that would also be immensely helpful
I've been planning on making a website and including my script with references there but haven't done it yet. I'll look into those other sites you mentioned. Thanks for watching the video!
@@TheMachiavellians HELL YEAH BRO Yeah I just got into Medium. It’s absolutely amazing for philosophy, art, and culture. I really wish I checked it out years ago. I’m blown away by the quality of ideas so many people are publishing on that platform. It has humbled my level of expertise immensely while being super inspiring to see there’s such a huge community of like minded people. As for using YT as a learning resource- I’m kinda getting over it. I’m writing a book about the nature of beauty exploring the modern hero and art. Whereas gathering, storing, and accessing information is no short task. Like what am I supposed to do? Hand type quotes and timestamps? That’s goofy. It’s 2023. Additionally, I can’t tell you how many times I have been incredibly moved by a video, and then it’s like I’m just standing there w my schmuck in my hand with no resources cited to dive into the subject. I’m trying to learn. Not be entertained. So yeah, transcripts, let alone sources, really needs to be the standard moving forward in this space. Nevertheless. I will be reaching out to all the channels I sub to. Would love to share my project with anyone interested. I actually have something dope af to use as a spring board to launch my channel and start really growing my community.
21:43 You know what is especially ironically sinister about the “you believe this, you will become crazy” argument is that it’s the SAME argument used against the believers and cult of Dionysus/Bacchus as also being absolutely crazy (and then some including human sacrifice, cannabilism tropes) thousands of years before… the same Dionysus that Nietzsche relies so heavily upon in his works and musings as an antidote trope/figure/archetype to out Modern condition.
When envy is obvious, personal attacks take emminence where philosophical arguments has nothing to do with the advances of philosophical ideas but to quarrel about the language or some improvements of philosophy.
Great criticism of Jung. I'd still argue that Nietzsche was a bit neurotic and that he was a kind of materialist (just not the regular newtonian type). Nevertheless, it's a fantastic video that you've made. I admire your dedication to studying these ideas and enjoy your insights into Nietzsche's thought.
Thanks for this. Open interested in them both for decades but I have so many books I want to read and at the same time I have to be realistic about my abilities. Both these people are so erudite it's hard to get through either of them never mind both: I've decided I need something a bit lighter so I'm reading godel escher Bach by Douglas hofstadter. He has a wonderful way of explaining really complex ideas to lay people. So I'm forced to limit myself in a way to things like that I guess in his own weird way young prove that everybody has a shadow whether he meant to do that or not. This is not an attempt at double speak although as you'll see I appreciated that commentary as well from this channel
And with both of great love and great contempt rises within all. Instinctual is the base symptoms of animals, Yet held in deeper minds. Is the searching wanderer of destroying of why our emotions have an ugly truth. Wonderchek III.
Too much here to discuss superficially but a few caveats: (1) Jung's suggestion that Nietzsche could have benefitted from a better study of Eastern writings is valid (N's friendship with an Eastern scholar is irrelevant here) in that had Nietzsche realised that he wasn't 'alone' except in the western materialist traditions, it might have given him a safety valve that he wasn't burdened with the terrible responsibility! If you know that half the planet has people comfortable with transcendental ideas it surely would be helpful. (2) Jung also felt that a grounding in a scientific discipline, in his case also clinical, might have also proven stabilising. (3) The syphilis thing: Jung knew enough about narcissistic personality types to understand that this madness could be an eventual consequence at that time. Physiological. You can blame narcissism on the syph, but also syph on narcissistic behaviour. (4) Quite wrong to say Nietzsche achieved so much more in life than Jung. He produced a family and prospered, after all. (5) Comparing the Red Book (which lots of Jungians are a little embarrassed by) with ASZ is a bit disingenuous, no? Zarathustra is N's life work summit, the Red Book in no way tries to be. Apples and Pears: you don't compare one man's magnus opus with another man's shopping list. (6) Jung and N both believed it seems to me in a space/time omnipresent interrelated transcendental. Jung tried to harness it and bring it down to ego understanding within a scientific and even clinical net. He never thought he could, but he tried. At no point was his spirituality 'go with the flow'. (7) Because Jung dealt in paradox and 'enantiodromia' as he called them, it's easy to make him seem to be saying his opposite for hatchet jobs. It goes with the territory. By the way, the narrator's intriguing switching between 'Yoong' (correct!) and 'Yungg' throughout may well be symptomatic of a split personality on his part ... (y'see how easy it is to do these shadowboxing tricks ...)
I can't think of a good reason why he misrepresents Nietzsche either except he doesn't like what he says about Christianity. Peterson is smart enough to know what Nietzsche really meant. I've heard him mention specific passages from Nietzsche that challenge his own interpretations.
@@TheMachiavellians Peterstein points out that Nietzsche saw the death of God as something to worry about. That it was a bad thing, which is true in a sense he certainly saw the problem would lead to scientistic nihilism. He was right. But yea Peterstein, for all his talk of Dostoyevsky, never mentions “1000 Years Together”. You could make a video about that book & Peterstein’s connection to Daily Wire 😂
Man. I wish Peterson ditched the culture war and just went all in on being a Jung / Campbell 2.0 type figure. It’s heartbreaking. His lectures on Jung back in the day were the real deal.
12:50 It’s amazing how some of the smartest people in history don’t see the pure irony in certain thinking and actions. Jung, as history has yet afforded, has proved that he was very much able to become that eccentric and still be functional in society. While Nietzsche, in the end, was not able to do.
I wish Jung’s name was pronounced properly, l was a member of the Jung Society for many years, l was present when Jung Analysts gave lectures, never once did l hear his name pronounced Young. Most of the material on these channels are extracted from the internet, possibly never hearing his name as in a classroom.
I've experienced ego inflation, oh lordy 😂😂😂😂 just as well I can laugh at myself , Ive had some belly laughs. To be honest when ypu look back it looks comical.Just another measure of balance, I suppose. In those states, psychic energy does increase. You also leave yourself wide open to psychic attacks.
Carl jung was accurate about our boy nietz tho. Dude lived in brothels, chased after his close friend wife, was jealous of successful people of the past, lost his mind, was detached almost rejected by society and died of the 1800s version of Aids. Although some of his works was good I think nietz was a man descending into madness and by sheer chance someone found his insane ramblings and give it some type of meaning.
@@RandomPerson28337 If I did a research on Nietzsche using sources like reddit and 4chan, where any self-proclaimed internet super hero can write any gossip with full confidence in its alleged accuracy, then of course, I would have stumbled upon all these 'facts' easily. But If I read actual papers, books, and other peer-reviewed publications by acclaimed Nietzsche scholars and researchers, then I would have had an access to vastly different information. So, you choose which sources I should consult before I come back with a reply.
Brrr...I just listened to the first minute of this video...such arrogance and probably ignorance.. It is highly likely 0:35 my dear friend, that you dont understand N nor Jung... Brrrr... "Being specific about something is not a virtue...neither is being nuanced..
This the most underrated channel on UA-cam, but for us chosen few it is truly a blessing and immensely important. Please don't stop releasing these gems. Thank you.
Thank you, I will.
100% Ive read much of jung and even had the thought that there could not possibly BE a Carl Jung without Nietzsche as I finally dive into Nietzsche's work.
@@TheMachiavelliansyou offer exceptionally insightful commentary on Nietzsche. You have reinvigorated my interest in his thought 🙏
I have spent the last three years reading and studying Jung and Nietzsche deeply. At first I rejected much of Nietzsche, but only because, I assume, I didn't WANT to believe the harsh things he said. I always thought of myself as a "good person" and Nietzsche made me take a hard look in the mirror and really question this. I'm a huge fan of both men, but lately Nietzsche's ideas have really gripped me in the most terrifying and profound ways. I still struggle to fully understand him but fortunately channels like this, The Living Philosophy, The Ark, and Uberboyo provide great perspectives on his work. Each time I reread him, I seem to mine out more understanding. Thank you for your work and as always I look forward to more of your content.
You speak as one challenged by Nietzsche. I can tell you’ve read quite deeply.
@@Philibuster92 I've never been more challenged by anyone in my entire life. It's very frustrating and yet has changed my life in the best possible way.
@@ericddl if I may ask, what was one of the biggest issues you wrestled with where Nietzsche’s writing played a role in provoking or resolving?
For me right now one of his most salient off the cuff remarks he made in Beyond Good and Evil that is challenging me is, “Supposing Truth is a woman, what then?” I used to think I could either be a truth seeking philosopher OR be happily married. I regarded women as basically shallow and motivated by passions over reason and so could not be true allies to someone radically pursuing the truth. But I’ve been single for over a decade and recognize the truths of philosophy and also of my life that I did not adequately grapple with were either symbolically or actually feminine.
@@Philibuster92 I'm not sure I can pinpoint an exact quote on what he said that really drove me into questioning my own flawed perspectives, I can say his idea of the will to power made me think about the cruelty of nature and how my own "Christian morality" were at odds, even though I am not Christian. The idea of eternal recurrence I also found fascinating and insightful.
I don't wish to try and give you advice as I am not qualified for any such task but from my own personal experience I've been married to my wife for over ten years and I can honestly say she challenges my philosophy in ways a book can not.
I think your experience reflects that of a lot of people. Nietzsche did not trouble me when I first encountered him. I was troubled before I read Nietzsche and he is the only author that truly gave me clarity (Jung and Machiavelli helped also). I grew up in a highly religious community and I felt since I was a child that something was deeply wrong with it. I saw people who literally thought they were Gods chosen on earth who were cruel, judgmental, arrogant and totally self deceived by their own "goodness". It made me question morality.
Nietzsche is an author that will get under your skin. Reading his work will become a life long process of self-transformation. Nietzsche taught me how to read and to think, and how to live also. Thanks for watching the video!
The proof of a great genius is how endlessly he is misunderstood throughout the ages, and even more ironically...how much people are completely obsessed with him, within these misunderstandings and slanders.
Freaud admit that Jung will surpass him and called him his eldest son,
Jung is so much more intelligent than Nietzhe, he tried his best to remain objective until the he realized that it is dangerous to guide people into full isolation and no balance of his feminine reflection.
This was a great video but you really have to ask yourself, whos fate would you rather have from these 2 obsessive over thinking types.
Jung completed his lifes goal of bringing meaning to his fathers fading and more secular soul, he had a bunch of grand kids and could speak multiple languages including ancient latin,
Its clear that in his later life, Jung became the greater of the 2 in every way
two different thinkers, I think Nietzsche touched madness for a reason. Jung didn’t get so deep, but both are important in their own area of study
Paraphrase: "I would not interfere in the competences of the parents, but I wouldn't like to have parents interfere in the competences of a philosopher". - Nietzsche
If I remember correctly, Jung took great pains to locate the source of Nietzche's "complex" in his miserable health. And if I understand Jung, Nieztsche proves himself to be incapable of separating himself from the archetypes when he reacts strongly against rational materialism. "Strong emotion is proof of a projection," and nobody is angrier than Nietzsche at religion and at materialism. It makes sense that he might be unconsciously reacting against these things in himself. And I say this because my own personal spiritual development has so often consisted in recognizing how I was projecting myself into others. I got a lot of inner peace when I realized that *I WAS* all the people I hated. But I don't ever see Nietzsche reach that point. Maybe when he was hugging the horse. But he couldn't exactly tell us about it.
More than perhaps anyone else in the last few centuries, Nietzsche's life lends itself to mythologizing. He was a man almost too symbolic to have been real. To quote Jung again, "being a medicine man is not an enviable position." Nietzsche, for lost modern souls, very often is that medicine man. A prophet of Dionysus. But Dionysus is no billboard Jesus--Dionysus will f*** you up.
Almost invariably, the greatest minds in history are delusional in regard to their own greatness. They aren't half as great as they think, but it's their burning desire to be as great as they think that often serves as the driving force which makes them almost half as great as they think they are; and, no less importantly, which convinces many others of their 'greatness' !
Ah finally someone who sees these overhyped intellectual narcissist for what they are.
Jung revealed the distinguishing skill that catapulted Nietzsche into the league of Plato beyond perhaps even Schopenhauer, and Emerson. Nietzsche was highly trained as a classical philologist immersed in the original sources of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. Hence, Nietzsche gained a profound knowledge of the greatest minds of antiquity and could read the source material in a direct first hand way and not rely on second hand accounts. Imagine being able to understand all the nuances of source material from the Bible in Hebrew or Plato in Greek to appreciate the nuances and meanings of texts directly rather than to accept second hand some other scholars interpretation of the passage. Nietzsche's devastating critique of the intellectual edifice of the times originated because he knew how the professors of the time masked the state/church control over the cultural wasteland. These professorial serfs under state control pushed an agenda, protected their "bread and butter" intellectual moat, as well as just hid unbounded potentiality and luminosity from themselves or others for either lack of courage, intellectual depth, or even just nakedly "hidden in plain sight" sinister reasons.
Nietzsche lived and breathed for channeling the creative, sublimated outlet of the will to power. Just as a world class poker player has to live, breathe and sleep poker to be a world champion, a philosopher on the Olympian level of Nietzsche has to breathe the mountain air of pure, inspired energy every day in a way not possible for a man involved in a daily business or practice such as Jung. Sure, the business can keep the man "grounded", but to reach Nietzsche's Olympian level and full spectrum dominance philosophical level you need the foundational basics of classical philology combined with a passion and instinct for enlightenment and illumination based off actual reading of ancient wisdom in the original. As German philosopher Schopenhauer observed, unless a man can read Latin and Greek in the original, there will always be a hole in the scholar's education that undermines the strength of his intellectual thought. This observation is a bitter pill for us all in a vapid age of mass media and hollow men.
Nietzsche was just such an intellectual tour de force that we will probably never able to appreciate his greatness or sublime gifts to humanity. Greek and Latin are not emphasized in today's propaganda mills of liberal arts universities or even at the time of Jung when studying Latin and Greek required hard work most were not willing to endure. Nietzsche was a sublime gift to humanity, and in fact his Navy Seal like attack on the soft, descendent Western philosophers and clergy of the time came with devastating force and mountain lightning speed. Ultimately though, Nietzsche's attack came out of a deep love for man and his no limit potential. Once the blinders came off and courageous, disciplined men were made aware of what the actual classical and Biblical texts meant free of some political or mercenary agenda, Nietzsche allows us all to share in the love for expanded grand inner horizons and "satori" enlightenment resulting from the sublimated will to power. In this sense, "the laughing lion" legendary German professor, in exposing the agendas of many "translations" and university moat protecting "degrees" brings us all back to ourselves and our higher man potential. Nietzsche's took humanity out to the creative philosophical edge and gave a wonderous vision of vast intellectual horizons. The grand German' philosopher's lionheart roar, that still reverberates in the Swiss Alps today, echoes how the creative sublimated will to power can allow us to rise high above the dark agendas and deception pervasive amidst the establishment wasteland.
Glad you recommended your subscribers to check out The Living Philosophy in the description. You two are my favorite philosophy channels.
Thank you! James is a cool guy. I'm hoping we will be working on some projects together soon.
I like Uberboyo & Russel Walker as well. All these guys help me think because I’m too slow to read.
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Thank you for another great insight into Nietzsche and Jung. I agree with your conclusion, and it reflects the demeanor of many professors in Academia. Something even Paracelsus fought in the 16th century!
There's a lot of ego with philosophers, scientists and academics. Nietzsche was no exception. Thanks for watching!
Nice work. After reading J's Seminar on TSZ, I can no longer think of J positively. I am glad you pointed out his 'personal' shortcomings.
Thank you for your video. I believe Jung may have persuaded Nietzsche of the notion of both suffering from a schizoid (split) core from genetics and upbringing, and Jung had accepted and learned to tolerate it longer than Nietzsche when the realization may have pushed him to the edge. Jung had a constellation of shadows to shapeshift and protect his vulnerable core where Nietzsche had that as well, but he learned to make the most of his knowledge, experiences, and idealized figures from literature, society, and doctrine, and he felt he was meant to aspire to something that couldn’t be reached, and also recognizing the drive was a self-defense mechanism for reality. Its the father time notion of the reaper or the demiurge coming back for payment for the original faustian deal of best self identification for your soul.
Irrational fears ? As opposed to what ? Fear itself is not rational. A man who values his life will naturally fear death. This doesn't make him coward, unless his fear prevents him from acting courageously. A soldier might naturally be afraid on some level of being killed in a war, but so long as he faces his fear and does not allow his fear to prevent him from doing his duty and/or acting courageously during battle, he is certainly not cowardly. However, there is nothing rational or irrational about his feeling afraid. Fear is an emotion - NOT a thought or an action. Strictly speaking, only thoughts are rational or irrational; and actions are either rational or irrational based upon whether or not they are guided by rational or irrational thinking, respectively. So, your phrase 'irrational fear' is itself irrational because it can only be the product of an irrational thought that an emotion is something that can be described as being 'rational' or 'irrational'. Emotions are non-rational, not irrational.
There are things it is very rational to fear. In most cases I think you would be right. In psychopathology there is definitely a concept of irrational fear; it's called "phobia" and Jung seems to have had a phobia in regards to the "danger" Nietzsche presented. This is like a irrational fear of spiders (arachnophobia) except that spiders are real and can pose a real threat whereas Jung was afraid of himself fundamentally. Jung's hysterical reaction to reading Nietzsche is definitely a neurotic fear because the danger was imaginary and so disproportionate.
@@TheMachiavellians If you define an irrational fear as being afraid of something imaginary - such as ghosts --, It is not the fear itself that is irrational, rather it is the thought that such things exist in the first place. If you define it as unjustified fear - such as a fear of spiders -, then again, it is not the fear itself that is irrational, but the thought that there is any real danger. Emotions are just emotions, they have no power of being either rational or irrational themselves.
@@TheMachiavellians Basically, what I am arguing is that it is wrong for psychopathology to focus on the emotion rather than the thinking. The emotion Is just a symptom of the diseased thinking.
@@alwaysgreatusa223 What I don't agree with is the cause and effect relationship you have set up. I agree with you that emotion isn't necessarily bad but I disagree that emotion is just effect. Emotion itself is active and evaluative not blind which already suggests intelligence and even rationality. We view rationality and emotion as opposite because we still adhere to the old western metaphysical tradition. I think thought and emotion are bound up. I will give you there is a problem with thinking but the problem stems from deeper evaluations which both thought and emotion are a product of. In meditation you can experience how closely interconnected thought and emotion is. It's a system. So, yes, I agree the problem is a "diseased thinking" but as long as "thinking" here is taken in the widest possible sense; to include affects and evaluations. Emotion is still just thought. It's considered rational or irrational based on considerations of adaptation.
I agree that emotion is often (wrongly) treated as inherently irrational and problematic, whereas its then assumed that if we were just more rational then these problems wouldn't exist. This is very superficial. The focus should be on the evaluations which are the root cause of many neuroses. These problems are a projection and the thinking and emotion connected to this projection are products of an evaluation. There's a problem of adaptation with the environment and that makes it pathological.
@@TheMachiavellians As the Stoics teach, emotions are just reactions to our thoughts. When our thoughts are rational, our emotional reactions are subdued. When our thoughts are irrational, then our emotional reactions are intensified !
Hello sir. Your videos are brilliant and thank you for including time stamps.
If you published video transcripts on medium or Substack that would also be immensely helpful
I've been planning on making a website and including my script with references there but haven't done it yet. I'll look into those other sites you mentioned. Thanks for watching the video!
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HELL YEAH BRO
Yeah I just got into Medium. It’s absolutely amazing for philosophy, art, and culture. I really wish I checked it out years ago. I’m blown away by the quality of ideas so many people are publishing on that platform. It has humbled my level of expertise immensely while being super inspiring to see there’s such a huge community of like minded people.
As for using YT as a learning resource- I’m kinda getting over it. I’m writing a book about the nature of beauty exploring the modern hero and art.
Whereas gathering, storing, and accessing information is no short task.
Like what am I supposed to do? Hand type quotes and timestamps? That’s goofy. It’s 2023.
Additionally, I can’t tell you how many times I have been incredibly moved by a video, and then it’s like I’m just standing there w my schmuck in my hand with no resources cited to dive into the subject.
I’m trying to learn. Not be entertained. So yeah, transcripts, let alone sources, really needs to be the standard moving forward in this space.
Nevertheless. I will be reaching out to all the channels I sub to. Would love to share my project with anyone interested. I actually have something dope af to use as a spring board to launch my channel and start really growing my community.
@@Dino_Medici That's awesome! I'd like to see that.
I have been including my resources at the end of the video for now till I have a better option.
@@TheMachiavellians Hell yeah bro. I am honored and humbled!
Yeah forsure. Just wanted to provide some user feedback
@TheMachiavellians yeah Id like to 2nd that. Academy of Ideas has transcripts of their videos and I have found them immensely useful over the years
21:43 You know what is especially ironically sinister about the “you believe this, you will become crazy” argument is that it’s the SAME argument used against the believers and cult of Dionysus/Bacchus as also being absolutely crazy (and then some including human sacrifice, cannabilism tropes) thousands of years before… the same Dionysus that Nietzsche relies so heavily upon in his works and musings as an antidote trope/figure/archetype to out Modern condition.
When envy is obvious, personal attacks take emminence where philosophical arguments has nothing to do with the advances of philosophical ideas but to quarrel about the language or some improvements of philosophy.
Great criticism of Jung. I'd still argue that Nietzsche was a bit neurotic and that he was a kind of materialist (just not the regular newtonian type).
Nevertheless, it's a fantastic video that you've made. I admire your dedication to studying these ideas and enjoy your insights into Nietzsche's thought.
We can only recognize in others what is within us.
Thanks for this. Open interested in them both for decades but I have so many books I want to read and at the same time I have to be realistic about my abilities. Both these people are so erudite it's hard to get through either of them never mind both: I've decided I need something a bit lighter so I'm reading godel escher Bach by Douglas hofstadter. He has a wonderful way of explaining really complex ideas to lay people. So I'm forced to limit myself in a way to things like that I guess in his own weird way young prove that everybody has a shadow whether he meant to do that or not. This is not an attempt at double speak although as you'll see I appreciated that commentary as well from this channel
Just stumbled across your channel, very lovely and nuanced analysis! Very rare to see, you got my sub!
Perfect video. I have just discovered the channel. Subscribed immediately. Thanks!
One thing is for sure. Neitzche would of hated Jung with every bone is his body.
Damn, nice one ❤
I ,as a non thinkologist thinks this little exam tells us about more than the two.
And with both of great love and great contempt rises within all. Instinctual is the base symptoms of animals, Yet held in deeper minds. Is the searching wanderer of destroying of why our emotions have an ugly truth. Wonderchek III.
Too much here to discuss superficially but a few caveats:
(1) Jung's suggestion that Nietzsche could have benefitted from a better study of Eastern writings is valid (N's friendship with an Eastern scholar is irrelevant here) in that had Nietzsche realised that he wasn't 'alone' except in the western materialist traditions, it might have given him a safety valve that he wasn't burdened with the terrible responsibility! If you know that half the planet has people comfortable with transcendental ideas it surely would be helpful.
(2) Jung also felt that a grounding in a scientific discipline, in his case also clinical, might have also proven stabilising.
(3) The syphilis thing: Jung knew enough about narcissistic personality types to understand that this madness could be an eventual consequence at that time. Physiological. You can blame narcissism on the syph, but also syph on narcissistic behaviour.
(4) Quite wrong to say Nietzsche achieved so much more in life than Jung. He produced a family and prospered, after all.
(5) Comparing the Red Book (which lots of Jungians are a little embarrassed by) with ASZ is a bit disingenuous, no? Zarathustra is N's life work summit, the Red Book in no way tries to be. Apples and Pears: you don't compare one man's magnus opus with another man's shopping list.
(6) Jung and N both believed it seems to me in a space/time omnipresent interrelated transcendental. Jung tried to harness it and bring it down to ego understanding within a scientific and even clinical net. He never thought he could, but he tried. At no point was his spirituality 'go with the flow'.
(7) Because Jung dealt in paradox and 'enantiodromia' as he called them, it's easy to make him seem to be saying his opposite for hatchet jobs. It goes with the territory.
By the way, the narrator's intriguing switching between 'Yoong' (correct!) and 'Yungg' throughout may well be symptomatic of a split personality on his part ... (y'see how easy it is to do these shadowboxing tricks ...)
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It’s not that Jung misunderstands Nietzsche. He doesn’t agree with him.
Another thoughtful video! ❤
I think Peterson knows more about Nietzsche than he lets on, just doesn’t like the implications (boogy man Hitler)
I can't think of a good reason why he misrepresents Nietzsche either except he doesn't like what he says about Christianity. Peterson is smart enough to know what Nietzsche really meant. I've heard him mention specific passages from Nietzsche that challenge his own interpretations.
@@TheMachiavellians Peterstein points out that Nietzsche saw the death of God as something to worry about. That it was a bad thing, which is true in a sense he certainly saw the problem would lead to scientistic nihilism. He was right. But yea Peterstein, for all his talk of Dostoyevsky, never mentions “1000 Years Together”. You could make a video about that book & Peterstein’s connection to Daily Wire 😂
Man. I wish Peterson ditched the culture war and just went all in on being a Jung / Campbell 2.0 type figure. It’s heartbreaking. His lectures on Jung back in the day were the real deal.
@@Dino_Medici I wish Peterstein would do Campbell type analysis about Greek & Roman mythology. Kinda sick of his Bible examples to tell the truth 😆
12:50 It’s amazing how some of the smartest people in history don’t see the pure irony in certain thinking and actions. Jung, as history has yet afforded, has proved that he was very much able to become that eccentric and still be functional in society. While Nietzsche, in the end, was not able to do.
Please! Jung was german and lived at the same time. How can you understand Nietzsche better?
why this this thing so under appriciated maybe because it is no herd attaracting ....it is for so chosen ones
Pyschology is a part counsiness
…too many commercial breaks: break train of thought
I'm 7 minutes in and I haven't had one yet.
I wish Jung’s name was pronounced properly, l was a member of the Jung Society for many years, l was present when Jung Analysts gave lectures, never once did l hear his name pronounced Young. Most of the material on these channels are extracted from the internet, possibly never hearing his name as in a classroom.
I've experienced ego inflation, oh lordy 😂😂😂😂 just as well I can laugh at myself , Ive had some belly laughs. To be honest when ypu look back it looks comical.Just another measure of balance, I suppose.
In those states, psychic energy does increase. You also leave yourself wide open to psychic attacks.
noice
Carl jung was accurate about our boy nietz tho. Dude lived in brothels, chased after his close friend wife, was jealous of successful people of the past, lost his mind, was detached almost rejected by society and died of the 1800s version of Aids. Although some of his works was good I think nietz was a man descending into madness and by sheer chance someone found his insane ramblings and give it some type of meaning.
Your comment with all its historic inaccuracies are as random as your username.
@@markoslavicek everything i said was true do your research on nietzsche, come back to this comment and then delete it for being wrong.
@@RandomPerson28337 If I did a research on Nietzsche using sources like reddit and 4chan, where any self-proclaimed internet super hero can write any gossip with full confidence in its alleged accuracy, then of course, I would have stumbled upon all these 'facts' easily. But If I read actual papers, books, and other peer-reviewed publications by acclaimed Nietzsche scholars and researchers, then I would have had an access to vastly different information.
So, you choose which sources I should consult before I come back with a reply.
Brrr...I just listened to the first minute of this video...such arrogance and probably ignorance..
It is highly likely 0:35 my dear friend, that you dont understand N nor Jung...
Brrrr...
"Being specific about something is not a virtue...neither is being nuanced..
Interessante 😊
So I’m supposed to listen to you yap about how 2 respected psychologists are wrong.. buddy that makes no sense. You’re wrong