How Gaijin will "FIX" the 2S38
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
- With the recent BR changes the 2S38 still did not go up in BR even though its a really good premium tank for the Russian 10.0 Lineup
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About: 2S38 is very broken and the ways to fix the vehicle in war thunder is not to raise the BR but change how the 2S38 takes damage.
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looks at HSTV-L.
looks at 2S38
looks at snail smoking meth in the corner of the room
yeah, this tracks.
looks at American crying
*Laughs*
Disagree, they are totally smoking something way more potent
@@kju520 lol mocking other nations is the worst kind of cope.
Laughs in OTOMATIC
@@tribblefluffer what am I coping about?
That my trees vehicles are powerful? Oh no!! How will I cope???
Its really cool how autoloaders are simply not modeled in this game
Would be cool if you could break them and make it so you have to reload manually
Seems like gaining has made your wish come true
They will add autoloaders and ton of other modules soon, but they double up as spall liners
The just increased the spalling for APFSDS in the last mini update. I wonder when he got this footage.
its supposed to be an Spaa Irl isn`t it? give it the Otomatic treatment 20 Apfds shells and change the turret so that you dont have to pixel snipe the breach.
it's a dual purpose system, for anti air and anti tank work
OTOMATIC should also just not have the shell nerf tbh
The thing about the otomatic is... irl it cannot load more apfsds, the shell size is different from the others and it has a special rack for them
@@guvyygvuhh298 oh damn that changes things
@Sundownnnn Tbh for gameplay purposes, it should be able to carry more
It's 11.3, half the tank is ammo and it has no armor
@@guvyygvuhh298 imo even if it did carry more it would just cause the same level of whining, it might as well just go down in br
this thing can frontally tackle any abrams at basically any range, there’s no way a BR buff would do anything
Any western MBTs except the 2A7V modular in the front but still can pen the the LFP...i know gaijin doesnt have access to the actual numbers of western armor but to kick such low numbers as such an IFV(SPAA irl) can pen them frontaly is crazy....
@M0LOCK The 2s38 isnt just Spaa its a dual purpose weapon sytem ment to engage both aircraft and MBTs
And even if the lfp wasnt an option
you could exploit
the turret ring on the abrams, that is the biggest weakspots on any modern MBT.
And you could easily penetrade the side armor with the 2s38, even irl
The 2S38 should have an auto loader that can jam if fired too fast or shrapnel hits it
It's better than this already, the autoloader is just a clip with ammo in it. If shrapnel hits it, the ammo explodes.
@@Boris_The_Turtle you clearly haven’t fought it 99% of the time it goes right through or the round goes yellow
@@user-cs3qh1uv5y I have fought it a lot, and even gotten around to playing it a little. It’s not what people make it out to be.
Would it be a normal repair if jammed or would it be like an SPAA mg cooldown?
There should be damage to the auto loader mechanisms. I have the 2S38. It's great, but it can compete at any br from 10.0 to top tier.
My biggest problem is that if a 10/.3 tank against 9.0/9.3 punishes a lot, the 2s38 destroys entire teams (And before they come to me and say "you're a fucking one-armed piece of shit like your entire team", when 5 players with a winrate of 70%, 1.6 kd and +35000 games played cannot do anything to it, it is no longer a question of skill) yes, I think you have to raise the br so that at least you will not destroy the inferior brothers . The other option is for the Hull Break mechanic to return (exclusively for that tank) and for gajin to ensure that without exception (no excuses of "Oops, it's the server, packet loss, etc.") every hit on the tank front fuel kills. 100% of the time for the crew, and an engine shot always immediately ignites the ammunition.
Never had any problems with any tanks in the game except for leo2a7 and strv122 :)
Ifvs are а literal garbage class of vehicles yall call op. Facing the damned thing frontally and not killing it IS a skill Issue.
Btw not a russia main ;)
@@fluffythecat5413except its not when the fuel tank absorbs your superheated tungsten sabot round going at over 1km/s
@@valkyrie5972 I wish. Russian fuel tanks SHOULD be absorbing rounds, they dont blow up, they are purposefully used IRL for extra armor. In game they always blow up and kill me and its so annoying. A single 12.7 in game if it hit that fuel tanks would just blow it up I swear.
@@vittoriovenetov9655 they were used for extra armor before sabot rounds existed, and it’s because they provided better protection and had less chance of exploding with solid shot rounds that weren’t superheated. Fast forward to modern day and they aren’t featured as extra armor on ANY tank because they have a tendency to EXPLODE when hit with superheated tungsten and provide much less protection to spall than thicker armor would
I think its not about the vehicle factor but the players. Cause in what i've seen top tier players are built different ( if they are in a Normal Tech Tree tank ) considering you actually need skill to grind the modules against people of your skill which also are good players. And tanks will like likely ignore major ( if any ) damage just in time for you to react to a 2s38. So i think it will not fix the 2s38, but it will increase the difficulty of the players when you rush to top tier with a premium.
Imagine what the BMPT-3 would be like which is likely to have a 57mm cannon and be armoured like a tank. Russlanders have shifted from 30mm to 57mm esp seeing as there are 57mm LASER-guided rounds available.
To think the Otomatic got nerfed to the ground and never buffed, and then there's that thing... yeah sure Gaijin.
The removal of the tracer on the oto was a buff.
@@DawgIVLifeonly 12 APFSDS, and it’s still a SPAAG at 11.3 (it should really have at least twice the APFSDS count and moved to 10.7)
@@Iden_in_the_Rain How about the removal of all the APFSDS and moved down in BR?
@@DawgIVLife because then it would have a worse ability to defend itself than a 8.3 Gepard?
@@Iden_in_the_RainIt has limited apfsds because it cant carry more irl, the apfsds round is larger so they don't fit where the rest of the ammo is stored
I find the best way to counter the 2S38 is to have something that has an even faster firing rate than it.
Such as the LAV-AD, the 9040s, and other such light, quick firing vehicles.
They're almost perfect counters because in the time that the 2S38 takes to reload one shell, the LAV-AD can get off 7 rounds of HVAP and 3 rounds of SAPHEI, while the 9040s can get off 2 individual 40mm APFSDS rounds than can two shot or even one shot ammo and one shot crew members, allowing you to kill 2S38s almost as soon as you click your mouse. The 9040s are also suprisingly tanky, so if the 2S38 gets off a couple rounds you'll usually survive.
Sadly, this is limited to like 3-4 trees, and otherwise makes the 2S38 have the issues you mentioned in the video.
i think the clip againt the leopard was more a case of the front fuel tank completely eating the round and stoping it, wich seems to happen way to often in this thing
Honestly if they would add the autoloading mechanism as a module that could be damaged it would balace this thing.All those shots that just hit the empty space under the turret and missed ammo would at least disable the "loader". In the case of auto-loaded tanks, you could repair the mechanism (and damage to it could act like a wounded loader).
5:11 sure but just like "Spall Liner"
By second before publishing, internal module gonna apply to other tank mean it's not really 2S38 fix, it's all tank fix mean power creed stay the same
I love this vehicle,got it on sale and it helped me grind the tech tree next to the turms but yeah fixing tanks once you introduced them in a certain way can be difficult
Literally a better Spooksmobile a whole br and a half lower 😂
Sad that people forget that the HSTVL has -17 degrees of gun depression, and also better mobility. Not saying its a good tank with the current spall liner meta but like it has perks over the 2S38
@@DawgIVLife gun depression doesn’t matter if you have a shit gun with shit spalling and barely any ammo
The whole argument of it not changing anything for facing it if it goes up is stupid, bc if you do move it up, worse tanks that stand no chance won’t face it.
i noticed the other day, i got damage and lost the ability to use my laser range finder, not noticed before...
Which vehicle? Cause the only way I think that could happen is if your battery in the tank completely drains. Or a it could be a bug
What if….they just lower the firing rate to like 1 sec or 1.5 sec like the hstvl…
It won't be realistic cos in rl 2s38 has 0.5s reload
@@KIKO00752the HSTV-L has a 0.85 second reload though, so it’s not like Gaijin is going for realism
@@KIKO00752the 2s38 hasn’t even began production yet and it’s facing tanks form the 80s
@@Ben-M112it's being produced, it's not in serial production tho
@@Iden_in_the_RainThey should just improve the HSTV L
Actually gaijin can be really creative with damage model if they want, they need to add more modules for example if you hit autoloader, than your time would increase to reload and speed would be dependent on your reload speed skill, if you damage optics your targeting is fully black and cant see anything or very blurry, or if its badly damaged after fixing lense is cracked and distorted, so you basically can only use third person view to fight, even with current ones they can do a lot, if commander is hit, yuo cant use binoculars until fixed, if dead than entirely could not be used, i know binoculars mostly was used by tank commanders during ww2 but hell it would be much better to fight premium op tanks because more components would break, in general people would be more careful, imagine if they implement hydraulics system, 1 hit can completly disable your tank.
idk, i played the amx 30 super and was one shooting the 2s38 in up tiers consistently. a lot of the complaints about the 2s38 are really from skill issues
it does a lot of times, because when u learn how to face it, its very easy to kill it, because u just need to shoot in front of it and kill the 3 crew members, but the unmaned turret already gives it advantage, a lot of people will hide their frontal crew and expose half vehicle , being able to kill anything and the enemys not being able to kill its crew because they are behind a building,rock or something
New internal module is jusy drywall sheets of sprawl linners so its now 16x the effort to kill
If it's something so scary that even type 90 players are complaining then there's an issue
Sometimes the ammo just turns red and thats it.
Everyone so happy it’s getting nerfed until they find out it gets 148 first stage ammo now
I love how the Puma gets Nerfed in br, and this tank hasn’t!!!!
Just picked it up today! Exited but sad its about to be nerfed.
This is the saddest part of the vehicle. Gaijin should really put a disclaimer when you buy the vehicle letting people know that this vehicle will change pretty soon. Cause not everyone is tuned into the news of WT.
What's gonna change?
@@General_kenobi12 The internals of the tank will get a upgrade. So should make more chances of disabling the 2S38 with extra computer hydraulic equipment in the tank.
@@DawgIVLife so it's just the survivability that's changing?
@@General_kenobi12 should be but we have no idea what they will change.
Just last night I had a 2s38 kill me in 1 shot by shooting through my turret ring in the abrams. Also last night a 2s38 was setting hull down and I send an apfsds round right through the breach and ammo just to do absolutely nothing to the breach and only made the ammo yellow. I’m really glad they also buffed damaged done by auto cannons so now the 2s38 is buffed. Just move it to 10.7 so it’s not abusing 9.0-9.3 vehicles.
Then you just move the problem.
@@DawgIVLife rather have it fighting modern mbts than Cold War era vehicles
Is there not a H.E. option against the 2S38?
ppl are to stupid for that, they rather make videos crying on gaytube.
I don't think the addition of new modules will change much of anything. The only empty space is the rear of the tank, I can't think of anything that can be added there that will compromise the tank. Shooting it anywhere in the front half of the tank already results in an instant kill.
I also don't understand how poor shot placement not killing it is a problem. This already happens to literally every tank in-game. If you mess up a shot on a tank, they will shoot back.
If the claim that a tank is overpowered stems from a literal skill issue, is it really right to consider it overpowered for that reason?
Frustrating mechanics like thin armor ricochets, spall liners, and fuel tanks disappearing when shot I understand and agree with, but poor aim? really?
They should give it less apfsds and aphe rounds
Well it is technically an anti air so that would be fair.
fuel tanks really like to eat apfsds shells and protect the crew
Strange how the HSTV-L is basically the same, but bigger, less armor, faster, and can’t swim, as well as at a higher br, and it gets fucking destroyed. Strange strange.
This is valid for all light vehicles, so many times I shoot a puma with a the 125mm gun only to do jack shit and get destroyed frontaly in a mbt. the "nerf" 2s348 is just hate any HE round will 1shot it, but ppl are too stupid for that
It the same BR as the puma that suck at 10.0 at everything it armor is useless the guns is useless
Oh and the puma is in active duty and the 2s38 is just a prototype at the arm show but gaijin know everything about it
Youre just having a skill issue ive richocheted more times off a puma than anything else in the whole game
Grinded ALL soviet union with this thing, but in 11.7 i replace it 2525m
2S38 should go higher BR to aleast not make 9.3 9.7 and 10.0 suffer agaisnt it
A good way to counter the 2s38 is buffing the puma, the puma eats 2s38s for breakfast but it cant do anything againts to very commonly armoured MBTs, giving it its real life spike missiles will give it the ability to atleast wound those tough MBTs, it has the same package as the vilkas which isnt to strong, the only edge the puma will have is its survivability and size. If it they wont give the puma its missiles then increasing its fire rate would also work. These buffs will increase the use of the puma which will reduce the odds of survival for the 2s38
that's just fucking dumb, the 2s38 is still gonna fight the same things, and the puma is just gonna be more annoying to deal with
@@Sundownnnn Okay then nerfing the fuck out of the 2s38 is best
@@fulturk4306 making it unplayable isn't balancing it
it would do fine if it got moved up to 11.0 or around that
@@Sundownnnn It makes every other vehicle useless against it unless you manage to get the perfect shot or have HE. Take the 292 for example, it has armour that can withstand a lot of damage and wields an insanely powerful gun for the BR, but at least if the guy misses or places a bad shot you get a chance to fight back, the 2s38 doesn't offer that because it can pen a lot of MBT armor especially the German ones and can follow up with a barrage of those deadly darts, not only that if you don't hit the driver area of the tank you are most likely going to die. Its probably more annoying then the puma during it's prime.
Bro really said, "I don't really think increasing the BR of this vehicle (2S38) will actually make a huge difference". Dude literally said that while admitting that vehicle is a jack of all trades. That's the more reason it needs to be on a higher BR, nobody wants to see that vehicle at its current BR or lower except 2S38 players. I get it, it's a good grinding vehicle for USSR but have some mercy on other Nation. I mean there's literally BMP2-M, BMD-4, and OBJ-279 at BR9 and 10. Those three vehicles can still pretty much fight at BR10 or higher. There's no reason for 2S38 keeps its BR.
Ok so it will just get moved up and do the same thing it currently does now which is get lucky have a half a second reload and win fights it shouldn’t
@@DawgIVLife If it moved up, at least it won't be bullying BR 9.3-10.7, and new players who are grinding to top tier. I mean it's a beast when an experience player is behind it especially at that BR. The damage modules are crazy too; like the breach and magazine ammo rack are somehow strong af for no reason, but I digress. I have no problem fighting it. I'm just concerns for newer players (griding for top tiers in their perspective nations) that can't or doesn't know how to fight it. BTW I'm at 9.7 Swedish and almost spaded out all ground US. I just realize how strong it is when it fight lower BR like 9.3 and 9.7.
I hate the "It's easy to one shot" excuse so much. YES it is (when spall actually spalls), but the issue it it can pen you in It's first shot, and if it doesn't, the next shot will. And if it *somehow* can't kill you, you can't retaliate because it took your barrel, breach, or you can't see it from the fure and smoke as it slams so many shells into you
There is other tanks which have the same thing I dont have a problem with it. One of the biggest examples is the Gepard with APDS, its extremely easy to 1 shot but at its br it will tear through literally every tank, or at least kill its barrel and tracks until it can flank you. 2S38 is the exact same. You just need to learn how to 1 shot it. Also good HEFS rounds will obliterate it.
Well, spalling has just been inreased by a lot, it wasn't all that hard to kill before since it ammo racks reliably, but now you can shoot anywhere but the fuel tank and get pretty reliable one shots.
The point I was trying to make was that it's not hard to kill. The issue is it can just spam APFSDS in your general direction, and and if by some miracle it isn't capable of penning your armor (which is unlikely), it's difficult, if not impossible to retaliate, and they can just relentlessly spam a 250mm+ pen dart every half second at you till you die
It definitely still needs to go up in BR. 9.0s should not be facing the 2S38. I recently tried stock grinding the ZTZ96 (9.3 T-72A equivalent) and it was nearly impossible against the 2S38 horde.
I like taking it out in the water
You forget the 57 mm penetration values. the game gives the 57 mm penetration almost close to the 75 mm on the HSTV-L despite no evidence that Russians have 57 mm with this amount of penetration, the game just give Russian imaginary shells like the Object 292 which given 700 mm of penetration despite that apfsds shells only depend on length for more pen and there is zero evidence that Russians got long shells at any time (only 3bm-60 on newer tanks, and still barely long like other nato shells) but the game just abuse the fact that its 152 cannon (i mean by this logic mbt-70 should get similar shell)
They base it on a formula
@@DawgIVLifeTheir formula:"buffs any Ru shell and armor,nerf every western equipament"
@@M0LOCK please if you are going to @me with baseless comments at least go research DeMarr and Lanz-Odermatt Formulas and give me a legit reason why Russian rounds are buffed and nato is nerfed.
Everyone is crying about the that tank but i only see 3 crewmember in a line and triplet/s triple head shot and always one-shot that joke of a tank.
They do that because the fuel tank stops an entire 120mm shell which it really shouldn't, if side on, sure, it can be one shot, not so much from the front...
@TheJessecarpenter Well yeah that tank is like when you see a spider in a house you have to burn it donw , but here we can give it a nuke for launch xD
2:00 I call this the bullshit factor of a vehicle. Some vehicles just pull random bullshit way more than others.
*cough* Certain vehicles in Sweden *cough* Most of Russia *cough*
@@theporschetiger I wouldn't say it's the case for most of russia or sweden. It's specific vehicles; stuff like the Panthers, the TAM, the T14, the T92, and some T-34s. They just feel like a gamble every time you shoot them.
@@russman3787 That's fair yeah, Russia just is really irritating to fight because of a number of factors
I had a rather mixed experience with the 2s38 survivability. Yes you can survive a badly aimed full broadside shot, yes you can survive the odd dart from the front that misses all the crew and ammo, yes u can survive while hull down and yes u can survive the odd bullshet bounce on the upper plate (seriously why is that still a thing).
I'm gonna play the devils advocate here and say 2s38 is very easy to kill IF you put more than a few braincells at work and aim for a bit, the entire middle section is just ammo, the fuel tank loves to explode since its not an external one and for the better or worse all the crew is in the same spot. The new interal module thing actually worries me, not bcz I will not be able to ruin matches in 2s38 but bcz I do not trust gaijin to make such a radical gameplay change without breaking something for a long period of time. Ppl asked for volumetric for a long time and it turned out to be a horrible idea that only makes gameplay worse due to its very poor implementation. I am worried about glancing shots completely disabling tanks and taking a very long time to repair (if anything they should add more modules to helis bcz as of rn they are basically empty)
Honestly that increased spalling would be better, and (sadly for Russia and tanks based on theirs) should be applied to anything not a truck or wheeled vehicle.
Russia has this habit of up armoring their stuff when it doesn't need it. Both their SPGs and SPAAs are built on tank chassis, it might have less protection but it's still the same chassis as the MBT it's built on.
Not to mention Russia's flawed logic of fuel tank=armor; doesn't really work well in reality and never did since WW2. But the game says otherwise.
The biggest problem with the 2S38 are the down-tiers If it gets a 9.3 game (not even a full down-tier) It can fight Leo1s that it can reliably pen from the front at any range and they have pretty bad vertical and horizontal drives. Don't get me wrong I have the most nukes with Leo1s but the 2S38 is a hard counter
downtier means jack shit, there are faster tanks at 9.0 that can 1shot this thing.
@@randomgaming5332 I could also kill the 2S38 with a 1.0 tank but is it fair? Matter of fact I killed a 2S38 with a BT5 and the BT5 is fast as fuck. So they are on the same level?
That's why I voted YES in their recent poll to add concussion effect to these light vehicle ..its rediculous the "overpen concep going through with 0 dge
Those effected are the 60$-70$ whales and wallet warriors mostly
U know the stun was not JUST for lights right? It was supposed to be a stun on pen meaning autocannon tanks would get a massive buff
@@guvyygvuhh298 yeah but crew get stunned... Lose control over the vehicle too... All and all... My vote was yes not bc I just wanted more annoying features... I waa just frustrated with these overpowered vehicles that they refus to nerf or do anything to them bc of these whales
@dewok4701 So u want a half-assed fix that's more likely to break the game than fix any of the problems with paper tanks being hard to kill
Hopefully with the new compartments it will be nerfed enough to be balanced
I play 2s38 at 11.0. Not a problem.
Kinetic Energy Kill for 2S38?
you get hit by a shell with 12-20MJ of energy that metal is going to have problems,
Lvkv 42 front penning Pz IVs and T-34(40)s with an automatic no reload 200 shot no reload aphe gun:
But yeah the 2s38 shouldn't be fighting leo 1s
2S38, ? Fun .
Hope it gets changed soon (im still 8.0 lol)
You shouldn't really worry about it. The complaints stem from people generally being bad, or not knowing how to aim. I used to believe them until I faced off against it, and eventually played it myself.
@@Boris_The_Turtle 2S38 player alert lol
@@z54964380 Nah he's right, espiecally since gaijin buffed apfsds spalling recently. The people complaining are the ones shooting it center mass from the side instead of shooting at the crew.
@@z54964380 congrats on being able to read I guess.
Some of yall have never played the 2s38 and it shows.
ofc, its a +50$ premium vehicle
Best way to fix it heavily uptier it the remove it from the game. People will have it still u just cant buy it.
"strela would perform better" complete lie, the 2s38 has irst and proxy, allowing for long range snipes without triggering the missile launch alert of the planes or the maw of helicopters. It's also way fater, and don't even expect flarring it (meanwhile the optical tracking is bugged and react to flare and chaffs for no fucking reasons). It's not a jack of all trade master of none, it's a jack of all trade master of all. it's an extremely recent vehicles and shouldn't have been put below 11.0 from the start and is more than capable of being 11.7, especially since it's an spaa.
No, it won’t change anything for the 2s38 but it’ll definitely change something for the poor 9.0 bastards. If we’re being completely honest it’s still at 10.0 because the turms is at 10.0
Needs nerf asap
What do I think? I'm indifferent. I don't really understand the outrage. The reason the vehicle does so well isn't because it's OP but because of how damage works in WarThunder. Single shot damage, outside of huge HE or OHK crew spall, loses to rapid fire auto cannons. Not to mention the no armor best armor.
I'm pretty sure we've all shot at an AA or IFV, failed to kill it and then die cause they breeched or barreled you. It's annoying but it's just part of the game. Plus you are absolutely right, increasing its BR won't change it's performance. It'll still have empty space for darts to pass through and it'll still be able to breech and cannon torture the opposition.
I have a few thoughts.
In this case "No Armor Best Armor" isn't actually because of the armor, at least at that BR. It's the module size to overall size ratio. MBTs usually have large modules and strive to make efficient use of space so the crew and components have as little as practical space between them.
Where as light tanks like the 2S38 usually have smaller engines, guns, and overall components aside from fuel tanks. While being as large or in some cases larger than an MBT, Giving far more dead space to hit where little to no damage would be done, as well as larger areas to hit where things may be damaged but not enough to stop retaliation.
For the solution, I can see the stun mechanic, if implemented correctly.
No one with a functioning brain wants a stun mechanic in the game period. They are very obnoxious even when implemented "properly," and no I am not arguing for the 2s38 in this case, stun mechanics are hated across-the-board
1:05 "Master of none" Bruh what kind of crack are u smoking? That thing can survive more shit than most MBTs, in hull-down spot its unmanned paper thin turret is almost impervious to darts, and if you shoot at centre mass of the 2s38 from the front which most likely you will, the fucking fuel tank in the front eats all of the fragments of your dart so you either only kill 1 outta 3 crew or the dart will pass through harmlessly and only get the engine, and with high pen ammo, rapid firing gun and extremely fast turret traverse, if you ain't killing it in one shot you are fucked, and good luck aiming outside of centre mass when you will most likely play in some close range maps, facing this monstrosity go-karting around the corner. This thing is almost the epitome of Russian bias. I haven't even mentioned the lack of a dedicated damage model for the autoloader which is extremely unfair to vehicles reliant on a living loader to reload in max speed, cuz this thing and most of the Russian T-series can fire at top reload regardless of how badly mauled their crew are, meanwhile a chally with only 2 men surviving gets double reload time.
Almost like I mentioned all of this in the video.....
@@DawgIVLife Almost like your points are non-sensical and just wanna keep the status-quo, which is dog water
ruski biaski
shoving the 2s38 up in BR will fix it, by making it go against vehicles & players that actually know how the game plays instead of being at the BR where its just premium spanners who don't know how the vehicle works lmfao
Well thanks to top tier premiums and even some squadron vehicles at 11.3 like the M1A1 AIM, you're always going to find people who have absolutely no idea whats going on
I think people need to only be freaking out about it if it is incorrect to its true to life form. Yes it is super annoying to play against but in real life having that cannon would kick ass against many modern vehicles.
I mean in real life it would have already been slammed by a drone with a mortar ducktaped to it. Real War is not fun neither should it be compared to a video game.
@@DawgIVLife the whole point of warthunder is to play realistic tanks, if you wanted unrealistic tanks you could go play World of Tanks?
@@CozySER I love of when I call in arty orange smoke comes down to show the enemy I am about to arty them
This autocannon ain’t doing shit to most modern mbts from the front unlike War Thunder, not doing anything from the side either since most tanks have era (it actually stops rounds unlike in warthunder)
No IRL it wouldnt pen an M1A2, Chally, Leclerc or a Leopard frontaly...theres not a single thing realistic about WT top tier...not to mention 2S38 fuel tank working better than spall lines
2S38 doesn't need a br change, it's very light and all it takes is a shot or two with HEATFS
I play top-tier Sweden and USA. In no way is this thing balanced at 10.0. You could put it at 11.7, and it would have the same stats. HEAT-FS has no effect on it.
cool story bro...
It eats HEAT-FS and ATGMS for breakfast. You have to hit it many times with this type of ammo to do some damage (with one in a million chance to oneshot it when you trapshot it to overpressure).
It rapes the 9.0-10.0 BR games atm and makes them a pain in the ass.
The worst thing with it is that every fucking monkey can buy it (because of premium vehicle) and escalate the cancer even worse in those high BR games
@@TheAndyboy888 whoa whoa, this ain't therapy
@@TheAndyboy888 💀bro mad cuz bad
@@Boris_The_Turtle that’s what she said to you
SKILL ISSUE
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@@DawgIVLife yeah Enclave the best faction for me👽
just learn to aim?
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People dying to this thing is just a skill issue honestly.
Bruuuuuhhh
If the tank wasn't half empty, then sure. But I've fired M829A2 and gone clean through the tank and nothing happened.
@@carlbruh6059 as i said, skill issue
@@scharrk That's not a skill issue. Putting APFSDS through the center of a tank should kill it. Stop trying to rage bait.
@@carlbruh6059 it is a skill issue, learn to aim where the crew sits.
This things are class cannons and nothing else.
…… the bias machine, plain and simple …… defending the snail, the kiss of death
HSTV-L should be 10.3 straight up
Fine where its at.
PUMA was pushed up quite a bit, and it is far worse than the 2S38
It only kills main battle tanks on the side. I don't see any of them. And I'll be quite honest with you. When I do see them, they're burning and they talk about moving this thing up. Well you know what? Go ahead and buy the God. D*** thing and then they'll move it up on you. I'm not a big fan of it. I have it, but I wish I'd never bought the God damn thing. Cause it can only kill main battle tanks from the side. Oh, sure. It can kill planes and helicopters. But a lot of times you get 1 or 2 kills on planes and you're dead. Personally, I think it was the worst buy I have done.I'm not a big fan of the fucking thing
It's versatile but thats about it.
It can kill most MBTs frontally, what are you talking about?
His literally on the vid penning MBTs from the front.....
Yeah, it kills a sweetie's tank. We all know what that is Hey, put it up against the neighborhood's frontal assault and you're not going to pin it and if you do you get lucky, put it app against the leopard the German leopard, you know, you guys don't seem to get what I'm telling you the good. Tanks it don't kill unless you get them from the side. How many videos did it take you to get this? And if you look at it, the majority of the kills are from the side and he had help on the one, it was an assist. Hey, here's an idea.Why don't you test it out yourself@@M0LOCK
@@davidmerritt2837 Yeah it easily kills MBTs from the front, literally using it right now and whats the problem with your sentence,feels like you just hit your head on your keyboard