😋Use code LEEJA50 to get 50% off your first Factor box at bit.ly/3lJJNlZ ! ⚡There are so many rabbit holes to go down when it comes to Jill Stein and third party candidates--what did I miss and are you still gonna vote for her?
If you live in a swing state please don't vote for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris because Trump is dangerous and must be stopped. A small number of votes for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris in the swing states could give Trump the presidency.
Just wanted to say, im an ex-right winger, ex-trump supporter, and while I dont agree with you on everything, you have helped me move away from the right. Thank you
I used to be a hardcore skin head. And well, The path of the radicalization and deprogramming are long ones. Not saying you were ever at that point, all I’m saying is it’s hard to adress and unlearn your prejudice and you should take pride in your progress :) Good job
@@pinetreesquad2375I am in the same boat. For about a year and a half I've been deprogramming from right wing indoctrination that warped me for over a decade. Leeja is certainly one influencer whose opinion I respect.
Vote yes for measure 117 if you live in Oregon to allow rank choice voting. We have some great organizers working on the ground here. So when you get your ballot please vote.
"I'm not voting Harris to teach her a lesson" Buddy, Harris will be fine if Trump wins. It's the rest of us soaking in all the fallout. And we remember who brought us there the last time.
That's what kills me about the people in the comments going on about Cornel West and Jill Stein. OK, vote for them if you must, but I don't want to hear screeching from these said quarters when we're watching our families and neighbors get deported, women are forced to carry rapists fetuses to term and women can't get divorced because God said so. It's not going to be getting through another 4 years of Trump. It's going to be a completely new landscape for us. They're just trying to get him over the finish line to hand the baton to a 39 year old dictator in waiting. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
@@ZappBranniglenn To be fair look at big picture. Dems failed neo-liberal policies over decades allowed him to grow his wealth and exploit working class. So ultimately Democrats gave us Trump. He was a Democrat for the longest time. Their policies obviously suited him and his economic class.
As a leftist in another country, I really do feel bad for American leftists. It's times like this that I'm grateful to be a leftist in a parliamentary democracy and not a two-party oligarchy. I couldn't even imagine having to choose between two reprehensible right-wing candidates who would be considered a conservative and a fascist in most other developed countries.
@@LolaBgcps I can understand the arguments from both sides. On the one hand the US system is designed to force everyone to choose between two options and voting third party seems futile, but on the other hand voting for the "lesser of two evils" just creates a ratchet effect that pushes the Overton Window to the right. Shaming leftists for voting for Jill Stein and Cornel West seems like a stupid move by Democrats. If they wanted to win them over, they should try harder to put progressive interests ahead of Wall Street and the military industrial complex, but that isn't gonna happen anytime soon.
Lmao idk where you live but I'm 35 and this was the first year I got to vote for who I wanted to vote for because I had a candidate in my area. It is not democratic in the UK.
If Jill Stein was serious about ending the two party system, she would be advocating for better election methods instead of reappearing every 4 years to make a futile run for president.
People have been advocating for better election methods since before Jill was born. It's not working. Dems and Repubs are never going to change what's working for them. It needs to start with us on the outside. I'm kinda of hoping Trump will win to get all you talkers off of your couch and into the streets. And start supporting better candidates instead of being fear mongered into believing we're stuck with this system.
Let me repeat this for those people in the back: Jill Stein is not going to be elected president. Like it or not, voting is a strategic choice in US politics. People will vote for the candidate who they think will do the best for them and has the best shot at winning. On the presidential level, a Dem or GOP candidate has every structural advantage in the book, plus reliable name recognition. You can't break the two party system from the top down. It's not gonna happen this year, or in 2028 or in 2032. If Jill Stein was really interested in shifting the two party dynamic, she'd be running as a Mayoral candidate. The green party should focus on municipal elections, then state house and Senate races, then gubernatorial or federal congressional seats. It would probably do a lot more good to have 8 third party senators than it would to throw away the effort trying to grab the presidency.
@@ChadAgain it will never start with president. Even if against all odds a third party candidate won, they would get absolutely nothing done as neither party in congress would work with them as it is against their interests. A third party that isn't building from local elections up isn't a serious party and it's members are just grifters.
@@kyguy2016 Bro I misread that. I thought it said Arkansas, not Alaskans lol. But in all seriousness I hope you guys do keep it. Don't be like Massachusetts who voted against it.
A major thing that annoys me about Jill Stein is that she is a professional presidential campaign runner. That is how she makes her money. That is her job. She really is not making any positive changes in anyone's life. It is just running for president that she does. Bottom line, she is a grifter.
Plenty of green party members have been elected over the years, I've also seen hundreds of people switch to green since Biden was a joke and Kamala is literally talking about putting Conservatives in power, they're a complete joke.
Genuinely not looking to be combative: If someone like me who did NOT live in a swing state and is ENTIRELY opposed to genocide, fracking, and corporate special interests in politics (all of which Kamala explicitly supports) why should I not vote for the party that best represents my values? Again, I understand if I lived in Georgia or Pennsylvania why I would pick Kamala, but I don’t. So why should I still vote for her when she doesn’t represent what I want?
Because Stein is a Russian plant who will never do a thing for you. Why do you think she is quick to denounce Harris and Netanyahu, but refuses to denounce Putin, even when confronted directly?
If you were at sea, and you have to choose between being eaten by a shark or being rescued by the boat of someone who goes against your values but is willing to rescue you, would you honestly pick the shark? Its called "survival."
@@BadgerCheese94 But that scenario is a false binary you are pretending represents the voting decision. I live in California. The result is predetermined. No matter who I vote for, Kamala will win, so I should actually do the non-idiotic thing and vote for the candidate that represents what I want, which is what everyone else should be doing anyway
Yep. That's how the last successful 3rd party did it. You might have heard of them. They are called the Republicans. Their candidate is choice? Heard of him, too.... Abraham Lincoln. A pity their big business, anti-immigrant wing that was present from the start won after they kicked out their last great Progressive. You know him too ... Teddy Roosevelt. (Though he was a racist, misogynistic sob.)
@catkin-z8g This is fucking bullshit. There are already 2 indipendent elected senators, to make an example. They could definitely find some places where they could habe chances, invest in someone to run, and they would inevitably get some seats, which is something they must do if they are serious about doing anything But they don't even try. Stein is literally payed by Russia (there is ton of proof she even has ties with putin, btw) to sway votes away from the dems If she was serious, she would do ANYTHING between presidential races. The green party not only never gained anything, they even lost a lot of supporters (lucky, since they are just a bs party)
Jill Stein does nothing for four years, pops up like a Spirit Halloween to take donations for campaign money, then disappears like it's November 1st after she loses.
Thankyou for also offering a more neutral comparison than the cicada one I've seen, that gets deflected as a Jewish microaggression rather than actually engaging with our point of how she is exploitatively seasonal. Like, I believe in the idea of "ok I'll listen, avoid that, and find a better comparison/word to use so you'll engage with my point" And I promise, I would love to have what she offers. But she isn't offering realistic ways to deliver it, and our humanitarian needs are being dangled in front of us to leverage us for clout, for an outcome that is plain incompatible with the two party voting system. No matter how idealistic, *we are not getting a majority of the country to vote for her, they simply ideologically won't* This voting system isn't going to fix the problem, it will actually determine the environment WE will be fixing the problem within, politicians will fail us under this system. it is OUR work that does it, and we need to vote for maximum odds to prevent outright criminality of our ability to fight back. Not vote for a politician who claims she'll fix it for us.
Jill’s paid for the release of a Jan 6th rioter, and has literally received money from Russia. She’s the epitome of a grifter. This is coming from someone who wholeheartedly supports Palestine and Lebanon in their fight for existence against apartheid Israel.
TBH the Pro-Palestine movement has become overrun in recent months by grifters and closet anti-semites. The original message has been lost in exchange of bloodlust, racism and greed
@@coppermoth6069you should vote for Kamala because based on trumps rhetoric he’d be worse, because Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and because throwing minorities at home and our allies around the world under the bus isn’t going to solve anything.
I agree with most of your points but to assume that Nader or Stein voters would have automatically voted for Gore or Clinton has no basis in fact. Many third party voters would rather not vote at all out of principle as they aren’t governed by fear and the lesser of two evils mentality. Would a percentage of third party hold their noses and vote for an establishment candidate? Yes, a percentage would but most would not. If the Democrats would return to being the party of FDR instead of Clinton/Obama, they would rarely lose. I hope Harris isn’t an Obama 2.0 disappointment setting us up for the next fascist.
Funny that you mention FDR when he was the guy who put Japanese Americans (and let's be honest, probably anyone who looked Asian anyways) into concentration camps.
people can vote for whomever they want. Just remember, if 45 becomes 47, those same Project 2025 fascist rules will affect them as negatively as they would Harris voters. 45 is not going to care that they were green party voters. Look at how he left his own supporters out in the desert in the heat in Coachella in California a couple of weeks ago. I didn't even hear him apologize for it.
Exactly, even with a transfer of 100% of the votes, which is impossible, the Democrats' victories would still be doubtful. In 2016, the Democrats had a better candidate with a better chance of winning, but they chose to blatantly rig the primaries, alienating a large portion of their voters and then blaming Stein for being idiots.
And besides, in the last 2 elections (and probably more) we lost because of abstension. More people did not vote, than people voted for the reds or the blues, let alone a 3rd party candidate.
Also important: LOOK HOW POPULAR TRUMP IS IN ISRAEL! They love Trump in Israel! He's more popular there than here and more than Netanyahu! "Punishing" Kamala could result in awarding Israel with the US President they want!
@@ResplendentTrash I’m confused it’s bad that bibi wants trump…so why does Harris practically all but state she’ll continue Biden’s sugar daddy habits and will always support Israel? Wouldn’t that be bad that Harris supports someone that likes trump?
I swear I saw leftists call Angela Davis a Zionist after she endorsed Harris. There’s an analogy that gets used in UK politics, elections are like buses, you’re just looking for the one going closest to where you want to go, Stein and Trump’s buses go to the same place.
Back in 2016 I made the mistake of voting for Stein. My rationale was that while I knew she couldn't win, the unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote, and they both just disappeared after the election was over. Since then it's become so much more agonizingly obvious how much of a grifter Jill is and I feel like I got suckered. There's no grassroots organizing from the greens, no state or local government campaigns, just vain presidential runs every 4 years. While Clinton was still a widely unpopular candidate, to say she would have been as bad as Trump is just factually wrong. Roe V Wade would still be the law of the land. The pandemic would not have ravaged the US nearly as badly. Learned my lesson. Voted Biden in 2020 and Kamala this year. I can't stomach the thought of young girls in this country being at risk of growing up with even fewer rights than their grandmothers had.
"The unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote." The mistake wasn't by you; it was by the voters who chickened out and stayed loyal to the Duopoly.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq That's not how it works, jfc. The US uses First Past the Post, and that system effectively mathematically guarantees a two-party system. If you want SYSTEMIC change, you need to change the system. Wasting your vote to empower the candidate you like THE LEAST will *absolutely never* bring about the change you claim to want. Trump getting elected *will not* somehow empower (grifters like) Jill Stein, or w/e.
The least they could have done was vote for Bernie. And yet people apparently have amnesia about how the democrat party consistently sabotage progressive candidates.
they’re not the same people! kamala has ALWAYS had more progressive policies than Biden. and Biden is way more pro-union and more progressive than ALL of the last 8-10 democrat presidents. he’s just become a giant hypocrite & a supporter of genocide, which will forever tarnish that reputation of progressiveness.
Right-leaning “democrats” prevented Biden’s larger progressive agenda - and he unfortunately is ideologically committed to Israel. He started as the most progressive President in American history, and got stymied, so she adapted. Unfortunate reality.
@@musicman9945 That's why so many people are voting 3rd party, if any third party reaches 5% POPULAR votes, they get automatic access to ballots in 2028, federal and state funds and participating in national debates. Imagine having someone with ordinary common sense in presidential debates.
@@musicman9945I mean a thorough review of the evidence suggests she's the single least bad option with regard to the genocide specifically, and has been attempting repeatedly to communicate her intention to go significantly left of Biden on Israel/Palestine without publicly opposing the party line. That includes third party sources repeatedly affirming that she's actively, ideologically anti-genocide. She's not a leftist, but she is a progressive Dem currently being kept on a very tight leash by Biden's team. All of us on the left should be taking advantage of the fact that she's willing and able to lie to centrists and conservatives to get their votes before stepping leftward into socdem territory, because based on literally everything (past history, leaked info, "leaked" info), that is exactly what she's doing. I mean she said point blank the other day that there should be a national database of police misconduct to stop bad cops from skipping town to get reinstated elsewhere. That's the furthest left statement made in American presidential politics since Bernie. I think she might actually just be ideologically committed to the idea of upholding humanitarian legal standards regardless of context, because she has the same positions on criminal justice and LGBTQ+ rights.
100% grifter. She just pops up 3 months until election to say she's running and siphon donations. At least the PSL candidate Claudia De La Cruz has been running a grassroots campaign for over a year.
@@mr.dirtydan3338 I thought the same until I checked and saw that she had "official write-in" status in my state. Pretty compelling if you live in a red state like me and want to vote your conscience for once.
She's not even left or center. She repeats Putin's talking points. She's a spoiler just like the brain-worms guy and she knows how to make herself useful to the far right by pretending to be on the left.
It was actually a conference with pre assigned seating. There were no translators present nor was there any point where Stein was able to speak with Putin personallu
@@jensjwhah What exactly are you saying? That her sitting there was not intentional, and that someone else assigned her to sit at the table with him? If that's what you're saying, I'm asking that you don't try and gaslight us. ok?
If she wasn't a grifter, she'd be working towards bettering the party every month -- not just during campaign season. The fact that her party is imploding and that the ONLY time she does anything is when running for the highest office is proof that she isn't serious about it. She should be doing the work, not just jumping in at the eleventh hour and claiming she has any experience with policy.
@@KriZtiaN17VL No she's not. This is just you giving lip service so that when Trump gets in you don't feel culpable. If you vote 3rd party and Trump gets in again, knowing everything we know it's 100% the fault of everyone who didn't vote Harris.
Leeja is being dishonest by highlighting David Duke's support of Jill Stein. He could've come out in favor of Chase Oliver from the Libertarian Party that is also anti-war, but clearly he chose Stein to make her look bad by association. The Republican base didn't come out in huge numbers for McCain and Romney. Ron Paul was their equivalent of Bernie Sanders. So the Republican Party shifted to the right and gave them Trump. This is an example of how withholding support can shift a party's positions. The Democrats have shifted to the right starting with Bill Clinton. So there's something to be said about Trotsky's observation that fascism is a reaction to capitalism in crisis. Harris winning will lead to a more extreme Republican running in 2028 and the Democrats will still be the same. If anything, they will also become more right-wing (just watch Harris' DNC speech). Imagine Gavin Newsom vs JD Vance 2028, because that's what you're getting.
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir Ie. you're boosting Trump, who is Netanyahu's pal and extremely pro-Israel and anti-Muslim (and anti-Palestine). Now, if you hate, or don't give a crap about Palestinians, that's fine - although you're also voting for a disaster in the US (domestic chaos, destroying government institutions, an authoritarian power grab, economic turmoil etc.) and the world at large (complete victory for Netanyahu in Palestine, selling off Ukraine to Putin, empowering the likes of Orban and other dictators, etc.).
Jill also seems to be a bad doctor too. In 2016 i remember her trying to appeal to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule and/or recommending to just take half of them. Which to me, as a biolgist, is like finding a halfway point between sanity and insanity. Its like saying "Drinking this entire bottle of bleach would be crazy....so I'll just drink half of it". Thats Jill Stein.
And apparently people want to say she's a good third party choice. I feel like every time she's talked about or shows up, it just adds to another list of reasons as to why I shouldn't like her at all. America deserves a real third party that isn't a complete joke.
@@chrisnotpratt1903 Yes, a lot of my left wing progressive Friends in liberal cities like Chicago are unfortunately safeguarded by the state they live in And Feel that by voting third party they're really making a difference. Their state is going to be blue anyway, they're privileged enough to not really see the effects that their choices can make on the whole country. It's easy enough to just say the right thing like Jill does, but it's obvious that she has no idea what she means by what she says. In recent years I've became much more of a theoretical communist, but in practice I'm more of a social Democrat Because obviously this world isn't ready to work together yet, but that has only come through years of reading left-wing literature and getting involved with community outreach to understand a balance, not just showing up every 4 years to spew poetry like Jill
Shiva Ayyadurai has knowledge of eastern traditions. He spoke out at the critical time in 2020 when Stein was nowhere to be seen. Spacing out and taking fewer could be better but zero is the only way to not poison them.
Wouldn't appealing to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule or recommending to just take half of vaccines be reason for the AMA to take away her license to practice medicine? 🤔
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 I don't think so, because she said it in passing while campaigning, not offering it as legitimate medical advice to patients. She was careful not to really go on a tirade about those kinds of things, but she pushed those conspiracies just enough, which, for people with low IQs, is enough for them to believe it.
A thought: Stein refused Duke's endorsement, yes...But in 2016 she quite famously pointed out that it didn't matter if Hillary rejected endorsements she got because those bad, bad people still gave them to her. So...Yeah. :) Maybe Leeja talks about that later, but it seems she wrapped that part up, so I just wanted to say it.
For anyone that adores Jill Stein, answer me this, Why does Stein only campaign when a Dem is the president versus when a republican is president? If she is against the two parties, wouldn't she do this for both parties and not just one?
why is she hanging out with Putin and Flynn? how is it she think she can run for president and not know how many representatives we have? I have a lot of questions.
@@intuitionz1198ugh I've pointed out thr putin thing so many times and so many people are like "putin isn't that bad actually 🤓" it's embarrassing. Pro steiners don't have anything to stand on but they still do it anyways, they can't be reasoned with
I've been following this election extensively as a Canadian. I keep vacillating in between cautious hopeful optimism and annoyingly cynical pessimism. The amount of holier than thou, 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' rhetoric from enlightened centrists and leftists is infuriating. Only one candidate is hell bent on dismantling every institution and consolidating power amongst themselves and their closest sect of advisors. If they win, there is a very real chance you will never get another say again. The fact that this election is effectively a dead heat is astounding.
And yet, Democrats aren't making much effort to earn those peoples votes, no they'd rather loose than do what most of their own voters want. It's not voters that need to get their act together, it's Democrats.
As an American that's exactly what I scream into my pillow at night. And as an American let me apologize to our lovely northern neighbors. We're working on it. I swear.
Full disclosure: I have voted 3rd Party, I have voted for Jill Stein. I have even run for office 3trd Party. I usually vote 3rd Party if there is one on the ballot and I believe we would have a stronger democracy if everything did not always collapse into two parties. That said, I will add that I voted for Biden in 2020 and will vote for Harris this year despite living in one of the safest blue states because I wanted and now want Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump not merely to be defeated in the electoral vote, but to be crushed in the popular vote. I want Johnson-Goldwater levels. I want Nixon-McGovern levels. I won't get it, but I will do my tiny bit toward making it happen. With that said, my answer to the question "grifter or savior" is "neither." No candidate is a "savior" and if it's a grift, it's a damn lame one. Two final observations: It's become almost traditional, in the event of any close election at any level, to as election day approaches set up third parties as an excuse for losing, the better to avoid addressing your own failures. If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns. Condescension and scolding will not help you. (As an example, even at this late date, were Harris to break with Biden on Gaza it would likely net her several points.) And two, as a member of the Green Party I don't know that I would have voted for Stein anyway. This is her third run and I think she has become too equated with the party in the general public's mind; that is, people think "Green Party=Jill Stein=Green Party." We need new faces.
She didn't run in 2020 and she didn't want to run this year. She stepped up after Cornel West bailed. I think getting Greens past 5% so they can be at the debates, have ballot access and federal matching funds is a lot more constructive than making Trump feel bad. Genocide is such an obvious red line, I can't understand how insignificant it appears to be to so many people.
True. I think of the Green Party as being a vehicle for her massive ego and as a spoiler to aid the far right. When the Green Party starts working at a grass-roots level (the puns write themselves) for progressive change, I'll take them seriously.
@@TheAureliac The Green party has won over 1500 local elections. You just don't hear about it on the corporate media because corporate media only cover corporate sellouts. Greens don't take corporate $, nor AIPAC $. They have a tiny fraction of the billion $ that Dems raise every election. Dems make empty promises like codifying Roe every election, then choose to fail once in office. Dems are the grifters, not Greens. Jill Stein didn't run last election, and she didn't want to run this year either. She only stepped up this time because Cornel West bailed. You ignorantly parrot the smear that she runs for ego, but that's just empty propaganda by a corrupt Dem party that is afraid of honest competition. If Dems weren't so corrupt, we wouldn't need a Green party.
@@TheAureliac I don't intend to go on with this, so know that I will read any reply but don't be offended if I don't respond further. That said, three things: I'm always amused by accusations of "massive ego" directed against candidates. We know Trump has a big ego, but are we to think that Harris doesn't? Do you really think anyone could undertake running for president with the intention of winning or even, for 3rd Party candidates, being taken seriously without a big ego? Really? Next, I call BS on the "spoiler to aid the far right." That's the same old same old "You're just helping the other side" with an accusation of conscious intent added to the standard one of effect. Finally, the GP has worked and does work on the local level. But first, any office below House of Representatives is unlikely to get any non-local news coverage so you wouldn't hear about it, second, many local elections are non-partisan, so a GP member could win but wouldn't be identified that way, and third, where they are partisan, 3rdParty candidates get the same "you're helping the other side" that they get in non-local elections. Indeed, because the GP is so small, it's impact, like 3td Parties generally, will be seen mostly on the local level - the school board turned away from banning books here, the underserved community getting its sewers improved there - while presidential campaigns serve mostly as advertisement for the party. Which brings me back to an earlier point: "If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns." If you fail and lose an election as a result, you have yourself to blame, not them. Bluntly, the prospect of a Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump victory is not Jill Stein's fault, it's the Democrats'.
@@whoviating No it is the Republican's own fault they still have Trump the DEMENTED. (They simply refuse to let the sick old man retire...they want the SECOND COMING!!! or some other CREEPY RELIGIOUS THING to SAVE their way of "half-dead life" circa year ZERO. You know turn off the power and live as primitive as you can as the Lord decreed - as the book says.) Hence their extreme pro-Isreal stance. etc.
I agree that Trump is far and away worse than Kamala. But I would summarize what she said as, "The two party system sucks but I'm going to do my part to perpetuate it by continuing to vote for one of the two major parties."
If you like the ability to freely worship religions other than Christianity, you shouldn’t waste your vote on Jill Stein. The irony of a lot Stein supporters saying “no more genocide”, “free Palestine” “no more wars”, etc. When You know the MAGA nuts want to make us a Christian nation. Its ludicrous.
What I find very ironic, is that Jill Stein supporters always ignore the fact that she said we shouldn't get involved with foreign conflicts, when she was discussing Ukraine. I don't like her hypocrisy about foreign affairs and her apparently close ties to Putin, who also supports Palestine (though that could either mean supporting Hamas, actually being concerned for the people, or just wanting to be the complete opposite of the United States). I'm pretty sure she's also an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist, but I don't know too much about that.
@@Cuccamonga-vn2jm So you expect us to believe Korrupt Kapitalist Kamala who ultimately can justify and give cover to a genocide by religious extremists (Zionists) won’t do the same for our domestic religious extremists? No reason to trust her not establishment democrats to do as they said. Rather put my time and effort into actual resistance. Not some political party that keeps compromising with fascism.
@chrisnotpratt1903 yeah, she once spread weird pro Russian bs about thr genocide in Syria in 2016. I don't for a minute believe she's actually supportive if palestine, all for one genocide but against one? Yeah right, i smell those Rubels in that pocket of hers
Heck, as Christian pastor who was part of a denomination that sued the last Trump administration over its decision to interfere in women's reproductive choice and the requirements to provide equal accommodations to LGBTQIA/2S folx, if you want the right to participate in non-white Christian nationalist versions of Christianity don't vote for Jill Stein.
@@corinneobrien6196 oh fascinating when goal posts walk, “the greens should focus on local elections, wait they can’t because they have to run presidential campaigns to even run local ones? Well that makes no difference anyway harrumph!”
I'm from the UK and watch your videos to stay updated with US politics. I'm also a member of the Green Party here, who places a huge focus on local politics, which I think is why we went from 1 Green MP to 4 in the last GE. It's a shame to see Jill Stein's Green Party is not making the same effort. Thank you for educating me, and fingers crossed for the best outcome in the election in November 🤞
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
The left can't win. If Bernie Sanders runs for the Democrat nomination, he's a grifter who should have run on a third-party ticket; if Jill Stein runs on a third-party ticket, she's a grifter who should have run for the Democrat nomination!
Who do you think are the real grifters, the Greens who don't take any corporate $ or AIPAC $ and have about 5 million this election, or the Dems raise a billion $ every election and do the bidding of Wall Street, fossil fuel, and the war machine?
@@TihetrisWeathersby then why aren’t the democrats doing anything to win those angry voters back instead of clapping about winning one of George w bush’s torture program writers, and not getting into a pissing contest about who’s going to be tougher on the border?
@@KriZtiaN17VL Ie. she's grifting the way Trump grifts: just say what the people want to hear. Stein is absolutely unqualified, and has exactly ZERO chance to make any kind of change, and voting for her is voting for Donald Trump (and his pals, like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
She's never received $ from Russia. She paid her own way to that conference, where all she did was speak up for peace. She criticized Putin's militarism along with US militarism. She was investigated for 3 years based on that stupid photo, and they found no wrongdoing at all. You're a victim of propaganda.
Genious, don't you think she had been trialed fort treason if that was the case? She was investigated and EXONERATED by the Sen. Intel , see Muller Report on Freign Interference, volume III, published by the Sen. in 2019.
@@samf.s.7731 "She sat near a dictator who has imperialist and expansionist ambitions! And?! I don't see how that matters! Anyway, Isreal should stop that in Gaza, is bad! Dear American Left. Just stop.
i dislike leeja because her argument always boils down to get over it and vote dem no matter what, but if i wanted to hear that i could just turn on MSNBC and get a less intelligible version in a shorter time.
It's mostly because people just stop engaging with politics when it isn't an election year. When it's an election year and suddenly there are two lesser evils it's because people that support people like Jill don't do anything to get her in talks and popular enough to actually be decent in the running. I think Bernie in 2016 or arguably 2020 are the only good examples of 3rd party support in a major election. The issue is no one complaining about the two parties always being the only option ever does anything so it always becomes that. Complaining about it when the race has started means you're already too late and now due to that complacency these are your options.
@~13:00, "Trump winning isn't punishment for the Democrats, it's punishment for millions of working and oppressed people." As important as this election is, why aren't Harris and the Dems trying harder to win? Why would Harris risk another Trump presidency instead of giving up the money from AIPAC? She's willing to let that happen just for some money, and you want people to vote for her? Tighten up.
Exactly, the voters are NOT to be blamed if Trump wins, why should I vote for a candidate which doesn’t represents me? It’s that simple, that’s what Democracy means, the democrats can’t keep winning forever therefore the blame goes to the system NOT to the voter!!
Spot on. For me the most infuriating thing about democrats is that Netanyahu and AIPAC are actually hoping and praying that they lose to Trump but yet they keep worshiping them. I have never sen anything like this in politics.
She is trying to to win. This is where leftists are delusional. The reality is that leftists ideas are unpopular. That is why leftist candidates almost always lose. Kamala isn't supporting Israel because of money, she is doing it because most americans support Israel and Democrats would not even stand a chance of winning if they turned against Israel.
I just wish Harris would stop getting Trumpier to appeal to undecided centrists... like, I legit think a more winning strat would be going more toward the left and appealing to disillusioned working class voters who think voting is useless but may change their mind if Harris was a good enough candidate. But rn it seems like shes throwing it
I personally think someone's campaigning strat is just that, a strat to try and get as many votes as possible and nothing more. I did vote for her, but I also want to wait and see what she actually does with the presidency, if she actually gets it. I apply this to any candidate regardless of party, whatever they say when campaigning and trying to gather votes may not by reflective of how they will actually conduct themselves in office. It may be a good way to gage their overall position, but not for much else.
@peggedyourdad9560 well yeah but my point is that she's shooting her own campaign in the foot by disillusioning voters instead of filling non voters with enough hope to vote. And look what happened...
After the 2016 election, Jill Stein raised $7.3 million from hopeful Clinton voters to pay for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (under the false hope this might change the results) and claimed she was $100k short so that would come out of her own campaign's coffers. Then she failed to do the recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania and spent less than $1 million for a meaningless Wisconsin recount. The remaining $6+ million disappeared while the Stein campaign stopped filing monthly FEC reports from 2017-2018. THAT is where most of those FEC fines came from. When they did start finally report to the FEC again they claimed that all that money had been used to continue paying campaign staffers' salaries for nearly three years after the 2016 election was over. What this staff was doing to earn that salary - financed off of donations from Hillary supporters for a recount is beyond me. 🤷♀️ They clearly did absolutely nothing to promote any of her "causes." Explain to me how this ISN'T a massive grift.
Because you're repeating dnc, talking points, did Obama build up some kind of coalition? No, he was running against Hillary. The third Democrat was unknown. And only because people listened it to him. Did he gain the support to win? Listen to what Jill Stein has to say. This is believing the people in power. About what will or will not take away their power!?!?!?!
@LeejaMiller Thank you for this video btw. I just had to delete some apps because I couldn’t stop arguing with people about this very topic. It’s so validating to hear someone articulate clearly what I keep trying to get across.
Just more of the leftist* base in general. They keep pushing right to a base that will never entertain them if they think they're the same politician but with more taxes.
That’s what I tell partisans when they try to say that voting third party/independent takes away votes from X and gives it to Y. I tell them “you can’t take a vote from someone who wasn’t going to vote for them in the first place”.
I’ve seen this same argument against every third party candidate on both parties. Most people I talk to that support third parties do so because of the safety of their districts, and would not vote for their prospective “main” party candidate regardless. Whining about spoilers has never been as effective as adopting popular policy positions, for any party.
I think people assume those people are leftists who might understand the major threat to leftist values, the environment, and people’s ability to have their votes counted that a Trump presidency would result in, and might cast their votes based on that.
Ok, as someone who is currently planning on voting green this election cycle, I will go ahead and say it with my chest like you asked. I don't think Jill Stein will win, I'm not voting for her to "punish" Harris, I still hope Harris wins this year, I wish I could vote green up and down the ticket, I will vote blue where green isnt an option. I live in a solid blue state, if I lived in a swing state or even a red state I would probably be voting Harris, if some news came forward that made me think my state could flip red I would probably change my vote to Harris. As of right now in a solid blue state where my vote changes nothing about the outcome of the election because of the way the electoral college is set up I feel like the best thing I can do with my otherwise insignificant vote is vote for the issues I want to see adressed. I wont be voting early just in case I need to swallow the bitter pill and vote for Harris to keep the fascist out of office but as of right now those are the reasons I intend to vote green.
Actually the only good pro green argument, i live in a red state and still vote blue or for the less extreme Republican. If you know who is gonna win, your vote still sends a message.
Hello Edson. May I ask if you are you Brazilian or otherwise Portuguese-speaking? That beautiful name Edson is common in Brazil and some countries in Africa :) There are some points I'd like to leave here for your consideration, that were not addressed on the video: A) JiII has a goal of actual winning, she's not "just a tool". 5% popular vote will put a REAL LEFT PARTY seating at the table with the 2 main parties, as it could be in ballots in the next election, with better funded campaigns and participating in national debates with the 2 main parties. B) "JiII is just a protest vote": not really. JiII and the GP have social plans, both for everybody and for minorities, that includes cutting expenditure in wars and using that money in social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising minimum wage. C) In some states, parties are required to have had presidential candidates in the previous elections to be able to have local candidates.The Green Party voted for JiII. D) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor funds from interest groups and mega corporations, so the campaigns aren't as flashy, with big rallies. But reaching 5% of popular vote would give the GP access to federal and state funds, automatic ballot access and participation in national debates. It would finally give a third party a chance to compete with the other 2 parties, and that's what many people want. E) Endorsements: JiII is endorsed by Jeffrey Sachs and AbandonHarris. Regarding the KKK person, JiII never asked for it, and she REJECTED it on the same day. F) Using a lawyer or firm that Trump used: so that lawyer that is specialized in Election Law shouldn't work for any other politician for the reswt of his life? And the consulting firm either? G) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number D). Also, these smearing videos are VOTER SUPRESSION to me! Tem um bom dia!
As a European I really think USA is screwed as far as credibility on a global level. Foreign policy is basically the same whether one or the other wins
It can be easy to fall into the all or nothing reform plans on the left, and these videos help me stay more grounded in my political aspirations. I'm planing to go into activism and politics and this channel was one of the first things that really pushed me down that path! Thanks for all you do Leeja!!!!
well yes they are democrats. they voted to go to Iraq based on an empty building being knocked down on live tv that had nothing to do with Iraq.this wasnt a surprise given Clinton had already been in Iraq in the 90s and was involved in more wars than any other president.
In Florida, 24,000 Dems voted for Nader, while 300,000 Dems voted for Bush. Dems always blame anyone but themselves for their own failures. But they have a stranglehold on the media, so everyone just believes their lies.
@@evasco1979 The left used to know enough to blame the Democratic Party's electoral losses on their systematic shortcomings, and some still do. But when the "pragmatic" left did the DNC's dirty work, they sent the message "It's up to us to support you unanimously no matter how badly you let us down," which guaranteed worse letdowns!
First, I love your work, regular viewer. There were a number of points I found troubling. David Duke endorsed Stein and Stein denounced the endorsement. That's important especially since Kamala Harris gleefully accepted Dick Cheney's endorsement. Speaking of moving to the right and Alienating voters Al Gore chose Joe Lieberman as his vp. The same Joe who campaigned for John McCain and killed the public option. That's why Gore lost. In the election of 1856 John Fremont ran against 2 establishment candidates and James Buchanan won but the momentum from Fremont gave Lincoln a better chance 4 years later. The last minutes of the video I agree with. We are told democracy is a popularity contest every 4 years but what happens in the middle, the protests, and calls for a better democracy are of greater importance. I may disagree here, but thank you for the work you do. It's important and informative.
Great point about the endorsements. Kamala is actively saying she is proud of the endorsements of the Cheneys. That’s a pretty concerning and might be a sign of what you are really going to get is she wins the presidency
The david duke thing to me seems like he is actually aware that his endorsement was used against trump last time and thinks this will prevent people using him against trump this time around and be more believable than him supporting any other candidate. or its some publicity stunt. I could be giving too much credit to someone who called themself "grand wizard" as a fully grown adult though. This isnt cope either im not a stein supporter and already voted against her
Thank You, Leeja for your clear voice on this matter. I am, in general, a big believer in the power of symbolic action but not when It can have such negative unintended (? presumably) consequences.
Correct. Stein wasn't planning to run this time around, but was more or less FORCED to, because the Greens would lose their hard-won ballot line in future elections if they didn't have a candidate on the ballot for 2024. When West decided to drop the Greens and make an independent run, Dr. Stein was the only other choice the party had on such short notice.
What gets me is that, I can give folks a pass on their naivete in 2016. But IDK how anyone who's old enough to have lived through the past 4-8 years would sincerely risk Trump getting back into office. The loss of the SC alone, and the consequences that came from that, should be more than enough to have people reconsider if this election is the one to play around with. There's no leverage to be used against a party who have made clear they'll never let us have a seat at the table if they can help it.
I voted for Biden and it’s one of my deepest regrets in my life, I knew he had a horrible track record for death and destruction in the Middle East, when I voted for him I even commented how he would be better for my friends and family but worse for the rest of the world, and I was right… I wish there was a candidate who cared about everyone and wasn’t evil, and Jill Stein isn’t evil, but everyone is so dedicated to the two party system, that I know she won’t win. If everyone voted for a president they actually wanted to win, we wouldn’t be in this situation. I’ve never met a single person who sincerely liked Biden, they just didn’t want Trump, same with Kamala.
@@coppermoth6069 I too wish the overall electoral system was better, but progress isn't made with perfect candidates and wishful thinking. Additionally, how can you confidently say "Jill Stein isn't evil," when she's never held office in a way that would push and challenge her convictions? The general logic to support her seems to be solely based on the fact that she's a 3rd party who says the right things, rather than how sincere she is as a person, much less how effective she'd be as a president. She can't even rebuke Putin with her whole chest in the same way she does Netanyahu, but we're supposed to believe she's up to the task regarding foreign affairs? But away from that, none of what you said refutes my core point: There is no moving forward with the kind of people who have made clear, on no uncertain terms, how much contempt they have for progressives and democracy. I'll say one more time: This is NOT the election to play around with. The kicker is that breaking up the two-party system wont magically solve all our problems either. What good is an extra party while the EC stays in place (forget the quality of those extra parties)? Play the game pragmatically until you have the leverage to change the rules. Bernie, AOC, and others have long-since figured this out, and have proven it works.
@@coppermoth6069 There is no 2 party system. They are dedicated to wasting their vote in a 2 party strategy that helps the party they supposedly don't want. Biden was rolling out the red carpet for Trump to win in a land slide.
As a Seattleite from Sawant's former district it's THIS CRAP of her's I can't stand. By all means we're aligned politically but I personally voted to recall her because she is prone to doing destructive, performance based gimmicks at the cost of real progress. She is so self righteous to suggest sabotaging a Dem president just to make a point about a single issue.
@@evasco1979 if I sound exasperated it's because she liked pulling stunts and ranting rather than making effective change. Performative in that she, in one stunt, she leaked protected personal info on our past mayor during a protest she organized all in order to whip people into a frenzy. Destructive in that her behavior has poisoned the well for other democratic socialist from being able to mount a campaign even in Seattle's most liberal district. Instead of being practical, working within a flawed system to then advocate for leftist change, as Leeja suggests, she wanted to cosplay being a revolutionary without actually insighting any change. And she's done this for years.
@@coppermoth6069 its absolutely sabotage through a legal voting system. Okay say she succeeds in having Michigan swing to Trump. Now what? Now we're further from the policies she claims to advocate for AND his administration will make it harder to even start. What's her grand plan here? Insight socialist revolution by letting the country swing to the right wing first?
The fact that this is even an argument shows the moral decay of the democratic party. No political party should ever blame third parties for theit loses it shows your party has done nothing to inspire their constituent.
Thank you for articulating much more succinctly than I have been when trying to explain to those who've told me they're thinking of voting for Jill Stein.
Of course she does. We have many rights we can exercise that happen to be a very bad idea for the world. She's a delusional narcissist and while I'm sure she genuinely believes otherwise is a wonderful assistant to Republicans with her insane logic and justifications for running while no one hears a damn thing from her the 3.5 years between elections. I was a registered Green many years ago, the US Green Party has their heads so far up their own asses they are a waste to support.
I honestly understand why people would want to vote for Jill Stein and I understand why people would criticize voting for Jill Stein. I do think that she needs to do more effort on the local level and she just shouldn't use people like pawns, but at the same time there are so many reasons why people are voting for Jill Stein. The people who don't want Trump or Kamala Harris are voting for her because they want to an advocate for Palestine and other issues. I do understand that this is a two-party system but if we want real change then having a third party candidate that is popular is going to help in the long run. There hasn't been a ceasefire and the Biden, Harris office hasn't done anything for legitimate ceasefire and they haven't stopped the weapon supply. Also the economy's not looking great and immigration is not looking great either and people are frustrated. Also many third party candidates did not steal anything from the Democrats. Votes were not stolen from the Democrats. But I do want to emphasize that if you don't vote for Harris or if you vote for a third party let's not demonize people. There are real causes on why you would vote for third party. Also Jill Stein isn't the only one you can vote for there are many third party candidates out there. also voting for a Democrat is still upholding the system it's just which system do you actually want to vote for.
What about the fact that if 5% of the votes go to a third party candidate, they are eligible to receive funding from the federal election committee? Why is that not a reasonable reason for us to vote for Stein (or another candidate) that represents a party we want to grow?
Protest vote for further left candidates always backfires. When democrats lose they move further right to try to pull what they see as 'moderate' votes. This has been a big part of the shift right of American political discourse over the last 4 decades. Democrats move further left only when they feel safe to do so.
@@uooooooooh there are a good number of democrats that are further left than the average member of their party. They are only in areas that are solidly liberal. Should they ever be threatened on the right they move that way. It's been happening for decades. Protest votes not only don't work, they only help the party further from your ideals.
The money the party gets from AIPAC and the rest of the donor class ASSURES that they will NEVER move to the left. Look at all the effort they put into ratfucking Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020....
I live in California, which we all know will be sending its votes towards Kamala. My vote for Kamala or my vote for a third party candidate won’t change that fact. I have that “privilege” to be able to make that choose on who I truly want to vote for. I will be voting third party just like I did in 2020. My third party vote in California isn’t going to swing election or going to change the trajectory of the government to be more friendly to 3rd party candidates. If I lived in a swing state, I would be 100% casting my vote for Kamala because I know what the consequences are of a second Trump administration.
It comes down to this. I can't vote for any candidate who actively perpetuates the worst crime against humanity that can be done. If both candidates are on board with that then I can't vote for etiher one.
I live in Seattle. Sawant is the absolute worst and an embarrassment to the city of Seattle. I am looking forward to voting against her as soon as I can b
Well the republican party was once a 3rd party! They broke in and managed to replace the other 2nd major party of the time, the Whigs. Funny enough they did this at another contentious point in our history too. At the time the Whigs were unravelling over their support of slavery. Both major parties supported it and people were getting sick of it. Finally, after The Kansas Nebraska Act (which would've essentially made it possible to bring slavery into the western territories), people from both parties had had enough and decided to form the Republican Party. From what I understand, the first time they tried running they weren't successful, but they managed to garner enough support so that the second time they ran, people saw the potential and decided to join. And that's the story of how the Republican party became the next major party :) ..... So really, it's only impossible if you never try... Sure they might not win in this election BUT -- if they get a large enough support from the people, and the other two parties continue to be an exact replica of one another by 2028, then yes by the next election cycle it could CERTAINLY happen! There may have been a lot of disagreements within the parties way back when, as well as many a split due to several issues, but it took the issue of SLAVERY to finally make it happen. Elites on both sides wanted to keep it, but people's humanity finally prevailed! Today, its the elites of both parties who want to continue a gen.0.cide along with their corrupt corporate agenda's. And once again, humanity has the chance of prevailing if people were to actually demand what they really want. Demand and persevere through the consequences for the next 4 years. Push through the discomfort of forgoing the status quo so that the NEXT ELECTION CYCLE - we actually can have a better future and party for we the people :) I mean we either take a chance fighting for something different, or submit to an endless cycle we've seen only gets more and more evil within each term :/
She's been running since the early 2000s her and her party have had more than enough time to build up a strong support system and get into office but here we are 🤷🏾♀️
@@eddie-lamardavis1354 Her running since then is not a sign a sign of a bad party but that of a bad system. A corrupt rigged system that goes above and beyond, pouring millions of dollars into making sure the American people believe they have no other choice -and people like you eat it right up and go onto be their propaganda operatives. Her running since then is not a sign of her incompetence but that of a weak population who continuously conforms to a system they’ll forever complain about 🤷♀️
Remember that 2016 was Jill Stein's fault. It had nothing to do with Hillary failing to campaign in swing states late in the election cycle or her team putting on a horrible campaign. Or the fact that she was a highly unpopular candidate.
Dems refusal to live in the real world is so funny. Yeah your terrible establishment candidate only lost cos of evil Russians. Definitely nothing to do with her being awful and her husband being a rapist and pedophile.
@@obinator9065 Or maybe you’re someone with piss poor media diet who doesn’t actually do any research. They are active at all levels but Democrats (as well republicans) do suppress/block ballot access and votes. They have been putting in effort to also reform voting process to ranked choice for a while.
@@SmugFrost by lot you mean the one time she was seated at the same table at a news conference event. Which is not out the ordinary for her at multiple countries. Which she’s been cleared of any wrong doing and she’s explained multiple times. Not like she even had a way to converse with him. She doesn’t speak Russian. So unless he opts to speak English which he probably wouldn’t around her. No translator provider to her. She provided the recipits that the campaign paid for the travel and lodging
Leeja, That was very thorough and clearly presented. I fell upon your channel by chance, looking for more facts about the adverse effects of third-party candidates. I subscribed and will find some time to listen to some of your earlier podcasts. Thank you, I genuinely appreciate your balance option.
Hello! I agree they were good points, but many equally good were left out: 1) JiII is not "just a tool", she has her own goals to win. 5% popular vote would give the Greens, automatic access to ballots in the 2028 election, public funds and participation in national debates. 2) "JiII is just a protest vote": no, not really. JiII and the Green Party have social plans for the US, that include cutting exopenses in wars and using that $ for social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising min wage. 3) In a few states, parties must have had presidential candidates in previous elections to be able to present local candidates. So no, JiII is NOT A GRIFTER, the GP chose her to represent them in this year (by vote). 4) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor donations from interest lobbies and from companies, so the campaigns are more modest (and "demure") :) 3) Endorsements: Regarding David Duke, JiII REJECTED it on the same day. JiII is endorsed by the AbandonHarris group and the economist Jeffrey Sachs. 4) Using the Elections specialist lawyer or consulting firm that Trump used: aren't they allowed to work for any politician ever? 5) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number 4). 6) JiII isn't "taking votes away" from anyone, ADULTS are voting for her, specially because main party candidates support you-know-what. 7) The whole connections to Russia is ludicrous by now, but in case you are still wondering about the 2015 photo with Piutihn, the whole issue was investigated and JiII was EXONERATED. See Mueller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019. It was an ok video, but not so impartial, as it left these small "little things" out. Have a good day.
And btw, you are a liberal because you support reforming the system from the inside. And that is totally fine. But as far as I am concerned, "Leftist" usually means someone who supports some kind of socialist revolution (destroying the system). I'm not being a left wing purist, but I do think it is important to make this distinction.
Even if Jill Stein was not a grifter, is it more moral to risk a fascist Trump presidency or to vote for the establishment for now and further build progressive momentum for the 2028 election while we can at least vote? Like, it is the objectively moral stance from a moral standpoint of minimizing suffering.
Momentum and Green Party are opposite concepts. The Greens peaked in 2000 and never recovered. They're splintered into factions now and totally ineffective, without organization, local officials, anything.
Harris is also a fascist tho, she's quite literally killing hundernds of thousands of Palestinians, but I guess fascism is only important when it happens to westerns
To me, the idea that these 3rd party candidates being placed on the ballot will cause people to vote for them and deter votes from the Democratic Party is ridiculous. If you’re willing to commit to voting third party because of whatever grievance you have with the other two parties, then you’re willing to write them in. The presence of their names makes ZERO difference.
16:14 math was already math’d though. It’s been confirmed that stein voters wouldn’t have tipped the scales to Hillary and many of those voters likely would’ve just stayed at home
How nice of the ballot to not inform you how government works. The person you vote for appoints countless government officials, and you’d best believe the majority of those appointments will match the color of the candidate doing the appointing. The Presidency is far more than the man or woman who sits at the Resolute desk.
"No matter who" sounds so MAGA. So blind. No accountability. They don't have to earn your vote. They can do anything, even genocide, and you'll still vote for them. So why should they ever listen to you on any issue then?
She is a Russian Asset and always has been, in addition to being a complete fraud. She will NEVER be elected to any office, and anyone who thinks they are delivering a message, other than they are a very low IQ voter, is delusional. Any vote for Joke Stein is a vote for Trump and Trump loves her for this.
One photograph of a dinner table at a world conference Jill was a guest speaker at. She didn’t do the table assignments. She didn’t speak to Putin or Flynn, they were across the table from her. One photo and she spent 3 years being investigated for the lies that were spun. And guess what. She was completely exonerated. Keep up.
In Missouri, please vote no on Amendment 7! We want ranked choice voting!! Also yes on Amendment 3 if you care about reproductive rights!! We have a lot going on in our state!!
Can someone explain to me what the h3ll is happening the last week-ish in this country? All of a sudden, every comments section on every form of social media is absolutely FLOODED with pro-Trump and (pervasively sexist) anti-Harris comments.
If we truly want to dramatically shift the American political landscape, it would require a grassroots movement advocating for an overhaul of our election system, not voting for Jill Stein. Establishing a national holiday for voting would be a good first step.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq A blatant, absurd lie, and nothing more. Stein has *exactly zero* chance to make *any* kind of change - and clearly she's not interested in even trying to bring about that change, since she does *nothing* to advance any such change. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Donald Trump (and his pals like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
That isn't going to happen with a Democrat candidate either. Look at how the party consistently sabotages progressive candidates like Bernie and Jamal Bowman. The change that is needed must come from the organizing, striking and solidarity of ordinary citizens outside of government.
She didn't run in 2020 and wasn't going to run in 2024 either, but Cornel W. decided to go as an indepent and JiII had to step in - they VOTED for her, by the way.
You've channeled a lot of the frustration I have with the Left as someone on the Left. We regularly do not want to treat American politics as it is, preferring to treat it like we would like it to be. I voted for Jill Stein in 2016. I didn't end up feeling morally superior, or feeling like I sent the Democrats a message, and I will never do that again.
In 2017 I met her and expressed my concern's about Trump. She just basically shrugged it off saying that if he were to win we would just have to learn from it'. She really doesn't care at all about our country.
@@xix-19 don't gamble on the lives of their victims, and the many, many other communities that need the red party defeated. Don't pick the extremely unlikely idealistic option, just to feel better personally. I didn't sign up to be your gambling token.
She's not trying to run republican, she's going on right leaning platforms to cater to independents and undecideds, of which make up about 110 MILLION people.
@@uooooooooh And? Politics are inherently amoral. Dick Cheney is a dumpster fire of a human being, as well as a grifter, but when the shitheels of the opposition start moving away from someone who's gone too far, that does mean something. Please watch the alt right playbook. He describes the layers of alt-right indoctrination as layers of an onion. Some are comfortable at their layer and find people deeper than that layer to be fucking insane, others go deeper into the onion, ect.
As someone whos always been the proponent of "vote for who you think is best theres no such thing as a spoiler" jill stein could easily be the downfall of this country
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⚡There are so many rabbit holes to go down when it comes to Jill Stein and third party candidates--what did I miss and are you still gonna vote for her?
Yes I will
Happy nuptials and enjoy your honeymoon?
Didn't expect a video even though you announced it yesterday.
Cheers 🥂
If you live in a swing state please don't vote for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris because Trump is dangerous and must be stopped. A small number of votes for Jill Stein instead of Kamala Harris in the swing states could give Trump the presidency.
Leeja would you consider giving the Steven Donziger Chevron case a spotlight in a video?
How about arguing with yourself. Try both sidesisnm
Just wanted to say, im an ex-right winger, ex-trump supporter, and while I dont agree with you on everything, you have helped me move away from the right. Thank you
Right!!
I used to be a hardcore skin head. And well, The path of the radicalization and deprogramming are long ones. Not saying you were ever at that point, all I’m saying is it’s hard to adress and unlearn your prejudice and you should take pride in your progress :)
Good job
empathy can be taught 🫶🏼
@@pinetreesquad2375proud of u 🫶🏼❤️
@@pinetreesquad2375I am in the same boat. For about a year and a half I've been deprogramming from right wing indoctrination that warped me for over a decade. Leeja is certainly one influencer whose opinion I respect.
Vote yes for measure 117 if you live in Oregon to allow rank choice voting. We have some great organizers working on the ground here. So when you get your ballot please vote.
Yes!!!!!
Do it please!
Jill Stein worked for no labels in 2016 and has a picture with her and Vladimir Putin.
Thanks! I’m in Oregon. Haven’t gotten my ballot yet, but will be getting it soon.
@@marcosalvarez5712 there are also pictures of Obama and Putin. So?
"I'm not voting Harris to teach her a lesson" Buddy, Harris will be fine if Trump wins. It's the rest of us soaking in all the fallout. And we remember who brought us there the last time.
That's what kills me about the people in the comments going on about Cornel West and Jill Stein. OK, vote for them if you must, but I don't want to hear screeching from these said quarters when we're watching our families and neighbors get deported, women are forced to carry rapists fetuses to term and women can't get divorced because God said so. It's not going to be getting through another 4 years of Trump. It's going to be a completely new landscape for us. They're just trying to get him over the finish line to hand the baton to a 39 year old dictator in waiting. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
@@jenw9463 That's all happened under Dem administrations
I always find it dumb that these people who want change are willing to let a party that leans so far from their ideology win an election.
@@ZappBranniglenn To be fair look at big picture. Dems failed neo-liberal policies over decades allowed him to grow his wealth and exploit working class.
So ultimately Democrats gave us Trump. He was a Democrat for the longest time. Their policies obviously suited him and his economic class.
What about not voting for Harris because she's complicit in genocide and it still repeating dehumanizing lies that were proven false months ago?
As a leftist in another country, I really do feel bad for American leftists. It's times like this that I'm grateful to be a leftist in a parliamentary democracy and not a two-party oligarchy. I couldn't even imagine having to choose between two reprehensible right-wing candidates who would be considered a conservative and a fascist in most other developed countries.
Exactly. I'm voting for Stein for that reason. I refuse to vote for either right wing party.
@@LolaBgcps I can understand the arguments from both sides. On the one hand the US system is designed to force everyone to choose between two options and voting third party seems futile, but on the other hand voting for the "lesser of two evils" just creates a ratchet effect that pushes the Overton Window to the right. Shaming leftists for voting for Jill Stein and Cornel West seems like a stupid move by Democrats. If they wanted to win them over, they should try harder to put progressive interests ahead of Wall Street and the military industrial complex, but that isn't gonna happen anytime soon.
Biden is to the left of Keir Starmer lmao. Two-party oligarchy sounds like an American leftist wrote this.
@@LolaBgcps Naaah, you are willing to throw your vote away in support of Trump. A vote for Trump is indeed a vote for Putin.
Lmao idk where you live but I'm 35 and this was the first year I got to vote for who I wanted to vote for because I had a candidate in my area. It is not democratic in the UK.
If Jill Stein was serious about ending the two party system, she would be advocating for better election methods instead of reappearing every 4 years to make a futile run for president.
People have been advocating for better election methods since before Jill was born. It's not working. Dems and Repubs are never going to change what's working for them. It needs to start with us on the outside. I'm kinda of hoping Trump will win to get all you talkers off of your couch and into the streets. And start supporting better candidates instead of being fear mongered into believing we're stuck with this system.
@@ChadAgain ballot measures exist
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Let me repeat this for those people in the back: Jill Stein is not going to be elected president. Like it or not, voting is a strategic choice in US politics. People will vote for the candidate who they think will do the best for them and has the best shot at winning. On the presidential level, a Dem or GOP candidate has every structural advantage in the book, plus reliable name recognition. You can't break the two party system from the top down. It's not gonna happen this year, or in 2028 or in 2032. If Jill Stein was really interested in shifting the two party dynamic, she'd be running as a Mayoral candidate. The green party should focus on municipal elections, then state house and Senate races, then gubernatorial or federal congressional seats. It would probably do a lot more good to have 8 third party senators than it would to throw away the effort trying to grab the presidency.
@@ChadAgain it will never start with president. Even if against all odds a third party candidate won, they would get absolutely nothing done as neither party in congress would work with them as it is against their interests. A third party that isn't building from local elections up isn't a serious party and it's members are just grifters.
Alaskans: please remember to Vote No on 2 so we can keep our Rank Choice Voting system!
You guys have Rank Choice Voting?
@@hectorvega621Yep, for now. Fingers crossed we keep it!
@@kyguy2016 Bro I misread that. I thought it said Arkansas, not Alaskans lol. But in all seriousness I hope you guys do keep it. Don't be like Massachusetts who voted against it.
Lol, its no surprise there is an effort to repeal it after it helped a Democrat win.
A major thing that annoys me about Jill Stein is that she is a professional presidential campaign runner. That is how she makes her money. That is her job. She really is not making any positive changes in anyone's life. It is just running for president that she does. Bottom line, she is a grifter.
she isnt just a grifter, she is just straight up an agent of the russian federation.
Is that a typo? Don't you mean ruiner?
Plenty of green party members have been elected over the years, I've also seen hundreds of people switch to green since Biden was a joke and Kamala is literally talking about putting Conservatives in power, they're a complete joke.
I can’t think of a single positive thing she’s ever done that she can actually claim credit for herself.
Its finally completed: ua-cam.com/video/I-LQhqlenOs/v-deo.html
Genuinely not looking to be combative: If someone like me who did NOT live in a swing state and is ENTIRELY opposed to genocide, fracking, and corporate special interests in politics (all of which Kamala explicitly supports) why should I not vote for the party that best represents my values? Again, I understand if I lived in Georgia or Pennsylvania why I would pick Kamala, but I don’t. So why should I still vote for her when she doesn’t represent what I want?
Exactly.
Agreed 10000%
Because Stein is a Russian plant who will never do a thing for you. Why do you think she is quick to denounce Harris and Netanyahu, but refuses to denounce Putin, even when confronted directly?
If you were at sea, and you have to choose between being eaten by a shark or being rescued by the boat of someone who goes against your values but is willing to rescue you, would you honestly pick the shark?
Its called "survival."
@@BadgerCheese94 But that scenario is a false binary you are pretending represents the voting decision. I live in California. The result is predetermined. No matter who I vote for, Kamala will win, so I should actually do the non-idiotic thing and vote for the candidate that represents what I want, which is what everyone else should be doing anyway
If the Green Party is serious, why don’t they try and grab seats at the state level, then federal? That’s more feasible than the presidency.
Yep. That's how the last successful 3rd party did it. You might have heard of them. They are called the Republicans. Their candidate is choice? Heard of him, too.... Abraham Lincoln. A pity their big business, anti-immigrant wing that was present from the start won after they kicked out their last great Progressive. You know him too ... Teddy Roosevelt. (Though he was a racist, misogynistic sob.)
they do try and win seats but it is no easier when people make the same arguments that only 2 parties are options.
@@catkin-z8gno, the Libertarian party actually tries. The Green party throws people at the wall and hopes they stick.
Because the Green Party is really the Red party 🇷🇺🪆
@catkin-z8g
This is fucking bullshit. There are already 2 indipendent elected senators, to make an example.
They could definitely find some places where they could habe chances, invest in someone to run, and they would inevitably get some seats, which is something they must do if they are serious about doing anything
But they don't even try. Stein is literally payed by Russia (there is ton of proof she even has ties with putin, btw) to sway votes away from the dems
If she was serious, she would do ANYTHING between presidential races. The green party not only never gained anything, they even lost a lot of supporters (lucky, since they are just a bs party)
Jill Stein does nothing for four years, pops up like a Spirit Halloween to take donations for campaign money, then disappears like it's November 1st after she loses.
Hey, that's insulting.
Spirit Halloween donates to LeBonheur Children's Hospital. They actually benefit society
She didn’t even want to run. But the she was the Green Party’s best option. Do your research
THANK YOU!!!
Thankyou for also offering a more neutral comparison than the cicada one I've seen, that gets deflected as a Jewish microaggression rather than actually engaging with our point of how she is exploitatively seasonal. Like, I believe in the idea of "ok I'll listen, avoid that, and find a better comparison/word to use so you'll engage with my point"
And I promise, I would love to have what she offers. But she isn't offering realistic ways to deliver it, and our humanitarian needs are being dangled in front of us to leverage us for clout, for an outcome that is plain incompatible with the two party voting system.
No matter how idealistic, *we are not getting a majority of the country to vote for her, they simply ideologically won't*
This voting system isn't going to fix the problem, it will actually determine the environment WE will be fixing the problem within, politicians will fail us under this system. it is OUR work that does it, and we need to vote for maximum odds to prevent outright criminality of our ability to fight back. Not vote for a politician who claims she'll fix it for us.
Does she disappear or you just not paying attention at what she and the rest of the party are doing?
Jill’s paid for the release of a Jan 6th rioter, and has literally received money from Russia. She’s the epitome of a grifter. This is coming from someone who wholeheartedly supports Palestine and Lebanon in their fight for existence against apartheid Israel.
TBH the Pro-Palestine movement has become overrun in recent months by grifters and closet anti-semites. The original message has been lost in exchange of bloodlust, racism and greed
If you support Palestine who are you voting for? or are you not voting?
@@coppermoth6069By voting for Jill, she poses a threat towards Ukraine. By not voting for her, the others pose a threat towards Palestine.
@@coppermoth6069 You vote for Harris and protest like mad the day AFTER the election and not a second earlier.
@@coppermoth6069you should vote for Kamala because based on trumps rhetoric he’d be worse, because Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and because throwing minorities at home and our allies around the world under the bus isn’t going to solve anything.
I agree with most of your points but to assume that Nader or Stein voters would have automatically voted for Gore or Clinton has no basis in fact. Many third party voters would rather not vote at all out of principle as they aren’t governed by fear and the lesser of two evils mentality. Would a percentage of third party hold their noses and vote for an establishment candidate? Yes, a percentage would but most would not. If the Democrats would return to being the party of FDR instead of Clinton/Obama, they would rarely lose. I hope Harris isn’t an Obama 2.0 disappointment setting us up for the next fascist.
Funny that you mention FDR when he was the guy who put Japanese Americans (and let's be honest, probably anyone who looked Asian anyways) into concentration camps.
people can vote for whomever they want. Just remember, if 45 becomes 47, those same Project 2025 fascist rules will affect them as negatively as they would Harris voters. 45 is not going to care that they were green party voters. Look at how he left his own supporters out in the desert in the heat in Coachella in California a couple of weeks ago. I didn't even hear him apologize for it.
Exactly, even with a transfer of 100% of the votes, which is impossible, the Democrats' victories would still be doubtful. In 2016, the Democrats had a better candidate with a better chance of winning, but they chose to blatantly rig the primaries, alienating a large portion of their voters and then blaming Stein for being idiots.
Democratic politicians have a habit of kicking their voters in the face and then blaming someone else for not getting the votes.
And besides, in the last 2 elections (and probably more) we lost because of abstension. More people did not vote, than people voted for the reds or the blues, let alone a 3rd party candidate.
Also important: LOOK HOW POPULAR TRUMP IS IN ISRAEL! They love Trump in Israel! He's more popular there than here and more than Netanyahu! "Punishing" Kamala could result in awarding Israel with the US President they want!
To be honest it's not that hard to be more popular than Netanyahu, pretty much everyone in Israel hates him
@@ResplendentTrash I’m confused it’s bad that bibi wants trump…so why does Harris practically all but state she’ll continue Biden’s sugar daddy habits and will always support Israel? Wouldn’t that be bad that Harris supports someone that likes trump?
There's a whole ass settlement named trump heights and he relocated the us embassy to Jerusalem
They also love our proud Zio president... The current one, y'know.
@@ASierra08 Biden didn't move it back.
I swear I saw leftists call Angela Davis a Zionist after she endorsed Harris.
There’s an analogy that gets used in UK politics, elections are like buses, you’re just looking for the one going closest to where you want to go, Stein and Trump’s buses go to the same place.
Kamala and Trumps buses are also going to the same place
How'd that work out with you, with your right-wing labour government?
@@uooooooooh I'm not British, but from where I'm sitting, I'd say far better than the Truss government.
@@uooooooooh the British Labour Party is still further to the left than the DNC unfortunately.
@@coppermoth6069 If Harris is elected there will be an election in 2028, are you absolutely sure that’s true for Trump.
Back in 2016 I made the mistake of voting for Stein. My rationale was that while I knew she couldn't win, the unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote, and they both just disappeared after the election was over.
Since then it's become so much more agonizingly obvious how much of a grifter Jill is and I feel like I got suckered. There's no grassroots organizing from the greens, no state or local government campaigns, just vain presidential runs every 4 years.
While Clinton was still a widely unpopular candidate, to say she would have been as bad as Trump is just factually wrong. Roe V Wade would still be the law of the land. The pandemic would not have ravaged the US nearly as badly.
Learned my lesson. Voted Biden in 2020 and Kamala this year. I can't stomach the thought of young girls in this country being at risk of growing up with even fewer rights than their grandmothers had.
"The unpopularity of both Clinton & Trump could hopefully lead to America getting more serious about 3rd parties. However, both Stein & Johnson barely scraped anywhere near a decent margin of the vote." The mistake wasn't by you; it was by the voters who chickened out and stayed loyal to the Duopoly.
@@Blaqjaqshellaqoh please, you must be 14
@@Blaqjaqshellaq That's not how it works, jfc. The US uses First Past the Post, and that system effectively mathematically guarantees a two-party system.
If you want SYSTEMIC change, you need to change the system. Wasting your vote to empower the candidate you like THE LEAST will *absolutely never* bring about the change you claim to want.
Trump getting elected *will not* somehow empower (grifters like) Jill Stein, or w/e.
The least they could have done was vote for Bernie. And yet people apparently have amnesia about how the democrat party consistently sabotage progressive candidates.
Exactly. I'm voting with young women in mind.
I understand the 3rd party not working idea, but we already tried to push biden left and it didnt work, it certainly will not work for kamala.
Thank you.
they’re not the same people! kamala has ALWAYS had more progressive policies than Biden. and Biden is way more pro-union and more progressive than ALL of the last 8-10 democrat presidents. he’s just become a giant hypocrite & a supporter of genocide, which will forever tarnish that reputation of progressiveness.
Right-leaning “democrats” prevented Biden’s larger progressive agenda - and he unfortunately is ideologically committed to Israel. He started as the most progressive President in American history, and got stymied, so she adapted. Unfortunate reality.
committing genocide should have electoral consequences, but also i want my trans loved ones to have rights and medical care. that's where we're at.
I have a trans kid and I 100% agree with you. I don’t want to vote for Kamala but my kids rights are at stake. Don’t you love our shitty system.
@@musicman9945 That's why so many people are voting 3rd party, if any third party reaches 5% POPULAR votes, they get automatic access to ballots in 2028, federal and state funds and participating in national debates. Imagine having someone with ordinary common sense in presidential debates.
@@musicman9945I mean a thorough review of the evidence suggests she's the single least bad option with regard to the genocide specifically, and has been attempting repeatedly to communicate her intention to go significantly left of Biden on Israel/Palestine without publicly opposing the party line. That includes third party sources repeatedly affirming that she's actively, ideologically anti-genocide.
She's not a leftist, but she is a progressive Dem currently being kept on a very tight leash by Biden's team. All of us on the left should be taking advantage of the fact that she's willing and able to lie to centrists and conservatives to get their votes before stepping leftward into socdem territory, because based on literally everything (past history, leaked info, "leaked" info), that is exactly what she's doing.
I mean she said point blank the other day that there should be a national database of police misconduct to stop bad cops from skipping town to get reinstated elsewhere. That's the furthest left statement made in American presidential politics since Bernie. I think she might actually just be ideologically committed to the idea of upholding humanitarian legal standards regardless of context, because she has the same positions on criminal justice and LGBTQ+ rights.
Gaza children are being killed and you are worried about a small percentage of Americans being offended. You seem unethical.
@@musicman9945Vote 3rd party.
100% grifter. She just pops up 3 months until election to say she's running and siphon donations. At least the PSL candidate Claudia De La Cruz has been running a grassroots campaign for over a year.
Too bad she isn't available to vote for in my state. I would in a heart beat. Jill Stein is just a moocher
@@mr.dirtydan3338 I thought the same until I checked and saw that she had "official write-in" status in my state. Pretty compelling if you live in a red state like me and want to vote your conscience for once.
De La Cruz is getting my vote
@@kalexander1981 thanks for the heads up. I will absolutely check into it
She’s friends with Putin, so you know she’s evil as evil comes.
Jill Stein is NOT 'far left'.
Honestly I think she's either a centrist that pretends to be a leftist or is a tankie with how she sucks up to putin.
In Europe she would be center-left 😂
Americans thinking the most mild social democrat being on the same level with Joesph Stalin
@@JessicaDainese america thinks genocide is left wing lately 😕
She's not even left or center. She repeats Putin's talking points. She's a spoiler just like the brain-worms guy and she knows how to make herself useful to the far right by pretending to be on the left.
In 2015, Jill Stein was at a dinner in Moscow with Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin. What was discussed at this dinner Ms. Stein?
I saw that photo. And it wasn't AI either.
It was actually a conference with pre assigned seating. There were no translators present nor was there any point where Stein was able to speak with Putin personallu
@@jensjwhah What exactly are you saying? That her sitting there was not intentional, and that someone else assigned her to sit at the table with him? If that's what you're saying, I'm asking that you don't try and gaslight us. ok?
@@RandaWise yes. If you look it up, she addressed it in an interview with pictures of the seating chart
@@jensjwhah What? Vladimir Putin knows how to speak English.
If she wasn't a grifter, she'd be working towards bettering the party every month -- not just during campaign season. The fact that her party is imploding and that the ONLY time she does anything is when running for the highest office is proof that she isn't serious about it. She should be doing the work, not just jumping in at the eleventh hour and claiming she has any experience with policy.
She is working towards bettering the party every month
Absolutely. She's there to feed her ego. Oh, and she's met with Putin in Russia, so she's probably getting some major money from their oligarchs.
@@KriZtiaN17VL
No she's not. This is just you giving lip service so that when Trump gets in you don't feel culpable.
If you vote 3rd party and Trump gets in again, knowing everything we know it's 100% the fault of everyone who didn't vote Harris.
@@KriZtiaN17VL These battered liberals are not going to listen to reality, mate.
Leeja is being dishonest by highlighting David Duke's support of Jill Stein. He could've come out in favor of Chase Oliver from the Libertarian Party that is also anti-war, but clearly he chose Stein to make her look bad by association. The Republican base didn't come out in huge numbers for McCain and Romney. Ron Paul was their equivalent of Bernie Sanders. So the Republican Party shifted to the right and gave them Trump. This is an example of how withholding support can shift a party's positions. The Democrats have shifted to the right starting with Bill Clinton. So there's something to be said about Trotsky's observation that fascism is a reaction to capitalism in crisis. Harris winning will lead to a more extreme Republican running in 2028 and the Democrats will still be the same. If anything, they will also become more right-wing (just watch Harris' DNC speech). Imagine Gavin Newsom vs JD Vance 2028, because that's what you're getting.
No politician is coming to save Gaza.
We know that I am not voting for president at all down ballot is way more important than
She would if people would vote for her. But people seem to prefer voting for genocide while telling themselves that they had no choice.
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir Ie. you're boosting Trump, who is Netanyahu's pal and extremely pro-Israel and anti-Muslim (and anti-Palestine).
Now, if you hate, or don't give a crap about Palestinians, that's fine - although you're also voting for a disaster in the US (domestic chaos, destroying government institutions, an authoritarian power grab, economic turmoil etc.) and the world at large (complete victory for Netanyahu in Palestine, selling off Ukraine to Putin, empowering the likes of Orban and other dictators, etc.).
And no Gazan is coming to save our Democracy.
So, I'm voting Blue.
@@77CreationK. There is quite a few Palestinians living in the US and voting in this election
Jill also seems to be a bad doctor too. In 2016 i remember her trying to appeal to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule and/or recommending to just take half of them. Which to me, as a biolgist, is like finding a halfway point between sanity and insanity. Its like saying "Drinking this entire bottle of bleach would be crazy....so I'll just drink half of it". Thats Jill Stein.
And apparently people want to say she's a good third party choice. I feel like every time she's talked about or shows up, it just adds to another list of reasons as to why I shouldn't like her at all. America deserves a real third party that isn't a complete joke.
@@chrisnotpratt1903 Yes, a lot of my left wing progressive Friends in liberal cities like Chicago are unfortunately safeguarded by the state they live in And Feel that by voting third party they're really making a difference. Their state is going to be blue anyway, they're privileged enough to not really see the effects that their choices can make on the whole country. It's easy enough to just say the right thing like Jill does, but it's obvious that she has no idea what she means by what she says. In recent years I've became much more of a theoretical communist, but in practice I'm more of a social Democrat Because obviously this world isn't ready to work together yet, but that has only come through years of reading left-wing literature and getting involved with community outreach to understand a balance, not just showing up every 4 years to spew poetry like Jill
Shiva Ayyadurai has knowledge of eastern traditions. He spoke out at the critical time in 2020 when Stein was nowhere to be seen. Spacing out and taking fewer could be better but zero is the only way to not poison them.
Wouldn't appealing to anti-vaxxers by promoting a spaced out vaccination schedule or recommending to just take half of vaccines be reason for the AMA to take away her license to practice medicine? 🤔
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 I don't think so, because she said it in passing while campaigning, not offering it as legitimate medical advice to patients. She was careful not to really go on a tirade about those kinds of things, but she pushed those conspiracies just enough, which, for people with low IQs, is enough for them to believe it.
A thought: Stein refused Duke's endorsement, yes...But in 2016 she quite famously pointed out that it didn't matter if Hillary rejected endorsements she got because those bad, bad people still gave them to her. So...Yeah. :) Maybe Leeja talks about that later, but it seems she wrapped that part up, so I just wanted to say it.
For anyone that adores Jill Stein, answer me this, Why does Stein only campaign when a Dem is the president versus when a republican is president? If she is against the two parties, wouldn't she do this for both parties and not just one?
why is she hanging out with Putin and Flynn? how is it she think she can run for president and not know how many representatives we have? I have a lot of questions.
she cant afford it because she doesn’t take super pac money like the reps & dems
@@intuitionz1198ugh I've pointed out thr putin thing so many times and so many people are like "putin isn't that bad actually 🤓" it's embarrassing. Pro steiners don't have anything to stand on but they still do it anyways, they can't be reasoned with
She's against both parties. Also democrats are terrible and need competition.
If dems are against Trump why do they talk about Stein and not Dr Shiva who could take votes from Trump.
I've been following this election extensively as a Canadian. I keep vacillating in between cautious hopeful optimism and annoyingly cynical pessimism. The amount of holier than thou, 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' rhetoric from enlightened centrists and leftists is infuriating. Only one candidate is hell bent on dismantling every institution and consolidating power amongst themselves and their closest sect of advisors. If they win, there is a very real chance you will never get another say again. The fact that this election is effectively a dead heat is astounding.
Ditto, from Austria.
And yet, Democrats aren't making much effort to earn those peoples votes, no they'd rather loose than do what most of their own voters want. It's not voters that need to get their act together, it's Democrats.
As a fellow Canadian, I share your frustrations
As an American that's exactly what I scream into my pillow at night. And as an American let me apologize to our lovely northern neighbors. We're working on it. I swear.
@@c.michellesparks2925 it's not your or any sensible American's fault that have the country worships a tapioca-brained fascist.
Full disclosure: I have voted 3rd Party, I have voted for Jill Stein. I have even run for office 3trd Party. I usually vote 3rd Party if there is one on the ballot and I believe we would have a stronger democracy if everything did not always collapse into two parties.
That said, I will add that I voted for Biden in 2020 and will vote for Harris this year despite living in one of the safest blue states because I wanted and now want Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump not merely to be defeated in the electoral vote, but to be crushed in the popular vote. I want Johnson-Goldwater levels. I want Nixon-McGovern levels. I won't get it, but I will do my tiny bit toward making it happen.
With that said, my answer to the question "grifter or savior" is "neither." No candidate is a "savior" and if it's a grift, it's a damn lame one.
Two final observations: It's become almost traditional, in the event of any close election at any level, to as election day approaches set up third parties as an excuse for losing, the better to avoid addressing your own failures. If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns. Condescension and scolding will not help you. (As an example, even at this late date, were Harris to break with Biden on Gaza it would likely net her several points.)
And two, as a member of the Green Party I don't know that I would have voted for Stein anyway. This is her third run and I think she has become too equated with the party in the general public's mind; that is, people think "Green Party=Jill Stein=Green Party." We need new faces.
She didn't run in 2020 and she didn't want to run this year. She stepped up after Cornel West bailed.
I think getting Greens past 5% so they can be at the debates, have ballot access and federal matching funds is a lot more constructive than making Trump feel bad.
Genocide is such an obvious red line, I can't understand how insignificant it appears to be to so many people.
True. I think of the Green Party as being a vehicle for her massive ego and as a spoiler to aid the far right. When the Green Party starts working at a grass-roots level (the puns write themselves) for progressive change, I'll take them seriously.
@@TheAureliac The Green party has won over 1500 local elections. You just don't hear about it on the corporate media because corporate media only cover corporate sellouts. Greens don't take corporate $, nor AIPAC $. They have a tiny fraction of the billion $ that Dems raise every election. Dems make empty promises like codifying Roe every election, then choose to fail once in office. Dems are the grifters, not Greens.
Jill Stein didn't run last election, and she didn't want to run this year either. She only stepped up this time because Cornel West bailed. You ignorantly parrot the smear that she runs for ego, but that's just empty propaganda by a corrupt Dem party that is afraid of honest competition. If Dems weren't so corrupt, we wouldn't need a Green party.
@@TheAureliac I don't intend to go on with this, so know that I will read any reply but don't be offended if I don't respond further. That said, three things:
I'm always amused by accusations of "massive ego" directed against candidates. We know Trump has a big ego, but are we to think that Harris doesn't? Do you really think anyone could undertake running for president with the intention of winning or even, for 3rd Party candidates, being taken seriously without a big ego? Really?
Next, I call BS on the "spoiler to aid the far right." That's the same old same old "You're just helping the other side" with an accusation of conscious intent added to the standard one of effect.
Finally, the GP has worked and does work on the local level. But first, any office below House of Representatives is unlikely to get any non-local news coverage so you wouldn't hear about it, second, many local elections are non-partisan, so a GP member could win but wouldn't be identified that way, and third, where they are partisan, 3rdParty candidates get the same "you're helping the other side" that they get in non-local elections.
Indeed, because the GP is so small, it's impact, like 3td Parties generally, will be seen mostly on the local level - the school board turned away from banning books here, the underserved community getting its sewers improved there - while presidential campaigns serve mostly as advertisement for the party.
Which brings me back to an earlier point: "If those 3rd Party voters are important to you, address their concerns." If you fail and lose an election as a result, you have yourself to blame, not them. Bluntly, the prospect of a Donald "Tweetie-pie" Trump victory is not Jill Stein's fault, it's the Democrats'.
@@whoviating No it is the Republican's own fault they still have Trump the DEMENTED. (They simply refuse to let the sick old man retire...they want the SECOND COMING!!! or some other CREEPY RELIGIOUS THING to SAVE their way of "half-dead life" circa year ZERO. You know turn off the power and live as primitive as you can as the Lord decreed - as the book says.) Hence their extreme pro-Isreal stance. etc.
I agree that Trump is far and away worse than Kamala. But I would summarize what she said as, "The two party system sucks but I'm going to do my part to perpetuate it by continuing to vote for one of the two major parties."
Nope. We're buying the time that is realistically needed to actually change the fact, rather than expecting it to be changed extremely quickly.
If you like the ability to freely worship religions other than Christianity, you shouldn’t waste your vote on Jill Stein. The irony of a lot Stein supporters saying “no more genocide”, “free Palestine” “no more wars”, etc. When You know the MAGA nuts want to make us a Christian nation. Its ludicrous.
What I find very ironic, is that Jill Stein supporters always ignore the fact that she said we shouldn't get involved with foreign conflicts, when she was discussing Ukraine. I don't like her hypocrisy about foreign affairs and her apparently close ties to Putin, who also supports Palestine (though that could either mean supporting Hamas, actually being concerned for the people, or just wanting to be the complete opposite of the United States). I'm pretty sure she's also an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist, but I don't know too much about that.
@@chrisnotpratt1903 She has no close ties to Putin. That’s a lie. Also what hypocrisy? She says in both case. We shouldn’t be involved nor funding.
@@Cuccamonga-vn2jm So you expect us to believe Korrupt Kapitalist Kamala who ultimately can justify and give cover to a genocide by religious extremists (Zionists) won’t do the same for our domestic religious extremists?
No reason to trust her not establishment democrats to do as they said. Rather put my time and effort into actual resistance. Not some political party that keeps compromising with fascism.
@chrisnotpratt1903 yeah, she once spread weird pro Russian bs about thr genocide in Syria in 2016. I don't for a minute believe she's actually supportive if palestine, all for one genocide but against one? Yeah right, i smell those Rubels in that pocket of hers
Heck, as Christian pastor who was part of a denomination that sued the last Trump administration over its decision to interfere in women's reproductive choice and the requirements to provide equal accommodations to LGBTQIA/2S folx, if you want the right to participate in non-white Christian nationalist versions of Christianity don't vote for Jill Stein.
One big detail you’re leaving out is most states don’t allow ballot access in local elections unless your party ran a presidential campaign
She can run to fulfill that requirement, but it doesn't mean we have to vote for her for the requirement to be met?.
@@corinneobrien6196 they have to win a certain number or percentage of votes depending on the state
@@ladygrey4113 ok we’ll still not worth it
@@corinneobrien6196 oh fascinating when goal posts walk, “the greens should focus on local elections, wait they can’t because they have to run presidential campaigns to even run local ones? Well that makes no difference anyway harrumph!”
@@corinneobrien6196definitely worth it to me
I'm from the UK and watch your videos to stay updated with US politics. I'm also a member of the Green Party here, who places a huge focus on local politics, which I think is why we went from 1 Green MP to 4 in the last GE. It's a shame to see Jill Stein's Green Party is not making the same effort. Thank you for educating me, and fingers crossed for the best outcome in the election in November 🤞
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
Relying on commentators like Leejah Miller is misguided due to her liberal leanings. Her collaboration with Marie Soledad, a self-proclaimed leftist, falls short, particularly as Soledad faces backlash from actual leftists, especially Black leftists. The controversy started when Soledad defended a Black liberal who accused white leftist Madeline Pendleton of being anti-Black for criticizing Democrats. This stemmed from Pendleton’s video exposing liberal creators who accepted undisclosed funds funneled through companies connected to the Democratic Party. When Pendleton criticized Democrats, a Black liberal redirected the discussion, implying that her critique ignored Black voters who support the party, which led to accusations of racism. This incident exposed how Black liberals weaponize accusations of anti-Blackness to silence non-Black leftists. Black leftists, including myself, see this tactic as an attempt to reduce complex political critiques to identity politics, thereby sidelining the radical perspectives long upheld in our community. Figures like Soledad deploy this identity reductionism to shield the Democratic Party from substantive critique, ignoring why so many leftists and marginalized groups are shifting toward the Green Party. This shift isn’t driven by misinformation but by Democrats consistently alienating key voting blocs, including Muslim voters, through their political strategies and efforts to undermine the Green Party. Kamala Harris’s pandering to conservatives only deepens this divide. Leftists aren’t being "grifted" into voting Green. Many of us have drawn firm lines as Democrats continue to allow Netanyahu to cross every red line without consequences. This, alongside the Democrats’ empty post-election promises, like the uncertain arms embargo deal, has deepened disillusionment with the party. Videos like Miller’s entirely miss the point, reducing Green Party supporters to manipulated voters while ignoring the principled stances many have taken against Democrats’ harmful political strategies.
They are. But the US is way different than the UK. If you understood the barriers on place here you wouldn’t say this,
No to Trump!
It's really frustrating seeing her take advantage of people's anger to grift
She is not taking advantage, she speaks what the democrats won't say
The left can't win. If Bernie Sanders runs for the Democrat nomination, he's a grifter who should have run on a third-party ticket; if Jill Stein runs on a third-party ticket, she's a grifter who should have run for the Democrat nomination!
Who do you think are the real grifters, the Greens who don't take any corporate $ or AIPAC $ and have about 5 million this election, or the Dems raise a billion $ every election and do the bidding of Wall Street, fossil fuel, and the war machine?
@@TihetrisWeathersby then why aren’t the democrats doing anything to win those angry voters back instead of clapping about winning one of George w bush’s torture program writers, and not getting into a pissing contest about who’s going to be tougher on the border?
@@KriZtiaN17VL Ie. she's grifting the way Trump grifts: just say what the people want to hear.
Stein is absolutely unqualified, and has exactly ZERO chance to make any kind of change, and voting for her is voting for Donald Trump (and his pals, like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
bruh they let her sit at a table 6 feet away from Putin 😂😂😂
FSB been signing her checks for over a decade now
and across the table from her was General Michael Flynn, a Christo-fascist working with Trump.
She's never received $ from Russia. She paid her own way to that conference, where all she did was speak up for peace. She criticized Putin's militarism along with US militarism. She was investigated for 3 years based on that stupid photo, and they found no wrongdoing at all. You're a victim of propaganda.
Genious, don't you think she had been trialed fort treason if that was the case?
She was investigated and EXONERATED by the Sen. Intel , see Muller Report on Freign Interference, volume III, published by the Sen. in 2019.
@@samf.s.7731 "She sat near a dictator who has imperialist and expansionist ambitions! And?! I don't see how that matters!
Anyway, Isreal should stop that in Gaza, is bad!
Dear American Left. Just stop.
True. I don't know why people don't see that. They're busy wanting to "punish" the dems, so they vote against their real interest.
i dislike leeja because her argument always boils down to get over it and vote dem no matter what, but if i wanted to hear that i could just turn on MSNBC and get a less intelligible version in a shorter time.
It's mostly because people just stop engaging with politics when it isn't an election year.
When it's an election year and suddenly there are two lesser evils it's because people that support people like Jill don't do anything to get her in talks and popular enough to actually be decent in the running.
I think Bernie in 2016 or arguably 2020 are the only good examples of 3rd party support in a major election. The issue is no one complaining about the two parties always being the only option ever does anything so it always becomes that.
Complaining about it when the race has started means you're already too late and now due to that complacency these are your options.
Are you completely unfamiliar with Donald Trump?
@~13:00, "Trump winning isn't punishment for the Democrats, it's punishment for millions of working and oppressed people."
As important as this election is, why aren't Harris and the Dems trying harder to win? Why would Harris risk another Trump presidency instead of giving up the money from AIPAC?
She's willing to let that happen just for some money, and you want people to vote for her?
Tighten up.
Exactly, the voters are NOT to be blamed if Trump wins, why should I vote for a candidate which doesn’t represents me? It’s that simple, that’s what Democracy means, the democrats can’t keep winning forever therefore the blame goes to the system NOT to the voter!!
Spot on. For me the most infuriating thing about democrats is that Netanyahu and AIPAC are actually hoping and praying that they lose to Trump but yet they keep worshiping them. I have never sen anything like this in politics.
Exactly!
She is trying to to win. This is where leftists are delusional. The reality is that leftists ideas are unpopular. That is why leftist candidates almost always lose.
Kamala isn't supporting Israel because of money, she is doing it because most americans support Israel and Democrats would not even stand a chance of winning if they turned against Israel.
I just wish Harris would stop getting Trumpier to appeal to undecided centrists... like, I legit think a more winning strat would be going more toward the left and appealing to disillusioned working class voters who think voting is useless but may change their mind if Harris was a good enough candidate. But rn it seems like shes throwing it
I personally think someone's campaigning strat is just that, a strat to try and get as many votes as possible and nothing more. I did vote for her, but I also want to wait and see what she actually does with the presidency, if she actually gets it.
I apply this to any candidate regardless of party, whatever they say when campaigning and trying to gather votes may not by reflective of how they will actually conduct themselves in office. It may be a good way to gage their overall position, but not for much else.
@peggedyourdad9560 well yeah but my point is that she's shooting her own campaign in the foot by disillusioning voters instead of filling non voters with enough hope to vote. And look what happened...
Your vote is yours. Vote for who you want.
After the 2016 election, Jill Stein raised $7.3 million from hopeful Clinton voters to pay for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (under the false hope this might change the results) and claimed she was $100k short so that would come out of her own campaign's coffers. Then she failed to do the recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania and spent less than $1 million for a meaningless Wisconsin recount. The remaining $6+ million disappeared while the Stein campaign stopped filing monthly FEC reports from 2017-2018. THAT is where most of those FEC fines came from. When they did start finally report to the FEC again they claimed that all that money had been used to continue paying campaign staffers' salaries for nearly three years after the 2016 election was over. What this staff was doing to earn that salary - financed off of donations from Hillary supporters for a recount is beyond me. 🤷♀️ They clearly did absolutely nothing to promote any of her "causes." Explain to me how this ISN'T a massive grift.
I’m glad to hear you talk about local action to break out of the two party system. I talk about it every time someone brings up a third party vote.
Because you're repeating dnc, talking points, did Obama build up some kind of coalition? No, he was running against Hillary. The third Democrat was unknown. And only because people listened it to him. Did he gain the support to win? Listen to what Jill Stein has to say. This is believing the people in power. About what will or will not take away their power!?!?!?!
@LeejaMiller Thank you for this video btw. I just had to delete some apps because I couldn’t stop arguing with people about this very topic. It’s so validating to hear someone articulate clearly what I keep trying to get across.
Single issue voter here. I voted for Jill because I want new political parties. I live in CA so Harris didn’t need my vote (but I want her to win).
If corporate Democrats are afraid of Greens, they should try to earn Green votes, not limit voters’ choices even more.
Just more of the leftist* base in general. They keep pushing right to a base that will never entertain them if they think they're the same politician but with more taxes.
It has also been argued that those who might vote for West or Stein wouldn't vote at all otherwise. So it might not make a difference anyway.
That’s what I tell partisans when they try to say that voting third party/independent takes away votes from X and gives it to Y. I tell them “you can’t take a vote from someone who wasn’t going to vote for them in the first place”.
Your type of the most antidemocrat folx possible. You only want people to support your favorite candidate.
I'd agree... if Stein's campaign wasn't literally, "Abandon Harris," and has been launching smear campaigns against her.
I’ve seen this same argument against every third party candidate on both parties. Most people I talk to that support third parties do so because of the safety of their districts, and would not vote for their prospective “main” party candidate regardless. Whining about spoilers has never been as effective as adopting popular policy positions, for any party.
I agree. Obviously, those who criticize Jill Stein won’t criticize her policies. Democrats would rather lose the election than defy Israel.
Why do people think a vote for Jill stein means they would’ve voted for Kamala? Ever thought maybe people don’t like Biden or Kamala
That would require critical thinking
I think people assume those people are leftists who might understand the major threat to leftist values, the environment, and people’s ability to have their votes counted that a Trump presidency would result in, and might cast their votes based on that.
@@Afterflowers-v4k good thing biden's administration fixed the environment, voter suppression, and represents leftist values!
Nothing to do with liking. I don't like anyone who's running.
Folks protecting their ideological purity will have to live under Trump. I hope the ego boost was worth it.
The problem with the "They need to build up" strategy is...with what money? I went with Jill to get 5% so they get federal funding.
Congrats to your wedding Leeja🎉💕✨
Ok, as someone who is currently planning on voting green this election cycle, I will go ahead and say it with my chest like you asked. I don't think Jill Stein will win, I'm not voting for her to "punish" Harris, I still hope Harris wins this year, I wish I could vote green up and down the ticket, I will vote blue where green isnt an option. I live in a solid blue state, if I lived in a swing state or even a red state I would probably be voting Harris, if some news came forward that made me think my state could flip red I would probably change my vote to Harris. As of right now in a solid blue state where my vote changes nothing about the outcome of the election because of the way the electoral college is set up I feel like the best thing I can do with my otherwise insignificant vote is vote for the issues I want to see adressed. I wont be voting early just in case I need to swallow the bitter pill and vote for Harris to keep the fascist out of office but as of right now those are the reasons I intend to vote green.
Actually the only good pro green argument, i live in a red state and still vote blue or for the less extreme Republican. If you know who is gonna win, your vote still sends a message.
Hello Edson.
May I ask if you are you Brazilian or otherwise Portuguese-speaking? That beautiful name Edson is common in Brazil and some countries in Africa :)
There are some points I'd like to leave here for your consideration, that were not addressed on the video:
A) JiII has a goal of actual winning, she's not "just a tool". 5% popular vote will put a REAL LEFT PARTY seating at the table with the 2 main parties, as it could be in ballots in the next election, with better funded campaigns and participating in national debates with the 2 main parties.
B) "JiII is just a protest vote": not really. JiII and the GP have social plans, both for everybody and for minorities, that includes cutting expenditure in wars and using that money in social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising minimum wage.
C) In some states, parties are required to have had presidential candidates in the previous elections to be able to have local candidates.The Green Party voted for JiII.
D) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor funds from interest groups and mega corporations, so the campaigns aren't as flashy, with big rallies. But reaching 5% of popular vote would give the GP access to federal and state funds, automatic ballot access and participation in national debates. It would finally give a third party a chance to compete with the other 2 parties, and that's what many people want.
E) Endorsements: JiII is endorsed by Jeffrey Sachs and AbandonHarris. Regarding the KKK person, JiII never asked for it, and she REJECTED it on the same day.
F) Using a lawyer or firm that Trump used: so that lawyer that is specialized in Election Law shouldn't work for any other politician for the reswt of his life? And the consulting firm either?
G) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number D).
Also, these smearing videos are VOTER SUPRESSION to me!
Tem um bom dia!
Agreed ! You have some very good points! @@evasco1979
As a European I really think USA is screwed as far as credibility on a global level. Foreign policy is basically the same whether one or the other wins
It can be easy to fall into the all or nothing reform plans on the left, and these videos help me stay more grounded in my political aspirations. I'm planing to go into activism and politics and this channel was one of the first things that really pushed me down that path! Thanks for all you do Leeja!!!!
Aw yay I love that!!
How much of a demand for change was my vote for Nader? We got Cheney and Iraq and Guantanimo and waterboarding and no one cared about clean air. duh.
well yes they are democrats. they voted to go to Iraq based on an empty building being knocked down on live tv that had nothing to do with Iraq.this wasnt a surprise given Clinton had already been in Iraq in the 90s and was involved in more wars than any other president.
Gore might well have lost without Nader on the ballot, and he might well have succeeded with him. Scapegoating Nader has just made things worse!
In Florida, 24,000 Dems voted for Nader, while 300,000 Dems voted for Bush. Dems always blame anyone but themselves for their own failures. But they have a stranglehold on the media, so everyone just believes their lies.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq People always prefer to blame 3rd parties instead of assuming defeat of their 2 bigger parties' candidates!
@@evasco1979 The left used to know enough to blame the Democratic Party's electoral losses on their systematic shortcomings, and some still do. But when the "pragmatic" left did the DNC's dirty work, they sent the message "It's up to us to support you unanimously no matter how badly you let us down," which guaranteed worse letdowns!
First, I love your work, regular viewer. There were a number of points I found troubling. David Duke endorsed Stein and Stein denounced the endorsement. That's important especially since Kamala Harris gleefully accepted Dick Cheney's endorsement. Speaking of moving to the right and Alienating voters Al Gore chose Joe Lieberman as his vp. The same Joe who campaigned for John McCain and killed the public option. That's why Gore lost.
In the election of 1856 John Fremont ran against 2 establishment candidates and James Buchanan won but the momentum from Fremont gave Lincoln a better chance 4 years later.
The last minutes of the video I agree with. We are told democracy is a popularity contest every 4 years but what happens in the middle, the protests, and calls for a better democracy are of greater importance.
I may disagree here, but thank you for the work you do. It's important and informative.
Great point about the endorsements. Kamala is actively saying she is proud of the endorsements of the Cheneys. That’s a pretty concerning and might be a sign of what you are really going to get is she wins the presidency
The david duke thing to me seems like he is actually aware that his endorsement was used against trump last time and thinks this will prevent people using him against trump this time around and be more believable than him supporting any other candidate. or its some publicity stunt. I could be giving too much credit to someone who called themself "grand wizard" as a fully grown adult though. This isnt cope either im not a stein supporter and already voted against her
Thank You, Leeja for your clear voice on this matter. I am, in general, a big believer in the power of symbolic action but not when It can have such negative unintended (? presumably) consequences.
This video conveniently forgets that Cornel West was supposed to run Green, and he dropped out, leaving the party empty. Shameful to forget this.
Correct. Stein wasn't planning to run this time around, but was more or less FORCED to, because the Greens would lose their hard-won ballot line in future elections if they didn't have a candidate on the ballot for 2024. When West decided to drop the Greens and make an independent run, Dr. Stein was the only other choice the party had on such short notice.
If you want to be a lawyer and spin a story this is a good way. But she was not charitable to the greens at all.
I don’t think it’s by accident that was left out.
What gets me is that, I can give folks a pass on their naivete in 2016. But IDK how anyone who's old enough to have lived through the past 4-8 years would sincerely risk Trump getting back into office.
The loss of the SC alone, and the consequences that came from that, should be more than enough to have people reconsider if this election is the one to play around with. There's no leverage to be used against a party who have made clear they'll never let us have a seat at the table if they can help it.
I voted for Biden and it’s one of my deepest regrets in my life, I knew he had a horrible track record for death and destruction in the Middle East, when I voted for him I even commented how he would be better for my friends and family but worse for the rest of the world, and I was right… I wish there was a candidate who cared about everyone and wasn’t evil, and Jill Stein isn’t evil, but everyone is so dedicated to the two party system, that I know she won’t win. If everyone voted for a president they actually wanted to win, we wouldn’t be in this situation. I’ve never met a single person who sincerely liked Biden, they just didn’t want Trump, same with Kamala.
Dems could fix the Supreme Court right now if they wanted to.
@@coppermoth6069 I too wish the overall electoral system was better, but progress isn't made with perfect candidates and wishful thinking. Additionally, how can you confidently say "Jill Stein isn't evil," when she's never held office in a way that would push and challenge her convictions? The general logic to support her seems to be solely based on the fact that she's a 3rd party who says the right things, rather than how sincere she is as a person, much less how effective she'd be as a president.
She can't even rebuke Putin with her whole chest in the same way she does Netanyahu, but we're supposed to believe she's up to the task regarding foreign affairs?
But away from that, none of what you said refutes my core point: There is no moving forward with the kind of people who have made clear, on no uncertain terms, how much contempt they have for progressives and democracy.
I'll say one more time: This is NOT the election to play around with. The kicker is that breaking up the two-party system wont magically solve all our problems either. What good is an extra party while the EC stays in place (forget the quality of those extra parties)? Play the game pragmatically until you have the leverage to change the rules. Bernie, AOC, and others have long-since figured this out, and have proven it works.
@@coppermoth6069 she is evil to ukranians
@@coppermoth6069 There is no 2 party system. They are dedicated to wasting their vote in a 2 party strategy that helps the party they supposedly don't want. Biden was rolling out the red carpet for Trump to win in a land slide.
As a Seattleite from Sawant's former district it's THIS CRAP of her's I can't stand. By all means we're aligned politically but I personally voted to recall her because she is prone to doing destructive, performance based gimmicks at the cost of real progress. She is so self righteous to suggest sabotaging a Dem president just to make a point about a single issue.
Participating in the democratic process in a legal and professional manner is not sabotage
Destruc tive why? Performance why? You sound more like an ex or a disgruntled employee than a normal voter.
"Genocide" is a "single issue" to you? 🖕😐
@@evasco1979 if I sound exasperated it's because she liked pulling stunts and ranting rather than making effective change. Performative in that she, in one stunt, she leaked protected personal info on our past mayor during a protest she organized all in order to whip people into a frenzy. Destructive in that her behavior has poisoned the well for other democratic socialist from being able to mount a campaign even in Seattle's most liberal district.
Instead of being practical, working within a flawed system to then advocate for leftist change, as Leeja suggests, she wanted to cosplay being a revolutionary without actually insighting any change. And she's done this for years.
@@coppermoth6069 its absolutely sabotage through a legal voting system. Okay say she succeeds in having Michigan swing to Trump. Now what? Now we're further from the policies she claims to advocate for AND his administration will make it harder to even start. What's her grand plan here? Insight socialist revolution by letting the country swing to the right wing first?
The fact that this is even an argument shows the moral decay of the democratic party. No political party should ever blame third parties for theit loses it shows your party has done nothing to inspire their constituent.
Thank you for articulating much more succinctly than I have been when trying to explain to those who've told me they're thinking of voting for Jill Stein.
She has a right to run for office.
Absolutely!!! Plus democracy is about ideas. Problem is the present day Democrat Party has run out of ideas.
No sh*t, but that's not the argument being made.
@@kennet7837 She's a savior and I'm voting for her.
@@ricardodsavant2965 Okay, keep being delusional.
Of course she does. We have many rights we can exercise that happen to be a very bad idea for the world. She's a delusional narcissist and while I'm sure she genuinely believes otherwise is a wonderful assistant to Republicans with her insane logic and justifications for running while no one hears a damn thing from her the 3.5 years between elections. I was a registered Green many years ago, the US Green Party has their heads so far up their own asses they are a waste to support.
I honestly understand why people would want to vote for Jill Stein and I understand why people would criticize voting for Jill Stein. I do think that she needs to do more effort on the local level and she just shouldn't use people like pawns, but at the same time there are so many reasons why people are voting for Jill Stein. The people who don't want Trump or Kamala Harris are voting for her because they want to an advocate for Palestine and other issues. I do understand that this is a two-party system but if we want real change then having a third party candidate that is popular is going to help in the long run. There hasn't been a ceasefire and the Biden, Harris office hasn't done anything for legitimate ceasefire and they haven't stopped the weapon supply. Also the economy's not looking great and immigration is not looking great either and people are frustrated. Also many third party candidates did not steal anything from the Democrats. Votes were not stolen from the Democrats. But I do want to emphasize that if you don't vote for Harris or if you vote for a third party let's not demonize people. There are real causes on why you would vote for third party. Also Jill Stein isn't the only one you can vote for there are many third party candidates out there. also voting for a Democrat is still upholding the system it's just which system do you actually want to vote for.
What about the fact that if 5% of the votes go to a third party candidate, they are eligible to receive funding from the federal election committee? Why is that not a reasonable reason for us to vote for Stein (or another candidate) that represents a party we want to grow?
Protest vote for further left candidates always backfires. When democrats lose they move further right to try to pull what they see as 'moderate' votes. This has been a big part of the shift right of American political discourse over the last 4 decades. Democrats move further left only when they feel safe to do so.
Demonrats never move further left
@@uooooooooh there are a good number of democrats that are further left than the average member of their party. They are only in areas that are solidly liberal. Should they ever be threatened on the right they move that way. It's been happening for decades. Protest votes not only don't work, they only help the party further from your ideals.
@@DanielMennel Nonsense, it's the areas that are the most loyal to the party that give us the most corrupt neolibs out there.
The money the party gets from AIPAC and the rest of the donor class ASSURES that they will NEVER move to the left. Look at all the effort they put into ratfucking Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020....
The. We have two right wing parties and that’s a whole other problem.
I live in California, which we all know will be sending its votes towards Kamala. My vote for Kamala or my vote for a third party candidate won’t change that fact. I have that “privilege” to be able to make that choose on who I truly want to vote for. I will be voting third party just like I did in 2020. My third party vote in California isn’t going to swing election or going to change the trajectory of the government to be more friendly to 3rd party candidates. If I lived in a swing state, I would be 100% casting my vote for Kamala because I know what the consequences are of a second Trump administration.
The fact that she totally disappeared from public life in between running for f-ing President says everything. Thanks for this video!
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It comes down to this. I can't vote for any candidate who actively perpetuates the worst crime against humanity that can be done. If both candidates are on board with that then I can't vote for etiher one.
I live in Seattle. Sawant is the absolute worst and an embarrassment to the city of Seattle. I am looking forward to voting against her as soon as I can b
Why? What did she do?
@@Octoberfurst she was ineffective
I live here too and I’m sick of her .
@@Fox.xx4 she isn't in office and hasn't been for a while now. Nobody really liked her that much.
Well the republican party was once a 3rd party! They broke in and managed to replace the other 2nd major party of the time, the Whigs. Funny enough they did this at another contentious point in our history too. At the time the Whigs were unravelling over their support of slavery. Both major parties supported it and people were getting sick of it. Finally, after The Kansas Nebraska Act (which would've essentially made it possible to bring slavery into the western territories), people from both parties had had enough and decided to form the Republican Party. From what I understand, the first time they tried running they weren't successful, but they managed to garner enough support so that the second time they ran, people saw the potential and decided to join. And that's the story of how the Republican party became the next major party :) ..... So really, it's only impossible if you never try... Sure they might not win in this election BUT -- if they get a large enough support from the people, and the other two parties continue to be an exact replica of one another by 2028, then yes by the next election cycle it could CERTAINLY happen! There may have been a lot of disagreements within the parties way back when, as well as many a split due to several issues, but it took the issue of SLAVERY to finally make it happen. Elites on both sides wanted to keep it, but people's humanity finally prevailed! Today, its the elites of both parties who want to continue a gen.0.cide along with their corrupt corporate agenda's. And once again, humanity has the chance of prevailing if people were to actually demand what they really want. Demand and persevere through the consequences for the next 4 years. Push through the discomfort of forgoing the status quo so that the NEXT ELECTION CYCLE - we actually can have a better future and party for we the people :)
I mean we either take a chance fighting for something different, or submit to an endless cycle we've seen only gets more and more evil within each term :/
Exactly!
She's been running since the early 2000s her and her party have had more than enough time to build up a strong support system and get into office but here we are 🤷🏾♀️
@@eddie-lamardavis1354 Her running since then is not a sign a sign of a bad party but that of a bad system. A corrupt rigged system that goes above and beyond, pouring millions of dollars into making sure the American people believe they have no other choice -and people like you eat it right up and go onto be their propaganda operatives. Her running since then is not a sign of her incompetence but that of a weak population who continuously conforms to a system they’ll forever complain about 🤷♀️
Voting for Jill Stein! Who will give hope for the working people in America! Jill Stein is our only hope!
Thank you Leeja. Great take.
Remember that 2016 was Jill Stein's fault. It had nothing to do with Hillary failing to campaign in swing states late in the election cycle or her team putting on a horrible campaign. Or the fact that she was a highly unpopular candidate.
So you enjoyed the first drumpf term?
@@michaeladkins6missing the point so gracefully it could be an Olympic sport
Don't forget Bernie.
Dems refusal to live in the real world is so funny. Yeah your terrible establishment candidate only lost cos of evil Russians. Definitely nothing to do with her being awful and her husband being a rapist and pedophile.
if you're a hibernating mammal that doesn't act locally and just wakes up every 4 years, I'm just going to assume that you're a Russian agent
@@obinator9065 Or maybe you’re someone with piss poor media diet who doesn’t actually do any research. They are active at all levels but Democrats (as well republicans) do suppress/block ballot access and votes.
They have been putting in effort to also reform voting process to ranked choice for a while.
A russian bear, if you will.
She is. She has a lot of photos with putin
@@SmugFrost by lot you mean the one time she was seated at the same table at a news conference event. Which is not out the ordinary for her at multiple countries.
Which she’s been cleared of any wrong doing and she’s explained multiple times. Not like she even had a way to converse with him. She doesn’t speak Russian. So unless he opts to speak English which he probably wouldn’t around her. No translator provider to her.
She provided the recipits that the campaign paid for the travel and lodging
@@SmugFrostLies.
Leeja, That was very thorough and clearly presented. I fell upon your channel by chance, looking for more facts about the adverse effects of third-party candidates. I subscribed and will find some time to listen to some of your earlier podcasts. Thank you, I genuinely appreciate your balance option.
Hello!
I agree they were good points, but many equally good were left out:
1) JiII is not "just a tool", she has her own goals to win. 5% popular vote would give the Greens, automatic access to ballots in the 2028 election, public funds and participation in national debates.
2) "JiII is just a protest vote": no, not really. JiII and the Green Party have social plans for the US, that include cutting exopenses in wars and using that $ for social projects at home, such as improving Medicare, building social housing, having free education and raising min wage.
3) In a few states, parties must have had presidential candidates in previous elections to be able to present local candidates. So no, JiII is NOT A GRIFTER, the GP chose her to represent them in this year (by vote).
4) Unlike Dems and Reps, the Green Party doesn't receive public funds, nor donations from interest lobbies and from companies, so the campaigns are more modest (and "demure") :)
3) Endorsements: Regarding David Duke, JiII REJECTED it on the same day. JiII is endorsed by the AbandonHarris group and the economist Jeffrey Sachs.
4) Using the Elections specialist lawyer or consulting firm that Trump used: aren't they allowed to work for any politician ever?
5) There are Greens elected locally, not as many, but again check number 4).
6) JiII isn't "taking votes away" from anyone, ADULTS are voting for her, specially because main party candidates support you-know-what.
7) The whole connections to Russia is ludicrous by now, but in case you are still wondering about the 2015 photo with Piutihn, the whole issue was investigated and JiII was EXONERATED. See Mueller Report on Foreign Interference, published by the Sen. in 2019.
It was an ok video, but not so impartial, as it left these small "little things" out.
Have a good day.
And btw, you are a liberal because you support reforming the system from the inside. And that is totally fine. But as far as I am concerned, "Leftist" usually means someone who supports some kind of socialist revolution (destroying the system). I'm not being a left wing purist, but I do think it is important to make this distinction.
Even if Jill Stein was not a grifter, is it more moral to risk a fascist Trump presidency or to vote for the establishment for now and further build progressive momentum for the 2028 election while we can at least vote?
Like, it is the objectively moral stance from a moral standpoint of minimizing suffering.
Momentum and Green Party are opposite concepts. The Greens peaked in 2000 and never recovered. They're splintered into factions now and totally ineffective, without organization, local officials, anything.
Harris is also a fascist tho, she's quite literally killing hundernds of thousands of Palestinians, but I guess fascism is only important when it happens to westerns
I love your passion. It's therapeutic for someone to voice my anger publicly.
Leeja used the same logic as Morning Joe.
This is truly pathetic. I can't support the liberal dribble she's spilling.
Truly disgusting 😂 a "progressive" Democrat. What a clown.
@@jb44421 at this point that's an oxymoron. There's nothing progressive about being a Democrat, it's all corporate.
To me, the idea that these 3rd party candidates being placed on the ballot will cause people to vote for them and deter votes from the Democratic Party is ridiculous. If you’re willing to commit to voting third party because of whatever grievance you have with the other two parties, then you’re willing to write them in. The presence of their names makes ZERO difference.
Not every state allows write in.
I disagree on calling the US election system "outdated". It never was supposed to be very democratic and it still works as intened
16:14 math was already math’d though. It’s been confirmed that stein voters wouldn’t have tipped the scales to Hillary and many of those voters likely would’ve just stayed at home
Presidential election=vote blue no matter who, the next three years=vote
the ballot says to vote for a candidate not a color.
How nice of the ballot to not inform you how government works. The person you vote for appoints countless government officials, and you’d best believe the majority of those appointments will match the color of the candidate doing the appointing. The Presidency is far more than the man or woman who sits at the Resolute desk.
@jasongallagher631 okay but that's not the point, we can't change how we election the president until we change other ish
"Vote Blue no matter who!" is preaching to the choir. No, it's preaching AT the choir! And the swing voters aren't likely to be won over...
"No matter who" sounds so MAGA. So blind. No accountability. They don't have to earn your vote. They can do anything, even genocide, and you'll still vote for them. So why should they ever listen to you on any issue then?
Just remember she was also at the table with General Flynn and Putin.
omg you cracked the code she's a RuSsiAn Agent, not like the whole country runs publically by foreign lobbyists
She is a Russian Asset and always has been, in addition to being a complete fraud. She will NEVER be elected to any office, and anyone who thinks they are delivering a message, other than they are a very low IQ voter, is delusional. Any vote for Joke Stein is a vote for Trump and Trump loves her for this.
One photograph of a dinner table at a world conference Jill was a guest speaker at. She didn’t do the table assignments. She didn’t speak to Putin or Flynn, they were across the table from her.
One photo and she spent 3 years being investigated for the lies that were spun. And guess what. She was completely exonerated.
Keep up.
Harris is an Israeli puppet
Unless she accepted the DD endorsement why mention it? Spoiler alert: she denounced it.
In Missouri, please vote no on Amendment 7! We want ranked choice voting!! Also yes on Amendment 3 if you care about reproductive rights!! We have a lot going on in our state!!
Can someone explain to me what the h3ll is happening the last week-ish in this country? All of a sudden, every comments section on every form of social media is absolutely FLOODED with pro-Trump and (pervasively sexist) anti-Harris comments.
anti-harris =/= pro trump
It’s been like that the entire time…. Their comments weren’t any more positive for Biden.
@@Storm-iw7sm it's almost as if we're consistent and coherent in saying that genocide is a red line..
Shame it isn't for you
It's probably partly foreign interference and partly grassroots MAGA voters, all trying to depress the Democratic vote.
@@bothi00 I said pro-Trump "and" anti-Harris comments. They're not necessarily the same thing, but I've been seeing a lot of both.
Bringing up that Sanders and AOC have endorsed Harris is not the motivating win you think it is. It’s the opposite.
If we truly want to dramatically shift the American political landscape, it would require a grassroots movement advocating for an overhaul of our election system, not voting for Jill Stein. Establishing a national holiday for voting would be a good first step.
Actually the green party is a grassroots movement advocating for an overhaul of our voting system.
We need to convince people to vote. They've been lead to believe all the antivoting propaganda.
If you want a grassroots movement to overhaul the election system, the first step is to vote for Jill Stein.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq A blatant, absurd lie, and nothing more. Stein has *exactly zero* chance to make *any* kind of change - and clearly she's not interested in even trying to bring about that change, since she does *nothing* to advance any such change.
A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Donald Trump (and his pals like Netanyahu, Orban, Putin et al.).
That isn't going to happen with a Democrat candidate either. Look at how the party consistently sabotages progressive candidates like Bernie and Jamal Bowman. The change that is needed must come from the organizing, striking and solidarity of ordinary citizens outside of government.
Leeja well said
This censoring is crazy. Why do we have to use innocuous words like grape to describe a real and horrible thing?
Every time I see this specific censoring, I think of the old Grapist comedy skit by WKUK: ua-cam.com/video/mqgiEQXGetI/v-deo.html
Demonetization be going dummy on this hellsite.
They think that the world might be triggering for some people.
UA-cam doesn't pay if they don't.
There is somethng very wrong here, if I just write a candidate's first or last name, my comment gets deleted. It's crazy at this point.
Came to Leeja for the RPDR content, stuck around for the top-tier political analysis 💯
It's just a vanity project she engages in every 4 years.
She didn't run in 2020. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@WattersWaveYoYes she doesn't did 😂
@@RadagastBrown420 "Doesn't did?"
She didn't run in 2020 and wasn't going to run in 2024 either, but Cornel W. decided to go as an indepent and JiII had to step in - they VOTED for her, by the way.
Hi Jim....not true. This comment might be a vanity project though.
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You've channeled a lot of the frustration I have with the Left as someone on the Left. We regularly do not want to treat American politics as it is, preferring to treat it like we would like it to be. I voted for Jill Stein in 2016. I didn't end up feeling morally superior, or feeling like I sent the Democrats a message, and I will never do that again.
You aren't a leftist if you're voting for gncd.
Stein is anti-nuclear. Enough for me to dismiss her entirely.
In 2017 I met her and expressed my concern's about Trump. She just basically shrugged it off saying that if he were to win we would just have to learn from it'. She really doesn't care at all about our country.
Jill Stein is a gifter, not a grifter!
A gift from Putin
Vote for democracy, vote against Trump and fascism, vote for Kamala Harris, please for the love of humanity vote for Kamala Harris
don't vote for genociders
@@xix-19 don't gamble on the lives of their victims, and the many, many other communities that need the red party defeated. Don't pick the extremely unlikely idealistic option, just to feel better personally.
I didn't sign up to be your gambling token.
Well kamala suddenly seems determined to run as a republican so I guess Jill is up next 🤷♂️ i hate it here 🇺🇲
She's not trying to run republican, she's going on right leaning platforms to cater to independents and undecideds, of which make up about 110 MILLION people.
@@slightlyuncomfortable She's flaunting her endorsement from DICK CHENEY
@@uooooooooh And? Politics are inherently amoral. Dick Cheney is a dumpster fire of a human being, as well as a grifter, but when the shitheels of the opposition start moving away from someone who's gone too far, that does mean something.
Please watch the alt right playbook. He describes the layers of alt-right indoctrination as layers of an onion. Some are comfortable at their layer and find people deeper than that layer to be fucking insane, others go deeper into the onion, ect.
As someone whos always been the proponent of "vote for who you think is best theres no such thing as a spoiler" jill stein could easily be the downfall of this country