TWO points that you missed. 1) The HP advanced graphing app is an IMPLICIT plotter, thus you can plot an equation in open form ( sin(x*y) = x^2 ) whereas on the TI you could never plot such a graph because it has to be in closed form ( y = ). I cannot overstate how much of a huge advantage this is over the TI. 2) Whatever person chose to put the letters and certain symbols on the the HP Prime White Keys in ORANGE should be FIRED !!! They are very hard to make out in various lighting conditions. Incidentally, I have all three ( HP Prime, Nspire CX II CAS, and the FX-CG500 ) love them all and enjoy using them.
I agree on the color of the alpha keys. One important detail is that the Prime with G2 hardware has an updated KB and the color/contrast of the orange is much better than the first gen hardware. There was also a revision of the hardware prior to G2 that improved the orange coloring on the keys, but didn't include the improved processor. The Prime in this video appears to be the improved KB, but I am not sure if it is the G2 hardware or not.
You can absolutely do implicit graphing! Just switch from function to relation and you can graph almost any relation. Extremely useful when you want to graph relations versus functions!
If you are a serious man requires the efficiency and time saving in the related work field, time is important! However, the advanced input design may make many people feel hard to learn, cost long time to learn!
This reviewer is absolutely right in his assessment. I am an older professional mechanical engineer, and recently I thought I should better refresh my rusty maths, as well as getting familiar with these newer maths tools. I bought all three (TI nspire CAS, HP Prime G2 and Casio fx CG 500) and I can confirm that HP appears way better built than the other. I actually like the TI quite a lot, especially when with all the alpha keys you can enter directly the functions and operators easily (as well as having way more tutorials and learning materials. But the overall first impression is that long term I will focus on the HP which seems to be better built and more professional (as opposed as just a school teaching device). It is still very early stages for me, and things may change.
@Jon M, I’m in the same situation and thoughts. Although I’m recently retired I’m intrigued by and curious about the newer calculators. A long way from my old Picket Circular Slide Rule 😁 or TI SR50. From the reviews I’ve seen so far I would have thoughts similar to yours; the features you use daily would differentiate between 2 very capable calculators. The choice is so difficult I think I will buy both.
Tested the HP… it has a lot of bugs. Crashed multiple times. Also it does not support selection at all. Want to insert a division mid in the equation? It is not possible! The software of the HP feels rushed and unfinished. Also the App-Concept is pretty stupid in reality. Will checkout the nSpire now. Also, the RPN of the HP is a marketing thing. It is only availible in the numeric/home mode, but not in CAS, which makes it a useless feature for me.
@@markw208 Hi, Mark. Don't forget to consider the Ti-89 Titanium. It's still the best calculator in practice if you are not a student. Has the killer feature of always turning on instantly, rather than sometimes needing to boot.
Awesome review. I would say I definitely prefer the HP Prime in terms of speed of processing commands, the ability to adjust the graphing window quickly with the touchscreen, and the library of built-in functions is much more robust, and I prefer the TI Nspire for its full keyboard and ease of creating functions on-the-fly. I will say that what the Prime lacks in descriptions of its error messages it makes up for with its substantial Help feature for every built-in function. For deciding on one or the other, it mostly depends on what it will be used for. The HP Prime is probably geared towards more advanced mathematics while the TI calcs seem to be made more for the high school and early college students. I wouldn't say either is particularly great for programming, since even with a full keyboard it's sort of a pain with the TI Nspire, and I prefer coding the programs on an actual PC and transferring them to the calculator, but it's basically impossible to do it with the HP Prime's lack of a keyboard. Side note: The HP Prime actually does have a partial derivatives template located under the templates key (the one located to the right of the toolbox button).
I’ve always used the Texas Instrument calculators and never considered anything else but this video has me second guessing my loyalty! Right now I have lots of programs and tools built around TIs but I have lots to consider! Thanks for the comparison!
LOL. Same here. During my Electrical Engineering Classes at UF back in the early 90's, I relied on and loved my old HP-28S. In 1989, it cost a fortune, but it paid itself off by the time I graduated in 1992. Regretfully, I sold it a few years back. But now I want this HP Prime - just to have it and graph some functions.
Thanks so much for an excellent video, which led me to purchase the HP from eBay for a reasonable price. I've owned the TI-nSpire for a number of years and it has spent most of its time collecting dust and losing charge. When I did use it, I found it to be so cumbersome. I spent some time following a tutorial to learn the features and found the overall human factors engineering was terrible. I'm delighted to come across this HP prime comparison video, which shows how easy the HP is to use. I was shocked to see how much slower the TI is than the HP. Just for curiosity sake, I programmed that summation into a few lines of BASIC in my own written BASIC interpreter. I designed and programmed the expression evaluator, which, internally uses RPN. The interpreter executes many lines of C code for the operation. I am pleased to say that that same perceived speed on the interpreter is instantaneous. Of course, I am using it on a fairly new PC. One of the most difficult things to do on the TI is to scale a graph down to see more of it. The use of the visual hand grabber is a challenge.
Excellent review! Thanks for sharing. Over 30 years of being a teacher at a University in Mexico, I had been using TI for over 15 years, after HP almost leave this market (I used de HP 48 and 49 at the beginning of the 90s) and I was very happy with TI (I am retired now). I really liked the use of documents, the sheet classes, the programming style, the primitive functions about probability distributions, the inclusion of LUA and now Python programs, the emulator software, and the easy way to share documents (some of my students make documents for each homework or exam). The "solve" command in TI surprised me when I was looking for a limit in a definite integral in an arc length formula. And maybe the most important thing is the TI community, which is very active in some countries, particularly in Australia. I really hope HP company will think the CAS calculator market at the college level is important. Again. Thanks!!
Nice comparison! I was surprised by this iteration in the Texas Instruments line-up. The processor speed variance is significant and the touch screen and resolution of the HP looked way better. The document system in the TI appears to be very "clunky". A few things you didn't touch on was the pc/computer interface between the calculators, what programming languages (python is currently supported on the TI as opposed to the HP's Prime Programming Language (PPL)) each calculator supports and any accessories or add-on each have which you could do in a later video or update this one and how those things might affect a person's decision.
I checked a couple of the other reviews and yours is by far the best, thanks for touching on hardware and build issues. Seems the TI supports Python scripting but given how underpowered it is, I’m not going to hold my breath. Ordered the HP. Thanks!
@@ElissaLee1 Sometimes you want to have a "routine" or algorithm that you keep repeating over and over again transformed into a program so you can call it with just a few key presses. But the HP Prime also supports micropython which is pretty much python anyways, so I don't think TI would be better just because of that. I would like the calculator to support C and Assembly though.
Well you can create documents with HP Prime. It is just that they do not call it document. In the Apps menu there is a Save button which is in my opinion the exact same function as documents.
It has trouble solving simultaneous equations. The solver app apparently needs guesses to start with or it will fail. Otherwise you have to do it all in text mode from what works like a command prompt. Very annoy, and I gave up after an your of clunking aroudn with it. It's a shame because otherwise it's better in every way.
I really like the design and functionality of non-TI calculators but it's super annoying to try to figure out how to do certain things in class when the professor is using a TI.
@@adamneulander it's basically live of best fit, done by you calculator. In a ti it's just click this go there and bam, but for the hp it's in a whole other app. Once you know how though, it's pretty easy
Most important thing as someone who got his electrical engineering degree in ‘89 ( think HP41CX and after working a bit, the HP 48GX, my personal favorite), the HP does RPN, a must!!
Nice comparison. I used to be an avid HP48 user through college. I didn't do enough research and just bought the Nspire CX II CAS. I agree with you on all points. I hate going thru menus and 2nd order keys for EE, etc. Keys are tiny and cheap feeling. It's an extremely capable device, but all your points are exactly what I missed about my old HPs. The old HPs were SO SLOW...even for the day. But the input and so fast and well laid oout. I may cut my losses and get the HP and give this to my son.
Really like this review! I honestly feel like a good graphing calculator should have most used dedicated keys for trig functions, logs, exponents, etc available without being forced to look for them in sub menus ...I have been using my old HS calculator TI 83 Plus but am really impressed by HP Prime! The ability to just punch on the screen to zoom on the graph....wow!
Thanks so much! I went through college with my TI89 (before Titanium) and I loved it. Now I need a new calculator, and I've been leaning hard towards the TI-nspire, but not anymore.
Really nice and precise review. Did a great job comparing displays for example, that the one one in TI sits much higher. Even Smart Phone reviewers don't put that much effort and precision about things like that. The math functions comparing was also good.
If you think that navigating through the menus is annoying (TI), for example if you need the SIN function, you can always type "sin" with the extended keyboard... That's why there's a keyboard and a sin button is not available...
I am also a professional and needed a calculator that didn't involve more computer use, more versatile, so I chose the ti nspire. Definitely not disappointed. I bet the HP is good as well.
Good video. I'm not sure if you notice the slightly different results in the sum calculations between the HP and TI starting at 7min. 20sec. mark. The 4th decimal place and onwards are different for HP and TI. I'm curious to know if you would write a simple program to independently verify the value using double-precision or quad-precision calculations. Thank you.
Nice video! One clarification at 12:14 : When you open different apps on the Nspire, you’re creating new pages in the *same* document. This is actually a very useful thing if you’re working a complex problem, because any functions or variables you create on a calculator page can be used on a plot page, or spreadsheet data can be used with a stats page, etc. It keeps all variables, calculations, functions etc in one multi-page document that you can save and return to later, and every page has access to stuff you’ve done on other pages. If you open a new document, you get a fresh environment without any saved variables, data, etc. I made use of this feature in my master’s degree for documenting some homework and even transferring it to the PC app where it could be printed. The spreadsheet app in the Nspire can solve equations recursively within its cells, which is something even Excel can’t do (unless you want to use VBA and solver macros).
Great comparison! I would add that when it comes to doing any matrix operations, the HP beats the snot out of the TI. The toolbox on the top row gives you access to all of it.
I had my first HP calculator 47 years ago - the predecessor to the HP45. That calculator was a basic scientific calculator that used HPs RPN notation. It used the same keys as the current Prime and lasted many years. I upgraded to the programmable HP29C and eventually to the HP41CX. All were great for their time. I am currently using the TI84 because I work with high school math students, who use the TI -- but I certainly prefer the HP platforms. I wasn't aware of the CAS and will look into it. I have currently been using Mathematica online - which obviously has much more computational capabilities.
15:15 I have both and holy crap that is the first thing that drove me crazy on the nspire! On the TI-89 you just hit the 2nd or diamond key and then the trig function you want on the either y, z, or t. Why did they change it?
At 13:30 - i type it in WITHOUT the multiplication sign on my hp prime and it replaces it just like the Nspire. Maybe you need a FW update? I have SW 2.1.14603 (2021 12 02), HW version D, CAS version 1.5.0, OS V2.060.650
The t version is "test" version. Some features are disabled to be allowed for tests in the us. Thats what i have gathered. And it looks pretty with red.
10:15-11:00 of the video I think is one reason why the TI-Nspire is the better, more expensive calculator. The fact that it does Numerical Analysis and Differential Equations is huge, although the HP has the ODE solver but that's not enough DE. The TI's python is a more sufficient way to programming. Also, I didn't see Prob & Stats on the HP but I'm sure it's capable since the basic TI-83 can do it. I'd say that for everyday use, the HP is good since it's really fast, but the TI has more ability and is a necessity.
I'm glad I watched this but wished I didn't. I own (ti-89 titanium, nspire cx cas and nspire cx ii cas). Never considered the HP until now. I come from using a ti-36 and a pencil to these machines. I'm in awe of what they can do. HP needs to cut you a check. Good job on your review.
Can the HP prime save long calculation files or test calculations for later use or editing? I think if he doesn't, it would be a great weakness against Texas.
Does the HP Prime Graphing Calculator Ii have features for Differential Equations ,Linear Algebra, Physics, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering. PS you have a great presentation
My first HP was the 15c and I loved that lil bugger. I’ve always loved HP calculators, however, I have used other brands as well and I have enjoyed them too.
I'll agree with you mostly, and the Prime is looking really good, BUT. The last bit about the keyboard. That entirely depends. Not all users want/have to use trig functions every single day, or that often at all, but may use the calculator extensively for programming (and/or note taking). Programming or taking notes on a standard calculator keyboard is agony. Menus are another choice some makers use for things, but I think the TI's solution of single button with quick menu is the best. Dedicated buttons take too much space and reserve spots from other functions that could be used instead. I much prefer the TI's one-button-menu for functions grouped together - HP could've done this even better with their touch screen capability. Click a button and tap screen. It's only a fraction of a second slower than dedicated button, uses way fewer buttons (thus releasing space for other things). I really hope HP would come out with a "Prime II" model that had full keyboard, touchscreen and dedicated group buttons instead of individual. TI can go cry in a corner with their touchpad though, I hate it. Even the clickwheel of the old nSpire was better. The HP is so much better in almost every other way, but with it's "this is the way calculators looked in the 1960s" keyboard it's missing quite a lot of potential, in my opinion.
@@jayballauer8353 Probably to make it possible to use in more scenarios. Most tests (in my country at least) disallow students to use a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.
Thanks for your amazing explanation. I was confused on what to pick, but of what you've illustrated, HP Prime is much better, I wonder if we can compare HP Prime vs Casio fx-CG500. But really thanks a lot for your video.
You are not being nit-picky; TI has always tried various keyboard layout system, which is yet to match the original Ti-83. Remember the Ti-92? While if felt like a cool gaming system, I still preferred the hp48GX system back in the days. Perhaps the attempt is to squeeze it all into a standard form factor. The thing is that they all got it right the first time as calculator where not really designed around the QWERTY key layout; I could type as fast on the chronological keys. Oh how I wish the hp had retained RPL programming though. Nothing comes close to that to date. Great video by the way. I always loved the calculator for their differences, and offcourse accepted the limitations. The Ti-85 took a bit further in the string manipulations; however, it was still no where close to the hp, without jumping into machine programming. Though they did their things in the past, and lead the way before the smart devices, such as windows, palm, sybain and android. I still wonder the future of calculator. The main idea is to be simple yet intuitive and sophisticated as needed.
Funny how HP Prime feels like a modern competitor to the Nspire while taking some design ques from the Ti-8x calculators via the buttons. Best of Both worlds in one. I wonder if HP Prime has a Word Processor like how the Nspire has. (Better question is why Nspire even has Word Processor and Spreadsheets)
A lot of people wonder what even is the point but I love having a word processor on my calculator. It's fantastic for storing notes and some exams don't even require exam mode (at least here in the UK) so you don't even have to learn certain stuff when you can just put it on your calculator.
I have and use both. Good assessment. The Prime (G2) is sweet to touch and manipulate for graphs, the nspire easier for keyboard programming on the go. They're both worlds away from my 40 year old HP15C (still a marvelous tool in its own right) and my TI-66 (glacially slow, but capable).
The HP seems the clear winner although I prefer the font & display layout of the TI. HP just needs a "prettyfy" routine to make expressions look nicer (e.g. italic letters for variables) like Casio does.
if you have time could you make a video for the HP Prime covering the Solv functionality? It does not seem to be consistent. For example, xTheta will provide a "a" or and "x", I would like to think it is the difference between CAS and Non CAS mode but I have seen an "x" appear in both modes. It just seems quite finicky compared to the TI NSpire which does a really good job of solving whatever you enter due to it's "AUTO" mode of operation switching between CAS and Non CAS operations on the fly. And why can you be in solve app then enter a solv function, modes of solv operations is confusing. Thoughts?
The character keys on NSpire are very useful when you calculate a term multiple times. On Prime you need always to switch to alpha when storing a variable and the orange characters are very difficult to read when you wear glasses or have bad light conditions.
Great review many thx. Pls can you help. I am considering buying the ti cx2 cas but am held back by what i understand to be the only way to enter x, y, and z as variables. The ti famously has a full a to z keyboard below the central number keys. Ok some want that freedom of direct entry. But v heavily we are con erned only with the entry of a single letter as a variable, that is x, and possibly a y or z as a second. But the only placement of the x y z keys I see is at the extreme bottom of the keyboard. Would that not mean that as numbers are entered into the display the hand must make a jump of three inches down to select with difficulty the often needed x letter to input into the screen? Pls is there a another x key close close to the central number keys or another fluid way of inputting an x variable? Good day and thank you.
I just run the sum in Maxima and appears to agree with the ti's result. Can anyone confirm if that is the more accura result using any other software? I don't have easy access to anything else at the moment.
7:33 The Ti result is better. It shows a properly rounded result. I computed the result with 150 digits in the intermediate calculations m@fedora:~$ cat 1.py from mpmath import mp mp.dps = 150 # Set precision to 150 digits value = mp.mpf(0) for x in range(1, 60001): value += (mp.mpf(1) + mp.mpf(2) / mp.mpf(10000)) ** mp.mpf(x) / mp.mpf(x) print(round(value, 10)) m@fedora:~$ python3 1.py 14953.1402009668 The last digit of the HP result is wrong: 14953.1401999 TI shows less digits, but the result is properly rounded: 14953.140201
I have both the HP Prime G2 and TI nspire CX II-T CAS. Personally, I get on better with the HP. I find it much easier and more logical to use. Working with it is also much smoother, because the TI generally works much slower. The battery life is really better with the TI. Especially if you haven't used both calculators for a long time. The HP is nevertheless empty after 3 weeks (so when you come back from holiday, always remember to recharge). The TI can be left unused for 2 months without any problems, but the battery is still only minimally discharged (the TI seems to have a deep stand-by mode, because it has to reboot first). I would still buy the HP Prime again and again. For me personally, it has the best overall concept (also with regard to the software for the PC).
I had an HP48G back in the day. Everything was done in 'reverse polish'. Eg. 100/2=5 was done by entering 100 2 divide. Is this the method of operation for the HP Prime?
Tough choice, personally I like the physical key layout on the TI (lettered keys). If you every had to translate real world functions into a calc it is way easier to use the actual variable starting initial than have to back translate x, y, z, t variables for respectively a kv value or delta P, etc. Torn. Yes you can do that with the Prime, Rs and other letters, but the TI has is down for high level work. Note: the trig button is way better like this, having the ti-89, you are always looking for the dedicated sine, etc button this has it in one place. Personally, this is way better thought out in terms of layout.
How would someone do a function like say...input a formula into a column to apply into the next column. for example D2=D2^2 to make it actually calculate without giving an error message in 1 var stats?
I think he's using a G2. In the App menu, there's the 3d graphing app, which was not available (I mean it was not installed at the moment of purchase) for the V2
@@peocaveo It may be that I did an online update (poor memory on my part). For reference purposes my Software Version is 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16). CAS Version 1.4.9. Operating System V0.050.640. Also, I bought it from Amazon.com in May 2018. Anyway, good luck to you.
The original clickpad nspire had the alphabet keys in between the normal number keys but they do stick out further than the normal keys which creates accidental keypresses but sin cos and tan have their own dedicated buttons and the number keys feel in a much more natural place. Also the normal keys have this cool shape because of the alphabet keys in between
Also the Dpad was a cirle that acted like a normal Dpad as oppose to this weird trackpad nonsense they have now. Really hate how they removed swappable controls in the new Nspire.
The summation test is a little deceptive. TI's CAS is based on Derive, a CAS for DOS/Windows that went through 6 versions. This does sums by first creating a large vector, then summing the elements of the vector. That is inherently slower than HP's approach which is likely just term by term. But the Derive approach is far more useful in a CAS context rather than just crunching numbers. If I want to crunch numbers I pull out the HP-50g which is similarly optimized for numerics. In practice I use Derive to manipulate Clifford algebras with their matrix representations. To put up with a slower summation formula is worth it because the CAS in Derive is absolutely superior in flexibility. You should point out the context of CAS vs. crunching. Also, it is almost surely possible to recast the TI expression to work around the CAS's limitations as a number cruncher.
@@kemalnottaturk2500 Yes, you are right, but none of the battery stores (Like Batteries Plus) carry them. They are hard to find on line also. I had to get one from China and it took a month to get it.
I really like that you are covering a niche topic, and doing so thoroughly and in depth. Your review really has a lot of substance.
@@respectbigman3133you have a bias for TI because it's clearly seen that they didn't make a good calculator here.
TWO points that you missed. 1) The HP advanced graphing app is an IMPLICIT plotter, thus you can plot an equation in open form ( sin(x*y) = x^2 ) whereas on the TI you could never plot such a graph because it has to be in closed form ( y = ). I cannot overstate how much of a huge advantage this is over the TI. 2) Whatever person chose to put the letters and certain symbols on the the HP Prime White Keys in ORANGE should be FIRED !!! They are very hard to make out in various lighting conditions. Incidentally, I have all three ( HP Prime, Nspire CX II CAS, and the FX-CG500 ) love them all and enjoy using them.
I agree on the color of the alpha keys. One important detail is that the Prime with G2 hardware has an updated KB and the color/contrast of the orange is much better than the first gen hardware. There was also a revision of the hardware prior to G2 that improved the orange coloring on the keys, but didn't include the improved processor. The Prime in this video appears to be the improved KB, but I am not sure if it is the G2 hardware or not.
You can do implicit graphing on the Ti. You just need to click on the escape key when you create a new function.
You can absolutely do implicit graphing! Just switch from function to relation and you can graph almost any relation. Extremely useful when you want to graph relations versus functions!
Man you don't know the pressure I'm in. Can I please have one and I'm in Swaziland🇸🇿😭😭
Which one would you recommend from these three?
Why am I watching a calculator speed test
I should be doing homework
Well you'll get your homework done way faster with a CAS
@@Chillingworth even faster with HP Prime
Same here. I'm thinking of shelling out the coin. I have to be certain.
Lol 😆
If you are a serious man requires the efficiency and time saving in the related work field, time is important! However, the advanced input design may make many people feel hard to learn, cost long time to learn!
This reviewer is absolutely right in his assessment. I am an older professional mechanical engineer, and recently I thought I should better refresh my rusty maths, as well as getting familiar with these newer maths tools. I bought all three (TI nspire CAS, HP Prime G2 and Casio fx CG 500) and I can confirm that HP appears way better built than the other. I actually like the TI quite a lot, especially when with all the alpha keys you can enter directly the functions and operators easily (as well as having way more tutorials and learning materials. But the overall first impression is that long term I will focus on the HP which seems to be better built and more professional (as opposed as just a school teaching device). It is still very early stages for me, and things may change.
ik its 11 months ago but what would u recommend
and today which one you prefer ?
@Jon M, I’m in the same situation and thoughts. Although I’m recently retired I’m intrigued by and curious about the newer calculators. A long way from my old Picket Circular Slide Rule 😁 or TI SR50. From the reviews I’ve seen so far I would have thoughts similar to yours; the features you use daily would differentiate between 2 very capable calculators. The choice is so difficult I think I will buy both.
Tested the HP… it has a lot of bugs. Crashed multiple times.
Also it does not support selection at all. Want to insert a division mid in the equation? It is not possible!
The software of the HP feels rushed and unfinished. Also the App-Concept is pretty stupid in reality. Will checkout the nSpire now.
Also, the RPN of the HP is a marketing thing. It is only availible in the numeric/home mode, but not in CAS, which makes it a useless feature for me.
@@markw208 Hi, Mark. Don't forget to consider the Ti-89 Titanium. It's still the best calculator in practice if you are not a student. Has the killer feature of always turning on instantly, rather than sometimes needing to boot.
Awesome review. I would say I definitely prefer the HP Prime in terms of speed of processing commands, the ability to adjust the graphing window quickly with the touchscreen, and the library of built-in functions is much more robust, and I prefer the TI Nspire for its full keyboard and ease of creating functions on-the-fly. I will say that what the Prime lacks in descriptions of its error messages it makes up for with its substantial Help feature for every built-in function. For deciding on one or the other, it mostly depends on what it will be used for. The HP Prime is probably geared towards more advanced mathematics while the TI calcs seem to be made more for the high school and early college students. I wouldn't say either is particularly great for programming, since even with a full keyboard it's sort of a pain with the TI Nspire, and I prefer coding the programs on an actual PC and transferring them to the calculator, but it's basically impossible to do it with the HP Prime's lack of a keyboard.
Side note: The HP Prime actually does have a partial derivatives template located under the templates key (the one located to the right of the toolbox button).
I’ve always used the Texas Instrument calculators and never considered anything else but this video has me second guessing my loyalty! Right now I have lots of programs and tools built around TIs but I have lots to consider! Thanks for the comparison!
Your production is exactly what I was looking for.
I will be purchasing the Prime!
Fascinating, I have absolutely zero need for a graphing calculator but now I want one!
LOL. Same here. During my Electrical Engineering Classes at UF back in the early 90's, I relied on and loved my old HP-28S. In 1989, it cost a fortune, but it paid itself off by the time I graduated in 1992. Regretfully, I sold it a few years back. But now I want this HP Prime - just to have it and graph some functions.
Very nice video, I had a similar opinion when I reviewed the HP Prime G2 myself! The production quality looks great, keep it up!
I just came from your video. Very well done!
Thanks so much for an excellent video, which led me to purchase the HP from eBay for a reasonable price. I've owned the TI-nSpire for a number of years and it has spent most of its time collecting dust and losing charge. When I did use it, I found it to be so cumbersome. I spent some time following a tutorial to learn the features and found the overall human factors engineering was terrible. I'm delighted to come across this HP prime comparison video, which shows how easy the HP is to use. I was shocked to see how much slower the TI is than the HP. Just for curiosity sake, I programmed that summation into a few lines of BASIC in my own written BASIC interpreter. I designed and programmed the expression evaluator, which, internally uses RPN. The interpreter executes many lines of C code for the operation. I am pleased to say that that same perceived speed on the interpreter is instantaneous. Of course, I am using it on a fairly new PC. One of the most difficult things to do on the TI is to scale a graph down to see more of it. The use of the visual hand grabber is a challenge.
Excellent review! Thanks for sharing. Over 30 years of being a teacher at a University in Mexico, I had been using TI for over 15 years, after HP almost leave this market (I used de HP 48 and 49 at the beginning of the 90s) and I was very happy with TI (I am retired now). I really liked the use of documents, the sheet classes, the programming style, the primitive functions about probability distributions, the inclusion of LUA and now Python programs, the emulator software, and the easy way to share documents (some of my students make documents for each homework or exam). The "solve" command in TI surprised me when I was looking for a limit in a definite integral in an arc length formula. And maybe the most important thing is the TI community, which is very active in some countries, particularly in Australia. I really hope HP company will think the CAS calculator market at the college level is important. Again. Thanks!!
Hola disculpe, podrias ayudarme? Tengo una duda con las calculadoras
This was a very helpful comparison. I have always thought HP was better built than TI and you confirmed my belief. Thanks.
Just a note. I think that is brushed aluminum on the front of the Prime, not all plastic. ;-)
@Alexander Bouchard Magnets do not attract aluminum, only ferromagnetic materials like iron, steel, nickel, cobalt, etc
Are you planning on really detailed HP Prime vs Casio fx-cg50? That kind of video is really rare.....
cg50 is too far behind nspire, not to say hp prime.
Nice comparison! I was surprised by this iteration in the Texas Instruments line-up. The processor speed variance is significant and the touch screen and resolution of the HP looked way better. The document system in the TI appears to be very "clunky". A few things you didn't touch on was the pc/computer interface between the calculators, what programming languages (python is currently supported on the TI as opposed to the HP's Prime Programming Language (PPL)) each calculator supports and any accessories or add-on each have which you could do in a later video or update this one and how those things might affect a person's decision.
I checked a couple of the other reviews and yours is by far the best, thanks for touching on hardware and build issues. Seems the TI supports Python scripting but given how underpowered it is, I’m not going to hold my breath. Ordered the HP. Thanks!
@@ElissaLee1 Sometimes you want to have a "routine" or algorithm that you keep repeating over and over again transformed into a program so you can call it with just a few key presses. But the HP Prime also supports micropython which is pretty much python anyways, so I don't think TI would be better just because of that.
I would like the calculator to support C and Assembly though.
Well you can create documents with HP Prime. It is just that they do not call it document. In the Apps menu there is a Save button which is in my opinion the exact same function as documents.
That review nails it for me. I was seriously considering buying one other the other but the HP is a clear winner.
It has trouble solving simultaneous equations. The solver app apparently needs guesses to start with or it will fail. Otherwise you have to do it all in text mode from what works like a command prompt. Very annoy, and I gave up after an your of clunking aroudn with it. It's a shame because otherwise it's better in every way.
@@VndNvwYvvSvv ty for this comment i was convinced that the hp prime is bettsr in every way until your comment
@@_Cfocus Don't use the app for solving it's not good use solve() for algebraic solution and fsolve() for numerical solution ,it can solve ...
I really like the design and functionality of non-TI calculators but it's super annoying to try to figure out how to do certain things in class when the professor is using a TI.
duuuuuuuuudeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm in algebra II honors and we're doing linear regression stuff, and I can't find out how the hell to do it with my HP :[
@@thatoneguy7618 Yeah I love my HP Prime
@@thatoneguy7618 wtf is linear regression im in pre calc honors 😭
@@adamneulander it's basically live of best fit, done by you calculator. In a ti it's just click this go there and bam, but for the hp it's in a whole other app. Once you know how though, it's pretty easy
@@thatoneguy7618 your doing linear regression in algebra 2?? For me, I just started doing linear regression in ap stats which I took last year
nice video. going to get the HP. had one in college in the 90's and miss it!
Most important thing as someone who got his electrical engineering degree in ‘89 ( think HP41CX and after working a bit, the HP 48GX, my personal favorite), the HP does RPN, a must!!
Nice comparison. I used to be an avid HP48 user through college. I didn't do enough research and just bought the Nspire CX II CAS. I agree with you on all points. I hate going thru menus and 2nd order keys for EE, etc. Keys are tiny and cheap feeling. It's an extremely capable device, but all your points are exactly what I missed about my old HPs. The old HPs were SO SLOW...even for the day. But the input and so fast and well laid oout. I may cut my losses and get the HP and give this to my son.
when u calculated the sum they had different answers did anyone notice? 7:32
Really like this review! I honestly feel like a good graphing calculator should have most used dedicated keys for trig functions, logs, exponents, etc available without being forced to look for them in sub menus ...I have been using my old HS calculator TI 83 Plus but am really impressed by HP Prime! The ability to just punch on the screen to zoom on the graph....wow!
Thanks so much! I went through college with my TI89 (before Titanium) and I loved it. Now I need a new calculator, and I've been leaning hard towards the TI-nspire, but not anymore.
@@respectbigman3133 And why should we trust your opinion??
Really nice and precise review.
Did a great job comparing displays for example, that the one one in TI sits much higher. Even Smart Phone reviewers don't put that much effort and precision about things like that. The math functions comparing was also good.
Please do a comparison on HP Prime and Casio fx-CG500
theres a fx-CG500???
@@samuelroman2642 yep
Very useful comparison, thank you. These models are significantly faster than the Casio fx-9860GII that I use.
7:39 which one gives the right answer? They are different.
If you think that navigating through the menus is annoying (TI), for example if you need the SIN function, you can always type "sin" with the extended keyboard... That's why there's a keyboard and a sin button is not available...
But typing in takes a littl longer than hitting a button, that's what he meant.
It's annoying because the original nspire had a dedicated sin button
The second sum solution is different in 7:20 .
I am also a professional and needed a calculator that didn't involve more computer use, more versatile, so I chose the ti nspire. Definitely not disappointed. I bet the HP is good as well.
Good video.
I'm not sure if you notice the slightly different results in the sum calculations between the HP and TI starting at 7min. 20sec. mark. The 4th decimal place and onwards are different for HP and TI.
I'm curious to know if you would write a simple program to independently verify the value using double-precision or quad-precision calculations.
Thank you.
Nice video! One clarification at 12:14 : When you open different apps on the Nspire, you’re creating new pages in the *same* document. This is actually a very useful thing if you’re working a complex problem, because any functions or variables you create on a calculator page can be used on a plot page, or spreadsheet data can be used with a stats page, etc. It keeps all variables, calculations, functions etc in one multi-page document that you can save and return to later, and every page has access to stuff you’ve done on other pages.
If you open a new document, you get a fresh environment without any saved variables, data, etc.
I made use of this feature in my master’s degree for documenting some homework and even transferring it to the PC app where it could be printed. The spreadsheet app in the Nspire can solve equations recursively within its cells, which is something even Excel can’t do (unless you want to use VBA and solver macros).
Great comparison! I would add that when it comes to doing any matrix operations, the HP beats the snot out of the TI. The toolbox on the top row gives you access to all of it.
I had my first HP calculator 47 years ago - the predecessor to the HP45. That calculator was a basic scientific calculator that used HPs RPN notation. It used the same keys as the current Prime and lasted many years. I upgraded to the programmable HP29C and eventually to the HP41CX. All were great for their time.
I am currently using the TI84 because I work with high school math students, who use the TI -- but I certainly prefer the HP platforms.
I wasn't aware of the CAS and will look into it. I have currently been using Mathematica online - which obviously has much more computational capabilities.
15:15 I have both and holy crap that is the first thing that drove me crazy on the nspire! On the TI-89 you just hit the 2nd or diamond key and then the trig function you want on the either y, z, or t. Why did they change it?
This video actually helped pick the calculator I'm going to use for high school, HP prime all the way!
Now I know to save a few bucks and go with the HP Prime G2 instead of the Nspire CX2 CAS.
At 13:30 - i type it in WITHOUT the multiplication sign on my hp prime and it replaces it just like the Nspire.
Maybe you need a FW update? I have SW 2.1.14603 (2021 12 02), HW version D, CAS version 1.5.0, OS V2.060.650
A superb, insightful review, many thanks!
Could you mention the model numbers? I looked up HP Prime and there are several models.
Maybe links as to where I can find these sold?
Thank you!
I watched the whole review and my calculator is yet to determine the result of the first summation.
My HP-48 would be at the same stage!
good,,, pls suggest which machine can do indefinite triple integrals
I was also thinking about these two products, and I think it helped a lot. Maybe I should decide on hp. Do you still think hp is better?
What is the main difference between TI-nspire cx ii cas and TI-nspire cx-ii t cas?
The t version is "test" version. Some features are disabled to be allowed for tests in the us. Thats what i have gathered. And it looks pretty with red.
Thanks for the Review man. It was very helpful.
10:15-11:00 of the video I think is one reason why the TI-Nspire is the better, more expensive calculator. The fact that it does Numerical Analysis and Differential Equations is huge, although the HP has the ODE solver but that's not enough DE. The TI's python is a more sufficient way to programming. Also, I didn't see Prob & Stats on the HP but I'm sure it's capable since the basic TI-83 can do it. I'd say that for everyday use, the HP is good since it's really fast, but the TI has more ability and is a necessity.
I want to get one of these just to make my basic Algebra and Electronics classes more entertaining and fun.
How do you access the periodic table on the HP Prime ?
Is programming possible on the hp prime calculator?
Yes.
Did they stop making the HP prime? For some reason there aren’t many sellers selling it new and the price is up around $130
I'm glad I watched this but wished I didn't. I own (ti-89 titanium, nspire cx cas and nspire cx ii cas). Never considered the HP until now.
I come from using a ti-36 and a pencil to these machines. I'm in awe of what they can do.
HP needs to cut you a check. Good job on your review.
Can the HP prime save long calculation files or test calculations for later use or editing? I think if he doesn't, it would be a great weakness against Texas.
Can you must type "sin (" instead of going through the menu? Seems like a faster option.
HP PRIME 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Does the HP Prime Graphing Calculator Ii have features for Differential Equations ,Linear Algebra, Physics, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering. PS you have a great presentation
My first HP was the 15c and I loved that lil bugger. I’ve always loved HP calculators, however, I have used other brands as well and I have enjoyed them too.
My HP 15c is still going strong even after 40 years. Good luck with yours.
I'll agree with you mostly, and the Prime is looking really good, BUT. The last bit about the keyboard. That entirely depends. Not all users want/have to use trig functions every single day, or that often at all, but may use the calculator extensively for programming (and/or note taking). Programming or taking notes on a standard calculator keyboard is agony.
Menus are another choice some makers use for things, but I think the TI's solution of single button with quick menu is the best. Dedicated buttons take too much space and reserve spots from other functions that could be used instead. I much prefer the TI's one-button-menu for functions grouped together - HP could've done this even better with their touch screen capability. Click a button and tap screen. It's only a fraction of a second slower than dedicated button, uses way fewer buttons (thus releasing space for other things).
I really hope HP would come out with a "Prime II" model that had full keyboard, touchscreen and dedicated group buttons instead of individual.
TI can go cry in a corner with their touchpad though, I hate it. Even the clickwheel of the old nSpire was better.
The HP is so much better in almost every other way, but with it's "this is the way calculators looked in the 1960s" keyboard it's missing quite a lot of potential, in my opinion.
You can program buttons on hp prime to your liking
I think most people code on their computer and transfer the program to the calculator.
Then why not make the keyboard qwerty? I find the keyboard a real struggle to use.
@@jayballauer8353 Probably to make it possible to use in more scenarios. Most tests (in my country at least) disallow students to use a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.
Thanks for your amazing explanation. I was confused on what to pick, but of what you've illustrated, HP Prime is much better, I wonder if we can compare HP Prime vs Casio fx-CG500. But really thanks a lot for your video.
Its there a handheld calculator that does show the steps?
You are not being nit-picky; TI has always tried various keyboard layout system, which is yet to match the original Ti-83. Remember the Ti-92? While if felt like a cool gaming system, I still preferred the hp48GX system back in the days. Perhaps the attempt is to squeeze it all into a standard form factor.
The thing is that they all got it right the first time as calculator where not really designed around the QWERTY key layout; I could type as fast on the chronological keys. Oh how I wish the hp had retained RPL programming though. Nothing comes close to that to date. Great video by the way.
I always loved the calculator for their differences, and offcourse accepted the limitations. The Ti-85 took a bit further in the string manipulations; however, it was still no where close to the hp, without jumping into machine programming.
Though they did their things in the past, and lead the way before the smart devices, such as windows, palm, sybain and android. I still wonder the future of calculator.
The main idea is to be simple yet intuitive and sophisticated as needed.
14:50 I'm assuming the alphabetical keys are mainly for programming with python
Python was added at a later update although it can be used for that. The individual keys are for taking notes in a document or assigning variables.
Do the calculators give you the procedure of mathematical operations?
I just tried your sum benchmark on several other calculators. Both of your calculators are blazing fast in comparison. :D
The calc test @5:58 took 16.57918 minutes on my HP 48G. (time corrected)
can you do a video on python comparison between these 2?
can you make a video on advance graphing for the prime?
How about HP Prime vs Casio fx CG50 ?
Funny how HP Prime feels like a modern competitor to the Nspire while taking some design ques from the Ti-8x calculators via the buttons. Best of Both worlds in one.
I wonder if HP Prime has a Word Processor like how the Nspire has. (Better question is why Nspire even has Word Processor and Spreadsheets)
A lot of people wonder what even is the point but I love having a word processor on my calculator. It's fantastic for storing notes and some exams don't even require exam mode (at least here in the UK) so you don't even have to learn certain stuff when you can just put it on your calculator.
It would be nice if there was a backlight to the keys.
Yeah! Like Jean Edouard I am asking : what about the g2 ?
wow bro this really opened my eyes
Can I programme any function or a set of instructions in HP Prime?
I have and use both. Good assessment. The Prime (G2) is sweet to touch and manipulate for graphs, the nspire easier for keyboard programming on the go. They're both worlds away from my 40 year old HP15C (still a marvelous tool in its own right) and my TI-66 (glacially slow, but capable).
The HP seems the clear winner although I prefer the font & display layout of the TI. HP just needs a "prettyfy" routine to make expressions look nicer (e.g. italic letters for variables) like Casio does.
Which one is better from these two calculators??
For the developing of engineering apps what would you suggest?
Awesome comparison! Great video!
if you have time could you make a video for the HP Prime covering the Solv functionality? It does not seem to be consistent. For example, xTheta will provide a "a" or and "x", I would like to think it is the difference between CAS and Non CAS mode but I have seen an "x" appear in both modes. It just seems quite finicky compared to the TI NSpire which does a really good job of solving whatever you enter due to it's "AUTO" mode of operation switching between CAS and Non CAS operations on the fly. And why can you be in solve app then enter a solv function, modes of solv operations is confusing. Thoughts?
The character keys on NSpire are very useful when you calculate a term multiple times.
On Prime you need always to switch to alpha when storing a variable and the orange characters are very difficult to read when you wear glasses or have bad light conditions.
Great review many thx. Pls can you help. I am considering buying the ti cx2 cas but am held back by what i understand to be the only way to enter x, y, and z as variables. The ti famously has a full a to z keyboard below the central number keys. Ok some want that freedom of direct entry. But v heavily we are con erned only with the entry of a single letter as a variable, that is x, and possibly a y or z as a second. But the only placement of the x y z keys I see is at the extreme bottom of the keyboard. Would that not mean that as numbers are entered into the display the hand must make a jump of three inches down to select with difficulty the often needed x letter to input into the screen? Pls is there a another x key close close to the central number keys or another fluid way of inputting an x variable? Good day and thank you.
thanks - clear explanation of the differences
Thank you. Great video clip.
I just run the sum in Maxima and appears to agree with the ti's result. Can anyone confirm if that is the more accura result using any other software? I don't have easy access to anything else at the moment.
7:33 The Ti result is better. It shows a properly rounded result. I computed the result with 150 digits in the intermediate calculations
m@fedora:~$ cat 1.py
from mpmath import mp
mp.dps = 150 # Set precision to 150 digits
value = mp.mpf(0)
for x in range(1, 60001):
value += (mp.mpf(1) + mp.mpf(2) / mp.mpf(10000)) ** mp.mpf(x) / mp.mpf(x)
print(round(value, 10))
m@fedora:~$ python3 1.py
14953.1402009668
The last digit of the HP result is wrong:
14953.1401999
TI shows less digits, but the result is properly rounded:
14953.140201
Should it have a slide rule mode ? In case verification needed on complex function
I have both the HP Prime G2 and TI nspire CX II-T CAS. Personally, I get on better with the HP. I find it much easier and more logical to use. Working with it is also much smoother, because the TI generally works much slower.
The battery life is really better with the TI. Especially if you haven't used both calculators for a long time. The HP is nevertheless empty after 3 weeks (so when you come back from holiday, always remember to recharge). The TI can be left unused for 2 months without any problems, but the battery is still only minimally discharged (the TI seems to have a deep stand-by mode, because it has to reboot first).
I would still buy the HP Prime again and again. For me personally, it has the best overall concept (also with regard to the software for the PC).
I had an HP48G back in the day. Everything was done in 'reverse polish'. Eg. 100/2=5 was done by entering 100 2 divide. Is this the method of operation for the HP Prime?
Yes, you can put the HP Prime in RPN mode on the main calculation screen.
@@MathClassCalculator Thanks! Mine should be here tomorrow. ;)
Can you write programs on PC and then load them into HP Prime without purchasing $16000 software?
Tough choice, personally I like the physical key layout on the TI (lettered keys). If you every had to translate real world functions into a calc it is way easier to use the actual variable starting initial than have to back translate x, y, z, t variables for respectively a kv value or delta P, etc. Torn. Yes you can do that with the Prime, Rs and other letters, but the TI has is down for high level work. Note: the trig button is way better like this, having the ti-89, you are always looking for the dedicated sine, etc button this has it in one place. Personally, this is way better thought out in terms of layout.
Excellent comparison, and good reasons for using the hp .
How would someone do a function like say...input a formula into a column to apply into the next column. for example D2=D2^2 to make it actually calculate without giving an error message in 1 var stats?
It would be helpful to know what hardware version of the prime you are using since there are atleast three.
I think he's using a G2. In the App menu, there's the 3d graphing app, which was not available (I mean it was not installed at the moment of purchase) for the V2
@@peocaveo My prime is "Hardware Version: C" and includes the 3D graphing app. It's definitely not the G2.
@@charlessmith6412 I have a HV C and I dont have it!... :(
@@peocaveo It may be that I did an online update (poor memory on my part). For reference purposes my Software Version is 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16). CAS Version 1.4.9. Operating System V0.050.640. Also, I bought it from Amazon.com in May 2018. Anyway, good luck to you.
@@charlessmith6412 My firmware is older than yours. Now everything is clear! Thanks so much!
The original clickpad nspire had the alphabet keys in between the normal number keys but they do stick out further than the normal keys which creates accidental keypresses but sin cos and tan have their own dedicated buttons and the number keys feel in a much more natural place. Also the normal keys have this cool shape because of the alphabet keys in between
Also the Dpad was a cirle that acted like a normal Dpad as oppose to this weird trackpad nonsense they have now.
Really hate how they removed swappable controls in the new Nspire.
The summation test is a little deceptive. TI's CAS is based on Derive, a CAS for DOS/Windows that went through 6 versions. This does sums by first creating a large vector, then summing the elements of the vector. That is inherently slower than HP's approach which is likely just term by term. But the Derive approach is far more useful in a CAS context rather than just crunching numbers. If I want to crunch numbers I pull out the HP-50g which is similarly optimized for numerics. In practice I use Derive to manipulate Clifford algebras with their matrix representations. To put up with a slower summation formula is worth it because the CAS in Derive is absolutely superior in flexibility. You should point out the context of CAS vs. crunching. Also, it is almost surely possible to recast the TI expression to work around the CAS's limitations as a number cruncher.
Guys am I allowed to use the HP for my GCSEs?
I have both and like the HP the best. However I found it hard to find a battery for it.
I could be wrong, but I believe it is a Samsung S3 cell phone battery. Third party versions are easily found on Amazon.
@@kemalnottaturk2500 Yes, you are right, but none of the battery stores (Like Batteries Plus) carry them. They are hard to find on line also. I had to get one from China and it took a month to get it.
what is your opinion on Casio 991-EX ?
I wish the text buttons were in another color other than orange as they are hard to read.