Good vs. Bad Music
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2017
- My rant on what I think separates good from bad music.
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Born in the Manitoba prefecture of Canada, samuraiguitarist, Steve-san Onotera, honed his discipline under the study of the country's most powerful musical sensei.
"Lazy songwriting"
*cough cough* The Chainsmokers
YES!!! they're my least favourite band
ARRRGH!! I DESPISE THEM. One time I was listening to Skid Row on my discman on the bus and Livin' on a Chain Gang was what I was listening to.. and a really annoying preppy girl asked me what song I was listening to...at first I was shaken that she actually talked to me because she always gossips to her gaggle of friends about me being a devil worshipper (which I'm not) so I said Livin on a Chain Gang and she said "Omgee, that is like totally not a song, you're talking about the Chainsmokers which are like soo hawt" and I ALMOST punched her in the nose, but this snitch Joni was in the seat behind us and I could land a spot in the principal's office for the 6th time that month
I don't absolutely hate them, but they are definitely lazy songwriters
Johnny Mickem i think you missed the point of the video
Johnny Mickem no i would argue that its more the focus on image, as well as lazy production and songwriting that people put up with and buy hand over fist, that's destroying the industry. i think that even edm (which i dislike, for the record) has potential to be musically complex.
Bad music: When you break the music theory
Good music: When you break the music theory while knowing it
Sorry for bad eng
What is the music theory
@@nope4909 That even if it sounds awesome, you are wrong because you couldn't afford some fancy music school and can explain in a way noone else can understand some stuff about the crazy expensive equipment you need to make low bitrate mp3 file.
Music theory isn’t something that can be broken. It isn’t a set of instructions, it’s an analysis.
It just goes to show that music is very much subjective
Elitist
I really hate it when they rhyme a word with the same word, it just feels like the laziest thing you could do
Borislav Mihailov or use a word that doesn't rhyme at all.
Ein Walroß
But then it wasn't intended for rhyming at all.
If anyone rhymes "love" with "glove" again, I'm gonna garrote them.
hahahaha that sucks hard :P
Like Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang
Ringo for the win
+samuraiguitarist When he used the example of "In My Life" for technical drumming (2:23), I'm pretty sure it was a reference to a video called "How can you tell a good drummer and a bad drummer apart?" by Brandon Khoo. If you haven't watched it, you will understand the concept better that Samurai just put forward, as the song that Brandon used IS "In My Life".
Ringo for the Wingo
+BobHartleyGPS I was thinking of that exact video.
Gaius Flaminius bongo! (just joke, I really love The Beatles, I'm a friki of The Beatles)
If we're celebrating the Beatles I think that George deserves a shout-out too. His guitar-work is often praised for the same reasons Ringo should be.
I have to admit that I really dislike when people judge music by the artist's popularity.. And when people claim that only bands like Queen, Gun's and Roses, etc have the only "good music"... that blocks them to another genres and bands that have their own voice
Jose Oliveira Got to admit that is my pet peeve too, although I love and admire those bands you have mentioned.
Jose Oliveira: I know what you mean. Many of my favorote bands are ones that no one had ever heard of and they more talented than most famous people.
Timliu92 Actually, it's pretty good if you like them, but restricting yourself to just listen to known bands is what I think should be avoided (I used to do it myself)
Cheng Liu At least you know something that other people don't see ;)
I really am trying to open myself to new things because I am (trying not to be) the person that claimed anything was good if it was a Rock band from the 50's-00's. But I am starting to respect some smaller bands, rap artists etc.
This also includes actually reading about the bands and getting to know actual details from their hey-day due to the fact that people may know the guitarists and what-not but they don't know the full details. So I try to read what I can when I can about any artists.
Bad music, for me, is music that is insincere. If the person doesn't love what they're doing and that isn't the REAL number one reason for them doing it then it's bad. I don't consider musical ability to be important without sincerity. Sincere musicians who aren't technical win over great technical players with no soul.
Also there are always exceptions.
I "mostly" feel the same way, but I know for a fact there are insincere songs I love, and songs I hate specifically for being "too sincere," if you know what I mean. Sometimes it's just all in the details.
How do you gauge sincerity? It seems to me you'd have to assume you know what's going on in the artist's head. I don't assume artists are sincere - if by sincere you mean genuine. I assume they're all performing/putting on an act.
Of course I have to assume, you are absolutely right. If they're singing 12 different love songs about differing situations but they're twelve or they're singing about divorce without being married though then that's a big clue that they're not writing from-ahem!- the heart.
Mostly I mean their motivations or at least what they seem to me to be. If it seems, and yes I will be assuming here, that they are in it for fame and fortune then I will find myself not liking the music even if it's technically brilliant (Mylene Klass, anyone?) but if I feel they love what they do and would do it regardless of remuneration and credit then I will find myself liking it, more often than not.
Obviously, I am going to be wrong a lot of the time and it's a bit of a pretentious way to go about judging things but it is what I do. Assumption and all.
arcanics1971 You know you don't always have to write lyrics about yourself, don't you?
Or if they're being fake, playing a charecter and acting as if it's their real self, or if the music flat out has no soul.
Wether it be if the music is made using an algorithm, autotune is unironically used, or simply if the artist lacks any artistic ability or is a hack.
Sometimes I get put off by an artist if they think too highly of themselves or think that they're a genius.
Kanye comes to mind...
"When in doubt, think... What would Ringo do?"
That's a philosophy we should all follow right there.
I hate technicality for the sake of being difficult. Seriously, quit showing off and make your music sound good instead of seeing how many half-beat hiccups you can make your drummer play.
But there are people who ENJOY music that you would consider "techincal for the sake of being difficult". For example I love pieces of music like CAFO by animals as leaders, I think it sounds good, while you would likely claim its only technical to be technical, and if thats still too melodic for you I enjoy listening to technical death metal, I like the way it sounds, just accept musicians who are writing the music they want to write.
KnapfordMaster98 I'm just going to say "Rings of Saturn" and leave it at that. (Whole subgenre of death metal that is technical for the sake of it, I.e technical death metal)
Callum McGillivray you haven't really explored Rings of Saturn's music if you think it's just technical for the sake of technical.
like no way, there's entire sections of their music which is chilled out ambient music before bringing you into something slam influenced
TheClikcerGaming thats fine, just realize that just because it's your opinion doesn't make it true. The vast majority probably disagree with you and your niche taste.
SendHelp Too true, it's a 'not all' case but Rings of Saturn is the only technical death band I could think of. I'm usually into melo death haha
Mumble rap. Hate it with a burning passion.
at least you can't tell how bad the lyrics are with mumble wrap.
I feel like a lot of people don't understand the artistic value in "mumble rap", because they aren't analyzing the correct elements of the music itself. Let's take Playboi Carti's Die Lit for example. Lyrically, it's nothing new, but the music itself is very great. The production is almost psychedelic, and very repetitive. The way Carti uses not only his voice but his mouth as an instrument is amazing. His adlibs are almost like the percussion of the music. Great album, would recommend.
@@indieWellie huh fr
As I think of all art, anything can be art. The only thing needed is a receptor to resonate with emotionally.
Whether is good or bad relies on its creator/s, and their ability to use art as a recipient of their own message.
If someone finds something meaningful in a piece that was meaningless to the creator, does that make the piece good?
For example, if I drew a bunch of scribbles for no reason and someone has an emotional connection it, does that make the scribbles an abstract masterpiece?
Of course it makes it good (actually it depends on "the meaning").
Would the art not be a recipient but rather a projection of their message?
the over use of autotune
depends how you use it, many people use it in creative and interesting ways to pull off effects that regular vocals can't achieve,
its bad when its just lazily thrown on there to compensate for lack of effort.
@@sidtv2542 yeah I agree. It's OK if it's part of the style. It's not when you use it because you're too lazy to put in the effort to learn how to sing properly
Using auto tune at all is over using it, IMO
Laurance Emory kanyes 808s and heartbreak, one of the most influential albums ever, really introduced the autotuney sound to mainstream rap and impacted music a lot and although u may not be a fan of that style of music u cant objectively say its bad
I kinda see it like an art
So I thought about this a little more... I think that you can generally say that any music (or actually any artform) that you consider "bad" has at least one of these qualities:
-bad performance
-lack of authenticity
-lifelessness/ emotionlessness
-nothing interesting about it
Of course any one of these doesn't necessarily ruin a piece. A bad performance of something really interesting and authentic can still be very good because of its artistic value. A good performance can sometimes save a boring piece but that is usually because the performer adds life, authenticity or interesting elements where there originally were none.
Different people's tastes are different of course, so what I think is ruined because I consider it unauthentic might still be appreciated by others for the way it is performed. But if a piece of music meets all of these criteria, people will probably agree that it sucks.
I think that this is a pretty consistent way of explaining what is wrong with anything that you think is "bad music" ;)
What do you think?
I think you are spot on
Ringo didn’t take the back seat. Abbey Road has some of the best drumming of all time
My musical pet peeve is songs with only 2 verses and no bridges that have 3 or more chorus's and/or songs with way to much repetition of the chorus compared to the verses/bridges. This is because I think the verse is the best part of the song.
Darkmonsterccc Amen! The story of the song should be in the verse! Too many songs these days seem to just keep repeating the chorus or hook over and over again and completely skimp out on the verses!
Gavin Berry No kidding right? That's why I I've decided to make every song I right have a good amount of verse's
Darkmonsterccc verse and bridge are always the best parts for most songs
Maximus russo there's always someone like you "not a great guitar player.... "
Honestly, I think it's even worse when those songs have a bridge.
Artists that stick to that rigid formula will generally add a bridge out of obligation rather than inspiration, so it often ends up being the weakest part of the song.
"There's no such thing as bad music!"
"I love you. You love me. We're a happy family-"
"I stand corrected."
Tiny J wrong
Wrong
Absolute banger
wrong
I absolutely LOVE Nirvana! Kurt Cobain's guitar playing, while not THAT technical, is what kept me playing! They have been my favourite band for long now :)
Selectionater I learned smells like teen spirit in less than 5 minutes.
Same. But difficulty isn't always what's inspiring :)
Selectionater yea, it's a great song, just a bit easy.
No doubt about that haha! :D
Cobain was a great songwriter and atypical chord integrator.
When artists are more focused on perfection than feeling it. Real heart and passion can be a little rough around the edges. You can tell when art flows from deep inside.
My musical pet peeve is when musicians do it for fame, and not for music. *cough* danny worsnop *cough*
I don't know much about him. How does he show this?
How do I know what? He himself stared all he cares for is booze, drugs and women. And how it was made matters. If you make music for money & fame it won't have soul.
Anyway, that's my opinion. If you disagree I'm not gonna try and convince you.
Except that doesn't matter, because Ed wouldn't say that.
Fame, maybe; money, no. Some musicians love music enough to want to make a career out of it regardless of what they're playing (such as myself). If you music is your profession, it is not simply a passion, it is also a job that has to be maintained. Don't for a second act like the money doesn't matter at whatever job you go to everyday. If you're trying to make a living using your passion, money is not antonymous with soul.
Danny can sing and in my opinion he is more versatile than others. Drugs money and girls that's rock n roll. I don't care about his personal life but he is a good musician
Love your channel man!
I couldn't agree more about trying to find something to like in *every* genre - I've tried to do that myself. BTW, thanks for turning me on to First Aid Kit! :-)
My new pet peeve is in almost EVERY guitar, pedal, amp review or demo video on UA-cam, inevitably the person providing the review or demo will spend a minute, or two minutes or five minutes or more showing off their "guitar skills". I'd rather know about the tone of the amp or guitar or pedal, etc. I mean, I understand people getting "lost" in a new sound, but really dude, just play a big fat A chord on all the settings, or a 10 seconds or less of soloing to show the tone of a particular pickup, etc. It doesn't take long to hear how the rig sounds. BUT NO, instead every review or demo video is shred city ad infinitum! (End of rant).
Keep up the good work Sensei!
I really don't see this except with the ones commonly found used in the hard rock and metal genres.
This is what I say all the time... When people ask me what I listen to my answer is always: "good music."... And I mean it! I'm a bassist and I can play drums and guitar, too... I'm not good at guitar and drums, though but I consider myself a good musician and I can tell when a song is interesting and unique enough to be called good... And I'm definitely able to identify lazy songwriting!
Now I listen to a lot of japanese music. I don't care if it's metal, rock, funk or even reggae/ska, as long as it sounds interesting and well composed. The reason why I like japanese music is, because they really love fancy basslines. I also listen to the group Morning Musume that has a lot of great disco funk songs but also EDM stuff. And I couldn't care less what other people might say about "pop music" because there is no such genre as "pop"... It simply means that it is popular music that is played on the radio. But the music itself is very special, well written and awesome. Just listen to the bassline of "utakata saturday night" and you know what I mean.
Same goes to Katy Perry's songs. I don't know who her songwriter is but he (or she) is doing a hell of a job. You can like it or not but you have to aknowledge the almost perfect compositions. And just because I can tell, when a song is good doesn't mean, that I'm a fan of it. Some songs are well written but I simply don't like one aspect of it... The voice, the used instruments, samples or whatever. Taste in music is subjective and we all should be more open to new things and we should definitely be more tolerant...
Finally a sensible person.
Yes, the Japanese love their basslines. I've always noticed Japanese songs, especially their pop songs, are quite complex and has a shit ton of musicality.
huge fun . Real inspiration thank you !
Great enlightenment, samurai!
Autotune and overproduction are killing music. That is why I can't stand modern mainstream studio records and listen either live records, some obscure stoner bands or just old pre-digital era stuff.
That's not objective.
@@biivamunner3122 yeah it isn’t
@@biivamunner3122 Technically, the slow decline of actual physical instrumentation/singing, and chord progressions, etc, is all stuff that can and has been measured.
@@tomemeornottomeme1864 Yes, but that doesn't give you a reason to override anyone's tastes.
@@biivamunner3122 I'm saying that if modern music can be technically proven "worse" then the opinion that it's bad gains a bit of ground to stand on. Of course some modern music is absolutely incredible, but I think we're talking just the Top 40.
Always get the nail on the head there, samurai.
I used to jam with a drummer who had an extremely well developed "arsenal" of moves he could pull off. Unfortunately, he could never just listen the song as a whole. He would put a magnifying glass to every drum track on a song, and if it was any kind of simple, easy beat, he would declare that the song was trash.
Such a shame.
Reid Flemming Technicality is nothing without an ear for the music as a whole, that is unless you want to impress people at the side of a street.
Steve you're hilarious and your stuff in always on point I swear.
Your videos are very interesting, and they get into such deep topics. soooooooo I subscribed :)
Shitty pop music, which will probably disappear soon. The Internet will kill the day of top 40s only stations.
Pizaz0 Im waiting for the emo age to return
@@joramvannoort8899 it has returned but not in the same form
Top 40 stations hardly even play top 40 anymore. There are so many internet niches that pop radio stations around me do throw back Thursday almost every day and play those poppy catch shit from 5-10 years ago.
"I asked for water, she brought me gasoline" howlin wolf couldnt have sang that with more emotion and power. I miss hearing music thats passionate. There are a number of bands where you can truly feel their music and it sets them apart from the rest.
It should be required homework if you will to study and really feel some performances of Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Chris Cornell, Gary Moore, BB King, etc. to me they are perfect examples of pure and passionate performances.
Whether you are into blues or not i think its important to feel what you play more than anything.
I love all of your videos.
I appreciate the packaging of a song, or the way the song is presented to its audience. Everything from the title to the cover of the single/album contribute. When we move to albums, overall packaging and presentation is especially important. Arrangement of songs as well as topics, themes, and tones and occasionally story telling mean a whole lot. Alongside that, I do enjoy when the cover and title of that album correlate to the content. I am a sucker for a good album cover. Visual art to accompany the auditory art.
Just some musical examples in case you dont fully understand his "complaints"
1) Lacking skill/style doesnt fit: Limp Bizkit vocalist "shredding" the guitar
2) Not serving the song: Kerry King and Kirk Whammett doing their signature moves all the time without serving the song (widdly-widdly-wah! and wah's respectfully; dont get me wrong, I like them, but they dont serve the song most of the time when they do this)
3) Poor writing: Nickelback ("look at this 'graph"; which is a shame because he the vocalist doesnt have a bad voice as seen in Santana's Into the Night)
4) Misrepresentation of the song: playing any rebellious punk song but being pro-establishment and etc.
I'm pretty sure Bohemian Rhapsody was mentioned on purpose. (cough)Kanye(cough)
I like his complaints, they make a lot of sense to me and I basically share the same thoughts.
Meh, I think Kirk Whammet has had some very good solos that fit perfectly in the song. Best examples would be "fade to black" and "One".
I have no idea what you're talking about, Fred Durst's guitar solo is one of the best things I've ever heard in my life
Tony Iommi, Randy Rhoads, and Marty Friedman would be better examples of great solos. Kirk's nervous vibrato and some out-of-tune bends doesn't fit the song. He's made good solos, but the way he played them made the solos overrated. Kirk is good, but he's nowhere near the three masters.
Very well said! My musical pet peeve is when record labels take: models, auto-tune, porn, the C major scale, ableton, studio instrumentalists, fashion designers, CGI experts, and a team of highly trained sociological-based marketers; mix them all together; and then start shaking hands with corporations that fund entire campaigns designed to completely shift global trends, but disguised in the "free-spirit" of music. All the while, [the industry barons] brainwashing the masses into believing their music is the "best" by borderline-coercive advertisement means of: bandwagon, association, repetition, and an entire facade of both "expert" and seemingly "democratized" justification as per venues like; American Idol, The Grammy Awards, The "People's Choice" Awards,, The Billboard Awards, The Voice, and most action-packed Hollywood blockbuster movies that make a billion dollars at the box office, and no one remembers next year or any other year for that matter.
That's my biggest pet peeve. =o(
...and run on sentences.
love your vids
Awsome man
Biggest musical Pet Peeve: people who unironically write about who cool or awesome or attractive or famous they are. I see this trait most common in mainstream Rap but Headstrong by Trapt is a good example of this outside the rap genre
I feel as though you havent really listened to the words of Headstrong because that is no where near where the lyrics of Headstrong go in the song. The songs about resisting being put down and pushing for your goals regardless of what's put on you.
Personally if it’s written well I like those sorts of songs
@@jackieAZ Same.
"be autentic" part is the reason I like so much The Beastie boys. They weren't trying to be gansta and stuff, they where on their own category.
2:45 the line "you can't be something you're noooooot" from Walk played through my head here
I love Green Day and GnR but I also love one smaller band, Cage The Elephant. Really love the diversity in their songs and all the energy Matt (singer) has on stage. Something like young Jagger
My biggest musical pet peeve is when a band sounds like a bunch of blatant amateurs. I've heard some great bands with tiny followings, such as Pulse, Lustravi, Mortichnia, and Recreated. What sets these apart from wannabes who will never get fans is that they each have intelligent approaches to songwriting, and they churn out music that might not be perfectly unique yet still sounds fresh and inspired. When I think of amateur bands, I think of ones that listen to a heavy band that has lots of screaming, distortion, and breakdowns, and they think, "Oh, we can do that!" As a result, they throw away all of the nuance that their inspirations had and just write very generic post-hardcore, metalcore, deathcore, death metal, emo, screamo, etc. It sounds heavy and has plenty of screams and breakdowns, yet none of it matters because it lacks substance.
MeowTheRainbowX i honestly would never expect someone here to know lustravi lol
+Raúl Pérez Yeah, The Metal Monster is great, so I had to check out his band. I really like it.
MeowTheRainbowX Death Metal is great,anything with "Core" is garbage check out Death and their later more progressive albums, you seem like a hippy when you think only people who are allowed to play guitar is jazz and blues players, Metal has some of the greatest riffs ever written i suggest you start broadening your horizons mate.
Quintin Kotze I think you misunderstood. What he meant was that there are lots of bands in metal that just play whatever their influences were playing without knowing why they did it. They only care about the heaviness of a song. The reason he complains is probably because he loves the genres he mentioned but then saw how they got flooded with generic bands that don't even understand the music they play.
holy .sauron definitely agree with that though some bands like morbid angel definitely pulled of the heavy fast death metal style riffing especially on an album like Covenant. But in genres like metal and deathcore where it is mostly a generic wave of bands that do the same time and time again, idk if you know opeth but they were one of the mands that did metal in an original style and you couldn't really hear any influence until recently with newer albums
Yes art is subjective but music is especially so. How much? Well:
I was looking for something new listen to. So I looked up Rolling Stone's top 50 albums of all time. Because I normally don't like music the first time I hear it I proceeded to listen to all of these albums, over and over, for the following 9 months.
After this time I found ONE song I liked. Paranoid Android by Radiohead ☹️
Rolling Stone is a joke for the music, if you want genuine lists of best albums of all time go to RYM
Currently reading John illsley s book from dire straits, the original drummer pick withers was fantastic but John mentioned an incident while they were touring America in 1979 , they were just getting noticed in America so it was important to be on form , 1night the band were playing a song called where do you think you are going , this song starts slow but builds up speed at the end , pick controlled the pace of the song , but on this particular night and without warning pick slow down the drum beat when it was supposed to get faster , as you you can imagine this did not go down well with Mark knopfler, looks like pick was getting sick of just being the drummer and wanted more say , this is a perfect example of not letting the song go it's natural way , it caused havok and a pretty tense dressing room afterwards
I like all genres I remember when I was a naive high school kid all I listened to was the music I thought was good but I grew to realize as along as someone likes a certain genre or song then it's good maybe not to you or me but it's good to someone and instead of criticizing it and shaming the people who listen to it I learn from it and learn what makes that song/genre good to people and add it to my musical toolbox. Some people may hate Taylor swift and think she is the epitome of what is wrong with music and that's what a close minded person would think I think she has a great voice and a wonderful sense of melody and learned from her songs to
Improve my own
My pet peeve is when teenage producer wannabes use serum presets and make "the best dubstep or trap."
1. They are using someone elses sounds and calling it their own.
2. They dont put any effort into making the song actually sounding genuine. No emotion or thought, just copy and play whats trending.
3. Most of them dont even use anything more complex than 2 pitches and quarter notes.
If you grab a pedal board metallica used and you make a song with that board is it not your song and your own sounds? So what if they use presets. You are adding your own twists. That would be a stepping stone to help create better music.
do you like death grips?
Name 3 good death grips songs. I'll have a listen
I like their latest release - Steroids - quite a bit. I think you'd like them if you like drum and bass.
Listened to some of it and honestly, it's shit. Makes me have a headache.
Not the steroids album. Didn't find it on youtube or spotify so found some of their older stuff.
Some forms of music you have to ease into. If you haven't had exposure to drum and bass, hard core electronic music or hard core punk Death Grips are likely to baffle you.
Thank you for acknowledging Ringo!
Excellent, I think you and I would get along quite well. I heard BB King say it in an interview, ie There are only 2 types of music, good and bad... Those words have now stuck with me forever and will remain one of the wisest pieces advice that will guide me for the rest of my life.
Good has little to do with what I like in and of itself, it is an intrinsic and measurable thing. Rhythm and good time, in tune and in key, coherent and musical etc. Weather it is a musical score for a film or a one man band. Objectivity is key and if you are honest to yourself and others, you can grow through understanding how deep that good or bad statement truly can be, (if wielded correctly).
Good:Metal-rock-grunge Bad: rap country and pop
You shouldn't close your minds to entire genres, that's what he literally says in the video. Country has amazing musicians like Johnny cash and Townes van zandt and rap also has great artists like Kendrick Lamar, mos def, Lauryn hill, and pop has Kate Bush and Michael Jackson.
@@renblais1274 well that's what I prefer. New rap new country and new pop there you done crying. I think rap is ass in general it's so gay.
@@Nile8765 you sound like a 12 year old who barely listen to music
@@weabooslayer7007 lmao. you are so funny. i listen to meshuggah, alice in chains, nirvana, cannibal corpse, nile, stp, slayer, metallica, megadeth, in this moment, dean mart, led zeppelin, cryptopsy, type o neg, the animals, the Beatles, avatar, jinjer, gojira, arch enemy, a7x, behemoth, etc etc. I listen to music when i wake up, on the bus, between classes, during study halls, and the end of school day, when i get home, when i play games, go outside, do chores, doing homework etc. just this month i have 3500 minutes listened to on spotify and thats not even counting other streaming services. I go to live concerts, have cd's from my favorite albums, and i have metal shirts. So no, i listen to music a lot. Plus how can you hear me only by reading a digitized comment?
@@weabooslayer7007 though i will cut you a break because you are probably under the impression that rap is pure talent and you like persona. i like persona
Pink Floyd are the GODS though
Giyan Scheers atom hart mother
Nope
Giyan Scheers Stop
Alice in Chains Yes they are
Giyan Scheers YES!!!
American Idol used to be rough on musicians, now it actually fosters them and tries to help them learn and grow. It's actually very inspiring now.
Wow I watched all of your videos, this surely one of the best! So accurate, I loved the example with giant steps. Keep it up!
I don't like Nirvana either. Nothing against them, or anyone who does like them, but I just don't.
Joey Johnson Chill bro/sis, we all have opinions, Kurt Cobain sang,"Opinions, It's good if you have one"
*NiRVanA FaNBiOs AtTAck YoU CausE u OffEnD TheIr NiRVanA CuLtuRE*
_A LOT_ of people hate Nirvana, which makes me wonder how they got so famous in the first place.
@@LOOMING_WRAITH_OF_BAD_OMEN eh honestly not Nickleback level though
LOOMING WRAITH OF BAD OMEN every single successful band has a large group of people that despise them and nirvana is no different
Nirvana is really good once you get passed teen spirit and come as you are. Rape me, drain you, breed, milk it, and very ape are their greatest songs, making them my second favorite band. Granted, they have no bad songs, but these songs and songs with similar qualities are amazing.
Nugie what is your first favourite ?
Listing great, lesser known Nirvana songs and not mentioning You Know You're Right should be illegal.
Blew? School? Negative Creep? their first album was packed with some awesome and wicked shit maaan
987P123 the first album is good but not my favorite. School is the best song tho it's lit af
WRAITH I don't like that song
Thanks..also well done with the comment about Mr Starr..he served the song ( love that phrase) and some of the unique subtleties of the Beatles music might not have been so noticeable or profound if Ringo had been more of an egoist.
About time Ringo gets some appreciation! He’s amazing, and not many people realize it!
you can thank quincy jones for being one of the people who started the ringo hate train. he may've been a great producer, but he is elitist af.
Big musical pet peeve is how so many musicians seem to cover rock songs that aren't too good in my mind because of it being so over played. Such as Seven Nation Army, Smoke on The Water, and Enter Sandman.
I love "Enter Sandman," but Seven Nation Army" is very overrated. It has a simple and catchy riff, and then the rest of the song is just meh. I expected so much more upon hearing that riff.
MeowTheRainbowX its easily worst stripes song imo, so much better tracks on that album to choose from
Magic Man while I like the song I do kinda agree with that...
You take that back. Seven Nation Army is great. The Nurse, on the other hand...
Enter sandman is pretty overrated. That said, I do like it. I really don't like Seven Nation Army just as a song.
My musical pet peeve is cliché lyrics. I love abstract lyrics that make you think and wonder what they mean. Chris Cornell is most likely my favorite lyricist of all time. RIP Chris 😞
Michael Carson I am sorry but you are a Michael Jackson fan and you complain about "cliche lyrics"? the irony
@@ecliptik8020 His lyrics aren't completely cliche.
Unless your definition of cliche is literally anything that takes less than 5 seconds to understand the meaning of.
For me. It's when I hear songs with lyrics that are mostly about drugs and money. There's one exception, however. Even though it was censored in the clean version, "You're Going Down" by Sick Puppies has a single line that features that, and it makes me cringe every time, but I still love the song as I love the beat and the rest of the lyrics.
My musical pet peeve is
-Flanged/phased intro for 4 bars
-main riff for 4 bars
-verse
-chorus
-verse
-chorus
-Bridge
-First 2 bars of chorus done without guitars
-guitars return for remainder of chorus
-final chorus, modulated up one step
-main riff for 4 bars, ending on a held power chord that fades out
So, you haven't heard reggeton I'm guessing? Yes you can hate a complete genre. :p
Especially when it can be resumed in a SINGLE song.
Just gonna @ today's pop music real quick . . . I think that sums up bad music
Thomas Edsall haha pop bad 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹someone please talk to me😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
One MAJOR THING that can make any genre bad is when the Music Industry is trying to force it down our throats and we as individuals feel deep down in our hearts that the music is terrible.
Set it for you, but not everyone feels the same way.
Agree with you on almost everything, I like especially musicians with "a soul", who give it to the music
Well said. Craftsmanship is the absolute definite criterion that renders a creation worth of being taken seriously. Independently of personal liking. When someone is a virtuoso in what he does it doesn't matter whether I like it or not. The skill is there and must be respected. Bottom line is that virtuosity is not a matter of opinion. Fact.
"Baby"
If you use the word "babe" or "baby" in your song...
BLEGH!
Kailo Ren unless you are actually talking about a legit baby 😂
Nope! Infant, child, Kinder Egg human...
NOT BABY, BABY!
Kailo Ren Whoa man, have you ever heard "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by Led Zeppelin? Now that's a great song.
Kailo Ren so you just called every Led Zeppelin song bad? You need help sir
Basically if you aren't Zeppelin, don't use it
The thing that pisses me off the most is meaningless rap. Rap that is only about sex and drugs. This lazy writing makes it hard to find actually talented rappers.
Ik, I just want good meaningful rap that has a good rhythm.
Ms Dynamite complained about this in her song It Takes More which came out in 2002.
I like simplicity while playing songs with basic chords or 7th or 6th chords.Often my teachers say that for me as a cover guy with a good voice simplicity with playing in time and chords choice is the way to go. also they say that i dont have to be great guitarist ,and i should refine the skills that i learned for the last couple of years in order to be pleasent and entertaining performer. people say that i'm a cohen/dylan/sinatra performer and i agree it suits me,my personality and my music taste.thanks for your work samuraiguitarist.
I believe that lyrics of a song really speaks to me. itcan tell a story and or display some sort of emotion. I believe writing music is an art but also is therapy for most like myself. I love songs that can speak to me and has great lyrics to and a pet peeve more or less something that upsets me is when someone gets studio records a few songs and only uses the simpiclity of music with lyrics that happened to have no character at all to the point it might have the same words repeated over and over and over again. I believe that great music necessary doesn't have to lyrics but when it does that the lyrics mean something gives the song meaning which some songs without lyrics can display that but you either do it right or just don't do it at all. I don't know if im the only one but if not hey that's great.
90% of people around me listens to music they like, but they know the quality of that is shitty. I simply do not understand that.
Crazy drummer They like shit.
Exactly. And they are aware. But they don't care.
Let them be lol.
Crazy drummer at least they're aware of that.. most people aren't so lucky :)
They're happier about it than you, that's for sure.
Its simple
Good: Africa By Toto
Bad: Everything else
I say you hit the major points, but I'll add two more of my "peeves".
Timbre: Many musicians can play well, but haven't tuned into what sound lends itself to their playing style, or have a disregard for what playing style timbres are evocative of.
Phrasing/timing: Speaks for itself, but a major thing I notice many musicians overlooking.
There are those who play their instrument, and those that play the song. Ringo being the example you gave of the latter.
So much fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Heaviness for the sake of heaviness. This includes the dreaded death grunt. I feel like a lot of hardcore metal bands out there substitute melodic vocals with the death grunt for lack of vocal skill or lyric writing. Not saying grunting is bad. Bands like in flames and bodom do it well because they have melody in their riffs that a lot of hardcore bands fail to comprehend and exaggerate on the heaviness cause they think making their music incomprehensible saves them from incompetence
During the video, I kept thinking, yeah, that's Kanye West, over and over again. Butchered Bohemian Rhapsody, ripped off Ray Charles and King Crimson. I straight up dislike all that he stands for. Nothing he ever did, musically or otherwise, ever tempted me to listen to any of his productions other than those that were shoved down my ears, anyway. So I might not be qualified to call his music bad due to lack of knowledge about the subject matter, but to me, that guy represents everything that is wrong with music today.
As other comments already mentioned, it all comes down to how genuine something is. And I think that is a very tricky subject. I think it depends on how much authnticity the author of a song claims to have. If that's not convincing, the whole performance crumbles, which makes a song pretentious, but no necessarily bad. In this case, I think, you would have to see the performer and the song as two different things. Just because the author/performer does a bad job at delivering the song, it doesn't necessarily mean the song itself is bad. I could go on and on with pros and cons, but, as I said, I think it's a difficult subject worth discussing.
That's not really a fair assessment of Kanye's work. Admittedly, the Bohemian Rhapsody thing was a bit of a mess but tons of his music is genuine, and it's absurd to say that sampling is the same as ripping off. Even if it was, that King Crimson sample is like two seconds long and only plays 3 times in the 5 minute track anyhow.
Sampling isn't "ripping off". Please attempt to immerse yourself in the history of hip hop and what the genre stands for. Approaching the genre as one approaches metal and rock isn't how you should be going about this.
his whole discog is more than quite good.
nopety nope
maybe you just get your opinions from online media rather than listening to his music actually and the sample in power like Ciaran said its like 2 seconds long and i agree with Ciaran about Rhapsody part being horrible too.
he’s one of the most innovative artists of all time but ok
love u man
YES! Ringo is greatly unappreciated! Amazing man and drummer!
One word: autotune
lmfao no.
look what Travis Scott did, he integrated auto-tune into his sound and made it so unique.
Phillip Eden-Pham uniquely shit
Phillip Eden-Pham uniquely shit
I like voice filters that make vocals sound trippy and distorted but pop music audiotund sucks.
I am sick of people hating on hiphop. I mean i was there i was listening only to guitar music, but when i got to actually fun and relatable albums i discovered that i was wrong whole time. Think wider! Tool is loved by many despite Maynard being such of egocentric person and people still are saying (i was one of these people too) Kanye's music is shitty. I recommend to listen to College Dropout (songs like Family Business are masterpieces). Its really good start to whole genre because kanye was first new non-gangsta mainstream rapper and you can listen to it without cringing about things you hate in rap. The lyrics are clever and funny and its perfect production
And dont hate on my grammar etc. i am from Poland and i learned english myself :D
Edit:When i started i was tracking every hip hop song on genius, great way to catch all metaphors and references
Which of Kanye's lyrics are clever or funny? "I ain't saying she's a gold digger"? It depends of your world view, I guess. I've never heard him say anything that impressed me - on record or off.
+Erline Andrews Yeah personally I think Kanye is incredibly overrated, I just don't understand what people see in his music. I know the guy has won a shit tonne of awards but wtf his music just seems so shite to me. Would love someone to explain why he's praised by so many.
His sampling, mixing and arrangement of that album was what people said made him a "genius". I'm stunned anyone would use the word genius in the same sentence as his name.
Erline Andrews 'Oh my god, is that a Black Card?'
I turned around and replied, why yes but I prefer the term
African American Express.
From Kanye West's last call.
you can't talk about the under appreciated musicality of hip hop without mentioning a tribe called quest. They're tight as any band
I think that's a great way to sum it up- the two quickest paths to bad music are reaching too far beyond your skill set and being inauthentic. Thanks.
Usually I don't write comments, but there's something so ask. Talking about ripoff, there is a lot of examples out there, when big artist takes something from unknown and not famous artist, is it an example for good music considered by some artist to take or just meaning that bad artist don't have enough talent to create something on their own?
Thank you for your videos, and I hope to see more of it to come :)
I don't like not knowing what the artist is saying, which is why I tend to stray from heavy metal at times (even though I love the melodical parts) and often force myself to listen to it several times or even research the lyrics to enjoy the song
Erik Klepp I agree. Metal with more clean/melodic vocals is fine for me, but the growling/screaming stuff gets me. The most I can tolerate is probably around AC/DC levels of vocals (and I know that's not that heavy but it's pretty much all I can stand as far as that vocal style).
2 of my musical pet peeves
1. Mentioning their name on every freaking song. (Looking at you Dj Khaled.)
2. Autotune (dear God when will it stops?)
"(dear God when will it stops?)"
I hate to be a grammar nazi, but...
if it makes you feel better, i also believe the ringo thing. as a drummer, i often ask myself if I'm being overly complex when something simpler could fit the song better.
I love you for saying what you’ve said
To be honest man, my musical pet peeve is when somebody generalizes a genre without giving all of it in its entirety a chance. Like you said, musical maturity.
The fan base of some bands is definitely worse than the band also. Like for example, people who follow bands not for the music but for the image, like, slipnot or ICP or metallica. Slipnot may have a couple interesting riffs but it doesn't sound appealing to me and the fan base is trying to hard to be scary. ICP just pain sucks in every aspect. Every single aspect. And even though Metallica used to stand for something, they don't anymore and anybody with a pair of sunglasses and a shirt with flames on it will tell you they like Metallica to see edgy and cool, when it's just a fad.
Music is the language of the soul. It is what drives you and moves you. It soothes you and helps you express emotion that you may have difficulty facing.
I guess what I'm saying is, there are bad bands, and bands can have bad intentions, but most of the time, people who don't completely understand music listen to it for the wrong reasons, thus creating a bad fan base and turning me off to the genre.
Country
(except johnny cash and soul bluegrass)
Rap
(except those who rap to express their strong emotions and try to get a message across instead of simply doing it for the money and women or trying to look cool)
Kurt Cobain never liked attention or showing off.. His lyrics are pretty complex..
David Mora apart from Mexican seafood and some other songs, people praise him as the "John Lennon" of his time but not a lot of his songs had big meanings but he did have good lyrics.
Actually, I have an impression that he couldn't hold on a theme for more than four verses. He had some brilliant lines here and there, but nearly all of his lyrics were butchered towards the end. However, his will was really well written and heartfelt. I guess that both lyricwise and compositionwise he was lazy author to some extend, but that might also be a homage to groups like Flipper, and certainly is part of what made him such an icon. And, believe me, as someone who attempts at being an experimental artist of sorts, I can clearly see showing off behind his "not showing off" attitude. Been there, done that. Albeit, of course, in front of 20-30 people.
"What would Ringo do?" that's genius!
It's up to the individual to decide what's good or bad
Nirvana rules, Honest music
agreed
When people let the political or religious views of artists get in the way of their talent. aka Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, etc etc.
Ted is one of the great blues/rock guitarists of the 70's and should be revered as such, yet he gets flack because he doesn't follow.
Same with Gene. He isn't a virtuoso, but he is a solid bassist.
If an artist becomes associated with sexism/bigotry how do you ignore that? And how do you not suspect that listeners of such artists share their views and may therefore not be the kind of people you want to be around?
Erline Andrews You just ignore it. Unless their music is about that then it shouldn't matter. And if you think people will be a bigot because they listen to some music then you're an idiot.
When someone talks about ignoring bigotry I assume they're a straight white man. In other words, they're unlikely to have to face bigotry themselves.
Exactly, like I hate hate hate Axl Rose but will enthusiastically admit what a great vocalist he is and even listen to Guns N Roses songs.
Huge pet peeve for me is when a song or a piece is incoherent, also known as when the composers try to stand out without actually knowing where they are going with it. That happens a lot in pieces that try to use different genres in different sections or at the same time... Also when you can hear a specific sound or rift in a piece where is just doesn't fit... at all...
my musical pet peeve is this damn new song I'm writing! Been practicing the end of the chorus over and over and still struggle to get the vocals and guitar right at the aame time! 😑 but alas! I will continue to practice it until I've nailed that son'abitch
"Here's a guy playing in a band bigger than Jesus..."
Well did John Lennon ever rise from the dead?
There's no difference (or rather SHOULD be no difference) between "it's good/bad" and "I liked it/I didn't like it." They're the same thing. Hear me out. An opinion on art is entirely subjective however you phrase it. If you "liked" something then it's "good" to you. If you didn't, it's bad. A statement like "it's good but I just don't like it" is contradictory and disingenuous. If you didn't like it, it's bad. It's bad TO YOU. Saying something is good but you don't like it is the coward's way of expressing your opinion without being controversial. It's thinking of the popular opinion as the "right" one. Stop looking for objectivity. This is art. It's totally and purely subjective. There's no such thing as objectively good or objectively bad. It's all in the eye of the beholder. If you don't like something, there's a REASON you don't like it. Express that reason, explain why it's bad, and stand behind it.
The Ringo love in this makes me happy. He was (and is!) an excellent drummer who knew exactly how to serve the song and I'd rather hear someone say that they were going after his drumming style than, say, someone really technical like Mike Portnoy or Neil Peart. He's not a bad singer either honestly.
I sat down watching and I was like "wow what a topic, how would he ever solve this in a 4 minutes video". Then I woke up on Coltrane's Giants Steps (sick dynamic harmony, what a tune, a great analogy) and I realised it's not that easy. The points you made are valid if not sound yet it has been discussed by lots in books over the years and there was never a single, coherent conclusion, rather sets of things, a... a list! That's what this video is.
A list of points for a good music, and a few counter-points, against bad music. It's basically telling people what to do. What I think, sometimes we forget that the whole 'art' things has strong connections with service industry, where artists serve other people making their lives more entertaining. Even the word 'art' might be related to something... artificial... maybe? Something made for us to be better? But I digress - back to the list. So if the "bad" (by means of some set of rules [a list]) tune gets a lot of attention, it might be ok to conclude that it serves well, doesn't it?
Soooo.. Ultimately, popular = good?
Again, no, it's not that easy. The whole problem occurs when you can record something and play it again, and again, and again... Until it's yours, really. When music is non existent, as Ingarden points out in some of his essays, it just might be a whole different experience, repating something, even if it's Pulse live, is gonna fade away in time.
But if it's some crazy death metal band playing in the distance and you are lying down in the tent thinking about aliens setting an invasion evaporating people with sound - that death metal band gave you an inspiration for thought - and it is valuable cause it gave birth to the memory, a pleasant one, the one you tell your friends with passion, even if in the core, it's not that interesting.
TL:DR it is not that easy
I mean, what if the Beatles will be mocked by future generations?
When people freak out over simple talentless songs
I disagree about the SRV point, just before his death he was starting to get into playing more jazz based songs (Lenny, Riviera Paradise, etc). I think he would've gone further down that hole if he were still here. Also, SRV would destroy Giant Steps.
Jacob Allen Agree! I've seen some videos of SRV with Carlos Santana jamming to some Latin Jazz Fusion stuff and the leads he was playing was pretty freaking good!
We live in the world of the internet, but at the same time it is more difficult to find the new artists in the genres you like because the ways of getting the information are, even if plentiful, narrow. You don't accidentally find new artists like you might with Tv blasting music while vacuuming. You have to start and search them on purpose and that prevents even big names in their genre becoming household names that everyone might know. Of course they would be ignored by the so called true or hard core fans as sell outs. So imo in a way, finding new artists and music is only seemingly easier.
There's good music, then there's bad music, which is all matter of taste from the perspective of of a person. After that then comes the ugly music. That one is the kind that doesn't want to reach out and move people hearts, mind and souls. It's just there to make money, sadly lately theres more grow in that aspect i think.
On the other hand i completly agree with you and the music available right now is abismal. I have could never find that Sweden unknown prog 70s rock band that i love if it wasn't for the internet. Neither your videos that are great. Keep up the good work.
Cheers