Early Christian Ireland and the Cáin Adomnáin
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- Early Christian Ireland and the Cáin Adomnáin.
This lecture dives into hagiography, the introduction of Christianity into Ireland, Irish invasions and incursions into the British Isles, St. Patrick, and the Cáin Adomnáin.
For those not familiar with Cáin Adomnáin here is a brief summary.
Medieval Sourcebook: Cain Adamnain: An Old-Irish Treatise on the Law of Adamnan.
This law treatise is found in only two manuscripts, both late, but derived from the lost Book of Raphoe, written in Old Irish probably in the ninth century. The book of Raphoe is believed to have been a collection of materials on St. Adomnan. The Canons of Adamnan are also believed to have been copied from it. It claims to be the first Irish law to protect women, children, and the clergy from violence. The Annals of Ulster dates the promulgation of this law to 696/7 at the Synod of Birr.This treatise seeks to explain the law and is not a copy of the actual law code that was enacted at Birr in 697. There is a long list of guarantors of the law near the end of the treatise, who as far as can be checked, were all alive in 697. This law is also known as the Law of the Innocents. My notes are included in brackets, all others are from Meyer. See the hard back edition of this text for the treatise in Irish and for all of Meyer's notes. This edition is beyond copyright but Meyer should still be cited in all references and reference to this web site would be appreciated.
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Interesting stuff. Any chance you have a link to the lecture series this is part of? I'd like to check out the rest of them if they are available
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@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thanks, hoss!
Pretty sexy
What is the opinion of the work of Alf Monaghan among historians , I attended a lecture of his about the early Church in Ireland being not roman but coptic from Egypt and was later reconqured and tebranded by Rome and the likes of Patrick invented to be a myth of the conversion of Ireland when there were copric settlements in Ireland from late 2nd Centuary
@TwoOnTheWall you should check out the TV series "Atlantean" by Bob Quinn.
He goes into links between Ireland and north Africa in the first millennium
@@phelimridley6727 I think I saw that maybe 20 years ago? Talking about the connections all up and down the Atlantic coast especially galicia and Ireland
@@twoonthewall yep. Sounds like the one. Well worth another watch.
Now that I think about it I might tuck into the series this week myself.
Druids were main beliefs in Ireland until England invaded Ireland
If this is what college history courses are like, I would love to be in these kind of classes!
Pretty much, yes. They're generally a lot more interesting than high school history.
I’m poor and busy so I am “going to school” by listening to University Lectures, whilst I build my house and learn about history.
I dropped out of school at 9th grade when skateboards and the wind they introduce one to… won over football players not liking-girls liking me and well I did wear checkered bell bottoms..
short story long: I wanted to thank you for posting, this is a great teacher.
I have found my own genealogy to show,( this intuitive nerd= hunter) that my scots/Egyptian branch keeps making me wonder if “Buddha” (last one at least) wasn’t a guy named Buide MacDomnal ? Or if this “king” was a companion or follower of… St. Patrick? Making Patrick a contender for the character behind Siddartha. Letters are important and many have passed over obvious parallels with interesting letter twists. In context “not the right name” should be expected hurdle in human hunting, rather than passed over.
Truth is our history is Roman history 100% with other languages accounting their own same stories. Dates and times only part of the math. No? I’m starting to ramble sorry! K thanks again
Patrick went to France, studied there, than went to Rome and the Pope gave his blessing on the mission to Ireland.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for what you are saying. France as a country didn't even exist at that time.
I remember reading that St. Patrick went to Gaul to be ordained and was there formally authorized to lead a mission of the Roman church to Ireland, so that he was turning up with an entourage and official symbols and so on, similarly to what Augustine brought to Kent and so on later. I don't really understand why the lecturer writes off the Cain Adomnain as unnecessary, if I understood him. Why else would it have been declared and recorded, if there wasn't some significant cultural difference between the treatment of women in traditional Irish tribal warfare, and how churchmen were used to women being protected within the Roman world or whatever? Doubtless there were customs and laws in Ireland previously, which either were not written down or were recorded only in Ogham on trees or something and have been lost, but there must have been abuses of women, children and clergy in warfare and feuds which needed stigmatising, especially if the only law enforcement was the military power of chiefs, who were all used to raiding each other and enjoying the impunity of the long-rider.
Check out the 'Brehon laws'.
@Patz13 RUBBISH, Chritianity destroyed womens rights in the family and as humans. Do research.
Do research. Control of the family and then society came from men controlling women at the behest of priests, who usually like boys.
@Patrick Holt, do check out the Brehon Laws. Ireland had a highly sophisticated legal system. While the druidic element of the legal system obviously collapsed during the Christianization of Ireland, the legal system itself endured in Western Ireland until the early 1600s before being replace by English law following the full Tudor conquest.
The principles of the system largely related to the responsibilities of various people and groups to each other.
Look up The Two Patricks
I am watching this instead of studying bc i have a huge exam tmro lol
Good luck.
Very interesting and informing lecture. Thank you.
Very poor uninformed, bad lecture.
We in the irish national school system always lead to believe the St Patrick was a Welsh and Scottish or from the lake District...He's Welsh
What do u think?
@@janicehussock7735 the format on this is very good 👍..I do enjoy this subject .His presentation on the irish high kings was very good .But he made the point as I would believe that its legend and mythology study .Very good and would recommend 👌
Informative, although on some points like who Saint Pádraic himself was, it's important to understand he wasn't "British" in the modern sense, but he was of a Roman ramily and 'Greek' faith(Orthodox), as the pre schism church was. He may have had some Brythonic Celt or Anglo in him, I don't know, but no one sees him as a Gael/Irish apart from non Irish, misconception wise
The lecturer demonstrates why it is important to do what a history professor of mine taught, but which the lecturer has done, but not as well as he must--to study and encourage others to read the primary sources for themselves.
His overview of The Confessio of St. Patrick was egregious. The lecturer presents it as Patrick's general statement of who he was, his capture, and a dream he had to take Christianity to Ireland, but *no* *dates.*
No. No. *No.*
The lecturer skipped Patrick's personal conversion and how powerful his connection and affection to the Lord was. The Lord revealed to Patrick how He would restore him to his home. Then at his home Patrick has the vision to return.
More to the point of dates:
Patrick
1. Never mentions The Bible, The Old Testament or The New Testament although virtually every line of his is deliberately tied to a Scripture, which writings Patrick calls "the Scriptures". This alone dates the Confessio to before AD 325.
2. Patrick never quotes or even mentions the Nicene Creed. This points to a date before AD 325.
3. Patrick said he studied the Scriptures in Greek but was making his own translation to Latin of passages in his Confessio. Patrick never mentions the Latin Vulgate, so this suggests a date prior to the Vulgate translation.
4. Patrick mentions he was captured by Irish slave-traders, and the last known Irish slave-capturing raids were in the late third century.
4. Patrick never mentions Rome, the Pope, the Catholic Church, the Catholic faith, or even the word "Catholic", all of which squarely dates Patrick to before the Council of Nicea.
The Confessio therefore places Patrick's mission to the third century AD, thus 150 years were added to his timeline in order Catholicize his legacy.
no he got it right.
Now I must read Patrick!
Makes sense.
Rude to not be prepared.
enjoyed ur lecture thanks. . the Cumri or welsh to joe soap, tell a story how they caught a roman soldier, an sold as a slave to the irish. . eg patric. . there are stories of patric going to rome after fleeing ireland where he had been a slave. . before returning to ireland once again on a mission frm god lollol . the irish slavery was not for life, as discribed by viking historians. . .
Patrick was in school I south Wales his teacher was illtud
People who designed the leaving cert syllabus: this is too interesting, let's put land acts instead
17 years of "religion" class: let's tell them about the prodigal son again
Lol too true. I like the parable of the Prodigal Son. Funny enough even though it's told over and over its mostly only the clergy that understand the true message
Is mise an rí fíor amháin in Éirinn!
Generation Y scholars ? Lots of student participation!! What’s a monk ? Duh! Gee ,Teacher, you mean we have to answer questions ???
I found the class very disrespectful. Dave is so calm. I'd go pure tonto lol
Surprised he never mentioned Pelagianism !
Nial of the nine hostages was the man that captured St Patrick.
His lineage is more from the north west of Ireland.
Love the subject but the teacher schoolboy thing is such B.S. Is going to be on the test?
Jeremiah
First please work on your gougraphy of Ireland armagh isnt on the east but more on mid south of ulster.
You must come to Ireland and follow the trail of st Patrick.
His talk about hagiography as expression of desired power sounds Marxist
most humanities profs are marxist or something similar, subversive
It would sound like your idea of “Marxist” specially if you are a fundamentalist Christian. Are you one of those bible thumping Puritan evangelical Americans trying to create a civil war? 🤪
What does an economic theory has to do with religion? It seems you are trying to find a word for secularism but can’t because you don’t know what the hell it means.
@@RoxanneM-Hear hear !
Roman christen
I tired of listening to people talk about christianity as though if you believe in Jesus it's all the same. They are not. What kind of Christian were they? Arian or eusebian? Nicene creed or non Nicene creed? The Roman empire faught and have been fighting over this. Western christianity, Jerusalem west. Eastern christianity, east of Jerusalem. Seleucian
Celtic Christianity.
@@dawnof-the-triffids601 the issue with that is christianity didn't start with the Celtics. It started with the Jews in Jerusalem and spread out from there. Jerusalem in the first century was the west. Who was the promised seed of genesis 3:15? What did jews believe? What did the law say? You need to go back to the beginning and find out.
John 17:3. Acts 17:11.
Peace and agap'e.
hardly matters. its all made up nonsense.
@@gregoryrollins59 what rubbish.
@@BenState do explain then.
There are three letters attributed to Patrick. Read 'Patrick the man.' Much more informative. Also check out the 'Brehon law.' Are these students stupid? The lecturer gives rambling, repeating some vague points, while mispronouncing words and glossing over thousands of years of culture and habits of the pre-christian Ireland. Bady informed and he hasn't read the lettr to Coaracatus or the other letter from PAtrick - not even mentioned.. Shame.
I have read a little about Celtic society and had the impression that women generally had a higher status than in the Classical world. While listening to this discussion of women's status, I had to wonder if perhaps it reflected an anti-Pagan Christian bias.
You seem to know something about Old Celtic Law. What does that say about women?
@@pirbird14 Youre right about Womans status in celtic society and laws protecting them. It was a matriachial society which the Chritian church set out to destroy and adapt for their control. Land was passed through the mother and and decision making was for the family and tribe matriachial. Check the Brehon laws. The first (unrecognised crusade) was against Irish christians which further destroyed womens rights and protection in the family. Their is also a middle east coptic connection which the Christian church hated. Rome had a different date for Easter - it is significant, check it out. Also look at Shiel Na Gig's where statuettes and carvings were made of a mother earth goddess which held the womand in a prominient if not deified position.
@@montebank4 I named my dwarf in World of Warcraft Shielanagig because I couldn't remember how to spell it.
I'm inclined to believe they were birth helpers rather than fertility figures. Childbirth was the most important and most dangerous time in a woman's life.
@@pirbird14 Except there are connections to societies in the middle east who had contact with Ireland and have similar songs pattersn see 'Sean Nos' and sanctified menstraul blood so it was a bit more of a fertility/mother earth thing, none touched upon in the lecture.
@@montebank4 did not know that. Thanks
Christian lies of Ireland.
Read
Irish origins of civilization
Irish wisdom preserved in Bible and pyramids
Makers of civilization
Patrick didn't exist.
The Pope was of Ireland. Seated at Newgrange which was the the hill of Tara, they changed the names when they buried it.
And they now refuse to dig up the huge civilization of 100+ ruins around it, for a reason 😅