DIVERS REACT TO MR. BALLEN'S STORY ABOUT HOLE THAT KILLED 16 PEOPLE
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- We've been asked to react to many Mr.Ballen's videos, and we have more coming, but here is an interesting one. There's a hole in Australia that represents the entrance into a cave that appears to be deadly. One of those incidents where people died inside the cave was shared by Mr.Ballen and we react to it.
Was it littered with inaccuracies? Does he know what he's talking about? Watch this video to find out.
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So flattered to see this! Thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it! Would love to do a reaction to some Dive Phase videos from BUD/S with you. Would you be open to tackle that one together?
Mr. strange * dark and mysterious himself!
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@@DIVETALK sure!
@@MrBallen what’s the best way to reach you? Our email address is info@divetalk.com if you want to shoot me an email so we can coordinate.
As far as this genre of UA-camrs go, Mr ballen is probably one of the best. He's not as click baity, nonsensical creepy pasta type channels. But still, as a story teller he suspends disbelief and uses embellishments to really grasp your imagination. Him and WATOP are the few who I can give a bit of leniency to, where as the other 99% are obnoxiously full of BS and appeal to 12 year Olds.
If you’re into true crime/scary story telling I would strongly suggest checking out Lazy Masquerade. He’s one of the few good ones left as well.
WATOP?
Yeah it’s nice to watch an actual channel for adults😂
@@hereallyfast I think just "watop" is the channel. It looks popular
I don't know if it's still the case, but a few months ago he was regularly uploading videos like "Top X stories that sound fake, but are true", but only when you checked the sources you'd notice that they were based on unverified Reddit comments.
I think the part of this story that really sticks with me is that part about Larry seeing John swimming the wrong direction and knowing that John couldn't be saved. That had to be an overwhelming feeling for Larry to see someone still alive but who was obviously about to die.
A viewer here from MrBallen’s channel:
This is really cool seeing somebody else react to his video, especially people who are more knowledgeable about the subject than myself.
Every person who tells a story is going to put their own spin on it, but his stories do seem to have a heavy focus on being truthful and respectful. I have also seen most of his cave diving stories, and I think hes trying not to scare people away from the activity as a whole. He always mentions that it’s dangerous *without the right equipment and certification* which I think is very important to do, but I never get the sense that he’s even accidentally scaring people away from doing the activities properly.
I would love to see you guys collab. Maybe you can give him some more information to make his cave diving stories as accurate as possible since he does have a TON of diving stories.
Thanks for the encouragement.
He’s a Navy Seal, I’m pretty sure he knows a thing or two or three or four about diving.
@@donnybrook8824 doesn’t mean he couldn’t learn a 5th or a 6th thing. You think even the guys from DIVE TALK here are done learning things about diving? I doubt it.
@@dirtnapz4488 There comes a point where no one gives a blank.
@@donnybrook8824 I’m sure. I think ( I could be wrong) that his preference for cave diving stories comes from his
training. I guess he had a pretty hard time with learning to dive .
Don't we all wish we had the same storytelling ability as Mr. Ballen? I know he doesn't always get the facts perfect but he's so nice to listen to. He could get everything wrong and I'd enjoy listening to him so much that I wouldn't even be mad. But he does a good job with his research and only takes a few creative liberties to set the mood 😉
I have been waiting soo long for y'all to react to a Mr ballen videos . He's actually the 1 that got me interested in cave diving and that's how I found this great channel
Same here. I found this channel watching mr ballen and found my interest into diving!
I found my fear lol
Although this tragedy was a while ago it's great to see my town being recognised, there are so many unique geographical features, in fact one of the movies you guys reviewed (Sanctum, 2011) many of the underwater scenes were shot in our local caves. I saw your interest in visiting here in the future and I can proudly say that you guys will love every minute of it. There are hidden caves within the pine forests that surround the region, only shared by small groups of divers, and the town itself sits upon hundreds of limestone sinkholes and cave systems, waiting to be explored. Thank you for reviewing this video, it was a great watch and a funny feeling as it is only a 10m drive away! If you are considering visiting I am more than happy to help out with locations, facts, absolutely anything. Cheers from the Limestone Coast! : )
Yo I’m sure cave diving is sick but going underwater without gills just doesn’t vibe with me.
Understood and fair.
I thought that way for years till i finally signed up for lessons. With a master diver to instruct and encourage its amazing.
SCUBA=self contained underwater breathing apparatus
Watch Waterworld with Kevin Costner...we will evolve 🤣
When I did phlebotomy, my teacher showed us a video of everything that could go wrong if you don’t follow procedures. At the end she said “if you’re not afraid then you’re a psychopath.” She then went on to talk about how it’s okay to be afraid but don’t be terrified. In your videos, in the comments, I make a lot of similarities between diving and phlebotomy because they make sense haha when it comes to procedures, it makes sense! It’s okay to be afraid to go cave diving or diving in general but don’t be terrified, don’t let that fear debilitate you. You guys aren’t turning people away with these videos. If anything y’all make me want to learn PROPERLY how to dive to make it more enjoyable. Why go in the water in the first place if you are planning on having an unenjoyable time? It’s important to learn the procedures so you can HAVE FUN!
I love lab people!
I love how most of these stories can be resumed down to, 'They didn't have a line'.
Never done cave diving, but from my short diving experience, and reading texts accompanied by getting certified, I can remember the 'line' rule from cave diving. Whenever I see any movie with 'expert divers' entering a cave, my suspension of disbelief gets wrecked by that question in the back of my head "Where's the line?".
Sure but the biggest thing is the panic, an experienced divers knows not to panic when you’re blinded by silt and hold on to the line, these kids didn’t know what they don’t know.
Absolute waste.
It’s not about the certificate, it’s about the knowledge and attitude.
One gets narc’ed and dives into the abyss, two get stuck in a false dome because they didn’t have a line, they didn’t even communicate the plan to check out the 3rd section to their (POV)brother
“Lay a line” is good advice even when dry caving. It’s so easy to get lost
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This is my ultimate UA-cam “collab”. I know it’s not quite but just seeing the combo of two of my favorite channels coming together is amazing. Love that I found you through mr ballen and now watching his videos back I can spot the accuracies in them
Really found this video fascinating as you analyze Mr. Ballen's tragic dive story. I like how you stress the safety aspects of this sport. Like any serious activity, such as shooting, consciously following the safety rules pretty much guarantees that everyone has a fun and memorable experience.
PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality
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You don't have to worry about scaring me off from Cave Diving. My brain took care of that the moment it ever registered the phrase "cave diving". It's like Tornados: Love seeing them on youtube, NEVER want to be in one. Great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Gus and Woody, I love listening to your show! You two are a rare treasured / knowledge / experienced people in the world! Your diagnosis are delight to listen to and all your videos are worth watching at least twice over.
Wow this is incredible. Thanks for saying this. Really motivates us and we appreciate your positive energy.
Mr ballen is one of the best story tellers, he has the ability to retell a story like he was there and you can visualise it in your head.
That and his a really likable guy that you can relate to
I really enjoy your reaction videos, watching all of ballens videos I thought cave diving was so scary and insane to do, but after you guys break it all down it makes more sense that majority of accidents happen when people are not taking the proper precautions.
After seeing the video about Gus reacting to ”x amount of worlds most dangerous caves” or something along those lines, I was really satisfied to see you guys react to a youtuber who doesn’t make mistakes every sentence.
I am advanced open water so far and have started watching Dive Talk and Blue World. I seek out material like this to educate myself on things prior to getting my cavern then cave certs. The commentary doesn't scare me. It teaches me what can happen if you break the rules. I always follow the rules. Do it safe or not at all and for the love of god, make sure you are trained.
Thank you for reacting to this video! This was exactly what I needed to hear after listening to so many cave dive tragedy videos from MrBallen. The way you explained how you guys dive and prepare for it, and what cave diving is supposed to be actually eased my anxiety and fear a lot. I couldn't imagine why anyone would dive before you talked about it so calmly, and suddenly I'm excited to see your dives. Looking forward to it even! And so many awesome videos to come, I subscribed for all notifications so I won't miss any!
Dont apologize for stopping it too much for commentary. I love hearing what you guys think about everything.
I’m not a diver, but I am becoming more and more inclined to start because of Dive Talk’s videos. I am a realist, and spent my whole life in the ocean, but never any scuba diving, so I appreciate and Gus and Woody’s reactions and analysis, they’re making me want to dive, because of how they give an educated take on diving incidents, one’s that end happily as well as sadly. You two are probably saving a lot of lives with your content, truly. And are probably helping the industry more than you get credit for.
This happened in 1973. I'm sure times were different and those mistakes, such as always having a line, are why you always have a line. Mr. Ballen always tags his photos that as (Real Photo).
Yes but we always wanna comment as if it’s talk,
I just discovered your channel, and I can't stop watching! Thanks for sharing your experience and insight into cave diving. I have an open water certification, and I love diving in the Caribbean on reefs. I get my face underwater, and no matter what is happening at the surface I feel chilled out and peaceful--there are no words to describe this feeling. I'm not sure I could ever be a cave diver, though. I do think it would be fun to see a video from you that talks about what you would need to do to become certified as a cave diver, and maybe some "war stories" about successful dives and interesting experiences you've had. Also, I'm a big fan of Mr. Ballen!
I think what Mr. Ballen was getting at with his opening description of the cave is that this cave does not come equipped with preexisting lines anchored throughout the depths of the cave.
And at the approximate 18:30 mark, both of you than preceded to talk over Mr. B video when he begins to explain the divers who the video was about, were not deep cave divers. Basically, it is possible that those divers, assumed that they maybe existing safety lines, didn't understand other safety precautions or the proper mixture and quantity of their tanks required to go to the full depth and return safely.
I am not sure how many videos Mr. B has done but he does try to be as accurate as possible while setting up the story with details that later explain why or how some of the people who the video is about, ended up in danger. Meaning from their assumptions or folly.
Not how experienced cave divers would have ensured what the cave had been equipped with and what the two of you would have done to have an successful dive.
His stories aren't tutorials on how to do successful cave diving or the other topics he does with his videos.
More often they are cautionary tales of what not to do, or stories about things going badly or more about the strange and unusual in story format. Not tutorials.
It's not about what the two of you would do or not done.
I'm not a diver but UA-cam recommended the Chernobyl reaction series to me, which I loved, and I've been enjoying going through your other content since. I had no idea just how much math and intricacy went into safe diving, it's fascinating to learn about and I have a ton of respect for the amount of training and experience it takes to get to this level
I go into a coal mine everyday with one light and the dark is my last concerns. I'm not a diver but your argument makes perfect sense. You know the risks of what you are are doing and plan for them
Why not carry a backup?
@@adriatic.vineyards when I go places that take me away all other people, equipment, and communication I do.
My wife and I went to the Blue Grotto and Devils den. First time. Never done a freshwater dive, nor a cavern dive. Watching your videos we spoke about it on the car drive. We were excited to see the Grim Reaper sign for ourselves, but nothing was going to allow us to go 1” past it. After the dive we both said “wow, I can really see how easy it would have been to go past that sign. So clear and huge, it looks so safe”.
Your videos make a difference. Unfortunately you guys don’t get to know just how much..
Really enjoyed this! It's interesting to hear from people who actually know how to do these types of dives, what's accurate, what's not...My one gripe is the assertion that no one would just "give up" and accept their fate--including potentially trying to end it more quickly. If you've had the training for that mindset, sure, but in this case (and the one mentioned where the person stabbed themself instead of drowning) they weren't experienced. They likely *didn't* have the training to have that mindset.
If I were stupid enough to get in that kind of situation, where it felt hopeless, I'd probably try to take comfort from whoever was with me rather than be utterly panicked in my last moments.
You can't really know how you'll behave until you're in that situation, so saying it's impossible or unbelievable feels a bit cruel or at least disingenuous. We know in other deadly circumstances, people have given up and just accepted what was going to happen/stopped fighting. Why not in a situation like this?
I believe the embrace. Just because you would keep going doest mean other would. These people clearly weren't properly trained and didn't have what they needed so by default they aren't going to do what a professional would who follows the rules.
Under stress people will act as they do some abandon training, its like if a soldier is shot, they might not follow procedure they might start crying for their family. It happens when you know you're on deaths door some people break down. Its all about the induviual or the feeling of the moment.
@@bambihall169 totally agree. I haven't done anything crazy like this but I've made mistakes and panicked and it didn't help my situation. Just lucky for me I wasn't losing air and becoming drunk underwater lost with no light.
And she was a 19 year old girl. She probably needed that hug.
@@keelymunoz6960 for real! I can't imagine what I would have done and I'm 34! Both scenarios, trying til I run out of air or hugging because I know what's going to happen, seem plausible for me personally.
I've watched even another video that Woody covered about Yuri Lipsky. At some point you just know it's over. Not judging those who fight till the very end but people who just accept what is, is totally understandable.
I haven't watched this video since this afternoon so I can't remember if they mentioned it or if I read it in a comment but ego plays a large part sometimes in these incidents. It's ironic that their egos as experts seem to be playing a part in judging these poor divers.
I think the embrace is highly possible due to the young age of the divers, their lack of training, the severity of the situation, and the fact it was a girl and a boy together. Two men probably wouldn’t be found hugging. But a guy and a girl? Very possible, IMO.
I have always watch cave diving on tv. To sit here and experience 2 cave divers reacting to a cave diving story is amazing.
I would never snorkel, dive, or jump off a yacht into the open ocean waters, I can’t out run a lion, no way I can out swim a shark😂😂 I leave that superman/woman stuff to you guys (I’m terrified of crabs, lobsters, and fish dead or alive😂😂)
But I L🫶🏾ve listening to you guys! Your depth of knowledge, enthusiasm, and passion is truly awe inspiring!
You guys are astronauts in my eyes because we know more about the moon than our oceans and caves beneath our feet! Listening to you guys talk for me it’s like listening to Armstrong talk about space expeditions, it’s so cool 😎
Woody interrupt as much as possible!! Your commentary is well worth every pause! Every time you say “can you pause the video” I get hyper focused because I know you’re going to say another crazy amazing fact! 💜💛❤️💙
Seeing Mr. Ballen's video last week is actually what sparked my interest in the hobby. I want to learn to cave dive and eventually dive this exact cave. Kinda funny actually, right after I saw this video I searched cave divers and started watching your guyses videos. I feel the universe is speaking to me at this point lol
I love MrBallen, A Boston guy like myself but damn I can only listen to so much. It's so well researched and he has a way of telling stories that is out of this world. because of him right now I am just Too freaked out to go in any water deeper than my waist
I'm not a cave diver, and I want to thank you for the safety information you give as it makes me feel less queasy when listening to cave stories.
I watch both Dive Talk and MrBallen, and I've never picked up from any of Ballen's content that he ever claimed to be a cave diver in any manner whatsoever.
Many of his stories are good because he can empathically put himself in the headspace of the person in the story; telling us what they were thinking or how they felt, even though they died in the story. He gets you to connect with the people and the environment in the story, to make you feel like you're there.
But I don't think he always has all the info to fill in all the gaps, it's just his take on it.
For the 9/11 piece, he had an intro that came out and said as much.
I never go to Ballen's content to find out "what happened", I go to listen to a really well told story.
Everything he said about that dive is on Wikipedia 1973 Mount Gambier Cave Diving Accident. Even finding the two holding on to one another and how there was no line nor did they bring any bc they thought it would cause more of a problem for the divers to have 8 lines.
I do feel like you can actually say that "Cave diving can be made safe."
I feel like it is the same as driving a car can be made safe, have a working certified vehicle, follow the rules of the road like you have been taught at driving school.
Sure you cant always be "safe" but you cant be truly safe anywhere in this life. Being professional and educated/trained is all that is about.
Mr Ballen's cave diving stories always share a theme of being highly preventable.
PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality
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Common sense is the least common sense when dealing with exceptional people they always think they’ll get out of whatever problems they face
So glad that channels like yours and MrBallens exist to explain just how dangerous this can be but how incredible it is when done safely with proper equipment. Also dispelling some misconceptions about diving is super great. My first ever cave dives were in Sal and I dived the Blue Eye there when I was 17-18ish and only had my padi open water 18m and was in no way qualified, but i'd had a fair few dives nearby, was calm and understood all the concepts going into it, plus had a bunch of very experienced divers with me. It is a totally different experience to what people think its is so cool and so awesome to be down there you see so much cool shit, but theres this ever present uberdanger there that you forget about until something goes wrong.
Not that much would've as it was quite a wide cave/ tunnel and it wasn't super long so you could kind of make out light at each end but when my partner's light and secondary went out and i heard their little tank bell it does make one acutely aware of just how simple it would be for it all to go wrong as it does in the story.
Also ik it'll have been clarified since but he's chatting about a story of the first proper divers who had permission to go before the route was properly lined, dived, mapped etc.
I appreciate how neither of you sugar coat, both are real AND give credit where credit is due
Just ordered my DIVE TALK shirt!
Where can I buy one? Thanks!
Shopdivetalk.com
Give it an hour as we are working on getting it pointed to the store now.
And thank you!
@@DIVETALK thank you!!! Will do.
The suspense & worry listening to this story..so sad & sorry for this loss...RIP
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Thanks to Mr Ballen I found this channel, this is an awesome combo!
Yay! Do his “The Nest” video next!
Will look into it for sure.
Considering how old this story is, I'm late to the game here, but I would like to point out that the two who were supposedly found embracing were a man and a woman. I think they would be more likely to hug than a man/man or woman/woman situation. So while you guys would fist bump, I'd actually want to hug someone, especially a dude who was probably trying to save my life. Also, while not a cave diver. I am a spelunker, geology major, so while I never dived a cave, I've explored a ton of them. :)
Inspiring those that are curious and willing to prepare, while saving the lives of those who are not. Great stuff Gus and Woody!
Don’t stab yourself in the heart..6th rule of cave diving.
Watching the dive talk videos really make me want to expand my knowledge and skills underwater! Big fan!
These guys need to pay attention to the fact that there were “NO Lines” because this was a newly found cave and being explored for the first time. Smh.
Not true. They weren't the first in the cave.
There were no lines because it was back in 1973 it wasn’t being explored for the first time. Smh
Even on the first dive into a virgin cave, there should be lines tied off as you dive.
What i dont understand that really pisses me off is the amount of equipment failures.... wtf do you pick half dead battery flashlights, dont bring extras, bring one tank a diver and no refills... why do all these deaths include so much planning and prep just for everything to go wrong and shit to stop working and people to do stupid stuff and ill preparation for stuff they already have experience in.... i see from a lot of these vids people die from stupidity and "assuming" things that they should calculate definitively
When you started talking suicide before drowning it made me think of the extreme claustrophobic dry caving I've watched. I actually thought to myself if I ever was in that situation I'd have brought a pocket pistol just in case.
....that being said, I'd never put myself in that scenario.
I watch every video religiously, MrBallen’s fast growth says it all, just an amazing story teller! He’s just in a different league! 👌 And his cave diving videos are my favourite no doubt! Plus, now because of him I’ve found you guys! ❤️ I hope this collab happens! 🤞🤞
Also such a great point by Gus, you can tell an amazing dive story/cave diving story that is factual and educates properly about diving! 👌 Very well said!
MrBallen is great at this.
It’s a sinkhole. One of a few in that area in South Australia. I think the deaths that happened were mostly due to non-cave divers going in there in the 1960s/70s without proper training/equipment etc.
Edit: Did a touch of research. Since the incident described in the video when 4 divers drowned in 1973, no fatalities were recorded in The Shaft (I’m not sure where he got 16?). The incident led to a lot of development around cave diving in Australia, so it wasn’t entirely for naught.
Its not about fear, it's knowing my luck that keeps me far from even considering things like this. When you are good at being unlucky, no reason to tempt fate.
I just recently discovered this guy…He really is a good story teller…
Watching his video was actually what led me down the bunnytrail to looking into my scuba info. The idea of exploring somewhere that only a few people can explore sounds so amazing. Of course, safety being key. Would never go do this without the certification.
What was not clear to me in the original video was that this accident happened 50 years ago, in 1973 (he said it). I am pretty sure that nowadays, the cave is well mapped and has lines installed, but at the time, probably not.
As a non diver myself, it is terribly hard to rationalize why just past the Grim Reaper sign is so much more dangerous than just before the reaper sign. I bet some divers are thinking the same, that a few feet can't make that much difference so they cross the sign and then say im past it now so whats a few feet more? Nothings happened to me yet, and then they say I'll just look whats around that corner, and then that's it you're cave diving as a scuba diver, with scuba gear.
I'm here originally because of Mr ballen. I now and am hooked on this show too!!
I only watch cave diving disaster videos from creators like Mr Ballen who don't get dramatic. And I think people who are into this as spectators aren't looking for the drama, we're looking for the lived experiences. BUT, I think you guys need to be careful that you're not giving your own viewers a false sense of security to people who want to get into this, because that DOES kill divers. There are some activities that are objectively dangerous, and cave diving is one of those, you can't and SHOULD NOT argue that that isn't the case.
ETA deeper in and as a new subscriber, I appreciate the level of caution you pass on. It feels appropriate and is informative.
its funny how many similarities Australia and Florida have... from the crazy people who are from florida, to the crazy people in Australia.. florida has both crocs and alligators australia has fresh water crocs and salt water crocs...the fishing... we have grouper, snapper, mackerel, tuna, barracuda, jacks / giant trevally, sail fish marlin, mahi.... we share like all the same species of fish its funny... they just call them different... the beaches and coasts.... Florida and Australia are awesome places for fishing / spear fishing, diving....we share a similar outdoor fishing / salt water life culture... then not to mention the fact australia and forida both have sink holes with crystal clear spring fed water and caves... annnnd they happen to be in rural farm / pasture land with cows and stuff.... lol shout out to Adam freediver who lives in australia and has free dove these springs and caverns...thanks for another great video.. you guys are growing fast
Cool comment. Thanks for the info.
I hate bodies of water. I've gone in the ocean one time in my life and that was only because I was afraid of the kids getting Into trouble. I never felt comfortable in water. After watching all the divers and the stories I will never go diving. It's way more difficult and dangerous than I could have imagined. It looks amazing and enjoyable aswell and I'm glad not everyone is like me. So many amazing discoveries thanks to divers.
I think he was talking about diving without a line to specifically express the danger of not going in prepared.
Or something like a n00b on their 3rd dive going into an expert level cave where you need to have 10 years experience. Wild overestimate, but they were the first numbers that came to mind.
Basically, overconfidence can be deadly.
I’ve been diving for 40 years and never have had the urge to go in a cave!
For what I've heard about the case in Croatia, he certainly wasn't a cave diver, and apprently they did find water in his lungs. So it would seem it wasn't as painless as he intended if the story is true.
I don’t want to say funny, but it’s weird how Woody says no way on someone giving up and killing themself, ie, stabbing themself in the heart, then when they watch the video of the dive where the suicide by stabbing themself in the heart, it’s plausible.
The other thing is after watching the heart stabbing suicide video and this one, no one mentions when these people involved saying they didn’t know which was was up, why didn’t they watch their air bubbles? The air bubbles rise to the surface. Even if they are in a case or cavern, they can tell the air is at the top of the cave or cavern. If they are in a passageway, the air bubbles will go up. No, I’m not a cave diver, and actually no longer dive because of head injuries, but I knew to watch my air bubbles.
Stuck in a cave, minutes away from death, *shakes hand* "see you dude" what a way to go
Mr. Ballen: Tells a 20 minute story about how deadly this cave is
These guys: This cave sounds awesome let's do it. 😂
CAN’T WAIT!
As an Australian this whole thing is so exciting. Came here from Mr Ballens page. Great content guys, thank you!
Exactly my reaction to most if his cave videos
@@DIVETALK y’all are cra cray!!! 😳😣😂
@@DIVETALK They can dive in any cave without a single hiccup , they are experts who know exactly what they are doing , they plan their dives and dive their plans ( as Woody says ) and I'm sure they leave their egos parked outside the cave .
I suspect that a lot of people got algorithmed to this channel by watching Mr. Ballen. I'm pretty sure that's why I got suggested it.
I like that word, "algorithmed"
Thankful
Mr. Ballen posted a link in the community tab.
Guess that’s how I found this video lol
That's what happened to me, too. Been binging Mr. Ballen for a while now since I came across his channel, so it was bound to happen.
Aussie girl here 🇦🇺Ok couple of things to note: 1. That warning sign didn’t go up until AFTER this tragedy occurred! So it wasn’t there when this tragedy happened. 2. After the event the govt stated that all divers MUST be cave diving certification to dive in this cave AGAIN this came in after the tragedy. Even with all required permits and experience it is NOT recommended to dive there. Due to the drop offs silt etc. and lastly this cave is way way out in the countryside I think the nearest hospital is 4-5 hours away MINIMUM drive distance so if the worst happens there is NO close medical attention. All things to consider before trying it.
I wish I would forget all about MrBallens channel just so I can find it again and rewatch everything.
I made a playlist of all of his stories & put it on random at night (I have a couple creators I'll rotate through) to go to sleep on. I don't mind listening over & over though. It really helps me go to sleep 🙂
@@stacin821 all fun and games until one of his ghost stories comes on lmao
Same
saaame
🤣🤣🤣🤣 ...dont worry bro...something tells me that if your a fan of the strange, dark & mysterious Mr. Ballen uploads content 3, 4, and even 5 times a week
...so you'll be fine
You guys should try and have Mr. Ballen on to talk about what kinda diving he did with the SEALs. He’s a pretty awesome dude and seems like the kinda guy who come on for that! Great video guys!
Larry great idea.
I second this.
He said in one of his episodes that they used rebreathers in training. He also talked about diving under ships with not a lot of room to maneuver which sounds pretty terrifying. I'd love to see him on the show as well.
Yes!! He is pretty awesome!
Hell yea great collab. Ive been wanting to also see Mr Ballen and PoPoMedic do a collab, i believe PoPo was also a SEAL or maybe Army Special Forces who later became a cop. Now does YT fill time like Donut Operator.
No worries Woody, there was a 0.00% chance I would go cave diving before watching this, now there's maybe a 0.01% chance (rounded up). Love the content.
😂 I’m the same way
I wanna go out and do it so I can prove to myself that I can do something I thought was impossible
Nah for me I'm out. Screw that crap it's not worth it. There's no life down there anyway
Lmfao you probably couldn’t pay me 100-500K to even think abt it , these 2 act like this stuff is impossible to happen “oh you would have a line tied to the surface” as if a freakin line can’t be broken or ripped off ! Than your really out of luck
Hard same. lol
MrBallen should have a warning label stating how addictive his videos are. Be careful if you haven't discovered him yet, or you may spend multiple nights watching his videos one by one... happened to me and not regretting :D
I confess... This is true. 😄
So true. I was missing out on my sleep.
Get a life.
@@jakewest2524
Seems like most people that insist on saying rude things online are probably too weak and scared to ever say something to a persons face...... just my personal opinion
I'm fiending for that strange, dark, and mysterious delivered in story format.
@Dive talk At the time of this incident there was no lines, Diver's were negotiating dive's with the farms owner on a case by case basis and there were no regulations or training in place for cave diving. Insanely enough they did not bring a line with them as they had previously set up a line to the depth they were supposed to go to.
The Shaft was not fully mapped until almost a decade later in 1984.
The deaths at the shaft directly lead to the formation of the Cave Divers Association of Australia. They have an in depth pdf on this incident (i can't link youtube will delete)
I can tell you more about the shaft if you like?
Umm yes tell us more about the shaft please!!!!
@@meagancole8553 Well Mapping the thing took over a year something like 70 dive's totalling over 100 man hours.
There has not been 16 deaths at the shaft, to my knowledge that's the total cave diving deaths on the limestone coast (or it just might be grant area i'm not sure).
Technically the shaft has never been fully explored by man. Sheck Exley got the furthest in 94 he passed through a constriction in the big tunnel, but never reached then end of it. (So science dudes were buzzing around in the early 2003 but i can't find anything about them passing through the constriction)
They actually buggered up dropping a bore line into the shaft and apparently it can be seen by divers in the cavern.
Appreciate the info
@First Last ew wtf are you talking about?? Clearly she meant the cave stop being disgusting
@First Last I saw it. It’s just not funny. There was no reason to make that joke in the first place.
Also you'll notice in his stories whenever he shows a picture if it doesnt say (real photo) it's just a random picture that correlates to the topic. Any picture with (real photo) is from the story he is talking about
I love that he does that! I hate that a lot if youtubers use random photos for click bait and don't explain what's real and what's an approximation (or dramatization) of the truth
Thank you. Felt John was getting flack for things that weren’t his fault.
Came here to say this
Took the words right out of my mouth. THIEF!!!! 😂 but yeah the real photo tags are much appreciated. Many you-tubers don’t take the time to little details like that, but viewers really appreciate them. 👍
Yeah he is da bomb
I dove in devils den in Florida (A cavern) early on in my diving..I stayed in well lit areas but when I got near to the edges I came across that famous cave diving sign design with the grim reaper. I stopped dead cold and turned around…I think that signs design is perfect..There is no “Please stop, we care” on the sign, it straight up says if you don’t have cave experience you WILL die. Even if you can’t read English the grim reaper is universal.
If we’re thinking of the same Devil’s den/hole, I live about 8 minutes up the road from it. Not many divers even the most experienced government trained divers have survived through this cave. There’s no bottom to it because it’s like all the dirt roads around here, each one leads to another and before you realize it you’re suddenly in Lake City. So all the paths in the cave run several miles and the currents are so strong most divers can’t fight against it and just get swept away and eventually their bodies are found in cities up to two hours away, days later. Due to so many people losing their lives simply just swinging out off the long rope and dropping into the water and they end up going way deeper then they knew they would and they get swept off in a current, they closed it about 5 years ago maybe longer. A few people admitted to killing someone and then putting them in their own vehicle and put a brick on the gas pedal and off the edge they go never to be seen again. They have had all kinds of specially trained divers from the government to the military come out with a weight and miles long cables to try and measure how deep it is but none have ever accomplished it and the longest cable used could have went from FL to NY and it still didn’t reach the bottom. I do believe there’s old news articles about in the Putnam County news paper and possibly even in the surrounding bigger cities. I can’t blame them for closing it and I’m glad they did because to many little kids and teens would sneak out there and end up drowning not to mention the amount of drunk adults who would go out there in the middle of the night and obviously they had no chance considering they were highly intoxicated.
@@Crafting_Through_Life there is a Devils Den which is open to the public, a Devils Hole Recreation Centre, and then Devils Hole which I think you are talking about - lots of local legend about it, got sold (to a developer???), and closed off to the public (no tresspassing signs, patrolled, the whole 9 yards). It connects to the Floridan aquifer, iirc - but it is actually only 100-200' deep.
It seems to be human nature to call something deep "Devil's Hole," because there's a lot of them around. Seriously, everywhere.
The "bottomless" Devils Hole is in Nevada (Death Valley). The caverns are around around 130m (430') deep. A rescue diver, at roughly 100 meters deep, came across a siphon (formation with a very small entrance with high current into it that can suck you in and is almost impossible to get out). He put out a weighted depth line without finding the bottom. It is known to be _at least_ 380 meters (1247 feet).
Scientists still don't know _how_ deep it is - but thanks to an earthquake (in Mexico??) which created high waves in the cave, they believe it is connected to a water system that reaches at least 2000 miles away
It doesn't say you will die. It says you can die. Why tf do so many ppl get it wrong??
@@updatedotexe /cry
@@bigbay1159 /cry
I don’t think you guys are scaring off people to ever cave dive , you’re doing exactly what you want , warning people that they NEEED the proper training . It shows people who aren’t trained what happens when you go beyond your limits. Keep up the good job guys!
the ones that will be scared off shouldn't be there,the rest will get trained and go with a buddy and take extra precautions the be safe
exactly! This channel is inspiring me to become more interested in diving in the future, because it’s clear that very rarely do people just *randomly* die while diving, they die due to being under-prepared and over-confident. It’s actually making me feel better about possibly diving in the future, because I know that with the proper preparation and training I can be as safe as possible.
@@handuo6301 Same as when pilots do videos analyzing plane crashes
@@teeshark6584 okay lol
@@badcornflakes6374 yeah it freaks me out just thinking about being in tight places on land in a cave system. I would definitely spaz out underwater... now put me in a gigantic, wide open space only 10ft deep, I would go 20ft deep if the Dive Talk guys were with me. Hahaha
Me ballen is genuinely an awesome person. How many other youtubers would report your channel, crying about copyright.
Mr Ballen said this is cool! Thank you!
I have a lot of respect for Mr Ballen
Edit…
And he is supporting your vid on his community tab!
Like mrballen said in a video way back his a huge fan of this content and so are we, he just happens to be the king of telling them to us. One big happy family. I’ve never once seen a negative comment on any of his videos, if it was I truly believe “his UA-cam family” would destroy them lol
@@ryanmcmahon8648 that’s true we are all so positive and supportive over mrBallens channel
I swear, the more of Mr. Ballen I see, the more I respect him. Just a stand up dude with a hell of a talent for storytelling!
Proud to be part of the truly strange, dark and mysterious told in story form.
Wouldn’t matter if he reported their channel anyways, adding their reactions makes it covered under fair use🙄
Im here because of Mr. Ballen! I was never really interested in cave diving until hearing his stories…I don’t think he is making us scared but conveying the difficulty and respect it deserves, that it’s not just a fun activity but that it requires a lot of training and experience. It is really amazing what you guys do! Much respect!!
Exactly. Nothing wrong with having a healthy amount of fear for something.
I would argue you should be scared if you are not trained properly.
I am an avid recreational diver and know to stay away from those kinds of environments because I don't have the necessary training.
Sadly too many don't and the scuba community loses divers every year because someone decides to enter caves and wrecks without the training.
Very well said! 💯% agree
PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality
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Same same Mr Ballen' is the reason I'm here to now I'm in awe of cave diving and dry caving it's cool to watch.
Everyone is great on the vid, Mr.B states that the story of the diver's that first went in the cave was in 1973. Big difference from today's standards..
But one thing that people are forgetting, is that he is talking about people that did not have the experience that this guys have, he is very clear on telling us if you do not know what your are doing get the hell out. Simple and most of the stories about caves get bad cause they are by people that did not have the experience to deal with the cave.
When telling these stories from the past MrBALLEN should just state there is technology available today or when technology became available.
I came here to say exactly that.
The Shaft is near Mt Gambier in South Australia. It was a popular cave to dive in during the 60s and 70s.
That's what I was thinking. Granted, I'm not a cave diver, but I was just personally relating it to how far firearms safety has evolved over the years. Someone who was incredibly competent and experienced with shooting would probably see no problem with keeping his finger in the trigger guard in the 1920's.
Now THAT'S a crossover. I've commented about Dive Talk in that vídeo on Ballen
Thanks so much.
I was so stoked when I saw the thumbnail
I did the opposite.. I commented on dive talk to do a Mr ballen vid haha
Yess been waiting for this...i was one of those asking to do this... Thank you from Aus
I believe this particular dive was in the 1970s. Safety techniques and gear have dramatically improved since then. So when he tells this story, its based on that time.
Well, nitrogen narcosis, air consumption and the other ways the depth affect the diver is still the same
@@lilletrille1892 Yes, but I think this comment was in relation to them questioning people not laying a safety line through the second and third stage
While your right I do feel MrBallen should have made it more clear that he was describing things as they were, not as they are.
Mr Ballen leaves out key information if he believes it will make the story seem scarier. I loved his videos in the past until I started seeing him cover stories that I was very familiar with. It’s not a coincidence that every time he leaves out important information it seems to make the story scarier not less
I was just about to comment this. This particular event happened in 1973, and at that point, divers had not regularly been down the deeper sections of the cave. Describing the cave as it was in 1973 helps put the audience in a better mindset when thinking about these events and the choices these people made.
Had he had to interrupt his story everytime he recalled something that is there today that wasn't there in 1973, the story probably wouldn't be as good. Or if he had to go into detail about how everything in diving is pretty much different to what it was in 1973. This isn't a diving technique and equipment video, it's a morbid tale of a tragic event.
I feel like almost all of mr.ballen's cave diving disaster videos are part of his "people who went places they shouldn't have" series and they almost always start off with: "they had no diving experience but they thought it would be fine" or "they were prepared for a much simpler dive but decided to try something they weren't remotely prepared for..." These diving tragedies are generally the result of a lack of training, a lack of equipment or both. In short, they could have been avoided.
Agree
With most Australian Cave diving accidents, especially before the 2000's, a lot of them were because they were grossly ill-equpt or dived in a dangerous spot alone.
The only 'modern' accidents were because of human error
True, but I just watched a MrBallen video where some very experienced cave divers (with plans in place) died from unforeseen circumstances.
@@lisagray1418well, its like driving a car. Its very posible that you have an accident if you re not qualified o go ill prepared, but being qualified and very cautious doesnt make you inmune., just less posible to have an accident.
Mr. Ballen tries to study things before he tells these stories. He never means to be incorrect. He does an Awesome job with his stories. Love to listen to all his stories. Thank you for being respectful to him.
He'll also point out when he doesn't know something or isn't an expert. Very honest and informative.
Mr Ballen often makes up a lot of “facts” in his videos though to make the videos “more interesting”, and intentionally rewrites details, like saying a victim of a home burglary had a _gun_ collection when in fact he had a _guitar_ collection. He is not a reliable source and he spreads a lot of misinformation.
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@@xyz7572
Actually he doesn't a lot of these stories before he told them and 97% are true FACTS! IF you don't like HIM DON'T WATCH HIM
@@serenapolk4379 yes and no. I don't think he makes thinks up, but his research isn't always that good
He’s retelling a story as written. He’s not telling it as if he, himself, has explored the cave.
Yeah you gotta appreciate though he does proper research, he doesn't just take one article and copy it he makes sure he has all the evidence to give the facts
@@NoNameEst1992 his stories are not always on point.
@@johnny10grasp3 They are on point to the best of his knowledge based on the research he does... So he gets an occasional story slightly wrong, who cares
He also tells ghost stories. Lol. I wouldn't believe everything he says. My point is he has to keep you interested and that's going to come with the cost of bending the truth. Get it?
@@johnny10grasp3 I'm not going to get into a debate with you about his videos, if you don't like him and don't wanna watch him that's fine you do you, and yes I get what your saying thanks for being condescending 🙄
Mr. Ballen: Who would believe after I warned people not to go, two UA-camrs decided to go and it didn't go well. But first, if you like the dark story telling format, invite the like button out for a camping trip, and when they agree, leave without them.
Yikes.
@@DIVETALK Lol. A little dark humor there. But please, by all means, don't go.
Noice
Well I watch too much. I read that in his voice
@@defenseagainststalking better wish them luck, than insisting them not to go. They're passionate divers. As you may have noticed from the video, they've pointed out many diving rules that were violated by those divers. These people will definitely follow all the safety measures as they're clearly aware of what could go wrong ;)
He's describing the cave as it was when this happened back in 1973. It helps the listener understand the story better. I understand you guys want to educate, but we do have to remember this is a retelling of a tragic event that occurred in 1973 and not a modern diving educational video you're reacting to.
Thank you! Everything was different back then, equipment, regulations etc. And yes this was a tragic event that completely altered those it touched. I know because they were my aunt and uncles. I was born in 85 so never got to meet Christine and Stephen but I grew up with my uncle Glen (my dad was their youngest brother who was only 13 at the time). People keep making judgments based on modern thinking.
Thank you for saying this! When he tells his stories, he's talking about exactly the info we need to understand the circumstances surrounding the one event. He doesn't usually waste time explaining a lot of "if this, then this" scenarios if it isn't relevant to the events. Yes, there is a proper way to avoid nitrogen narc, but they didnt use it in the story. The people in the story WERE guaranteed to get it because they didn't do the right thing. I really like this way of storytelling but I can see why its confusing.
Very good point. Thank you for explaining this.
@@caseyisme5136 Just saw this video so I'm late to the "party", but I couldn't help to feel during and after video so sorry for them. I truly believe they just didn't know better and small misjudment turned out to be fatal as it seems often be in cave diving. Finding you, a relative, commenting on the reaction video really stopped me, what a small world.
Just wanted to wish all the best for you and your family.
Correct 😊
Mr Ballin, story is very old (1973). Back when the cave was first discovered.
Things that modern divers do, wasn't the normal in the time frame this story is about.
Exactly. Almost all sports came a long way since then. Can't even compare. I don't think there was a cave diver license in 73, and at that time people were basically climbing everest in flip flops and racing cars without seat belts.
thats what bothered me, these guys being stupid and not listening to years and dates about the story and judging it, like it was a story from 2173 instead. and yes i intended to say 2173.
Hey, back then we'd get knocked unconscious and a friend would smack us around until we came to, and then we'd get up and walk it off. Helmets, shemlmets! Got a broken bone sticking out through your skin? Back then we'd just grab it and shove it back in and wrap some string around the limb to keep it in. Back then we'd smoke 23 packs of unfiltered Camel cigarettes per day, and we coughed up our lungs and we liked it. We'd lose the softball game and people would boo us, and we liked it. We'd start drinking a Coke out of a bottle at night but not finish it, so we'd put it on our nightstand and drink the rest of that warm backwash the next morning. We'd eat steak for dinner every night, and when we had a heart attack we'd nurse ourselves back to health by eating even more steak. But now days you kids have gone all fluffy - let me get a participation trophy for you. Maybe a nice stuffed neon-rainbow Unicorn for you?
@@hannahpumpkins4359 I want a neon rainbow stuffed unicorn 🦄. 😂
@@kewlztertc5386 Me too!
I think the one thing you guys glossed past is WHEN this story was taking place in the 70's. I'm not a diver and can't speak to the differences but some of his picture's are just random photos, he labels actual photos from the story with "(real photo)" and there very well may not have been a guide at the time. Love the channel and love the video, keep up the good work!
He’s showing real photos of the cave, not real photos of the story.
@@ScarfaceVTG yes, the ones labeled "real photo" are the ones of the cave. The others are stock images of different caves.
yeah its actual photos of the cave not of the actual event
Yea the thing I don’t like about a lot of reaction videos is talking during it or pausing a 100 times. These guys did pretty good on that, couple times they were talkin and missing information and I’m not positive but you mentioned it being in the 70s, mrballen said that and they were talkin. It happens but I thought the same thing but like you I’m not a diver. Maybe in the 70s they all had guidelines I don’t know. I’ll hit up google later but probably not. 😁
Ballen's videos have never made me think "Wow! I'm never going to do that!" (My extreme claustrophobia is going to keep me out of underwater caves.) What I get from his stories is, if you're going to do something this dangerous, train with a professional and take one along as well! His stories are really about people who broke the rules, and the consequences.
It's so crazy how many people do. They don't put signs up for no reason some one did something bad.
His videos make you very aware that you cannot just chuck on some tanks an go wherever an do whatever 🤣 I've actually been so much more educated just by listening to his story's, 🤦♀️🤣 had no idea tbvh
Exactly. Mr. Ballen narrates with accuracy and caution
I hear what you guys are saying - about lines, lights, silt etc - doesn't bother YOU - as experts - but to us non experts these things ARE scary - and non experts do die because they do NOT know what they are doing and panic - as this and other MrBallen stories demonstrate (basically there are some real idjits out there, who think they're bulletproof) - I think all the cave diving deaths he's covered are from people literally - out of their depth - not knowing what they are doing, not prepared, not trained, without the proper equipment & precautions - as i said- idjits
Julia valid and thanks for the comment.
yup. Unless theres a freak accident with equiptment or something else.
As we know experts die to so his stories are not as far fetched as your trying to make him sound. We love him so your waisting your time trying to make him look bad. Just saying
@@samhosner2459 WHAT!?! wait - WHAT!?!
look mate, you have got the wrong end of the stick here
not trying to make MrBallen aka John Allen - former navy SEAL who I have *immense respect* for "look bad" - what on earth are you talking about
not just as a "storyteller" - how HE defines himself - as a person, as a human being, esp as a veteran
(yeah when I first started watching his channel, in the early days before it exploded into popularity) - I was 'who is this guy - he is awesome' - his videos have RESEARCH - real names - real stories - looked up their stories simply to find out more so intrigued by what he had to say
who is he - MrBallen aka John Allen - former navy SEAL (*RESPECT*) - (as I have for anyone who serves their country & their community - and no, not an America)
even more respect 'who is this awesome dude' - John Allen - coFOUNDER - former CEO & current Board Member of Elite Meet
Elite Meet is a nonprofit talent collective that exclusively represents Navy SEALs, fighter pilots and other elite veterans - helps them find suitable work after they leave serving their country and community
sure, occasionally an expert will die in one of John's stories - I seem to recollect (was it the devils something) - that even the expert cave diver who volunteered to go in and recover the bodies of the idjits who had ignored all warning signs, went in inexperienced, without the right training, knowledge, expertise, under equipped got themselves killed - even he couldn't make it out - that's how dangerous this place was - but no, idjits ignored all warning signs -
- but the VAST majority are *NOT* EXPERTS - as I clearly said in my post -
idjits who had ignored all warning signs, went in inexperienced, without the right training, knowledge, expertise, under equipped
but clearly I was *wasting* my time explaining this -
just WHAT!?! every single part of what you said - just WHAT what what WHAT?
"As we know experts die to so his stories are not as far fetched as your trying to make him sound. We love him so your waisting your time trying to make him look bad. Just saying"
you are making my head hurt
"your trying" - (you're btw ) I'm not - whatever *this is* (your words - WHAT?! )
" waisting" ok - look I am obviously wasting my time here - if you didn't understand my first words... just I couldn't - not respond to this - whatever this is - (my head hurts)
(and if you respond to me - I predict - well I'm going to post it there - on the new story I want to be listening to - instead of wasting my time here...)
For your future reference ma'am it's "idiots", not "idjits".
Take care
It's really really nice to see a channel that is able to provide commentary on another channel's video, without completely ripping them to shreds ruthlessly. You both do a great job at explaining facts or making them more clear, while also pointing out that the original creators might not have the specific training y'all have to provide all of the information about the different scenarios possible. I think it's very nice you do that. It's very clear you guys truly love what you do and only want to spread that knowledge. Before I found y'all's videos, diving in general seemed so scary and dangerous, but after hearing of all of the safety precautions/rules/regulations/guidelines and how serious they are taken in the diving community, my opinion has changed completely. My takeaway is: diving is typically only scary and dangerous if the diver makes it that way by not using proper equipment/training, not following the rules(like using a line), or disregarding multiple heeds of warning.
U can find everything he said in the story on Wikipedia. Even the two divers holding on to one another. 1973 Mount Gambier Cave Diving Accident.
@@cbarnes9808so go read and stay of UA-cam
Cave diving, in the words of Christopher Titus; "It's just like anything else, you FOLLOW THE RULES. You don't put a heart patient on a rollercoaster, you don't take a mental patient on a hunting trip with ya!"
At first it made me laugh when I read this. Then I started shaking my head, this is so so true. 👍
Absolutely. I used to dive and it took all I had not to panic on a dive off the Cayman Islands. Sold my gear right away - no longer interested. Can watch these vids with interest but still no desire. BTDT got the koozie, t-shirts and I’m happy on the boat lol. I now use that panic control for getting old lol it ain’t for wimps either lol
Edited to add - my buddy was enraged. Until other divers came back early nausea the water was full of barracuda. No I didn’t see them - but it’s very disconcerting to feel hunted.
Yes Mr Ballen is very accurate with few exceptions.
and . . . Never Ever EVER give up
A mental patient on a hunting trip lmfao! Sounds like fun😂
@@droolies7079 the barracuda weren’t hunting you. But it’s fine to recognize what is and isn’t for you, good for you for knowing your own limits
One thing you have to remember when watching Mr.Ballen is only relaying the information that’s available for that particular story and retelling it in story format.
And yes I’m a huge fan of the Strange, Dark and Mysterious delivered in story format.
I honestly wouldn’t criticize Mr.Ballen judging by what the like button on his channel goes through.😂
Michael, we think he does an amazing job as well.
Oh that poor like button, someone should start a gofundme to pay for its therapy sessions lol
That poor like button has gone through hell with MrBallen lol
Alot of his posts are extremely clickbaity though. Thass just a fact.
@@glumsulk why you gotta lie. 😂
Mr. Ballen always sights his sources in the video description. I was skeptical about the "they embraced" comment so I checked out his sources and found where he got it from. The actual article said "they were found in a position that suggests they may have died while embracing eachother." So Mr. Ballen didn't make it up but he did embellish by presenting a maybe as a fact.
Thank you for reacting to the video I suggested. Overall what are your thoughts about this video and it's accuracy?
Hi Maya, I definitely don’t want to spoil the video for others by giving away too much but in the video we pointed out things he got right when it comes to cave diving and of course things we didn’t agree with completely, you mentioned one of them.
Overall I think that one thing he proved is that you can tell an excellent story without having to inflate it with fantasy. The story he shared was a true story, and he kept us engaged the whole time.
I will say though that this is not the only Mr. Ballen Story in the queue. And the next one may or may not follow the same level of accuracy. 🤭
I still have a request from half the world. You say depth in feet, please say immediately how much it is in meters, you will make our life easier. 😂😛
I’m not fussing but y’all talked right over him while he was explaining how 8 people didn’t ask for permission.... I hope you back it up
@@roolenoir3183 yes they need to pause the video when they talk instead of talking over him
@@MWS1011 if they are reacting to a Mr Ballen video watch in the bottom middle. Me Ballen tends to put this conversion in his videos as a subtitle.
While in Air Force Special Operations, I worked with personnel from all branches from '88 to 2003. 'Mr Ballen,' a former SEAL, seems very typical of the stand up guys I worked with in those years. Hard working, little or no ego, and a great sense of humor. His stories are pretty damn awesome too.
He is the real deal.
PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality
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I’m a massive Mr Ballen fan! I do think he makes it clear that these tragedies happen when people are not properly prepared.
I have only tried diving once, I was so excited to try it I really thought it was going to be awesome… and I didn’t like it at all I was so disappointed
@emma
You need help then...
Things take time to become comfortable
That’s fine Emma
@@lisafoos8976 it wasn’t scary, I felt claustrophobic, felt like I was really having to pull hard to get a breath ( that was likely me feeling a bit panicked due to the claustrophobia) I also could not get the buoyancy right. I would 100% say go try it though, make sure you are going to properly trained, qualified well respected instructors. I kind of wish I had given it a bit more of a chance actually!
@@emmajones8715 It's not too late, is it?
I don’t like caves, I don’t like deep water. This is my darkest nightmare made manifest.
Ginger understood. They can be amazingly beautiful but unforgiven as well .
I'm with you sister.
I love caves....the Man Cave 🤣 pool tables, a bar and a stripper pole
I'm guessing that the guys are asking why no one has EVER laid lines in stage 3. Not asking why there weren't lines already. The divers who found it were novices. It was also in the 1970's...so much has changed in cave diving and diving in general since then.
That and the divers in the story were open water divers not cave divers, so they weren't ready with lines etc...
Yeah, they are making a lot of modern assumptions. I used to explore caves in eastern oregon, many unmapped. I literally don't know how I survived it to be honest. Twice I had both flashlights die on me, in ice caves (full of water) and had to feel my way out. One i new i had to skirt a several hundred feet drop off, only feeling my way...and holy shit, that was a wake up call to have 3 flashlights + extra batteries. Freezing water really sucks in the pure dark. It sucks hard.
@@hicknopunk ur hardcore man
@@omniexistus maybe. It is more a misspent youth exploring all of oregon. Eastern oregon has a TON of caves in the desert. At least then most were marked in books, but offered no info as to what was in the cave, dangers, etc. The caves often had a lot of bees living at the opening, I cared more about getting past them than cave danger 🤣 if you are going caving, also take things you might not think of like enough water for a day, hand warmers (great if the water is deeper than you think) and paper + pen incase you get stuck and die or just want to make your own maps of the inside. You can mark your path by tearing the paper too. It stands out on a flashlight.
@@hicknopunk I mean you should say what era the story occurs in. It obviously adds important context. It isn't on the viewer to look these things up.
Keep in mind, unless a photo in a MrBallen video says "REAL PHOTO", it is a stock photo and not specific to the incident being discussed. I do really enjoy his work, though. I'm glad you've included it.
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