Olajuwon is the only player to win all NBA first team, all defensive first team, MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, and the ring in the same season... He was only #3 in scoring tho
These dudes ain’t got nothing but pre-packaged LeMedia talking points. That’s how you get mindless drones and an idol-worshipping cult following. @cruchtime stay true, young blood ✊🏾
LeBron fans wanna use the argument that Curry doesn’t have more regular season MVP and more final MVPs over LeBron but then when you use the same argument that Jordan has more regular season MVPs and more final MVPs over LeBron they want to come up with more excuses 🤦🏽♂️🤣
That's not close to the only thing lebron has over curry. If that was the only thing he had over him you'd have a point. He has more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks in the regular season and playoffs. He averages more of everything except regular season steals. He has more all nba teams. He has more all defensive teams. He has more allstar selections. He has more mvps. He has more finals mvps. So?
@@RandomClipz4u Almost every argument you just made proves Jordan is the goat. I don't think you even meant it. Jordan's averages are more impressive, further so in the Playoffs (more points + stocks, similar shooting splits despite most of Bron's shots coming with 5 feet, only barely behind in Rebounds/Assists where Jordan STILL has more offensive boards which matter way more than defensive ones). LeBron was an infinitely worse defender and loses in every single accolade that isn't totality (F/MVPs, Rings, etc).
@zzthedon4k Lebron and Jordan direct comparison statistically: 27.2 < 30.1 ppg 7.5 > 6.2 rpg 7.3 > 5.3 apg 1.5 < 2.3 spg 0.7 < 0.8 bpg In the regular season jordan averages more points, blocks and steals than lebron. 28.4 < 33.4 ppg 9.0 > 6.4 rpg 7.2 > 5.7 apg 1.7 < 2.1 spg 1.0 > 0.9 bpg In the playoffs lebron averages more rebounds, assists and blocks. In total he has more of everything except regular season steals.
Nobody had Kareem as the GOAT when he was the all-time leading scorer with 6 rings, but now people are trying to make an argument for LeBron, because he's the all time leading scorer, while having 4 rings (2 less than Kareem), it doesn't make sense.
Only ave. 9 pts. He stretched the floor just like Bosh letting Lebron & Wade get high percentage shots. When ppl just talk stats they tell on themselves that they didnt watch or their IQ is too low to know what they watching. Take Allen off MIA they dont survive gm 6. So Spurs win n 6 & MIA big 3 wins ONE chip n 3 yrs.
@@randywatson6583 search up a video titled "Lebron literally complained more than he played defense" That supposed to be your GOAT? 😂 Just look at that bum playing diva on court, not helping his teammates, and cheating the game .
The 2011 Dirk Mavericks beat Kobe in 4. Beat OKC in 5. The only reason the heat made it to the finals was because the Celtics were hurt. Y'all say LeBron choked but Kobe lost in 4.
Yeah, that made me spit out my tea. I witnessed the 80s era, witnessed the 90s era and MJ becoming a global phenomenon. Once MJ left, the league let out a sigh of relief and started getting soft. The current era is the softest yet, and if you don't take 35+ 3 pointers in every game, you are considered a losing team. I still don't understand why teams resort to taking 3's when they are down. Drive to the bucket, get a high percentage shot or easy layup, hopefully you attract a foul and there's your 3 points. The probability of that happening is more reliable than flipping from 3 and giving up the ball. MJ understood this. He knew he was going to get fouled for an easy 3 points. The man averaged 30 points a game during his entire career without relying on the 3 pointer. The NBA and reliance on analytics caused a problem with how the game should be played and I don't know how they will fix that.
Another thing, basketball in the 70s, 80s, and 90s were a far more difficult era to play in the anything post Jordan. Those eras had resistance, LeBron’s era was freedom of player movement. It’s not close
I literally just Asked On Another Panel “when did Lebron Surpass Kareem” He Had Longevity,He Had All Time Scoring, 6 Rings 5 MVPs, 2 FMVPs(3 if he didn’t get hurt)
Jordan's finals: Replace magic with mj, lakers wins Replace clyde with mj, portland wins Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins... Lebron's final's wins: Replace kd with lebron, heat wins Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay Replace butler with bron, lakers wins U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
The thing is about half of the finals LeBron has been in he wasn’t even the best player on the floor. How can one be the goat when he isn’t even the best player on the damn floor.
Jordan's finals: Replace magic with mj, lakers wins Replace clyde with mj, portland wins Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins... Lebron's final's wins: Replace kd with lebron, heat wins Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay Replace butler with bron, lakers wins U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
Let's just put this out there. Steph won 2 championships with K.D.(basically what the LeMedia called a super team), while winning 2 more without a "super team". LeBron on the other hand has NEVER won a single chip without a stacked deck, super team. LeBron had more help and Steph still won the same amount of rings. That right there shows LeBron is not even better than Steph.
23:55 I’m a Curry fan, BUT even if the adversity 4th chip was dope, you can’t say he didn’t have a super-star WIGGINS added to the team . I’m sorry, but Wiggins was a 1st overall. He may not have been showing his prime abilities up-until-that-chip, but he was a superstar that 100% helped get them to the finish-line *edit - I’m also 100% NOT a LeStan
LeBron not top ten. He’s disqualified cuz he cheated the game and cheated the league by teaming up with the competition and have a superteam to win championships and get his stats while having an easy ride.
1:10 damn cult follower just said it. It is blasphemous to not put LeTurnover at 2nd all time. He ain't top 20 man, without the leauge cheating for him he's draymond green.
Takes like Lebron being someone like draymond.Green, let's you know They're haters and they just don't know basketball.They just want to say blasphemous things for attention because of the hate in their heart
LeBron's fans are the worst to debate because they don't use the same criteria with him as they do with other players. Any fan that has a player other than LeBron as #1 is OK with somebody not having their favorite as the best. That doesn't fly with LeBron's fans, you have to have him as the best too. Not even #2 or they get offended.
Jordan's finals: Replace magic with mj, lakers wins Replace clyde with mj, portland wins Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins... Lebron's final's wins: Replace kd with lebron, heat wins Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay Replace butler with bron, lakers wins U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
LeBron has a 41% win percentage in NBA finals games with 4 chips while Jerry West has a 40% win percentage with 1 chip (both played 55 games in the finals). That means Bron either gets blown out in the finals when he loses or he barely wins when he does. Jordan, Kobe, Curry, Duncan have over a 60 win percentage in the finals. Shaq, Bird, Kareem have over a 50 win percentage in the finals. But the supposed GOAT has a 41 win percentage 💩
@Iceman24424 Shows how little you know about the players in the 60s. Bill Russell was the best player on that team. If you think he wasn't because he wasn't the best scorer than that proves how dumb you are when it comes to basketball.
To me Kareem as the all time leading scorer was more impressive. Here’s why I say that. LeBRONZE🥉🥉 to date has taken 7,124 3’s and made 2,488 Kareem took 18 3’s and made 1. We all knows 3’s help you get your stats quicker. That’s why Kareem doing it with almost all 2’s is way more impressive. 💯
Kevin Love was also pretty damn good. People forget that he was an all-star, finsihed 11th in MVP voting and 2nd All NBA the season before he joined the Cavs in 2015.
Lebron aint top 2. Its laughable. I remember when the MEDIA began comparing him to MJ. I wondered when he passed Magic or Bird. Hes 40% in the finals amd has a worse record against 50 and 60 win teams all while playing with FIFTEEN TOP 5 DRAFT PICKS and ALL stars ON THEIR PRIME. MJ had ONE ALL STAR run with him and never LOSS 3 GAMES IN A ROW during his championship run. The debate is manifactured for social media engagement and is propped up by Lebron's corny fans.
This is why it's hard to argue with bron fans. They listen to the media and don't know any research. Then when u bring up facts they get mad and bring things in that have nothing to do with ball
Same thing LeBron fans always do: Mention stats which are the result of load managing, not playing defense, and longevity. Repeat media narratives which show they didn't watch the game or don't have their own basketball knowledge. Keep changing the goalpost everytime they lose an argument. Say they didnt lose when they get cooked in their argument. Live in their fantasy world where LeBron is ANYWHERE near Jordan, because he obviously. He never even passed Kobe, Magic, and Kareem.
Dude stuttered so damn much, was shut up multiple times, was proven wrong multiple times, and couldn't give anything relevant even while typing it up and looking for it 😂😂😂
These leb😢fans are getting cooked by the young boy crunch..much respect homie in a fan..been listening for a minute bro keep cooking and here dummies yo😂😂😂
These clowns talk about Steph had all this help with kd, klay and dray and Jordan had all this help with Scottie and Rodman but at the same time Bron has played with.... Wade, AD, Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Ray Allen, Shaq, Carmelo, Rondo, Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Ben Wallace.... I mean they should be trying to avoid the subject at this point. Career totals are garbage, per game/season stats plus results are 👑
Yo Crunch you gone have to look at Kevin Love the year before joining Lebron. He was top in per behind kD and Bron and he was a top mvp candidate. I could argue he would've been Jokic before Jokic had he stayed where he was. The dude was a superstar and if he wasn't just ask Timberwolves fans at that time
Bron has played with a bunch of FRANCHISE players not just All-Stars and a lot HOFs. -D.Wade was the Heat franchise player and the 3rd greatest SG of All-Time. -Bosh was the Raptors franchise player and top 5 PF who was top 10 in scoring and top 5 in rebounding. Kyrie was the Cavs franchise player and didn't want Bron back on the Cavs tbh. The Cavs drafted Tristan Thompson at the 4th pick and then Wiggins as #1 picks and Bron came back, got rid of Wiggins and recruited K.Love. -K. Love was the best PF in 2014 and averaged 26, 13, and 4 and was in the MVP voting.... -AD was the Pelicans franchise player before joining Bron and he has consistently averaged 25 and 12, with 2 blocks per game and is the best PF in the NBA or at least 1B to Giannis. Russ who's arguably a top 5-7 PG? A walking triple double and 1X MVP.
Kevin Love was getting nowhere in Minnesota. What did he do in the playoffs before going to Cleveland? At least Jokic was making deep post season runs.
It don't matter, Love was a legit MVP candidate, franchise player and best PF and the best rebounder. He went from 26, 13 and 4 to a spot up shooter once he teamed up with Bron dude. AD was in the same situation too but it doesn't matter because the level of play he had was elite.
@syzorst he wasn't on a great team not even a good team in my opinion dude but as an individual he was a great player. If he wasn't then why did Lebrick need him on his team and trade the number 1 pick for him. I can argue that without Love and Kyrie, Lebronze never did shit in Cleveland because he didn't win. Yall did Chris Bosh the same shit Lebron ruined the legacy of the greats that joined his team. This is what Crunch be talking about but I can't wait till he goes live on UA-cam cause I'll be there and I guarantee you don't want this smoke I cam tell Crunch be being nice because he has to explain things knowing yall can't comprehend but I'm gone hurt your feelings you just downplay love for Lebronze cause you a hoe
These young folks are far too stat driven. Offensive stat driven. Andre Iguodala won Finals MVP in 2015 for the defense he played on LeBron James and also contributing mightily on the offensive end. Now, these poor delusional Lebron fans would fight back and say something rudimentary like “Iguodala’s defense? Lebron average 36, 13rebs, 9ast.” The problem with this line of thinking is that it ignores all the other aspects of the game. Lebron might’ve averaged 36 but he shot incredibly poorly from the field. These guys will mention, “Oh, he didn’t have Kyrie or K Love” and I would ask, isn’t your guy a “pass first” player. What an excellent opportunity to showcase his innate passing skills along with his natural ability to make players better. He didn’t elect to do that though. Something he so could’ve done being that the Lebron James system is a heliocentric system. He could’ve got his teammates more involved instead of jacking up 33 shots a game and only making 13. LeBron elected to shot jack and his team paid the price. Not only did they take the loss, they all took the blame while the King walks out squeaky blameless on the other side. That’s not how it works, though. This is grown man business and if you are the guy on a team that runs an offense catered to you and your “skillsets, when that team fails, the blame is on you…LeBron James.
3:42 lefaker only deserves 1 FMVP. Steph got robbed twice in 2015 and 2018. So Steph > LeTurnover. Again if you play by the rules the superteam league mvps aren't deserved. So 2 to 2 and Steph has the only unanimous MVP in NBA history.
Lebron took all the superstars , Lebron and his team behind him, agent etc. strategically orchestrated Lebrons rings and fake status. Lebron believes his own bull crap
Jordan's finals: Replace magic with mj, lakers wins Replace clyde with mj, portland wins Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins... Lebron's final's wins: Replace kd with lebron, heat wins Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay Replace butler with bron, lakers wins U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
You can't be the greatest of you sport when you have a losing record in championship series He's closer to being 2-8 in the finals than 4-6. Without that Ray Allen shot, they lose. Granted Kyrie and Love were injured, so that is a wash. They were also down 3-1 in 2016. Green got suspended and Bogut was injured
Only LeBron fans use regular season stats as a reason to be the GOAT but overlook the fact that GREATNESS IS MEASURED BY WHAT YOU DO WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST 💯🗣🎯
Why are we even ranking a guy who cheated the game like LeBron has Does the cycling world still love lance Armstrong? Why the fuck does the basketball world still love LeBron ?
@syzorst the miami superteam he was on ushering in the entitled player era where players hold their team hostage for things like more money or special contracts the flopping the constant lying the excuse making when he gets swept or loses in the finals always throwing his team and teammates under the bus getting players traded behind their backs getting coaches fired behind their backs always complaining about not having enough help even though he's played with more hall of famers than anyone else in NBA history the excessive complaining to the refs the load management he does on and off the court the accusations that he's doing steroids getting his bum ass son a spot on the Lakers when he wasn't even good in college averaging 4 points a game ... getting his no experience having podcast partner to be the head coach of the Lakers LeBron is not playing defense anymore....he's shooting too many 3s he shooting too much in general he's yelling at his teammates when he's the one who messes up...and last but not least not having the balls to retire and walk away and pass the torch to the younger generation... What I wanna know is why do you act like you've never heard anyone ever say these things before about lebron James like this is all news to you? "How has LeBron James cheated the game"??? Really? Come on man stop lying I know you've heard these things before your probably just a LeBron fan who cant fathom why anyone would be critical of LeBron like LeBron is some perfect basketball god If you are a real fan of basketball then you'd notice the blatent abuse of the game first and notice and understand the criticism of LeBron second but no your just concerned about lebron and can't seem to understand why people hate him 😂
Jordan's finals: Replace magic with mj, lakers wins Replace clyde with mj, portland wins Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins... Lebron's final's wins: Replace kd with lebron, heat wins Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay Replace butler with bron, lakers wins U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
In 13 seasons with the bulls 6 championships 6 finals MVPs 5 regular season MVPs 10 scoring titles 9 first team all defensive 3 steals titles DPOY Rookie of the year Olympic gold 3 all star MVPs 2 dunk titles This has only been done 4, times in NBA history; Lead the league in scoring, first team all defensive, won the MVP, and WON the finals MVP, in the same season. Michael Jordan Michael Jordan Michael Jordan Michael Jordan Only 5 players in NBA history have won the NBA championship and scoring title in the same year Shaq did it 1 time, Cream 1 time, George Miken 1 time, Joe folks 1 time, MJ did it 6 times. From November of 1990 until he retired from the Bulls in 1998 MJ never had a 3 game losing streak that’s 626 games without losing 3 games in a row 312 game more than anyone else. THIS THE DEFINITION OF GOAT!
MJ has 70 games where he scored at least 40+ points on 60% shooting 35 more than anyone else. MJ is the only person in NBA history that won the MVP, scoring title, first team all defense a NBA championship and finals MVP in the same season, and he did this 4 times! MJ has the most scoring titles and first team all defensive in the same season with 9. MJ is the only player in NBA history to win the scoring title and DPOY in the same season, and his 35 point scoring average is the highest of all time by a DPOY. MJ 32.6 ppg is the highest in NBA history in a championship season. All time recorded MJ is the only perimeter player in NBA history to average 30 points per game on 50% shooting and he did this 5 times. All time recorded MJ holds the all time record for points scored in a season 11 times, and the all time record with 10 scoring titles Wilt Chamberlain is second with 7, and MJ hold the all tme for highest ppg scoring average for a career at 30.12 against Wilt is second at 30.07. He also hold the all time record for ppg playoff record at 33.45. MJ holds the NBA record for most points ever scored in a playoff game 63. MJ holds the record for most consecutive scores in the playoffs at 13 consecutive scores without a miss. MJs playoff records Most free throws made in a quarter 13 Most field golds made 24 Most 50 point games 8, he has more 50 point games in the playoffs than he has games where he scored under 20, with only 6 under 20. Hes more likely to drop 50 than to score under 20. Most 40 point games 38 Only player in NBA history to never score fewer that 15 points in any game he ever played in. Only player in NBA history to never be held under 20 points in a finals game. MJ has the most blocks by a guard in a single season at 131 not only is he first on the all time list he is second also with 125. MJ played 24 games as the starting point guard and averaged 30.4 points 9.2 rebounds 10.7 assists and 2.5 steals on 50% shooting. And a stretch of 10 triple doubles in 11 games, On the year he was first in win shares first in PPE and first in plus/minus. MJ played 82 games 9 times in his 13 seasons with Chicago, he only missed 7 games in 13 season out side of his second year in the league when he broke his foot and missed most of the season. At North Carolina he ran a 4.3 40 yard dash. With a 48 vertical. As a Rockies MJ lead his team in points rebounds assist and steals he’s the only player in NBA history to do that. CLUCH For MJs career he was 9 of 18 in the playoffs with less than 24 seconds remaining to tie or take the lead in the 4th quarter or overtime, he was a perfect 3 for 3 when facing elimination and 4 for 7 when his team had a chance to clinch. MJ playoff runs they were 42 and 0 in the playoffs and 210 and 5 in the regular season when leading by 10 points going in to the 4th quarter. Fewer than 20 points MJ 155 times Bron 255 games Points scored in a single season MJ 3041 one of only 2 players in NBA history that has scored 3000 points in a single season.
❌NEWS FLASH❌ The 16 Warriors have the best regular season record but the 96 Bulls have the best complete season record when you add in the post season. Bulls 72-10 regular 15-3 post = 87-13 Warriors 73-9 regular 15- 9 post - 88-18 Just saying 🤷♂️
The dude vouching for Lebron sounds stupid. Just because he got the most points, does NOT mean he's the greatest. If you 0lay long enough, you're gonna pass people up. So there are people who have more points than Jordan (because he hasn't played in over 20 years), that doesn't mean they're better. Lebron has been playing over 20 years and lost in the finals 6 times. Only 4 titles? He is NOT top 2. That's MJ and Kobe. Period.
All facts!!! Lebron is 38 perc from midrange,34 perc from 3 in a 3 ball era and 74 perc from the freetrowline his whole career. Thats average!!! I never saw other greats shoot airball freetrows tho. And gamewise Lebron isn’t in my top 5 !! The man never made a game winning bucket in the finals and every teammates stats were better before joining Lebron,wade, bosh, love , kyrie and even AD!!! They all adjust to his system to make his nrs rise!!!
This is the greatest video on UA-cam
Jordan is the only player to win 1st team defense, MVP, playoff MVP, and scoring title. He did that 4 times.
Don’t forget that it’s only been done 4 times in the history of the NBA and all jordan
why we talking about jordan, lebum not even top 10
@@dgen77 Yep😁
Olajuwon is the only player to win all NBA first team, all defensive first team, MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, and the ring in the same season... He was only #3 in scoring tho
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 just another stat that lebron has never accomplished and I have Olajawon over lebron I put him in my top 10
These dudes ain’t got nothing but pre-packaged LeMedia talking points. That’s how you get mindless drones and an idol-worshipping cult following.
@cruchtime stay true, young blood ✊🏾
Absolutely
Facts
Bruh you Jordan d riders are exactly the same 😅
LeBron fans wanna use the argument that Curry doesn’t have more regular season MVP and more final MVPs over LeBron but then when you use the same argument that Jordan has more regular season MVPs and more final MVPs over LeBron they want to come up with more excuses 🤦🏽♂️🤣
That's not close to the only thing lebron has over curry. If that was the only thing he had over him you'd have a point. He has more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks in the regular season and playoffs. He averages more of everything except regular season steals. He has more all nba teams. He has more all defensive teams. He has more allstar selections. He has more mvps. He has more finals mvps. So?
@RandomClipz4u You wanna know what curry has over Lebron, though? The head to head record, which proves who was actually better...
@@whenisdinner2137 ok so Isiah Thomas is better than Michael Jordan. 3-1 right?
@@RandomClipz4u Almost every argument you just made proves Jordan is the goat. I don't think you even meant it. Jordan's averages are more impressive, further so in the Playoffs (more points + stocks, similar shooting splits despite most of Bron's shots coming with 5 feet, only barely behind in Rebounds/Assists where Jordan STILL has more offensive boards which matter way more than defensive ones). LeBron was an infinitely worse defender and loses in every single accolade that isn't totality (F/MVPs, Rings, etc).
@zzthedon4k Lebron and Jordan direct comparison statistically:
27.2 < 30.1 ppg
7.5 > 6.2 rpg
7.3 > 5.3 apg
1.5 < 2.3 spg
0.7 < 0.8 bpg
In the regular season jordan averages more points, blocks and steals than lebron.
28.4 < 33.4 ppg
9.0 > 6.4 rpg
7.2 > 5.7 apg
1.7 < 2.1 spg
1.0 > 0.9 bpg
In the playoffs lebron averages more rebounds, assists and blocks.
In total he has more of everything except regular season steals.
Nobody had Kareem as the GOAT when he was the all-time leading scorer with 6 rings, but now people are trying to make an argument for LeBron, because he's the all time leading scorer, while having 4 rings (2 less than Kareem), it doesn't make sense.
FACTS!! Kareem played less seasons but played full seasons and dominated the scoring list with just a damn skyhook lmao.
Ayo Crunch the timing of your clapbacks & the way u go tit-for-tat with facts be hilarious to me 😂😂
Keep cooking these Bron worshippers💯😅
Bron lost to the Mavericks & had a super team. Scored 8 points in a Finals game. His accolades are manufactured
Ray Allen as a fourth option is crazy. You can’t get more built than that…
lebron had. no help
Only ave. 9 pts. He stretched the floor just like Bosh letting Lebron & Wade get high percentage shots.
When ppl just talk stats they tell on themselves that they didnt watch or their IQ is too low to know what they watching.
Take Allen off MIA they dont survive gm 6. So Spurs win n 6 & MIA big 3 wins ONE chip n 3 yrs.
Ray Allen was not in his prime, Carmelo Anthony wasn't in his prime.Westbrook wasn't in his prime and I can keep going Ben wallace either
@@RichboiRob he was so old he hit the biggest shot of that series
The media and espn will tell these lies about lebron being top 2.
2014 Spurs just annihilate LBJ and the Heat by more than 15 points in the Finals. That is HISTORY. lol
The 2011 choke job! Just reminding all the LeBron fans! 😂
2004 choke job for Kobe
@@randywatson6583 search up a video titled
"Lebron literally complained more than he played defense"
That supposed to be your GOAT? 😂 Just look at that bum playing diva on court, not helping his teammates, and cheating the game .
@@randywatson6583 What happen to Shaq?
The 2011 Dirk Mavericks beat Kobe in 4. Beat OKC in 5. The only reason the heat made it to the finals was because the Celtics were hurt. Y'all say LeBron choked but Kobe lost in 4.
@@randywatson6583lebron got smoked by Jason Terry! Go head I’ll wait.
I believe that nobody in today's era is a top-50 player except curry
Durant n Curry to me, thats it.
18:13 no it's that MJ got a scoring title, leauge MVP, FMVP and made 1st team all defense in a single season. And he is the ONLY player to do so, 4X!
Dude is equating making it to the Finals 8 times to winning the Finals 8 times.
The most difficult to play era? LMFAO
Did you hear that lmaooo they talk every point they hear from modern analysts
Yeah, that made me spit out my tea. I witnessed the 80s era, witnessed the 90s era and MJ becoming a global phenomenon. Once MJ left, the league let out a sigh of relief and started getting soft. The current era is the softest yet, and if you don't take 35+ 3 pointers in every game, you are considered a losing team. I still don't understand why teams resort to taking 3's when they are down. Drive to the bucket, get a high percentage shot or easy layup, hopefully you attract a foul and there's your 3 points. The probability of that happening is more reliable than flipping from 3 and giving up the ball.
MJ understood this. He knew he was going to get fouled for an easy 3 points. The man averaged 30 points a game during his entire career without relying on the 3 pointer. The NBA and reliance on analytics caused a problem with how the game should be played and I don't know how they will fix that.
Yep, the era that legalized zone defense and help defense.
Another thing, basketball in the 70s, 80s, and 90s were a far more difficult era to play in the anything post Jordan. Those eras had resistance, LeBron’s era was freedom of player movement. It’s not close
crush them fanbois! Tbh, Curry's 2022 championship holds more value than lbj's rings combined.
How when the 2016 comeback ring is more valuable than any ring Steph has and it was at his expense?
Another lie and dumb take
@@maabin26kel cause that ring was rigged, doesn’t hold any real value
@@RichboiRob disgusting fool
@maabin26kel which one was worse, Steph loss in 16 or Bron in 11?
Bron's way outside Top Ten
he is in but not top 1,2
That's cap.... lebron, at the very worst, is top 3. I have him at 2.
@@bigred9991 Bron's impossible to rank with all his superteam chasing lol
@@sunshinehwyah I see. Good point. Literally chasing superteams to get to the finals.
@@rlm78iii Literally, and stans like to compare the Celtics. KG was traded, and had he pulled a LeQuitness, he goes to the Lakers in 2004.
I literally just Asked On Another Panel “when did Lebron Surpass Kareem” He Had Longevity,He Had All Time Scoring, 6 Rings 5 MVPs, 2 FMVPs(3 if he didn’t get hurt)
@@Azariah-Israel he actually has 6 mvps too his resume is way better
Jordan's finals:
Replace magic with mj, lakers wins
Replace clyde with mj, portland wins
Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins...
Lebron's final's wins:
Replace kd with lebron, heat wins
Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins
Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay
Replace butler with bron, lakers wins
U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
Kareem was robbed
@@josephjudah77so lebron resume is better than Kobe but y'all still say Kobe better
The thing is about half of the finals LeBron has been in he wasn’t even the best player on the floor. How can one be the goat when he isn’t even the best player on the damn floor.
Even a top 15 doesn't make sense for Balco
Jordan's finals:
Replace magic with mj, lakers wins
Replace clyde with mj, portland wins
Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins...
Lebron's final's wins:
Replace kd with lebron, heat wins
Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins
Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay
Replace butler with bron, lakers wins
U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
I replace Balco with JJ in 2011 Heat will win that series. Any way Balco only wins NBa title if he got super teams and loss more.
Let's just put this out there. Steph won 2 championships with K.D.(basically what the LeMedia called a super team), while winning 2 more without a "super team". LeBron on the other hand has NEVER won a single chip without a stacked deck, super team.
LeBron had more help and Steph still won the same amount of rings. That right there shows LeBron is not even better than Steph.
23:55 I’m a Curry fan, BUT even if the adversity 4th chip was dope, you can’t say he didn’t have a super-star WIGGINS added to the team
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I’m sorry, but Wiggins was a 1st overall. He may not have been showing his prime abilities up-until-that-chip, but he was a superstar that 100% helped get them to the finish-line
*edit - I’m also 100% NOT a LeStan
LeBron fans are just stupid. There arguments always get destroyed. They can never have a legit argument. And it’s all narrative.
LeBron not top ten. He’s disqualified cuz he cheated the game and cheated the league by teaming up with the competition and have a superteam to win championships and get his stats while having an easy ride.
1:10 damn cult follower just said it. It is blasphemous to not put LeTurnover at 2nd all time.
He ain't top 20 man, without the leauge cheating for him he's draymond green.
Takes like Lebron being someone like draymond.Green, let's you know They're haters and they just don't know basketball.They just want to say blasphemous things for attention because of the hate in their heart
Leflop and Draymond are comparable for real !!! 💯💯💯
LeBron's fans are the worst to debate because they don't use the same criteria with him as they do with other players.
Any fan that has a player other than LeBron as #1 is OK with somebody not having their favorite as the best. That doesn't fly with LeBron's fans, you have to have him as the best too. Not even #2 or they get offended.
How is it harder to play in this era when thyw play no defense and mad rules to make scoring easier? There's no resistance in this era.
"Steph had Steve Kerr"...
Steve Kerr had health issues in 2016.
Luke Walton as interim head coach was 39-4....they started 24-0.
Stay cooking brother 🔥
Scoring a lot is useless if it can't win a lot of championships.
He cooked the fan boys 🤣🤣
Jordan's finals:
Replace magic with mj, lakers wins
Replace clyde with mj, portland wins
Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins...
Lebron's final's wins:
Replace kd with lebron, heat wins
Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins
Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay
Replace butler with bron, lakers wins
U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
He got flamed 😆
@christopherlouisecheng690 if you put lebron on jordans bulls teams and they don't win one ring especially that first 3 peat team.
Cake walk EVERY year in the LEASTERN conference. It’s a joke
The 2nd dude said Lebron LOST to a team with a struggling Steph Curry😂😂man I'm dead
LeBron fans are truly fanatics! Steph 3-1 vs Bron in the Finals.
thats why he is not black Jesus
LeBron has a 41% win percentage in NBA finals games with 4 chips while Jerry West has a 40% win percentage with 1 chip (both played 55 games in the finals). That means Bron either gets blown out in the finals when he loses or he barely wins when he does. Jordan, Kobe, Curry, Duncan have over a 60 win percentage in the finals. Shaq, Bird, Kareem have over a 50 win percentage in the finals. But the supposed GOAT has a 41 win percentage 💩
Facts, fam
So does that mean you have Bill Russell rank higher above everyone else?
@@syzorstHow?? He wasn’t even the best player on his team?? You fanboys be reaching and doesn’t know a damn thing about basketball 🤡🤡🍯🍯🍯
@Iceman24424 Shows how little you know about the players in the 60s. Bill Russell was the best player on that team. If you think he wasn't because he wasn't the best scorer than that proves how dumb you are when it comes to basketball.
@@syzorstI have bill top 5
He shouldn't be ranked at all
I swear to god these guys would put lebron’s sweat towel in their mouths if they thought nobody would know.
They would do it right out in public under the lights for everyone to see!!!
Real sports fans see through LeBron's game. LeBron is the system for his stats. Teams want to play one way. LeBron wants to play another way.
THIS!!!!! 💯
That 2nd guy got hella cooked 😂
Steph beat labron 3 times in finals
Lebrons worst playoff series. 2011 Mavs averaged 17 points a game and led his team in turnovers. Steph averaged 22 in his worst series.
To me Kareem as the all time leading scorer was more impressive. Here’s why I say that. LeBRONZE🥉🥉 to date has taken 7,124 3’s and made 2,488
Kareem took 18 3’s and made 1. We all knows 3’s help you get your stats quicker. That’s why Kareem doing it with almost all 2’s is way more impressive. 💯
Kevin Love was also pretty damn good. People forget that he was an all-star, finsihed 11th in MVP voting and 2nd All NBA the season before he joined the Cavs in 2015.
Facts. He was the man during his days in Minnesota. He was on his way to the HOF but sacrificed his game for the sake of the team.
Lebron aint top 2. Its laughable. I remember when the MEDIA began comparing him to MJ. I wondered when he passed Magic or Bird. Hes 40% in the finals amd has a worse record against 50 and 60 win teams all while playing with FIFTEEN TOP 5 DRAFT PICKS and ALL stars ON THEIR PRIME. MJ had ONE ALL STAR run with him and never LOSS 3 GAMES IN A ROW during his championship run.
The debate is manifactured for social media engagement and is propped up by Lebron's corny fans.
That was a cooking!
Bro IS GETTING COOKED
LEBRON FANS, LOGIC = KRYPTONITE
As soon as he said “25 points aren’t MVP Numbers” I immediately thought of D Rose . You cooked on this one 🔥🔥
Crunch is cooking
This is why it's hard to argue with bron fans. They listen to the media and don't know any research. Then when u bring up facts they get mad and bring things in that have nothing to do with ball
spurs vs shaq-hack a shaq,vs LeBron just let him shoot-IN A BASKETBALL GAME!?
Bro said Paul George was on D rose level? Ha
Curry was the biggest reason for the warriors success, franchise player , media favors bouncing around more than loyal franchise players
Same thing LeBron fans always do:
Mention stats which are the result of load managing, not playing defense, and longevity.
Repeat media narratives which show they didn't watch the game or don't have their own basketball knowledge.
Keep changing the goalpost everytime they lose an argument.
Say they didnt lose when they get cooked in their argument.
Live in their fantasy world where LeBron is ANYWHERE near Jordan, because he obviously. He never even passed Kobe, Magic, and Kareem.
People in there feelings trying too debate a guy with his own channel that does his research is entertaining af
19:34 such disrespect. Because Wilt has way better stats than the stat chaser himself you don't wanna talk about him.
It’s useless trying to prove to these fanboys that bron ain’t top 10! They move the goalposts and change narratives to make these dumbass arguments!
I like how they act like ilgaskus was garbage as well as Varejo and Carlos Boozer.
Dude stuttered so damn much, was shut up multiple times, was proven wrong multiple times, and couldn't give anything relevant even while typing it up and looking for it 😂😂😂
LeBum beat a Thunder team whos starting 5 average just 23,24 years old. 😊
Honestly his reasons are actually valid his arguments are solid
Once he brought Kareem is argument went to quicksand
Why this crunch guy destroying these people with simple common sense 😂😂😂
Great analysis! Much respect to you! 💯
This man got cooked so bad,he's Thanksgiving dinner city of Cleveland 😂😂😂
Cook crunch this LeBron fans dicked out. 🤦🏾♂️ 😂
Lebron’s 2016 chip was just a fluke!!!cmon now y’all know he wasn’t able to beat the warriors again.
CrunchTimeTv I fuks with you! This is my first video and you have a new subscriber in me bro💯
These leb😢fans are getting cooked by the young boy crunch..much respect homie in a fan..been listening for a minute bro keep cooking and here dummies yo😂😂😂
Algorithm brought me a good one fr
Don't forget Chris bosh cause he was a franchise superstar
These clowns talk about Steph had all this help with kd, klay and dray and Jordan had all this help with Scottie and Rodman but at the same time Bron has played with.... Wade, AD, Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Ray Allen, Shaq, Carmelo, Rondo, Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Ben Wallace.... I mean they should be trying to avoid the subject at this point.
Career totals are garbage, per game/season stats plus results are 👑
Yo Crunch you gone have to look at Kevin Love the year before joining Lebron. He was top in per behind kD and Bron and he was a top mvp candidate. I could argue he would've been Jokic before Jokic had he stayed where he was. The dude was a superstar and if he wasn't just ask Timberwolves fans at that time
Bron has played with a bunch of FRANCHISE players not just All-Stars and a lot HOFs.
-D.Wade was the Heat franchise player and the 3rd greatest SG of All-Time.
-Bosh was the Raptors franchise player and top 5 PF who was top 10 in scoring and top 5 in rebounding.
Kyrie was the Cavs franchise player and didn't want Bron back on the Cavs tbh. The Cavs drafted Tristan Thompson at the 4th pick and then Wiggins as #1 picks and Bron came back, got rid of Wiggins and recruited K.Love.
-K. Love was the best PF in 2014 and averaged 26, 13, and 4 and was in the MVP voting....
-AD was the Pelicans franchise player before joining Bron and he has consistently averaged 25 and 12, with 2 blocks per game and is the best PF in the NBA or at least 1B to Giannis.
Russ who's arguably a top 5-7 PG? A walking triple double and 1X MVP.
Kevin Love was getting nowhere in Minnesota. What did he do in the playoffs before going to Cleveland? At least Jokic was making deep post season runs.
@@savonsanders8684 So? No one wins a championship by themselves.
It don't matter, Love was a legit MVP candidate, franchise player and best PF and the best rebounder. He went from 26, 13 and 4 to a spot up shooter once he teamed up with Bron dude. AD was in the same situation too but it doesn't matter because the level of play he had was elite.
@syzorst he wasn't on a great team not even a good team in my opinion dude but as an individual he was a great player. If he wasn't then why did Lebrick need him on his team and trade the number 1 pick for him. I can argue that without Love and Kyrie, Lebronze never did shit in Cleveland because he didn't win. Yall did Chris Bosh the same shit Lebron ruined the legacy of the greats that joined his team. This is what Crunch be talking about but I can't wait till he goes live on UA-cam cause I'll be there and I guarantee you don't want this smoke I cam tell Crunch be being nice because he has to explain things knowing yall can't comprehend but I'm gone hurt your feelings you just downplay love for Lebronze cause you a hoe
I remember when bron was winning the east they had teams that would've been 6th or 7th in the west but we're 4th or 5th n the west
This man be cooking lol
These young folks are far too stat driven. Offensive stat driven. Andre Iguodala won Finals MVP in 2015 for the defense he played on LeBron James and also contributing mightily on the offensive end. Now, these poor delusional Lebron fans would fight back and say something rudimentary like “Iguodala’s defense? Lebron average 36, 13rebs, 9ast.” The problem with this line of thinking is that it ignores all the other aspects of the game. Lebron might’ve averaged 36 but he shot incredibly poorly from the field. These guys will mention, “Oh, he didn’t have Kyrie or K Love” and I would ask, isn’t your guy a “pass first” player. What an excellent opportunity to showcase his innate passing skills along with his natural ability to make players better. He didn’t elect to do that though. Something he so could’ve done being that the Lebron James system is a heliocentric system. He could’ve got his teammates more involved instead of jacking up 33 shots a game and only making 13. LeBron elected to shot jack and his team paid the price. Not only did they take the loss, they all took the blame while the King walks out squeaky blameless on the other side. That’s not how it works, though. This is grown man business and if you are the guy on a team that runs an offense catered to you and your “skillsets, when that team fails, the blame is on you…LeBron James.
Who said this is the most competitive era ? I rarely see defense being played
3:42 lefaker only deserves 1 FMVP. Steph got robbed twice in 2015 and 2018. So Steph > LeTurnover.
Again if you play by the rules the superteam league mvps aren't deserved. So 2 to 2 and Steph has the only unanimous MVP in NBA history.
Lebron took all the superstars , Lebron and his team behind him, agent etc. strategically orchestrated Lebrons rings and fake status. Lebron believes his own bull crap
Kd really was only there for 2 rings. He pulled a disappearing act in 2019 and 2020 is non existent.
You cooking 👨🏽🍳
No he isn't he talking to people who don't know how to debate
@ you would say the same thing he said about Lebron… nothing new nothing different… you would get cooked to👨🏽🍳😂😂😂😂
@@randywatson6583 ohhhhh Randy… what you saying different 😂😂😂😂
Lebum is realy 3-10 exactly he dont have a dynasty with one team so he allready los
T the goat debate when he lost 6 finals
Jordan never lost a finals
Jordan's finals:
Replace magic with mj, lakers wins
Replace clyde with mj, portland wins
Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins...
Lebron's final's wins:
Replace kd with lebron, heat wins
Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins
Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay
Replace butler with bron, lakers wins
U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
Thank you for cooking this fan
2016 Warriors without Durant isnt better than the 2017 Warriors with Durant
You can't be the greatest of you sport when you have a losing record in championship series
He's closer to being 2-8 in the finals than 4-6. Without that Ray Allen shot, they lose. Granted Kyrie and Love were injured, so that is a wash. They were also down 3-1 in 2016. Green got suspended and Bogut was injured
Bro got some valid points, but the bias is too strong.
THERAPY TIME
Only LeBron fans use regular season stats as a reason to be the GOAT but overlook the fact that GREATNESS IS MEASURED BY WHAT YOU DO WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST 💯🗣🎯
A crunch out here killing em
Why are we even ranking a guy who cheated the game like LeBron has
Does the cycling world still love lance Armstrong?
Why the fuck does the basketball world still love LeBron ?
How did he cheat the game?
@syzorst the miami superteam he was on ushering in the entitled player era where players hold their team hostage for things like more money or special contracts the flopping the constant lying the excuse making when he gets swept or loses in the finals always throwing his team and teammates under the bus getting players traded behind their backs getting coaches fired behind their backs always complaining about not having enough help even though he's played with more hall of famers than anyone else in NBA history the excessive complaining to the refs the load management he does on and off the court the accusations that he's doing steroids getting his bum ass son a spot on the Lakers when he wasn't even good in college averaging 4 points a game ... getting his no experience having podcast partner to be the head coach of the Lakers LeBron is not playing defense anymore....he's shooting too many 3s he shooting too much in general he's yelling at his teammates when he's the one who messes up...and last but not least not having the balls to retire and walk away and pass the torch to the younger generation...
What I wanna know is why do you act like you've never heard anyone ever say these things before about lebron James like this is all news to you?
"How has LeBron James cheated the game"??? Really?
Come on man stop lying I know you've heard these things before your probably just a LeBron fan who cant fathom why anyone would be critical of LeBron like LeBron is some perfect basketball god
If you are a real fan of basketball then you'd notice the blatent abuse of the game first and notice and understand the criticism of LeBron second but no your just concerned about lebron and can't seem to understand why people hate him 😂
No lie, baby boy cookin 😂😂
Steph averaged 27.5 pts in 2018 lebalco averaged 25.3 in 2013.
2018 Steph > peak lebronze.
Jordan's finals:
Replace magic with mj, lakers wins
Replace clyde with mj, portland wins
Replace barkley payton stockton or malone with mj then their team wins...
Lebron's final's wins:
Replace kd with lebron, heat wins
Replace duncan with lebron, heat wins
Replace curry with lebron, this is debatable but i think kyrie love and curry can win over bron dray and klay
Replace butler with bron, lakers wins
U can technically replace lebron with other teams' superstar and that team still wins ...hell put dirk on that 2011 heats team with wade and bosh and put bron on dallas and that series will be a SWEEP
@@christopherlouisecheng690nah Mike slaughters all of them
In 13 seasons with the bulls
6 championships
6 finals MVPs
5 regular season MVPs
10 scoring titles
9 first team all defensive
3 steals titles
DPOY
Rookie of the year
Olympic gold
3 all star MVPs
2 dunk titles
This has only been done 4, times in NBA history;
Lead the league in scoring, first team all defensive, won the MVP, and WON the finals MVP, in the same season.
Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan
Only 5 players in NBA history have won the NBA championship and scoring title in the same year
Shaq did it 1 time, Cream 1 time, George Miken 1 time, Joe folks 1 time, MJ did it 6 times.
From November of 1990 until he retired from the Bulls in 1998 MJ never had a 3 game losing streak that’s 626 games without losing 3 games in a row 312 game more than anyone else. THIS THE DEFINITION OF GOAT!
MJ has 70 games where he scored at least 40+ points on 60% shooting 35 more than anyone else.
MJ is the only person in NBA history that won the MVP, scoring title, first team all defense a NBA championship and finals MVP in the same season, and he did this 4 times!
MJ has the most scoring titles and first team all defensive in the same season with 9.
MJ is the only player in NBA history to win the scoring title and DPOY in the same season, and his 35 point scoring average is the highest of all time by a DPOY.
MJ 32.6 ppg is the highest in NBA history in a championship season. All time recorded
MJ is the only perimeter player in NBA history to average 30 points per game on 50% shooting and he did this 5 times. All time recorded
MJ holds the all time record for points scored in a season 11 times, and the all time record with 10 scoring titles Wilt Chamberlain is second with 7, and MJ hold the all tme for highest ppg scoring average for a career at 30.12 against Wilt is second at 30.07. He also hold the all time record for ppg playoff record at 33.45.
MJ holds the NBA record for most points ever scored in a playoff game 63.
MJ holds the record for most consecutive scores in the playoffs at 13 consecutive scores without a miss.
MJs playoff records
Most free throws made in a quarter 13
Most field golds made 24
Most 50 point games 8, he has more 50 point games in the playoffs than he has games where he scored under 20, with only 6 under 20. Hes more likely to drop 50 than to score under 20.
Most 40 point games 38
Only player in NBA history to never score fewer that 15 points in any game he ever played in.
Only player in NBA history to never be held under 20 points in a finals game.
MJ has the most blocks by a guard in a single season at 131 not only is he first on the all time list he is second also with 125.
MJ played 24 games as the starting point guard and averaged 30.4 points 9.2 rebounds 10.7 assists and 2.5 steals on 50% shooting. And a stretch of 10 triple doubles in 11 games, On the year he was first in win shares first in PPE and first in plus/minus.
MJ played 82 games 9 times in his 13 seasons with Chicago, he only missed 7 games in 13 season out side of his second year in the league when he broke his foot and missed most of the season.
At North Carolina he ran a 4.3 40 yard dash. With a 48 vertical.
As a Rockies MJ lead his team in points rebounds assist and steals he’s the only player in NBA history to do that.
CLUCH
For MJs career he was 9 of 18 in the playoffs with less than 24 seconds remaining to tie or take the lead in the 4th quarter or overtime, he was a perfect 3 for 3 when facing elimination and 4 for 7 when his team had a chance to clinch.
MJ playoff runs they were 42 and 0 in the playoffs and 210 and 5 in the regular season when leading by 10 points going in to the 4th quarter.
Fewer than 20 points MJ 155 times Bron 255 games
Points scored in a single season MJ 3041 one of only 2 players in NBA history that has scored 3000 points in a single season.
Crunch cooked him 3 the hard way 😆 these kids are lost, bron, being all-time leading scorer doesn't make him top 3. Keep cooking these casuals, bro
Curry is above him.
Great cooking🤤🍲🥣🍽🥗🍚🍗🍟🍷🍽🍖🍠🍷🥭🍌🍿🧈🤭😁😄😆😂🤣
Once the 2nd guy said if you swap Steph and Lebron that the Warriors still win… that was the end of the conversation. Dude is straight delusional.
Look at Juwan Howard's face. He knows it's bullshat...lol
❌NEWS FLASH❌
The 16 Warriors have the best regular season record but the 96 Bulls have the best complete season record when you add in the post season.
Bulls
72-10 regular
15-3 post = 87-13
Warriors
73-9 regular
15- 9 post - 88-18
Just saying 🤷♂️
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The dude vouching for Lebron sounds stupid. Just because he got the most points, does NOT mean he's the greatest. If you 0lay long enough, you're gonna pass people up. So there are people who have more points than Jordan (because he hasn't played in over 20 years), that doesn't mean they're better. Lebron has been playing over 20 years and lost in the finals 6 times. Only 4 titles? He is NOT top 2. That's MJ and Kobe. Period.
All facts!!! Lebron is 38 perc from midrange,34 perc from 3 in a 3 ball era and 74 perc from the freetrowline his whole career. Thats average!!! I never saw other greats shoot airball freetrows tho. And gamewise Lebron isn’t in my top 5 !! The man never made a game winning bucket in the finals and every teammates stats were better before joining Lebron,wade, bosh, love , kyrie and even AD!!! They all adjust to his system to make his nrs rise!!!