@@DawidDoesTechStuff Because knowledge about PC tech didn't evolve with the times. Marketers like Linus present themselves as authorities, misleading his audience to the highest bidders instead of the truth.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I think it's because people haven't realized the stagnation experienced over the last decade. It used to be that that old hardware could hardly play anything only a few years after launch. That's where the 20-30 would occur. A PC from a decade ago could still play many modern games. I don't think people have caught up with that change from PCs of past to the PCs of today.
@nDm Gaming laptops are super expensive, even more so than a PC if you want a decent gaming laptop. Also laptop have short life span due to it being heated up in a tiny case is barely any fans or airflow. On top of the fact that Laptops you can only upgrade RAM or Storage. If it breaks its expensive to repair or you can't repair it due to it having proprietary parts that are custom made, especially gaming laptops. As a desktop if anything breaks you can replace the broken part easily. Plus Laptops you are stuck with very few choices in Screen resolution as the monitors can't really be upgraded like a desktop and you are limited by the screen fitment of the laptop too. My biggest gripe is that Laptops you can't game very long on it, its good for short gaming session on the go. Plugging it in just adds extra heat to it while you game longer periods at home with the power brick and cord which also add into shortening lifespan of the laptop. computer hardware killer is heat and Laptops comes with plenty.
Gaming Laptops are just way too expensive. I wouldn't invest it even if I had a lot of money. If i wanna game on the go, I'd buy me a cheaper non gaming laptop with decent specs to play a game on medium settings or something if I want a short 15min - 1hr or so gaming session on the go outside my house.
You know what would be interesting, would be using the same hardware in each machine like using a 2060 desktop vs a laptop 2060, and the same level of cpu ( i know they would be different but still) like a i7 10700 In both. Great video though!
Well that would be too predictable. Laptop variants usually perform about 20% lower than desktop counterparts. Now if they use full size parts, that would be a much better video, cause there are some laptops using desktop cpu or desktop gpu and that would be interesting to see compared to desktop.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I'd be interested! I ounce had a similar spec laptop with a similar spec pc a long time ago. I did notice some differences, but I never actually pitted them up against each other before I sold that PC.
Well... Those are the most important metrics. Locked 45fps (I just can't tolerate 30fps) > than variation between 40-100fps with an average of say 85fps. Also a VRR display helps tremendously so you don't have to cap framerates.
I think its because your eyes are more accustomed to see the difference between 60hz and 144hz, while someone like Anna who games very lightly doesn't see the difference as much. the only reason someone like her would need to upgrade from that laptop to that pc would be 4k gaming or super hardware intensive games that use RT.
Ever since I got my 144hz monitor im suuper sensitive to knowing what frames im getting based on how smooth. I see a huge difference between 60-80, 80-110, 110-144, I know alot of people can't tell these differences but im just really keen on making sure I can see the most frames possible. I understand why she didn't see much of a difference where as I who plays alot of games competitively would. Its mostly on just who you are
YOur eyes adjust to whatever you are looking at majority of the time. In gaming its same too. Once people play it long enough on certain FPS they get use to it and can tell difference if its lowered or not.
It's awesome that you have a wife that appreciates your interests and willing to do that sort of stuff with you. My ex never was up for stuff. This gives me hope that I can find someone who's willing to do silly stuff with me
dawid I love your personality and your videos especially the disease jokes and pop culture refrences and the fact that Anna kinda acts like you is so funny! 0:52 I see you're a man of culture! (good ad for a not bad company pls do it again) also keep up the good work!
Yeah, it sucks. I was one of the lucky few to get an AIB card for RRP, but even then I had to wait 2 months for it after I ordered. I got an MSI Ventus. It may be one of the "worst" 3080s, but I honestly have no complaints. No crashes, runs everything I throw at it at high framerates.
@@ksp1278 Congrats, I have a Ventus 2060, they may be the lower end of the spectrum for card manufacturers, but they're under MSI's umbrella so still a solid choice. The wait is unfortunate, I shudder to think what it was like for those who bought off Newegg, and ended up having to RMA.
If you're going low end I suggest the used market, because you can get higher end parts for lower end costs. I got a 3700x for $100 that way (had a bent pin, was such an easy fix though) and also an RX 5700XT for my nephews rig for $100 as well. Got a MSI 2080ti Gaming X Trio for my own pc 1 week before the 3080 'launch' for just $400... Suffice to say you MAY NOT be able to get these great of prices to be fair, but it is possible if you just look hard enough.
@@TheGauges420 Right now used prices are awful, a lot of patience is necessary to find something at a decent price. I got a RTX 2080 Ti for £500 just before the 3080 launch and now they go for around £750 - £800. Its wierd when (in the UK at least) you can buy a gaming laptop at a slightly better price than building a desktop PC with similar performance. Obviously upgradability is very limited on a laptop though.
@@raijin2950 yeah true. A laptop would be comparable in price right now. I strive to buy used myself, I can never justify spending what these manufacturers deem is the right price... I bought a few of my pieces new for my pc, my mobo, my RGB, my storage drives, my 3700x was used for $100, my 2080ti Gaming X Trio was $400 1 week before 3080 'launch', my 4x8gb 32gb 3600 CL14 Vengeance RGB Pro I only paid $125 for... As long as I can verify something is working when I purchase it. Yeah you do have to be vigilant to get a great deal, but what else would you expect? If you don't stay on top of deals, of course others will grab them lol... Just gotta search.
@@TheGauges420 You got the right idea, buy used high end CPU/GPUs but stay one generation behind. You still get near top tier performance without having to paying the premium for the newest tech. Don't get caught up in the hype or the fear of missing out. I personally enjoy the hunt for the best deals anyway.
@@Slidified i have 144hz and i didn't notice as big of a difference as people say they had... but im quite casual.. and if i went back to 60hz i'd probs notice a difference tbf... (in the games i can actually run at 144+ fps)
What monitors did you use? It's hard to believe that you could potentially confuse 90FPS with 190FPS, at least for me. I had 20/20 in test for a difference between 165Hz and 240Hz. The difference between 90 and 190 is night and day for me There is also chance that you were in demanding place with PC and not demanding with laptop in the last tests 140FPS and 160FPS are quite easy to confuse
Thanks for the lovely content! It was fun to watch how Anna managed to come up with the right guesses most of the time. Now, here's a quick question. what do you think of the 2021 Asus ROG Zephyrus Duo 15.6 SE which is equipped with the AMD Ryzen 9 series (5900HX) and the Nvidia RTX 3080 (16GB dedicated GPU)?
had the same feeling with my own setup actually. I bought several month ago a laptop to replace my old crappy one( 5yrs old, with a i5 4200M and a GT 740, no SSD) I was using at work since it was considerably affecting my productivity (I mean it took 3 hours and a half to install Visual Studio...). And since I was about to spend 700€ for it, I checked the "gaming laptop" market since an ultrabook in that price range could NOT run the things I was running at work. I ended up with an HP Omen with a 9300H and a GTX 1650, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB NVMe + 1TB HDD combo (I added later another 8GB of RAM). It cost me around 720€ on sale (keep in mind this is the price with all taxes included, and in France those are as high as 20%). On the side, I built myself a Gaming PC to replace my old crappy desktop (starting to see a pattern here, isn't it?) that was not cutting it anymore (i5 2500 + GTX 570, in 2019, yikes). Built myself a 2700X / 32GB of 3200MHz RAM / RTX 2070 Super, with a 1080p 165Hz screen and yadda yadda yadda usual stuff about gaming setups right? After working several month with my new laptop I had the feeling it could do a lot more, so I installed games on it. And.. well. I'm playing Overwatch a lot (even got into the esports scene before going into a forced retiring for health reasons), and if you're competitive enough, you usually turn all the settings down to low. Long story short : at 1080p, the little 1650 could still manage to fully use the 165Hz display, and there was not much difference between my gaming Pc and my laptop (except maybe the noise) same things with the other games I play like War Thunder and such. really saw a big diffrence with Cyberpunk though, but in the end running the game on Low allow pretty respectable framerates in that game with the 1650. I think that a lot of people (including me at first) are considering laptops to be "inferior machines"... and they are when we're talking performance compared to a full blown gaming PC. But for everything else... they are just equivalent. The keyword here being "they are sufficient for what most people do". And most of the times, laptops could be considered as technical wonders when we take into account the amount of performance that could come out of a 2L machine that also includes a display, keyboard, trackpad and a easy-on-the-eye outer shell. My only regret with my current laptop is that I didn't pay 50$ more or so to get the 144Hz screen variant (as a disclosure, it was a 2018 laptop sold in mid 2019 when its replacement already came out, and I didn't have the luxury of the exact model : the price was already very good as it was)
at 1080P there isn't much latency and framepacing issue that could occur between laptop and desktop. But when you increase resolution to 1440p and 4K the latency is increase a lot and you need a faster GPU to lower the latency back down to make the experience and smoothness of movement back to how it was at 1080P with low latency and framepacing.
There's also the issue of your eye/brains fps (which is estimated to be between 70-100fps). Along with frame delivery consistency. So, if there are 60 frames delivered in 1000ms, but 45 frames are actually in the first 500ms, and you're blinking during that window, then the other 15ms are delivered in the second 500ms, when you're not blinking, or there's more visual differentiation going on (an explosive flash point, for example), then that also makes a huge difference to your perceived framerate. The takeaway is that, regardless of stats, your body is still unique, and beyond the technology at play, it's more about what you're capable of perceiving and registering than anything else, which, like all things, is often a matter of practice.
Question: was freezync or gsync turned on on the monitor? That might have made all the difference since to my knowledge laptop panels do no have freesync/gsync
Since I bought my 1440p 144hz earlier this year, I always felt crazy that I couldn't notice a huge difference in games between 60hz. This definitely makes me feel better about it though. Thanks Anna 👍
I bought a 32in 144hz curved monitor last October and I honestly couldn't tell a difference either when playing 1080p, but when I switched to 1440p I could kinda see a difference in a few of my for games, but not the rpg games.
I'm not very fps or refresh rate sensitive either. There are some games where you can tell by how fast you move but I don't play many of those. I could see where it could make a difference if you played at a pro level and were competing but for someone like me it is no advantage lol. And too be honest I think 60 fps looks better from a visual standpoint. It just seems smoother most of the time and I hate screen tear. On my racing and flying sims I normally just lock my frame rate to 60 or 30 fps.
I'm new to pc gaming and haven't really played any games for around a decade. But the refresh rate on the monitor or TV screen will kill stop any visual difference above it? For example a 5 yr old mid-low level LG tv likely 60hz is like a 60fps cap in effect?
I didn't see you mention anything about the monitor's refresh rates. Were they higher than 60? Obviously if they were not that would lead to a completely unperceivable difference between the two systems (outside of RT). I assume they were but you should mention that cuz it's kind of important.
Honestly, I bought a secondhand laptop that has a 4800H and a 2060 in it, and on my 1080p 144hz panel, I could barely tell the difference between that and my 5900X/3070 desktop, if I didn't have a frame counter up. It was a lot more noticeable on my 1440p 165hz panel, but frankly, I'm just amazed that the little $600 laptop I bought could even run in 1440p, so I'm happy either way.
So basically, at 1080p buying all the expensive gear is utterly pointless - only when you start cranking stuff up resolution wise and settings wise do you start to really see the power advantage?
Heyy... Your vidoes are seriously the best.. your content style and everything ... It'll be great if you make a blind test between a 2060 and 2080 super maxq or 2070 super max q laptops .. will make many budget gamers happy😀
Hey Dawid, I'm thinking of getting the new xbox because I'm a console gamer. However, after looking into Pc building, I'm wondering if I can get a better performing pc than the new xbox specs for about $600-700. What are your thoughts?
I have no clue what you're talking about most of the time in your vids as I'm a pc noob but I stay for hiit energy and entertainment Loving the content From Wales🏴
From my personal experience, I have also notice that weather you can't or can tell the difference highly depends on how much have you played the particular game. I can tell the difference on FPS on Dota 2, which is my most played competitive game. In other games as long as the framerate is stady with stable frametime, I would take like 45 fps+ and struggle to tell the difference on higher framerates. I have tested this with Forza Horizon 4.
Redo the high refresh rate test with Anna on mouse and keyboard. I've used a controller on a 144hz monitor. The camera moves consistently and slowly. It was hard to distinguish over 60fps and any nearby variations. Switching to mouse and keyboard is like visual heroin at 90hz or higher (assuming frametimes are good).
I'd like to see what the difference would be if the machines were closer in specs. That a machine with a better CPU, newer GPU, and double the memory beat the laptop isn't news. The takeaway to me is that at 1080p, frame rate is less important than at 1440
It would be interesting to see exact same spec PC vs Laptop. Legends has it that parts made for laptop are "weaker" even tho gpu,cpu,ram models are same.
I wish I lived in Canada, I have a rtx 2080 200w Laptop (rog g703gx), and would love to see you do this comparison with a desktop end gaming laptop with this pc!
I can hardly tell the difference between a stable 60fps and a stable 100+ on most displays. I prefer going higher for the rare situations where I can tell.
@@DigitalJedi It's really interesting how everyone notices FPS differently. I can't necessarily see the difference between 240 FPS and 144 FPS, but I can 100 percent FEEL the difference.
Great vid buddy!! Glad to watch something than someone telling about all the graphics cards u can't buy and prices going up...pretty bad I signed up on evgas website...hopefully least be able to buy their flagship..wanted a gigabyte aorus card but sounds like its gonna be over 1000$ I just won't get a card..in happy with a 2060 n 2060super :)
Hope you did not forget to turn the laptop display off in Windows... because otherwise the whole comparison is biased from the optimus iGPU bottleneck (basicallythe laptop's display is connected to the iGPU so it gets the signal through it even when using the RTX 2060 which slows everything down significantly).
@@mryellow6918 2018 Xbox port on 2016 hardware, I'd say that it is quite impressive, of course newer RTX cards are better but for my very light and short gaming sessions I won't need anything better than a 1070(maybe 2060 but that's just absolutely maximum I would ever need)
I'm not surprised that it's hard to tell the difference between 90fps and 180fps. 90fps is close the the threshold of perceptibility. I usually just cap by fps around that level (or lower depending on the game) to keep temperatures low.
This might also be showing some of the difference between someone with more experience gaming and less experience gaming. I can tell the difference between 60 and 160 fps on my current monitor immediately when I plug it into my laptop vs my dedicated PC on the fast-paced games I play. Even when I have a family member pick which is connected without my knowing, I could tell. It wasn't so clear cut when I downloaded a game in my backlog I had never played before and tried to discern which was which, though. I don't know if Anna plays competitive CS:GO, but, if that was her forte, she probably would've been able to feel the difference quite reliably with numbers like those.
I play world of warships a lot and I have what I think is a good set up for it can you run tests and what would make for an idea setup hardware and monitor. I’d be interested in that But I been Bin watching your videos love the comedy along with Info. Great job brother
My main takeaway from tests like this are that people who care about framerates get so caught up worrying about them that they forget to just play and enjoy the game. If a game is good and the performance isn't stuttering, I can't care less what the actual framerate is.
i have an Asus Zephyrus with the 10750H and the RTX 2060 Super ... it has a control suite that will crank the CPU and GPU up ... i consistently get 150 fps out of games like American Truck and Mechwarrior Online
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"made some friendships"
Shows his wife.
Classic Dawid
We weren't friends before this video. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff at least you are now
@@famousfighter2310 They are a couple ? I thought they are siblings......
@@evergreatest7644 sweet home alabama
@@soav6132 🪕
Dawid discovered a concept everyone outside of gaming knows: Diminishing returns. 30 FPS will be more noticeable over 20FPS than 150FPS over 100FPS.
It scales geometrically centred at 24 I think
@@bruhmoment1835 No. It "scales" from 60hz. There is no 24 fps media or anything being shown here.
That is an interesting point. Why do people not talk more about diminishing returns when it comes to PC gaming? 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Because knowledge about PC tech didn't evolve with the times. Marketers like Linus present themselves as authorities, misleading his audience to the highest bidders instead of the truth.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I think it's because people haven't realized the stagnation experienced over the last decade. It used to be that that old hardware could hardly play anything only a few years after launch. That's where the 20-30 would occur. A PC from a decade ago could still play many modern games. I don't think people have caught up with that change from PCs of past to the PCs of today.
You may not notice the difference between the pc and the laptop, but your wallet definitely will
I think that's a more important observation than people might expect.
@nDm Gaming laptops are super expensive, even more so than a PC if you want a decent gaming laptop. Also laptop have short life span due to it being heated up in a tiny case is barely any fans or airflow. On top of the fact that Laptops you can only upgrade RAM or Storage. If it breaks its expensive to repair or you can't repair it due to it having proprietary parts that are custom made, especially gaming laptops. As a desktop if anything breaks you can replace the broken part easily.
Plus Laptops you are stuck with very few choices in Screen resolution as the monitors can't really be upgraded like a desktop and you are limited by the screen fitment of the laptop too. My biggest gripe is that Laptops you can't game very long on it, its good for short gaming session on the go. Plugging it in just adds extra heat to it while you game longer periods at home with the power brick and cord which also add into shortening lifespan of the laptop. computer hardware killer is heat and Laptops comes with plenty.
Gaming Laptops are just way too expensive. I wouldn't invest it even if I had a lot of money. If i wanna game on the go, I'd buy me a cheaper non gaming laptop with decent specs to play a game on medium settings or something if I want a short 15min - 1hr or so gaming session on the go outside my house.
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Don't mind me,just putting a reload button
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@@DawidDoesTechStuff that cat is majestic, i love it
You know what would be interesting, would be using the same hardware in each machine like using a 2060 desktop vs a laptop 2060, and the same level of cpu ( i know they would be different but still) like a i7 10700 In both. Great video though!
Well that would be too predictable. Laptop variants usually perform about 20% lower than desktop counterparts. Now if they use full size parts, that would be a much better video, cause there are some laptops using desktop cpu or desktop gpu and that would be interesting to see compared to desktop.
@@TheGauges420 desktops will always be superior to laptops
That's interesting, I'll see if I can get the stuff I need for it and what kind of interest there is. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I'd be interested! I ounce had a similar spec laptop with a similar spec pc a long time ago. I did notice some differences, but I never actually pitted them up against each other before I sold that PC.
@@Djanbari just say your a virgin and leave
Him and his wife are so happy together, and you can tell shes very supportive of his tech hobby and potentional youtube career
This actually might be the first sponsor i actually might consider LMAO
Name of the anime in your pfp? (if it is anime)
@@dzoukajh7722 to rent a girlfriend(I think)
@@offdazaza2769 oh yeah xd thanks
@@dzoukajh7722 lmao since when was UA-cam an anime sharing site? 🤣🤣 the only anime I watch is anime role playing 😉
I used to use them before they registered in Europe and I had to start paying VAT. They're great.
My laptop is jumping up and down seeing these results,
Hope it does not break itself
Hahaha!! I'm glad it made it feel better. 😁
If you dont like the red accents on the gpu, i heard that evga is sending black parts if you contact them because many people complained about it
Shit actually because I have that same card
@@reax4634 so u gonna change it?
@@eisregenhaha maybe it sounds like alot of work but what do they even send to change it
What matters most to me are the 1 and 0.1 % dips. Those are far more noticeable to me, especially in lower frame rate scenarios.
Well... Those are the most important metrics. Locked 45fps (I just can't tolerate 30fps) > than variation between 40-100fps with an average of say 85fps. Also a VRR display helps tremendously so you don't have to cap framerates.
I think its because your eyes are more accustomed to see the difference between 60hz and 144hz, while someone like Anna who games very lightly doesn't see the difference as much. the only reason someone like her would need to upgrade from that laptop to that pc would be 4k gaming or super hardware intensive games that use RT.
I’m really enjoying these blind tests! Thanks, keep it up
Great video. I was surprised at Anna's 1440p results. I wish I could fail that test like that.
I know right! Ignorance is bliss in the situation. 😁
Ever since I got my 144hz monitor im suuper sensitive to knowing what frames im getting based on how smooth. I see a huge difference between 60-80, 80-110, 110-144, I know alot of people can't tell these differences but im just really keen on making sure I can see the most frames possible. I understand why she didn't see much of a difference where as I who plays alot of games competitively would. Its mostly on just who you are
YOur eyes adjust to whatever you are looking at majority of the time. In gaming its same too. Once people play it long enough on certain FPS they get use to it and can tell difference if its lowered or not.
We need a David & Anna does tech stuff channel
It's awesome that you have a wife that appreciates your interests and willing to do that sort of stuff with you. My ex never was up for stuff. This gives me hope that I can find someone who's willing to do silly stuff with me
dawid I love your personality and your videos especially the disease jokes and pop culture refrences and the fact that Anna kinda acts like you is so funny!
0:52 I see you're a man of culture!
(good ad for a not bad company pls do it again)
also keep up the good work!
Title used to be 'High-End Gaming PC vs Gaming Laptop Blind Test'
Sometimes I have wet dreams about actually being able to find a 3080 to buy at MSRP.
Since they are jacking prices up immediately, if they ever become available, you'll be having a lot more wet dreams.
Yeah, it sucks. I was one of the lucky few to get an AIB card for RRP, but even then I had to wait 2 months for it after I ordered. I got an MSI Ventus. It may be one of the "worst" 3080s, but I honestly have no complaints. No crashes, runs everything I throw at it at high framerates.
@@husk1061 Better buy more sheets
@@ksp1278 Congrats, I have a Ventus 2060, they may be the lower end of the spectrum for card manufacturers, but they're under MSI's umbrella so still a solid choice. The wait is unfortunate, I shudder to think what it was like for those who bought off Newegg, and ended up having to RMA.
Have you seen a doctor yet?
Hey there David you owe me a rt thidy thidy super ti
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@@michaelfonze8774 yez
yes he owe me two i sponsor his paypal phone number
Lets get this man to thidy likes 👍
Once I get my shipment in the mail, I'll send it over to you. 😂
When Dawid says "yoooo" I get the impression he might actually be Austin Evans' non-union counterpart
HAHAHA
Building my first low end gaming rig so I found this really interesting and helpful
If you're going low end I suggest the used market, because you can get higher end parts for lower end costs. I got a 3700x for $100 that way (had a bent pin, was such an easy fix though) and also an RX 5700XT for my nephews rig for $100 as well. Got a MSI 2080ti Gaming X Trio for my own pc 1 week before the 3080 'launch' for just $400... Suffice to say you MAY NOT be able to get these great of prices to be fair, but it is possible if you just look hard enough.
I'm glad it's helped. 👍
@@TheGauges420 Right now used prices are awful, a lot of patience is necessary to find something at a decent price. I got a RTX 2080 Ti for £500 just before the 3080 launch and now they go for around £750 - £800. Its wierd when (in the UK at least) you can buy a gaming laptop at a slightly better price than building a desktop PC with similar performance. Obviously upgradability is very limited on a laptop though.
@@raijin2950 yeah true. A laptop would be comparable in price right now. I strive to buy used myself, I can never justify spending what these manufacturers deem is the right price... I bought a few of my pieces new for my pc, my mobo, my RGB, my storage drives, my 3700x was used for $100, my 2080ti Gaming X Trio was $400 1 week before 3080 'launch', my 4x8gb 32gb 3600 CL14 Vengeance RGB Pro I only paid $125 for... As long as I can verify something is working when I purchase it. Yeah you do have to be vigilant to get a great deal, but what else would you expect? If you don't stay on top of deals, of course others will grab them lol... Just gotta search.
@@TheGauges420 You got the right idea, buy used high end CPU/GPUs but stay one generation behind. You still get near top tier performance without having to paying the premium for the newest tech. Don't get caught up in the hype or the fear of missing out. I personally enjoy the hunt for the best deals anyway.
You should feature Anna in more of your vids- she’s adorable and the non-supernerd perspective is really interesting to see
Just shows that 60fps is completly fine.... Unless u are a seriously competitive player. with great reaction times
Honestly Id take anything over 90 for most games and 144 for competitive
@@kylehagertybanana facts
Going above 60 FPS is always a nicer experience in person although anything is better than console which is around 20-30 fps typically
@@Slidified i have 144hz and i didn't notice as big of a difference as people say they had... but im quite casual.. and if i went back to 60hz i'd probs notice a difference tbf... (in the games i can actually run at 144+ fps)
This concept is dope, you should do it with a budget card and a higher end but with same settings
Loving the helpers. Anna and the cat. You are ok as well Dawid. Keep up the fun content!
Very cool! I love your blind test vids!!
Oh, and Anna is lovely, such a good sport as always :)
Happy New year! Thanks for the vids!
Great video as always. You have uploaded all of your videos 4k. You don't have to but you do and I like it.
0:09 I thought the processor was smoking.
I'm so excited for today's video
5:36 Test 5 and Test 7 got kidnapped:(
Interesting results, nice video. Keep it up!
What monitors did you use? It's hard to believe that you could potentially confuse 90FPS with 190FPS, at least for me.
I had 20/20 in test for a difference between 165Hz and 240Hz. The difference between 90 and 190 is night and day for me
There is also chance that you were in demanding place with PC and not demanding with laptop in the last tests 140FPS and 160FPS are quite easy to confuse
I won't lie I watched the shaky miaow with the cat about a thousand times. Whilst pissing myself with laughter.
I saw exactly this comment about a thousand times before
@@Alexandru1996_ It's powerful stuff that LSD.
3:50 "I'm no a BF pro" Anna
Been in 15 videos playing BF, not cheating. Gets a kill each time. Ur a pro.
Sounds like the fan controller on your cat is failing.
That dude was hella serious about customer support.
Very interesting video I really enjoyed it, most of your content for that matter I’ve ditched Netflix and binged watched your videos. Great job! lol
Thanks for the lovely content! It was fun to watch how Anna managed to come up with the right guesses most of the time. Now, here's a quick question. what do you think of the 2021 Asus ROG Zephyrus Duo 15.6 SE which is equipped with the AMD Ryzen 9 series (5900HX) and the Nvidia RTX 3080 (16GB dedicated GPU)?
this channel is worth it for Dawid's accent alone
Anna's back!! Sup Dawid. Excited to watch this.
had the same feeling with my own setup actually.
I bought several month ago a laptop to replace my old crappy one( 5yrs old, with a i5 4200M and a GT 740, no SSD) I was using at work since it was considerably affecting my productivity (I mean it took 3 hours and a half to install Visual Studio...).
And since I was about to spend 700€ for it, I checked the "gaming laptop" market since an ultrabook in that price range could NOT run the things I was running at work.
I ended up with an HP Omen with a 9300H and a GTX 1650, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB NVMe + 1TB HDD combo (I added later another 8GB of RAM). It cost me around 720€ on sale (keep in mind this is the price with all taxes included, and in France those are as high as 20%).
On the side, I built myself a Gaming PC to replace my old crappy desktop (starting to see a pattern here, isn't it?) that was not cutting it anymore (i5 2500 + GTX 570, in 2019, yikes).
Built myself a 2700X / 32GB of 3200MHz RAM / RTX 2070 Super, with a 1080p 165Hz screen and yadda yadda yadda usual stuff about gaming setups right?
After working several month with my new laptop I had the feeling it could do a lot more, so I installed games on it. And.. well.
I'm playing Overwatch a lot (even got into the esports scene before going into a forced retiring for health reasons), and if you're competitive enough, you usually turn all the settings down to low. Long story short : at 1080p, the little 1650 could still manage to fully use the 165Hz display, and there was not much difference between my gaming Pc and my laptop (except maybe the noise)
same things with the other games I play like War Thunder and such. really saw a big diffrence with Cyberpunk though, but in the end running the game on Low allow pretty respectable framerates in that game with the 1650.
I think that a lot of people (including me at first) are considering laptops to be "inferior machines"... and they are when we're talking performance compared to a full blown gaming PC. But for everything else... they are just equivalent. The keyword here being "they are sufficient for what most people do". And most of the times, laptops could be considered as technical wonders when we take into account the amount of performance that could come out of a 2L machine that also includes a display, keyboard, trackpad and a easy-on-the-eye outer shell.
My only regret with my current laptop is that I didn't pay 50$ more or so to get the 144Hz screen variant (as a disclosure, it was a 2018 laptop sold in mid 2019 when its replacement already came out, and I didn't have the luxury of the exact model : the price was already very good as it was)
at 1080P there isn't much latency and framepacing issue that could occur between laptop and desktop. But when you increase resolution to 1440p and 4K the latency is increase a lot and you need a faster GPU to lower the latency back down to make the experience and smoothness of movement back to how it was at 1080P with low latency and framepacing.
Hey Dawid nice video lmao but in the 8 switch test you went from 6 to 8 haha good video keep up the good work man
There's also the issue of your eye/brains fps (which is estimated to be between 70-100fps).
Along with frame delivery consistency. So, if there are 60 frames delivered in 1000ms, but 45 frames are actually in the first 500ms, and you're blinking during that window, then the other 15ms are delivered in the second 500ms, when you're not blinking, or there's more visual differentiation going on (an explosive flash point, for example), then that also makes a huge difference to your perceived framerate.
The takeaway is that, regardless of stats, your body is still unique, and beyond the technology at play, it's more about what you're capable of perceiving and registering than anything else, which, like all things, is often a matter of practice.
Having the headphones on the monitor while playing is so triggering for me.
Question: was freezync or gsync turned on on the monitor? That might have made all the difference since to my knowledge laptop panels do no have freesync/gsync
Might be fun to hop into vr where you can always have more pc power, no matter what your computer is
Since I bought my 1440p 144hz earlier this year, I always felt crazy that I couldn't notice a huge difference in games between 60hz. This definitely makes me feel better about it though. Thanks Anna 👍
I bought a 32in 144hz curved monitor last October and I honestly couldn't tell a difference either when playing 1080p, but when I switched to 1440p I could kinda see a difference in a few of my for games, but not the rpg games.
@@Joreel yeah it could just be the genres I play, but I really can't tell a difference except on my desktop oddly enough
I'm not very fps or refresh rate sensitive either. There are some games where you can tell by how fast you move but I don't play many of those. I could see where it could make a difference if you played at a pro level and were competing but for someone like me it is no advantage lol. And too be honest I think 60 fps looks better from a visual standpoint. It just seems smoother most of the time and I hate screen tear. On my racing and flying sims I normally just lock my frame rate to 60 or 30 fps.
I'm new to pc gaming and haven't really played any games for around a decade. But the refresh rate on the monitor or TV screen will kill stop any visual difference above it? For example a 5 yr old mid-low level LG tv likely 60hz is like a 60fps cap in effect?
Dawid do u remember the refresrate of the 1440p and the 1080p I think this is important
I don't understand the point. Is it VRR'd? If so, why framerate isn't capped at screen max refresh rate?
Important thing i learned from this is that stable frame times is more important than moar frames per second.
I didn't see you mention anything about the monitor's refresh rates. Were they higher than 60? Obviously if they were not that would lead to a completely unperceivable difference between the two systems (outside of RT). I assume they were but you should mention that cuz it's kind of important.
hey can you buy one of those “mini pcs” on newegg? they look like a scam and i want you to try one of them out
Honestly, I bought a secondhand laptop that has a 4800H and a 2060 in it, and on my 1080p 144hz panel, I could barely tell the difference between that and my 5900X/3070 desktop, if I didn't have a frame counter up. It was a lot more noticeable on my 1440p 165hz panel, but frankly, I'm just amazed that the little $600 laptop I bought could even run in 1440p, so I'm happy either way.
So basically, at 1080p buying all the expensive gear is utterly pointless - only when you start cranking stuff up resolution wise and settings wise do you start to really see the power advantage?
Heyy... Your vidoes are seriously the best.. your content style and everything ...
It'll be great if you make a blind test between a 2060 and 2080 super maxq or 2070 super max q laptops .. will make many budget gamers happy😀
I think a lot of the difference was that the average and 1% lows for the laptop were a lot closer than those for the PC.
Hey Dawid, I'm thinking of getting the new xbox because I'm a console gamer. However, after looking into Pc building, I'm wondering if I can get a better performing pc than the new xbox specs for about $600-700. What are your thoughts?
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I love the chemistry between you and Anna it’s so cute , definitely soul mates !
I have no clue what you're talking about most of the time in your vids as I'm a pc noob but I stay for hiit energy and entertainment
Loving the content
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From my personal experience, I have also notice that weather you can't or can tell the difference highly depends on how much have you played the particular game. I can tell the difference on FPS on Dota 2, which is my most played competitive game. In other games as long as the framerate is stady with stable frametime, I would take like 45 fps+ and struggle to tell the difference on higher framerates. I have tested this with Forza Horizon 4.
Perhaps you could add more blind test subjects... Like people who use glasses vs people who don't, etc
would you help me figure out how to get more out of my graphics card i’m new to pc and wanna learn
Interesting to see how close the experience is
Loved this content, I have that exact same laptop too
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Oh cool! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Welcome to the channel. 😁
Great vid Dawid and Anna
Redo the high refresh rate test with Anna on mouse and keyboard.
I've used a controller on a 144hz monitor. The camera moves consistently and slowly. It was hard to distinguish over 60fps and any nearby variations.
Switching to mouse and keyboard is like visual heroin at 90hz or higher (assuming frametimes are good).
I think it was mouse and keyboard? And yes, a controller makes 30fps actually tolerable due to how slowly and consistently the camera moves around.
What framerate was the monitor running at? 240, 144, or 60?
What is the refresh rate in the monitor in this bling test video?
I know the difference, one has the heat of the sun, and one has the heat of a flamethrower.
you should know which is which.
I'd like to see what the difference would be if the machines were closer in specs. That a machine with a better CPU, newer GPU, and double the memory beat the laptop isn't news. The takeaway to me is that at 1080p, frame rate is less important than at 1440
Dawid is my favourite tech reviewer in 2021
It would be interesting to see exact same spec PC vs Laptop. Legends has it that parts made for laptop are "weaker" even tho gpu,cpu,ram models are same.
I love it how in the intro he is using an i7 on a motherboard with no vrm cooling
Do you have any plans with the Asus Strix pre built in the future?
does anyone know a great tech channel to recommend?
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I wish I lived in Canada, I have a rtx 2080 200w Laptop (rog g703gx), and would love to see you do this comparison with a desktop end gaming laptop with this pc!
I feel like if the game hits 60 fps stable, the difference is very small
It depends on the monitor but for me, anything above a 100 and I basically can't tell at all.
I can hardly tell the difference between a stable 60fps and a stable 100+ on most displays. I prefer going higher for the rare situations where I can tell.
@@DigitalJedi It's really interesting how everyone notices FPS differently. I can't necessarily see the difference between 240 FPS and 144 FPS, but I can 100 percent FEEL the difference.
@@keenansewell7724 This. While I couldn't tell you what framerate it's running at, something will definitely feel off if it's not above 80ish.
My cutoff for noticing is about 45 Hz stable
Great vid buddy!! Glad to watch something than someone telling about all the graphics cards u can't buy and prices going up...pretty bad I signed up on evgas website...hopefully least be able to buy their flagship..wanted a gigabyte aorus card but sounds like its gonna be over 1000$ I just won't get a card..in happy with a 2060 n 2060super :)
was it a 60 or 144Hz screen, or something in between?
Hope you did not forget to turn the laptop display off in Windows... because otherwise the whole comparison is biased from the optimus iGPU bottleneck (basicallythe laptop's display is connected to the iGPU so it gets the signal through it even when using the RTX 2060 which slows everything down significantly).
I'm still using a 1070 Strix and it handles even newer titles like Forza Horizon 4 at ultra 144fps
Not really a newer title but OK and it's incredibly light game.
@@mryellow6918 2018 Xbox port on 2016 hardware, I'd say that it is quite impressive, of course newer RTX cards are better but for my very light and short gaming sessions I won't need anything better than a 1070(maybe 2060 but that's just absolutely maximum I would ever need)
I'm not surprised that it's hard to tell the difference between 90fps and 180fps. 90fps is close the the threshold of perceptibility. I usually just cap by fps around that level (or lower depending on the game) to keep temperatures low.
This might also be showing some of the difference between someone with more experience gaming and less experience gaming. I can tell the difference between 60 and 160 fps on my current monitor immediately when I plug it into my laptop vs my dedicated PC on the fast-paced games I play. Even when I have a family member pick which is connected without my knowing, I could tell. It wasn't so clear cut when I downloaded a game in my backlog I had never played before and tried to discern which was which, though. I don't know if Anna plays competitive CS:GO, but, if that was her forte, she probably would've been able to feel the difference quite reliably with numbers like those.
Hey, you have the Lan Cool 215x to! I love mine.
I play world of warships a lot and I have what I think is a good set up for it can you run tests and what would make for an idea setup hardware and monitor. I’d be interested in that But I been Bin watching your videos love the comedy along with Info. Great job brother
Actually was very interesting test .but i wish in the future 4k test with high refresh rate monitor would happen.
0:50 yes
I think it should be obvious if you push the resolution to 4k
SO... with ultra, 1400p and rtx on... performances difference are huge :|
But was DLSS Balanced enabled?
When will we get a dawid guitar video? they are always in the background
One of these times the background music will be Dawid on the guitar.
Dawid does Guitar Stuff companion channel!
I love it when dawid does tech stuff
My main takeaway from tests like this are that people who care about framerates get so caught up worrying about them that they forget to just play and enjoy the game. If a game is good and the performance isn't stuttering, I can't care less what the actual framerate is.
The way you say linux gives me chills.
In my opinion, the RES is more imp to the FPS
i have an Asus Zephyrus with the 10750H and the RTX 2060 Super ... it has a control suite that will crank the CPU and GPU up ... i consistently get 150 fps out of games like American Truck and Mechwarrior Online