Tesla, GM, and Other Automakers Are All Reluctant To Say No To Deep Sea Mining - But What Is It?

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024

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  • @milohobo9186
    @milohobo9186 3 місяці тому +17

    I want public transportation and high speed rails in the US. It can help solve so many issues: ecological, economical, equitable access, and more.

    • @davidmccarthy6061
      @davidmccarthy6061 3 місяці тому +2

      Unfortunately trains can't happen any longer in the U.S. There are just a handful of rail corridors left and regulations prioritize freight. They also would need a complete overhaul for high speed passenger service, or make new lines that will require property owners to give up their land for the decades long development. It is only economically viable in maybe a half dozen short runs. Anything else would make the per ticket price far more than air or driving.

    • @kaijen2688
      @kaijen2688 3 місяці тому

      @@davidmccarthy6061 You do know that China has almost 20k miles of high-speed rail. You don't find short haul aircraft as the train at 300mph loads and unloads faster than any airplane.

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life 3 місяці тому +4

    2:40 "It threatens to destroy something so essential to our planets that it could cause Untold harm to our very existence, our oceans". Nikki, how does all this proposed DSM environmental impact compare to the hundreds y/o practice of bottom trawling with deep sea (>1000m), industrial bottom trawling being available since the early-mid 1900's with an annual sea floor scraping of 5 million square km of the most eco-sensitive and productive areas of the world? I would like to know. Is it worse? I am appalled by these fishing practices and I feel the majority of consumers do not understand what environmentally destructive these fishing methods are. Are these minerals in an even MORE eco-sensitive area? This would be terrible if true. It is probably not good in any case. COULD it be engineered to do actual "least harm"? sure. A lot more expensive. If there is a "first principle" ecological hurdle that can't be solved though, (primary food chain issues) that should be a show stopper. IMO

  • @stevey_z
    @stevey_z 3 місяці тому +3

    I think the only way dsm could be done with a low impact is to retrieve either with a diver or drone the nodules of ore by hand as it were and not disturb the sea floor. with enough autonomous drones it would be more financially feasible. More would be churned up and exposed over time.

  • @karlInSanDiego
    @karlInSanDiego 3 місяці тому +2

    Most e-bikes have used batteries around 500 Wh, until even the bike industry began to bloat batteries there too. In that case 1 Lightning 131 Wh battery would use the same battery resources as 262 e-bikes. Most Bosch powered e-bikes use 400 and 500 Wh batteries for example, though they do have some systems that allow you to double that. Hummer EV = 424 e-bike, aka enough for a e-bike for every child in a Colorado elementary school to ride on for the whole time they attend, either by a parent shuttling them in a cargo bike, or riding on their own. We're definitely doing the planet dirty with EV SUVs and Pickups and all of the cars we've bloated way beyond need for insane range.
    It's my understanding that electric trams and trolley buses with catenary power (overhead wires) don't rely on ANY lithium ion batteries at all. They've built them without for generations, so it's fair to say that even if some wiseguy company is choosing to make them hybrid with battery and catenary, it's neither the norm nor the right move. I encountered this recently in a discussion with tunnel engineers discussing the LOSSAN Del Mar reconfiguration. That line is currently NOT electrified at all, and when I asked the contractors tasked with designing the tunnel if they'd designed in room for the catenary wires (they're already squeezed with double decker rail cars and tall freight from military and other special needs), they told me, the presumed future electric trains would be battery powered or at least hybrid with the ability to power through no-wire zones using batteries. That they had no clarity on the matter is alarming.

  • @ChristopherFerguson
    @ChristopherFerguson 3 місяці тому +1

    My family's general needs (and current infrastructure accessibility) means we'd get along comfortably with a crossover SUV (EV) that has about 300 miles of range and fast charging. That would handle any trip we'd want to take to our family, as well as daily driving needs.
    The key? We only need one vehicle. Most US families like 2...but since work from home is viable for my partner and I, we only need one car!

  • @nano5513
    @nano5513 3 місяці тому +3

    Thanks!

    • @rp9674
      @rp9674 3 місяці тому

      Nice

  • @pamelab1400
    @pamelab1400 3 місяці тому +3

    FYI I almost missed this video but after scrolling a list a few times, the tiny little TE icon finally jumped out at me. Just saying. I think I like the ones with one of your pictures in it better. Thanks.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  3 місяці тому +3

      Given the hate and the “ooh what’s that freak” comments that get nuked, your comment is welcome!

  • @kaijen2688
    @kaijen2688 3 місяці тому +2

    You need to put the name in the title as BYD sells DSM 5.1.

  • @John.0z
    @John.0z 3 місяці тому +6

    John Oliver provided a very good explanation of this mining. Those who are pinning their future on using this mining need to take the problems of deep sea mining very seriously indeed. It is no longer acceptable for them to assume that it is out of our sight, so it does not matter if they wreck yet another part of this world.

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 3 місяці тому

      "The uploader has not made this video available in your country"
      (Not sure why: typically get access to Last Week Tonight episodes)

    • @John.0z
      @John.0z 3 місяці тому +1

      @@jamesphillips2285 Sorry about that.
      The general drift is that the mining will use huge "rakes" to scoop up the nodules - and near enough to everything else, which will destroy everything living on the bottom in the process. Just the disturbed silt being brought into the water column after centuries accumulating on the bottom, will upset the ocean's ecology.
      Of course those promoting the mining use words that suggest they will be plucking the nodules delicately off the sea floor, like ripe peaches off trees.
      Marketing at it's most deceptive.

    • @jmanakajosh9354
      @jmanakajosh9354 3 місяці тому

      ​@@John.0z
      The current process involves China polluting their own ground water and poisoning people. The ocean is the majority of the earth's surface, I don't see these as credible concerns.

  • @scottmcshannon6821
    @scottmcshannon6821 3 місяці тому +2

    did they also ask big oil to stop deep sea oil drilling? if not why not? if yes how did that go?

  • @mikewallace8087
    @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому

    The True Cost of Lithium Mining / True Cost / Insider News. On the flats of the Andes is one half of world' lithium supply. The ecological price is horrifying . We must sacrifice a lot of the ecosystem for the betterment of humanity .

  • @patrickmckowen2999
    @patrickmckowen2999 3 місяці тому +1

    👍

  • @jmanakajosh9354
    @jmanakajosh9354 3 місяці тому

    So when we pollute groundwater that's okay, but suddenly the 70% of the ocean's surface we can't live on is more important? Wtf😂

  • @l0gic23
    @l0gic23 3 місяці тому

    Can we dive into the data about the vote? What type of voter vofed no... What type voted yes? What was the ratio for and against... Etc...
    How about interviewing (panel) of those who sponsored the proposal?

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  3 місяці тому

      To do that, we would have unfairly painted this as just a Tesla problem. it’s not - Nikki

    • @l0gic23
      @l0gic23 3 місяці тому

      @@transportevolved I mean a future video.... As a case study.... I'm a Tesla Shareholder and I want to know these details... I'm also a human and want to know these details....
      How do we ever get anywhere with this problem if we can't examine a single use case? Just saying it's a every company problem does not fix the problem.
      We can even loom at other industries if somehow that feels fair... However none of these companies have a expressed standard of fair, so they?
      Take any of the 10 largest public companies... If anyone would dig into how these decisions are actually decided, by shareholders... It would be great...
      The closest I've seen is when Musk supporters called out institutions for voting or planning to vote for Musk to not be compensated >$40 billion... Why don't we know the institutions voting in other ways? Why don't we know what the "normal" or real human-individual shareholders vote and outcomes if brokers and 401k admins didn't vote shres on behalf of people without having asked the people what they want...
      I have investments.... Except the ones that I directly purchased vs being G in a ETF, 401k, etc... I've never been asked what I want... So who is voting my 401k shares? What/how are they voting? Are they accountable to anything in anyway....?
      Thanks for considering the suggestion. I think unwound be a powerful investigation... Most of us don't know these answers, where to start to look, have the resources to dig and then even if we figure it out... Don't have a platform to share... I think you have an opportunity. :)

  • @IbrahimMuhammad_114
    @IbrahimMuhammad_114 2 місяці тому

    41%

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  2 місяці тому

      You appear to be confused. This is not a math channel. Your dog whistles aren’t welcome here. Reported. Go play in a highway.

  • @LuisMailhos
    @LuisMailhos 2 місяці тому

    Is everything new, bad? I am tired of endless warnings of far away imaginary damages while ignoring local and present threats.

  • @jerrywatson1958
    @jerrywatson1958 3 місяці тому +18

    I agree with the others below. A very important topic. But IMO what is left out of the conversation is that DSM will directly effect our food supply. By killing that part of the food chain that supports the fish and other seafood we eat. Starting with the microbe's that feed off the detritus that falls like rain from the surface (dead stuff). Then the bigger things that eat them, on an on until it gets to us humans. One of the things I learned about DSM and those nodules are that it is the primitive microbes that live off of chemical energy in low oxygen environments that excrete these minerals over decades. What we need to do is study how they do it. So we can apply that tech to our waste water problems today. While the natural process takes a lot of time, think of the limited amount of energy that biological processes have to survive. Not a lot, it may be if we "juice" the chemical process or the proteins that make it happen (add more energy), up a bit we can reduce the time needed to create these from our toxic waste.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  3 місяці тому +6

      Good points! We really should have added that! -Nikki

    • @mikewallace8087
      @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому +1

      Are those deep ocean ecosystems isolated / separated from near surface ecosystems ? Do those separate systems intermingle organic residents?
      Would the harm on those deep ocean systems have a negative consequence for those upper systems humans harvest? I don't advocate for the wonton destruction of any ecosystem residence .

    • @jerrywatson1958
      @jerrywatson1958 3 місяці тому

      @@mikewallace8087 Simple answer, No not separate. Yes, yes. Answers to your other questions.

    • @mikewallace8087
      @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому

      @@jerrywatson1958 A.I. Question : Does the ocean thermocline separate the ocean ecosystems ? Answer : The ocean thermocline plays a crucial role in separating the ocean ecosystems.

    • @jerrywatson1958
      @jerrywatson1958 3 місяці тому

      @@mikewallace8087 Garbage in Garbage out! What is the thermocline layer? The separate temperature zones of the ocean currents. That too affects ocean krill production (the movement of heat from the equator to the poles). A critical part of the ocean food chain. It's ALL CONNECTED!

  • @benbrown8258
    @benbrown8258 3 місяці тому +6

    To repeat what that great example of American 'progress' Marion Robert Morrison (John Wayne) said, "Those Indians weren't doing anything productive with the land. That gave us the right to take it from them." That 'nothing' was balancing the carbon cycle, making predictable weather repeatable and far more by not extracting its potential irreplacably.
    Seeing "resources" value as its immediate value for us is short sighted and has led us to killing off much that was predictable and sustainable. The handwriting is on the wall if we can't stop climate suicide. I noticed Elon did not invite or permit Gaia to attend the shareholder meeting. I am glad though a few representatives for the planet did show up anyway.

  • @krakken-
    @krakken- 3 місяці тому +7

    Not all deep sea mining involves dredging the ocean floor. At least one company is building robots to pick up the nodules (ignoring ones that harbor aquatic life). That may be a way to extract resources with minimal disruption.

    • @mikewallace8087
      @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому

      What will be the full cost of using robots to mine the ocean floor ? Will they be akin to Asian rice harvesters ?

    • @rp9674
      @rp9674 3 місяці тому +1

      Sounds good

    • @1voluntaryist
      @1voluntaryist 2 місяці тому

      If I walk the beach picking up interesting shells, am I employing harmful mining? No. If I program robots to pick up sea bottom nodules instead of moving million of tons of earth, am I being "responsible" and cost effective, a win-win? I think so. But govt. is not reason, it is brute force, law, and always fucks things up.

  • @KaceyGreen
    @KaceyGreen 3 місяці тому +8

    if it was manual plucking with a human or robotic arm I wouldn't be concerned with this, but dredging is a substantially different process, from the first impact of sucking/stirring everything up, to the silt return at the surface or a mid depth

    • @jmanakajosh9354
      @jmanakajosh9354 3 місяці тому +1

      Okay but would the people complaigning care if it was "plucking" or are they just happy to protest?

    • @KaceyGreen
      @KaceyGreen 3 місяці тому

      @@jmanakajosh9354 probably, but not as many, I wouldn't mind if they'd kept that up, but I feel a bit hoodwinked that they went from all the puff pieces showing that and silently switched to dredging and dumping the silt.

  • @AnonymousFreakYT
    @AnonymousFreakYT 3 місяці тому +6

    Yes, I own one of those massive large battery EVs.
    I also own an Arcimoto FUV, one of the most efficient BEVs available today (and the most efficient highway-capable vehicle that doesn’t require a motorcycle endorsement.) And I use it whenever possible.
    Our third EV is a Mach-E. And I wish a smaller-battery, lighter EV had been readily available and affordable when we bought it! (We really wanted a 2019+ used BMW i3, but at the time the used car market was so ridiculous that the brand new Mach-E was _cheaper!_)

  • @karlInSanDiego
    @karlInSanDiego 3 місяці тому +4

    Great topic! I usually skip listening to the Tesla shareholders meeting, but I did hear this last one and it was interesting to hear voices asking Tesla to do the right thing and hear the board over an over again saying they have determined to give the idea the middle finger.

  • @esprit1st75
    @esprit1st75 3 місяці тому +4

    Thanks for another great video, with great research.

  • @guylr7390
    @guylr7390 3 місяці тому +5

    Thanks Nikki, you are right on point today. I’ve been waiting for car reviewers to stop lauding the enormous, over powered, overpriced and flat out wasteful vehicles of all types. Sensibly sized and powered EVs can make a difference in the world but only if they reach mass adoption. That won’t happen if auto makers think we will only buy supersized over performing vehicles that frankly shouldn’t be in the hands of the average driver. If we must have them then tax them and require licensing for the privilege to operate them.

  • @leax_Flame
    @leax_Flame 3 місяці тому +2

    Personally, I don’t see your use case of the F150 being hypocritical as you actually use it for what it meant for. As you said, you use a more practical vehicle for lighter tasks. So don’t feel bad about that.

  • @elmojito
    @elmojito 3 місяці тому +2

    Totally agree. Unfortunately we can see today the problems created by unregulated fishing many countries have historically done which have forced them unto other countries fisheries. They have exhausted theirs many time by trawling the bottom which afterward looks like arid without any life in it. After they kill one zone they travel to the next. A good example today is Somalia where the locals have turned into piracy as their fishing stocks were depleted by other countries commercial fleets.

    • @jmanakajosh9354
      @jmanakajosh9354 3 місяці тому

      "Many countries" oh c'mon.
      Let's name the evildoers.
      China, India, Vietnam.
      I barely follow this stuff even I know there's only so many countries openly r*ping the enviroment

  • @leanid2380
    @leanid2380 3 місяці тому +1

    24:00 The Mighty Algorithm has apparently determined that it doesn't need to show your intended links at all. Don't know if that's a bug or a recently rolled-out "feature" of the platform, thought you'd like to know.

  • @douggoodman3914
    @douggoodman3914 3 місяці тому +1

    Unfortunately, cars and pickup trucks are a cultural icon that most love and many see as a symbol of personality, success and power. We need a new social norm in the use of less destructive means of transport such as public transit, ebikes and other micromobility options. For cases where a car is needed, demand for battery minerals can be greatly reduced by making better use of batteries and using smaller batteries. Car sharing requires fewer cars with fewer batteries, and allows a driver to choose a car with a small battery for most trips and use a car with a larger battery for longer trips. There would be no more need to pay a large cost to have large vehicle with a large battery that sits idle most of the time. More and faster and less expensive charging options would allow cars to have smaller batteries. A five or ten minute stop every 100 or 200 km seems like a convenient thing to me.

  • @brianpletcher8055
    @brianpletcher8055 3 місяці тому +1

    Nikki- when you say the mighty algorithm thinks you might like this one or this one - nothing appears.

  • @MrFester
    @MrFester 3 місяці тому +1

    Sodium-ion Batteries will save us! :D

  • @mikewallace8087
    @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому +1

    Hello all !

  • @magnus966
    @magnus966 3 місяці тому +1

    I have mixed feelings about smaller batteries. Small batteries will have more cycles during regular use causing faster degradation. Major reason why I am anti hybrid and PHEV is their smaller batteries can cycle multiple times a day and quickly become an ICE vehicle. Small battery Hybrids have given EVs a bad rap already. But I understand the point you are trying to make if batteries were cheaper and easier to replace.

    • @AlanTov
      @AlanTov 3 місяці тому

      If you mainly charge AC at home, recycling at those rates is pretty irrelevant to battery longevity.

  • @benjaminford9932
    @benjaminford9932 3 місяці тому +5

    Such an important topic Nikki. Thank you for covering it so well (as you so often do). I often watch the EVNautilus videos on UA-cam, the beauty and weirdness of deep sea creatures is truly a marvel. To think that so much of that could be destroyed through ignorance and corporate greed greatly saddens me. I hope we are able to stop it but history suggests we won't. Eventually humans will learn you can't eat money.

  • @loganrossignol
    @loganrossignol 2 місяці тому

    There's no way around making long range EV's, nor large long range EV's. Automakers have to build cars that people will buy. It's not the automakers determining what we want, it's the other way around - people just feel that way when automakers don't make the car that they and their niche want. The actual number of people that will buy a small, low range EV are extremely small, and this is obvious looking at sales figures.
    Outside of the US, smaller, lower range EV's sell much better than in the US, but markets are gonna do what markets are gonna do. I desperately want wagons (estates) but Americans don't buy them, so there's extremely few options available to me. I love sedans, but they're a dying breed, just don't sell well enough for some automakers to bother, so die they will continue to do.
    It would be *nice* if automakers could afford to offer niche options to people who want them, but at the end of the day, they have a business to run, bills to pay, people to pay, shareholders to make happy.
    Same story with public transit. If people wanted it bad enough, they would vote for advocates, but we have big fish to fry and the American public just isn't stirred by better public transit, regardless of the benefits. If people don't want to do it, that's kind of the end of the discussion.

  • @donaldtank
    @donaldtank 3 місяці тому

    There is a oil that we use to use for for a motor but now we use with our food so you going to ignore it is a problem because it don't aline with your beliefs

  • @andrewrobinson9497
    @andrewrobinson9497 3 місяці тому

    our government & others put profit before planet so cutting vehicle duty would slow down the ev adoption in the uk

  • @mikewallace8087
    @mikewallace8087 3 місяці тому

    The Vredefort asteroid impact caused much more damage to Earth' ecosystem than what humans could do. yes

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life 3 місяці тому

    Interesting that the shareholders would call for a moratorium (temporary) instead of an outright ban.

  • @matthewbaynham6286
    @matthewbaynham6286 3 місяці тому

    Well the batteries are not just used for EV's, but also stationary storage.
    So if more investments were made in technologies that don't use these minerals that would help, for example compressed air energy storage.

  • @rp9674
    @rp9674 3 місяці тому

    Better batteries, not bigger batteries. We're getting more fast charging, need to keep expanding level 2 especially, High amperage 48a or more. L2 is more reliable and cheaper. Expanded public charging would allow smaller battery vehicles. It's easier to fix Hardware than people's brains that want huge vehicles

  • @danielmadar9938
    @danielmadar9938 3 місяці тому

    Thanks

  • @williamlathan6932
    @williamlathan6932 3 місяці тому +3

    Please cover how all cobalt is used in global markets and the percentage that goes to batteries.

  • @lorenzoventura7701
    @lorenzoventura7701 3 місяці тому

    "Moratorium" is incorrect despite its wide usage, sorry :-) Thank you for this informative video.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  3 місяці тому +1

      We were using the term that was used by those calling for a ban on deep-sea mined materials ;)

    • @lorenzoventura7701
      @lorenzoventura7701 3 місяці тому +1

      @@transportevolved
      It is what it is, I noticed it just because some bits of latin passed in my native language. Friendly greetings from Italy.