Former EMT EMS employee for over a decade, at 10:21 don't move him at all unless he's not breathing. They could have paralyzed him for life or caused his death by moving him wrong. This would have been a very delicate rescue for professionals.
I've watched the particular video. The guy who crashed had no recollection of what happened when he woke up. He was just trying to "get himself out of here" and he was trying to do it so they thought that fighting him would be worse than just getting him out. As you can see he tries to walk and has no idea why he is laying on a tree and why his bike is in the bushes
Generally speeking, for a first responder i would totally agree. Yet every accident is different and so is every accident victim. The shitty footage of an action cam like this often leaves much to desire. If the patient is Counscious and his position is unbearable to a point where he could panic and hurt himself trying to fight it, you win nothing by letting him do that. your best chance is a fast Assessment (xabcde) and a very carful rescue with as many people as possible to avoid torsion as good as possible. A conscious Patient is (almost) always easier and safer to move than an uncounscious one. him wearing full leather of course makes it a little bit better. You also have to think about how to deal with the patient losing consciousness or even hitting cardiac arrest. You can´t semi-prone someone hanging in a tree and you can also not cpr such a person. So having a conscious accident victim out of the tree, and just as important out of his helmet, can really safe you from a lot of headache.
Dan, one thing I don't hear you mention that often is speed differential with other cars. One thing that always gives me a huge pucker factor is when I see riders, or cars, going way faster than the cars next to them. If I'm going 75mph on the interstate and I'm passing other cars that are going 70-73mph, its not a big deal since there is only a 2-5mph speed difference. I won't be caught off guard if someone cuts me off. Now if I'm going 50mph and there is a lane of cars next to me going 5-10mph, then I have much less time to react if someone decides to change lanes in front of me (cars finding the empty lane pattern). I see that scenario so many times in these clips and I think its worth noting and paying attention to while you're riding. Also, most people do not pay attention to anything that is not 20feet in front of them at any time. They also typically have no idea what is going on behind them (360 situational awareness). If you ride like everyone else has no idea you are there, I think a lot of these instances can be avoided before red or brown stage happens. If you actually pay attention to what goes on around you while you're driving your car every day, all these patterns that Dan points out really become instinctual.
0:12 no lights 2:10 low side 2:35 another low side 3:38 slow turn - fell into ditch 5:44 intersection accident (car turns left in front of biker 8:22 low side into tree (very lucky to be alive)
Found the guys clip. He does have headlights but shitty ones. Any time he entered a place with other light sources you can't see that he has lights. Like very dim lights. I hope he learns, and gets some better lights.
7:18 Full Sun at your back, just assume no oncoming traffic can see you. I live in AZ, crisp, clear. blinding sun, it hurts through your sunglasses. In your car you can't wait to make that left turn.
its really good to see these videos regularly because it is too easy to get complacent after riding without any close calls for a significant time. For me I can go many months without having a single close call incident and then bamm - out of nowhere have like two or three in a week.
I love watching thease videos, you really help and learn when it comes to self-awareness. This is really helpful and can help riders to prevent similar crashes. Thank you again for posting this.
I've had had one "real crash", in my first year of riding. Pretty much entirely my fault, came round a corner too fast, oncoming car slightly on the wrong side, I avoided it but got too close to the the verge and panic braked and flew over the front hard. Woke up stuck in a bush upside-down. Thankfully was always ATGATT and was mostly fine, much better rider since that and watching your videos ❤ Keep up the great work man wish I'd seen you sooner
I come from the single track in the rocky mountains dirt world. So when I get and Adventure bike, I couldn't understand the super aggressive back armor. In dirt it is generally speaking slower speed, and you roll typically. DanDan has shown me the importance of both kinetic and abrasive resistant back armor. The amount of street wrecks I have seen on this channel where the person yeets over the bars, lands on their back and/or slide 100 feet on their backs! I now have multiple solutions to a range of riding....which trying to find gear to protect you for 100 miles of pavement and 60 miles with Temps from 55 to 90 degrees AND wet/dry all in the same day is.....CHALLENGING....to say the least. Especially if you arent about to go drop $12,000 on gear and the luggage to pack it in.
I am the blue bike, Max and I didn’t want to touch him, but he wasn’t breathing well and could barely say get me up, that’s why we decided to pull him out. Also no pain reaction to us moving his body, legs etc. So we went for it. Luckily it ended well. Hope this helps. Thanks Dan love your stuff 👍🏼👍🏼
The car had to slow down, signal, and look before turning left. But it’s another example of what I should be looking out for. Neither the car nor the biker were looking.
I fell off my new Kawasaki last year coming out of someone's drive (I just overbalanced) and I got trapped by my boot heel, Couldn't get up, lift the bike or slide it off me, and i couldn't take the boot off. I just lay there (in no pain at all) wondering who I could phone in such a ridiculous situation (customer had already left) but after about 20 minutes a dog walker piped up 'Do you need some assistance down there?' and she helped me get up 🤦♂🤗
The Honda tree guy type of rider I don’t understand . Why ride like your on a track in such dangerous location ? Why not just enjoy the scenery with safe but fun speed not trying to show off ?
It's probably a speed thrill and sense of skill mastery to move around twistys quickly but I do agree with you that just enjoying the scenery and being in control of the bike is enough, at least for me.
I tore one of my quads doing squats and it refused to heal, for over a year useless doctors were telling me I had a hernia, hernia "specialist" sent me to a sports injury clinic, after being sent to him for the 3rd time
How would you handle the tree incident? I mean, hanging in a tree can actually kill you by limiting blood flow through the body but so can moving a broken femur.
At intersection with possible left turning car there are a few things you can check. Is the other driver making eye contact with you? Are the wheels turned or turning to the left in preparation for the turn? And most importantly, are the wheels rotating? I.e. the car is in motion.
Riding large capacity sports bikes on the twisties with like minded and similarly equipped mates looks a bit lethal. I prefer to admire the scenery that get physically intimate with it. 😮
It's why I go alone. Riding with others on sport bikes brings out a competitive nature that I believe is a huge contributing factor to people crashing on group rides.
12.14 suspected broken femur,I saw him move his legs himself. Accidents can look worse than it is, I turned my head away when I saw my pal sat with his legs straight out, I thought his trousers looked very flat , "oh god, a car has ran over his legs" but there was nothing wrong with his legs , he had broken collar bone and 2 ribs from a highside caused by accelerating on a wet manhole cover.😅
Tbh as a rider I know it's almost inevitable that a crash will occur at some given point the most important thing tho no matter what happens never panic much like they tell pilots no matter what happens just fly the damn plane only with a motorcycle no matter what happens do not panic smooth fluid motion is key with all components
15:00 can we lay in the recovery position,on one side , please, instead of sitting up. I don't do to good with heights at the best of times. Not coz I'm a snake, coz I enjoy sleeping.😴😂😂
@1:01 Where Dan was talking about he didn't think, well knew the rider didn't have no headlights because you don't see any headlight beam, you can tell Dan was right because the rider didn't have and dash lights and any riding lights on either because all the places where there should have been lights nothings on or lit up! @5:05 that looked terrifying, yea that was bad to roll off the head then the back but what really got him was the whipping action, he probably tucked his head as he hit and rolled down his back but the legs probably whipped straight down and probably or had to have torn or broken something, Ouch! Why is it when we hurt a part on our bodies our first reaction is to try and move? @11:35 Was that his clutch lever in the tree? You know they had to, I'm guessing the price here, cut his $500 suit off and about $300 boots, $400 helmet off with that horrible crash and by the looks you can't tell if his hip was just bent or was out of socket!
You were unusually a bit off on this vid. Maybe it was the angle , but that’s flexion of the hip not a deformity, you can see it from the other angle he’s taken the tree to the gut.. see from 11.00. He was very “lucky” though, other than that good analysis of what you should look for and how it impacts risk assessment. Also clip 1 the rider had lights you can see the beam pattern i.e. the light projecting to the side.didn’t look very good though! Re the shadow, you can still be cast from the lights from the vehicle behind it doesn’t mean you don’t have lights it’s just the persons behind is stronger, cant say I’ve ever noticed on a motorcycle, but i have decent lights on my MTB and road bikes and other riders with brighter lights behind or cars plunges what is in front of you into darkness so you can’t see the trail, potholes etc. - it’s a thing. Also it’s very difficult to judge the speed and distance of a bike at night because it only has one light, bit easier with a car as they have 2 lights which appear to get further apart as you get closer, and you obvs don’t get the same effect from a single light.
The rider from 3:30 minutes who fell in the ditch. He was in too high a gear and stalled the bike. He didn’t feather the clutch, thus locked up the rear wheel, had no control so dropped it. If he’d pulled the clutch in he’d of rounded the corner easily.
@@hulkhatepunybanner I don't know if that shines them in a better or worse light... no pun intended. Did they not think "oh, I don't have lights anymore and it's getting dark out, this may be too dangerous to ride at night"?
6:31 - I´ve never been in any kind of accident with a motorcycle. Why would I even want to wear gear, it´s only gonna get in my way! Well, I still do! I wear a full-face helmet, gloves and a suit of all the armor available to me! Because I don´t want to be that guy in the neighbourhood without a jaw. Or the numbnut that limps because of a stupid failure to wear leg protection when I was 16 and got my first bike. Hit a car in the first intersection, and now I can´t use my leg properly for the rest of my life! Yeah, sounds really smart now, doesn´t it?
Pretty much. Although a fuse being out can black out your dash like that regardless of if your lights are on or not, there is clearly no light coming from the front of his bike. That's what I was looking for, which wasn't there at all regardless. Either way, even if there was a system failure he still shouldn't have been on the road like that.
11:50 - well, he might be able to move, if the femur wasn´t out of position. After a crash like that, he´d be off his tits on whatever drugs his body could produce to make him work at the moment. Structural integrity is not a big thing, if the bone lines up well enough, it´s gonna carry the load, and if his body is mostly sedated naturally, then he can move. Simple as that....
i wish ppl didnt pick people up or help them get up. LEAVE THEM ALONE! infact try and convince them not to move!! I had some guy fall off a cliff and bounce all the way down and land at my feet at the bottom. i was having to scream at people DONT TOUCH HIM. some people were ignoring me and i had to push one of them (not hard) and yell dont touch him. Lucky I did because the guy had spinal injuries... FFS ppl. Do Not Touch People in high impact crashes where their body took the impact.
Apparently he came to in the tree and started fighting it trying to get out himself. In that situation you would have no choice but to remove them. They should definitely have gotten him to lie down though instead of letting him stand and try and move around.
Bike accidents suffer brain injury because you are going say 60 mph and this guy stops by hitting a tree and the brain has a sudden stop which can burst blood vessels
Riding a motorcycle at night without lights is insanely stupid. Now he found out.
Watched the motostars video, and he said that the rider stated that only his dash lights weren't working and he had head lights. I don't believe that
FAFO
Its darwin award for sure!!
Looks like his headlights are reflected in the back of the car in front of him before the separation and crash.
nor rear view mirrors my man
Former EMT EMS employee for over a decade, at 10:21 don't move him at all unless he's not breathing. They could have paralyzed him for life or caused his death by moving him wrong. This would have been a very delicate rescue for professionals.
I've watched the particular video. The guy who crashed had no recollection of what happened when he woke up. He was just trying to "get himself out of here" and he was trying to do it so they thought that fighting him would be worse than just getting him out. As you can see he tries to walk and has no idea why he is laying on a tree and why his bike is in the bushes
Generally speeking, for a first responder i would totally agree. Yet every accident is different and so is every accident victim. The shitty footage of an action cam like this often leaves much to desire. If the patient is Counscious and his position is unbearable to a point where he could panic and hurt himself trying to fight it, you win nothing by letting him do that. your best chance is a fast Assessment (xabcde) and a very carful rescue with as many people as possible to avoid torsion as good as possible. A conscious Patient is (almost) always easier and safer to move than an uncounscious one. him wearing full leather of course makes it a little bit better.
You also have to think about how to deal with the patient losing consciousness or even hitting cardiac arrest. You can´t semi-prone someone hanging in a tree and you can also not cpr such a person. So having a conscious accident victim out of the tree, and just as important out of his helmet, can really safe you from a lot of headache.
In the Philippines, their gear consists of flipflops and shorts.
South America also!!!
Dan, one thing I don't hear you mention that often is speed differential with other cars. One thing that always gives me a huge pucker factor is when I see riders, or cars, going way faster than the cars next to them. If I'm going 75mph on the interstate and I'm passing other cars that are going 70-73mph, its not a big deal since there is only a 2-5mph speed difference. I won't be caught off guard if someone cuts me off. Now if I'm going 50mph and there is a lane of cars next to me going 5-10mph, then I have much less time to react if someone decides to change lanes in front of me (cars finding the empty lane pattern). I see that scenario so many times in these clips and I think its worth noting and paying attention to while you're riding.
Also, most people do not pay attention to anything that is not 20feet in front of them at any time. They also typically have no idea what is going on behind them (360 situational awareness). If you ride like everyone else has no idea you are there, I think a lot of these instances can be avoided before red or brown stage happens. If you actually pay attention to what goes on around you while you're driving your car every day, all these patterns that Dan points out really become instinctual.
If someone writes timestamps, I'll pin the comment and add to the description.
0:12 no lights
2:10 low side
2:35 another low side
3:38 slow turn - fell into ditch
5:44 intersection accident (car turns left in front of biker
8:22 low side into tree (very lucky to be alive)
Apparently the first clip he did have headlights and only his dash lights weren't working.
Found the guys clip. He does have headlights but shitty ones. Any time he entered a place with other light sources you can't see that he has lights. Like very dim lights. I hope he learns, and gets some better lights.
7:18 Full Sun at your back, just assume no oncoming traffic can see you. I live in AZ, crisp, clear. blinding sun, it hurts through your sunglasses. In your car you can't wait to make that left turn.
its really good to see these videos regularly because it is too easy to get complacent after riding without any close calls for a significant time. For me I can go many months without having a single close call incident and then bamm - out of nowhere have like two or three in a week.
Ditch scorpion guy….. sounded like he may have forgot to down shift and may have either stalled it or bogged it so hard he fell over.
Exactly. You can hear it chugging and almost stall. Not just a simple bump.
That first guy, I agree, the headlights were off
I love watching thease videos, you really help and learn when it comes to self-awareness. This is really helpful and can help riders to prevent similar crashes. Thank you again for posting this.
I've had had one "real crash", in my first year of riding. Pretty much entirely my fault, came round a corner too fast, oncoming car slightly on the wrong side, I avoided it but got too close to the the verge and panic braked and flew over the front hard. Woke up stuck in a bush upside-down. Thankfully was always ATGATT and was mostly fine, much better rider since that and watching your videos ❤ Keep up the great work man wish I'd seen you sooner
I come from the single track in the rocky mountains dirt world. So when I get and Adventure bike, I couldn't understand the super aggressive back armor.
In dirt it is generally speaking slower speed, and you roll typically.
DanDan has shown me the importance of both kinetic and abrasive resistant back armor. The amount of street wrecks I have seen on this channel where the person yeets over the bars, lands on their back and/or slide 100 feet on their backs!
I now have multiple solutions to a range of riding....which trying to find gear to protect you for 100 miles of pavement and 60 miles with Temps from 55 to 90 degrees AND wet/dry all in the same day is.....CHALLENGING....to say the least. Especially if you arent about to go drop $12,000 on gear and the luggage to pack it in.
I am the blue bike, Max and I didn’t want to touch him, but he wasn’t breathing well and could barely say get me up, that’s why we decided to pull him out. Also no pain reaction to us moving his body, legs etc. So we went for it. Luckily it ended well. Hope this helps.
Thanks Dan love your stuff 👍🏼👍🏼
The car had to slow down, signal, and look before turning left. But it’s another example of what I should be looking out for. Neither the car nor the biker were looking.
6:48 - anyone NOT responding to what stage we´re in - You´re automatically in brown stage, and you need to change your pants!
I fell off my new Kawasaki last year coming out of someone's drive (I just overbalanced) and I got trapped by my boot heel, Couldn't get up, lift the bike or slide it off me, and i couldn't take the boot off.
I just lay there (in no pain at all) wondering who I could phone in such a ridiculous situation (customer had already left) but after about 20 minutes a dog walker piped up 'Do you need some assistance down there?' and she helped me get up 🤦♂🤗
That tree clip is a good teaching clip of what not to do and what should have been done.
10:48 Wow, he hit that tree hard enough to nearly split it over. It's incredible he could get up
The Honda tree guy type of rider I don’t understand . Why ride like your on a track in such dangerous location ? Why not just enjoy the scenery with safe but fun speed not trying to show off ?
It's probably a speed thrill and sense of skill mastery to move around twistys quickly but I do agree with you that just enjoying the scenery and being in control of the bike is enough, at least for me.
I tore one of my quads doing squats and it refused to heal, for over a year useless doctors were telling me I had a hernia, hernia "specialist" sent me to a sports injury clinic, after being sent to him for the 3rd time
Long shadows at an intersection mean that half the car drivers can see you Great, and half the car drivers have sun in their eyes.
It looks like the dude without the headlight is also wearing a dark, maybe black jacket. If he was going for invisibility, he succeeded. Well done.
How would you handle the tree incident?
I mean, hanging in a tree can actually kill you by limiting blood flow through the body but so can moving a broken femur.
That guy that hit the tree is apparently part gumby. His leg did not look like it was in the normal orientation, yet....not broken.
At intersection with possible left turning car there are a few things you can check. Is the other driver making eye contact with you? Are the wheels turned or turning to the left in preparation for the turn? And most importantly, are the wheels rotating? I.e. the car is in motion.
Riding large capacity sports bikes on the twisties with like minded and similarly equipped mates looks a bit lethal. I prefer to admire the scenery that get physically intimate with it. 😮
It's why I go alone. Riding with others on sport bikes brings out a competitive nature that I believe is a huge contributing factor to people crashing on group rides.
They did say he has lights in the front but the dash is out
12.14 suspected broken femur,I saw him move his legs himself. Accidents can look worse than it is, I turned my head away when I saw my pal sat with his legs straight out, I thought his trousers looked very flat , "oh god, a car has ran over his legs" but there was nothing wrong with his legs , he had broken collar bone and 2 ribs from a highside caused by accelerating on a wet manhole cover.😅
i get these bouts of ''i want a bike'' then these sort of videos pop up and i forget about it for 6 months
Damn, that first one was super scary
Responsibly wrody was riding with Max risk that day risk posted it on his UA-cam channel
Tbh as a rider I know it's almost inevitable that a crash will occur at some given point the most important thing tho no matter what happens never panic much like they tell pilots no matter what happens just fly the damn plane only with a motorcycle no matter what happens do not panic smooth fluid motion is key with all components
So you can show initiation of crash and the aftermath but impact with the ground is off limits?
I don't blur this. Motostars or whoever created it does
15:00 can we lay in the recovery position,on one side , please, instead of sitting up. I don't do to good with heights at the best of times. Not coz I'm a snake, coz I enjoy sleeping.😴😂😂
I'm sorry, I'm not from the US but in the first clip the car passed the double lines on the ground. Anywhere in Europe that is completely illegal.
Is blurring out the crash a choice to get a larger audience?
@1:01 Where Dan was talking about he didn't think, well knew the rider didn't have no headlights because you don't see any headlight beam, you can tell Dan was right because the rider didn't have and dash lights and any riding lights on either because all the places where there should have been lights nothings on or lit up!
@5:05 that looked terrifying, yea that was bad to roll off the head then the back but what really got him was the whipping action, he probably tucked his head as he hit and rolled down his back but the legs probably whipped straight down and probably or had to have torn or broken something, Ouch! Why is it when we hurt a part on our bodies our first reaction is to try and move?
@11:35 Was that his clutch lever in the tree? You know they had to, I'm guessing the price here, cut his $500 suit off and about $300 boots, $400 helmet off with that horrible crash and by the looks you can't tell if his hip was just bent or was out of socket!
16:53
I know C4 when I see it
Yellow bike with the sun behind them in an intersection? Yeah that driver couldnt see him.
First? Ive learned so much from your commentary and analysis. Thank you for that!
I don't even understand how or why that one guy fell in the ditch.
this the best anti bike advertisement you can get on the internet
You were unusually a bit off on this vid. Maybe it was the angle , but that’s flexion of the hip not a deformity, you can see it from the other angle he’s taken the tree to the gut.. see from 11.00. He was very “lucky” though, other than that good analysis of what you should look for and how it impacts risk assessment. Also clip 1 the rider had lights you can see the beam pattern i.e. the light projecting to the side.didn’t look very good though! Re the shadow, you can still be cast from the lights from the vehicle behind it doesn’t mean you don’t have lights it’s just the persons behind is stronger, cant say I’ve ever noticed on a motorcycle, but i have decent lights on my MTB and road bikes and other riders with brighter lights behind or cars plunges what is in front of you into darkness so you can’t see the trail, potholes etc. - it’s a thing. Also it’s very difficult to judge the speed and distance of a bike at night because it only has one light, bit easier with a car as they have 2 lights which appear to get further apart as you get closer, and you obvs don’t get the same effect from a single light.
Not just use your lights - but check that they all function.
The rider from 3:30 minutes who fell in the ditch.
He was in too high a gear and stalled the bike. He didn’t feather the clutch, thus locked up the rear wheel, had no control so dropped it. If he’d pulled the clutch in he’d of rounded the corner easily.
you can see his lights just underneath his gauge cluster
actually that might be cars
The Guage cluster was off too
I think what little there is, is a reflection off the plastic from lights behind the rider
*The front end was missing. As if he was going home from another accident.*
@@hulkhatepunybanner I don't know if that shines them in a better or worse light... no pun intended. Did they not think "oh, I don't have lights anymore and it's getting dark out, this may be too dangerous to ride at night"?
It can't be legal not to have lights in the US...
I can assure you it is definitely not legal
6:31 - I´ve never been in any kind of accident with a motorcycle. Why would I even want to wear gear, it´s only gonna get in my way! Well, I still do! I wear a full-face helmet, gloves and a suit of all the armor available to me! Because I don´t want to be that guy in the neighbourhood without a jaw. Or the numbnut that limps because of a stupid failure to wear leg protection when I was 16 and got my first bike. Hit a car in the first intersection, and now I can´t use my leg properly for the rest of my life! Yeah, sounds really smart now, doesn´t it?
His clocks would be illuminated if his headlights were on -.- Zoinks.
Pretty much. Although a fuse being out can black out your dash like that regardless of if your lights are on or not, there is clearly no light coming from the front of his bike. That's what I was looking for, which wasn't there at all regardless. Either way, even if there was a system failure he still shouldn't have been on the road like that.
Vicky needs her hands on the grips heading into intersections..
so we are not going to talk about also not having rear mirrors in the first video okay....
11:50 - well, he might be able to move, if the femur wasn´t out of position. After a crash like that, he´d be off his tits on whatever drugs his body could produce to make him work at the moment. Structural integrity is not a big thing, if the bone lines up well enough, it´s gonna carry the load, and if his body is mostly sedated naturally, then he can move. Simple as that....
i wish ppl didnt pick people up or help them get up. LEAVE THEM ALONE! infact try and convince them not to move!! I had some guy fall off a cliff and bounce all the way down and land at my feet at the bottom. i was having to scream at people DONT TOUCH HIM. some people were ignoring me and i had to push one of them (not hard) and yell dont touch him. Lucky I did because the guy had spinal injuries... FFS ppl. Do Not Touch People in high impact crashes where their body took the impact.
Apparently he came to in the tree and started fighting it trying to get out himself. In that situation you would have no choice but to remove them. They should definitely have gotten him to lie down though instead of letting him stand and try and move around.
Bike accidents suffer brain injury because you are going say 60 mph and this guy stops by hitting a tree and the brain has a sudden stop which can burst blood vessels