This would be really good as a mini-series, it would be somewhat ruined as a livestream I think given people would be constantly chipping in with suggestions and half the joy is seeing you work it out.
I second this. It looks to be a lovely puzzle game, and certainly one better suited as a series than a livestream, at least as I would enjoy watching it.
I mean, having grown up in an atheist household I haven't made that connection because that story isn't really present in my brain. Probably something similar with Jon. Or it's just his usual Jon-nes.
Jon may not be perceptive but he can definitely put pieces together /s. Would love to see a mini-series on this. (Not a live stream, it'd take away from him vocalizing his inner monolog and thought process, I fear)
I think it's fascinating that Jon used to study ancient languages---something that no doubt requires keen powers of observation and the ability to focus.
You've done about 1/4 maybe 1/4.5 of the game, and each city level has a unique language with its own twists, and people with their own culture, which means there's still plenty of fun stuff ahead, and the puzzles are good (when they don't involve stealth). You can wrap it up in a 4 or 5 part mini series, and that sounds like a great idea. Please Jon, we love you being nerdy about history or linguistics.
Would love to see this game back as a little series. It is refreshing to see something technical and other than history where John actually knows what he is talking about.
I would honestly love to see this as a mini-series on the channel. As some other people have said, I feel like a livestream might ruin the enjoyment and exploration of the game by giving too many suggestions or that sort of thing.
Having watched a full playthrough and a half of this game, I agree that the stealth aspect really distracts from the game's strong areas. Also, you understood what those pictures were meant to convey SO much faster than the other two people I've watched play this.
This. This I could really get behind and might pick up myself. It's a real neat way to feed the player lore, having them piece together in world languages.
Adding to the chorus asking for a mini-series (but not livestream -- I agree that people couldn't help but kibitz)! Jon, you've a flair for this; you twigged to some aspects of the devotee's language much more quickly than anyone else I've seen play this!
37:10 Funny thing about that is, higher up the Tower, you can find part of a symbol from that language that isn't in those four-dozen words you learned, but follows the same logical structure - which implies that what you learn isn't the fully extent of the language, but enough to guess any other word from it.
I absolutely adore this game and I find it so *fascinating* how you work through the language and how you see the connecting points. I would love to see you tackle the rest of the game on here and see how you handle those
This is totally making me thing of that STNG episode where Picard is put on a planet with a potential enemy and they have to learn to communicate. ETA: SO5EP2 “Darmok” as in “Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra”.
This is a fantastic concept that is a little over my head to play but looks like it would be a brilliant miniseries from you... plus it helps prove you don't have -1 perception.
happened to get and finish this game this week, after coming across it on a primarily soduku channel. Very nice game you can probably finish 100% in 4-6 hrs.
I would love to see more of this! Not as a livestream though because I worry people would ruin it. The game kind of feels distantly related to heavens vault which was another amazing linguistics game that you played.
I would love to see more of this game, I was completely hooked and saying what I thought the language meant as the video went along. Said "maybe that means "lens" at the same time, felt great when that was shown to be correct.
I couldn't put this game down when I played it last month, I have a feeling this would be something you'd really enjoy. It's so satisfying when you finally get a translation 😊
It'd be amusing if this game had a dedicated Discord server where all the custom emoji were the words from this game. Watching people have conversations in this fictional language would be interesting.
So funnily enough my spouse and I finished this game 1-2 days ago, but we couldnt help but note that this may be the first time we have seen Jon play a game first pass and do quite well!
This game really appeals to me, it was a lot of fun to watch. Sadly I can't play it as I have Linux not Windows. So I'd love to see more of this game on the channel!
Honestly, part of me actually *doesn't* want Jon to make a series of this, because as a fellow linguistics nerd I am so putting this on my wishlist, and I don't know if I'd be able to resist the temptation of watching the videos before finishing the game myself.
I would absolutely love to see a series of this. Not a live stream though. Too many back seaters. Also the prospect of another series where jon gives us a ton of history lessons and such is ALWAYS welcomed.
I've been wanting more of Jon and language games since Heaven's Vault. I'd love to see more of this! Plus one to what a lot of the comments are saying about this probably being better suited to a miniseries than a livestream.
I don’t think I could watch anyone play this and enjoy it more than a real life linguist who is my UA-cam gamer. Please bring it back as a mini series! I agree with the comments that watching Jon work it out himself is so much better than a livestream.
Very interesting; the language seems to take cues from Japanese Kanji - there's a base set of Kanji that are for basic ideas, like "tree" or person", but you combine simplified or compacted versions of those to form other Kanji; as an example, the Kanji for "rest" is the one for "tree" on the left, and the one for "person" on the right, like a person resting against a tree!
This is one of those vids I abandon less than halfway through because the game looks so interesting I don't want to have it spoiled :D Thanks for bringing this to my attention: as a Linguistics major I'm very excited to try this
this is a conveniently similar writing system :) Having learned a little bit about Cuneiform, mostly from Irving Finkel, (like the talk on the Royal Institution channel), it is a LOT less convenient. No breaks between words, signs can be (different!) words or sounds AND the other way around... it is completely unlike "normal" alphabetical languages or grammar. Which makes the fact that people have figured it out absolutely amazing.
Jon, you might be interested in Toki Pona if you don't already know what it is. Basically, a linguist wanted to simplify her thinking so she invented a language with only 14 phonemes and about 200 recognized words.
Pre video comment: Hope this is better than "Heaven's Vault". There were a lot of issues with that game (poor camera angles, flying about subtitles that you can easily miss, clunky controls, dissociative responses to dialogue, that sort of thing) that killed my initial interest and enthusiasm to play.
@@juliajs1752 Yup, had that myself in the very early village area. Went to explore and clicked on the ship due to clunky controls, and no way to cancel or return to that location. That is what got me to refund it.
I've studied Mandarin for many years, and I love that the words in this game are built using the same logic as Chinese characters. I feel that the language in the game was at least partly inspired by the Chinese language. For example, almost all personal pronouns in Chinese start with the "man" radical, just like we see here. And sometimes characters make sense visually (for instance, put the "human" character inside a square, and you get the word for "prisoner"). In many cases, it's even possible to make a plural form by doubling a single-character word like they do in the game (or once again, it makes logical characters: two trees form the word "forest", for example). Sorry, it's difficult for me to stop once I get going talking about linguistics, languages, or translation. It was my field of study back in university, but there aren't enough people around me who I can talk to about this stuff. Obviously, I would really like to see this game return to the channel.
What an amazing game! Linguistics as entertainment is so unique. I say: Live stream may be required! Edit: By the way, amazing linguistic skills, Jon. :)
This looks pretty neat, although as far as language games go Heaven's Vault might be a touch better in that department since you eventually do read an entire book in that language...
This would be really good as a mini-series, it would be somewhat ruined as a livestream I think given people would be constantly chipping in with suggestions and half the joy is seeing you work it out.
I second this. It looks to be a lovely puzzle game, and certainly one better suited as a series than a livestream, at least as I would enjoy watching it.
Super agreed.
I'm also for this!
Yes, please
Could do it as an emote only livestream, that way no one can spoil the solution nor backseat.
Jon looking at the tower of Babble and calling it the city of the sun is peak Jon.
Babel.
In a game about language it might actually be babble
I won't spoil but the story is rather obviously is inspired by the Tower of Babel myth.
I mean, having grown up in an atheist household I haven't made that connection because that story isn't really present in my brain. Probably something similar with Jon.
Or it's just his usual Jon-nes.
Jon may not be perceptive but he can definitely put pieces together /s. Would love to see a mini-series on this. (Not a live stream, it'd take away from him vocalizing his inner monolog and thought process, I fear)
Can we have this as a series? (Not a livestream!)
Bring this back please, very enjoyable
I think it's fascinating that Jon used to study ancient languages---something that no doubt requires keen powers of observation and the ability to focus.
i love that deeply athmospheric linguistic puzzle games are a thing that exists
You've done about 1/4 maybe 1/4.5 of the game, and each city level has a unique language with its own twists, and people with their own culture, which means there's still plenty of fun stuff ahead, and the puzzles are good (when they don't involve stealth). You can wrap it up in a 4 or 5 part mini series, and that sounds like a great idea. Please Jon, we love you being nerdy about history or linguistics.
Would love to see this game back as a little series. It is refreshing to see something technical and other than history where John actually knows what he is talking about.
I would honestly love to see this as a mini-series on the channel. As some other people have said, I feel like a livestream might ruin the enjoyment and exploration of the game by giving too many suggestions or that sort of thing.
Having watched a full playthrough and a half of this game, I agree that the stealth aspect really distracts from the game's strong areas. Also, you understood what those pictures were meant to convey SO much faster than the other two people I've watched play this.
+1 of seeing a mini series of this game! It's incredibly charming and the language puzzles are fun.
This. This I could really get behind and might pick up myself. It's a real neat way to feed the player lore, having them piece together in world languages.
Adding to the chorus asking for a mini-series (but not livestream -- I agree that people couldn't help but kibitz)! Jon, you've a flair for this; you twigged to some aspects of the devotee's language much more quickly than anyone else I've seen play this!
I really hope he makes this a series it's so interesting watching him try to work it out and actually getting close.
37:10 Funny thing about that is, higher up the Tower, you can find part of a symbol from that language that isn't in those four-dozen words you learned, but follows the same logical structure - which implies that what you learn isn't the fully extent of the language, but enough to guess any other word from it.
Linguistics my beloved!
I love these videos like this, where Jon doesn't pretend to be goofy and silly, but actually shows his real competence. It's pleasure to watch.
Now who said Jon can't be both goofy and silly *and* competent, at least in certain areas?
Absolutely fascinating watching somebody who knows what they're doing deconstruct a language. Would be really excited to see more of this.
I absolutely adore this game and I find it so *fascinating* how you work through the language and how you see the connecting points. I would love to see you tackle the rest of the game on here and see how you handle those
This is totally making me thing of that STNG episode where Picard is put on a planet with a potential enemy and they have to learn to communicate.
ETA: SO5EP2 “Darmok” as in “Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra”.
I would love for this series to be continued, such an interesting and engaging experience! Love Jon's language nerddom shining through as well.
I have been waiting for you to play this, it seems perfect for you
Would love to see the next chapter of this, tbh
This is a fantastic concept that is a little over my head to play but looks like it would be a brilliant miniseries from you... plus it helps prove you don't have -1 perception.
I was enjoying Jon's excitement. would like to see more of this.
happened to get and finish this game this week, after coming across it on a primarily soduku channel. Very nice game you can probably finish 100% in 4-6 hrs.
...unless you are primarily a soduku channel 😅
I almost skipped the video because I thought it was a CtC stream.
id love to see this as a mini series, i would also love to see more mass effect 3 on the channel as we haven't had much
yes, more of this please! Jon talking about linguistics is amazing!
Thank you for making this video, i watched the first 5 minutes, and i don't want any more info. I will definitely play this :D
I would love to see more of this! Not as a livestream though because I worry people would ruin it. The game kind of feels distantly related to heavens vault which was another amazing linguistics game that you played.
Hope this gets a series instead of a livestream. Feel like chat would detract from the experience.
Yay, I *just* downloaded the demo. Thanks for demo-ing more diligently! It does remind me of Heaven's Vault!
Always a good day when a language puzzle game gets attention.
I would love to see more of this game, I was completely hooked and saying what I thought the language meant as the video went along. Said "maybe that means "lens" at the same time, felt great when that was shown to be correct.
Yes more! This game is so good and you've caught onto the flow of it super quickly! This was fun and I'd love to see you go through the whole thing!
Love the aesthetic! This could very easily be part of the same world as Sable. Really gives me those vibes.
This is actually one of the most fun games to watch you in particular play in a very long time. I wish youd make it a full run!
I couldn't put this game down when I played it last month, I have a feeling this would be something you'd really enjoy. It's so satisfying when you finally get a translation 😊
I like this! Watching you work out the solutions is very entertaining! I would like to see more of this! Great Video!
I absolutely love the look of this! Please play more of this!
12:46 "you help me me"... That "person" might be three rats in a trench coat, be careful, Jon
It'd be amusing if this game had a dedicated Discord server where all the custom emoji were the words from this game. Watching people have conversations in this fictional language would be interesting.
So funnily enough my spouse and I finished this game 1-2 days ago, but we couldnt help but note that this may be the first time we have seen Jon play a game first pass and do quite well!
More of this please!!! I love these sort of puzzle-y games and linguistics.
This game really appeals to me, it was a lot of fun to watch. Sadly I can't play it as I have Linux not Windows. So I'd love to see more of this game on the channel!
Looks brilliant, please do a series!
Honestly, part of me actually *doesn't* want Jon to make a series of this, because as a fellow linguistics nerd I am so putting this on my wishlist, and I don't know if I'd be able to resist the temptation of watching the videos before finishing the game myself.
I loved playing this game so much, it surprised me and I think it's one of my favourites this year.
Another vote for a mini series here. Currently making my way through this game and ≥ it. (sorry).
I'm definitely going to want to buy things. I should probably do it soon if you're doing a livestream so all the puzzles don't get spoiled. 😁
This as a mini-series is all I want for christmas
Oh- I know this game! This is absolutely Jon's thing!
Oooooohhhh I like this one. I'd love to see it through
I would absolutely love to see a series of this. Not a live stream though. Too many back seaters.
Also the prospect of another series where jon gives us a ton of history lessons and such is ALWAYS welcomed.
Please continue this game. Can’t wait to see what you get up to
I've been wanting more of Jon and language games since Heaven's Vault. I'd love to see more of this! Plus one to what a lot of the comments are saying about this probably being better suited to a miniseries than a livestream.
I just got the platinum trophy for this game. It is really cool. You should definitely continue playing it, Jon!
I don’t think I could watch anyone play this and enjoy it more than a real life linguist who is my UA-cam gamer. Please bring it back as a mini series! I agree with the comments that watching Jon work it out himself is so much better than a livestream.
I adored this, a small series would be perfect I think!
This looks cool! And others said, half the fun is watching how you figure out the words/puzzles. Would be nice as a series.
Very interesting; the language seems to take cues from Japanese Kanji - there's a base set of Kanji that are for basic ideas, like "tree" or person", but you combine simplified or compacted versions of those to form other Kanji; as an example, the Kanji for "rest" is the one for "tree" on the left, and the one for "person" on the right, like a person resting against a tree!
I'd love to watch more of this. It tickled parts of my brain similar to when I did cryptography puzzles.
Top shelf content as always Jon, please lets make this a series 😍
This is a game that the moment I heard about. I was just waiting for you to play it.
Oh, I had been thinking this would be perfect for John, I would love for this to be a little miniseries.
This is one of those vids I abandon less than halfway through because the game looks so interesting I don't want to have it spoiled :D Thanks for bringing this to my attention: as a Linguistics major I'm very excited to try this
Oh finally. When I first saw this game ages ago I thought this was the most MATN bait game ever made
Finished this game today and it was great!
My BIL is a translator. He speaks like seven languages.
My favorite part of this game might be the card game in the first area. Its such a clever way to convey the answer of certain words to the player
this is a conveniently similar writing system :)
Having learned a little bit about Cuneiform, mostly from Irving Finkel, (like the talk on the Royal Institution channel), it is a LOT less convenient. No breaks between words, signs can be (different!) words or sounds AND the other way around... it is completely unlike "normal" alphabetical languages or grammar.
Which makes the fact that people have figured it out absolutely amazing.
Well Jon you may have terrible Perception skills but you have High Speechcraft skills.
What a gem. More, please.
Jon, you might be interested in Toki Pona if you don't already know what it is. Basically, a linguist wanted to simplify her thinking so she invented a language with only 14 phonemes and about 200 recognized words.
Great game! I'd love to see you finish it
I'd love to see this return as a miniseries!
More of this please!
I love some more of this!
Yes,
Yes Jon I am interested in a series of this
do a series, i think series are much more interesting than streams
Am I the only one who thinks this game would be fun to play without using the book to confirm your definitions are correct?
please do a complete playthrough
Lots of fun. Heaven's Vault is also good for a translation game 😁
Pre video comment: Hope this is better than "Heaven's Vault". There were a lot of issues with that game (poor camera angles, flying about subtitles that you can easily miss, clunky controls, dissociative responses to dialogue, that sort of thing) that killed my initial interest and enthusiasm to play.
What angered me in Heaven's Vault was that you could accidentally leave an area and not return to it and miss out on parts of the story!
@@juliajs1752 Yup, had that myself in the very early village area.
Went to explore and clicked on the ship due to clunky controls, and no way to cancel or return to that location.
That is what got me to refund it.
I've studied Mandarin for many years, and I love that the words in this game are built using the same logic as Chinese characters. I feel that the language in the game was at least partly inspired by the Chinese language. For example, almost all personal pronouns in Chinese start with the "man" radical, just like we see here. And sometimes characters make sense visually (for instance, put the "human" character inside a square, and you get the word for "prisoner"). In many cases, it's even possible to make a plural form by doubling a single-character word like they do in the game (or once again, it makes logical characters: two trees form the word "forest", for example).
Sorry, it's difficult for me to stop once I get going talking about linguistics, languages, or translation. It was my field of study back in university, but there aren't enough people around me who I can talk to about this stuff. Obviously, I would really like to see this game return to the channel.
There are multiple languages in this video, and they have been inspired by a few different real world languages.
the ending slide really should have been a link to the heaven's vault video
Loved it!
Good game for a chill stream, maybe?
What an amazing game! Linguistics as entertainment is so unique. I say: Live stream may be required!
Edit: By the way, amazing linguistic skills, Jon. :)
Oh no! This is one of the games I see explained and then have to go and get in the first ten minutes instead of watching the video
I would love more videos of this game
This reminds me of Heaven's Vault - another phenomenal game about translating an old script
Livestream this please, linguistics game is so perfect for this channel
Jon is a linguistic? I wonder what thinks of the movie Arrival.
This looks pretty neat, although as far as language games go Heaven's Vault might be a touch better in that department since you eventually do read an entire book in that language...
Please look into Heavens Vault, a very similar language puzzle game but with an awesome overarching complex mystery.
Now I have to go back and watch Jon try Heaven's Vault, to compare translation games. How could you do this to me, Jon?
Did you not even try to pet the cat outside the church? You monster.
You're not even going to greet the cat on the dirt pile in the garden?
This game's theme can be summed up in a single word: Babel